This just felt like someone trying to sell me how to play singed the first 10-15 mins of a game and aatrox the rest of the time in the same game, and as someone who like yo play jg in top im all in.
it honestly depends, if you never had experience with kayn. its inevitable. but if you've played kayn alot or have alot experience playing kayn. you'd know when to back out of fights. but this is just my assumption. it also depends on the teamates if they're brainrotted children that tilt on quickplay Que.
That's just bronze lobby problems, been losing too many matches because "Rep Kayn inter" and then it goes downhill where they just give up while i carry the game
i know this is not the topic of the video but i remembered the ornn jg video ( i have not played him in months ) so i decided to try it out, it sparked the love for the character that made me main him the first time, so thank you man :)
ive been maining and playing specifically rhaast top for the better part of 2 and a half years!, glad to see people are getting to try this incredibly fun pick
im only 19mins into this video but I got to comment omfg i love this. first off, this whole idea is really hilarious and psychopathic and secondly, whatever has been in this video has been kept logically sound and extremely high quality and I really, really love your drawings and diagrams. Personally this is also how I explain a lot of sht irl cus its way easier to envision it but your drawings are cute so thats a huge plus lmao thanks for the content!
@@here1334 no drututt pretty much exclusively plays blue kayn, if you check out his most recent kayn vid (which is like a month ago the man doesn't play kayn anymore) he gets red kayn but waits the extra 4 minutes for blue
this was so so helpful i never even knew abt the other info on how to fill kayns bar i just thought u had to hit champs. thanks! i will defenitaly try it out
Ive been working on a similar guide recently so I appreciate this alot man. I do have a few things to add though, both input from myself (master) and from grandmaster kayn top player ollip; kayn top goes a lot deeper than discussed in this video. First, flash is very rarely necessary. Ghost + tp and ignite + tp are much more common. Ghost + ignite is also best in certain matchups (usually depending on enemy jg +top pairing) Second, you shouldnt always go rhaast. Blue can 1v9 certain teamcomps from the toplane much more easily. Third, first strike should be avoided in most cases. Its almost not a keystone at this point with how much its been nerfed. Taking resolve runes secondary is very troll. You should go conq primary, minion demat + cosmic insight secondary. There are alot of other rune choices that are necessary in certain matchups not listed in this video, such as phase rush, aery, and predator. Items as you listed are perfect though im so glad you caught on to how bad cleaver is on kayn Finally, the matchup sheet changes entirely in high elo. Aatrox and poppy are hard but nothing compared to masters+ quinns and kennens.
Hi, thanks for the add-ons! I don't fully agree with everything here though. I think Kennen and Quinn can be basically completely proxied out of, kennen especially since it's harder for him to follow you. I also really don't agree about talking conqueror, I feel like demolish is highly necessary since kayn doesn't have any built in turret taking skill, yet he wants to sidelane so badly. On a similar note, I always want demat and cosmic insight. As such, I hate going any page that doesn't have both inspiration and resolve. Conqueror kayn is more important for bruiser kayn builds which I just don't do. Assassin kayn oneshots pretty much everything before conqueror finishes stacking anyway, so it's useless outside of lane phase Also flash is definitely necessary, it's very easy to kite out a red Kayn with no flash. Gotta get onto backline lategame somehow
@@psychopathicporoconqueror is good in to tank team comps . Rhaast going full ad yo stack conqueror in one combo if you aa in between giving you extra %max damage on your ult for more damage as you aren't going to one shot every tank with 1 combo . Especially things like orn who will hit you just as hard as you hit them .and Demolish really isn't necessary if you going full ad with lethality your dealing damage to towers you don't need demolish. I only see demolish as a good rune ti go if no other rune give you anything in the match.
@@psychopathicporo With aery being removed i can see an argument for first strike. I still think conq is more useful even in matchups where you wont use it as much, because it allows you to 1v2 if you get ganked during proxy. Phase rush is still better over first strike if you cant 1v2 especially paired with ghost. I really urge you to reconsider the resolve tree I dont think it gives you anything compared to having ingenious hunter + sudden impact or minion demat + cosmic insight. Demolish is so bad since youre proxying all the time anyway.
I've been doing this. Took all kinds of notes, followed the steps, asserted my own judgment where necessary. I think it has potential, but it's very hard to pull off in lower elo, even in unranked, because the team mental is often so incredibly weak. Also, a huge problem with trying this in low elo is that your opponents are often not very good either, and they will swarm you without thinking - which would normally be good as you display in the guide, but it leaves very little room to farm, and your own team is often just as bad at capitalizing on enemy mistakes. Otherwise, I don't quite have the pacing down and I'm not very good at maximizing farm through proxy yet, but I can actually carry games once the items come through even if I go 0/10 early game. I rarely reach full build on any other champ, but I've been consistently reaching 5-6 items with this Kayn strat. And once you reach that point you just.... are no longer capable of dying. The strat is real, but so is the team tilt. I get at least one "report kayn" every game.
