Very professional rear brake shoe replacement tutorial / complete go-to classroom guide with step by step user friendly directions. THIS...has been a very good video!
I remember working on those evil drum brakes when I was like 16-17 years old I am 65 now, learned how to cuss real good. Springs zipping through air, crappy tools, crusty shot hardware, bloody knuckles. Did not know back then you could get new hardware kits. Huge fun!
"Dont stab yourself in the face" Sage advice Ray. Once one finally learns that you WILL eventually hurt yourself when cutting or pulling things toward yourself, and learns to evaluate that every time they have a tool in their hands, they will find themselves in much less pain, and leaking less fluid on a regular basis.
I was very lucky replacing may rear handbrake assembly. Pointed pliers slipped off the spring and went straight into my left eye. Fortunately, I had my glasses on and the plastic lens saved my eye. Made my blood run cold. came so close to losing an eye. I don't use pliers now. I immediately took a large flat screwdriver and ground slots into the blade on the side and the tip so I can lever or push away. Highly recommend it. Works great.
Great video....as usual. As a home handyman mechanic.....I'm not keen on doing drums....but I do. I will usually take some pictures for reference. I usually adjust my drums somewhat tight.....so they drag slightly on the shoes. I find that after a test drive....all the parts find their final resting place and the drums loosen up😊.
13:40 with digital cameras on every phone around, take several pictures before you pull the brakes apart. But keep in mind, the last guy may have put things together wrongly. Back in my day, drum brakes was all we had. That and a stick to rub against the wheel.
Thanks, Ray. I invariably watch your videos on a large screen TV and don’t see comments and links, etc. unless I go to my tablet afterwards - which is how I occasionally comment. It’s good that you think of your viewers who are in a similar situation. As a really old guy, I will never do a brake job - or any other job on a car - but I really enjoy being entertained by you. You manage to make the mundane interesting.
What TV? The RUclips app for Roku show the suggestion for part 2 (and has for years). Can also read and like comments. Just can't post comments. Which IMAX fine since the UI would suck for that (passwords are bad enough). Though the Roku app that works as a remote give a usable keyboard (works great for searched too).
It has been a VERY long time since I did brakes. Back then most cars has rear drum, and some even front. So it was common to do them, and I did have the tools for those springs. The ONLY thing I did that you didn't was lube the "spreader" pin and where the shoes contact the backing plates. Probably inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. It was great listening & watching your drum brake tutorial. If anyone is thinking of doing them they have what's needed. Great pair of videos. On the Chinese vehicle, I would be interested in seeing. I have seen a few YT videos of a mini (very mini) truck from China, but no details. Go for it, Ray!
Yes, do the Chinese minicar. I was doing drum brakes back when Ray was a gleam in his grandfather's eyes. Did many a drum brake job in the days before self adjusters. I still have the brake adjuster tool somewhere. Had to replace many broken adjuster cables. Yes I thought about the anti-seize lube on the shoe pads and the adjuster cap without the threads. Also the pins on the adjuster pieces.
It’s not inconsequential, you do it right or don’t do it. Lubing contact points and adjusters means in 50k or 60k the adjusters are frozen and either can’t be backed off to get drum off or freeze up and not allow the brakes to adjust and customer has a low pedal. No excuse for not doing it the right way.
@@michaellleb2843 they're lighter and handle not being used much better than caliper brakes do. Which is why they're starting to become popular again on some EVs since a lot of EVs brake 99% of the time with the electric motor regen instead of using the brakes, the discs end up becoming pretty rusty, also lighter weight = more range
Oh man, this brings back memories from my old cars own mechanic days. I still get kind of both p**sed off, frustrated, happy, and all kinds of feelings from watching this. 😅 Thank you for taking on and acing the challenge.
When I was in high school, I made a spring puller. It was cute. It was just used for doing drum brakes. I gave it to the teacher made life a lot easier just a small little J-hook with a little handle. It’s the same thing like to use for trampolines, but a little smaller.
I always enjoy the long videos and all the information in them.The fact that you don't stop talking makes the videos fun, informative, and entertaining. Not an easy task. Anyone who has ever done any public speaking will attest to that. Keep up the great work Ray.
Had a friend in shop class over 40 years ago used the joiner and it cut the tips of his fingers off. For the longest time we just called him -- Stubby .. Always be safe and wear your glasses and pay attention!!!
I worked on cars before disk brakes, and there was a nice tool that had the cup to press the spring to release the retainer on one of the pliers' handles. There was also a point on one jaw that would stab into the brake shoe lining and a spring hook on the other jaw for releasing the springs. Lost the tool years ago when I stopped doing brake jobs, but it made it super easy to tear down and reassemble drum brakes. Amazon still sells the things. I also had a cylinder hone to resurface the cylinders to install a rebuild kit. Made a lot of money in the day with these two tools.
Good teachers shouldn’t “shut up”. 30 something years as an amateur home mechanic and I’m still learning, mainly from you. Your video format, your commentary and your humour make your content informative and entertaining. It rubs off on people; from “gravity” to “doodlydoodlydoo” (back in the day…) and learning about engines we don’t get in the UK, it’s very watchable
Great content Ray.. Owned a 2007 Yaris for 8 years & covered 90.000 miles here in the UK. Brought back happy maintenance memories, so easy to work on. An ultra reliable machine indeed. Mine had the 1.4 diesel TD (1ND-TV) 5 speed manual shift. 60 MPG + easily achieved & never missed a beat.. Changed it for a Toyota Auris estate 2 years ago with the very same engine and just like the Yaris, super easy maintenance and still enjoy trouble free motoring.....Happy days......
