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I think brother hamza didn't get his point, the guy was saying that Allahs attributes contradict each other, saying that how can he be self sufficient because he needs mankind to be merciful, what should have been said which was kind off said is that he dosnt need the creation, showing mercy and being self sufficient isn't a contradiction.
shaheen baksh he did say that he said he doesnt understand why hes marrying those attributes. Salams to hamza and the rest of you brothers. From the states.
@hamid mansoor There should be no sects in Islam. The Quran clearly states this. Yet we have so many sects! Ahmadis or Qadianis although according to your link believe in Quran and Sunnah (which is great mashAllah) are not considered Muslims by many countries. The concept of Mahdi is flawed in my opinion as Mirza Ghulam Ahmed was not the real Mahdi so Ahmadis should not follow him. This Ahmadi concept was created in my opinion by the West (especially the UK) to divide the religion.
@hamid mansoor the ahmadis followed a man who claimed he was the next prophet aswell as being God, Maryam and Isa, how can anyone follow this? He's seems more of a minor dajjal through his claims
Using the same logic "being merciful to his daughter before born." Try using work/career instead. I have the ability to become a surgeon. Having a surgery is just to show/apply the ability.
@@DeJass00 he clearly seems to be in a state of false accomplishment and too bedazzled to even realized the hole that he put himself in. He thought that his "arguments" were new probably because he was made aware and convinced by some Christians Evangelist. I hope he realized how stupid this make him looks soon before more people were made aware of this matter so that he can ask this channel to take down this vid before it went viral. The internet can be really cruel.
@@DeathxStrike18 Sweet one its mathematics. God defines himslef. We need not be confused about Him. He has clearly defined in the final revelation. He has told us about far future... I mean eternity too. I think no one can be more merciful than God; that He did not keep us unaware. Wish you best.
Death Strike Gaming God has attributes! He is the creator,,, we are creatures! He doesn’t need us at all to prove his attributes! And Allah didn’t say in Quran he needs us to prove his attributes! He has them whether he created us or not!!!! He can destroy all man kind and create a new line of creatures still attributes are there! He owns these attributes!!!
Good point. If I am a generous person then I have this ability, but if there is no person to benefit from it because I'm living alone in a forest and nobody visits me, it doesn't mean I am not generous.
I think of this example suppose a person is self sufficient and has lots of money let say he has all the resources and don't require any help for money and he lives in a forest and declares that he is fully generous .so the people who are are in need will come him who will ask him for money he will provide the needy. So that person is generous to begin with and if nobody comes to him for help doesn't mean he not generous
Donte Spicer was Jesus christ savior before his creation? If he there was no one to save then how can he be a savior... Kinda like the same thing this debate is about.. Brother Hamza should have said the sane think about GoD of Christianity.. Pick a few attributes like forgiving.. Was god always forgiving? Who did he forgive if he was only with Jesus who was sinless and the holy spirit. But I agree with Br Hamza .. God has the attributes before the creation .. He is only expressing his attribute with his creation.. Kind of like when a mother is loving before she is pregnant and loves the child after its born.. If she wasn’t loving from the beginning then she wouldn’t be able to love the child after.
my advise, draw any point u have not in the head... write or draw the point on the paper. rethink carefully without bias. we will find what Hamza said make more sense...
@@angeladani1971 28:88 And call not, besides Allah, on another god. There is no god but He. Everything (that exists) will perish except His own Face. To Him belongs the Command, and to Him will ye (all) be brought back. ALLAH will destroy everything and the only thing that will remain is his face, he does not need or is need of anything or anyone.
“All Merciful” means that all mercy can be traced back to the “All Merciful” source. Being “All Merciful” does not necessitate that u need an object to be merciful to in infinity past. All we have to ask is “is there mercy in the world?” If the answer is yes, then we can say that ALL mercy is traced back to God. Hence he is All-Merciful. It is not necessary that it be traced back to infinite past, what is necessary is that all mercy that has ever existed be traced back to the “All-Merciful” To say that God “needs” a creation or anything else for that matter would mean God is not Self-Sufficient and hence not Omnipotent. Lastly God can be “All Merciful” even if creation never existed. God would be “All-Merciful” simply because of his ability to be “All-Merciful” You do not have to put into practice your ability for your ability to exist. I can have the ability to climb even if there is nothing in the world for me to climb. Having the ability to do something does not necessitate it having to be put into practice.
You're trying to spin it. You have the ability to climb because you know you have arms, hands, and legs.. already existing. If you were just a mind, without a body, or you were even a paraplegic, you wouldn't have the ability to climb anything, regardless if you believed it or not, and regardless if anything else existed to climb. You cant climb mercy...even if you have both a mind and a working body, with all the matter in the world existing. Mercy is immaterial. Just like you cant have patience without obstacles. You cant have courage without danger, and you cant have compassion or mercy without suffering or the possibility of suffering.
Surely misguided people are the only people you can, or perhaps should, guide. "Little knowledge makes atheists" isn't quite right. It's an acceptance of having little knowledge that makes you an atheist
ALLAH's attributes ( Arrahman Arraheem) has Allways been with him even before his creation. He can be all merciful before he creates anything. Logically nothing against that.
What an absurd postulation. The entire premise of "David's" contention is flawed from a simple logic standpoint. Im not even Muslim but it is absolutely apparent that he is relying on a clumsy use of semantics to blur the issue.If God is all-powerful, it is reasonable to argue that he is not bound by the constraints of time as we finite beings here on Earth are. That said, having CAPACITY for mercy toward creation is not a thing which is affected by the finite concept of time. A normal, healthy man with a fully functioning reproductive system has CAPACITY to father a child, regardless of whether he has done so or not. An omniscient creator likewise has the capacity to offer mercy irrespective of the time in which said provision would be made available by virtue of his Omniscient nature and the fact that the finite perception of time is not something he is bound by. This isnt a religious debate; the way it has been positioned, and one needn't be religious to identify logical incongruence. It's simply an issue of processing logical thought. What I enjoy about this Hamza fellow is that he has mastered the conventions of logical debate to the point that he needn't default to circular "logic", dogma, or self-referencing empty rhetoric to dispel fallacies. I've followed his arguments for over a year and I have yet to hear one iota of a reasonable argument from anyone that actually refutes his claims; not from Sara (joker) not from angry Liz, and not from any convinced Christian who struggles with the history of their own faith.
No thanks needed...In a jungle of hyperbole, theatrics and meaningless semantics, Hamza speaks articulately and with sincerity, above the din of ignorance relying on a logical submission of rational, well-presented talking points. He's correct when he says he never loses, simply from a logic standpoint. He either uncovers logical fallacy and untruth or he learns as much as he teaches. I enjoy his arguments.
Owen Durkin your idea of a healthy man can create a baby idea doesnt work...a healthy man to have a baby has to develop that ability over many years...he wasnt born with the ability
Paul Gibson Mate wake up were talking about GOD here he not bound by time if he. created time. You and me mere human beings only use time . 1 because the earth rotates round its axis once a day eg giving us day and night. 2 we humans all age and eventually will die agree? .so il ask you something what is time if the sun did not exist? time is only needed by man for our life. The all sufficient all merciful was obviously merciful before creation. you ask WHY .1 MAYBE BECAUSE HE MADE HUMANS BORN WITH EYES FOR U TO SEE AROUND YOU SO U CAN FEED.EAT.HOLD LOOK INTO YOUR CHILDS EYES. 2 THE ABBILITY TO LOVE SOME ONE.EG WIFE,CHILD, PARENTS. 3 WATER FOR YOU TO DRINK WITHOUT ARTIFICALLY MAKING COKE A COLA IN A FACTORY LOL. ANIMALS FOR FOOD. TO RIDE FOR TRAVEL U GET WERE IM GOING WITH THIS JUST LOOK AROUND YOU AT THINGS WE GOT GIFTED WITH WITHOUT CREATING OURSELFES. ANY REPLIES AGAINST MY ARGUMENT MOST WELCOME.. MAY ALLAH GUILD NON BELIEVERS OF "THE MOST MERCIFULL.THE SELF SUFFICENT ."
I swear I was face palming and screaming at my screen when they were talking about the mercy on children's part. Lol You can't just be merciful only when you have children, you need to have the ABILITY to be merciful before you show mercy.
Imagine we have such clever and lenient people in the Islamic world like I bet you Islam would have only 1 Muslim because ignorance is dominating in the Arabic world and these dawah gang taking advantage of their ignorance.
Pretty straightforward really. Allah SWT created and is the source of all mercy, therefore his mercy encompasses all things AND he is self sufficient and sustaining. Alhamdulillah
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته ، بارك الله فيكم ، المسالة التي تتحدثون عنها هي قاعدة عند اهل الاسلام في باب الصفات و مقتضاها : الله عز وجل موصوف بصفات الكمال و الجلال قبل وجود اثارها . و المعنى ان صفات الله لا ترتبط باثارها فهي متصلة بذات الاله و لا تتطلب وجود الاثر لظهور الوصف . مثال الله عز وجل من صفاته انه غفور و هي صفة له من قبل ان يوجد ذنب لتظهر صفة المغفرة . تفصيل المسالة في كتب قواعد توحيد الاسماء و الصفات . لعلكم تعودون اليها . سدد الله خطاكم
True.. Because he is over all things competent. The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "When Allah had finished His creation, He wrote over his Throne: 'My Mercy preceded My Anger.'
Attributes are contained within the being and it is put in action when its needed to be applied. u clearly explained it to him in a way that even a layman would understand... you can see from his face that he knew this answer made sense to him because he was getting uneasy when he himself realized the question he asked was easily answered with logic.