I think a big factor in pulling this off is having enough awareness of the enemy jungler pathing to not get killed in the first two resets (most games). This is where most of the team tilt comes from, and it's pretty avoidable with jungle awareness. Another option is to play more the way Karasmai does, where he lanes standard for the first 4 waves, and sets up proxy after level 3/4.
tried it and it works surprisingly well. the proxy part of the strategy, in my experience, were mostly optional after 2 to 3 waves. it does work very well into late game and you do become a lot stronger than average top laner, but not well enough to stop a 23/3 bot lane lol.
I have played this about 10 times now and had so much fun. Only had a positive kd once, BUT I always do by far the most damage in the game, end up with the most gold and take the most towers and farm. Bausens’ law folks
I didn't feel like playing Kayn top but q'd for a game of jungle, these items and (some) of the strats are applicable to jungle as well as long as you have enough awareness to make time for objectives, it's very strong if you have another strong sidelaning champ top like a Trundle, Fiora, Jax etc as teams can usually bring down 1 sidelaner with enough people but they can rarely deal with both on different sides of the map
Thank you. I went 0/8/0. But by the end of it... I was doing almost 30% of Kog'Maw's HP before he killed me. And nearly 20% of Voli's before he killed me. And I outfarmed him. Very nice.
5 months later update: this 300 IQ strategy still works, climbed from gold to P2 with this pick, play it! One small warning: it works best in duo, due to surrender vote requiring 4 "yes"
Good video, but I would say on the point of double proxying, it isn't always good for the mid laner since they might not want or need to reset, for example if they are crushing the enemy mid 1v1 and they don't have enough gold for a reset to be worth it. There are other cases one could easily imagine where double proxying is bad, you could easily end up just putting your mid behind for no reason if you decide to double proxy mindlessly.
Ok, just did a game with this build and while kayn is my main, I've never found success playing him top and holy this build and playstyle is fun I was 0/6 by the time I got form and even then I was not behind on items, I was actually ahead and I managed to kill a yasuo that was trading with mid, from that point onward it was just a massacre, reached full build super early, like 26 minutes or so, helped my team secure soul by split pushing, took every tower in the game, finnishing the game with 20k tower damage which is insane, even the kindred 17/6 couldn't stop me, enemy team 5 man collapsed and got a shut down from me, but my team was able to push mid and take drake with that play, it was amazing Of course, I don't expect all my games to be as smooth as this one, but damn if this was how it went with me still learning the strat I can't wait to see what I'm capable of when I'm familiar with this playstyle
I would like watching you talk about max W poking playstyle blue kayn Support, because kayn would benefit from the mana regeneration the support item provides + zak zak realmspike (the purple support item evolution) will provide extra damage with it's explosion. It's very easy to snowball with. If the adc is not that good you can roam around the map and putting vision deep into the enemy territory using kayn's E. to summarize the information 1-kayn support with max W to poke in lane 2-you can roam and put vision in places where others support can't 3-very easy to snow ball with. 4-very flexible pick with a lot of playstyles and itemization in 1 game .
@@Nat_-_ that’s what I was thinking like his q is longer than every adc reach insane damage counters have the roster with his E and his ult makes him a tank and then people will say he gets cc’ed but that’s everyone’s counter play
He relies alot in his q for engange and disingage, as he doesent have any other dash or move speed increase in his kit, he also lacks any projectile and his stun is close range, on top of not being instant. Altough he is not the easiest champ to kite its still possible to do it. He is also a auto attack based champ, meaning his damage is mostly sigle target and can be coutered by alot of stuff (such as spyked armour, teemo q, shen w and jax's own e). The most anoying part of his kit is his E, as its very hard to go against with adcs and other aa champs, but do keep in mind that jax has to choose either protection or offence with this ability, he cant stun you unless the ability ends, soo if you get your position right you can beat him with an adc or champs like trynda and master yi
Jax has 4 significant weaknesses. 1. He has zero in kit sustain/shielding because counterstrike takes his entire defensive budget 2. He builds like a hypercarry, leaving him vulnerable outside of counterstrike 3. Almost 100% of his damage is single target unless you go full AP (AP jax is basically a different champion). 4. (This is the biggest weakness by far) Jax cannot interact with enemies at ranged distances at all. Even somebody like Darius has a midranged Q and E, but jax actually has to go into point blank melee range to do anything at all. Having zero range, zero sustain and relying on high income ensures jax is virtually nonexistent when behind because he can’t safely farm against a stronger opponent and his waveclear isn’t fast enough to simply oneshot waves and walk away before someone can properly answer him (unless you build AP). Jax also has more specific weaknesses like being bad vs most mages and tanks because neither class tends to care much about counterstrike blocking auto attacks and both classes can deny him income from kills (mages by standing far away and tanks by being themselves). Jax tends to be more oppressive than most bruisers when ahead and he has several auto win matchups due to counterstrike denying many toplane champions, which can make jax feel absolutely unfair to play against. However, jax can similarly get annihilated in his bad matchups and he’s even more useless when behind than most bruisers, which more or less balances things out. Jax isn’t broken, he’s just poorly designed. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
As a Kayn OTP I would give those tips : - Yuumu doesn't really make sense in the build in my opinion, Hubris bonus synergy with Profane Hydra, Eclipse and Manamune is better in my opinion. - Red Kayn main weakness is getting kited, so I would rather go phase rush when I don't really need the 7% increased damage from first strike, the best Kayn Top Euw often used it against hard matchups since it also allows you escape early - Ghost is almost always better than flash on Red Kayn, the best Top Kayn used to play ignite ghost all the time - Spear of shojing is broken, literally 12% more damage and tons of ability haste, I think it needs to be built.
