HST Inter City 125 - Tees Tyne Pullman - Record Breaking Run 1985

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  • Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024

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  • @railfreightdrivergallagherGBRf
    @railfreightdrivergallagherGBRf 2 года назад +15

    The 3 best things ever that the UK has produced... The Land Rover, Concorde & the IC125!!! Brilliant

    • @Martindyna
      @Martindyna 2 года назад +4

      Add to them the Spitfire and the Rolls-Royce Merlin & RB211 engines. I don't like to be too nationalist but I am so glad that we still have Rolls-Royce PLC to take pride in here having had so many companies sold off overseas like in the electronics & software fields I believe.

  • @leonblittle226
    @leonblittle226 3 года назад +14

    The Original HighSpeed One was an HST set let off the chain with a pair of Valenta V12s hammering along at 145mph.

  • @jonahspiper
    @jonahspiper 5 месяцев назад +2

    Comfort and service from British Rail in 1985 you could only dream of today....This may have been a one-off run but as a regular user of HSTs and Inter-City services at the time, first class dining, just as in the video was a regular option, on-board buffet catering was excellent and second class had mostly seats with tables, less aircraft style seating. Ive not seen a better service anywhere today on any network from any provider than was provided by BR in 1985!

  • @WarshipTV
    @WarshipTV 4 года назад +35

    The finest train the UK has ever had! Diesel perfection!

    • @dronespace
      @dronespace 4 года назад +1

      Diesel goodness ❤️

    • @kiwitrainguy
      @kiwitrainguy 4 года назад +1

      The HST's were designed as an afterthought to the XPT. Some afterthought!

    • @WarshipTV
      @WarshipTV 4 года назад +4

      @@kiwitrainguy Do you mean APT? Otherwise I am afraid you have it the wrong way around. The XPT was derived from the British built HST and built under licence in Australia. In the UK there were 200 power cars. The prototype HST entered service in 1972 followed by the Production HST in 1976, whilst the Oz XPT didn't enter service until 1982. Or did you mean APT - Advanced Passenger Train, something else completely!

    • @nkt1
      @nkt1 4 года назад

      @@kiwitrainguy Not so much an afterthought to the APT, not XPT, as hedging their bets, and rightly so.

    • @kiwitrainguy
      @kiwitrainguy 4 года назад +1

      Warship TV & nkt1 - Sorry, my mistake, I was writing from memory. I meant APT. It was taking too long to develop so they designed the HST's as well.
      The XPT is Australian, I get confused with these Alphabet Soup names they come up with sometimes.

  • @davidjones3758
    @davidjones3758 5 лет назад +21

    A brilliant tribute to British engineering

  • @fatwalletboy2
    @fatwalletboy2 6 лет назад +42

    2hrs 19m for 269 miles.......
    Who needs a HS2.....?

    • @deathbyteacup
      @deathbyteacup 4 года назад +14

      Not practical in regular service sadly, the signalling just isn't up to snuff. They would have had to make a lot of exceptions and special arrangements to make this happen.

    • @PeaveyPV20
      @PeaveyPV20 3 года назад +5

      These record breaking runs tend to be non stop as well on a line clear of local services and freight

    • @PenzancePete
      @PenzancePete 3 года назад +9

      1 Short formation set of five coaches rather than eight.
      2 All other traffic on the line cleared.
      3 No intermediate stops
      4 HS 2 will only be used by high speed trains, not a mixture that includes freight and stoppers.

    • @MePeterNicholls
      @MePeterNicholls 3 года назад +2

      @@deathbyteacup oh I see why 140 isn’t regular

    • @paulmcgeever5343
      @paulmcgeever5343 2 года назад +1

      HS 2 is already massively over budget and won't be for the average commuter price wise. They can only recoupe over investment with high ticket prices.

  • @PigletTube
    @PigletTube 2 года назад +7

    That's even faster than the new electric azuma!

  • @SteamboatWilley
    @SteamboatWilley 5 лет назад +7

    I was not aware of an HST being used for a Pullman service until GWR's recent introduction of one to the west country. Thanks for sharing this video.

    • @hexagon7895
      @hexagon7895 5 лет назад +6

      Not only did BR re-introduce Pullman dining services with the 125s, the later build of Mk3b loco-hauled coaches included some Open Firsts designated as Pullmans and used on services such as the Liverpool Pullman and Manchester Pullman on the WCML. The InterCity 225s also operated Pullman services, including in the early 1990s not one but a good three or so timed to do London-Edinburgh in 3 hrs 59 (faster than any present schedule, the single southbound only Flying Scotsman is 4 hrs with one stop, and I believe the fastest ever passenger schedule on the ECML) with two stops.