Watching you is like been back at college learning to repair my own car many many years ago love watching you work bring back good memories thank you ray.
When I was in High School shop a friend of mine and I took both sides of the test rig off amd it took us two weeks of classes to get UT right it was a great lesson in doing one side at a time.
Back in the late 60's when I did this for the first time, I spent hours looking for springs on my parents front lawn. Wish I had needle nose vice grips and not channel lock pliers.
This is without a doubt the best drum brake how-to I've seen, every step explained so well that even a dummy like me has the confidence to attempt it. Now all I need is a vehicle with rear drums (maybe my '69 Cougar that I sold in '78 is still alive and back on the market). Thanks again for this excellent tutorial Ray, it's awarded TWO thumbs up. 👍👍
Not a so good how to video. Lack of lubricating the contact points as well as the adjuster and parking brake pivot means it was done incorrectly. He should show the proper way to do things if he is going to brag about making how to videos.
When doing my apprenticeship in the 90s In Ireland doing back brake shoes at a Renault can't remember the exact model. but very last spring had pointed nose pillars i was one millimetre away from hook it in,safety glasses on,took my eye off the ball as they say,slipped straight into my top lip both points of pillars straight through to my gum........so listen to Raymond, he's talking sense.....and I've the scar to prove it.....stay safe people.....
Ray ; At some point in the future if you chose to you'd make an excellent Automotive Shop teacher ( if auto shop still exists in any schools ) You're great at to the point , easy to understand explanations .
Ray. What an excellent and useful pair of videoes both for novices and for old timers like me as a reminder. Perfect for us here in UK as many of us are still running vehicles with drum brakes at the rear. Very well done and thank you. I watch on my TV and your scheme worked fine. I finished part one. Went back to recommended videos and there was part 2 waiting for me.
I was just wondering how many brake shoe jobs I'd done before Ray was even born! 🤣🤣🤣 Love to watch him attempt cable brakes.....😅😅😅😅 Thinking about it.... The luxury of pre lined replacement shoes! No copper brass rivet's to chisel off and replace.... 😅😅😅
In the UK our 2008 Yaris 1.33 manual is the most dependable car we have ever had, i started driving in 1966 by the way. Just ensure you do regular oil changes, wheel bearings and clutch can be an issue but 100% reliable.
@@JRattheranchI remember going to buy "bonded" shoes for my old 1936 Hillman back in 1960s but the supplier could only supply me with rivetted linings and rivets. As a student I had few tools but did have access to a vice and a hammer and a centre punch. With a selection of ground down nails I managed first time and once bedded in they worked as good as cable operated Bendix brakes ever could.
Still forgot to lube the friction pads between the backing plate and the brake shoes contact points. No lube on the star wheel adjusters as well... Bad for vehicles in the rust belt if they use the parking brake and it seize up
Having worked on my own brakes back in the day when they were almost all drum brakes it great to see you having as much "fun" as I did. A very fiddly and frustrating repair. LOL!
Thank you for another great video... but I didn't see you check the spare tire... that's one thing I always check just to make sure there is one... keep them videos coming...
The video brings back memories. There was time when all you had was drum brakes. The self adjustors were leading technology. Good seeing it being done.
The other beautiful thing with Toyota drums is the access to the adjuster wheel through the backing plate. Best adjusted with a flat blade screwdriver bent at about a 30deg angle about an inch from the tip! First car was a 1970 Crown with drums all round. Became rather adept at adjusting those bloody things!
Most people don't know that is why you set the parking brake, because everytime you do it will adjust if needed. Thx for sharing Been awhile for drums lolololo
Once my brother needed to replace the brakes on his truck. I went to his house to do the brakes and save him dollars. I had changed disc brakes many times. Unfortunately, he also needed the rear drum brakes changed, too. I knew better than to remove both sides at once. However, I could not figure how to put the brakes back together. We had to take the truck to a real mechanic to get the job finished. Last year I needed to replace the drum brakes on my 1968 Cougar. This time I watched a RUclips video as I removed and replaced the shoes.
I think another good pointer to look for when purchasing a used vehicle is to look for evidence of hidden bodywork / frame repairs,, paint overspray or wrinkles / creases under the hood and below in the sub structure
Good point but, Ray is not a body guy (unless it is making) his vehicle looking prettier) spoken from a 47 year experienced auto body and frame repair guy.
He said that referenced if it don’t look right then I most likely isn’t right. Just didn’t get super specific with proper names. Probably cause he is very down to earth and mindful and lots of people start hearing too many proper names will become confused or flustered and become disconnected
Some drum brake systems have a leading and trailing brake shoe. The difference is the location of the brake material on the shoe relative to the pivot pins and the way it is forced onto the drum. It is imperative that you know what system you have and to ensure you get it right for correct brake operation.
A Mini e.g. The leading shoe would point towards the forward rotation of the wheel. I haven't worked on cars since 1986 so pardon my ignorance if I'm wrong. I did my apprenticeship then a couple of years as a tradesmen but the guy I was working for was a complete asshole. He insisted putting a time limit on every job. When you rush you make mistakes. Doing that work was soul destroying for me.