kayn in lane is so fun, i was doing kayn mid before the W nerfs, going 1/8 in lane and just scaling like a mf from the shutdown gold accumulated from the enemy laner. Tactical inting is crazy.
I just did this in quickplay, I was inspired by your video. Noob kayn only played him maybe 4 times over the years. I got matched into a poppy go figure, i swear its rigged. Anyways, i proxied got my items, died a lot but i ended up getting a penta and tp kill enemy jg instantly to steal baron with team and end game. Had 12 kills 18 deaths lol with 49k dmg done. I gotta say kayn top is strong and your basically always gonna carry late game.
First of all, great video, with a mix of fun stuff to try out and advanced strategy. Just a quick question though. As a Kayle main, I'm surprised Kayn wins lvl 1. Especially if she runs DBlade Lethal (standard). Maybe Q + Conq in enough idk. Ive played the matchup once and it seemed easy enough for Kayle, but you must have more exp on it so please enlighten me. Thanks a lot for the video, these take effort and you definitely delivered
Kayle level 1 is strong for sure, but kayn level 1 with conqueror is one of the strongest in the game. You'd be surprised at what kind of level 1s Kayn can actually win if you decide to play for it. For example, a friend of mine and I ran the Kayn vs Darius level 1 like 20 times and we found that it's kayn favored as long as kayn lands both parts of his Q
Good Games today, I watched alot of your videos and this video is the reason why we banned kayne all three games. i really couldn't find a answer to it when prepping all week other than picking trundle, but that wasn't even a sure thing so we played it safe. You are really really good and i hope to play against you again in the future. GG WP
Hi! just wanted to say i love how in-depth this guide is about every step you need to take to make it work. I was struggling to make Kayn work with the BC build, this one works perfectly with my playstyle (highly aggresive). Just a question tho', i don't know if it's because of buffs to Sion or just personal skill, but i can't seem to win against him, i mean, i can sorta 1v1 him lvl 1, but he comes out on top just because of how tanky he is. He also completely bodies me while trying to proxy. i went the conqueror runepage and everything but i don't see any 1v1 potential against him until i complete red. I can lane against him and survive, but he easily stops my proxy.
Are you landing both parts of Q when fighting him? Are you using Q to get behind him when he winds up his Q so that it misses? Are you making sure you break his W shield before it goes off?
@@psychopathicporo yes, yes and regarding his shield damage is not enough to break it before it goes off if i already used Q and W. Sion usually goes Grasp, so he outsustains the trades and outdamages me unless i use my abilities to win the trade (not mentioning that i have to use them if i want Conqueror to stack) in which case he saves his Shield for when i have no Q or W, and AA are not enough to break the shield, so overall he ends up winning the trade. If all goes well, and i break the shield and dodge his Q, he still kinda wins due to his ridiculous base armor and HP, and wins the trade with Grasp sustain. You win lvl 1, sure, but after that i feel like he's just way too tanky to win 1v1 in minion wave while proxying, even less if he gets help from the jgler. I still won the game of course, 'cause i kept the mental and completed the build (which btw is turbo OP), but i feel like Sion's just too tanky rn to confidently win 1v1 with base Kayn. A good Sion will will most trades after lvl 3 by stacking some armor and just being a tank, and will probably save his W. You win hard after red form tho', nothing he can do without jgler's help.
Mr Poro, I've tested this forbidden tech on wild rift and it works just as nice, but I had to adapt some things because of the differences of the games so I'd like to ask you two things: •If you could pick the Sorcerer Tree runes but with conqueror as your Keystone, would you always use conqueror or is First Strike so useful to speed the Last Whisper spike that you would pick it either way? •In wild rift we can't choose as Summon Spell neither TP or Cleanse, wich other Spell would you take, I've been running ghost so when I'm down on flash I use ghost to engage and then the other way around, I also like ghost because it helps me to stall the jungle/laner Thanks for reading and anyone who has something to share pls, feel free to tell me and all of the other degenerates here.
