Amazing work! You have some great SW content and this is just a masterpiece! Youre content has helped me get a deeper understanding of the endless lore. Keep up the great work!
Hey, whatever I like IS canon in my own head anyway. And as long as I'm not alone, the Star Wars universe remains an awesome place. Thanks for your contribution!
This is very nice. The Celestials,angels,Star Dragons. Very nice history. Yes,dragons are friendly,they protect,they're teachers,guardians. Very nice history. Watched to 22 :05. Thanks for this. May the Force be with you,always😊
Tolkien was a big inspiration to George Lucas originally from what I heard. I also bet Tolkien would of liked star wars (he liked stories about conflicts between distinct good and evil sides).
Thanks from this freshly postpartum mom. Watching through all your Star Wars videos while I pump and nurse has kept me from going insane! These are so fun and enjoyable.
So I'm a huge Tolkien fan it's basically my version of the Bible and I don't mind the supreme maker at all they made it unique enough that it's not total copyright infringement lol
@@tedrpz which is 100% correct because Tolkien was a professor of theology and linguistics so like the first commenter said it is entirely his inspiration
Heck yeah love these long videos man they’re so good and also really enjoy that it’s on parts of older lore which to me is really interesting and who doesn’t enjoy long videos of Star Wars lore because for me I can’t get enough of them
"Canon" is such a bogus word.. I understand what it supposedly means, but real Star Wars will always coincide with George Lucas' vision. NOT Disney's poor adaptation of such vision simply because they "bought it"... I sincerely doubt George Lucas intended Luke to be a green walrus milk drinking loser who refuses to help anyone... I just don't think that "fits" Star Wars....
@@A_Black_Sheep94 You don't really think the sequels and Acolyte is what the "majority" of the fans are into? Do you? Technically people are allowed to believe whatever nonsense they want in a secular society, however, the shareholders at Disney would like to have a word with Lucasfilm, Bob Eiger, and Kathleen Kennedy about the total LACK of profits....
I do not recognise the storylines named "canon" by the powers that be. It seems extremely arrogant and naive to think you can just sweep away decades of mostly wonderful work. Make no mistake, I really love Mando, Bad Batch, CW, Rebels, select episodes of BoBF and several of the new movies. It's not all bad and I think pretty lazy to view nu-Star Wars that way. But it was a mistake to turn so many fans against them by just casually saying "the stuff you like sucks and we can do it better." Frankly it's stupid and I don't see why a compromise couldn't have been easily made. But then again, logic and reason seem to be dead things in this world
i love that we've come full circle and view Lucas as part of "real Star Wars" again. Disney must have REALLY generated so much animosity towards them for that to happen. For years and years we hated George Lucas 😂
Could you maybe use a map, if you make a vid like this again? It gets super hard to follow with all the different names of the planets and species at some point. It would be so much easier to understand, if you show a map with icons of the species or somathing like that. But still amazing vid ^^
I can see why some might look at this at not canon it has lots of the simarillian in it but anyone who thinks that should remember Tolkien himself said he wanted people to be inspired by his works just like he was by other people's
I wanna thank you for keeping up the peak star wars videos especially the ones on the old times i fell in love with the old republic bc of you I learned ab legends from you 4 years ago and now i known it back and forth i thank you every day for keeping star wars alive if you ever see this can you make a holocron on lukes jedi orders best duelists
Back with another banger! Loved the live stream yesterday too! I cant get enough of dash razzing the shit out of you! You can tell you are the star wars sweetheart everybody loves stups!❤
When and _IF_ the Star Wars franchise were to ever get a full on reboot, consisting of the rewrite of current Canon, Legends, and Non-Canon materials alike, then the subject matter of THIS video _should_ be used as the foundational basis for a New Star Wars franchise.
Stupendous bravo! This is a true masterpiece and a remarkable chronicle of work, one I sincerely hope remains canon. I never realized just how Tolkienesque the early Star Wars universe was. I about the Gree, Kwa, and the hypwr gates and Infinity Gates but i had no idea just how deep their history went.I began to wonder if one might even be discovered on Peridea. I’m curious how much of the established history Dave will honor and how much he might reshape. Knowing Dave’s work, I trust it will retain its Tolkien roots. In any case, thank you for this extraordinary contribution hat off to you sir.
This was an incredible video, you made something incredibly complex and strange even somewhat possible to follow (though I still got kinda lost by some parts lol). Overall I think the stories of the celestials and the bedlam spirits were interesting, but it felt like the force was not really a part of the whole thing at all. Star Wars revolves entirely around the force and its will and such, and it feels like these were just a bunch of godlike beings that were above the force, the fact that you hardly mentioned the force at all during the stories involving these entities spoke volumes. By the time you started talking about some of the celestials becoming the ones, it really hit me that everything before that point just didn't feel like star wars, and that the force seemed more like an afterthought for the writers responsible for that period of time. Which is a shame, the force is supposed to make up everything and have a will of its own and yet it seems almost trivial for most of the early history of the universe. I also think that part of the allure of star wars is that while it has supernatural stuff, it's generally grounded in reality and in scope. It focuses heavily on worldbuilding, factions, politics, individual people and their relationships, and how all of these things interact as a whole. When you get to such cosmic proportions with godly beings, and their interactions with mortals being described as their relationships with entire species, it just feels so abstract and huge in scope that it loses its human touch.