On this brake the rear shoe will pivot clockwise (on this side) as it is pushed by the wheel cylinder against the drum, and then push, through the bottom link, on the front shoe, forcing it against the drum. Sort of a free power brake system. When I learned brakes, disc brakes were not widely used yet.😊
Great video. I have a similar Toyota/Pontiac product. What happened to me when my front sprayer stopped working, but the rear worked, I bought a new pump for the front. Drained the washer reservoir, installed the new pump, and no worky. Had no voltage to the pump. Went into the fuse panel under the dash, no fuse. Put a fuse in and put the original pump motor in and refilled the reservoir and wallah, it works. The rear washer and front washer in my car are on separate fuses. So check fuses before you start buying new products and spend the time to take them out and put them in.
Hey Ray, I don't remember if i commented on this, but i have 2 older Chevy p/ups my dad's old 69 that he cherished 2 mo. Before he died, and my 1st 1987 Silverado, and they both have reverse adjusting brakes our 2021 Silverado i don't know. My wife's got them her Tahoe.
Ray I lik it when you ask people what they would like to see on your videos Ray this your channel which I watch for your sarcasm ,the play on word,the throwing of the empty brake Klean can the gravity ,the learning of some mechanics and the entertainment. If I think your. Ideo is a little long I will self edit so make your videos as long as you want and if you have time edit them this takes time to do it Thanks for videos Ray
I always used side cutters to grip them and also never took the parking brake lever off the cable, just removed clip and put new shoe on then tightened the clip. Some of them were a bitch to get back on the cable without loosening the cable adjusters up.
In my distant memory I seem to recall those drum brake auto-adjusters work when reversing the car and braking heavily... some on the parking brake, others on the brake pedal. It's been a loooong time!! My original 1971 Mini had twin leading shoe front brakes, and one leading/one trailing shoe (as this Yaris) on the rears.
For the most part I don't notice the length of your video's till the last 5 minutes as they are engaging. I know you have done some work before on drum brakes before, but think it was more aside thing as you were doing other repairs. But this was nice and in-depth job. Brought back memories of how I hated doing drum brakes in automotive class in high school. Keep up the good work there Ray.
I have in the past put a large 14 inch screw drive hose clamp on the brake shoes to hold them together while reinstalling the brake springs. I go the large clamp from the HVAC guy at work.
I'm in my 70s now and worked on brakes when I was a teen . We turned the drums and had all the correct tools for the job . No needle nose pliers were used , ever .. The only adjustment to the brakes we did was , put it in reverse , hit the gas and slam on the brakes several times . And yes I would love to see a china-mobile .
When did they stop putting that hole in the back of the plate? There used to be an oval hole in the plate with a rubber plug in it, that you could reach in and adjust the star without taking the drum off. My dad had a special brake tool for doing both the springs and the star. I think I see the plug at 42:24 and after, but I would have thought Ray would have mentioned it if so.
9:40 this is where it's handy to have more roll arounds or portable work surfaces to lay the brakes out on so you don't have to bend over. Get to my age and you'll appreciate still having joint motion.
Great content Ray. But you forgot one key point. On the adjuster, you for got to pull the end off, clean it and add a dab of grease so it doesn't freeze up and not self adjust property. Just a rust belt tip.
You could not use a worse tool than a needle nose pliers to do a drum brake job. I was screaming at you every time just before they slipped off the springs . In my apprenticeship days I too bashed my nose with a pare of pliers with my boss laughing historically at me and saying I WAS WAITING FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. Then he told me to use a pare of side cutters to stretch the springs . You don’t do any damage to the springs as they are hi tensile and you don’t have to apply too much pressure. Give them a try you will be surprised 😊😊😊
I do my own work and hate drum brakes. Nice to see that a master mechanic will strugle with them also. If I could offer a tip. I use vise grips for the spring retaining clip, and needle nose vise grips for setting the springs. It has hepled me from chasing parts that fly acoss the floor. Great vidio. I have to this soon on a Transist Connect.
I have the special tool that allows you to slip the springs into place. It was painful watching that. LOL My father used to swap out drum brakes so fast you couldn't see his movements. In a competition one time at an auto show he changed each side of a car in under two minutes. When he did drum brakes it always appeared that he just tossed the parts on the car. LOL It was pretty impressive to watch and it was cool for a kid to see all the other men in awe of my father's ability. He wasn't even the worker bee in those days, he was the manager of a large and popular shop. (He stopped doing that job in about 1975.) I recall the adjusters only engaging in reverse.
The adjusters do activate when you reverse. You can get them close enough adjusting with screwdriver as Ray showed and then apply brakes while backing up to tighten them a bit more
I like using a long screwdriver to put those springs back on. Get the flat head in the slot, start stretching the spring until the leverage essentially causes the spring to want to retract, and then it slides down the drive shaft and you can pop the spring into the shoe
Damn skippy drum brake jobs are dangerous. I didn't stab myself in the eye BUT I did catch a tension spring up side of my nose gashing it open and the looped end caught the edge of my nasal bone chipping it. But me being me,........ I did get the job done before I got it looked at.
Very good on the rear brake shoe replacement 👍 I would have put anti-seeze on the 6 raised spots on the backing plates , the moving pay of the adjuster & the emergency brake arm that touches the back of the secondary shoe 🚲
Yes. I was looking at a couple of them. They have a bit of rust on the backing plate. I guess that's the contact point. I haven't done drum brakes in a few decades. I was glad to see four wheel disc brakes become so common. Working with those springs is a pain.
Yep a proper brake job would include lube on contact points and on the adjuster and parking brake pin. But most techs never do this and think they are doing it correctly when they are in fact not doing it right.