    • @tomhami
      @tomhami 5 лет назад +1

      GWR have been doing if for a number of years now I believe. I one to Exeter five or six years ago getting a can of Tribute and asked what the amazing smell was, Fillet Steak or maybe the pan fried chicken I was told! There's also the Cardiff to Anglesey run (aka The Gerald) that does fresh food too included with your 'business class's ticket but not HST I believe.

    • @hexagon7895
      @hexagon7895 5 лет назад +1

      @@tomhami Not quite the same, GWR's "Pullman" generally has to be pre-booked and is limited to the accomodation in the buffet car (or I think leading First Class car in the IETs. The BR Pullman service was offered at every First Class seat on such services and without a need to pre-book.
      Transport for Wales' Premier Service uses Class 67s with a Mk3 push-pull set (generally 5 coaches now); it doesn't need pre-booking but First Class seating is fairly limited.

  • @ChrisCooper312
    @ChrisCooper312 4 года назад +9

    Quite an achievement to not only set a world record for a diesel train, but in regular service too. The Spanish have claimed to have beaten the record, but that was a prototype and was never verified.

    • @ChangesOneTim
      @ChangesOneTim Год назад +1

      Tees-Tyne Pullman was a regular service, but this run was a staged publicity event under special arrangements. The train had five instead of the (then) standard eight coaches, there were 'clear run' conditions for signalmen to work to, no intermediate stops...and over certain stretches the 125mph limit was authorised to be exceeded!

    • @TrenyCwm
      @TrenyCwm 9 месяцев назад

      The USSR beat it with an 160mph diesel train. Looks rubbish though whereas the HST is beautiful.

  • @cryptidhunter9901
    @cryptidhunter9901 3 года назад +7

    I heard from a train driver that he and several others used to push these trains to 140mph back in the 80s on the western line and the northern line in certain stretches.

    • @ChangesOneTim
      @ChangesOneTim Год назад +3

      In those days you could apply experience to take a few liberties when running late. Stretches of good riding track + dry rail + well-sighted signals + when least likely to be 'railway suits' on board your train....

    • @andybray9791
      @andybray9791 Год назад

      Now modern signalling won’t allow it. Western line u mean wcml?

    • @Danse_Macabre_125
      @Danse_Macabre_125 8 месяцев назад +2

      ​@andybray9791 No, they meant the GWML out of Paddington

    • @markcf83
      @markcf83 Месяц назад

      The Paddington to Bristol section is basically like a snooker table, it's that flat.

  • @EM-yk1dw
    @EM-yk1dw 2 года назад +3

    This was when train travel was a pleasure, now it’s an expensive ordeal.

  • @HedleyOnTheHill
    @HedleyOnTheHill 3 года назад +4

    See this is why you always trust a man from Newcastle. We'll do it

  • @dinglebay100
    @dinglebay100 3 года назад +2

    As a schoolboy in the 70s all we ever wanted to do as to be a 125 driver. Ironically I would go onto the footplate but on the SR, never got o drive a 125.

  • @boyinblue3500
    @boyinblue3500 3 года назад +3

    I have one of the coins given to the staff who were on that train, my cousin was working in the buffet car

  • @neiloxley7229
    @neiloxley7229 3 года назад +2

    I remember a 5 car hst operating on that line left 20 min late and arrived 3 min early. I wont mention the operator but it was a direct service between Sunderland and Kings Cross. Black train, orange stripe. Was a bit rattly. I asked the conductor how fast we were going and he said "must be exactly 125mph."
    23 minutes saved on that trip.
    I reckon he was fibbing.

    • @kevinsmeeton9504
      @kevinsmeeton9504 2 года назад +2

      Grand Central?

    • @ChangesOneTim
      @ChangesOneTim Год назад

      Driven hard, most likely, not overspeeding. For the last twenty years all trains have had 'black box' recorders, and for longer than that HSTs have had speed governors, but I certainly remember some creative driving on HST journeys in the 1980s and 90s when making up lost time.😉

  • @yescharliesurfs
    @yescharliesurfs 5 месяцев назад

    What a bunch of railway legends!!!