Thanks for saying that about the vid man, and I agree with your analysis, the force really should be an integral part of the creation. I do think the book is fascinating and worth a full read for more context.
Gosh, darnit. Right before I have a family dinner. Until later my precious. Side note, where would people rank Revan and Ajunta pall in power levels relative to Obiwan, Dooku, Windu, and Vader?
@ Yes, it was a supercool stream as always when you guys get together. Only caught a small section as it streams at a crazy hour in the morning UK. Everyone turning up with there lightsabers was cool ❤️
Star Wars has always had a multiverse of continuities: 1.) George Lucas episodes 1 - 6 The G-Canon, & his sequel treatments. 2.) The EU Episodes 1 - 6 plus mirror alternate universe expanded lore from fan writers. This includes Clone Wars(2003) which was meant to be in between episodes 2 & 3 but fits the EU’s interpretation of the films a lot more then the films themselves. 3.) George & Dave’s new continuity of The G-Canon Episodes 1 - 6 plus The Clone Wars. (George considers the 2008 Tv show that he worked on with Dave as apart of his continuity since it was made, He felt the same way when the 2003 show was made until he made this one.) but despite George’s view this show while a masterpiece has glaring flaws in continuity errors and narrative errors to both his films, & The EU, it doesn’t even fit the continuity of (2003) two part tv show which I remember the media at the time believing this version to be a continuation of that very show when it started. Even though this was meant to be apart of George’s G-Canon and he had no intentions of fitting it into The EU which he saw as a parallel universe for fans, at the end of the day Filoni (genius Star Wars storyteller) created a lot ideas with his staff in the stories of the show that contradict the continuity & narrative of The Films lore, which is very evident. (As much as I love Dave Filoni for The Clone Wars & Rebels, despite their errors this is the same man that was behind disney Lucasfilm’s backwards direction of Their sequels including Jake Skywalker.) 4.) The New Disney Star Wars continuity at the beginning: Episodes 1 - 6, The Clone Wars, Star Wars Rebels, & Their films and books (With all my gripes behind The D-Canon I got Star Wars Rebels, rogue one , and solo a Star Wars story, despite the various flaws in all three they were the closest to feeling like genuine Star Wars projects.) UPDATE: Well it started off with The G-Canon then the multiverse formed as a result of George wanting to create a space for fans to tell their own Star Wars stories. Star Wars & Indiana Jones work Off a Multiverse Canon systems for their IP’s. For Star Wars, G-Canon was at the top, In the continuity of this main universe George’s versions of events which started off The Sith, The Jedi and The Republic happen. "Everybody said, 'Oh, well, there was a war between the Jedi and the Sith.' Well, that never happened. That's just made up by fans or somebody. What really happened is, the Sith ruled the universe for a while, 2000 years ago. Each Sith has an apprentice, but the problem was, each Sith Lord got to be powerful. And the Sith Lords would try to kill each other because they all wanted to be the most powerful. So in the end they killed each other of, and there wasn't anything left. So the idea is that when you have a Sith Lord, and he has an apprentice, the apprentice is always trying to recruit somebody to join him, because he's not strong enough, usually, so that he can kill his master." So within The G-Canon The Sith ruled the universe two thousand years before The Phantom Menace but they killed each other out of their lust for power and then The Jedi & The Republic formed over the course of that time to build a better time of peace for The Galaxy and The Universe. The events of The Six films happen: Star Wars: The Phantom Menace Star Wars: Attack Of The Clones Star Wars: Revenge Of The Sith Star Wars: A New Hope Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back Star Wars: Return Of The Jedi With The (2003) Clone Wars show that was made during the run of The Prequel Trilogy was originally taking place between Episode 2 Attack Of The Clones & Episode 3 Revenge Of The Sith before later being retconned by George Lucas & Dave Filoni with The 2008 TCW (The Clone Wars Show) Also within The G-Canon is George Lucas’s plans for his sequel trilogy which my project is based on. T-Canon below it as an Alternate Timeline where the early version of the 2008 TCW show took place before Star Wars was sold to Disney. EU (Legends) as a whole Parallel/Alternate Universe where all The Old Books, Games , etc take place along with The (2003) Clone Wars Show that used to be apart of The G-Canon but was retconned for the creation of The 2008 (TCW) The Clone Wars Show, and now permanently placed within The EU afterwards. This is The Pre-Disney Star Wars Hierarchy of Canon. Aka The Star Wars Multiverse Canon System. G-CANON: The Six Star Wars Movies. T-CANON: Star Wars The Clone Wars. C-CANON: AlI Expanded Universe Books, Comics, Video Games etc... S-CANON: Some Pre-Zahn works and alternate choices in Video Games. NON-CANON: Star Wars Infinities and alternate endings to Video Games "Canon refers to an authoritative list of books that the Lucas Licensing editors consider an authentic part of the official Star Wars history.” “Our goal is to present a continuous and unifed history of the Star Wars galaxy, in so far as that history does not conflict with, or undermine the meaning of Mr. Lucas's saga of films and screenplays'. Things that Lucas Licensing does not consider official parts of the continuous Star Wars history show an Infinities logo or are contained in Star Wars tales. Everything else is considered canon." Sue Rostoni, Editor at Lucas Licensing Star Wars Gamer Magazine, Issue #6, July 2001 There are two worlds here," explained Lucas. "There's my world, which is the movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe- licensing world of the books, games and comic books." -the George Lucas, Cinescape, 2002 "I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don’t know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it Consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if l come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions. "n - George Lucas, Starlog, August 2005 "But there's three worlds: There's my world that I made up, there's the licensing world that's the books, the comics, all that kind of stuff, the games, which is their world, and then there's the fans' world, which is also very rich in imagination, but they don't always mesh. All I'm in charge of is my world. I can't be in charge of those other people's world, because I can't keep up with it."