im having a good time but im having a hard time on knowing how to go about starting the proxy after the first one, could you please upload a full game of you playing this just to cover some blanks
Really great video, I only play casually, but it's almost always Kayn Top proxy stuffs, only reason I've stopped going Red Kayn is because its just too free and it's not really that interesting when you stomp every game tbh. I just go blue Kayn and split and then rotate faster than the speed of sound with movespeed items as an alternative to Teleport, or I try to split push on the "wrong side" of the map with the objective and then lead the enemies on a wild goose chase when they collapse on me, it's not really optimal but I have a lot more fun with it than just 1v9ing on Red tbh. I also just saw your smite top tomfoolery so Imma have to try that, sounds right up my ally, I can go even faster with the blue jg item :) Also, maybe I missed it but what about the pattern of proxying into a roam? I didn't see you mention it which surprised me, just curious what your thoughts are on when you should or shouldn't do it, but I'll probably get an idea when I watch some of your vods, but figured I'd ask anyway.
Since im an adc player searching for a new role because mine is dead for 5 seasons ill actually give this a try. Kayn was my jungle go to anyway but my stupid ass build him bruiser and since top is prob the most important role since the "durability patch" i may be actually capable to decide the outcome of a game for once, either trough feeding or snowballing top, at least ill have impact.
Cool vid. I will say the statement of “red kayn loses no 1v1s” in the game is false when fiora and nasus can shred you. A great Gwen and great Vayne maybe too.
quick question are you going to update the matchup spreadsheet? Now that kayn top is going to be more of a tank than before like Conqueror is going to be more interesting etc. .
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This just felt like someone trying to sell me how to play singed the first 10-15 mins of a game and aatrox the rest of the time in the same game, and as someone who like yo play jg in top im all in.
It's so rare to get content this high in quality and length on league RUclips. Thank you so much for making this and please keep going king
high in quality? my guy this fucking video is in 480p quality and 18 fps on average what the fuck does this have to do with quality
I just went through 38 minutes of verbal and mental abuse trying kayn top never again bro
/mute all
it honestly depends, if you never had experience with kayn. its inevitable. but if you've played kayn alot or have alot experience playing kayn. you'd know when to back out of fights. but this is just my assumption. it also depends on the teamates if they're brainrotted children that tilt on quickplay Que.
that’s the authentic kayn experience, homie. you gotta embrace the pain
That's just bronze lobby problems, been losing too many matches because "Rep Kayn inter" and then it goes downhill where they just give up while i carry the game
/deafen ......ggwp
Thank you for the great guide for a pick that I doubt I will ever play.
your camera controls are insane lmfao
THATS WHAT IM SAYING, HE SWEARS ITS ANCIENT EVIL TECH THAT CAME TO HIM IN A DIVINE REVELATION BUT I THINK ITS JUST SILLY
Bruh wtf😂😂❤
absolutely psychopathic wtffff
@@maarten_zappos9189Well it is in his name 🤷♂️
Ong just play locked cam at this point 😭
this guy just did a video on the thing ive been doing for 2 seasons and i love it
i know this is not the topic of the video but i remembered the ornn jg video ( i have not played him in months ) so i decided to try it out, it sparked the love for the character that made me main him the first time, so thank you man :)
LET'S GOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
I had the exact same experience. Thanks for the new guide!
ive been maining and playing specifically rhaast top for the better part of 2 and a half years!, glad to see people are getting to try this incredibly fun pick
People havent taken him top for 2 years of lord how the metas changed
The mini poro in the scythe of the kayn sketch is a nice touch
this is one of the best guide i've seen on a champion ever.
im only 19mins into this video but I got to comment omfg i love this.
first off, this whole idea is really hilarious and psychopathic
and secondly, whatever has been in this video has been kept logically sound and extremely high quality and I really, really love your drawings and diagrams. Personally this is also how I explain a lot of sht irl cus its way easier to envision it but your drawings are cute so thats a huge plus lmao
thanks for the content!
Really nice guide, would be useful to have full vod of a typical game to see it in practice
check out my stream! I have plenty of hours of kayn top games in my twitch vods that you could check out
every druttut game like early last season
@@here1334 drututt plays blue kayn 99% of the time, I only really do red Kayn
@@psychopathicporo p sure he takes whatever is the first form he gets. i just recced it cuz its games at chall level tho
@@here1334 no drututt pretty much exclusively plays blue kayn, if you check out his most recent kayn vid (which is like a month ago the man doesn't play kayn anymore) he gets red kayn but waits the extra 4 minutes for blue
This guide was so good I got compliments (death threats) from my friends (my team) about how well I was doing (I went 1/16 vs a mundo)
FORTY WHOLE MINUTES??? OOHHHH MY LORD PORO 😍😍😍
The diamond pearl cycling music at 24 min is perfect❤❤
ngl im 700 lp with kayn and I still learned a decent bit from this video. insanely great work
this was so so helpful i never even knew abt the other info on how to fill kayns bar i just thought u had to hit champs. thanks! i will defenitaly try it out
Im loving this variant of the bausen strat. Ill give it a try (and probably throw a bit for the first few games)
Ive been working on a similar guide recently so I appreciate this alot man.