Ray that little thingy's name is entirely dependent on how many times you have tried to fit it's spring and washer I worked with a guy who managed to get the pliers embedded in both eye sockets while pulling on a handbrake cable. Lost one and only had 30% vision in the other. He had no depth of vision but was allowed to keep his driving license !!! Eric E
I was able to click on second part by clicking above on link..thought you might find this info helpful..and yes you did a set of drum brakes i think it was on a 98 something thinking camera?
I hate those spring retainers for the shoes that you have to press and twist until i bought the tool for it. I always ended up fiddling with it for ages until i got them in the right spot and it was getting on my last nerve so i gave in and bought the tool now it's a 5 min job...
The only way to get a rebuild kit anymore is to order them online. It's definitely become very difficult to fix your own parts and now you end up relying on someone else's reman work of some other person's failed part. It's almost like they make money off you having to fix the same things repeatedly....
Great quality car, no leaking, dry bottom,no rust. Question: do you know how to drive a non automatic car ? In Europe most cars are 5 or 6 speed manual. Great job on explaining and fixing the drum brakes. On to the next one.
Good morning Ray. Fixing up the little Toyota so it can stop again on a dime. You never fully done a drum brake job. I know a Chevy Prisma a couple years ago you thought it would need but you did not need the job. Also about 5 months ago you adjusted the drum brakes on a 2013 Toyota Corolla and brake cleaned them into submission. Don’t forget to have yourself a great day.
ha!! def great advice!! always push dangerous tools away from you.. same applies to usng screwdrivers to push on things you are holding onto.. or utility knives that you honk down on and find that your finger should never be in the potential patch shoul the blade break or screwdriver slip.. as for brakes.. ive always done the needle nose method.. for the longest tme I never knew there was a special tool until I saw someone use one.. I grew up using the vice grip that looks like a needle nose plier to pull those retainers off.. i still hate drum brakes but nevertheless.. the tool *IS* required I found out when doing the brakes on one of my vintage busses.. those psrings are the real deal
1. I enjoy your videos immensely don't alter your concept because of me. 2. Trico is actually the company that invented the modern wiper blade, their products are the Standard in windshield products along with Rain X. In my personal estimation. And yes please do introduce your audience to the "quality" of Asian vehicles and how much lower their domestic use products would not sell well in this market.
Going back to the black & white days rebuilding drum brakes, loved the memories. Would love to see a U.S. Chinesium car, if only to compare with U.K. models. It’s a shame your truck is off the road you could have popped it in the back. 😂
Part 1 Post Purchase Inspection! Electrical Diag Needed 2012 Toyota Yaris 1.5 ruclips.net/video/WjfNHqjr6jA/видео.html
Very professional rear brake shoe replacement tutorial / complete go-to classroom guide with step by step user friendly directions.
THIS...has been a very good video!
Chinesium... Love to see how bad they are!!!
For safety always wear safety glasses. When working vehicles.
Not tooo long. Wanna see the chineeesium car
love to se the chinesium. wat about the tpms light on the dash ? sorry for mistakes in text . greetings from brazil.
I remember working on those evil drum brakes when I was like 16-17 years old I am 65 now, learned how to cuss real good. Springs zipping through air, crappy tools, crusty shot hardware, bloody knuckles. Did not know back then you could get new hardware kits. Huge fun!
Ohhhh Yeeaaaahh !! Big round of applause for Rainman Ray getting shop floor soaked.
Sure thing on the Chinamobile..and like we always told the boss--Thx for coming in today!
"Dont stab yourself in the face"
Sage advice Ray. Once one finally learns that you WILL eventually hurt yourself when cutting or pulling things toward yourself, and learns to evaluate that every time they have a tool in their hands, they will find themselves in much less pain, and leaking less fluid on a regular basis.
Good advice! I cook for a living, we always try to avoid stabbing ourselves in the face.
I seem to remember you disassembling a drum brake to diag something. I think. But I think this is the first ever Dr brake job.
Seeing those drums brought back some great memories. I vote yes on the Chineseisum car!
I was very lucky replacing may rear handbrake assembly.
Pointed pliers slipped off the spring and went straight into my left eye.
Fortunately, I had my glasses on and the plastic lens saved my eye.
Made my blood run cold. came so close to losing an eye.
I don't use pliers now.
I immediately took a large flat screwdriver and ground slots into the blade on the side and the tip
so I can lever or push away.
Highly recommend it. Works great.
I still have my brake drum tools from the 70's. I have 3 Chevy OBS trucks with drum brakes.
And that is how I have done it for years. Good videos.
Bass Akwards... Classic. Truly. Keep on rocking it Ray! You NEVER fail to entertain us.
16:05 ray got me doing this while spraying the wheel sealer on my car wheels after getting the car washed XD
Great video....as usual. As a home handyman mechanic.....I'm not keen on doing drums....but I do. I will usually take some pictures for reference. I usually adjust my drums somewhat tight.....so they drag slightly on the shoes. I find that after a test drive....all the parts find their final resting place and the drums loosen up😊.
13:40 with digital cameras on every phone around, take several pictures before you pull the brakes apart. But keep in mind, the last guy may have put things together wrongly. Back in my day, drum brakes was all we had. That and a stick to rub against the wheel.
thanks ray for posting part 2..... and yes to the Chinese video.
Yes...a look is warranted..we should check it out. Thanks.
Whoever owned this car really took great care of it. It looks amazing for an 11 year old car. Even the steering wheel didn’t show any wear.