- George Lucas, Flannelled One, Mar. 2008 The Disney Canon is an Alternate Timeline to the events of The G-Canon & The T-Canon when George Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney, it is where stuff like Star Wars Rebels, The Mandalorian, and those other shows or The Filoni-Verse as I like to call it 😂 😂 😂 & The Disney Star Wars Sequel Trilogy 🤢 🤮, & and all other Disney Star Wars Products take place. It isn’t just another simple alternate timeline though as Disney decanonized the Star Wars multiverse canon system as we knew it when they bought Star Wars from George Lucas. Disney Lucasfilm created a one timeline system for The Disney Canon where they now do what they do. So now Disney Star Wars is the new current Star Wars Universe that we continue to witness currently in Modern Star Wars products. Many people don’t want to admit that the canon hierarchy is an extension of The Star Wars Multiverse with George Lucas’s G-Canon films 1-6 being our universe-1 so to speak. Stuff like The T Canon (TCW) being Filoni’s continuity or The Filoniverse , The S Canon or The C Canon (EU) is not just apart of a wider universe but wider multiverse as well.
"I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I dont know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it Consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if l come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions. "n - George Lucas, Starlog, August 2005 “There are two worlds here; There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe-the licensing world of the books, games and comic books.” - George Lucas, Cinescape, July 2001 “Howard tries to be consistent but sometimes he goes off on tangents and it’s hard to hold him back. He once said to me that there are two Star Trek universes: there’s the TV show and then there’s all the spin-offs. He said that these were completely different and didn’t have anything to do with each other. So I said, ‘OK, go ahead.’” - George Lucas, Total Film, May 2007 When people don’t know this or don’t want to accepted a lot of confusion happens in the fandom over what matters and what doesn’t. This isn’t me saying George didn’t care about the EU or that it’s not important this is me filling in the facts, the concept of parallel universes or a multiverse for different specific continuities has been there since the start of the EU so fans can tell their own Star Wars stories while George can tell his own Star Wars stories since he is the head of Star Wars. Disney trying to make this all one timeline and just erasing other Star Wars continuities is contradictory to George’s approach with Star Wars. Fun fact The early Clone Wars that came out before Revenge Of The Sith, Star Wars Clone Wars (2003) by Genndy Tartakovsky was originally apart of The G-Canon because under George’s direction it was meant to explore The Clone Wars at the time, George & Filoni’s TCW was also meant to be an extension of that original show but it ended up just being added to The EU as a Secondary Canon or C Canon over time. Now this is my more speculation approach To The Star Wars Multiverse with facts and opinions of what happened in it. The G-Canon which is George’s personal canon is episodes 1-6, his ideas and plans for 7-9 and his ideas of what came before the events of episode 1. Sometimes he includes The TCW(2008) show but while mostly a great masterpiece that show still has its own inconsistencies. He also originally included the (2003) clone wars show back during the run of the prequels and they still match a lot with the continuity of the films so they’re technically still canon but toward the later half of them like TCW has inconsistencies that can’t be un noticed. The EU is Universe Two of The Star Wars Multiverse where all the old iconic Star Wars books, games, and such come from and the events of the 2003 show coexist in this universe as well but the first two universes have a few events that co exist. Star Wars TCW (2008) from the end of season 5 -7 kinda branches off into the Disney canon timeline, as in George’s original vision Ahsoka would’ve died in Order 66, furthering Anakin’s fall to the Darkside so that happened in The G-Canon but in Pre Disney Canon when George was about to sell Star Wars To Disney Filoni made Ahsoka a survival arc because he was in the Ahsoka lives camp. Their are a few other things which cause inconsistencies by the end of season 5 to season 7 but I won’t get into that. That alternate timeline which lead to The Disney Canon continued with Star Wars Rebels and later Star Wars Resistance leading to the infamous Disney trilogy (famous if you like it.) So yeah we have three main universes. G-Canon, EU , & Disney Canon and a multitude of minor alternate timelines inbetween all of them. One of the bigger comparisons is that in The G-Canon The Sith came first when it came to impacting the Galaxy & universe creating Empires to rule everything but since each individual Sith were so greedy for power they killed each other that’s when The Jedi & The Republic came in to bring order and peace to The Galaxy, there is a chance The Jedi & Sith battled each other in this main universe a couple times but there were no full on wars, while in The EU, it started with The Je’daii an order of force users who used both the Lightside & the Darkside of The Force On a Planet where that created Balance due to the special moons on it made unique interestingly enough. Now in all Star Wars canons: G-Canon, T-Canon, (EU) which is all of S-Canon , C-Canon, N-Canon, & then we have Disney Canon it’s very much established that The Lightside Of The Force Is Balance and The Darkside is Imbalance. Meaning one establishes peace, while the other brings chaos & destruction but on this one planet in The EU where The Je’daii are happens to be one where it’s different in terms of balance is pretty interesting. Anyway The Je’daii couldn’t balance out using both The Lightside & The Darkside and with all the confusion both broke off into groups choosing one or the other. This would lead to many Jedi Sith Wars in The EU like The New Sith Wars which lead to The Jedi defeating The Sith eventually and The Jedi & The Sith establishing The Republic and this is after many years of war and death. So these are key differences between how things played out in the universes of The G-Canon & The EU.
