One thing people are not noticing about the hat is how Glinda likes it or at least has some attachment to it. Like why would she bring that ugly piece with her to Shiz in the middle of all the pieces of clothing she meticulously picked of a perfect pink pallette? When her friends found her hat, she seemed to stop a bit to think of an excuse for having it, in order to still seem perceived as "good" to them. And she even seemed a little hesitant of giving Elphaba the hat, only giving her once she saw her sorcery books. Maybe the hat really is from her granny and it's a sentimental gift to her, but due to social pressure and jealousy, she gives it to Elphie. Also I think the students don't like the hat only because it's Elphaba wearing it and it's not something usually worn or in style in Oz.
@@stonegreen972 She could only give it to someone who she specifically loathes because her friends pressured her to do so. She wanted to prove to them that she did dislike the hat and that she would only give it away to her most hated person, and so they all thought of Elphaba, so she had to follow through with that. Also, she was certain that everyone would make fun of her with that hat, so it's another win for her. Get her friends' approval and humiliate her enemy.
@@stonegreen972i think you missed the whole point of OP’s comment… the whole point is she probably DID like it. but social acceptance and popularity is way too important for her that she has to sacrifice her own principles and act like she didnt like the hat
I see where you’re coming from, but tbh I feel like Glinda as a character wouldn’t do that. From every moment after that, we see that she’s a rlly is a good, compassionate person deep down, more than most. Ofc, she still bullies elphaba for a bit, but to give away a family heirloom for that is a whole other thing. At the same time, I don’t even see what she had to gain from doing that. It’s not like bullying her at the school dance would get her into sorcery class. Only jealousy, and giving away a family heirloom just cause ur a bit jealous at school is a level of messed up that Glinda simply would never do. And I believe if she did do it, it’d throw a bit of a wrench in the story bc it changes her fundamentally. But that’s just how I see it!
My head canon is partially that it’s an out-of-style hat but additionally that they laugh specifically because it’s Elphaba wearing it. If we saw someone walking around town in disco clothing today, we probably wouldn’t think twice about it, though it might draw our eye. Now imagine you’re at a college party and the person everyone absolutely despises on campus dares to show their face at this social event. And not only that, but they’re dressed up like John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever. I think this disdain towards her is what prompts everyone to stop, stare, and laugh at someone so out-of-touch they wore something that was fashionable half a century ago.
What if Glinda's grandmother was a disgraced witch ? Not for being evil but maybe she just sucked at magic and brought shame to her family. The hat would be the Oz equivalent of a dunce cap. That would explain why Morrible was so certain that Glinda couldn't become a witch.
doesn’t Elphaba’s wearing of the hat make it a witch hat? I thought The Wicked Witch from Wizard of Oz created the concept of the pointy hat for witches?
@@thegoldchild We don't know the origin of the pointy hat for witches. I'm not very familiar with the Wizard of Oz and Wicked so I don't know if this hat became a symbol of evil witches for the people of Oz in the second part. It's possible for a symbol to change meaning over time and context, so I imagined why in the Wicked movie the students had such a bad reaction seeing the hat before it could be associated with the wicked witch of the west.
@@andreadrussel2716in the original oz book the witch has no hat. The hat is only in the wicked book because she has a hat in the 1939 movie. The same with green skin. No green in the OG book.
1) galinda tried to "sell" the idea to elphaba that the hat was in trend, if true coming from an ozian socialite, this would be an amazing gift 2) the joke is that it was generally seen as ugly, but elphaba doesnt have a good frame of reference for style, even though she comes from a high-status family (father is a governor) 3) in the musical, the hat initially had a black flower attached to it, then removed when elphaba started wearing it, implying that even she knew it was ugly to begin with, but galinda gave her a gift, something she probably never gotten before by anyone. 4) it was explained in the bts that the movie hat was designed to function with a popup spring mechanic and to also look like an obscure mountain from the opening scene of the film. 5) in the musical, one of the early concepts was that her style journey into becoming the 1939 wicked witch would develop throughout the show. she begins the story greenskin; she gains the hat; the goat professor dies and she wears a black dress to the funeral(scrapped section); she touches a broom that ends up reacting to her flight spell; glinda gives her a cloak for comfort because elphaba is shivering; then she gains the full outfit
Maybe it’s just me but the scene in the movie when her friends find the hat, it feels like Glinda bought the hat and liked it but it never went with something she’d wear. There is something about the look Ariana gives when they pull out the hat and make fun of it, she seemed almost offended at first and then it is like she has to quickly come up with a lie.