Thanks, Ray. I invariably watch your videos on a large screen TV and don’t see comments and links, etc. unless I go to my tablet afterwards - which is how I occasionally comment. It’s good that you think of your viewers who are in a similar situation. As a really old guy, I will never do a brake job - or any other job on a car - but I really enjoy being entertained by you. You manage to make the mundane interesting.
What TV?
The RUclips app for Roku show the suggestion for part 2 (and has for years). Can also read and like comments.
Just can't post comments. Which IMAX fine since the UI would suck for that (passwords are bad enough).
Though the Roku app that works as a remote give a usable keyboard (works great for searched too).
It has been a VERY long time since I did brakes. Back then most cars has rear drum, and some even front. So it was common to do them, and I did have the tools for those springs. The ONLY thing I did that you didn't was lube the "spreader" pin and where the shoes contact the backing plates. Probably inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. It was great listening & watching your drum brake tutorial. If anyone is thinking of doing them they have what's needed. Great pair of videos.
On the Chinese vehicle, I would be interested in seeing. I have seen a few YT videos of a mini (very mini) truck from China, but no details. Go for it, Ray!
Yes, do the Chinese minicar. I was doing drum brakes back when Ray was a gleam in his grandfather's eyes. Did many a drum brake job in the days before self adjusters. I still have the brake adjuster tool somewhere. Had to replace many broken adjuster cables. Yes I thought about the anti-seize lube on the shoe pads and the adjuster cap without the threads. Also the pins on the adjuster pieces.
It’s not inconsequential, you do it right or don’t do it. Lubing contact points and adjusters means in 50k or 60k the adjusters are frozen and either can’t be backed off to get drum off or freeze up and not allow the brakes to adjust and customer has a low pedal. No excuse for not doing it the right way.
You did a good job explaining the drum job simple and easy to understand.
Thank you for your precious time Ray
Be safe
"Don't stab yourself in the face"
Good tip, Ray!
Drum Brakes are lighter than Disk Brakes?? So I have heard, butt they are such a pain in the Donkey!
@@michaellleb2843 they're lighter and handle not being used much better than caliper brakes do. Which is why they're starting to become popular again on some EVs since a lot of EVs brake 99% of the time with the electric motor regen instead of using the brakes, the discs end up becoming pretty rusty, also lighter weight = more range
Oh man, this brings back memories from my old cars own mechanic days. I still get kind of both p**sed off, frustrated, happy, and all kinds of feelings from watching this. 😅 Thank you for taking on and acing the challenge.
When I was in high school, I made a spring puller. It was cute. It was just used for doing drum brakes. I gave it to the teacher made life a lot easier just a small little J-hook with a little handle. It’s the same thing like to use for trampolines, but a little smaller.
I always enjoy the long videos and all the information in them.The fact that you don't stop talking makes the videos fun, informative, and entertaining. Not an easy task. Anyone who has ever done any public speaking will attest to that. Keep up the great work Ray.
Ray your ass backward approach to the real rear drum brakes was very entertainin and a refresher course of how much a joy to repair.
Had a friend in shop class over 40 years ago used the joiner and it cut the tips of his fingers off. For the longest time we just called him -- Stubby .. Always be safe and wear your glasses and pay attention!!!
I worked on cars before disk brakes, and there was a nice tool that had the cup to press the spring to release the retainer on one of the pliers' handles. There was also a point on one jaw that would stab into the brake shoe lining and a spring hook on the other jaw for releasing the springs. Lost the tool years ago when I stopped doing brake jobs, but it made it super easy to tear down and reassemble drum brakes. Amazon still sells the things. I also had a cylinder hone to resurface the cylinders to install a rebuild kit. Made a lot of money in the day with these two tools.
I stopped turning wrenches about 40 years ago but I still have those drum brake tools. I' m not sure why I kept them.
I have such tool, almost 50 years old now, I have 5 vehicles with drum brakes on the rear, and the two old VWs also have them on the front.
@@jj-fl505 you never know when you might need them.
Good teachers shouldn’t “shut up”. 30 something years as an amateur home mechanic and I’m still learning, mainly from you. Your video format, your commentary and your humour make your content informative and entertaining. It rubs off on people; from “gravity” to “doodlydoodlydoo” (back in the day…) and learning about engines we don’t get in the UK, it’s very watchable
Great content Ray.. Owned a 2007 Yaris for 8 years & covered 90.000 miles here in the UK. Brought back happy maintenance memories, so easy to work on. An ultra reliable machine indeed. Mine had the 1.4 diesel TD (1ND-TV) 5 speed manual shift. 60 MPG + easily achieved & never missed a beat.. Changed it for a Toyota Auris estate 2 years ago with the very same engine and just like the Yaris, super easy maintenance and still enjoy trouble free motoring.....Happy days......
Watching you is like been back at college learning to repair my own car many many years ago love watching you work bring back good memories thank you ray.
When I was in High School shop a friend of mine and I took both sides of the test rig off amd it took us two weeks of classes to get UT right it was a great lesson in doing one side at a time.
Back in the late 60's when I did this for the first time, I spent hours looking for springs on my parents front lawn. Wish I had needle nose vice grips and not channel lock pliers.
This is without a doubt the best drum brake how-to I've seen, every step explained so well that even a dummy like me has the confidence to attempt it. Now all I need is a vehicle with rear drums (maybe my '69 Cougar that I sold in '78 is still alive and back on the market). Thanks again for this excellent tutorial Ray, it's awarded TWO thumbs up. 👍👍
Not a so good how to video. Lack of lubricating the contact points as well as the adjuster and parking brake pivot means it was done incorrectly. He should show the proper way to do things if he is going to brag about making how to videos.