Lucasfilm/Disney were so dumb to not use the Legends lore we all grew up with and(mostly)love. And that is one of the many reasons Kathleen Kennedy pisses me off is becuase when the last movie trilogy was going on and it wasn't doing close to as good as expected she quipped "well we didn't have anything after Jedi to work with and had to make it all up on our own"...WHAT? Lady there were a couple dozen books and prob about as many video games with TONS of awesome lore to take from and use. Getting to see full on badass Jedi Master Luke would have been priceless and it's what us decades long fans have been waiting to see on the screen...Then we get whiney bitchy Luke.... Sorry for the rant. I'm sure you feel me.
It would make sense for todays species to be the first since it seems like the firstborns had longer lives than most and yodas species can live to 900+
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The cosmic horrors of the beginning is enough to make you prefer being born during a sith war instead.
I know I can speak for everyone and say we LOVE these extra long holocrons.
Time to fall asleep to this for days
Took me several work days to get through but I really enjoyed this one . The ancient galaxy was just wild.
Amazing work! You have some great SW content and this is just a masterpiece! Youre content has helped me get a deeper understanding of the endless lore. Keep up the great work!
Thank you for the kind words! I'm glad you're enjoying it!
SW you just did a 5 hour livestream last night, and this gets released? Respect sir. Respect👍🏽👍🏽
Thanks, appreciate that!
My god, you speak with eloquent prose. Thanks for giving me the voice I never knew I needed to hear.
Appreciate you, man! 🙏
Hey, whatever I like IS canon in my own head anyway. And as long as I'm not alone, the Star Wars universe remains an awesome place. Thanks for your contribution!
I agree
Head-canon reigns supreme.
@ Yes
I'm right there with you
your vids have been a respite from politics and helping me sleep, thank you and keep up the lore dumps!
Of course! Have a wonderful night!
Damn Kiliks are first born? That’s super cool, they were fun to interact with and learn about in SWTOR.
Thank you for another great video to Stupendous Wave💯🔥
This is very nice. The Celestials,angels,Star Dragons. Very nice history. Yes,dragons are friendly,they protect,they're teachers,guardians. Very nice history. Watched to 22 :05. Thanks for this. May the Force be with you,always😊
This closely sounds like the J.R.R Silmarillion to me.😊
Pretty sure the silmarillion was a huge inspiration
Tolkien was a big inspiration to George Lucas originally from what I heard. I also bet Tolkien would of liked star wars (he liked stories about conflicts between distinct good and evil sides).
Somewhat close actually.
Need those morons at Disney Lucasfilm to adapt it.
I came here to say this.
most will sound and light into a void is used for all major religion even ours so common points of creation .
Super exccited to watch this! I LOVE Supernatural Encounters!
You guys are my star wars authority....love these legends vids
Wave and Theory keeping what Star Wars is suppose to be about ALIVE!
Thanks from this freshly postpartum mom. Watching through all your Star Wars videos while I pump and nurse has kept me from going insane! These are so fun and enjoyable.
Appreciate that, I'm glad I could be a part of your journey!
The Supreme Maker feels an awful lot like an attempt at making a Star Wars equivalent to Eru Ilúvatar.
Or the God of the Bible who was Tolkien’s inspiration for Eru.
So I'm a huge Tolkien fan it's basically my version of the Bible and I don't mind the supreme maker at all they made it unique enough that it's not total copyright infringement lol
To be fair Eru is already basically just the Judeo-Christian God and Morgoth is already pretty just Satan
@@tedrpz which is 100% correct because Tolkien was a professor of theology and linguistics so like the first commenter said it is entirely his inspiration
Funny, I was just imagining George floating in space creating things with his words.
Kudos to your team. This is great work.
Heck yeah love these long videos man they’re so good and also really enjoy that it’s on parts of older lore which to me is really interesting and who doesn’t enjoy long videos of Star Wars lore because for me I can’t get enough of them
Always the best videos and compilations, seemless and takes you to a galaxy far far away… ✨
This is why ST is one of, if not my favorite channel dedication thanks 👍
Thanks for the love!
@@TheStupendousWave seriously y'all rock
Thanks!
Thank you!
I literally asked for this video the other day. Thank you 🙏
Another Stupendous Wave timeline video? ☺
I'm starting to enjoy this format. Hopefully you can find the time to make more of them. 😍
More timelines to come!
There’s something distinctly fascinating about Star Wars cosmology
Thanks for the video i love learning more Star Wars lore your a legend 😃
What perfect time to be an inspiration to my writing. Muahah.
Sheesh, the author really took inspiration from the lord of the rings all right
My thought exactly!
So glad I'm not the only one who noticed 😅 my golly gosh.
So I guess basically Tolkien but in space and with maybe some Cyberpunk-like technology.
it's beat for beat the first part of the Silmarillion, like not merely inspired, it's more or less a direct ripoff.