to me, it has always been more the person than the outfit. Elphaba was always an outcast, and the movie only further plays it up with extra emphasis on her arrival to shiz. the ballroom mirrors her arrival, with the entire crowd brought to shock by the outcast boldly showing up to a social environment, galinda is convinced by her courage, and the crowd is pacified by the approval of the most popular girl on campus. The hat is just... a strange fashion choice that further isolates elphaba while showing a trust in galinda that is what convinces her to help in the first place.
Me and my sister wondered why they were so disgusted by the hat too, since the Ozians make some... Bold outfit choices too. but maybe that's the point. We thought that maybe, in this world where bright colors are everywhere, the idea of showing up to a party in black is a terrible faux pas. Like wearing yellow to a funeral or something.
Uhm... No, she didn't? She just asked her to take up Glinda as her student, but I doubt she specifically said, "Would you tutor Glinda as well? She's at the Ozdust right now. Maybe you could come and tell her there." Like, nope... The reason she was there is because the plot demanded it.
@@Whatever94-i4uMorrible did say that Elphaba demanded she tell Galinda that very night or she would quit. Surely with such a demand, Elphaba wouldn’t leave out the super important detail of the unusual place Galinda had gone. Kind of defeats the purpose of the ultimatum, no?
I think the hat resembles a horn, and the only creatures that had horns on that world were Animals... and as they were discriminated, who in a sane mind would want to wear something that might make them look like an Animal?
I’m sorry but the hat Glinda gives her in the novel is not supposed to be the pointy witch hat, it’s just a short regular style hat. Elphaba wears the pointy black hat with the wide brimmed later on in the story but it’s not given much focus, it’s just a hat she wears to both conceal her identity and protect her from wind and rain.
The problem with the "historical connotation" theory is that if everyone in the room sees a problem with the hat, that includes Munchkins, i.e. people with a similar background to Elphaba. If there's something objective about it that everyone recognizes immediately, Elphaba should know it too. I think the simplest explanation is really the best: Ozians are weird, they have weird tastes, and to them this hat is unspeakably ugly, but Elphaba has no taste in fashion.
I can't imagine this was ever a thought in a writer's mind with this movie (or the musical or book either probably) but it's interesting to think that maybe there could be a wicked witch association with that style of hat specifically because of the Wizard. He did come from our world after all, and there's been witch associations with pointy hats for a long time as you said. Maybe he told stories of wicked witches in pointy hats that traveled far enough culturally to make people see that style of hat in a negative light.
It reminds me of the Sorting Hat from the Harry Potter movies. Dumbledore, Gandalf and Merlin have all been depicted wearing similarly shaped hats. It really is just a version of the classic black witch's hat from the Wizard of Oz movie, the stage production of Wicked and from history as you pointed out at the very beginning. A style of hat that has had a negative association when women where it.
My theory is that, as that type of hat is associated with people in our world that were persecuted, perhaps it is the same in Oz. This kind of hat might be associated with persecuted groups, being sort of taboo to wear, thus Ozians are shocked to see Elphaba in this hat, not just because it's out of style but also due to its taboo nature. Perhaps not even because of a particularly wicked witch before Elphaba, but another group of persecuted individuals?
this just occurred to me: when elphaba walks into the ozdust ballroom and everyone stops to stare at her, do they actually comment about the hat? (they might, i can't recall - think i need to watch the movie a 3rd time haha) if they don't specifically mention the hat, i wonder if they're just staring/pointing/whispering because they're shocked to see elphaba there. at this point nobody at shiz likes her yet, so maybe they just don't want her to be there and it has nothing to do with the hat itself. assuming it's true that no one actually commented on the hat itself, the theory about the hat just being out of fashion and that being why galinda & friends don't like it could also be correct.
