Lively clashes at PMQs - Harman vs. Hague
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Harriet Harman, Deputy Labour Leader, versus William Hague, Shadow Foreign Secretary, in the House of Commons on Wednesday April 2, 2008. Gordon Brown was in Russia somewhere for a meeting - I'm not sure where David Cameron was.
Harman is a well-known feminist and promoter of gender equality, so it's no wonder she countered Hague's comments about Margaret Thatcher so easily. More commentary about this at: news.bbc.co.uk/...
Also, here is the blog entry on Harriet Harman's website that Hague was referring to: blog.harriethar...
William Hague - One of the best MPs on his feet in the House - in different times he would have been an excellent PM
Hague will be missed. He is a class act and naturally funny. Even if he is a Tory
I love politics in those bygone era. Its just political correctness and sanitized zombies
Christopher Wilson begone idiot
He would av been a better leader than Camron and definitely May .......
Hague has a mystical power with his voice. It's impossible to judge what he says when the effect of his voice is equal to a squeaking door hinge, designed to make you feel off balance.
No idea how a northerner picks ups that sort accent.
Christopher Wilson Moron
I like how they take a swipe at each other and smile afterwards. British parliament is the liveliest parliament in the world!
I'm from 8 years in the future. Holy fuck.
@@maddie_1122 Now PMQs is boring and shit
You must visit more parliaments before making that bold statement. These MPs are smiling as they troll & tickle.
Is the South African parliament a joke to you?
Hague is awesome.
Zero integrity though, like the vast majority of them.
Doesn't Hague look like Pres. Eisenhower
A J Hecha is that a good thing lol?
A J Hecha I like ike
Jamie Ngo well Eisenhower is a certified badass
4:10 So that's where Theresa May got her strong and stable line....
THe good old days where banter was friendly and fun !!
The reason why David Cameron wasn't asking the questions is due to convention. If the PM doesn't take part in PMQs for whatever reason, convention is that the Leader of the Opposition doesn't also and one of the front bench does instead. In this case the Shadow Foreign Secretary.
hague is laughing the whole time I love that guy :P
"The shadow of the leader of the house, is sitting next to him". Best line EVER lol
Harriet Hartman was actually a good politician
@@andypandy4607 She ain't dead yet. Still an MP & apparently still a wild driver.
The hell is Theresa May wearing lol. Massive brown leather jacket?
Is that Theresa May right behind Hague? She's lost alot of weight since then
Donavan McMahon she was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes in 2012
Stress of the top job
Regardless of which party is in power, I love watching Question Time. Once, just once, I would like to see an American president answer questions about his, or possibly her, policies, decisions and future plans for the nation.
As an American Republican I wish my party was more like the Conservatives in the UK.
As an American Democrat, I agree. I wish the American GOP was a conservative party. Instead, it's reactionary & nationalistic. Pity.
@@dbyers3897 Nationalistic sugarcoats the real thing too much. The current GOP is fascist, anti-democratic and racist!
I'm an American. If I lived in England I would vote Labour. However, William Hague is just so damn transfixing. He's quite the orator.
Unfortunately he isn't an MP anymore but he is a Lord now
i miss harman vs hague. it only happened a handful of times but they were brilliant! im a tory but harman did do rly well at this exchange and i dont think ANYONE was expecting it tbh
As an American I am glad she is not a politician here.
Hague 1 - Harman - 0
Hague is fantastic, one of my favourite Tories. Harman is, always has been, and will continue to be very weak in The Commons.
Hague mentioned the death of a Lieutenant Colonel fighting for his country. Harman gets up, totally ignores this, and proceeds to drive home, and prioritise a feminist point of order. Despicable woman.
WIN for Hague!
Hauge's experience trumped Harman here
3:41 oh that baseball cap thingy
never left on hague's memory
😂😂😂
Actuallt, Harman made a good point. Why was Hague, and not Teresa May, speaking for the opposition in Camerons absence?
I'd like Harriet Harmon as a leader here.
Fair enough, it was interesting debating this issue with you, thanks.
Is this how politicians flirt?
Indeed, and he has the PERFECT voice for political debate!