I mean technically it isn't LOTR... much like neither is the Hobbit...
Obviously, some is also LDS as well...
Whoop long form vid 😮❤thanks 😊 2:56 appreciate this little added info 👍
stupendous wave best sw creator always kills it
New stupendous wave video! And a long one? It's Christmas morning!
Merry Christmas!
Just in time for me to start my work day! Thanks!
Man just listing to this calms my nervous down so much
Same I’m having panic attacks
Just hearing the man’s Voice last night when I was panicking calmed my nervous down sooo much
@@GalacticFlash I started to have a sensory overload at work today and put this video on to listen to and it helped me calm down immensely as well.
I concur
"Canon" is such a bogus word.. I understand what it supposedly means, but real Star Wars will always coincide with George Lucas' vision. NOT Disney's poor adaptation of such vision simply because they "bought it"... I sincerely doubt George Lucas intended Luke to be a green walrus milk drinking loser who refuses to help anyone... I just don't think that "fits" Star Wars....
It coincides with the will and believe of the fan base as a majority
@@A_Black_Sheep94 You don't really think the sequels and Acolyte is what the "majority" of the fans are into? Do you? Technically people are allowed to believe whatever nonsense they want in a secular society, however, the shareholders at Disney would like to have a word with Lucasfilm, Bob Eiger, and Kathleen Kennedy about the total LACK of profits....
Hear hear friend!
I do not recognise the storylines named "canon" by the powers that be. It seems extremely arrogant and naive to think you can just sweep away decades of mostly wonderful work.
Make no mistake, I really love Mando, Bad Batch, CW, Rebels, select episodes of BoBF and several of the new movies.
It's not all bad and I think pretty lazy to view nu-Star Wars that way.
But it was a mistake to turn so many fans against them by just casually saying "the stuff you like sucks and we can do it better."
Frankly it's stupid and I don't see why a compromise couldn't have been easily made. But then again, logic and reason seem to be dead things in this world
i love that we've come full circle and view Lucas as part of "real Star Wars" again. Disney must have REALLY generated so much animosity towards them for that to happen. For years and years we hated George Lucas 😂
What the heck how’d you get all this lore??? A whole podcast!!
Wheeeeew….well better get comfy in my council seat, this is gunna be a long one 😌🙏🏾
Humanity. Scourge of the galaxy.
I needed this video as a stars wars nerd thank you
Thank you for this wealth of information!
LETS GOOO!! STUPENDOUS !! YOU OUT HERE FLEXIN BOI! I’m listenin to this shiii while twistin one🔥 this perfect timing good looks SW as usual !! 🫡
You already know!
Could you maybe use a map, if you make a vid like this again? It gets super hard to follow with all the different names of the planets and species at some point. It would be so much easier to understand, if you show a map with icons of the species or somathing like that. But still amazing vid ^^
Omg mnggal mnggal came from tilotny, that's crazy I did not know that.
Now that i know how you look i feel like you are reading a good night story to me instead of me listening to a RUclips video.
Ah, anything to adagio in D minor makes anything better. I love this piece of music!
I was just wondering what I was gonna do tonight... now I know.
This would have made a great arc for clone wars as Yoda learns more of the force and meets the masked ones!
If I can get a full series on this and have it end with the first Jedi I would be happy
Imagine explaining all this to George
This is the only things getting me to work
I look forward to listening to this 🔥
Blud. We definitely need a Valar type like story for SW gods.
I can see why some might look at this at not canon it has lots of the simarillian in it but anyone who thinks that should remember Tolkien himself said he wanted people to be inspired by his works just like he was by other people's
What an absolute legend you are, thank you stupendous wave 😊
I wanna thank you for keeping up the peak star wars videos especially the ones on the old times i fell in love with the old republic bc of you I learned ab legends from you 4 years ago and now i known it back and forth i thank you every day for keeping star wars alive if you ever see this can you make a holocron on lukes jedi orders best duelists
SW, I love your lore videos, and I use long ones like this to lull me to sleep with my earphones in while I'm completing drug rehab. Thank you!
Glad it's helping, and good luck on your journey!
@@TheStupendousWave Dude, thank you! I never even expected you to see this, much less respond to it!
Noice, this is going to be a good watch
You and your team are so great! ❤ Everything you do!
Thank you for the love! It means a lot to know you're enjoying our work! ❤
WOW, this archive is mega long. Sit back and enjoy ❤
Back with another banger! Loved the live stream yesterday too! I cant get enough of dash razzing the shit out of you! You can tell you are the star wars sweetheart everybody loves stups!❤
Glad you enjoyed the stream! Thanks for the kind words!
@TheStupendousWave no thank you guys! OH and 1 in chat!!🤣🤣😜
So does this mean that Anakin became a celestial by the events of Ahsoka????
Awesome!
This Book by BONGIORNO is more CANON than any of the garbage Disney has shat on upon this world
What a fucking blessing this channel is.
When and _IF_ the Star Wars franchise were to ever get a full on reboot, consisting of the rewrite of current Canon, Legends, and Non-Canon materials alike, then the subject matter of THIS video _should_ be used as the foundational basis for a New Star Wars franchise.
Staigian cluster and Jii'dai hurts my brain.
love this video great work slight hiccup at 11:27 you say part to but on screen has part 3 the cosmic war
Just a minor issue..