While I initially thought the hat Galinda has her try on in the book has nothing to do with anything witchy at all (and basically just gets turned into a pink flower in the musical), now that I think about it, I wonder if it was a sly reference to the forgotten-in-adaptation Golden Cap in the original 1900 book. That's the only hat the Wicked Witch there wears, and it's one of her most powerful magical tools, giving her control of the Flying Monkeys. Of course, it has no powers in Wicked (book) and is never seen again, but much like Galinda's red shoes in the movie, it could be a reference.
i was thinking that the hat was actually a sentimental peice for Glinda. you’re telling me of all those pink ruffles, a greyish black collaspable hat just hid itself? no i think this is symbolism of not only Glinda’s cruelty to other but also to herself. being so cruel as to give someone she hated an ugly hat but also to give away something that was probably soecail to her. as Elphiba later gives her something that is special to HER through asking for her to join the lesson. but Elphiba is doing if out of a kindness and is opening up her space to Glinda where as Glinda was doing it out of malice and further shutting her space in. but upon seeing Elphiba be mocked she sees she was right about the hat, and the part of herself. and she goes to show Elphiba that is she was also right to open up, while Glinda rights her wrong. in the second part of the story a song/creed i find interesting is “no good deed goes unpunished” Glinda’s ‘good deed’ of sacrificing her hat and possible a sentimental peace yo up keep her look went punished by seeing the effect of her actions. idk if this makes sense
Heyy, so I didn't read the book just watched both movies, if I could ask something, in the beginning, Dorothy appeared walking on the Yellow brick road, so the witch that she kills is Nessarosa? Did she became a "Wicked" witch just because of association with Elphaba? I'm sure there's much more context in the book but I'm a louser reader, but I did see that Glinda had the ruby shoes in the movie, did she gift it to Nessa? I know it's a lot of missed context but if you could just sumarize to me, because in the begining Elphaba died but Dorothy was just crossing the Yellow brick road, idk if they maybe just did it out of order on the movie, if you could just tell me a bit, I liked the video, I think the theory that Glinda's grandmother made it and it was actually unique never seen before design is a really interesting theory.
Nessa kind of just becomes wicked on her own, basically after defying gravity elphaba leaves nessa and everyone else behind for a few years and goes off on her own, meanwhile elphaba and nessas dad died when he saw what elphaba had done. After he died, Nessa became the new governor of munchkin land and took away the rights of the munchkins to keep boq with her and stop him from ever leaving munchkin land, this is what makes her the wicked witch of the east. Also the ruby slippers are a gift from the dad but they are silver in the musical instead of red. If you watch the second act of the musical it explains everything.
@@brycesusong6307Just to tack onto what you said, the slippers were originally silver in Baum’s novel, but ruby-red shoes stood out much better when they were recording in Technicolor back in the 30s. After the movie became a hit, those ruby shoes became iconic. Wicked is staying true to the original work in that regard, but Galinda holding up some red shoes and clicking their heels three times is an homage to the 1939 version.
Part of the reaon the people overeact the way they do is beacuse Oz is just a very OtT universe, everyone there is OtT. You say that you don't buy that it would 'elicit this much disgust', which it wouldn't in everyday people, but this isn't everyday people, it's Ozians. I Don't think it's about them being shallow, it's about them being dramatic. This film is based off a stage play which is based off what is essentially a fairy tale, both forms of storytelling which sensationalise and upscale everything. So that's what I think this is, Oz is a dramatic theatrical universe and the characters are reacting in a dramatic theatrical way.
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I just noticed that the hat in the movie, upside down it looks like a stylized tornado.
Omg it does! 😮
One thing people are not noticing about the hat is how Glinda likes it or at least has some attachment to it. Like why would she bring that ugly piece with her to Shiz in the middle of all the pieces of clothing she meticulously picked of a perfect pink pallette?
When her friends found her hat, she seemed to stop a bit to think of an excuse for having it, in order to still seem perceived as "good" to them. And she even seemed a little hesitant of giving Elphaba the hat, only giving her once she saw her sorcery books.
Maybe the hat really is from her granny and it's a sentimental gift to her, but due to social pressure and jealousy, she gives it to Elphie.