  • @alexishamer6427
    @alexishamer6427 2 месяца назад

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  • @Martindyna
    @Martindyna 2 года назад +1

    A good example of how prejudiced the media & commentators under the video can be, no mention of the spilt coffee on this IC125 run but moaning about the slight vibration of the cups of coffee on the APT 7:06

  • @bowlerwildcatGaming1991
    @bowlerwildcatGaming1991 3 года назад +2

    There need to do the run again with the new return of the 2020 Pullman

  • @cambo2910
    @cambo2910 4 года назад +9

    I was on the footplate as the Intercity technical representative.

    • @nkt1
      @nkt1 4 года назад

      Apart from disabling the speed regulator and the shorter formation, did they make any other modifications to the train?

    • @cambo2910
      @cambo2910 4 года назад +2

      nkt1 No the only major consideration on selecting the two power cars for the run was there wheel diameters, we looked for two units with new wheel sets so would have the maximum wheel size.

    • @nkt1
      @nkt1 4 года назад

      @@cambo2910 Interesting, thanks. The Valenta, cooler group, traction motors etc. obviously performed well at the higher loads.

    • @cambo2910
      @cambo2910 4 года назад

      nkt1 only had half the usual train load so no problem.

    • @Keithbarber
      @Keithbarber 3 года назад +1

      @@cambo2910 black underpants

  • @ABCDEF-yf4yu
    @ABCDEF-yf4yu 3 года назад +1

    The fastest sections of the line are between Darlington and York, and Grantham and Peterborough.

  • @AlphaNovemberHotel651
    @AlphaNovemberHotel651 3 года назад +3

    Hadn’t appreciated it was a short train of only 5 coaches plus the two power cars. Not a full length 8+2 HST. But nice one!!

  • @thefareplayer2254
    @thefareplayer2254 4 года назад +5

    3:06 T1 Trust: “Hold my regulator!”

  • @kevinsmeeton9504
    @kevinsmeeton9504 2 года назад +1

    Question where is the ECML electrification in 1985, was it not completed back then?

    • @thebritishempire8754
      @thebritishempire8754 2 года назад +1

      Don't think so, I'm from the North East and I think the electrification was completed in the 1990s, as trains were diverted to the Leamside line.

    • @ChangesOneTim
      @ChangesOneTim Год назад +3

      The project got government's go-ahead the year before this run. Electrification from Hitchin to Leeds was finished in 1989, and Doncaster to Edinburgh in 1991.

  • @fatwalletboy2
    @fatwalletboy2 Год назад

    Im more impressed by the 115 average!
    And at 1.20 is that Prue Leith sat by the window?

    • @Martindyna
      @Martindyna Год назад

      Sorry no, pretty sure that's not Prue.

  • @RobTheTrucker
    @RobTheTrucker 3 года назад +1

    7:07 Someone spilt a cup of tea :D

    • @trespire
      @trespire 3 года назад

      @Chuck Noris That's a capitol crime in England.

    • @leonblittle226
      @leonblittle226 2 года назад +3

      For a Mk3 to be moving around enough to do that - I know from experience its being driven REALLY hard.

  • @joshuashepherd1439
    @joshuashepherd1439 3 года назад +1

    1:25

  • @markpunt9638
    @markpunt9638 4 года назад +3

    Have forgotten how amateurish, or maybe homely, regional reporting could be back then.

    • @PeaveyPV20
      @PeaveyPV20 3 года назад +1

      At least there was regional programming back then, does not really exist now

  • @abloogywoogywoo
    @abloogywoogywoo 3 года назад +3

    Inter City 125: Look at me! I'm the fastest diesel in the world!
    Mallard (naked): Don't look at me! I'm not decent!

  • @colanitower
    @colanitower 3 года назад +2

    5:18 Any problems?
    - No problems whatever. No problems.
    ... Really? 😁

  • @davidjones3758
    @davidjones3758 5 лет назад +23

    Why put crappy yank style music to the HST

    • @davidjones3758
      @davidjones3758 4 года назад +6

      Tosser

    • @davidjones3758
      @davidjones3758 4 года назад

      @MusicalElitist1 PRAT you wouldn't know music if it bit your backside,And I Am NOT a musician.So forget crappy music For THE HST

    • @tomtalk24
      @tomtalk24 4 года назад +3

      @MusicalElitist1 Agree, its 1985, northern news. A 7 minute segment, not quite the moon landings.

    • @paulhorn2665
      @paulhorn2665 4 года назад +2

      Today they would put muslim music on it. Because diversity

    • @saltspringrailway3683
      @saltspringrailway3683 4 года назад

      @MusicalElitist1 Nothing little about England.

  • @MePeterNicholls
    @MePeterNicholls 3 года назад +1

    143 mph. Why did they downgrade the lines to 125?