I do have a few things to add though, both input from myself (master) and from grandmaster kayn top player ollip; kayn top goes a lot deeper than discussed in this video.
First, flash is very rarely necessary. Ghost + tp and ignite + tp are much more common. Ghost + ignite is also best in certain matchups (usually depending on enemy jg +top pairing)
Second, you shouldnt always go rhaast. Blue can 1v9 certain teamcomps from the toplane much more easily.
Third, first strike should be avoided in most cases. Its almost not a keystone at this point with how much its been nerfed. Taking resolve runes secondary is very troll. You should go conq primary, minion demat + cosmic insight secondary.
There are alot of other rune choices that are necessary in certain matchups not listed in this video, such as phase rush, aery, and predator.
Items as you listed are perfect though im so glad you caught on to how bad cleaver is on kayn
Finally, the matchup sheet changes entirely in high elo. Aatrox and poppy are hard but nothing compared to masters+ quinns and kennens.
Aery no longer effects his passive so there’s no reason to pick it anymore
Hi, thanks for the add-ons! I don't fully agree with everything here though. I think Kennen and Quinn can be basically completely proxied out of, kennen especially since it's harder for him to follow you.
I also really don't agree about talking conqueror, I feel like demolish is highly necessary since kayn doesn't have any built in turret taking skill, yet he wants to sidelane so badly. On a similar note, I always want demat and cosmic insight. As such, I hate going any page that doesn't have both inspiration and resolve. Conqueror kayn is more important for bruiser kayn builds which I just don't do. Assassin kayn oneshots pretty much everything before conqueror finishes stacking anyway, so it's useless outside of lane phase
Also flash is definitely necessary, it's very easy to kite out a red Kayn with no flash. Gotta get onto backline lategame somehow
@@psychopathicporoconqueror is good in to tank team comps . Rhaast going full ad yo stack conqueror in one combo if you aa in between giving you extra %max damage on your ult for more damage as you aren't going to one shot every tank with 1 combo . Especially things like orn who will hit you just as hard as you hit them .and Demolish really isn't necessary if you going full ad with lethality your dealing damage to towers you don't need demolish. I only see demolish as a good rune ti go if no other rune give you anything in the match.
@@psychopathicporo With aery being removed i can see an argument for first strike. I still think conq is more useful even in matchups where you wont use it as much, because it allows you to 1v2 if you get ganked during proxy. Phase rush is still better over first strike if you cant 1v2 especially paired with ghost.
I really urge you to reconsider the resolve tree I dont think it gives you anything compared to having ingenious hunter + sudden impact or minion demat + cosmic insight. Demolish is so bad since youre proxying all the time anyway.
Didn’t they remove first strike from proving his form faster ?
Would love a short refresh of this given 14.5 changes to red kayn
This makes me want to play kayn jungle again
Now this is how a guide video should look like. Great video
Insane video quality, so much valuable information. Thanks for making this. I don't even play Kayn but this makes me wanna try him lol
Been having a LOT of succes with this, thank you very much! (Mortal Reminder/Dominiks power spike is CRAZY)
yo thank you so much for this tutorial you got me from being in diamond the silver 3 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Eyy,if u deserve diamond you'll get back in it anyway so good luck with the grind!
I just did that and i must say, it's so fun! 0/14 against tryndamere.
can’t wait to try this immediately in ranked, i pray for my teammates 🤙
I used to use the directional key for camera as well when i first started lol. Funny to see another player doing that. Great guide and content
Really Really good video just the way it is presented is amazing while also being an informative guide.
I've been doing this. Took all kinds of notes, followed the steps, asserted my own judgment where necessary. I think it has potential, but it's very hard to pull off in lower elo, even in unranked, because the team mental is often so incredibly weak. Also, a huge problem with trying this in low elo is that your opponents are often not very good either, and they will swarm you without thinking - which would normally be good as you display in the guide, but it leaves very little room to farm, and your own team is often just as bad at capitalizing on enemy mistakes.
Otherwise, I don't quite have the pacing down and I'm not very good at maximizing farm through proxy yet, but I can actually carry games once the items come through even if I go 0/10 early game. I rarely reach full build on any other champ, but I've been consistently reaching 5-6 items with this Kayn strat. And once you reach that point you just.... are no longer capable of dying.
The strat is real, but so is the team tilt. I get at least one "report kayn" every game.
I think a big factor in pulling this off is having enough awareness of the enemy jungler pathing to not get killed in the first two resets (most games). This is where most of the team tilt comes from, and it's pretty avoidable with jungle awareness. Another option is to play more the way Karasmai does, where he lanes standard for the first 4 waves, and sets up proxy after level 3/4.
The 0/7 power spike is real
tried it and it works surprisingly well. the proxy part of the strategy, in my experience, were mostly optional after 2 to 3 waves. it does work very well into late game and you do become a lot stronger than average top laner, but not well enough to stop a 23/3 bot lane lol.