Also I think the students don't like the hat only because it's Elphaba wearing it and it's not something usually worn or in style in Oz.
Yesss I just made a comment about this too!! I’m glad I’m not the only one
she has no attachment to this hat and she doens't even like it. If she did she would not immediatly give it to a sranger whom she LOATHES. Common now
@@stonegreen972 She could only give it to someone who she specifically loathes because her friends pressured her to do so. She wanted to prove to them that she did dislike the hat and that she would only give it away to her most hated person, and so they all thought of Elphaba, so she had to follow through with that. Also, she was certain that everyone would make fun of her with that hat, so it's another win for her. Get her friends' approval and humiliate her enemy.
@@stonegreen972i think you missed the whole point of OP’s comment… the whole point is she probably DID like it. but social acceptance and popularity is way too important for her that she has to sacrifice her own principles and act like she didnt like the hat
I see where you’re coming from, but tbh I feel like Glinda as a character wouldn’t do that. From every moment after that, we see that she’s a rlly is a good, compassionate person deep down, more than most. Ofc, she still bullies elphaba for a bit, but to give away a family heirloom for that is a whole other thing. At the same time, I don’t even see what she had to gain from doing that. It’s not like bullying her at the school dance would get her into sorcery class. Only jealousy, and giving away a family heirloom just cause ur a bit jealous at school is a level of messed up that Glinda simply would never do. And I believe if she did do it, it’d throw a bit of a wrench in the story bc it changes her fundamentally. But that’s just how I see it!
My head canon is partially that it’s an out-of-style hat but additionally that they laugh specifically because it’s Elphaba wearing it. If we saw someone walking around town in disco clothing today, we probably wouldn’t think twice about it, though it might draw our eye. Now imagine you’re at a college party and the person everyone absolutely despises on campus dares to show their face at this social event. And not only that, but they’re dressed up like John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever. I think this disdain towards her is what prompts everyone to stop, stare, and laugh at someone so out-of-touch they wore something that was fashionable half a century ago.
What if Glinda's grandmother was a disgraced witch ? Not for being evil but maybe she just sucked at magic and brought shame to her family. The hat would be the Oz equivalent of a dunce cap. That would explain why Morrible was so certain that Glinda couldn't become a witch.
I love this theory
doesn’t Elphaba’s wearing of the hat make it a witch hat? I thought The Wicked Witch from Wizard of Oz created the concept of the pointy hat for witches?
@@thegoldchild We don't know the origin of the pointy hat for witches. I'm not very familiar with the Wizard of Oz and Wicked so I don't know if this hat became a symbol of evil witches for the people of Oz in the second part. It's possible for a symbol to change meaning over time and context, so I imagined why in the Wicked movie the students had such a bad reaction seeing the hat before it could be associated with the wicked witch of the west.
@@andreadrussel2716in the original oz book the witch has no hat. The hat is only in the wicked book because she has a hat in the 1939 movie. The same with green skin. No green in the OG book.
In the movie Galinda does say that her grandma made the hat
The exact line is "I know. It's my granny. She always makes me the most hideoteous hats"
1) galinda tried to "sell" the idea to elphaba that the hat was in trend, if true coming from an ozian socialite, this would be an amazing gift
2) the joke is that it was generally seen as ugly, but elphaba doesnt have a good frame of reference for style, even though she comes from a high-status family (father is a governor)
3) in the musical, the hat initially had a black flower attached to it, then removed when elphaba started wearing it, implying that even she knew it was ugly to begin with, but galinda gave her a gift, something she probably never gotten before by anyone.
4) it was explained in the bts that the movie hat was designed to function with a popup spring mechanic and to also look like an obscure mountain from the opening scene of the film.
