Having a great female golfer, with swing speed relatable to most of men amateurs makes so much sense, a ton more than those other reviews with swing speeds of 110mph… great review, thanks!
Agree- but I'd also like to see a counterpart video where players (male or female) are hitting these drivers with close to 100-105mph clubhead speed. I don't play know many golfers who only hit their drives 216/235. This def appeals to SOME, but not a majority.
Really like seeing the comparison of these 2 drivers by someone with a similar swing speed to my own. I gain a much clearer understanding of what their potential cold be more me.
Great to have Bella out here to be super consistent to show differences between clubs. She's so consistent you can show the club differences not attributable to strike differences.
I went in the fitting for callaway ai smoke and ping, end up walking out with regular qi 10. My swing speed is right at 100mph but with my extreme inside out path( 5-8*) I needed something has more spin to keep the ball in the air longer. Also anything with draw bias will not work with my swing, my fitter had a 12* head turned down to 10*, which open the face up to 4* to counter my big draw, sometimes duck hook. From hitting my old stealth 9* driver 50-60ft high averaged 200-220 carry to now 90-100ft high and 230-245 carry. It is amazing how important the correct fitting will do to your game!
I can say for myself from a fitting and from the content I've seen that these two drivers, aside from the 10k MOI claim/brand, are not actually direct competitors. In the Qi10 Max, Taylormade have maxed out forgiveness across the face in the traditional way we've seen: weight back, stretched out, low CG, super high MOI. But for speedy players, super high spin. In many ways, they're claiming to have maxed out the max approach to the modern 460cc driver. Ping are up to something different. They've also maxed forgiveness across the face, also moved the weight back, also stretched it out, also v low CG. But the other thing Ping have done, and you'll see in results...they've managed to reduce spin from their Max driver while doing so. G430 10k is super forgiving, launches high, but spins low relative to G430Max, and mid relative to G430 LST. Low on the face, the G430 Max 10k kills the excess spin with additional loft, and doesn't twist. High on the face, the spin kicks up, and doesn't twist. So your low spinny misses spin less and stay on line, and the high toe-y long left ball spins a bit more and holds its line longer. I hit the 10k all over the face and my spin was between 1900-2800. And the dispersion circle was tight. I hit the taylormade to the moon on shots in the middle of the face, and low on the face. The TM high on the face ball kicks down the spin and goes a mile. I think a good fitter can turn the LST or the Max into a high launch mid-spin monster. But the 10k can achieve the closest thing to these launch conditions out of the box.
Great feedback and thanks for watching! Excellent analysis. When we visited PING to review the 10K driver, we worked with master fitter James Lee and he mentioned the 10K is a blend of the G430 Max and G430 LST. From that perspective, it’s not necessarily aimed at the same demographic as the Qi10 Max. We just thought, since these are the two drivers pushing that 10,000 MOI message that we’d compare them. Both excellent in their specific ways!
@@2ndswingtotally agree, this is awesome content! and I think a lot of customers are going to cross shop these two so super helpful video. And Bella’s awesome as a tester; swing speed, consistency of strike, and really good at voicing over what she’s feeling. Awesome stuff, keep it up!
I recently had a fitting here in the UK. Not too dissimilar swing speed to Bella. Went in thinking QI10Max. Came out with the G430Max 10k. Sweet (like Bella) 😉
I got fitted for and bought the Qi10 Max coming from a G430 Max (Not 10k). I knew Ping was marginally better but the only reason I switched was because I got tired of the metal sound and looks of the Ping G430 series. The Qi's look and sound better to me, I'm pretty happy.
Thanks for posting this, more people fit into this swing \ball speed demographic than shows up on WRX. Have a great collegiate career Bella, great looking swing too.
Great review. Great tester. Her clubhead speed and ball speed much more aligned to mine. A 105mph swinger testing clubs I don't get anything from. Thanks.
Wow! High baby draws for days! Fantastic job by Isabella. Please bring her back. I have to say that the Ping doesn't sound as smooth but I like the look much more and I'm still quite iffy about TaylorMade's durability. 10K Max order is in.
My fault, I should have noted this in the video. Since the stock offerings are different, we went with the shaft in each model that most closely resembles her gamer. In the Qi10 Max, it was the Fujikura Speeder NX 50R. In the G430 Max 10K, it was the Project X HZRDUS Red RDX 50R - Drew
Thinking of getting the Qi10 - but worried about the draw biased comment. Will buying a 10.5 and adjusting it to 9.0 eliminate the draw bias (and maybe set the face a bit more square)?
Great question and thanks for watching! Making that adjustment would definitely curb some of that draw bias. If you launch the ball plenty high, this could be a nice setup for you. The concern when you move the loft down by 1.5 degrees is just making sure the ball still launches high enough
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I understand correctly, despite Ping's driver setting (shaft) more similar to what this girl is using on everyday basis, Qi 10 performed quite similar?