This is the first league video in my life that actually inspired me to play an off meta pick, thanks a lot for such a high quality video, earned a sub
I have played this about 10 times now and had so much fun. Only had a positive kd once, BUT I always do by far the most damage in the game, end up with the most gold and take the most towers and farm. Bausens’ law folks
I didn't feel like playing Kayn top but q'd for a game of jungle, these items and (some) of the strats are applicable to jungle as well as long as you have enough awareness to make time for objectives, it's very strong if you have another strong sidelaning champ top like a Trundle, Fiora, Jax etc as teams can usually bring down 1 sidelaner with enough people but they can rarely deal with both on different sides of the map
this video is such high quality omfg i love it
This guide is incredible! Super well done, really informative, great work, thank you!
as a Kayn main, I'm proud this video exists
Thank you. I went 0/8/0. But by the end of it... I was doing almost 30% of Kog'Maw's HP before he killed me. And nearly 20% of Voli's before he killed me. And I outfarmed him. Very nice.
I tried it right after this video(only normal games), 4 complete stomp games, most fun I’ve had in a while playing league
I've been trying this on and man holy shit its so much fun
5 months later update: this 300 IQ strategy still works, climbed from gold to P2 with this pick, play it!
One small warning: it works best in duo, due to surrender vote requiring 4 "yes"
moving the camera with arrow keys is the most chaotic neutral thing you can do
Good video, but I would say on the point of double proxying, it isn't always good for the mid laner since they might not want or need to reset, for example if they are crushing the enemy mid 1v1 and they don't have enough gold for a reset to be worth it. There are other cases one could easily imagine where double proxying is bad, you could easily end up just putting your mid behind for no reason if you decide to double proxy mindlessly.
I won't let that stop me because I can't read
Was expecting rumble to pop up as a joke at 3:30
nah rumble doesnt scale for shit on sidelane
I play jungle and have never played Kayn but this makes me want to play him top lol. Great guide!
ksante at his peak arguably fits your criteria
So this is basically baus's strategy except u found the best champion for it
Ok, just did a game with this build and while kayn is my main, I've never found success playing him top and holy this build and playstyle is fun
I was 0/6 by the time I got form and even then I was not behind on items, I was actually ahead and I managed to kill a yasuo that was trading with mid, from that point onward it was just a massacre, reached full build super early, like 26 minutes or so, helped my team secure soul by split pushing, took every tower in the game, finnishing the game with 20k tower damage which is insane, even the kindred 17/6 couldn't stop me, enemy team 5 man collapsed and got a shut down from me, but my team was able to push mid and take drake with that play, it was amazing
Of course, I don't expect all my games to be as smooth as this one, but damn if this was how it went with me still learning the strat I can't wait to see what I'm capable of when I'm familiar with this playstyle
the more I watch it just reeks of full int. I love it
the man uses arrow keys for camera control and still is shitting on these people, hes insane
I like trying tough stuff top , I was trying to make tank Akali top work and I might try Kayn top now
As a singed proxy one trick am interested hmmm
sent this one to my friend who has been trying rhaast toplane a lot lately, hes been struggling so this might help him
Or he'll start going 0/20 in all your games and say he's scaling
I would like watching you talk about max W poking playstyle blue kayn Support, because kayn would benefit from the mana regeneration the support item provides + zak zak realmspike (the purple support item evolution) will provide extra damage with it's explosion. It's very easy to snowball with. If the adc is not that good you can roam around the map and putting vision deep into the enemy territory using kayn's E. to summarize the information 1-kayn support with max W to poke in lane 2-you can roam and put vision in places where others support can't 3-very easy to snow ball with. 4-very flexible pick with a lot of playstyles and itemization in 1 game .
Your lane phase would be god awful and you'd lose out on prio in like every 2v2 with base kayn
Why not rhaast over Kayn sup, cause he got a lil cc and heals lmao
Now that your talking about power budget I am interested to hear about what makes jax balanced
there is nothing making him balanced lmao
@@Nat_-_ that’s what I was thinking like his q is longer than every adc reach insane damage counters have the roster with his E and his ult makes him a tank and then people will say he gets cc’ed but that’s everyone’s counter play
Magic casters... cant dodge an auto hitting spell 😅
He relies alot in his q for engange and disingage, as he doesent have any other dash or move speed increase in his kit, he also lacks any projectile and his stun is close range, on top of not being instant. Altough he is not the easiest champ to kite its still possible to do it.
He is also a auto attack based champ, meaning his damage is mostly sigle target and can be coutered by alot of stuff (such as spyked armour, teemo q, shen w and jax's own e).