Good idea posting second videos on this channel. It's less confusing..
This was the best rear drum brake video ever! I have much more confidence to do my own rear drum brakes on my Silverado. Thank You Ray!
My first 3 cars never had drum brakes, I had never worked on Drum Brakes until recently. Those springs are fun to work with. 😅
Perfect B.C. sound effects! All nice and shiny!!!
Needle nosed Vise Grips work awesome for what you are attempting Ray.
When doing my apprenticeship in the 90s In Ireland doing back brake shoes at a Renault can't remember the exact model. but very last spring had pointed nose pillars i was one millimetre away from hook it in,safety glasses on,took my eye off the ball as they say,slipped straight into my top lip both points of pillars straight through to my gum........so listen to Raymond, he's talking sense.....and I've the scar to prove it.....stay safe people.....
Ray ; At some point in the future if you chose to you'd make an excellent Automotive Shop teacher ( if auto shop still exists in any schools ) You're great at to the point , easy to understand explanations .
thinking the same thing
thankyou Ray,enjoyed this part 2,,have a great day,,👍👍
Ray. What an excellent and useful pair of videoes both for novices and for old timers like me as a reminder. Perfect for us here in UK as many of us are still running vehicles with drum brakes at the rear. Very well done and thank you.
I watch on my TV and your scheme worked fine. I finished part one. Went back to recommended videos and there was part 2 waiting for me.
I was just wondering how many brake shoe jobs I'd done before Ray was even born! 🤣🤣🤣 Love to watch him attempt cable brakes.....😅😅😅😅 Thinking about it.... The luxury of pre lined replacement shoes! No copper brass rivet's to chisel off and replace.... 😅😅😅
In the UK our 2008 Yaris 1.33 manual is the most dependable car we have ever had, i started driving in 1966 by the way. Just ensure you do regular oil changes, wheel bearings and clutch can be an issue but 100% reliable.
@@JRattheranchI remember going to buy "bonded" shoes for my old 1936 Hillman back in 1960s but the supplier could only supply me with rivetted linings and rivets. As a student I had few tools but did have access to a vice and a hammer and a centre punch. With a selection of ground down nails I managed first time and once bedded in they worked as good as cable operated Bendix brakes ever could.
Between part 1 and part 2, a good primer on doing your own in-lot pre-purchase inspection, and a nice looking pirate car!
Still forgot to lube the friction pads between the backing plate and the brake shoes contact points. No lube on the star wheel adjusters as well... Bad for vehicles in the rust belt if they use the parking brake and it seize up
We learn a great deal by watching and listening to you
Having worked on my own brakes back in the day when they were almost all drum brakes it great to see you having as much "fun" as I did. A very fiddly and frustrating repair. LOL!
When that primary spring slipped I sent hours looking for it, in the lawn grass. Ah, the good ole days.
Wow that yarus is a pain in the a$$, as is most foreign rear drum brakes.
Have you ever done the rears on American made autos, way, way easier.
I would love a full on inspection of the pure chinesium car
Always interesting, informative, and fun. Love these videos. Yes, looking at the Chinese car would be interesting.
I’ve done rear brakes 5-6 times in my life. Raymond you make it look so easy
Thank you for another great video... but I didn't see you check the spare tire... that's one thing I always check just to make sure there is one... keep them videos coming...
The video brings back memories. There was time when all you had was drum brakes. The self adjustors were leading technology. Good seeing it being done.
The other beautiful thing with Toyota drums is the access to the adjuster wheel through the backing plate. Best adjusted with a flat blade screwdriver bent at about a 30deg angle about an inch from the tip! First car was a 1970 Crown with drums all round. Became rather adept at adjusting those bloody things!
Keep talking Ray - I just love your commentary :)
Most people don't know that is why you set the parking brake, because everytime you do it will adjust if needed. Thx for sharing Been awhile for drums lolololo
Once my brother needed to replace the brakes on his truck. I went to his house to do the brakes and save him dollars. I had changed disc brakes many times. Unfortunately, he also needed the rear drum brakes changed, too. I knew better than to remove both sides at once. However, I could not figure how to put the brakes back together. We had to take the truck to a real mechanic to get the job finished. Last year I needed to replace the drum brakes on my 1968 Cougar. This time I watched a RUclips video as I removed and replaced the shoes.
I think another good pointer to look for when purchasing a used vehicle is to look for evidence of hidden bodywork / frame repairs,, paint overspray or wrinkles / creases under the hood and below in the sub structure
Good point but, Ray is not a body guy (unless it is making) his vehicle looking prettier) spoken from a 47 year experienced auto body and frame repair guy.
Some plastic parts also have the fabrication month/year stamped on.
@IR-nq4qv Could have posted this comment on the first part of this series of videos.
He said that referenced if it don’t look right then I most likely isn’t right. Just didn’t get super specific with proper names. Probably cause he is very down to earth and mindful and lots of people start hearing too many proper names will become confused or flustered and become disconnected
It's amazing how you do most things with one hand😮
Some drum brake systems have a leading and trailing brake shoe. The difference is the location of the brake material on the shoe relative to the pivot pins and the way it is forced onto the drum. It is imperative that you know what system you have and to ensure you get it right for correct brake operation.
A Mini e.g. The leading shoe would point towards the forward rotation of the wheel. I haven't worked on cars since 1986 so pardon my ignorance if I'm wrong. I did my apprenticeship then a couple of years as a tradesmen but the guy I was working for was a complete asshole. He insisted putting a time limit on every job. When you rush you make mistakes. Doing that work was soul destroying for me.