5) in the musical, one of the early concepts was that her style journey into becoming the 1939 wicked witch would develop throughout the show. she begins the story greenskin; she gains the hat; the goat professor dies and she wears a black dress to the funeral(scrapped section); she touches a broom that ends up reacting to her flight spell; glinda gives her a cloak for comfort because elphaba is shivering;
then she gains the full outfit
Maybe it’s just me but the scene in the movie when her friends find the hat, it feels like Glinda bought the hat and liked it but it never went with something she’d wear. There is something about the look Ariana gives when they pull out the hat and make fun of it, she seemed almost offended at first and then it is like she has to quickly come up with a lie.
to me, it has always been more the person than the outfit. Elphaba was always an outcast, and the movie only further plays it up with extra emphasis on her arrival to shiz. the ballroom mirrors her arrival, with the entire crowd brought to shock by the outcast boldly showing up to a social environment, galinda is convinced by her courage, and the crowd is pacified by the approval of the most popular girl on campus. The hat is just... a strange fashion choice that further isolates elphaba while showing a trust in galinda that is what convinces her to help in the first place.
Me and my sister wondered why they were so disgusted by the hat too, since the Ozians make some... Bold outfit choices too. but maybe that's the point. We thought that maybe, in this world where bright colors are everywhere, the idea of showing up to a party in black is a terrible faux pas. Like wearing yellow to a funeral or something.
"who invited [morrible]?" girl elphie did
Uhm... No, she didn't? She just asked her to take up Glinda as her student, but I doubt she specifically said, "Would you tutor Glinda as well? She's at the Ozdust right now. Maybe you could come and tell her there." Like, nope... The reason she was there is because the plot demanded it.
@@Whatever94-i4uMorrible did say that Elphaba demanded she tell Galinda that very night or she would quit. Surely with such a demand, Elphaba wouldn’t leave out the super important detail of the unusual place Galinda had gone. Kind of defeats the purpose of the ultimatum, no?
I thought elphie knew it was a back-handed gift, but I was wrong.
I do recall her telling the lady to come though, for sure
I think the hat resembles a horn, and the only creatures that had horns on that world were Animals... and as they were discriminated, who in a sane mind would want to wear something that might make them look like an Animal?
along with resembling a horn, someone pointed out that upside down, it looks like a tornado!
I’m sorry but the hat Glinda gives her in the novel is not supposed to be the pointy witch hat, it’s just a short regular style hat. Elphaba wears the pointy black hat with the wide brimmed later on in the story but it’s not given much focus, it’s just a hat she wears to both conceal her identity and protect her from wind and rain.
The problem with the "historical connotation" theory is that if everyone in the room sees a problem with the hat, that includes Munchkins, i.e. people with a similar background to Elphaba. If there's something objective about it that everyone recognizes immediately, Elphaba should know it too.
I think the simplest explanation is really the best: Ozians are weird, they have weird tastes, and to them this hat is unspeakably ugly, but Elphaba has no taste in fashion.
ooh yeah that’s a good point! like not participating in fashion trends and completely living under a rock are two different things
I can't imagine this was ever a thought in a writer's mind with this movie (or the musical or book either probably) but it's interesting to think that maybe there could be a wicked witch association with that style of hat specifically because of the Wizard. He did come from our world after all, and there's been witch associations with pointy hats for a long time as you said. Maybe he told stories of wicked witches in pointy hats that traveled far enough culturally to make people see that style of hat in a negative light.
It reminds me of the Sorting Hat from the Harry Potter movies. Dumbledore, Gandalf and Merlin have all been depicted wearing similarly shaped hats. It really is just a version of the classic black witch's hat from the Wizard of Oz movie, the stage production of Wicked and from history as you pointed out at the very beginning. A style of hat that has had a negative association when women where it.
My theory is that, as that type of hat is associated with people in our world that were persecuted, perhaps it is the same in Oz. This kind of hat might be associated with persecuted groups, being sort of taboo to wear, thus Ozians are shocked to see Elphaba in this hat, not just because it's out of style but also due to its taboo nature. Perhaps not even because of a particularly wicked witch before Elphaba, but another group of persecuted individuals?
this just occurred to me: when elphaba walks into the ozdust ballroom and everyone stops to stare at her, do they actually comment about the hat? (they might, i can't recall - think i need to watch the movie a 3rd time haha)
if they don't specifically mention the hat, i wonder if they're just staring/pointing/whispering because they're shocked to see elphaba there. at this point nobody at shiz likes her yet, so maybe they just don't want her to be there and it has nothing to do with the hat itself.
assuming it's true that no one actually commented on the hat itself, the theory about the hat just being out of fashion and that being why galinda & friends don't like it could also be correct.