The most anoying part of his kit is his E, as its very hard to go against with adcs and other aa champs, but do keep in mind that jax has to choose either protection or offence with this ability, he cant stun you unless the ability ends, soo if you get your position right you can beat him with an adc or champs like trynda and master yi
Jax has 4 significant weaknesses. 1. He has zero in kit sustain/shielding because counterstrike takes his entire defensive budget 2. He builds like a hypercarry, leaving him vulnerable outside of counterstrike 3. Almost 100% of his damage is single target unless you go full AP (AP jax is basically a different champion). 4. (This is the biggest weakness by far) Jax cannot interact with enemies at ranged distances at all. Even somebody like Darius has a midranged Q and E, but jax actually has to go into point blank melee range to do anything at all. Having zero range, zero sustain and relying on high income ensures jax is virtually nonexistent when behind because he can’t safely farm against a stronger opponent and his waveclear isn’t fast enough to simply oneshot waves and walk away before someone can properly answer him (unless you build AP). Jax also has more specific weaknesses like being bad vs most mages and tanks because neither class tends to care much about counterstrike blocking auto attacks and both classes can deny him income from kills (mages by standing far away and tanks by being themselves). Jax tends to be more oppressive than most bruisers when ahead and he has several auto win matchups due to counterstrike denying many toplane champions, which can make jax feel absolutely unfair to play against. However, jax can similarly get annihilated in his bad matchups and he’s even more useless when behind than most bruisers, which more or less balances things out. Jax isn’t broken, he’s just poorly designed. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
Dude this video is actually sick
u had me at inting.
Cosmo... Cosmo I need you in my stream...
@@psychopathicporo poro…soon…so soon
just did everything you said and they ff'd at 20 minutes whilst i had 3 items and a yi and smolder on my team cool :DDDDD
Played in normals first game, went 0/7 before 10 min ended winning with 20/20/6 with 66K dmg very nice
As a Kayn OTP I would give those tips :
- Yuumu doesn't really make sense in the build in my opinion, Hubris bonus synergy with Profane Hydra, Eclipse and Manamune is better in my opinion.
- Red Kayn main weakness is getting kited, so I would rather go phase rush when I don't really need the 7% increased damage from first strike, the best Kayn Top Euw often used it against hard matchups since it also allows you escape early
- Ghost is almost always better than flash on Red Kayn, the best Top Kayn used to play ignite ghost all the time
- Spear of shojing is broken, literally 12% more damage and tons of ability haste, I think it needs to be built.
Gj for the work, very informative
OKAY HOLY HELL i just tried it out, its absolutely disgusting how strong he is at 2.5 items
Oh so this is why I encountered an inting Kayn couple weeks ago, fed me too much and can’t turn around lol
Thanks for the guide!, tried it today and got a 2 week ban, deserved vacation :)
I'm getting Proxy singed flashbacks from this.
i have been playing this non stop the past 2 days holy shit this is so fun i love my 32% wr 💯
kayn in lane is so fun, i was doing kayn mid before the W nerfs, going 1/8 in lane and just scaling like a mf from the shutdown gold accumulated from the enemy laner. Tactical inting is crazy.
I just did this in quickplay, I was inspired by your video. Noob kayn only played him maybe 4 times over the years. I got matched into a poppy go figure, i swear its rigged. Anyways, i proxied got my items, died a lot but i ended up getting a penta and tp kill enemy jg instantly to steal baron with team and end game. Had 12 kills 18 deaths lol with 49k dmg done. I gotta say kayn top is strong and your basically always gonna carry late game.
Just wanted to let you know that ive been using your video. Got me to plat 2 so far
The mystery dungeon throws me back, might have to go find my old copy of Explorers of Sky-
I like how much i enjoyed the video even though i dont remember Anything and prob Will never try it
First of all, great video, with a mix of fun stuff to try out and advanced strategy.
Just a quick question though. As a Kayle main, I'm surprised Kayn wins lvl 1. Especially if she runs DBlade Lethal (standard).
Maybe Q + Conq in enough idk.
Ive played the matchup once and it seemed easy enough for Kayle, but you must have more exp on it so please enlighten me.
Thanks a lot for the video, these take effort and you definitely delivered
Kayle level 1 is strong for sure, but kayn level 1 with conqueror is one of the strongest in the game. You'd be surprised at what kind of level 1s Kayn can actually win if you decide to play for it. For example, a friend of mine and I ran the Kayn vs Darius level 1 like 20 times and we found that it's kayn favored as long as kayn lands both parts of his Q
Good Games today, I watched alot of your videos and this video is the reason why we banned kayne all three games. i really couldn't find a answer to it when prepping all week other than picking trundle, but that wasn't even a sure thing so we played it safe. You are really really good and i hope to play against you again in the future. GG WP
we making it outta bronze with this one fellas(dead ass I'm about to grind normals till i have the proxy system down, this looks fun af)
This channel is gold !
Hi! just wanted to say i love how in-depth this guide is about every step you need to take to make it work. I was struggling to make Kayn work with the BC build, this one works perfectly with my playstyle (highly aggresive).
Just a question tho', i don't know if it's because of buffs to Sion or just personal skill, but i can't seem to win against him, i mean, i can sorta 1v1 him lvl 1, but he comes out on top just because of how tanky he is. He also completely bodies me while trying to proxy. i went the conqueror runepage and everything but i don't see any 1v1 potential against him until i complete red. I can lane against him and survive, but he easily stops my proxy.