On this brake the rear shoe will pivot clockwise (on this side) as it is pushed by the wheel cylinder against the drum, and then push, through the bottom link, on the front shoe, forcing it against the drum. Sort of a free power brake system. When I learned brakes, disc brakes were not widely used yet.😊
Great video. I have a similar Toyota/Pontiac product. What happened to me when my front sprayer stopped working, but the rear worked, I bought a new pump for the front. Drained the washer reservoir, installed the new pump, and no worky. Had no voltage to the pump. Went into the fuse panel under the dash, no fuse. Put a fuse in and put the original pump motor in and refilled the reservoir and wallah, it works. The rear washer and front washer in my car are on separate fuses. So check fuses before you start buying new products and spend the time to take them out and put them in.
The word is viola.
That's the word I was thinking of
think it’s french for “there”
use it in a sentence :
voila!
while pointing at his croissant wrench.
Need to lube the surface of the backing plate where the shoes sit to avoid squeak when the brakes are applied.
Hey Ray, I don't remember if i commented on this, but i have 2 older Chevy p/ups my dad's old 69 that he cherished 2 mo. Before he died, and my 1st 1987 Silverado, and they both have reverse adjusting brakes our 2021 Silverado i don't know. My wife's got them her Tahoe.
Yes please Ray, that would be interesting to see how they are put together.
Ray I lik it when you ask people what they would like to see on your videos Ray this your channel which I watch for your sarcasm ,the play on word,the throwing of the empty brake Klean can the gravity ,the learning of some mechanics and the entertainment. If I think your. Ideo is a little long I will self edit so make your videos as long as you want and if you have time edit them this takes time to do it Thanks for videos Ray
I prefer small vicegrips on the springs, but to each they're own right . Still a great job
I always used side cutters to grip them and also never took the parking brake lever off the cable, just removed clip and put new shoe on then tightened the clip. Some of them were a bitch to get back on the cable without loosening the cable adjusters up.
Gosh. Great video, this should be PRE-purchase inspection. 😮
I saw some emergency break shoes on some rotors a few times on your channel.
In my distant memory I seem to recall those drum brake auto-adjusters work when reversing the car and braking heavily... some on the parking brake, others on the brake pedal. It's been a loooong time!! My original 1971 Mini had twin leading shoe front brakes, and one leading/one trailing shoe (as this Yaris) on the rears.
For the most part I don't notice the length of your video's till the last 5 minutes as they are engaging. I know you have done some work before on drum brakes before, but think it was more aside thing as you were doing other repairs. But this was nice and in-depth job. Brought back memories of how I hated doing drum brakes in automotive class in high school. Keep up the good work there Ray.
Side note. Would love to have a look at a Chinses car.
I have in the past put a large 14 inch screw drive hose clamp on the brake shoes to hold them together while reinstalling the brake springs. I go the large clamp from the HVAC guy at work.
I'm here for the brake fluid shots 😂 and that's affirmative on the China vehicle.
I was Shop Foreman for Brake Check in the early 70's. Very few cars didn't have rear drum brakes.
I always put a small dab of brake lube on the backing plate where the shoes sit.
I'm in my 70s now and worked on brakes when I was a teen . We turned the drums and had all the correct tools for the job . No needle nose pliers were used , ever .. The only adjustment to the brakes we did was , put it in reverse , hit the gas and slam on the brakes several times . And yes I would love to see a china-mobile .
When did they stop putting that hole in the back of the plate? There used to be an oval hole in the plate with a rubber plug in it, that you could reach in and adjust the star without taking the drum off. My dad had a special brake tool for doing both the springs and the star. I think I see the plug at 42:24 and after, but I would have thought Ray would have mentioned it if so.
9:40 this is where it's handy to have more roll arounds or portable work surfaces to lay the brakes out on so you don't have to bend over. Get to my age and you'll appreciate still having joint motion.
Great content Ray. But you forgot one key point. On the adjuster, you for got to pull the end off, clean it and add a dab of grease so it doesn't freeze up and not self adjust property. Just a rust belt tip.
You could not use a worse tool than a needle nose pliers to do a drum brake job. I was screaming at you every time just before they slipped off the springs . In my apprenticeship days I too bashed my nose with a pare of pliers with my boss laughing historically at me and saying I WAS WAITING FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. Then he told me to use a pare of side cutters to stretch the springs . You don’t do any damage to the springs as they are hi tensile and you don’t have to apply too much pressure. Give them a try you will be surprised 😊😊😊
Gotta love drum brakes!
I do my own work and hate drum brakes. Nice to see that a master mechanic will strugle with them also. If I could offer a tip. I use vise grips for the spring retaining clip, and needle nose vise grips for setting the springs. It has hepled me from chasing parts that fly acoss the floor.
Great vidio. I have to this soon on a Transist Connect.
I have the special tool that allows you to slip the springs into place. It was painful watching that. LOL My father used to swap out drum brakes so fast you couldn't see his movements. In a competition one time at an auto show he changed each side of a car in under two minutes. When he did drum brakes it always appeared that he just tossed the parts on the car. LOL It was pretty impressive to watch and it was cool for a kid to see all the other men in awe of my father's ability. He wasn't even the worker bee in those days, he was the manager of a large and popular shop. (He stopped doing that job in about 1975.)
I recall the adjusters only engaging in reverse.