    • @RabbitboyUK
      @RabbitboyUK 3 года назад +4

      They didn't the Signalling can't allowed over 125 because you'll need in cab Signalling in place and we didn't have that plus the fact that Local Trains are on the same tracks usually and you'd probably end up dead if you went 143 all the time 😐

    • @andrewjames3908
      @andrewjames3908 2 года назад +2

      health & safety brigade decided it wasnt safe as drivers might mis see signals at that speed. dont really see how when the aws bell would clearly indicate it was green. when the IC225 was introduced it was intended to do 140mph and in fact holds world speed record for a loco hauled train (162mph, all trains that go faster are EMUs not loco hauled). makes me wonder why they trialled atp on the gwml when the ecml would have made more sense overcoming the signal sighting concerns

    • @ChangesOneTim
      @ChangesOneTim Год назад +2

      @@RabbitboyUK
      BR gave authority to exceed the 125mph limit only where signal spacing and sighting gave drivers a wider than normal margin of safety...and it was still within the braking system capability to stop safely within those spacings if required.

  • @splitters2477
    @splitters2477 2 года назад

    Bet it drank some diesel doing that speed....

  • @Jeffybonbon
    @Jeffybonbon 3 года назад

    Today its a miss

  • @homeone4054
    @homeone4054 3 года назад

    Azuma anyone....?

  • @Rupertbear27
    @Rupertbear27 7 месяцев назад

    Never be the same as sitting on a Pullman pulled by a STREAK or a DELTIC---although it's better than the crap these days !

  • @mikeyb444
    @mikeyb444 4 года назад +12

    Fantastic British engineering at it's very best. Take note snowflake generation😱

    • @jackmason7823
      @jackmason7823 3 года назад +5

      And it's the boomer generations fault we're still at the same speed 😉

  • @galactic_nerd-sk4747
    @galactic_nerd-sk4747 4 года назад

    What about an Azuma? 😉😏

    • @Bahamas-rd8le
      @Bahamas-rd8le 4 года назад +1

      Galactic_Nerd-sk they’re rubbish

    • @Martindyna
      @Martindyna 3 года назад

      It may perform well but we can take no pride in it's design.

    • @timwebster8122
      @timwebster8122 3 года назад +2

      Imported crap

    • @BritishTrainspotting
      @BritishTrainspotting 6 месяцев назад

      safety systems won't allow for speed limits to be exceeded. IETs are capable of 140mph under electric power, they are only limited to 125mph due to safety systems and the line speed.

  • @richardwills-woodward5340
    @richardwills-woodward5340 3 года назад +4

    135mph was quite regular in daily service until limiters. It shows the signalling was fine for the job for many years. You actually had to be a driver back then. Today it has to be idiot proof for people incapable of sharp eyesight like pilots. Now the Azumas are slower than anything gone before, and a diesel no less that beat them. Timetabled 1hr44 minutes to York where it was done in 1hr 40 minutes and later 1hr 39. All slower today. If there was a cable thief today, Millennials won't fix it like that, they'll say it can't run and we'll have to wait until next month for the parts. The UK has a weak generation and the ambition has all drained away in favour of over-regulation and excuses for it.

  • @volvos60bloke
    @volvos60bloke 3 года назад

    got brexit done

  • @tomtalk24
    @tomtalk24 4 года назад +3

    BR man: "People want it, business people want it". No, rich BR bosses want it, rich people would like dinner on it. People want trains, to work, on time, with seats. Out of touch much, all for Pullman trains but not on my taxes.
    Nice to see the A4 naked though.

    • @markpunt9638
      @markpunt9638 4 года назад +1

      This was 1985 - and not now.

    • @steveluckhurst2350
      @steveluckhurst2350 3 года назад +1

      you obviously don't want a pullman train. You could eat those chips on your shoulders!

  • @thomash2806
    @thomash2806 2 года назад +1

    How can Newcastle to London be a world record? Newcastle to London can’t happen in the rest of the world. It can only be a very local record. That’s hilarious. Typical British claptrap. The myth of influence only lives on in that kind of comment. I bet it takes twice that 40 years later. British progress! 🤣

    • @chasc301
      @chasc301 2 года назад +2

      05.43. The ‘world record’ elements stated in the report are the top speed and average speed. Not the specific route.

    • @ChangesOneTim
      @ChangesOneTim Год назад +2

      @@chasc301
      ...for diesel traction...

    • @Danse_Macabre_125
      @Danse_Macabre_125 Год назад +2

      World record for diesel traction, doesn't matter if it was set in Britain or Timbuktu