Are you landing both parts of Q when fighting him? Are you using Q to get behind him when he winds up his Q so that it misses? Are you making sure you break his W shield before it goes off?
@@psychopathicporo yes, yes and regarding his shield damage is not enough to break it before it goes off if i already used Q and W. Sion usually goes Grasp, so he outsustains the trades and outdamages me unless i use my abilities to win the trade (not mentioning that i have to use them if i want Conqueror to stack) in which case he saves his Shield for when i have no Q or W, and AA are not enough to break the shield, so overall he ends up winning the trade.
If all goes well, and i break the shield and dodge his Q, he still kinda wins due to his ridiculous base armor and HP, and wins the trade with Grasp sustain.
You win lvl 1, sure, but after that i feel like he's just way too tanky to win 1v1 in minion wave while proxying, even less if he gets help from the jgler. I still won the game of course, 'cause i kept the mental and completed the build (which btw is turbo OP), but i feel like Sion's just too tanky rn to confidently win 1v1 with base Kayn. A good Sion will will most trades after lvl 3 by stacking some armor and just being a tank, and will probably save his W.
You win hard after red form tho', nothing he can do without jgler's help.
For a second i thought this madman was playing Karyn too in season 14
Somehow I get the feeling that in case Kayn is banned, your backup option is Singed.
As a main singed, thank you and good job
Most excellent!
Mr Poro, I've tested this forbidden tech on wild rift and it works just as nice, but I had to adapt some things because of the differences of the games so I'd like to ask you two things:
•If you could pick the Sorcerer Tree runes but with conqueror as your Keystone, would you always use conqueror or is First Strike so useful to speed the Last Whisper spike that you would pick it either way?
•In wild rift we can't choose as Summon Spell neither TP or Cleanse, wich other Spell would you take, I've been running ghost so when I'm down on flash I use ghost to engage and then the other way around, I also like ghost because it helps me to stall the jungle/laner
Thanks for reading and anyone who has something to share pls, feel free to tell me and all of the other degenerates here.
Ghost or ignite
I mostly take first strike because I really like the other inspiration runes, conqueror is fine
im having a good time but im having a hard time on knowing how to go about starting the proxy after the first one, could you please upload a full game of you playing this just to cover some blanks
Check out my twitch stream, there's like 20 hours of kayn top footage in the vods
Kayn has got to be one of the most consistent and satisfying yasuo counters, BTW. Play that shit mid when you see him
Really great video, I only play casually, but it's almost always Kayn Top proxy stuffs, only reason I've stopped going Red Kayn is because its just too free and it's not really that interesting when you stomp every game tbh. I just go blue Kayn and split and then rotate faster than the speed of sound with movespeed items as an alternative to Teleport, or I try to split push on the "wrong side" of the map with the objective and then lead the enemies on a wild goose chase when they collapse on me, it's not really optimal but I have a lot more fun with it than just 1v9ing on Red tbh. I also just saw your smite top tomfoolery so Imma have to try that, sounds right up my ally, I can go even faster with the blue jg item :)
Also, maybe I missed it but what about the pattern of proxying into a roam? I didn't see you mention it which surprised me, just curious what your thoughts are on when you should or shouldn't do it, but I'll probably get an idea when I watch some of your vods, but figured I'd ask anyway.
educational and entertaining
Since im an adc player searching for a new role because mine is dead for 5 seasons ill actually give this a try. Kayn was my jungle go to anyway but my stupid ass build him bruiser and since top is prob the most important role since the "durability patch" i may be actually capable to decide the outcome of a game for once, either trough feeding or snowballing top, at least ill have impact.
Thank you so much for this. Do you have any of this gameplays uploaded anywhere? I really would love to watch them
Check out my twitch stream, got like 30 hours of kayn top vods on there
@@psychopathicporothank you so much
Cool vid. I will say the statement of “red kayn loses no 1v1s” in the game is false when fiora and nasus can shred you. A great Gwen and great Vayne maybe too.
Did you miss the two clips in the video where I oneshot a fed fiora on sidelane, or the like 6 different instances where I oneshot a gwen?
Yeah when they had 2 items I saw that. Still a cool pick. Im going to try it@@psychopathicporo
quick question are you going to update the matchup spreadsheet? Now that kayn top is going to be more of a tank than before like Conqueror is going to be more interesting etc. .
Bro is the next baus
Commenting for interaction, Good stuff my guy, just dumpstered a morde with this
It feels like first strike goes against the no combat bucket thing
really good stuff!
You can pres spqce bar to focus the camrra on you
Wait... Kayn can go 0-7 like a Yas main, touch enough balls to transform. And then shit on everybody?
I didn't finish the video, but ran the build. I went 12-4 with the highest dmg and won a 4v5
Really well done video
Holy shit insane video, commenting in hopes it pops of!
Man cooked. Will try