It's Iego, with an upper case i, not lego with a lower case L
Kuthulu... they literally have kuthulu
Amazing!
8:55 oh hey Lucifer
still better than anything Disney is putting out
The god of the Star Wars universe sounds an awful lot like the God of the Bible when it comes to free will and not wanting mindless servants.
Can you get a PDF version of any of the supernatural encounter books
Stupendous bravo! This is a true masterpiece and a remarkable chronicle of work, one I sincerely hope remains canon. I never realized just how Tolkienesque the early Star Wars universe was. I about the Gree, Kwa, and the hypwr gates and Infinity Gates but i had no idea just how deep their history went.I began to wonder if one might even be discovered on Peridea. I’m curious how much of the established history Dave will honor and how much he might reshape. Knowing Dave’s work, I trust it will retain its Tolkien roots. In any case, thank you for this extraordinary contribution hat off to you sir.
Good soldiers, watch early, like, subscribe, and share
Absolutely ❤
Thank you sir!
@TheStupendousWave very good General!
What I learned: mnggal mnggal is very low on the tier list of eldritch abominations in the Star Wars Galaxy
This was an incredible video, you made something incredibly complex and strange even somewhat possible to follow (though I still got kinda lost by some parts lol). Overall I think the stories of the celestials and the bedlam spirits were interesting, but it felt like the force was not really a part of the whole thing at all. Star Wars revolves entirely around the force and its will and such, and it feels like these were just a bunch of godlike beings that were above the force, the fact that you hardly mentioned the force at all during the stories involving these entities spoke volumes. By the time you started talking about some of the celestials becoming the ones, it really hit me that everything before that point just didn't feel like star wars, and that the force seemed more like an afterthought for the writers responsible for that period of time. Which is a shame, the force is supposed to make up everything and have a will of its own and yet it seems almost trivial for most of the early history of the universe. I also think that part of the allure of star wars is that while it has supernatural stuff, it's generally grounded in reality and in scope. It focuses heavily on worldbuilding, factions, politics, individual people and their relationships, and how all of these things interact as a whole. When you get to such cosmic proportions with godly beings, and their interactions with mortals being described as their relationships with entire species, it just feels so abstract and huge in scope that it loses its human touch.
Thanks for saying that about the vid man, and I agree with your analysis, the force really should be an integral part of the creation. I do think the book is fascinating and worth a full read for more context.
Is there a website you can buy the supernatural encounters books on?
Now this is the next Star Wars Movie that we need.
Wait, I think you put an old concept art picture of saren from mass effect in there?
Gosh, darnit. Right before I have a family dinner. Until later my precious.
Side note, where would people rank Revan and Ajunta pall in power levels relative to Obiwan, Dooku, Windu, and Vader?
Yes, let’s gooooo!!!!!!!!!!❤
Saw you stopped by the stream last night. Much love, 🩵
@ Yes, it was a supercool stream as always when you guys get together. Only caught a small section as it streams at a crazy hour in the morning UK. Everyone turning up with there lightsabers was cool ❤️
Star Wars has always had a multiverse of continuities:
1.) George Lucas episodes 1 - 6
The G-Canon, & his sequel treatments.
2.) The EU Episodes 1 - 6 plus mirror alternate universe expanded lore from fan writers.
This includes Clone Wars(2003) which was meant to be in between episodes 2 & 3 but fits the EU’s interpretation of the films a lot more then the films themselves.
3.) George & Dave’s new continuity of The G-Canon
Episodes 1 - 6 plus The Clone Wars. (George considers the 2008 Tv show that he worked on with Dave as apart of his continuity since it was made, He felt the same way when the 2003 show was made until he made this one.) but despite George’s view this show while a masterpiece has glaring flaws in continuity errors and narrative errors to both his films, & The EU, it doesn’t even fit the continuity of (2003) two part tv show which I remember the media at the time believing this version to be a continuation of that very show when it started. Even though this was meant to be apart of George’s G-Canon and he had no intentions of fitting it into The EU which he saw as a parallel universe for fans, at the end of the day Filoni (genius Star Wars storyteller) created a lot ideas with his staff in the stories of the show that contradict the continuity & narrative of The Films lore, which is very evident. (As much as I love Dave Filoni for The Clone Wars & Rebels, despite their errors this is the same man that was behind disney Lucasfilm’s backwards direction of Their sequels including Jake Skywalker.)
4.) The New Disney Star Wars continuity at the beginning: Episodes 1 - 6, The Clone Wars, Star Wars Rebels, & Their films and books (With all my gripes behind The D-Canon I got Star Wars Rebels, rogue one , and solo a Star Wars story, despite the various flaws in all three they were the closest to feeling like genuine Star Wars projects.)
UPDATE:
Well it started off with The G-Canon then the multiverse formed as a result of George wanting to create a space for fans to tell their own Star Wars stories.
Star Wars & Indiana Jones work Off a Multiverse Canon systems for their IP’s.
For Star Wars, G-Canon was at the top, In the continuity of this main universe George’s versions of events which started off The Sith, The Jedi and The Republic happen.