Such an attribute implies the existence of the object from the get-go. You can t have this attribute if the object isn t there. That s simple logic. Hamza failed at logics. Miserably.
Austin3;16KOStunner WWEClassics well I don't understand with the Christian theory of Trinity and all that BS... How can a god fuck mary and come out god himself? What kimd logic is that?
@Austin3;16KOStunner WWEClassics that's pathetic theology. by saying God is everywhere, you say he is dependent on space time. Muslims believe Allah is symbolically everywhere but you can't say literally everywhere because God is the creator of space time therefore He is not in any location because He is the Creator of locations. what pathetic theology you have. the Muslim follow the truth
@Tyron Prinsloo Well a lot of the other things that people took as gods were statues and idols. They can be destroyed to rubble. That one fact on itself shows they are not God. Allah is Arabic for God or The God. Same God as in Judaism and Christianity (unless your the Christian that believes Jesus is god as Muslims and Jews don't believe that). Allah or God is neither begotten nor has any partners or begets. Neither Sleep overcomes Him and He is unstoppable. That's why Allah is the only true God.
@@tyronprinsloo3575 this very easy to answer, the only god that gave us proof and the only one that we didnt create, many gods are fiction because everyone has the instinct to believe in One God in times of need so thats proof that people who didnt get the message of Allah throughout history were making thier own gods knowing a higher power exists
Because it was a new ideology to them, there was no backgroung that support the establishment of Islam religion, another issue is Mohammad is the only witness for his revelation, there is not prophecy as evidencee to support his prophethood, third, Mohammad wanted to kill himself as a results of receiving revelation.....there had no prophets of MIGHTY GOD who met angels and became feared like mohammad, no one wanted to kill himself just because angel met him, its only mohammad, this make him believed as a false prophet, because his revelation is not supported by prophecies or other witnesses.
Before mankind there were jinns on the earth but they caused corruption in the land so the Satan (iblis) fought with the angels and drove them away in the 🌊 sea. This debate could have been more beneficial if the guy would ask other questions
God had the ability to be merciful. He used that ability when he created his creation. He doesn't need to be merciful. The creation seeks his mercy. This ability and others are intrinsic to him. The Christian guy couldn't get his head around this concept.
Bismillah... First of all i want to say alhamdulillah, that Allah revealed for us through this EF Dawah content, to give a clear understanding that this guy David has showed a remarkable ignorance toward his way of thinking from one eyed view of life (for my moeslim's brother and sister maybe already knew my point). This thing can only be occur because of the individual intentions before doing an action. But what he didn't realised that, when he pointed one of Allah 99 attributes 'Al-Aziz', at that time David has already been lost. Because if some person with an evil intentions to humiliate Allah, islam, and Rasulullah S.A.W, then the evil within that individual will burn, then fleeing, in a most painfull way and leaving that person behind. And Allah will make that arrow of falsehood coming back at that person.
The Qur’ans opening verse is “In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.” Then Chapter 1, verse 3 says”The Gracious, the Merciful..”. That was before any creation...
Well, the main problem this gentlemen isn't understanding is that *attributes exist before actions.* For example: "A brave man attacked the lion and rushed to save his friends" This man didn't *become* brave by attacking the lion and saving his friends but *was* brave since *his bravery is what allowed him to do such thing.* So understanding this philosophical concept allows us to conclude that "God being merciful before showing mercy" is true.
Your a idiot how did he know he was brave if he didn't rush to save his friend. Like when people does something brave they tell themselves " wow I didn't know I was that brave" so therefore that attributes "brave" only existed after the action
you still have the ability to show compassion, mercy, forgiveness, without having something to intact those abilities on, these abilities are inherent and do not rely upon or depend on whether or not there is something to intact these abilities.
Dumb conundrum. Allah created Earth and the Heavens and resources in them for humans and animals before creating human beings and animal. That's why God is self sufficient and merciful towards his creations without requiring them.
you do not rely on anyone to have an attribute you just rely on someone only to prove it, very simple argument took so long due to ignorance .. hes all merciful .. always has been and will always be .. we happen to experience it thats it.. a father is merciful before his children are born they experience his mercy when they are.. its an attribute always existed in him ..the experience just proved it for us .. god needs to prove to no one he states the facts
No, he meant you have eyes in a pitch dark room , but you need light to see something, you need some thing, so that means you are not self sufficient , understand ?
@SyKi HIT if you have never shown mercy to anyone how can you be merciful ? And even if you're merciful you need someone to prove your mercy, regardless god, , if not good either boast about being merciful and give e example that he's merciful and forgives .
a simple answer to this is that how can allah be merciful to his creation if he didnt have that trait from before. It is like when you hamza brought the example of having mercy upon your children as how can you have mercy upon them if you didnt have that trait from before. Allah is most merciful and the self sufficient and they both come together without any nonsense alhamdolilah.
Ok so this is what i understood from David: Allah is Most Merciful, and in order to be so He needs Creation, as without created things there is nothing to show Mercy. Therefore he calls this as a "reliance" on something, therefore negating Allahs other name called The Self Sufficient (understood to be without relying on anything at all). He sees that as a contradiction. Its a decent question but easily dismissed by saying: even without any Creation at all, that is nothing besides Allah, Allah is still the Most Merciful, for who else or what else is there besdies Allah in that scenario? It is only Allah. In fact more so. He is the Only Merciful and therefore still The Most Merciful. Therefore there is no contradiction as there is no "reliance" on created things for God to be what He is. Allah always was.
I love what just happened here because hamza acts like he is just too smart for his own good but he is really a blind fool. When he is at the end of his crossroads he will know the truth.
if all creation of god was to seize existing, does that mean god's ability to be merciful will disappear? No, it won't. Allah will still be the most merciful.
The problem Hazma is having is that Hazma doesn’t understand self sufficient. Allah can’t be most merciful if there is nothing to be merciful to or with. A creation has to be created and exist for Allah to merciful to. It’s simple
obviuosly if are able to show mercy/take care of ther childrens not necessarily yours then that means ye u can do same to your childs! but i dnno what the point of asking such questions as this lol
No hamza is wrong and so are you he is wrong cause theres million kids born without a fathere and they canot show mercy to the children because they are not there
@@vasilios80able my father lost his daddy at a very young age yet he had toward us so much mercy and love u should understand that this is values are within us no matter what happens which means they are created within us !
yes, maybe that is about yourself, but most of muslims they don't think about if they have the ability to care children before they get them, but they will get children because their allah ( God ) wants that
He's issue is on time, becouse time does not exist in the place where Allah is.. so for him he is first and last. Always was and always will be.. poeple misunderstand is when they think about time and get confused. If there is no time there, so question will be irrelevant.
“Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.” (Isaiah 13:15-16)
What David is saying that since Allah couldn't have shown his mercy before the creation of man that he couldn't have had the ability of being Most-Merciful(Ar-Rahim) before this. The flaw with this claim is that he is limiting the intellect and cognitive abilities(i am not sure if this is the right word for what i'm trying to say) of Allah to that of man. Brother Hamza should have continued the point about whether one can know that they can be a good parent without actually having a child a bit more. When David said that you can not he was thinking of God in the level of a human. Men need experience and proof to identify certain abilities about themselves, in this senario lets say the child did something wrong and whether the parent could muster himself to forgive his child would determine whether he had the ability to be merciful. But Allah does not have such limits. To further illustrate this lets take the examples of animals and human. Animals have some survival instincts/characteristics/abilities which would help them survive but they do not understand how they have such abilities eg. when faced with danger they would know that they have to run but they do not know why/how they know that they have to run. Humans on the other hand have a better understanding of why/how they have certain traits(this is what i meant by cognitive abilities) and this is through experiences. The experiences would be a source of knowledge for them to identify certain traits about themselves. But Allah IS the source of all knowledge as one of his names is Al-'Alim: The All-Knowing One The Knowledgeable; The One nothing is absent from His knowledge. So Allah will obviously not need the help of experiences to determine his characteristics. He would already have known that he possesses the ability to forgive the mistakes of his creation so title of Ar-Rahim( The Merciful, He who acts with extreme kindness) would be applicable even before He created men. He is both Self-Sufficient as he does not need men to prove to himself that he is Most-Merciful. Even if he did not create men he would still know that he has this ability to show mercy and that His mercy would exceed anyone else.
why couldn't he show mercy before, Allah has created before us Djinn and Angels and lifeforms before them that you have not heard of, and Allah has stated in the quran that we are not the greatest of his creation citing that something even greater will come after us, the day of judgement will be the end of Humanity, Jinn and Angels and the end of the current realm that we as 3 different species coexist in together, Allah will not stop creating after us, another realm will be made and a better creation is in the works, we are just a footnote in creation, he is and has always and will always be the Al rahamn the most merciful.
He can send you to non existence. You will be where you asked for. But if you mean you still want to remain in existence and on the same time out of his jurisdiction, it is as saying can God do what he can't do? And that doesn't show his inability but shows a foolish question kind of lol God can do godly things that befit his majesty. He is the creator so he can't become a creation. Or can he build a wall which he cannot jump over. Lol. Come on bro we are only fooling ourselves like this. I have seen this movie before by the way lol
The question is in at itself completely irrational. David is confusing the two attributes of Allah as contradictory for some odd reason. Being self-sufficient means being emotionally and physically independent without need of outside help so no food no water no sleep etc. He does not NEED to be merciful to anyone. Its only one of his attributes. Using Hamza's example, the man is already known to be merciful and kind to people (it's one of his attributes), therefore naturally we assume that when he does have children he will be merciful to them. Again, it's NOT a requirement of Allah to be most-merciful, its only an attribute. In conclusion, Allah being most-merciful does not contradict him being self-sufficient. I hope I clarified it enough.