10K achieved by adding top to bottom and Left to right twisting. I'm not sure if TM had to make it draw biased or it was a choice, i.e. many amerterures slice. But I think it was maybe a mistake, had they made their driver non bias and straight I think the lighter weight and nicer feel of the face would have been a winner. Ping did something unexpected most forgiving in a straight driver. TM needed a 5 club line up. LS, Standard, 10K straight, 10KHD and the light one which doesn't seem to be out yet. My reservation with the Ping is the weight, I know I would loose some swing speed.
The "Max" drivers are designed to provide more forgiveness on off-center strikes and higher launch than other drivers. So, typically, it's mid-to-high handicappers. With that said, they can be useful for any golfer. Nelly Korda is one of the best golfers on the planet and plays a Qi10 Max. All depends on what you are looking for out of your driver.
Taylormade would be tight if they can figure out their naming style. The Qi10 is so different from stealth2 and sim2 max that are in my bag. And wish that was better. I did like my sim2 max colors. And wish I can have that on the ne qi10. But yeah, just not feeling the name.
Love my Sim 2 Max driver. Just recently bought a G430 5W and I’m blown away with the club. Thing is like a cheat code. Seriously considering testing out the driver as well to compare with my Sim 2 Max
I mean, any club would look great when you test it with a machine like that instead of us mere mortals. That was some scarily good consistency on display here.
Having a great female golfer, with swing speed relatable to most of men amateurs makes so much sense, a ton more than those other reviews with swing speeds of 110mph… great review, thanks!
Agree- but I'd also like to see a counterpart video where players (male or female) are hitting these drivers with close to 100-105mph clubhead speed. I don't play know many golfers who only hit their drives 216/235. This def appeals to SOME, but not a majority.
I swing the slowest out of all my friends at 115 🤔
Really like seeing the comparison of these 2 drivers by someone with a similar swing speed to my own. I gain a much clearer understanding of what their potential cold be more me.
Thanks for watching!!
Great to have Bella out here to be super consistent to show differences between clubs. She's so consistent you can show the club differences not attributable to strike differences.
I went in the fitting for callaway ai smoke and ping, end up walking out with regular qi 10. My swing speed is right at 100mph but with my extreme inside out path( 5-8*) I needed something has more spin to keep the ball in the air longer. Also anything with draw bias will not work with my swing, my fitter had a 12* head turned down to 10*, which open the face up to 4* to counter my big draw, sometimes duck hook. From hitting my old stealth 9* driver 50-60ft high averaged 200-220 carry to now 90-100ft high and 230-245 carry. It is amazing how important the correct fitting will do to your game!
That smash factor and consistency with dispersion of a dime is INSANE! Great job Bella!
Thank you for watching!!
I would empty my bank account for that consistency of strike. Awesome swing, great video!
So would I! It's fun to watch! - Drew
Those numbers are almost robotic they are so good
Man she’s got one heck of a swing!
Bro, she was automatic with that baby draw. Crazy.
They all sell for half as much at some point.
I can say for myself from a fitting and from the content I've seen that these two drivers, aside from the 10k MOI claim/brand, are not actually direct competitors.
In the Qi10 Max, Taylormade have maxed out forgiveness across the face in the traditional way we've seen: weight back, stretched out, low CG, super high MOI. But for speedy players, super high spin. In many ways, they're claiming to have maxed out the max approach to the modern 460cc driver.
Ping are up to something different. They've also maxed forgiveness across the face, also moved the weight back, also stretched it out, also v low CG. But the other thing Ping have done, and you'll see in results...they've managed to reduce spin from their Max driver while doing so. G430 10k is super forgiving, launches high, but spins low relative to G430Max, and mid relative to G430 LST. Low on the face, the G430 Max 10k kills the excess spin with additional loft, and doesn't twist. High on the face, the spin kicks up, and doesn't twist. So your low spinny misses spin less and stay on line, and the high toe-y long left ball spins a bit more and holds its line longer.
I hit the 10k all over the face and my spin was between 1900-2800. And the dispersion circle was tight. I hit the taylormade to the moon on shots in the middle of the face, and low on the face. The TM high on the face ball kicks down the spin and goes a mile.
I think a good fitter can turn the LST or the Max into a high launch mid-spin monster. But the 10k can achieve the closest thing to these launch conditions out of the box.
Great feedback and thanks for watching! Excellent analysis. When we visited PING to review the 10K driver, we worked with master fitter James Lee and he mentioned the 10K is a blend of the G430 Max and G430 LST. From that perspective, it’s not necessarily aimed at the same demographic as the Qi10 Max. We just thought, since these are the two drivers pushing that 10,000 MOI message that we’d compare them. Both excellent in their specific ways!
@@2ndswingtotally agree, this is awesome content! and I think a lot of customers are going to cross shop these two so super helpful video. And Bella’s awesome as a tester; swing speed, consistency of strike, and really good at voicing over what she’s feeling.
Awesome stuff, keep it up!