Harriet was a great debater
Agree. Brit politicians have a much higher IQ, understand science, and speak good English.
Harman started brightly, but lost her way completely....
Hague completely annihilated her...
You must have watched a different clip
@@Richardtv1968 Nope Hague did destroy her. She attempted to destroy him but his comebacks were way better
@@Richardtv1968 she could t really answer why Labour were 30 years behind the Conservatives
As an american you should be very worried (and frankly ashamed), of politicians such as sarah palin, christine o' donnell and michelle bachmann.
@pimpUK1 By the way. Thanks for not becoming abusive. It's refreshing to be able to have a robust debate without it descending into personal insults
Ah, Hague is awesome! He really needs to be leader again!
Cameron wasn't there because the PM only faces the Leader of the Opp, while the Deputy Leader faces the Deputy Leader of the Opp.
I'm 12 years late....but actually Theresa may the then shadow LoH should have faced the LoH...as was mentioned by Harman in this debate.
I don't know where David Cameron was but whenever the Deputy Leader does PMQ's the Deputy Leader of the Opposition tends to deputise for the Leader of the Opposition.
They're supposed but Keir Starmer broke that trend last year when Boris was out with COVID.
Question Time has been an integral part of the Westminster tradition, and the Westminster Parliamentary system in the U.K. and most Commonwealth countries long before the invention of television, or RUclips.
This reflects the different philosophies of our respective parliaments. We in the Westminster tradition believe governments are best kept accountable with constant scrutiny, constant criticism, probing, and questioning. I don't know what the American philosophy of accountability is.
4:08 - I never realised Harman coined the term 'strong and stable'!
May heard it as she was sitting next to Hague, is this the origin story?
That comes from the media and the blogs. In addition, government here requires more compromise - there is no "Government" and it must be done via majority or supermajority votes in both Houses of Congress, which generally require bipartisanship. Trust me, there's a lot of probing done, even from inside Congress.
Classic bit of political banter
It's an embarrassing mismatch of intellects. Shame on Labour for having such a ineffectual lightweight on the front bench.
Harridan Harperson - what a complete joke
I really do hate the Labour frontbench... they never answer the question, just avoid it and talk about the 90's...
@capstoner77 As a Brazilian, so do I. We are trying to lobby within the opposition coalition to get a sponsor for a public draft of bill to import that model. In the case, we wouldn´t have the chief-of-state sitting and answering questions, but his Civil House Minister, the equivalent of a deputy prime minister. Americans should do that too, it would be much funny
Harriet-in-high-street-listening blog!!
LOL!
Hague has always been quality at PMQs....Harmen just has no sense of humour whatsoever
Really, I thought she responded well to his jokes. Owned him on that front.
The thing that annoys me about Harman, is that she uses inaccurat info. In fact she had to be told off by one of the Statistics departments for using her distorting the figures she was given.
Inaccurat statement.
@alonelychild I'm Australian and we have this Westminster style of government - I'm a fan of it. For maximum efficacy the head of state needs to be the one answering the questions, not his/her deputy or anyone else. And it ought to be televised. With power should come responsibility, and nothing compares to the grilling from a rabid opposition in this area. It is very healthy and helps to keep the corrupting influence of power in check.
Not really. OK he had a point about people becoming worse off after the removal of the 10p tax rate, but she was also right to imply his party are far worse to the poor and only cut tax for the rich.
To answer the info point on David Cameron. If the Prime Minister isn't there then the Leader of the Opposition and the Leader of the Third party do not attend either and had over to their deputies. So it was Harriet Harman for the Government. William Hague for the Tories and Vincent Cable for the Liberal party.
u are very right sir!
i am from ukraine - and I envy u like crazy that you have such great politicians, i would vote for ANY person in here - they are amazing. very smart, very witty, very huge balls!
love them
Funny how Harman completely destroyed Hague here but people keep on complementing Hague! He was a joke, nothing more
...and what economic state was the country in when this lot left in 2010.
Gold ❤
Gold, good times.
@Noodlehorn
Lol the tories did choose IDS a few years ago - and it was disastrous
Interesting. When I put this video up I didn't know anything much about Harriet Harman. But from reading the comments here there sure seems to be a lot of anger towards her. (Or is that only among the people who bothered to comment?)
“On a lighter note”…🤦🏼
@Gooseman2k2 Im happy she is not a a politician here because i dissagree with her. Not because they are better or worse in the u.k.
"Strong, Stable Economy" she says.
6 months later her Government inflicted the biggest financial crisis for generations which left us with the biggest deficit ever.
I rest my case M'lud ...
are you dumb...it was a world wide crisis not the government's doing
MrASxY I mean they had deficit spending budgets at the height of the boom in fairness
There's a huge amount of anger towards the government, as there always has been.
And you're writing from 1605?
Hague is awesome
Jon B Hague was that awesome that when confronted by a real Leader in Tony Blair in 2001, he crawled away with not only his baseball cap between his legs but with most of his party with him!
this is why everyone should vote conservative. even when theyre not in government, tories own labour everytime, and its bloody brilliant :) x
I'm no Harriet Harman fan, but she owned Hague here
5:30 no answer to the question Harriet.
@Xen1aserman Yes , they really are ! I just stumbled on this today - I had no idea they clowned around like this all the time, lol !
If Margret thatcher was my president I would be very proud :)
Her face fell down. That was a good day.
Effectively the deputy leader but not a formal role unlike the Shadow FS portfolio.
Harman has been attempting too many pathetic jokes of late, we need Hague back to put her in in her place, as a limited pathetic politician of a done for party.
and.....she was not fulfilling her role as deputy leader of the labour party as this is not a governmental role. As the post of DPM is not used at the moment the PM picks a senior minister, and the opposition should put up the shadow of that ministerial role. :)
I wonder is Cameron will get stabbed in the back like thatcher did by her own party.
Harriet Harman's agenda has gone too far, it is unfortunately far worse for women.Try getting a job if you are of child-bearing age for an SME (you will find it hard!), its fine in gravy-train public sector but not in the real world.The Labour party took on the last 20 years of conservative policies and have RODE on them. If labour had been in power in the 80s this country would be dictated to by the unions,have the economic output of Hungary and everyone's standard of living would be decreased.
On another note, I do find this sort of active, rollicking politics good in a way. Yes, it distracts from the issues at hand, but it keeps everyone paying attention (to what has become a gigantic mano-a-mano debate anyway) and engages the populace in watching. (Over 100,000 views.) This as opposed to my American politics, which consist of droll, dry speeches that people don't watch because they're boring and cannot interest anyone. People pay attention, at least to a small extent, this way.
Honestly, your reply makes no sense at all. I have tried, but I simply can not elucidate any meaning from it at all. Could you maybe ask one of your friends to write it for you?
Aren't you forgetting that Gordon Brown also is a MP? ;)
Harriet Harman's shrill voice is so annoying!
youtube bring more of this!!!
this is fantastic! its much more funny than any jeremy clarkson and so on and so forth, because its real!!
@joe018687645 that's not his wife. they are all elected politicians, she is called Theresa May and is well known for her footwear. he is now the Foreign Secretary and she is the Home Secretary.
Ashleywise, what you are not taking into account was that on PMQ's, she was fulfilling her role as Deputy leader, not leader of the house, which is a smaller government role. Theresa May, isn't the conservative deputy, william Hague is, so Harman's assertion that May should have represented the opposition was clearly wrong. There's no need to be personal Ashleywise, your implication that I may be the stupid one, seems you are wrong on both counts.
when was william hague PM?
@IAmHaloNoob degradeing someones intelligence that you disagree with is a sign lack of courage to fight them on their ideas.
I'd call that a draw between them, they both got their punches in! Usually Hague isn't caught so off guard, but the next time they clashed a few months later, Hague went for her jugular! Made her look a complete fool over her leadership ambitions!
Harman is hopeless.
Women can't do politics!! I am a woman myself, and I personally believe we don't have the guts for politics - simple as! It's a man's world and if it was 1905, I'd be looking down on the Suffragists.
Twas a mistake type darling. I used to work for the government in communications, so yes I do know an awful lot about politics. So you think the 10 p tax band helps the poor? EMA is nice patter, but a government report last month stated that social mobility was higher under John Major's government than this one (that is a huge failure for a left-wing government). Brown RAIDED the pension purse for his spending binges, to say pensioners have net benefited is very ignorant.
I think they should make a double act, hague vs harman is the new hague vs prescott = a laugh a minute :D
@pimpUK1 In the pre history age, communities actually relied more for survival on the females' gathering and agricultural skills which were more reliable as a food source. Ar result of women's evolutionary role has been their greater capacity for communication and co-operation, key features of an effective management style. Gender in itself should not prevent anyone from being successful in large companies or in any other area of life.
@YorkshireDaz and ermineermine: Don't you have anything better to do than exchange insults on RUclips? The universe is such an amazing place.
Haugue v Harman is simply no contest!
Agreed Hague wins everytime
Harman is another MP who cannot answer a question..Hague is right people are being hammered by the tax regime..
they spend more time with egotistcal quiffs then representing the people.
Don't ever, ever let this woman become PM!
Binch
Harman 1 - Hague 0
Harriet Harman seems stronger at PMQs than Gordon Brown. She put up a surprisingly good fight. She was butchered, sure, but butchered gracefully.
Conservatives against the 10p tax band. The real party that cares about the poor. Tory win for 2012!
Harriet Harman should be leading the Labour party not Corbyn
+villaparis2 Small problem: she's very, very unpopular. She'd fare no better at a general election than Corbyn. Truth be told, Labour haven't got any star players at the moment. In the Conservative ranks, there are several people who could conceivably step up to the plate come 2020 when Cameron steps down. Labour have no one. Corbyn might appeal to the far left entryists who elected him leader but to the country at large his socialist platform simply does not resonate with the people. Ed Miliband lost the election because people thought he was too left wing, now Corbyn wants to make Labour even more so. Unfortunately for Labour, any replacement would have to be both competent and popular. Labour don't currently have anyone who fits both requirements. A lot can happen in five years, but Labour will need a miracle to stand a chance against the Conservatives in 2020. I mean, Corbyn's stance isn't going to win back the English marginals, and the SNP vote remains entrenched. As for Wales, things are so stagnant there politically that I doubt the outcome of the election will be affected by it.
+Theocook1 But why is Harriet Harman so unpopular? Hasn't she done a lot for women's rights and woman politicians?
Well aside from being the current longest serving female MP, no not really. She's tried, but in doing so has often found herself guilty of misandry. In 1997 she introduced new rules on winter fuel payments that meant women got them five years earlier than men. The case went to court and it was found that the rules breached sex discrimination laws. Also during the 2008 recession she tried to claim that women were being worse affected by the crash than men, even though all stats pointed to the contrary. She's been quoted as saying that men cannot be left to run anything by themselves and the 2008 crash wouldn't have happened if it had been the 'Lehman Sisters'. She's just not a likeable person; in 2009 a yougov poll found her to be the second least popular Labour minister, and trust me when you look at the list on the yougov website she was up against some pretty stiff competition. She's also not a strong leader. Just look at her past performances at PMQs - she's terrible. Her encounters with William Hague and the ease with which he destroyed her time and time again are particularly toe curling. Sorry if this seems like a bit of a rant, I was just trying to answer your question :)
Oh I don't know, maybe it has something to do with campaigning for pedo rights back in the 80s.
Yes, because Cameron is soo much better than Obama, right?
HH ' we have a strong, stable and growing economy' ' the tax burden in this country is lower than we he was in government' what a difference 9 months makes!!!
@DLPBurke +1 totally spot on there. Just the same as few will be high up in large companies. Men and women are different. Men have always been the hunter gatherers, whereas women have been the caring emotional type.
Hague demolishing harperson there.
What really gets up my nose about Harperson is the way she sits there behind Brown or whoever, smug expression on her face, noddling sagely in agreement with whatever's being said.Talk about a 'nodding dog' - all she needs to complete the outfit is a couple of furry dice dangling from her earoles!
JB.