I have a screwdriver handle with cup on end to push and turn caliper springs. Think it’s made by Leslie
The adjusters do activate when you reverse. You can get them close enough adjusting with screwdriver as Ray showed and then apply brakes while backing up to tighten them a bit more
YEA I HAVE ALL THOSE TOOLS, USTA WORK FOR BRAKE CHECK
Yep, I still have (and use) my brake spring pliers. Probably 40 years old but still works. My older Civic and YJ Jeep have rear drums.
I like using a long screwdriver to put those springs back on. Get the flat head in the slot, start stretching the spring until the leverage essentially causes the spring to want to retract, and then it slides down the drive shaft and you can pop the spring into the shoe
Spring retention cap if I remember right. Grew up with drum brakes. Found that a paint can opener is the perfect adjustment tool.
I watched the videos in order but RUclips recommended them to me out of order. And heck yeah I wanna see the Chinesium thing!
Damn skippy drum brake jobs are dangerous. I didn't stab myself in the eye BUT I did catch a tension spring up side of my nose gashing it open and the looped end caught the edge of my nasal bone chipping it. But me being me,........ I did get the job done before I got it looked at.
Use caution comparing to the "other side". There's always the chance the last guy messed that up for you. Always check service data if possible.
Very good on the rear brake shoe replacement 👍 I would have put anti-seeze on the 6 raised spots on the backing plates , the moving pay of the adjuster & the emergency brake arm that touches the back of the secondary shoe 🚲
Yes. I was looking at a couple of them. They have a bit of rust on the backing plate. I guess that's the contact point. I haven't done drum brakes in a few decades. I was glad to see four wheel disc brakes become so common. Working with those springs is a pain.
I was thinking of those creaky grease points also.
Yep a proper brake job would include lube on contact points and on the adjuster and parking brake pin. But most techs never do this and think they are doing it correctly when they are in fact not doing it right.
I have always lubed the threads on the adjusters too@@CodycoWeb
Ray that little thingy's name is entirely dependent on how many times you have tried to fit it's spring and washer
I worked with a guy who managed to get the pliers embedded in both eye sockets while pulling on a handbrake cable. Lost one and only had 30% vision in the other. He had no depth of vision but was allowed to keep his driving license !!!
Eric E
Very nice explaination on the brake drum refresh. Thank you Ray!
I made a slot in a flat screwdriver to put springs on like that. Use it for chain saws as well.
I like whatever you do you good job I’m from England, but I drive every day no complaints from me
I was able to click on second part by clicking above on link..thought you might find this info helpful..and yes you did a set of drum brakes i think it was on a 98 something thinking camera?
I hate those spring retainers for the shoes that you have to press and twist until i bought the tool for it. I always ended up fiddling with it for ages until i got them in the right spot and it was getting on my last nerve so i gave in and bought the tool now it's a 5 min job...
They used to rebuild wheel cylinders like they rebuild calipers. The only calipers people rebuild these days are the high performance calipers.
The only way to get a rebuild kit anymore is to order them online. It's definitely become very difficult to fix your own parts and now you end up relying on someone else's reman work of some other person's failed part. It's almost like they make money off you having to fix the same things repeatedly....
They used to repair TVs, household electronics. They used to have TV repair in home. Then came China and made repairs too expensive. Imo.
People who rebuild wheel cylinder are paid twenty dollars a hour, whereas people who build new wheel cylinder get paid ten dollars a hour in China.
I used to rebuild them all the time in the day. Rebuild kit were easy to get.
Super cheap repair, rebuilt them on my IROC years ago when I was still in H.S.
When Ray was doing the rear brakes I was waiting for the other shoe to drop
Great quality car, no leaking, dry bottom,no rust. Question: do you know how to drive a non automatic car ? In Europe most cars are 5 or 6 speed manual. Great job on explaining and fixing the drum brakes. On to the next one.
He does, the tow truck is manual.
Good morning Ray. Fixing up the little Toyota so it can stop again on a dime. You never fully done a drum brake job. I know a Chevy Prisma a couple years ago you thought it would need but you did not need the job. Also about 5 months ago you adjusted the drum brakes on a 2013 Toyota Corolla and brake cleaned them into submission. Don’t forget to have yourself a great day.
ha!! def great advice!! always push dangerous tools away from you.. same applies to usng screwdrivers to push on things you are holding onto.. or utility knives that you honk down on and find that your finger should never be in the potential patch shoul the blade break or screwdriver slip.. as for brakes.. ive always done the needle nose method.. for the longest tme I never knew there was a special tool until I saw someone use one.. I grew up using the vice grip that looks like a needle nose plier to pull those retainers off.. i still hate drum brakes but nevertheless.. the tool *IS* required I found out when doing the brakes on one of my vintage busses.. those psrings are the real deal
Thank you for two hours of wonderful Yaris content.
Damn…. I thought I was finally going to get to see you use the retaining spring tool that I had sent you forever ago! Lol
1. I enjoy your videos immensely don't alter your concept because of me. 2. Trico is actually the company that invented the modern wiper blade, their products are the Standard in windshield products along with Rain X. In my personal estimation. And yes please do introduce your audience to the "quality" of Asian vehicles and how much lower their domestic use products would not sell well in this market.
Going back to the black & white days rebuilding drum brakes, loved the memories.
Would love to see a U.S. Chinesium car, if only to compare with U.K. models. It’s a shame your truck is off the road you could have popped it in the back. 😂
ray ray ray ..reverse honk honk sir....don`t matter if it a 10 min video or a 2 hour video ,,will still watch it..love frrom scotland uk...