Rizraz True God does not need anything outside of Himself in order to sustain Himself. He is the Self Existing God who dwells in eternity. Heaven is His throne and the earth is His footstool. However, God acts out of who He is; not out of who He is not. He cannot be anything other than He is. If He is all merciful, He will show mercy according to His mercy and His justice. and He loves to show mercy to the merciful and also to those who reject Him so that they may turn to Him completely. The prophet Jeremiah said, " It is by the kindnesses of Jehovah that we are not consumed, for His mercies are not ended. They are new by mornings; great is Your faithfulness." Lamentations 3:22, 23. God's mercies to mankind are abundant and ever new. He loves to be Himself and show His mercies extravagantly. And He does so that they may fear Him adn love Him all their days. Jesus - Yeshua, said (Mat 5:7) "Blessed are the merciful! For they shall obtain mercy." Many people cried out as Jesus was passing through their town, saying, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David;". Every one who called out to Him, to them He showed His mercy, which thing His Father in Heaven commanded Him to do. God loves because He is love. God Judges because he is the Judge of all the earth. He judges in righeousness because he is righteous. God never acts as a man acts - in faithlessness, without love or mercy or justice, or holiness. God is not a man that He should lie. Nor is He a child of Adam that He must repent for any wrong doing. It is true that God is Self sufficient. But again, in faithfulness He acts, because of who He is - faithful. Jesus Christ has a name in Heaven - "These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful." Revelation 17:14 "Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples; And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!" John 1:35, 36 "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." Revelation 19:11-16 . Blessed be the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, forever and ever. I have found Him who my soul loves.
God is a God who gives freely. He had in His heart to make a creation in His own image and likeness, and to give them some delegated authority and power to rule over all lesser created things. He also had prepared a way so that they - we, could enjoy His presence forever, if we would simply be obedient to Him who is all wise and loving, and who has all knowledge and understanding. He even had you in mind Fisher of men. And it is His desire that you also may share in his glory and eternal riches; riches and glory that kings could not even dream of. The way into that eternal realm is through Jesus Christ alone. If you have not already done so - call upn His name in truth from the depths of your being. He will deliver you by His great and mighty hand. And when you find Him who is sweeter than honey, you will understand or begin to understand why He has created humans. Acts 2:38 Acts 4:12
3lite. To be aggressive means....either to hit someone, or to push someone, or to shout abusive/insulting words to someone. None of this was done in this video by both the debaters. ...Islam/Salaam = True Peace for all...❤
If light moves through void (no one can see it), but does that mean it's not there? When god is merciful to his creatures the only thing that happens is that God's mercy is witnessed/observed by other beings, it doesn't mark its genesis nor does it mean that god needed his creatures in order to be merciful (it is the perception of that mercy that is realized in that case)...we need an object to reflect light to our eyes...but light doesn't need an object to reflect it, bcz light already is...the object only proves its essence to an observer (not to light itself & also it does not make light what it is...cuz light in this sense has always been illuminating and when it met an object and its quality was manifested it was manifested to the observer...cuz light doesn't need to prove that it is what it is)
To elaborate there's no sense of urgency or need in this case from the part of light cuz whether it meets an object or not that doesn't affect it or diminish it (bcz if no one is there to see it...it doesn't need to use its ability to illuminate and if there's someone there it still doesn't need to do that.....it is that 'someone' that needs it).
The Most Merciful He doesnt need his creation, to be the most merciful He is the most merciful to his creation The lack of a creation does not diminish or increase his Mercifulness
I personally do not discuss the Attributes of Allah SWT with anyone on Street Dawah if the person does not believe in Allah SWT. It makes no sense. But these people want to discuss everything, tiny details etc without starting from the top i.e Tauheed. What is the point of wasting time with him on Attributes if he does not believe in Allah SWT
Yet us Christians and Jew's your supposed to kill us where you find us Isis takes your White slave owner prophet but he e eventually got poisoned. By a Jewish women the real Jesus was without sin he rose from the dead Mohammed would have started war allah/Satan says allah blesses a just war your imams twist everything
This guy did a good homework Hamza ! but he might not have realized that this topic has been studied in Islam for centuries and in 99% of books of Kalam/Faith. I will try to help and touch upon some points regarding Allah's attributes (Attributes = Sifat صفات): 1- God's attributes are not all at the same level, some of them are needed and "necessary", "essential" as part of Allah being the true God. Some other attributes are "secondary" and "dependent" on those "essential" attributes 2- Some attributes can not be understood in human mind when there are no creation. Scholars call these attributes as Mutaaddy (متعديه) or/VS Lazim (لازمه) 3- necessary attributes existed actually and 4- here are the necessary attributes: - "Existence" is a mandatory attribute of Allah, - "Alive" is another one, - "Knowledge" = all-knowing, - "capability" attribute = all-capable, - "willing" attribute = all-willing, - "communication" attribute(s) = hearing + seeing + talking (not thru sensors of course ... ) 5- here are examples of the secondary attributes: - "creation" attribute means Allah created things. u can see this attribute depends on the following necessary attributes: Allah is all-capable and all-knowing of creating and he actually demonstrated that thru his "all-willing to create" attribute. At that moment, we as humans understood that Allah is a creator. The fact that he is capable and all-knowing and willing to create is enough. The understanding of the word "creator" meaning in our minds is not needed for allah to prove he is self-sustained because that is already covered thru the necessary attributes. - "merciful" attribute = Rahman and Raheem, the same concept applies. Allah is capable of having mercy on his creation, he knows he is capable and he willed to create things and to show his mercy. When the mercy is demonstrated to us, we understand that Allah is merciful. so the meaning of mercy and its association with Allah existed in human minds when we saw it. this has nothing to do with Allah being dependent on creation. The fact is Allah is capable and he knows he is capable and he willed to do something is enough. When humans acknowledge that fact, we are not giving Allah anything new that he did not have already. The secondary attributes exist because of the necessary attributes and when they are applied/exercised by Allah, the meaning comes to our minds and it proves that God has this attribute, but does not give him a new attribute that he did not have before. Hamza - you tried to explain in a very good way, I am sure many muslims were able to follow your statements without a problem. But it would be helpful if you could go a little slower on these questions because you are explaining to thousands and sometimes millions of muslims and non-muslims who are probably not aware of these discussions in Islamic literature.
That's why am seeing that you religious people, you are worshipping something you can't fully understand. You are playing with force beyond your comprehension.
Where does MERCY come from?, you must have foreknowledge to produce the emotion of mercy. Thus, Allah SWT has the foreknowledge and knows what mercy is, and this he grants to his creation both human and animals and everything else. Hence, He SWT has always been merciful and as He says,” My mercy overcomes my wrath”.
Well hes just an ordinary guy not God and hes striving to bring people closer to guidance. But some people come up with stupid questions with their minds made up that they will do whatever they can to trap him, and even if he answers that question they will never accept that and will keep beating around the Bush. He answered that question quite beautifully and for people like me that was enough. But ego of ignorant people like the one in the video will never let them accept. You can clearly see on his face that smile and attitude he wasn't there to learn.
Let's make it a bit more simple. Like you are going to an area where weapons are not allowed. And you have a weapon but as you have not used it yet so you can tell the security that you don't have any because you have not used it, and they must let you enter according to the Christian man.
Zahir Shah ur religion was created by Catholic doctrines when khadjas cousin who was a Christian hahaha do ur research and come out of a false religion who was created 700 hundred years after Jesus was killed???you Muslims believe Jesus came from a virgin woman who is sent by god did all these miracles created the biggest realign in the world bt failed in his mission so god had to choose a man who had no known background who was living in a cave was given the words in the quran by jibrial.he never ever spoke directly to god!!!plz do research muhammed married his sons wife and was marrying children!! Muhammed compared to jesus not even close jesus is holy muhammed is a false prophet
To summarize what s the argument is all about: Can God be said self sufficient if He needs human to be merciful? Human always try to understand the Creator from the context of His creation. He gives, He loves, He needs and he shows mercy. That s what makes them stucked in this loop of confusion.
Surah Ar Rahman reveals the context of being All Gracious from Allah s perspective, and by reading it we know how it is impossible to even question His capacity.
I like this young man, he doesn't seem arrogant or anything like that, he definitely comes across well, but i have seen him in a couple of debates and he seems to lack basic common sense, i don't mean to be rude to him, maybe if i was under the pressure of being filmed at speakers corner i would talk nonsense too, i hope he watches these debates back, no matter your belief system, you should be able to understand basic concepts and make reasonable arguments, Hamza's point about God possessing a certain quality regardless of his creation of mankind, is an extremely simplistic and obvious point to make, you do not have to demonstrate a certain quality to possess it, i can't understand why this was so confusing, even us human beings have certain abilities and qualities prior to them being demonstrated... i feel like Christians ( i am from a christian background) spend a lot of time preaching, but not much thinking and learning and that seems to be evident from their speech and debates, they tend to trip up over the smallest of concepts, but then still its nice to see a polite young man.... i'm not sure if that women in white was his friend etc, but if she is, then who he is hanging around with might be one of the reasons behind his great confusion, 'Thats the reason i'm not Muslim' well that is a bigoted comment if ever i heard one, if you already have prejudice towards a certain group of people, there is a great likelihood that your prejudice will distort your common sense, david your better then that, what i seem to see from Muslim vs Christians, is that if Muslims find something the go not understand etc, they will check etc but Christians dont seem to do that why? they seem to just carry on saying things that make no sense and never really reflect its all very strange...
