They're actually 10mm throw on the faders, super tiny indeed! But having played around with it for several hours it's totally usable, you just have to be very careful with certain settings, nothing you can't _actually_ use, especially in a studio environment where it doesn't matter if you take a second or two longer to nail a setting.
Sonic Lab is consistently a go to channel for new synths, hard to beat the knowledge this guy possesses. Thanks a lot! The JP-08 fares much better than I expected.
I use analog and digital synths in my studio, but man did I have fun with the JP-08 this eve after arriving today. Finally Roland is getting back on track, and believe me it doesn't matter this is a VA, I hear no stepping, it sounds great, even the tiny controls are not a real bummer. It certainly isn't a toy either. If there is a bummer, well, it's indeed only 4 voices..
Loving watching you mimic the sound the synth is making with your mouth...found myself doing the same thing@ 11:39...great review as always Nick thanks!
I had a play with the boutiques and found that at high resonance levels, the filter cutoff sounds steppy in the JP08 compared to the JU06 and JX03. Not as obvious when resonance is not set high.
Anybody tell you this week how much you rock for doing these year after year, new synth release after release? You are a fixture in my media consumption! :)
Wow those sliders are small. That Save A Prayer intro sound is actually from an SH-2 and CSQ-100 so don't expect the Jup 8 to nail it. Despite having less voices the unison mode was narrower due to not panning the voices at all.
Honestly, even though the Arturia's vst version sounds way worse, I'll stick to it. However, I'm seriously thinking about getting one of these "boutique" synths because it would look nice on my desk. I'm obsessed with hardware just because of its appearance. I know it sounds dumb but it is my money and I'm not hurting anyone.
Great Review! But I have one question: I checked the MIDI implementation chart on Roland's website and according to it SysEx messages are neither transmitted nor received... Am I still on time to ask for a screen capture of the midi signals transmitted from one of the boutiques ? As I see it, Roland is trading MIDI connectivity for a more precise digital control (linke in the Aria modules, which have 16 million steps), but if they accept SysEx, perhaps something clever could be done with a little bit of PureData or other programming languages.
+Philip+ Roland should just hire a programmer to work for 1 goddamn week on programming MIDI CC functionality into it. It should not be so hard in this day and age!
+inthefade Still wouldn't solve the problem of steeping.. still having that concern about the discrete nature of MIDI and putting faders that size looks a little bit ridiculous in my point of view. But well... at the very least they could release an editor...
Philip+ Stepping can be anti-aliased to great effect (just look up Dave Smith talking about this. Only bad programmers have stepping on their MIDI controls). And an editor is of little use to me; I primarily buy hardware for playing live, and I don't use laptops or tablets live.
I noticed we could see quite a bit of stair-stepping on the JP-08 waveforms, something I didn't expect to see. I look forward to Roland putting out an adult size version 2 of these instruments one day. Perhaps if that happens we'll see an improvement on the areas where these mini synths fall short.
Excellent review as usual. Thanks for this! Also appreciated you JU-06 demo. One comment I have - I think it's interesting that the JP-08 waveforms clearly show the digital quantization (on those green waveforms) - that stairstepping is very visible on the triangle and saw. Also, the top of the pulse and square are not at all flat and showing quantization, also overshoot, whereas the original Jupiter-8 isn't showing any of that...but is more noisy. This would account for some of the lack of "Thud" as you say - all that stairstepping is adding high frequency harmonics to any patch, and on your sound system in studio, you can probably hear it a lot more clearly than we can on RUclips, which is itself subject to quantization/compression. Cheers - Joe
Roland need a little box for these for about 1/3rd the price of an actual module.. it contains all the guts but no controls.. but it has expanded auto-switching firmware space. It can then act purely as a voice expander for any of the boutiques..
Nice review Nick.I got mine yesterday and I must say they are built well and quite heavy.The faders are not sloppy all be it quite small to the JU-06.The JX-03 is better to hit the sweet spot because of the rotary knobs and not fader's.I have got two JP-08's poly chained and the sound is thick enough to bring goose bump's up when you hit the sweet spot.I have old Jupiter's and when Nick talk's about the bottom end on the Jupiter 8,that is just it,they were never going to be like for like,but they are pretty dam good , I often put stuff through a Timeline and BigSky which gives it that wow factor,anyway.For under £300 it's like a couple of good night's out.Nice one
That sine looked kinda jagged. Is that part of the emulation? The pulse waves looked wonky in the Behringer DeepMind (a Juno emulation right?) review and they looked wonky here, too.
Nick, any chance you could duck or mute the vocal mic while playing the CME 37 controller keyboard in future vids? The CLACK CLACK CLACK from the CME keys is pretty distracting right at the moment of critical listening. Just a thought.
Lol... right at the beginning... he starts with the arpeggio from the JP-08, then he play the Jupiter-8 and that synth (not JP-08, but the Jupiter) just rocks everything.
I've got my JP-08 and I'm kinda diggin it. But could someone please explain the "upper/lower" thing. I don't understand. Is it kinda like a keyboard split? Two voices on each? Two different patches at once?
I’m I crazy? The oscilloscope that was used when previewing the waveforms has 24 vertical steps, this would indicate a 5 bit defined digital waveform. Is the Oscilloscope low resolution or is it Roland’s waveforms that are that low. If it’s the JP-08, did the original have digital looking waveforms? Is “Analog Circuit Behavior” just advertising consumer bull?
The one and only thing I dont like about the JP-08 compared to the actual Jupiter 8 was the sequencer keys should've had multi-colored LED'S to replace the "rainbow buttons" on the Jupiter.
BTW these are based around FPGA so they are not the same as DSP based Virtual Analog, for me the small size is a bonus, plus I don't have 10 grand in my back pocket, so this will do nicely.
+darenager FPGA or DSP doesn't matter. What matters is how the FPGA/DSP is programmed, how is written the code, the choices made when laying down the synthesis algorithms, etc... If an FPGA is programmed to do the sound synthesis in a certain way, and in the same way (in a different language but maintaining the same synthesis algorithms architecture and structure) you program a DSP, the end result, i.e. the flow of numbers (samples) describing the waveform, would be the same. After all we are always working in the digital domain both with an FPGA or a DSP, the type of processor doing the synthesis doesn't affect the sound quality and the overall end result. What affects the sound quality is the above mentioned algorithm structure, the DAC's characteristics (frequency and dynamic response, total harmonic distortion, resolution, etc...) and the output stages. The main difference is in the cost, where an FPGA hardwired to do a certain thing could cost less than a general purpose DSP powerful enough to handle the same thing written in DSP code.