I recently had a fitting here in the UK. Not too dissimilar swing speed to Bella. Went in thinking QI10Max. Came out with the G430Max 10k. Sweet (like Bella) 😉
I got fitted for and bought the Qi10 Max coming from a G430 Max (Not 10k). I knew Ping was marginally better but the only reason I switched was because I got tired of the metal sound and looks of the Ping G430 series. The Qi's look and sound better to me, I'm pretty happy.
Thanks for posting this, more people fit into this swing \ball speed demographic than shows up on WRX.
Have a great collegiate career Bella, great looking swing too.
Great review. Great tester. Her clubhead speed and ball speed much more aligned to mine. A 105mph swinger testing clubs I don't get anything from. Thanks.
Bella is like a mini golf swinging robot for consistency! Excellent test 👍 Thankyou 🙏
Bella is such a great tester.
Wow! High baby draws for days! Fantastic job by Isabella. Please bring her back. I have to say that the Ping doesn't sound as smooth but I like the look much more and I'm still quite iffy about TaylorMade's durability. 10K Max order is in.
I went into my fitting wanting to love the Taylormade. Left with the Ping.
so nice to finally have an athlete testing
What were the shaft setups?
My fault, I should have noted this in the video. Since the stock offerings are different, we went with the shaft in each model that most closely resembles her gamer. In the Qi10 Max, it was the Fujikura Speeder NX 50R. In the G430 Max 10K, it was the Project X HZRDUS Red RDX 50R - Drew
Thanks. Loved the video
Her dispersion with the PING was insane!!! Such a tremendous ability to repeat that swing.
Thinking of getting the Qi10 - but worried about the draw biased comment. Will buying a 10.5 and adjusting it to 9.0 eliminate the draw bias (and maybe set the face a bit more square)?
Great question and thanks for watching! Making that adjustment would definitely curb some of that draw bias. If you launch the ball plenty high, this could be a nice setup for you. The concern when you move the loft down by 1.5 degrees is just making sure the ball still launches high enough
Great review. Which Hzrdus Smoke shaft did you use in the Ping Driver? The Smoke Red 50 or 60?.
drew posted below.. it was the Project X HZRDUS Red RDX 50R -
Interested to do a fitting session btw these two heads. Thinking I'm willing so give up distance with TD paradym for some consistency
Amazing how similar they are. Ping is perfect but the draw bias Taylormade would work for me
Hey can you guys PLEASE make a video hitting the 10k with all the different stock shaft options?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I understand correctly, despite Ping's driver setting (shaft) more similar to what this girl is using on everyday basis, Qi 10 performed quite similar?
awesome swing!! Great numbers!
Which two clubs has people bought after a fitting at 2nd swing?
I lost a few mph ball speed with the Ping vs standard Qi10 driver as well.
10K achieved by adding top to bottom and Left to right twisting. I'm not sure if TM had to make it draw biased or it was a choice, i.e. many amerterures slice. But I think it was maybe a mistake, had they made their driver non bias and straight I think the lighter weight and nicer feel of the face would have been a winner. Ping did something unexpected most forgiving in a straight driver. TM needed a 5 club line up. LS, Standard, 10K straight, 10KHD and the light one which doesn't seem to be out yet. My reservation with the Ping is the weight, I know I would loose some swing speed.
For whom are these MAX drivers designed? Mid-cappers who need forgiveness on mis-hits? or Strpng players in college
The "Max" drivers are designed to provide more forgiveness on off-center strikes and higher launch than other drivers. So, typically, it's mid-to-high handicappers. With that said, they can be useful for any golfer. Nelly Korda is one of the best golfers on the planet and plays a Qi10 Max. All depends on what you are looking for out of your driver.
@@2ndswing thank you
Taylormade would be tight if they can figure out their naming style. The Qi10 is so different from stealth2 and sim2 max that are in my bag. And wish that was better. I did like my sim2 max colors. And wish I can have that on the ne qi10. But yeah, just not feeling the name.
Love my Sim 2 Max driver. Just recently bought a G430 5W and I’m blown away with the club. Thing is like a cheat code. Seriously considering testing out the driver as well to compare with my Sim 2 Max
They are very similar for her at her ball speed. At 160+ ball speed these are two totally different drivers.
Thanks for watching!! We've noticed this in fittings. At higher swing speeds, the Qi10 Max will produce a little more spin than the G430 Max 10K
Thank You
If your a good ball striker the ping if you hit around the face , Taylor made the sweet spot is smaller on the ping
There Is people that says that Ping 430 Max 10 has a right bias?
OMG she is adorable.
You are testing the most forgiving drivers. Removing the "bad swings" is the opposite of what you should do. You should remove the top 5.
I mean, any club would look great when you test it with a machine like that instead of us mere mortals. That was some scarily good consistency on display here.
Bella can swing, that's for sure!
How many of the driver reviews will be done by women this year? It does little to help c
hoose with club head speeds in the low 90s for male players.
Y'all removed 2 shots from the Ping G430 Max 10k......swinging people towards Ping.
The worst 2 shots were also removed from the Taylormade Qi10. No bias as you suggest.