Bena serbast exactly Its a mercy that God created man thus that is a demonstration of his mercy which has always been who God is which is merciful. God doesnt need to create to be what he already is which is merciful.
Bena serbast Im a christian and the question from david was very silly and easily countered. God doesnt need to create in order for his attribute of been mercyful to be true because in creating that mercy is demonstrated plus been mercful is an attribute he has always had that is demonstrated in creation. Self sufficient means he can be mercuful without creation because he is self sufficient. I agree with hamza.
Bena serbast m8 u r right I was thinking about that through the video and forgot to comment it. The fact that God made human beings means he has mercy and that means he had mercy before human beings.
@@Keynotes13 he was talking about the capacity to have mercy to 'someone', I realized Hamza couldn't probably articulate it to David but basically assuming you're a regular person, you have the ability to run on a 100 m track even if you're sitting at home. You don't need that track to be in front of you and actually do the action to confirm your ability to run 100 m. Same way someone has the capacity to be merciful to children even if they don't have children, I'm sure you've heard the saying "he would make a great father"..... So same thing, it's because whoever this person is probably has the traits befitting a person that would be a great father to their potential children. So there's no problems here, I don't even know why David brought this as a point, smh.
I think I see where David is mistaken and I reckon a good way to help him understand this is for him to look at it this way: God is self-sufficient, but given that he has creations, he is all-merciful towards them. God has the same attributes with or without creation and is not dependent on his creation to have the attribute, but the adjective to describe God (all-merciful) depends on whether or not there is a creation, which there is, therefore allowing this adjective (not the attribute which always exists) to manifest itself.
My question to the christian guy is this? Could we have known that god is merciful if he hadn't created us? Cuz that's the lvl of absurdity you are presenting. Cuz if god is essentially merciful...by creating us to whom is he proving his ability to be merciful ?
This argument is so weak "before" he created his creation (meaning god) It just like you say time begins before god. Time is just one thing of his creation. God Allah created time so time does not apply to him, So if he needs to be all merciful he needs to create his creation at the same "time" with him that leads to the beginning of god but that's contradict that we believe he Allah created every thing "including time". Fallacies. He is self sufficient he knows everything so he knows he is the all merciful.
I think what David fails to understand is all these attributes of Allah have always been there. When we say Allah is all merciful it’s with him and when we his creation needs it he shows it 2 us. Even if I say I agree with him to Allah needs his creation to show his mercy it doesn’t contradict with the fact that he is All self sufficient because mercy is it a character he has in him and shows it when it’s needed but it’s still part of his character. We humans can also show mercy to each other and to other creation of Allah but he is the most merciful but I show mercy to people when they are in need of my mercy but when they don’t need it I don’t show it,but it’s still there in me as my character ready to be used when needed.
I am in university and I chose this path because I think it is within my strengths to teach. How does me, not actually teaching quite yet, downgrade the ability to be a good teacher? A strong man, can not be strong without using his strengths? Such a ridiculous point. But the ignorance is strong on this one. May Allah guide him to the truth.
@@nasreddinechajaadine6441 that is why in Gen 1 we the God, the word and the Holy spirit so the love was share among them God dont his creation to love
The most beautiful answer that I ever heard from Hamza, only if you could giving us a better answer that would be great, otherwise you have to keep your mouth shut its better for you
Alex Stop i think he did answer the question. His point is that god does NOT need to be merciful but he is. Him not needing to be merciful allows him to be self sufficient. But david kept repeating the question and basically saying that his answer wasnt good enough.
الأنعام الآية 54 | وإذا جاءك الذين يؤمنون بآياتنا فقل سلام عليكم ۖ كتب ربكم على نفسه الرحمة ۖ أنه من عمل منكم سوءا بجهالة ثم تاب من بعده وأصلح فأنه غفور رحيم
Hamza got owned and his patronising attitude was in full flow. At the end David asks a simple question to which Hamza answers yes then no 🤣🤣🤣, he then tries to deflect about Christianity. Hamzas worst day at the office ever.
Simple concept ...the love mercy is inside when the time comes it will comes in role..simple concept...numbskulls just want to talk bad about islam ...don't want to accept truth
Having a ability to do something doesn’t mean you use the ability. For example if I have the ability to be kind that doesn’t mean I need someone to ‘use’ it on. Pleas correct me if I didn’t get what he mean I’m still learning.
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I think brother hamza didn't get his point, the guy was saying that Allahs attributes contradict each other, saying that how can he be self sufficient because he needs mankind to be merciful, what should have been said which was kind off said is that he dosnt need the creation, showing mercy and being self sufficient isn't a contradiction.
I think he layed that out clearly enough. The Christian was just being arrogant or trying to be clever, it's obvious.
shaheen baksh he did say that he said he doesnt understand why hes marrying those attributes. Salams to hamza and the rest of you brothers. From the states.
Brother hamza cracks me up he said his problem is hes been googling a little bit too much
“I never lose; I either win or learn”.
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"I never lose, I either win or get emotional"
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@hamid mansoor Sorry, but I don't believe Ahmadis are Muslims. There is no such thing as Ahmadi Muslims.
@hamid mansoor There should be no sects in Islam. The Quran clearly states this. Yet we have so many sects! Ahmadis or Qadianis although according to your link believe in Quran and Sunnah (which is great mashAllah) are not considered Muslims by many countries. The concept of Mahdi is flawed in my opinion as Mirza Ghulam Ahmed was not the real Mahdi so Ahmadis should not follow him. This Ahmadi concept was created in my opinion by the West (especially the UK) to divide the religion.
@hamid mansoor the ahmadis followed a man who claimed he was the next prophet aswell as being God, Maryam and Isa, how can anyone follow this? He's seems more of a minor dajjal through his claims
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Using the same logic "being merciful to his daughter before born." Try using work/career instead. I have the ability to become a surgeon. Having a surgery is just to show/apply the ability.
Is he even English? English is my second language and I can understand this perfectly.
@@incineratorium, English is my second language too. P:
@@incineratorium, but the guy probably in denial, because he use "merciful." So I think better use a different term/situation.
@@DeJass00 he clearly seems to be in a state of false accomplishment and too bedazzled to even realized the hole that he put himself in. He thought that his "arguments" were new probably because he was made aware and convinced by some Christians Evangelist. I hope he realized how stupid this make him looks soon before more people were made aware of this matter so that he can ask this channel to take down this vid before it went viral. The internet can be really cruel.
Can you have the ability to be a surgeon if surgeons don’t exist?
David said GOD needs a creation to be merciful. Once you use the term ‘needs’ then he is not GOD.
Yes! The answer!
Humans need
And God Provides
Fine God created us that he may provide mercy, You cant be merciful on yourself it's an attribute that acts apon another it's something Given.
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Sweet one its mathematics.
God defines himslef. We need not be confused about Him.
He has clearly defined in the final revelation.
He has told us about far future... I mean eternity too.
I think no one can be more merciful than God; that He did not keep us unaware.
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God has attributes! He is the creator,,, we are creatures! He doesn’t need us at all to prove his attributes! And Allah didn’t say in Quran he needs us to prove his attributes! He has them whether he created us or not!!!! He can destroy all man kind and create a new line of creatures still attributes are there! He owns these attributes!!!
Not intently, when you use the word "Needs". It makes sense, STOP BEING IGNORANT open your ears
If I create a container, it has the "capacity" to hold the water. I don't have to pour water in it to make it to be able to be hold water.
Good point. If I am a generous person then I have this ability, but if there is no person to benefit from it because I'm living alone in a forest and nobody visits me, it doesn't mean I am not generous.
I think of this example suppose a person is self sufficient and has lots of money let say he has all the resources and don't require any help for money and he lives in a forest and declares that he is fully generous .so the people who are are in need will come him who will ask him for money he will provide the needy. So that person is generous to begin with and if nobody comes to him for help doesn't mean he not generous
Jesus Christ is Lord and savior.
Donte Spicer was Jesus christ savior before his creation? If he there was no one to save then how can he be a savior... Kinda like the same thing this debate is about.. Brother Hamza should have said the sane think about GoD of Christianity.. Pick a few attributes like forgiving.. Was god always forgiving? Who did he forgive if he was only with Jesus who was sinless and the holy spirit. But I agree with Br Hamza .. God has the attributes before the creation .. He is only expressing his attribute with his creation.. Kind of like when a mother is loving before she is pregnant and loves the child after its born.. If she wasn’t loving from the beginning then she wouldn’t be able to love the child after.
my advise, draw any point u have not in the head... write or draw the point on the paper. rethink carefully without bias. we will find what Hamza said make more sense...
Mercy is one of God's attributes with or without the creation..he is what he is
ًSome youtuber true.
He shows it through his creation
@@angeladani1971 28:88 And call not, besides Allah, on another god. There is no god but He. Everything (that exists) will perish except His own Face. To Him belongs the Command, and to Him will ye (all) be brought back.
ALLAH will destroy everything and the only thing that will remain is his face, he does not need or is need of anything or anyone.
Well some minds are so complicated to the point that they can't get such a simple concept.
@@angeladani1971 u can't show something that didn't already exist. Honestly he used some low iq anti Islam argument.
“All Merciful” means that all mercy can be traced back to the “All Merciful” source. Being “All Merciful” does not necessitate that u need an object to be merciful to in infinity past.
All we have to ask is “is there mercy in the world?” If the answer is yes, then we can say that ALL mercy is traced back to God. Hence he is All-Merciful. It is not necessary that it be traced back to infinite past, what is necessary is that all mercy that has ever existed be traced back to the “All-Merciful”
To say that God “needs” a creation or anything else for that matter would mean God is not Self-Sufficient and hence not Omnipotent.