Thanks Nick, can't wait for my JP-08 to arrive. I'll never be able to get my hands on an original anymore, since the prices have gone up to silly-land so this will be my closest approximation of the real thing. It's nice to know that it will actually sound like the real thing, for the most part
The stepping on the JP-08 sawtooth is insane. Like the bit resolution each of the waveforms is quite low. I wonder why that is. Maybe the micro they are using?
The small sliders are ok for me and I'm happy with the sound but I'm struggling with the delay section,it just doesn't seem to respond very well to the way the buttons function and the manual is very vague.anyone else had this problem?
The JP-08 puts these Boutique synths properly in perspective: they are a good idea messed up. How can any serious synth manufacturer expect people to accept a 20mm fader? How can they expect people to accept no external midi control? Roland drop the ball again. Its even more of a shame when they don't actually sound that bad. Pity they are hampered by lack of proper functionality.
All you're saying is that Roland care about the bank and not about making a decent instrument. If you're happy with that then so be it. I'm not. They could have made this better with a little more effort.
***** Maybe you're right, but predictive statistics aren't always correct. I know I'd think about buying one of these if it had a clock in/out, which doesn't seem like that complex of a feature. I'm sure you're at least correct when it comes to those awful tiny faders.
+Carlosonebillion the bigger the unit, the bigger the box, the more they have to pay in taxes per unit, which increases costs dramatically, which means they need to charge more $$$ and people aren't happy about spending $500 on a mini instrument. just look at the reaction to the yamaha reface series. i do think the lack of midi is nuts. my guess is midi in will be added in some kind of update down the line and it just wasn't fully developed when they had to ship it.
I just sold a mint JP8 for 9500.00, and I have to say that after comparing it closely to my Nord 2 rack, I have no regrets and aside from it being very heavy, any old JP8 is only one faulty component away from being sold for parts. These new units look kind of cool.
Glad to watch this again, I find these reviews bring my gear back alive. For the depth and weight, perhaps a bit of fiddling with the detune and filter would help. Digital oscillators always are too well behaved, I don't care what ACB technology tried together around that.
Though I slightly prefer real analog, I have and enjoy plenty of VA hardware and software. Still not sure what the point of the whole Roland boutique line is though, with the 4 voice limitations and VA implementation. For the same price you can get a 18-voice Novation Mininova. For $100 more you can get Roland's own Roland JD-Xi, and for $300 more you can get 4 real analog voices in a Dave Smith Tetra (with the recent price drop). I'm just curious who the target market was supposed to be...
+ProckGnosis I understand your point, but compare real analog Tetra to these Boutique modules in sound. Tetra, although analog doesn't sound as warm and soft as these. SCI / DSI synths are all sharp and brassy and the filter has a bite while Rolands were always soft and darker. Nowadays it's more about how a certain analog or digital synth engine is done.
+Rok Koritnik That actually is my point kind of, at least with the Mininova and JD-Xi comparisons. If the JP-08 really is modeled well-enough to attract a picky synth geek like me, I'm likely not going to buy it because of the 4 voice limitation. And the folks who aren't that picky about the quality, who just like the price, they'll see they can get what looks like more capability/quantity (regardless of sound quality) in comparably priced products. So I would think the serious synth enthusiast will likely be turned off by the limitations and the tight-budget newb would likely consider something with more bang for the buck. But maybe I've just answered my own question. Maybe the target audience is somewhere between serious synth enthusiast and newb. : )
4 voice limitation does suck. To me even 6 voices on a Juno can be troublesome, because I like pads with long release time. I would have to buy two JU-6 or two JP-8 in order to get enough polyphony, but then the price rises and if I add a bit more I could get the new Futuresonus Parva which is 8 voice and seems incredible.
You should have put the Jupiter on one end of a see saw and see how many JPo8's it takes to balance . As useful a suggestion to anyone saying "but it's not analogue". Good work Nick
Could somebody PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY if using a DAW and recording parts to bmp how these are not everything we want as far as loops sequencing and SOUND? PLEASE
A piece of advice from someone whose owns actual 80's hardware, don't go wasting money on overpriced antiques. Modern synths from Roland and Behringer are more then up to the task.
People usually say that nuances can't really be heard in a full mix between analogue and digital (modelled). I can understand this, this works if you are having one or two of these instruments in a track. But what if you are making a track using purely 80s analogue synth sounds (E.g.. Synthwave) - does all these nuances then add up to a really digital sounding mix, compared to analogue counterparts? I have been listening to a lot of Synthwave lately, and on a moments I thought that it sounds really dull, precise or simply said - digital. I would really like to hear some opinion on this.
I think Roland decided if they were going to make a Jp 8 reissue it didn't have to be their new flagship, so they went for this instead.. Overall, soundwise it's pretty decent, much closer than some VST emulations I tried, I wonder if they are going to make Plugout versions of these synths, they are apparently the same technology as the aira range, so I suppose they could.. if they did, it would solve the whole small faders issue and voices issue as well, really bringing the product up a notch. Probably they are hoping to sell these like Volcas and then possibly bring out the plugout version?
You say "it had to be done" but the sequenced part of Save a Prayer was actually a Roland SH-2 (through Space echo) not Jupiter 8 ;). JP-8 was used for the pitch bendy lead as in the video of course though.
I’ve been considering one of these. It’s impossible to purchase a real Jupiter. One went up for sale around me restored for 20k. But I can control this boutique with my jp8000 and I have arpeggiator on it so I can emulate some of the classic trance sounds.
+KILLAGORILLA7000 I've yet to see a comparison between the two though. That notwithstanding perhaps try switching off Diva's onboard effects. I don't think the original had onboard effects. Instead put effects on an AUX track and use a send.
+Stephen Mandelbaum Diva emulates a number of classic synths, with interchangeable sections. Meaning that beyond the straight up emulations, you can mix "modules" in hybrid designs, like the oscillators from a Minimoog with the filter of a Jupiter-8, or vice versa, just as 2 examples. It's often praised for sounding very analogue, and was especially at the time of its release a quantum leap for software in terms of sounding analogue. Which has since become more common. Despite it emulating several classic synths, as well as the potential for crazy hybrids, actual useful and well done comparisons between it and the real synths it emulates are pretty scarce. If i remember correctly the modelled synths are Minimoog, Jupiter-8, Alpha Juno, MS-20 and something else...
+Stephen Mandelbaum I'd just like to see the compared that's all. I've not seen a useful comparison between Diva and a synth like the Jupiter 8, which by the way it does emulate in it's entirety. This Roland Boutique thing is a little on the ridiculous side.
I have the JU-06 and between the 3 the JU-06 and more real to me...it has a Deep Lush Thick sound and the quality of the Envelopes and Filters sound awesome....i tried the other 2 and altho they were great, the JU-06 just convinced me immediately....didn't have to Fiddle around too much to be convinced...i wouldn't mind having both tho...the JU-06 & the JP-08..That would be cool
+Lawrence Vaughan As with any DAW, you would need to record the audio output into an audio track in Logic. Set up a midi track out to the JP-08 and an audio track with the audio input of your audio interface. Hope this helps!
Juan A. Matos I think so. So plug it in via USB for midi data and also output to my audio interface. I was under the impression it had its own interface built in.
The missing "weight" - isn't that the Noise? Similar to the debate with vinyl versus cds? A study showed that listeners preferred the music with noise, even when noise was added as a foundation to the digital playback. Noise makes it a more complex listening experience, even when we don't know why. My guess, anyway. Has anyone tried running these 'virtual analog' things through a real tube preamp?
Same. My solution to the Boutiques is use 2 Rupert Never RND-I 1/4" TS Male into the Neve 1/8 t r s male boutique out to 1/4" TS Male into the Neve. Now here is the kicker. Use A StereoPing Polychainer and you have 8 voice round robin. Ka Ching! If you wanna get crazier run all 4 TS into an SSL12 has 32 bit float. Whale away wheeeeeeeeeeew.
99% of the folks making music wouldn't even know how to consistently pull that last bit of mustard out of an original 8. And if they did, they almost certainly have moved on to much more advanced and expensive forms of production.
I agree, I own a Jupiter 6 and haven't switched it on in years, I originally paid about £500 for it, it's now worth about two grand, f***ing mental. Not worth it with todays technology. Honestly hat sync sound, I can't tell them apart.
Thanks for the review - nice to hear that the filter and waves sound similar. Would've liked to hear more of the pulse/square/PWM sounds which seem harder in character than the original. I'd love Roland to make a full-size version of this with 8 voices, higher quality controls, *and* Juno Chorus I+II included to fatten-up the sound nicely :)
Emulation sounds good however agree Nick that the Jupiter has a fraction more low end weight. Also when you open the filter on the JP08 sounds slightly sharp. Analogue sounds sweeter when you do this. It is something I noticed a lot in comparisons, that an analogue synth has more of the energy focussed on the lower mids..I would be interested how well it compares to Diva...however - overall pretty good for the money. Thanks for the review!
Indeed... The 4 voices seems such a bizarre limitation when most VAs are almost limitless polyphony. Perhaps, cynically, it's to leave you needing to buy more.
I can't see how it would have added much to the cost to make these modules a little larger. They would have been much easier to use. However, being able to control them from an external unit would be a good compromise. Anyone remember the Creamware ASB Pro 12, Minimax and Prodyssey? Similar kind of thing.
Same about polyphony, now it's digital, how it would have added to make it 8 voice AS ITS NAME ITSELF SAY!!! The honest name of this toy should be JP-04, not 08!!!
Jupiter 8s sell for around 10G right now, and it's been that way for years. The demand has always been there. What more motivation does Roland need to do a legit version of this classic synth, Korg and Dave Smith are actually listening to what people want and delivering. As somebody that has played the real thing I can tell you it's a legit beast and the hype is real. We don't want this 4-voice toy Roland, please listen to your customers.
I used a Juno 60, SH-101 and D10 back in the day, selling each as new kit became a necessity. But I never owned a Jupiter 8 (or an OB-X/a, OSCar, Emulator II or Prophet 5 for that matter), something I've regretted over the years. So this would at least help me get over that.
+OrangeJackson Not 100% sure mate.I will quote from the crap peace of paper manual"Although the jp-08 is four note polyphonic,you can increase the polyphony by using a midi cable to connect two or more jp-08 units and turniug chain mode on."then it goes on to say"If your using two jp-08 units,it's a good idea to match their patch settings by using the"data backup/restore"procedure.So if you need to match their settings you might need two the same to get that jupiter 8 thing.Nice synth jupiter 8 but overated,i like the jupiter 6 better and they are a lot cheaper.
Your scope seems to be showing very visible sample blocks on the waveforms for the JP-08. Do they actually look that bad or is that just the scope you were using?
+Ian Hoffman We were using the Bitscope Micro USB scope, direct connection, yes I wonder about the stepping, I think it may be a limitation of the scope, will look into getting a higher specified one. Thanks
The idea of showing the waveform is nice, but you should really be using a real digital scope, it's performing a million times better and much easier to use than these little gimmicks. Now you can get excellent chinese brand scopes for less than the price of a Roland Boutique. Check out the Hantek DSO 5072P or RIGOL scopes on Amazon for instance.
If a JP-08 has the same wave shape and oscilloscope wave height as a Jupiter 8, then I cannot see how the original can have more "weight/thud" to it. The oscilloscope doesn't lie. As mentioned, the original has some introduced noise in the signal path, and maybe that adds a hint of tonal colour, but unless the Jupiter is higher in the mix, then oscilloscope hight wise, their output will be exactly the same. Those wave comparisons are so nigh on exact, any difference in dry oscillator, will be near as makes no difference. It is clear to see on the comparison, that the 08 is pure, and the Jupiter is noisy, but if you want that noise, shove it through something analogue, or tweak some VST effects to 'dirty' it up. Virtually none of us have never heard a Jupiter in the raw, least of all to compare it to a DVCO, so in truth, once it's had effects added, nobody could tell. We'd all love to have a real Jupiter, just to say we have, but in truth, they are massive, and as lovely as they sound, and delightful to noodle, almost anything can do 'Jupiter' sound now, including the JP-08, or VST versions, sorry, but that's the truth.
I think you are actually wrong... look at the differecies between the JP-8 square wave and the jupiter's wave on the oscilloscope, all the steps that you see in the JP-8's wave are due to the digital oscillator that it has, those are infuencing the harmonic spectrum. resulting in a "flatter" sound. This happens in nearly all systems that have a DSP (digital signal processor) as signal generator, or that have a DAC (digital2analog converter) that converts the digital signal (numbers) into an analog signal(waves). That's also why a compressed sound file (digital) does not sound as a vinyl.
When everything produced now goes through D2A conversion, eg MP3 CD (wav) etc, it's then digital. and unless every time we go to listen to music, we go to the artists studio for that 'in person' sound, it's always going to be digitally reproduced sound. As James Reeno says, in the final mix, to our ears, it's the same, and considering every track is processed over and over and effects and eq applied, it's NOTHING like the original raw wave. Besides, nobody listening would neither know nor care how 'original'/accurate it is to the original. That's like worrying that the raw guitar sound is not the same, as it's gone through a distortion pedal, nobody ever moans about the raw sound then.
I'm just about to enter round two now as I just recieved one in the mail after a year or two of not having one. It truly is quite amazing. However Roland would be the coolest company ever if they released a software update with 8 or more voices as well as CC compability. And don't touch that chorus easter egg. In fact I never tried that on the first one I had.
They can't increase the voice count with a software update; it only has enough DSP power for 4 voices. Check out the System-8. It runs the same emulation with 8 voices, and has a four octave keyboard and full size controls for every parameter.
Great review! I bought the JP-08 and just love it, but I wonder how I can get the audio stream through USB into my DAW (Cubase 8). I can select it in the audiodriver panel but than I disable my main audio interface, it's one or the other. The Elektron A4 f.e. has a VST which handles the USB audio stream so your main Asio interface can stay selected, or maybe I'm missing something? Always handy if I can save an extra pair of analog inputs to my soundcard which is already full..
+sonicstate Thx Nick, but I'm indeed on windows 7. Asio4all could be a way I gues, but I read it's not that stable and other issues.. But ok, I will hook it up the old fashioned way, maybe Roland will do some updates, who knows? Don't really see the point of an audio interface if you can't use it in combination with your multiple input main soundcard, but than again maybe some users are more successfull in this. Your JU-06 review now makes me want to buy that one as well, waiting for the JX-03 one ;-)
Pity Roland didn't make it 8 voice isn't it? Of course 4 voice helped keep price down. Is it possible to buy a 2nd one and place it out of sight if you're really short of space, then control both from 1 unit (sysex) ?
Yes.. there is a polychain feature. But for some reason Roland has left it as a broken implementation. In polychain mode the second synth only gets activated when you press between 5-8 keys at once.. rather than doing a round robin on each key pressed etc. Which means notes get cut off weirdly as voices from the first synth are always being stolen, despite the second synth having unused voices. Jolly silly. You could get around it maybe by using a MIDI distribution box/router.. but getting a System-8 instead might make more sense
I hate to say it, but Roland here proved that it can be done with digital technology. These sound closer to the originals they emulate than say the new Korg Odyssey is faithful to the sound of the original Odysseys, and it's done in analog.
+Rok Koritnik Really? You believe that? Did you not see the video Dave Spiers did on the new Korg Odyssey comparing it to the original on the Sonicstate channel? Even Dave, an Odyssey fan boy if ever there was one, conceded the sound was pretty much the same. Also, the point of analog is that they won't sound exactly the same anyway. Thats the point of analog. Different components mean that each synth will have variation even on models of the same thing. No two sound the same anyway. For my money this was as similar to a Jupiter 8 as the Korg is to the Arp.
I watched Dave's comparison, yes. And from that I concluded that it wasn't that close. Sure, it has the character, but on many points behaves quite differently. I like the Korg Odyssey nevertheless. It's great, but faithfull to the original it is not.
+sonicstate I hope you get another in the near future. Really, no one is even trying to review these units close to the level of detail that Sonicstate does.
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They're actually 10mm throw on the faders, super tiny indeed! But having played around with it for several hours it's totally usable, you just have to be very careful with certain settings, nothing you can't _actually_ use, especially in a studio environment where it doesn't matter if you take a second or two longer to nail a setting.
Sonic Lab is consistently a go to channel for new synths, hard to beat the knowledge this guy possesses. Thanks a lot! The JP-08 fares much better than I expected.
Not too shabby!!
But you can't control the tiny sliders with your standard midi controller using midi-cc :(
Apparently you can since last august.
InXLsisDeo And like that, I was $400 poorer
Just not too shabby? No any good?
I use analog and digital synths in my studio, but man did I have fun with the JP-08 this eve after arriving today. Finally Roland is getting back on track, and believe me it doesn't matter this is a VA, I hear no stepping, it sounds great, even the tiny controls are not a real bummer. It certainly isn't a toy either. If there is a bummer, well, it's indeed only 4 voices..
Best review of the JP-08 that I have seen yet. Thank You!
I could watch your review videos the whole day, even for devices I'm not interested that much. Thanks :-)
Loving watching you mimic the sound the synth is making with your mouth...found myself doing the same thing@ 11:39...great review as always Nick thanks!
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You don't mess about and are very blunt in your reviews. Thanks for your work
I had a play with the boutiques and found that at high resonance levels, the filter cutoff sounds steppy in the JP08 compared to the JU06 and JX03. Not as obvious when resonance is not set high.
Anybody tell you this week how much you rock for doing these year after year, new synth release after release? You are a fixture in my media consumption! :)
The JP08 does have a chorus setting. You just send Midi CC data to it.
There's a hidden setting for it, actually. CC isn't the only way to trigger, or so I read
Wow those sliders are small. That Save A Prayer intro sound is actually from an SH-2 and CSQ-100 so don't expect the Jup 8 to nail it. Despite having less voices the unison mode was narrower due to not panning the voices at all.
Honestly, even though the Arturia's vst version sounds way worse, I'll stick to it. However, I'm seriously thinking about getting one of these "boutique" synths because it would look nice on my desk. I'm obsessed with hardware just because of its appearance. I know it sounds dumb but it is my money and I'm not hurting anyone.
calm down
Great Review! But I have one question: I checked the MIDI implementation chart on Roland's website and according to it SysEx messages are neither transmitted nor received... Am I still on time to ask for a screen capture of the midi signals transmitted from one of the boutiques ?
As I see it, Roland is trading MIDI connectivity for a more precise digital control (linke in the Aria modules, which have 16 million steps), but if they accept SysEx, perhaps something clever could be done with a little bit of PureData or other programming languages.
+Philip+ Roland should just hire a programmer to work for 1 goddamn week on programming MIDI CC functionality into it. It should not be so hard in this day and age!
+inthefade Still wouldn't solve the problem of steeping.. still having that concern about the discrete nature of MIDI and putting faders that size looks a little bit ridiculous in my point of view. But well... at the very least they could release an editor...
Philip+
Stepping can be anti-aliased to great effect (just look up Dave Smith talking about this. Only bad programmers have stepping on their MIDI controls).
And an editor is of little use to me; I primarily buy hardware for playing live, and I don't use laptops or tablets live.
I understand that and agree with you, inthefade. I am just rambling while trying to understand Roland's lack of care towards live performance. :)
Philip+
Yeah... You get the feeling that they don't have any actual synth players working for them :/
A lot of people are complaining about the faders but in use, I have found them to be excellent.
thank you for your detailed reviews of this series....
I noticed we could see quite a bit of stair-stepping on the JP-08 waveforms, something I didn't expect to see. I look forward to Roland putting out an adult size version 2 of these instruments one day. Perhaps if that happens we'll see an improvement on the areas where these mini synths fall short.
+angstrom I think it is from the oscilloscope he is using, probably low bitdepth. A normal audio DAC doesn't output stepping waveforms.
Excellent review as usual. Thanks for this! Also appreciated you JU-06 demo. One comment I have - I think it's interesting that the JP-08 waveforms clearly show the digital quantization (on those green waveforms) - that stairstepping is very visible on the triangle and saw. Also, the top of the pulse and square are not at all flat and showing quantization, also overshoot, whereas the original Jupiter-8 isn't showing any of that...but is more noisy. This would account for some of the lack of "Thud" as you say - all that stairstepping is adding high frequency harmonics to any patch, and on your sound system in studio, you can probably hear it a lot more clearly than we can on RUclips, which is itself subject to quantization/compression. Cheers - Joe
I did not see/hear any stepping.
Roland need a little box for these for about 1/3rd the price of an actual module.. it contains all the guts but no controls.. but it has expanded auto-switching firmware space. It can then act purely as a voice expander for any of the boutiques..
ive 3 jp-08s and am absolutely happy with the results. nice work sir Nick...
Does that mean you can stack the oscillator so you get 12 voices essentially?
Nice review Nick.I got mine yesterday and I must say they are built well and quite heavy.The faders are not sloppy all be it quite small to the JU-06.The JX-03 is better to hit the sweet spot because of the rotary knobs and not fader's.I have got two JP-08's poly chained and the sound is thick enough to bring goose bump's up when you hit the sweet spot.I have old Jupiter's and when Nick talk's about the bottom end on the Jupiter 8,that is just it,they were never going to be like for like,but they are pretty dam good , I often put stuff through a Timeline and BigSky which gives it that wow factor,anyway.For under £300 it's like a couple of good night's out.Nice one
+Jim Robinson Will you do some comparissons?
+Man On The Living Road yes m8
awesome
That sine looked kinda jagged. Is that part of the emulation? The pulse waves looked wonky in the Behringer DeepMind (a Juno emulation right?) review and they looked wonky here, too.
I can't believe how close they sound. Great review! I prefer the JU-06 though.
Why do synth people always insult each other?
+unikraze it's just about as bad as the gaming community... unfortunately these two things are my favorite things...
+birds eye Because Internet.
It's not just here. You get it with photographers too! It spoils all the fun.
Guitar community is just as snobby
Because they’re people lol
Roland also has a keyboard doc these devices can fit into. Not sure if they can split the keyboard though.
Nick, any chance you could duck or mute the vocal mic while playing the CME 37 controller keyboard in future vids? The CLACK CLACK CLACK from the CME keys is pretty distracting right at the moment of critical listening. Just a thought.
It's so scary how close they sound. Probably the closest sounding boutique in the entire line.
Lol... right at the beginning... he starts with the arpeggio from the JP-08, then he play the Jupiter-8 and that synth (not JP-08, but the Jupiter) just rocks everything.
Was this video from prior to the System-8 being released … ?!
Must have been …
Yeah it was since the Boutiques came out before the System-8 came out.
I've got my JP-08 and I'm kinda diggin it. But could someone please explain the "upper/lower" thing. I don't understand. Is it kinda like a keyboard split? Two voices on each? Two different patches at once?
+Theo Void can you help me? my module only makes sound in dual mode. i can even change the wave forms to create my own sounds. very frustrated
I’m I crazy? The oscilloscope that was used when previewing the waveforms has 24 vertical steps, this would indicate a 5 bit defined digital waveform. Is the Oscilloscope low resolution or is it Roland’s waveforms that are that low. If it’s the JP-08, did the original have digital looking waveforms? Is “Analog Circuit Behavior” just advertising consumer bull?
The one and only thing I dont like about the JP-08 compared to the actual Jupiter 8 was the sequencer keys should've had multi-colored LED'S to replace the "rainbow buttons" on the Jupiter.
BTW these are based around FPGA so they are not the same as DSP based Virtual Analog, for me the small size is a bonus, plus I don't have 10 grand in my back pocket, so this will do nicely.
+darenager FPGA or DSP doesn't matter. What matters is how the FPGA/DSP is programmed, how is written the code, the choices made when laying down the synthesis algorithms, etc...
If an FPGA is programmed to do the sound synthesis in a certain way, and in the same way (in a different language but maintaining the same synthesis algorithms architecture and structure) you program a DSP, the end result, i.e. the flow of numbers (samples) describing the waveform, would be the same.
After all we are always working in the digital domain both with an FPGA or a DSP, the type of processor doing the synthesis doesn't affect the sound quality and the overall end result. What affects the sound quality is the above mentioned algorithm structure, the DAC's characteristics (frequency and dynamic response, total harmonic distortion, resolution, etc...) and the output stages.
The main difference is in the cost, where an FPGA hardwired to do a certain thing could cost less than a general purpose DSP powerful enough to handle the same thing written in DSP code.
It would have been very easy to have 8 voices.
Thanks Nick, can't wait for my JP-08 to arrive. I'll never be able to get my hands on an original anymore, since the prices have gone up to silly-land so this will be my closest approximation of the real thing. It's nice to know that it will actually sound like the real thing, for the most part
The stepping on the JP-08 sawtooth is insane. Like the bit resolution each of the waveforms is quite low. I wonder why that is. Maybe the micro they are using?
The Save a Prayer sequence was done using a Roland SH-2 & CSQ-100, not the Jupiter ;)
The small sliders are ok for me and I'm happy with the sound but I'm struggling with the delay section,it just doesn't seem to respond very well to the way the buttons function and the manual is very vague.anyone else had this problem?
The JP-08 puts these Boutique synths properly in perspective: they are a good idea messed up. How can any serious synth manufacturer expect people to accept a 20mm fader? How can they expect people to accept no external midi control? Roland drop the ball again. Its even more of a shame when they don't actually sound that bad. Pity they are hampered by lack of proper functionality.
+John Smith They'd make a lot more if it was slightly bigger and had midi/sync in/out.
All you're saying is that Roland care about the bank and not about making a decent instrument. If you're happy with that then so be it. I'm not. They could have made this better with a little more effort.
***** Maybe you're right, but predictive statistics aren't always correct. I know I'd think about buying one of these if it had a clock in/out, which doesn't seem like that complex of a feature. I'm sure you're at least correct when it comes to those awful tiny faders.
+Carlosonebillion the bigger the unit, the bigger the box, the more they have to pay in taxes per unit, which increases costs dramatically, which means they need to charge more $$$ and people aren't happy about spending $500 on a mini instrument. just look at the reaction to the yamaha reface series.
i do think the lack of midi is nuts. my guess is midi in will be added in some kind of update down the line and it just wasn't fully developed when they had to ship it.
+Herr Absurd oh shut the fck up....its like 200 bucks...not everyone gives a flying shit about a 20mm fader.....man learn how to play to play keys
Can the filter and other parameter controls be recorded/sequenced via midi into an external sequencer and played back?
thanks again Nick, handy having a mate like Dave eh?!
You scored a like just for the Nick Rhodes intro.
I just sold a mint JP8 for 9500.00, and I have to say that after comparing it closely to my Nord 2 rack, I have no regrets and aside from it being very heavy, any old JP8 is only one faulty component away from being sold for parts. These new units look kind of cool.
Bet you regret it in 2022 :)
@@SlowBloke123 and bet he regrets that in 2024. Those are going for a 25k-35k USD plus now.
wow just heard the filters is it really as close as it seems on youtube audio?
how do i save/overwrite a manual patch to a preset spot?
Was just wondering if the heat sink on an actual jupiter 8 gets hot?
On a tangent; could you please let me know the name of the keyboard controller?
What song is he playing in the intro? Very familiar but I haven't heard that in years for sure
mastersoftoday "Save a Prayer" by Duran Duran.
Nelson Lauren Thank you!
Glad to watch this again, I find these reviews bring my gear back alive. For the depth and weight, perhaps a bit of fiddling with the detune and filter would help. Digital oscillators always are too well behaved, I don't care what ACB technology tried together around that.
As 6 years have passed, I’m pretty happy I kept my ACB boutiques 😩
Though I slightly prefer real analog, I have and enjoy plenty of VA hardware and software. Still not sure what the point of the whole Roland boutique line is though, with the 4 voice limitations and VA implementation. For the same price you can get a 18-voice Novation Mininova. For $100 more you can get Roland's own Roland JD-Xi, and for $300 more you can get 4 real analog voices in a Dave Smith Tetra (with the recent price drop). I'm just curious who the target market was supposed to be...
+ProckGnosis I understand your point, but compare real analog Tetra to these Boutique modules in sound. Tetra, although analog doesn't sound as warm and soft as these. SCI / DSI synths are all sharp and brassy and the filter has a bite while Rolands were always soft and darker. Nowadays it's more about how a certain analog or digital synth engine is done.
+Rok Koritnik That actually is my point kind of, at least with the Mininova and JD-Xi comparisons. If the JP-08 really is modeled well-enough to attract a picky synth geek like me, I'm likely not going to buy it because of the 4 voice limitation. And the folks who aren't that picky about the quality, who just like the price, they'll see they can get what looks like more capability/quantity (regardless of sound quality) in comparably priced products.
So I would think the serious synth enthusiast will likely be turned off by the limitations and the tight-budget newb would likely consider something with more bang for the buck.
But maybe I've just answered my own question. Maybe the target audience is somewhere between serious synth enthusiast and newb. : )
People like me, who are in the 40..60 range and want the good old days and their youth back! ;)
4 voice limitation does suck. To me even 6 voices on a Juno can be troublesome, because I like pads with long release time. I would have to buy two JU-6 or two JP-8 in order to get enough polyphony, but then the price rises and if I add a bit more I could get the new Futuresonus Parva which is 8 voice and seems incredible.
+pcuimac I'm with you on that one Bud,it's called a mid life crisis haha
You should have put the Jupiter on one end of a see saw and see how many JPo8's it takes to balance . As useful a suggestion to anyone saying "but it's not analogue". Good work Nick
What is a good classic poly synth that isn't so overpriced on eBay that I can use to learn sound shaping on?
Could somebody PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY if using a DAW and recording parts to bmp how these are not everything we want as far as loops sequencing and SOUND? PLEASE
@@damonsiegiel7855 Knobs and faders
I'm a 14 year old with quite small hands. At least I can use it effectively.
A piece of advice from someone whose owns actual 80's hardware, don't go wasting money on overpriced antiques. Modern synths from Roland and Behringer are more then up to the task.
People usually say that nuances can't really be heard in a full mix between analogue and digital (modelled). I can understand this, this works if you are having one or two of these instruments in a track. But what if you are making a track using purely 80s analogue synth sounds (E.g.. Synthwave) - does all these nuances then add up to a really digital sounding mix, compared to analogue counterparts? I have been listening to a lot of Synthwave lately, and on a moments I thought that it sounds really dull, precise or simply said - digital. I would really like to hear some opinion on this.
Still loving my JP08’s...Roland did a good job 👍🏽
I think Roland decided if they were going to make a Jp 8 reissue it didn't have to be their new flagship, so they went for this instead..
Overall, soundwise it's pretty decent, much closer than some VST emulations I tried, I wonder if they are going to make Plugout versions of these synths, they are apparently the same technology as the aira range, so I suppose they could.. if they did, it would solve the whole small faders issue and voices issue as well, really bringing the product up a notch.
Probably they are hoping to sell these like Volcas and then possibly bring out the plugout version?
You say "it had to be done" but the sequenced part of Save a Prayer was actually a Roland SH-2 (through Space echo) not Jupiter 8 ;). JP-8 was used for the pitch bendy lead as in the video of course though.
I’ve been considering one of these. It’s impossible to purchase a real Jupiter. One went up for sale around me restored for 20k. But I can control this boutique with my jp8000 and I have arpeggiator on it so I can emulate some of the classic trance sounds.
Nick, love your reviews and your intro is hot! Just think if Roland re-released a full analog Jupiter with modern niceties. It would print money.
+John Smith $3,000 to $4,000 you think?
Too expensive
I'd like to see a video comparing that Jupiter 8 you've got there to U-he's Diva.
+rudiger Diva is great, but actually doesn't sound that authentic at all to my ears
+KILLAGORILLA7000 I've yet to see a comparison between the two though. That notwithstanding perhaps try switching off Diva's onboard effects. I don't think the original had onboard effects. Instead put effects on an AUX track and use a send.
+rudiger Is Diva supposed to be a Jupiter 8 clone? Or do you just want them compared? :P
+Stephen Mandelbaum Diva emulates a number of classic synths, with interchangeable sections. Meaning that beyond the straight up emulations, you can mix "modules" in hybrid designs, like the oscillators from a Minimoog with the filter of a Jupiter-8, or vice versa, just as 2 examples.
It's often praised for sounding very analogue, and was especially at the time of its release a quantum leap for software in terms of sounding analogue. Which has since become more common.
Despite it emulating several classic synths, as well as the potential for crazy hybrids, actual useful and well done comparisons between it and the real synths it emulates are pretty scarce.
If i remember correctly the modelled synths are Minimoog, Jupiter-8, Alpha Juno, MS-20 and something else...
+Stephen Mandelbaum I'd just like to see the compared that's all. I've not seen a useful comparison between Diva and a synth like the Jupiter 8, which by the way it does emulate in it's entirety. This Roland Boutique thing is a little on the ridiculous side.
I have the JU-06 and between the 3 the JU-06 and more real to me...it has a Deep Lush Thick sound and the quality of the Envelopes and Filters sound awesome....i tried the other 2 and altho they were great, the JU-06 just convinced me immediately....didn't have to Fiddle around too much to be convinced...i wouldn't mind having both tho...the JU-06 & the JP-08..That would be cool
Can anyone advise how to record this into Logic Pro? I can't seem to do it, it just records midi data.
+Lawrence Vaughan As with any DAW, you would need to record the audio output into an audio track in Logic. Set up a midi track out to the JP-08 and an audio track with the audio input of your audio interface. Hope this helps!
Juan A. Matos I think so. So plug it in via USB for midi data and also output to my audio interface. I was under the impression it had its own interface built in.
That patch at the start doesn't sound like "Save A Prayer" at all. Hard to tell if this thing is actually able to approximate the original's sound.
The missing "weight" - isn't that the Noise? Similar to the debate with vinyl versus cds? A study showed that listeners preferred the music with noise, even when noise was added as a foundation to the digital playback. Noise makes it a more complex listening experience, even when we don't know why.
My guess, anyway.
Has anyone tried running these 'virtual analog' things through a real tube preamp?
I have a Jupiter 8 and it's dead quiet, no noise.
bh617 not the kind of 'noise' I was talking about.
My setup is: Novation Ultranova + Arturia v4 collection + MacBook Pro 2011(!) + Mainstage. All the synth you need!
To get that gravity and thud back into my JP I just plug it into my neve preamp for that extra juice 🤘
Same. My solution to the Boutiques is use 2 Rupert Never RND-I 1/4" TS Male into the Neve 1/8 t r s male boutique out to 1/4" TS Male into the Neve. Now here is the kicker. Use A StereoPing Polychainer and you have 8 voice round robin. Ka Ching! If you wanna get crazier run all 4 TS into an SSL12 has 32 bit float. Whale away wheeeeeeeeeeew.
which oscilloscope you are using to display the forms of audio waves sonicstate
I've owned two Jupiter 8's. Great synths, but totally overhyped. This is a great little unit for the price. Nothing to sniff at.
I agree. That's why these videos get silly. The small unit has the same kind of sound and that's good enough.
99% of the folks making music wouldn't even know how to consistently pull that last bit of mustard out of an original 8. And if they did, they almost certainly have moved on to much more advanced and expensive forms of production.
Overhyped by someone who’ll settle for something less.
I agree, I own a Jupiter 6 and haven't switched it on in years, I originally paid about £500 for it, it's now worth about two grand, f***ing mental. Not worth it with todays technology. Honestly hat sync sound, I can't tell them apart.
I hope Gaz's Circuit review is coming soon, been looking forward to that one!
+KILLAGORILLA7000 If not, I have one coming to Harmony Central very soon! :o)
Matthew Mann Nice one!
Thanks for the review - nice to hear that the filter and waves sound similar. Would've liked to hear more of the pulse/square/PWM sounds which seem harder in character than the original. I'd love Roland to make a full-size version of this with 8 voices, higher quality controls, *and* Juno Chorus I+II included to fatten-up the sound nicely :)
Emulation sounds good however agree Nick that the Jupiter has a fraction more low end weight. Also when you open the filter on the JP08 sounds slightly sharp. Analogue sounds sweeter when you do this. It is something I noticed a lot in comparisons, that an analogue synth has more of the energy focussed on the lower mids..I would be interested how well it compares to Diva...however - overall pretty good for the money. Thanks for the review!
Fraction more?? Not $7,000 more.
whats all that high frequency stuff on the originals waveform?
my module only makes sound in dual mode. what the heck am i doing wrong?
The Jupiter 8 seems to have a faster attack to me, otherwise its pretty close. Why o why are these not at least 6 voice tho
Indeed... The 4 voices seems such a bizarre limitation when most VAs are almost limitless polyphony. Perhaps, cynically, it's to leave you needing to buy more.
+Paul “Electronicaz” Johnson If I was interested in buying this before, the 4 voice limitation just killed it full stop - how lame and gimpy :S
I can't see how it would have added much to the cost to make these modules a little larger. They would have been much easier to use. However, being able to control them from an external unit would be a good compromise.
Anyone remember the Creamware ASB Pro 12, Minimax and Prodyssey? Similar kind of thing.
Same about polyphony, now it's digital, how it would have added to make it 8 voice AS ITS NAME ITSELF SAY!!! The honest name of this toy should be JP-04, not 08!!!
Are you planning to make a review of the jx-03?
Jupiter 8s sell for around 10G right now, and it's been that way for years. The demand has always been there. What more motivation does Roland need to do a legit version of this classic synth, Korg and Dave Smith are actually listening to what people want and delivering. As somebody that has played the real thing I can tell you it's a legit beast and the hype is real. We don't want this 4-voice toy Roland, please listen to your customers.
I used a Juno 60, SH-101 and D10 back in the day, selling each as new kit became a necessity. But I never owned a Jupiter 8 (or an OB-X/a, OSCar, Emulator II or Prophet 5 for that matter), something I've regretted over the years. So this would at least help me get over that.
So the input just works all the time ?
does it go to the filter ?
what is the tune played at the start of this?
it's driving me nuts not knowing!
Duran Duran, duh. 😳
What kind of controller keyboard is being used in this video? Looks thin and to play well.
CME xkey 37 it's okay I have one. There is not a lot of travel in the keys but overall it's not bad.
How you control the jp 08 thru the cme xkey?You send cme midi to your daw and then from your daw to jp 08?Or directly? Regards!
Same question!
Can they stack in series to give 8 voices? I thought the other Boutiques could.
+Liam Donaldson Yes Liam,they can.Got a pair chained and controlled with a JP-8000 and they sound nice.
+Jim Robinson I think you can chain them to each other as well to get 8 voices. A Jp-08 and a JU-06 for example. Is that right?
+OrangeJackson Not 100% sure mate.I will quote from the crap peace of paper manual"Although the jp-08 is four note polyphonic,you can increase the polyphony by using a midi cable to connect two or more jp-08 units and turniug chain mode on."then it goes on to say"If your using two jp-08 units,it's a good idea to match their patch settings by using the"data backup/restore"procedure.So if you need to match their settings you might need two the same to get that jupiter 8 thing.Nice synth jupiter 8 but overated,i like the jupiter 6 better and they are a lot cheaper.
+Jim Robinson jupiter 6 was lifeless.
Your scope seems to be showing very visible sample blocks on the waveforms for the JP-08. Do they actually look that bad or is that just the scope you were using?
+Ian Hoffman We were using the Bitscope Micro USB scope, direct connection, yes I wonder about the stepping, I think it may be a limitation of the scope, will look into getting a higher specified one.
Thanks
The idea of showing the waveform is nice, but you should really be using a real digital scope, it's performing a million times better and much easier to use than these little gimmicks. Now you can get excellent chinese brand scopes for less than the price of a Roland Boutique. Check out the Hantek DSO 5072P or RIGOL scopes on Amazon for instance.
no way, you have to spend more to the scope that synth you're scoping
thank you! Exactly the kind of review I was looking for! great job
If a JP-08 has the same wave shape and oscilloscope wave height as a Jupiter 8, then I cannot see how the original can have more "weight/thud" to it. The oscilloscope doesn't lie. As mentioned, the original has some introduced noise in the signal path, and maybe that adds a hint of tonal colour, but unless the Jupiter is higher in the mix, then oscilloscope hight wise, their output will be exactly the same. Those wave comparisons are so nigh on exact, any difference in dry oscillator, will be near as makes no difference. It is clear to see on the comparison, that the 08 is pure, and the Jupiter is noisy, but if you want that noise, shove it through something analogue, or tweak some VST effects to 'dirty' it up. Virtually none of us have never heard a Jupiter in the raw, least of all to compare it to a DVCO, so in truth, once it's had effects added, nobody could tell.
We'd all love to have a real Jupiter, just to say we have, but in truth, they are massive, and as lovely as they sound, and delightful to noodle, almost anything can do 'Jupiter' sound now, including the JP-08, or VST versions, sorry, but that's the truth.
I think you are actually wrong... look at the differecies between the JP-8 square wave and the jupiter's wave on the oscilloscope, all the steps that you see in the JP-8's wave are due to the digital oscillator that it has, those are infuencing the harmonic spectrum. resulting in a "flatter" sound.
This happens in nearly all systems that have a DSP (digital signal processor) as signal generator, or that have a DAC (digital2analog converter) that converts the digital signal (numbers) into an analog signal(waves).
That's also why a compressed sound file (digital) does not sound as a vinyl.
+Davide Canuti watch the video. They sound near identical. In a final mix, exactly the same.
in person they can not sound identical, it is fisically impossible. (IMO)
When everything produced now goes through D2A conversion, eg MP3 CD (wav) etc, it's then digital. and unless every time we go to listen to music, we go to the artists studio for that 'in person' sound, it's always going to be digitally reproduced sound. As James Reeno says, in the final mix, to our ears, it's the same, and considering every track is processed over and over and effects and eq applied, it's NOTHING like the original raw wave. Besides, nobody listening would neither know nor care how 'original'/accurate it is to the original. That's like worrying that the raw guitar sound is not the same, as it's gone through a distortion pedal, nobody ever moans about the raw sound then.
fisically?
I'm just about to enter round two now as I just recieved one in the mail after a year or two of not having one. It truly is quite amazing. However Roland would be the coolest company ever if they released a software update with 8 or more voices as well as CC compability. And don't touch that chorus easter egg. In fact I never tried that on the first one I had.
They can't increase the voice count with a software update; it only has enough DSP power for 4 voices. Check out the System-8. It runs the same emulation with 8 voices, and has a four octave keyboard and full size controls for every parameter.
@@st0rmchild of course they can, it's software
Why is there no jx03 review?
Great review! I bought the JP-08 and just love it, but I wonder how I can get the audio stream through USB into my DAW (Cubase 8). I can select it in the audiodriver panel but than I disable my main audio interface, it's one or the other. The Elektron A4 f.e. has a VST which handles the USB audio stream so your main Asio interface can stay selected, or maybe I'm missing something? Always handy if I can save an extra pair of analog inputs to my soundcard which is already full..
If you are using osx you can create an aggregate device. Not sure about pc though.
+sonicstate Thx Nick, but I'm indeed on windows 7. Asio4all could be a way I gues, but I read it's not that stable and other issues.. But ok, I will hook it up the old fashioned way, maybe Roland will do some updates, who knows? Don't really see the point of an audio interface if you can't use it in combination with your multiple input main soundcard, but than again maybe some users are more successfull in this. Your JU-06 review now makes me want to buy that one as well, waiting for the JX-03 one ;-)
We want a COPY of Jupiter 8! New in the box. :) Even for 2000 USD! Roland pleeeease!
Dave always surprise Us :)
No. Just buy the JP-08!!
Small, plasticy, midi issues, short faders etc... No thanks :)
+BMR Studio sounds near identical. Watch the review.
Is even not close.... Let's create a voting on it. Guys who want a real big analog upgraded Brand new Jupiter 8 for under 2500 USD?
Hello, Dan. What is the software for visualizing sound signal in the video. Is it mobile or Mac / PC app?? NAme of it?? Thanks
Pity Roland didn't make it 8 voice isn't it? Of course 4 voice helped keep price down. Is it possible to buy a 2nd one and place it out of sight if you're really short of space, then control both from 1 unit (sysex) ?
Yes.. there is a polychain feature. But for some reason Roland has left it as a broken implementation. In polychain mode the second synth only gets activated when you press between 5-8 keys at once.. rather than doing a round robin on each key pressed etc. Which means notes get cut off weirdly as voices from the first synth are always being stolen, despite the second synth having unused voices. Jolly silly. You could get around it maybe by using a MIDI distribution box/router.. but getting a System-8 instead might make more sense
what scope are you using? need to use that with VZ-1 sound making
what was that song at the beginning? It's right there at the edge of my mind.
Save a prayer Duran Duran
I hate to say it, but Roland here proved that it can be done with digital technology. These sound closer to the originals they emulate than say the new Korg Odyssey is faithful to the sound of the original Odysseys, and it's done in analog.
+Rok Koritnik Really? You believe that? Did you not see the video Dave Spiers did on the new Korg Odyssey comparing it to the original on the Sonicstate channel? Even Dave, an Odyssey fan boy if ever there was one, conceded the sound was pretty much the same. Also, the point of analog is that they won't sound exactly the same anyway. Thats the point of analog. Different components mean that each synth will have variation even on models of the same thing. No two sound the same anyway. For my money this was as similar to a Jupiter 8 as the Korg is to the Arp.
I watched Dave's comparison, yes. And from that I concluded that it wasn't that close. Sure, it has the character, but on many points behaves quite differently. I like the Korg Odyssey nevertheless. It's great, but faithfull to the original it is not.
+Rok Koritnik i own both. Sonically they are near identical.
+Rok Koritnik it is near identical sonically. I own both.
It would be great if the JP-08 would have a default mapping for the MKS-80, given that it is dimension wise like a MPG-80.
Is the system 8 a much more realistic sounding Jupiter 8 emulation?
Great sound on the original jupiter 8 in the playout - kind of overshadows the jp08 acc
Where is the JX03 review?
Sorry units had to go back. Ran out of time
+sonicstate Boo hiss.
JK :)
Would of liked to see that review, though.
Thanks
+sonicstate I hope you get another in the near future. Really, no one is even trying to review these units close to the level of detail that Sonicstate does.