"Everybody said, 'Oh, well, there was a war between the Jedi and the Sith.' Well, that never happened. That's just made up by fans or somebody. What really happened is, the Sith ruled the universe for a while, 2000 years ago. Each Sith has an apprentice, but the problem was, each Sith Lord got to be powerful. And the Sith Lords would try to kill each other because they all wanted to be the most powerful. So in the end they killed each other of, and there wasn't anything left. So the idea is that when you have a Sith Lord, and he has an apprentice, the apprentice is always trying to recruit somebody to join him, because he's not strong enough, usually, so that he can kill his master." So within The G-Canon The Sith ruled the universe two thousand years before The Phantom Menace but they killed each other out of their lust for power and then The Jedi & The Republic formed over the course of that time to build a better time of peace for The Galaxy and The Universe. The events of The Six films happen:
Star Wars: The Phantom Menace
Star Wars: Attack Of The Clones
Star Wars: Revenge Of The Sith
Star Wars: A New Hope
Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars: Return Of The Jedi
With The (2003) Clone Wars show that was made during the run of The Prequel Trilogy was originally taking place between Episode 2 Attack Of The Clones & Episode 3 Revenge Of The Sith before later being retconned by George Lucas & Dave Filoni with The 2008 TCW (The Clone Wars Show)
Also within The G-Canon is George Lucas’s plans for his sequel trilogy which my project is based on.
T-Canon below it as an Alternate Timeline where the early version of the 2008 TCW show took place before Star Wars was sold to Disney.
EU (Legends) as a whole Parallel/Alternate Universe where all The Old Books, Games , etc take place along with The (2003) Clone Wars Show that used to be apart of The G-Canon but was retconned for the creation of The 2008 (TCW) The Clone Wars Show, and now permanently placed within The EU afterwards.
This is The Pre-Disney Star Wars Hierarchy of Canon.
Aka The Star Wars Multiverse Canon System.
G-CANON:
The Six Star Wars Movies.
T-CANON:
Star Wars The Clone Wars.
C-CANON:
AlI Expanded Universe
Books, Comics, Video Games etc...
S-CANON:
Some Pre-Zahn works and
alternate choices in Video Games.
NON-CANON:
Star Wars Infinities and alternate
endings to Video Games
"Canon refers to an authoritative list of books that the Lucas Licensing
editors consider an authentic part of the official Star Wars history.”
“Our goal is to present a continuous and unifed history of the Star Wars galaxy, in so far as that history does not conflict with, or undermine the meaning of Mr. Lucas's saga of films and screenplays'. Things that Lucas Licensing does not consider official parts of the continuous Star Wars history show an Infinities logo or are contained in Star Wars tales. Everything else is considered canon." Sue Rostoni, Editor at Lucas Licensing
Star Wars Gamer Magazine, Issue #6, July 2001
There are two worlds here," explained Lucas.
"There's my world, which is the movies, and
there's this other world that has been created,
which I say is the parallel universe-
licensing world of the books, games and comic books."
-the
George Lucas, Cinescape, 2002
"I don't read that stuff.
I haven't read any of the novels. I don’t know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it Consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if l come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions. "n
- George Lucas, Starlog, August 2005
"But there's three worlds: There's my world that I made up, there's the licensing world that's the books, the comics, all that kind of stuff, the games, which is their world, and then there's the fans' world, which is also very rich in imagination, but they don't always mesh. All I'm in charge of is my world. I can't be in charge of those other people's world, because I can't keep up with it."- George Lucas, Flannelled One, Mar. 2008
The Disney Canon is an Alternate Timeline to the events of The G-Canon & The T-Canon when George Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney, it is where stuff like Star Wars Rebels, The Mandalorian, and those other shows or The Filoni-Verse as I like to call it 😂 😂 😂 & The Disney Star Wars Sequel Trilogy 🤢 🤮, & and all other Disney Star Wars Products take place. It isn’t just another simple alternate timeline though as Disney decanonized the Star Wars multiverse canon system as we knew it when they bought Star Wars from George Lucas. Disney Lucasfilm created a one timeline system for The Disney Canon where they now do what they do. So now Disney Star Wars is the new current Star Wars Universe that we continue to witness currently in Modern Star Wars products.
Many people don’t want to admit that the canon hierarchy is an extension of The Star Wars Multiverse with George Lucas’s G-Canon films 1-6 being our universe-1 so to speak. Stuff like The T Canon (TCW) being Filoni’s continuity or The Filoniverse , The S Canon or The C Canon (EU) is not just apart of a wider universe but wider multiverse as well.
"I don't read that stuff. I haven't
read any of the novels. I dont
know anything about that world.
That's a different world than my
world. But I do try to keep it
Consistent. The way I do it now is
they have a Star Wars
Encyclopedia. So if l come up with
a name or something else, I look
it up and see if it has already
been used. When I said [other
people] could make their own
Star Wars stories, we decided
that, like Star Trek, we would
have two universes: My universe
and then this other one. They try
to make their universe as
consistent with mine as possible,
but obviously they get
enthusiastic and want to go off in
other directions. "n
- George Lucas, Starlog, August
2005
“There are two worlds here; There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe-the licensing world of the books, games and comic books.”
- George Lucas, Cinescape, July 2001
“Howard tries to be consistent but sometimes he goes off on tangents and it’s hard to hold him back. He once said to me that there are two Star Trek universes: there’s the TV show and then there’s all the spin-offs. He said that these were completely different and didn’t have anything to do with each other. So I said, ‘OK, go ahead.’”