Lastly God can be “All Merciful” even if creation never existed. God would be “All-Merciful” simply because of his ability to be “All-Merciful” You do not have to put into practice your ability for your ability to exist. I can have the ability to climb even if there is nothing in the world for me to climb. Having the ability to do something does not necessitate it having to be put into practice.
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You're trying to spin it. You have the ability to climb because you know you have arms, hands, and legs.. already existing. If you were just a mind, without a body, or you were even a paraplegic, you wouldn't have the ability to climb anything, regardless if you believed it or not, and regardless if anything else existed to climb. You cant climb mercy...even if you have both a mind and a working body, with all the matter in the world existing. Mercy is immaterial. Just like you cant have patience without obstacles. You cant have courage without danger, and you cant have compassion or mercy without suffering or the possibility of suffering.
@@gregariousguru which of the attributes of God are material?
u canot guide those who are misguided. Zakir naik once quoted "little knowledge makes atheists"
hamid mansoor wa u tryna do with ur false prophet who died of painful death😂
AB- HDGamer clearly ur the one who is misguided
K Malik who the false prophet Indian guy?
Surely misguided people are the only people you can, or perhaps should, guide. "Little knowledge makes atheists" isn't quite right. It's an acceptance of having little knowledge that makes you an atheist
Zakir Naik is a lying moron.
ALLAH's attributes ( Arrahman Arraheem) has Allways been with him even before his creation.
He can be all merciful before he creates anything. Logically nothing against that.
What an absurd postulation. The entire premise of "David's" contention is flawed from a simple logic standpoint. Im not even Muslim but it is absolutely apparent that he is relying on a clumsy use of semantics to blur the issue.If God is all-powerful, it is reasonable to argue that he is not bound by the constraints of time as we finite beings here on Earth are. That said, having CAPACITY for mercy toward creation is not a thing which is affected by the finite concept of time. A normal, healthy man with a fully functioning reproductive system has CAPACITY to father a child, regardless of whether he has done so or not. An omniscient creator likewise has the capacity to offer mercy irrespective of the time in which said provision would be made available by virtue of his Omniscient nature and the fact that the finite perception of time is not something he is bound by. This isnt a religious debate; the way it has been positioned, and one needn't be religious to identify logical incongruence. It's simply an issue of processing logical thought. What I enjoy about this Hamza fellow is that he has mastered the conventions of logical debate to the point that he needn't default to circular "logic", dogma, or self-referencing empty rhetoric to dispel fallacies. I've followed his arguments for over a year and I have yet to hear one iota of a reasonable argument from anyone that actually refutes his claims; not from Sara (joker) not from angry Liz, and not from any convinced Christian who struggles with the history of their own faith.
Owen Durkin , thank you for your kind words and honesty :)
No thanks needed...In a jungle of hyperbole, theatrics and meaningless semantics, Hamza speaks articulately and with sincerity, above the din of ignorance relying on a logical submission of rational, well-presented talking points. He's correct when he says he never loses, simply from a logic standpoint. He either uncovers logical fallacy and untruth or he learns as much as he teaches. I enjoy his arguments.
Owen Durkin your idea of a healthy man can create a baby idea doesnt work...a healthy man to have a baby has to develop that ability over many years...he wasnt born with the ability
you seem like a great guy. i hope u accept islam and that allah guides you.
Paul Gibson Mate wake up were talking about GOD here he not bound by time if he. created time. You and me mere human beings only use time . 1 because the earth rotates round its axis once a day eg giving us day and night. 2 we humans all age and eventually will die agree? .so il ask you something what is time if the sun did not exist? time is only needed by man for our life. The all sufficient all merciful was obviously merciful before creation.
you ask WHY .1 MAYBE BECAUSE HE MADE HUMANS BORN WITH EYES FOR U TO SEE AROUND YOU SO U CAN FEED.EAT.HOLD LOOK INTO YOUR CHILDS EYES. 2 THE ABBILITY TO LOVE SOME ONE.EG WIFE,CHILD, PARENTS.
3 WATER FOR YOU TO DRINK WITHOUT ARTIFICALLY MAKING COKE A COLA IN A FACTORY LOL. ANIMALS FOR FOOD. TO RIDE FOR TRAVEL U GET WERE IM GOING WITH THIS JUST LOOK AROUND YOU AT THINGS WE GOT GIFTED WITH WITHOUT CREATING OURSELFES. ANY REPLIES AGAINST MY ARGUMENT MOST WELCOME.. MAY ALLAH GUILD NON BELIEVERS OF "THE MOST MERCIFULL.THE SELF SUFFICENT ."
I swear I was face palming and screaming at my screen when they were talking about the mercy on children's part. Lol You can't just be merciful only when you have children, you need to have the ABILITY to be merciful before you show mercy.
true, showing mercy is just the manifestation of that ability.
What is mercy
oh no, ur poor kids..
Imagine we have such clever and lenient people in the Islamic world like I bet you Islam would have only 1 Muslim because ignorance is dominating in the Arabic world and these dawah gang taking advantage of their ignorance.
Pretty straightforward really. Allah SWT created and is the source of all mercy, therefore his mercy encompasses all things AND he is self sufficient and sustaining. Alhamdulillah
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته ، بارك الله فيكم ، المسالة التي تتحدثون عنها هي قاعدة عند اهل الاسلام في باب الصفات و مقتضاها : الله عز وجل موصوف بصفات الكمال و الجلال قبل وجود اثارها . و المعنى ان صفات الله لا ترتبط باثارها فهي متصلة بذات الاله و لا تتطلب وجود الاثر لظهور الوصف . مثال الله عز وجل من صفاته انه غفور و هي صفة له من قبل ان يوجد ذنب لتظهر صفة المغفرة . تفصيل المسالة في كتب قواعد توحيد الاسماء و الصفات . لعلكم تعودون اليها . سدد الله خطاكم
نعم الله عز وجل موصوف بصفات الكمال والحلال قبل وجود أثارها لان الله عز وجل سبق في علمه وقوع أثارها فالله عليم بعلمه يتحقق اثر صفاته والله اعلم
You should tell him allah is before and after.. no matter of time or where with him (subhanah)
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Capitalize the First a in Allah, always
That would be a complete lie though wouldn't it.... Because he's made up.
Ur bullah is just a stone
Ur bullah is just a stone
brother hamza,
I think you might find the answer in this verse of surah Al an'am (5:54)
"....Your Lord has decreed upon Himself mercy..."
It is (6.54) brother
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Sunan al nasai 3411??
True.. Because he is over all things competent.
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "When Allah had finished His creation, He wrote over his Throne: 'My Mercy preceded My Anger.'
@@salmaalkhanjari2141 Allah created everything whattt..... When did he enter his creation... It's Condredict
Attributes are contained within the being and it is put in action when its needed to be applied. u clearly explained it to him in a way that even a layman would understand... you can see from his face that he knew this answer made sense to him because he was getting uneasy when he himself realized the question he asked was easily answered with logic.
Such an attribute implies the existence of the object from the get-go. You can t have this attribute if the object isn t there. That s simple logic. Hamza failed at logics. Miserably.
@@ancadan9935 for you maybe because you are one of them...just like him you don't have a logical understanding.
@@mohamednaseer9167 you and logic simply do not intersect.
What he’s getting confused about is the word “need.” The creator doesn’t “need” to be merciful. The mercy is for the benefit of creation.
Trust me the creator have needs. But it's not really what you think.
@@tonydixon25 Creator doesn't have needs and no I won't trust you. lol
@@CountChocula-on9ix If the creator didn't have needs, he wouldn't be able to create the universe.
@@CountChocula-on9ix damn Tony shut u down😂
@@calebellevold6518no he didn't, he made a stupid claim
Problem with David : He thinks God is a Programmed Robot.
Austin3;16KOStunner WWEClassics well I don't understand with the Christian theory of Trinity and all that BS... How can a god fuck mary and come out god himself? What kimd logic is that?
jamil1985 well science does say now we are living in a simulation.
@Austin3;16KOStunner WWEClassics that's pathetic theology. by saying God is everywhere, you say he is dependent on space time. Muslims believe Allah is symbolically everywhere but you can't say literally everywhere because God is the creator of space time therefore He is not in any location because He is the Creator of locations. what pathetic theology you have. the Muslim follow the truth
hahahahahhahaaha i like that one im dead hahahaha
@Austin3;16KOStunner WWEClassics your God died...how weak is that?
I can only imagine how hard it was for the prophets to convince people to believe in Allah.
@Tyron Prinsloo Well a lot of the other things that people took as gods were statues and idols. They can be destroyed to rubble. That one fact on itself shows they are not God.
Allah is Arabic for God or The God. Same God as in Judaism and Christianity (unless your the Christian that believes Jesus is god as Muslims and Jews don't believe that).
Allah or God is neither begotten nor has any partners or begets. Neither Sleep overcomes Him and He is unstoppable.
That's why Allah is the only true God.
Since the were riding the coat tails of Christianity I don't think it would of been that hard
@@tyronprinsloo3575 this very easy to answer, the only god that gave us proof and the only one that we didnt create, many gods are fiction because everyone has the instinct to believe in One God in times of need so thats proof that people who didnt get the message of Allah throughout history were making thier own gods knowing a higher power exists
Because it was a new ideology to them, there was no backgroung that support the establishment of Islam religion, another issue is Mohammad is the only witness for his revelation, there is not prophecy as evidencee to support his prophethood, third, Mohammad wanted to kill himself as a results of receiving revelation.....there had no prophets of MIGHTY GOD who met angels and became feared like mohammad, no one wanted to kill himself just because angel met him, its only mohammad, this make him believed as a false prophet, because his revelation is not supported by prophecies or other witnesses.
It was difficult in Mecca, that is why he moved to Medina. No?
He says "Learn me!! " instead of "teach me" .. How can we expect him to understand anything after that!?
It's just slang like I know I should say I want something but I say me want sometimes just for fun.
Hahaha
Before mankind there were jinns on the earth but they caused corruption in the land so the Satan (iblis) fought with the angels and drove them away in the 🌊 sea.
This debate could have been more beneficial if the guy would ask other questions
He says “ learn me “ because it’s a jokey way of talking especially in the North East like Newcastle. Hamza hasn’t understood these subtleties.
@@sarahwhite5621 thanks for the clarification 👍🏼
When they ask you about Allah say: There is nothing like Him. ليسَ كَمِثلِهِ شَيء
@@dqschannel The day you meet him alone i hope you remember this time in this moment in youtube.
@@dqschannel that's your opinion based on nothing. bad for you
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God had the ability to be merciful. He used that ability when he created his creation. He doesn't need to be merciful. The creation seeks his mercy. This ability and others are intrinsic to him.
The Christian guy couldn't get his head around this concept.
David great job bro. Just keep learning as growing
Bismillah...
First of all i want to say alhamdulillah, that Allah revealed for us through this EF Dawah content, to give a clear understanding that this guy David has showed a remarkable ignorance toward his way of thinking from one eyed view of life (for my moeslim's brother and sister maybe already knew my point).
This thing can only be occur because of the individual intentions before doing an action. But what he didn't realised that, when he pointed one of Allah 99 attributes 'Al-Aziz', at that time David has already been lost. Because if some person with an evil intentions to humiliate Allah, islam, and Rasulullah S.A.W, then the evil within that individual will burn, then fleeing, in a most painfull way and leaving that person behind. And Allah will make that arrow of falsehood coming back at that person.
The Qur’ans opening verse is “In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.” Then Chapter 1, verse 3 says”The Gracious, the Merciful..”. That was before any creation...
Well, the main problem this gentlemen isn't understanding is that *attributes exist before actions.*
For example: "A brave man attacked the lion and rushed to save his friends"
This man didn't *become* brave by attacking the lion and saving his friends but *was* brave since *his bravery is what allowed him to do such thing.*
So understanding this philosophical concept allows us to conclude that "God being merciful before showing mercy" is true.
Your a idiot how did he know he was brave if he didn't rush to save his friend. Like when people does something brave they tell themselves " wow I didn't know I was that brave" so therefore that attributes "brave" only existed after the action
@@louisenrico3144 Being brave means ready to endure danger or pain so no you're wrong. You can't be ready for something after you've done the action.
@@QuantumFishFTW whateva you just said it doesn't make sense
@@louisenrico3144or maybe you can't understand a simple concept out of your ego.
@@QuantumFishFTW ok bro
you still have the ability to show compassion, mercy, forgiveness, without having something to intact those abilities on, these abilities are inherent and do not rely upon or depend on whether or not there is something to intact these abilities.
Dumb conundrum. Allah created Earth and the Heavens and resources in them for humans and animals before creating human beings and animal. That's why God is self sufficient and merciful towards his creations without requiring them.
you do not rely on anyone to have an attribute you just rely on someone only to prove it, very simple argument took so long due to ignorance .. hes all merciful .. always has been and will always be .. we happen to experience it thats it..
a father is merciful before his children are born they experience his mercy when they are.. its an attribute always existed in him ..the experience just proved it for us .. god needs to prove to no one he states the facts
its like saying you do not have eyes if you are standing in a pitch black room.
red one excellent answer!
No, he meant you have eyes in a pitch dark room , but you need light to see something, you need some thing, so that means you are not self sufficient , understand ?
@SyKi HIT so god is confusing us ?
@SyKi HIT if you have never shown mercy to anyone how can you be merciful ? And even if you're merciful you need someone to prove your mercy, regardless god, , if not good either boast about being merciful and give e example that he's merciful and forgives .
@SyKi HIT you said everyone would believe in one true God of god told everything about him , , so why didn't he ?
a simple answer to this is that how can allah be merciful to his creation if he didnt have that trait from before.
It is like when you hamza brought the example of having mercy upon your children as how can you have mercy upon them if you didnt have that trait from before.
Allah is most merciful and the self sufficient and they both come together without any nonsense alhamdolilah.
Ok so this is what i understood from David: Allah is Most Merciful, and in order to be so He needs Creation, as without created things there is nothing to show Mercy. Therefore he calls this as a "reliance" on something, therefore negating Allahs other name called The Self Sufficient (understood to be without relying on anything at all). He sees that as a contradiction. Its a decent question but easily dismissed by saying: even without any Creation at all, that is nothing besides Allah, Allah is still the Most Merciful, for who else or what else is there besdies Allah in that scenario? It is only Allah. In fact more so. He is the Only Merciful and therefore still The Most Merciful. Therefore there is no contradiction as there is no "reliance" on created things for God to be what He is. Allah always was.
That guy just got Hamza.
David Fearon that guy just ruined Hamza
I love what just happened here because hamza acts like he is just too smart for his own good but he is really a blind fool. When he is at the end of his crossroads he will know the truth.
if all creation of god was to seize existing, does that mean god's ability to be merciful will disappear? No, it won't. Allah will still be the most merciful.
Wow u fucktard
The new intro is🔥🔥😍
The problem Hazma is having is that Hazma doesn’t understand self sufficient.
Allah can’t be most merciful if there is nothing to be merciful to or with. A creation has to be created and exist for Allah to merciful to. It’s simple
You can have the capacity to pick up a pencil ,without picking up a pencil. Just because you choose not to. Doesn't mean you can't.
I can also practice using a pen.
I CAN'T SEE WHERE HE DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION
Good job Hamza, it's true. Before i get children i have the abillity to take care of them
obviuosly if are able to show mercy/take care of ther childrens not necessarily yours then that means ye u can do same to your childs! but i dnno what the point of asking such questions as this lol
No hamza is wrong and so are you he is wrong cause theres million kids born without a fathere and they canot show mercy to the children because they are not there
@@vasilios80able my father lost his daddy at a very young age yet he had toward us so much mercy and love u should understand that this is values are within us no matter what happens which means they are created within us !
yes, maybe that is about yourself, but most of muslims they don't think about if they have the ability to care children before they get them, but they will get children because their allah ( God ) wants that
Watch Apostate Prophet in RUclips or Nabeel Qureshi or..Christian Price...or David Wood...🤣🤣🤣
This kid is trying to impress his girlfriend, he needs a lot to learn.
Wow... respectful man asking hamza questions which hamza could not answer
What do you mean he answered simply and with a straight forward approach
@@abdulrahmanalnajjar5110 No lol, he actually tried to change topics.
@@abdulrahmanalnajjar5110😅😅😅😅 how did he answer ?
He's issue is on time, becouse time does not exist in the place where Allah is.. so for him he is first and last. Always was and always will be.. poeple misunderstand is when they think about time and get confused. If there is no time there, so question will be irrelevant.
The new intro "sick"
Baw God it's a Horror movie
“Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.” (Isaiah 13:15-16)
What David is saying that since Allah couldn't have shown his mercy before the creation of man that he couldn't have had the ability of being Most-Merciful(Ar-Rahim) before this. The flaw with this claim is that he is limiting the intellect and cognitive abilities(i am not sure if this is the right word for what i'm trying to say) of Allah to that of man. Brother Hamza should have continued the point about whether one can know that they can be a good parent without actually having a child a bit more. When David said that you can not he was thinking of God in the level of a human. Men need experience and proof to identify certain abilities about themselves, in this senario lets say the child did something wrong and whether the parent could muster himself to forgive his child would determine whether he had the ability to be merciful. But Allah does not have such limits. To further illustrate this lets take the examples of animals and human. Animals have some survival instincts/characteristics/abilities which would help them survive but they do not understand how they have such abilities eg. when faced with danger they would know that they have to run but they do not know why/how they know that they have to run. Humans on the other hand have a better understanding of why/how they have certain traits(this is what i meant by cognitive abilities) and this is through experiences. The experiences would be a source of knowledge for them to identify certain traits about themselves. But Allah IS the source of all knowledge as one of his names is Al-'Alim: The All-Knowing One
The Knowledgeable; The One nothing is absent from His knowledge. So Allah will obviously not need the help of experiences to determine his characteristics. He would already have known that he possesses the ability to forgive the mistakes of his creation so title of Ar-Rahim( The Merciful, He who acts with extreme kindness) would be applicable even before He created men. He is both Self-Sufficient as he does not need men to prove to himself that he is Most-Merciful. Even if he did not create men he would still know that he has this ability to show mercy and that His mercy would exceed anyone else.
Can you chat me about your answer
why couldn't he show mercy before, Allah has created before us Djinn and Angels and lifeforms before them that you have not heard of, and Allah has stated in the quran that we are not the greatest of his creation citing that something even greater will come after us, the day of judgement will be the end of Humanity, Jinn and Angels and the end of the current realm that we as 3 different species coexist in together, Allah will not stop creating after us, another realm will be made and a better creation is in the works, we are just a footnote in creation, he is and has always and will always be the Al rahamn the most merciful.
I love ur answer
There is nothing like HIM
ALLAH IS PERFECT
its like asking,
can God throw you out of His jurisdiction?
if He can't, than He is no all powerfull,
what a non sense
He can send you to non existence. You will be where you asked for. But if you mean you still want to remain in existence and on the same time out of his jurisdiction, it is as saying can God do what he can't do? And that doesn't show his inability but shows a foolish question kind of lol God can do godly things that befit his majesty. He is the creator so he can't become a creation. Or can he build a wall which he cannot jump over. Lol. Come on bro we are only fooling ourselves like this. I have seen this movie before by the way lol
@@syealfakhuri9609 Zulu Fadhil was posing a rhetorical question
The question is in at itself completely irrational. David is confusing the two attributes of Allah as contradictory for some odd reason. Being self-sufficient means being emotionally and physically independent without need of outside help so no food no water no sleep etc. He does not NEED to be merciful to anyone. Its only one of his attributes. Using Hamza's example, the man is already known to be merciful and kind to people (it's one of his attributes), therefore naturally we assume that when he does have children he will be merciful to them. Again, it's NOT a requirement of Allah to be most-merciful, its only an attribute. In conclusion, Allah being most-merciful does not contradict him being self-sufficient. I hope I clarified it enough.
brother, masha allah, you should make a video
Thats what he should have said but that chav wouldnt let him take time to think his words .
Rizraz
True God does not need anything outside of Himself in order to sustain Himself. He is the Self Existing God who dwells in eternity. Heaven is His throne and the earth is His footstool.
However, God acts out of who He is; not out of who He is not. He cannot be anything other than He is. If He is all merciful, He will show mercy according to His mercy and His justice. and He loves to show mercy to the merciful and also to those who reject Him so that they may turn to Him completely.
The prophet Jeremiah said, " It is by the kindnesses of Jehovah that we are not consumed, for His mercies are not ended. They are new by mornings; great is Your faithfulness." Lamentations 3:22, 23.
God's mercies to mankind are abundant and ever new. He loves to be Himself and show His mercies extravagantly. And He does so that they may fear Him adn love Him all their days.
Jesus - Yeshua, said (Mat 5:7) "Blessed are the merciful! For they shall obtain mercy."
Many people cried out as Jesus was passing through their town, saying,
"Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David;".
Every one who called out to Him, to them He showed His mercy, which thing His Father in Heaven commanded Him to do.
God loves because He is love. God Judges because he is the Judge of all the earth. He judges in righeousness because he is righteous. God never acts as a man acts - in faithlessness, without love or mercy or justice, or holiness. God is not a man that He should lie. Nor is He a child of Adam that He must repent for any wrong doing.
It is true that God is Self sufficient. But again, in faithfulness He acts, because of who He is - faithful.
Jesus Christ has a name in Heaven -
"These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful." Revelation 17:14
"Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples; And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!" John 1:35, 36
"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." Revelation 19:11-16
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Blessed be the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, forever and ever.
I have found Him who my soul loves.
If he is self-sufficient then why create humans?
God is a God who gives freely. He had in His heart to make a creation in His own image and likeness, and to give them some delegated authority and power to rule over all lesser created things.
He also had prepared a way so that they - we, could enjoy His presence forever, if we would simply be obedient to Him who is all wise and loving, and who has all knowledge and understanding.
He even had you in mind Fisher of men. And it is His desire that you also may share in his glory and eternal riches; riches and glory that kings could not even dream of.
The way into that eternal realm is through Jesus Christ alone. If you have not already done so - call upn His name in truth from the depths of your being. He will deliver you by His great and mighty hand. And when you find Him who is sweeter than honey, you will understand or begin to understand why He has created humans.
Acts 2:38 Acts 4:12
seems to me like the majority of debates between muslims and christians the christian is the respectful one
Debate finished at 8:20. Alhamdulillah .... but the agnostics still can’t grasp it
Pedo mohammad🤣
@@duxklodna7797... You plonker...
@@zr5028 admit it or not Mohammad is a fucking pedo imagine it he married to a 9 years old girl name aisha you know that's disgusting
Duxk Lodna but that’s apparently that’s the perfect man lol jokers
Mashallah brother hamza is back :)
Don't you think he's aggressive?
3lite.
To be aggressive means....either to hit someone, or to push someone, or to shout abusive/insulting words to someone.
None of this was done in this video by both the debaters.
...Islam/Salaam = True Peace for all...❤
3lite no
Brother Hamza continues to be a Lion for Allah Ta'Ala! Allahu Akbar!!!
Yes he is a Liaron
😄😄😄 when Hamza want to ask about his belief he start to run away.
If light moves through void (no one can see it), but does that mean it's not there? When god is merciful to his creatures the only thing that happens is that God's mercy is witnessed/observed by other beings, it doesn't mark its genesis nor does it mean that god needed his creatures in order to be merciful (it is the perception of that mercy that is realized in that case)...we need an object to reflect light to our eyes...but light doesn't need an object to reflect it, bcz light already is...the object only proves its essence to an observer (not to light itself & also it does not make light what it is...cuz light in this sense has always been illuminating and when it met an object and its quality was manifested it was manifested to the observer...cuz light doesn't need to prove that it is what it is)
To elaborate there's no sense of urgency or need in this case from the part of light cuz whether it meets an object or not that doesn't affect it or diminish it (bcz if no one is there to see it...it doesn't need to use its ability to illuminate and if there's someone there it still doesn't need to do that.....it is that 'someone' that needs it).
David makes no sense and missing the whole point
* any sense
@@swampy1234 you missed the whole point
You lost the plot when you chose pride instead of truth
@@dongiancarloz8600
Of course.
He refuses to see what is pretty clear
Allah makes no sense too
The Most Merciful
He doesnt need his creation, to be the most merciful
He is the most merciful to his creation
The lack of a creation does not diminish or increase his Mercifulness
This guy seems like a genuine man may allah guide him aameen
I personally do not discuss the Attributes of Allah SWT with anyone on Street Dawah if the person does not believe in Allah SWT. It makes no sense. But these people want to discuss everything, tiny details etc without starting from the top i.e Tauheed. What is the point of wasting time with him on Attributes if he does not believe in Allah SWT
simple answer : Angels and Jin were there before Human.
allah is most merciful and self sufficient...everything turns to him and needs him
Yet us Christians and Jew's your supposed to kill us where you find us Isis takes your White slave owner prophet but he e eventually got poisoned. By a Jewish women the real Jesus was without sin he rose from the dead Mohammed would have started war allah/Satan says allah blesses a just war your imams twist everything
@@outlawc3858 keep hating kid
This guy did a good homework Hamza ! but he might not have realized that this topic has been studied in Islam for centuries and in 99% of books of Kalam/Faith. I will try to help and touch upon some points regarding Allah's attributes (Attributes = Sifat صفات):
1- God's attributes are not all at the same level, some of them are needed and "necessary", "essential" as part of Allah being the true God. Some other attributes are "secondary" and "dependent" on those "essential" attributes
2- Some attributes can not be understood in human mind when there are no creation. Scholars call these attributes as Mutaaddy (متعديه) or/VS Lazim (لازمه)
3- necessary attributes existed actually and
4- here are the necessary attributes:
- "Existence" is a mandatory attribute of Allah,
- "Alive" is another one,
- "Knowledge" = all-knowing,
- "capability" attribute = all-capable,
- "willing" attribute = all-willing,
- "communication" attribute(s) = hearing + seeing + talking (not thru sensors of course ... )
5- here are examples of the secondary attributes:
- "creation" attribute means Allah created things. u can see this attribute depends on the following necessary attributes: Allah is all-capable and all-knowing of creating and he actually demonstrated that thru his "all-willing to create" attribute. At that moment, we as humans understood that Allah is a creator. The fact that he is capable and all-knowing and willing to create is enough. The understanding of the word "creator" meaning in our minds is not needed for allah to prove he is self-sustained because that is already covered thru the necessary attributes.
- "merciful" attribute = Rahman and Raheem, the same concept applies. Allah is capable of having mercy on his creation, he knows he is capable and he willed to create things and to show his mercy. When the mercy is demonstrated to us, we understand that Allah is merciful. so the meaning of mercy and its association with Allah existed in human minds when we saw it. this has nothing to do with Allah being dependent on creation. The fact is Allah is capable and he knows he is capable and he willed to do something is enough. When humans acknowledge that fact, we are not giving Allah anything new that he did not have already.
The secondary attributes exist because of the necessary attributes and when they are applied/exercised by Allah, the meaning comes to our minds and it proves that God has this attribute, but does not give him a new attribute that he did not have before.
Hamza - you tried to explain in a very good way, I am sure many muslims were able to follow your statements without a problem. But it would be helpful if you could go a little slower on these questions because you are explaining to thousands and sometimes millions of muslims and non-muslims who are probably not aware of these discussions in Islamic literature.
Baraa Alyusuf it’s a silly fairytale...
Well said Baraa 👍🏻
The answer to Mercifull is self sufficient, God is telling you he doesn't depend on his creation to be mercifull. So God already answered this.
That wasn't the smartest question and I can see he answered it anyway
" stop asking Muslims a question that cant be answered"
That's why am seeing that you religious people, you are worshipping something you can't fully understand. You are playing with force beyond your comprehension.
Did david ever come back for 4 o clock meeting with his teacher hamza? Id love to watch that discussion
Don't think so..
He kept jumping with his girl from a person to another asking the same silly question and pretending they won 😁
Where does MERCY come from?, you must have foreknowledge to produce the emotion of mercy. Thus, Allah SWT has the foreknowledge and knows what mercy is, and this he grants to his creation both human and animals and everything else.
Hence, He SWT has always been merciful and as He says,” My mercy overcomes my wrath”.
I highly doubt he came back lol
Fahad Zafar I know, still dodged the question and ran away pretty much the same as not coming back lol
Well hes just an ordinary guy not God and hes striving to bring people closer to guidance. But some people come up with stupid questions with their minds made up that they will do whatever they can to trap him, and even if he answers that question they will never accept that and will keep beating around the Bush. He answered that question quite beautifully and for people like me that was enough. But ego of ignorant people like the one in the video will never let them accept. You can clearly see on his face that smile and attitude he wasn't there to learn.
I support you hamza
Hamza....allah giv u more Hidayah..ameen ameen ya rabb.masha allah...
Im ur fan!! Hamza
Let's make it a bit more simple. Like you are going to an area where weapons are not allowed. And you have a weapon but as you have not used it yet so you can tell the security that you don't have any because you have not used it, and they must let you enter according to the Christian man.
Zahir Shah ur religion was created by Catholic doctrines when khadjas cousin who was a Christian hahaha do ur research and come out of a false religion who was created 700 hundred years after Jesus was killed???you Muslims believe Jesus came from a virgin woman who is sent by god did all these miracles created the biggest realign in the world bt failed in his mission so god had to choose a man who had no known background who was living in a cave was given the words in the quran by jibrial.he never ever spoke directly to god!!!plz do research muhammed married his sons wife and was marrying children!! Muhammed compared to jesus not even close jesus is holy muhammed is a false prophet
What?
To summarize what s the argument is all about:
Can God be said self sufficient if He needs human to be merciful?
Human always try to understand the Creator from the context of His creation. He gives, He loves, He needs and he shows mercy. That s what makes them stucked in this loop of confusion.
Surah Ar Rahman reveals the context of being All Gracious from Allah s perspective, and by reading it we know how it is impossible to even question His capacity.
I like this young man, he doesn't seem arrogant or anything like that, he definitely comes across well, but i have seen him in a couple of debates and he seems to lack basic common sense, i don't mean to be rude to him, maybe if i was under the pressure of being filmed at speakers corner i would talk nonsense too, i hope he watches these debates back,
no matter your belief system, you should be able to understand basic concepts and make reasonable arguments, Hamza's point about God possessing a certain quality regardless of his creation of mankind, is an extremely simplistic and obvious point to make, you do not have to demonstrate a certain quality to possess it, i can't understand why this was so confusing, even us human beings have certain abilities and qualities prior to them being demonstrated...
i feel like Christians ( i am from a christian background) spend a lot of time preaching, but not much thinking and learning and that seems to be evident from their speech and debates, they tend to trip up over the smallest of concepts, but then still its nice to see a polite young man....
i'm not sure if that women in white was his friend etc, but if she is, then who he is hanging around with might be one of the reasons behind his great confusion, 'Thats the reason i'm not Muslim'
well that is a bigoted comment if ever i heard one, if you already have prejudice towards a certain group of people, there is a great likelihood that your prejudice will distort your common sense, david your better then that,
what i seem to see from Muslim vs Christians, is that if Muslims find something the go not understand etc, they will check etc but Christians dont seem to do that why? they seem to just carry on saying things that make no sense and never really reflect its all very strange...
"The Merciful" does not mean having the ability to show mercy. It means actually showing mercy.
Молодец Брат Хамза. призываешь к Исламу к истине. Да поможет Тебя Аллах распространить религию)
Allah is evil dude
Brother hamza you should said out of his mercy created man.
Bena serbast DAAAAAAYYYUUUUUUMMMMM STRAIGHT
Bena serbast you have been blessed with wisdom alhamdulilla!
Bena serbast exactly Its a mercy that God created man thus that is a demonstration of his mercy which has always been who God is which is merciful. God doesnt need to create to be what he already is which is merciful.
Bena serbast Im a christian and the question from david was very silly and easily countered. God doesnt need to create in order for his attribute of been mercyful to be true because in creating that mercy is demonstrated plus been mercful is an attribute he has always had that is demonstrated in creation. Self sufficient means he can be mercuful without creation because he is self sufficient. I agree with hamza.
Bena serbast m8 u r right I was thinking about that through the video and forgot to comment it. The fact that God made human beings means he has mercy and that means he had mercy before human beings.
WIN OUR CHRISTIAN BROTHER
Hamza you made perfect point with you being father, you should kept that point and force him to why it doesn't make sense. He lost there.
That point was nonsense, how can a parent show mercy to his child if he doesn’t have any.
@@Keynotes13 he was talking about the capacity to have mercy to 'someone', I realized Hamza couldn't probably articulate it to David but basically assuming you're a regular person, you have the ability to run on a 100 m track even if you're sitting at home. You don't need that track to be in front of you and actually do the action to confirm your ability to run 100 m. Same way someone has the capacity to be merciful to children even if they don't have children, I'm sure you've heard the saying "he would make a great father"..... So same thing, it's because whoever this person is probably has the traits befitting a person that would be a great father to their potential children. So there's no problems here, I don't even know why David brought this as a point, smh.
"I need to do a quick google" LMAO. Wow. This guy was definitely not prepared.
God is most merciful and self-sufficient with or without his creation. Simple.
I think I see where David is mistaken and I reckon a good way to help him understand this is for him to look at it this way: God is self-sufficient, but given that he has creations, he is all-merciful towards them. God has the same attributes with or without creation and is not dependent on his creation to have the attribute, but the adjective to describe God (all-merciful) depends on whether or not there is a creation, which there is, therefore allowing this adjective (not the attribute which always exists) to manifest itself.
I find Hamza to be prideful and arrogant.
Douglas Brandow became he is upon truth
My question to the christian guy is this? Could we have known that god is merciful if he hadn't created us? Cuz that's the lvl of absurdity you are presenting. Cuz if god is essentially merciful...by creating us to whom is he proving his ability to be merciful ?
this david is a class act
This one is one where it feels like within 2 minutes, it could have been completed if there wasn't so much talking over each other.
You didn't learn, Hamza, you lost.
This argument is so weak "before" he created his creation (meaning god) It just like you say time begins before god.
Time is just one thing of his creation.
God Allah created time so time does not apply to him, So if he needs to be all merciful he needs to create his creation at the same "time" with him that leads to the beginning of god but that's contradict that we believe he Allah created every thing "including time". Fallacies.
He is self sufficient he knows everything so he knows he is the all merciful.
is this hamza even muslim? or is he just unable to answer the contradictions
I think what David fails to understand is all these attributes of Allah have always been there. When we say Allah is all merciful it’s with him and when we his creation needs it he shows it 2 us. Even if I say I agree with him to Allah needs his creation to show his mercy it doesn’t contradict with the fact that he is All self sufficient because mercy is it a character he has in him and shows it when it’s needed but it’s still part of his character. We humans can also show mercy to each other and to other creation of Allah but he is the most merciful but I show mercy to people when they are in need of my mercy but when they don’t need it I don’t show it,but it’s still there in me as my character ready to be used when needed.
I am in university and I chose this path because I think it is within my strengths to teach. How does me, not actually teaching quite yet, downgrade the ability to be a good teacher? A strong man, can not be strong without using his strengths? Such a ridiculous point. But the ignorance is strong on this one.
May Allah guide him to the truth.
Tell me about who Allah is to you
This is one of the most bizarre arguments I have ever come across.
Wen muslims can not explain their quran they dance around,
@@sonofgod7099 ?
@@sonofgod7099 only one dancing was David lol
@@sonofgod7099 god is all loving in the bible? Does he need his creation to have that attribute?
@@nasreddinechajaadine6441 that is why in Gen 1 we the God, the word and the Holy spirit so the love was share among them God dont his creation to love
David makes sense, its you hamza thats not making any sense. You're getting bump out.
Allah created His creations to apply His attributes to His creations....His merciful specially ❤️ for those who seeks it !🤲🏼
Hamza couldn't answer the question.
The most beautiful answer that I ever heard from Hamza, only if you could giving us a better answer that would be great, otherwise you have to keep your mouth shut its better for you
Shame on you Hamza that didn’t answer the question...and then you said let’s talk about your Bible!🤕
Alex Stop i think he did answer the question. His point is that god does NOT need to be merciful but he is. Him not needing to be merciful allows him to be self sufficient. But david kept repeating the question and basically saying that his answer wasnt good enough.
احيانا اعتقد ان الاجانب لا يفهمون لغتهم
الأنعام الآية 54 | وإذا جاءك الذين يؤمنون بآياتنا فقل سلام عليكم ۖ كتب ربكم على نفسه الرحمة ۖ أنه من عمل منكم سوءا بجهالة ثم تاب من بعده وأصلح فأنه غفور رحيم
Hamza got owned and his patronising attitude was in full flow. At the end David asks a simple question to which Hamza answers yes then no 🤣🤣🤣, he then tries to deflect about Christianity. Hamzas worst day at the office ever.
Edward Donnachie are you serious? lol that was the stupidest question ever asked
Lol you wish
The silliest person and the silliest debat i have ever seen on this channel because of some childish coupl.
Simple concept ...the love mercy is inside when the time comes it will comes in role..simple concept...numbskulls just want to talk bad about islam ...don't want to accept truth
The patience Hamza had with that individual is remarkable, David had no ability to understand a basic concept.
Having a ability to do something doesn’t mean you use the ability. For example if I have the ability to be kind that doesn’t mean I need someone to ‘use’ it on.
Pleas correct me if I didn’t get what he mean I’m still learning.
Part two will be sick😂😂❤
*clicked the video*
Saw the guy
Me: Hamza don't waste your time
Hamza I love you for the sake of Allah my Bruder , u r a proper g , may Allah accept you ameen.
People normally learn when they lose but with Hamzah, he never loses