Occam’s razor: it’s disgusting/hilarious because Elphaba is wearing it and they hate her.
While I initially thought the hat Galinda has her try on in the book has nothing to do with anything witchy at all (and basically just gets turned into a pink flower in the musical), now that I think about it, I wonder if it was a sly reference to the forgotten-in-adaptation Golden Cap in the original 1900 book. That's the only hat the Wicked Witch there wears, and it's one of her most powerful magical tools, giving her control of the Flying Monkeys. Of course, it has no powers in Wicked (book) and is never seen again, but much like Galinda's red shoes in the movie, it could be a reference.
I like to imagine her Grandma made it for Galinda because she thinks she is a spoiled little Witch.
With theory 2 the line in the movie does say her granny makes the hat.
But noticed that no one outside of the ball has a problem. Because in the emerald city no one looks at her weird
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i was thinking that the hat was actually a sentimental peice for Glinda. you’re telling me of all those pink ruffles, a greyish black collaspable hat just hid itself? no i think this is symbolism of not only Glinda’s cruelty to other but also to herself. being so cruel as to give someone she hated an ugly hat but also to give away something that was probably soecail to her. as Elphiba later gives her something that is special to HER through asking for her to join the lesson. but Elphiba is doing if out of a kindness and is opening up her space to Glinda where as Glinda was doing it out of malice and further shutting her space in.
but upon seeing Elphiba be mocked she sees she was right about the hat, and the part of herself. and she goes to show Elphiba that is she was also right to open up, while Glinda rights her wrong.
in the second part of the story a song/creed i find interesting is “no good deed goes unpunished”
Glinda’s ‘good deed’ of sacrificing her hat and possible a sentimental peace yo up keep her look went punished by seeing the effect of her actions.
idk if this makes sense
Heyy, so I didn't read the book just watched both movies, if I could ask something, in the beginning, Dorothy appeared walking on the Yellow brick road, so the witch that she kills is Nessarosa? Did she became a "Wicked" witch just because of association with Elphaba? I'm sure there's much more context in the book but I'm a louser reader, but I did see that Glinda had the ruby shoes in the movie, did she gift it to Nessa? I know it's a lot of missed context but if you could just sumarize to me, because in the begining Elphaba died but Dorothy was just crossing the Yellow brick road, idk if they maybe just did it out of order on the movie, if you could just tell me a bit, I liked the video, I think the theory that Glinda's grandmother made it and it was actually unique never seen before design is a really interesting theory.
Nessa kind of just becomes wicked on her own, basically after defying gravity elphaba leaves nessa and everyone else behind for a few years and goes off on her own, meanwhile elphaba and nessas dad died when he saw what elphaba had done. After he died, Nessa became the new governor of munchkin land and took away the rights of the munchkins to keep boq with her and stop him from ever leaving munchkin land, this is what makes her the wicked witch of the east. Also the ruby slippers are a gift from the dad but they are silver in the musical instead of red. If you watch the second act of the musical it explains everything.
@@brycesusong6307Just to tack onto what you said, the slippers were originally silver in Baum’s novel, but ruby-red shoes stood out much better when they were recording in Technicolor back in the 30s. After the movie became a hit, those ruby shoes became iconic.
Wicked is staying true to the original work in that regard, but Galinda holding up some red shoes and clicking their heels three times is an homage to the 1939 version.
Part of the reaon the people overeact the way they do is beacuse Oz is just a very OtT universe, everyone there is OtT.
You say that you don't buy that it would 'elicit this much disgust', which it wouldn't in everyday people, but this isn't everyday people, it's Ozians. I Don't think it's about them being shallow, it's about them being dramatic.
This film is based off a stage play which is based off what is essentially a fairy tale, both forms of storytelling which sensationalise and upscale everything.
So that's what I think this is, Oz is a dramatic theatrical universe and the characters are reacting in a dramatic theatrical way.
It's the Harry Potter Hat... Not the Wicked Witch of the West 1939 one ! 😢
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