- George Lucas, Total Film, May 2007
When people don’t know this or don’t want to accepted a lot of confusion happens in the fandom over what matters and what doesn’t. This isn’t me saying George didn’t care about the EU or that it’s not important this is me filling in the facts, the concept of parallel universes or a multiverse for different specific continuities has been there since the start of the EU so fans can tell their own Star Wars stories while George can tell his own Star Wars stories since he is the head of Star Wars. Disney trying to make this all one timeline and just erasing other Star Wars continuities is contradictory to George’s approach with Star Wars. Fun fact The early Clone Wars that came out before Revenge Of The Sith, Star Wars Clone Wars (2003) by Genndy Tartakovsky was originally apart of The G-Canon because under George’s direction it was meant to explore The Clone Wars at the time, George & Filoni’s TCW was also meant to be an extension of that original show but it ended up just being added to The EU as a Secondary Canon or C Canon over time.
Now this is my more speculation approach To The Star Wars Multiverse with facts and opinions of what happened in it.
The G-Canon which is George’s personal canon is episodes 1-6, his ideas and plans for 7-9 and his ideas of what came before the events of episode 1. Sometimes he includes The TCW(2008) show but while mostly a great masterpiece that show still has its own inconsistencies. He also originally included the (2003) clone wars show back during the run of the prequels and they still match a lot with the continuity of the films so they’re technically still canon but toward the later half of them like TCW has inconsistencies that can’t be un noticed. The EU is Universe Two of The Star Wars Multiverse where all the old iconic Star Wars books, games, and such come from and the events of the 2003 show coexist in this universe as well but the first two universes have a few events that co exist. Star Wars TCW (2008) from the end of season 5 -7 kinda branches off into the Disney canon timeline, as in George’s original vision Ahsoka would’ve died in Order 66, furthering Anakin’s fall to the Darkside so that happened in The G-Canon but in Pre Disney Canon when George was about to sell Star Wars To Disney Filoni made Ahsoka a survival arc because he was in the Ahsoka lives camp. Their are a few other things which cause inconsistencies by the end of season 5 to season 7 but I won’t get into that. That alternate timeline which lead to The Disney Canon continued with Star Wars Rebels and later Star Wars Resistance leading to the infamous Disney trilogy (famous if you like it.) So yeah we have three main universes. G-Canon, EU , & Disney Canon and a multitude of minor alternate timelines inbetween all of them.
One of the bigger comparisons is that in The G-Canon The Sith came first when it came to impacting the Galaxy & universe creating Empires to rule everything but since each individual Sith were so greedy for power they killed each other that’s when The Jedi & The Republic came in to bring order and peace to The Galaxy, there is a chance The Jedi & Sith battled each other in this main universe a couple times but there were no full on wars, while in The EU, it started with The Je’daii an order of force users who used both the Lightside & the Darkside of The Force On a Planet where that created Balance due to the special moons on it made unique interestingly enough. Now in all Star Wars canons: G-Canon, T-Canon, (EU) which is all of S-Canon , C-Canon, N-Canon, & then we have Disney Canon it’s very much established that The Lightside Of The Force Is Balance and The Darkside is Imbalance. Meaning one establishes peace, while the other brings chaos & destruction but on this one planet in The EU where The Je’daii are happens to be one where it’s different in terms of balance is pretty interesting. Anyway The Je’daii couldn’t balance out using both The Lightside & The Darkside and with all the confusion both broke off into groups choosing one or the other. This would lead to many Jedi Sith Wars in The EU like The New Sith Wars which lead to The Jedi defeating The Sith eventually and The Jedi & The Sith establishing The Republic and this is after many years of war and death. So these are key differences between how things played out in the universes of The G-Canon & The EU.
3 hour video from Stupendous? 🥲
2:39:00 the MOTHER
Easy…Luca’s read Dune and thought to himself…I CAN FILM THAT!!!
Lucasfilm/Disney were so dumb to not use the Legends lore we all grew up with and(mostly)love. And that is one of the many reasons Kathleen Kennedy pisses me off is becuase when the last movie trilogy was going on and it wasn't doing close to as good as expected she quipped "well we didn't have anything after Jedi to work with and had to make it all up on our own"...WHAT? Lady there were a couple dozen books and prob about as many video games with TONS of awesome lore to take from and use. Getting to see full on badass Jedi Master Luke would have been priceless and it's what us decades long fans have been waiting to see on the screen...Then we get whiney bitchy Luke....
Sorry for the rant. I'm sure you feel me.
A lot of the comments I'm seeing are saying it's like JRR Tolkien and my answer is so what his stories are excellent
I am surprised how much lore in star wars
The great George has spoken
I will think Episodes 7-9 happened outside the Prime universe and hopefully we'll get the stories from the "sacred timeline" lol.
Okay, so the bedlam spirits were basically the chaos gods in the end?
Where?
Can I find the books of supernatural encounters
technically head cannon has all rights in my mind.
It would make sense for todays species to be the first since it seems like the firstborns had longer lives than most and yodas species can live to 900+
Did Tilotny thrkw that shape?
20:30 the Mow (idk how to spell it) sounds like it would be the name of species that Mngaal-Mmgaal would be.
need to ask, what was the dating system in star wars before BBY
Day 746 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon