I saw the tail end of this, and Damien Green and Douglas Alexander's responses angered me so much that I had a sleepless night. According to them, it's acceptable to oppress and ethnically cleanse the Arab population of Palestine, but not to resist that oppression and ethnic cleansing. Its sickening that they deflect the blame away from the illegal occupiers in such an offhand manner.
And when Adams insinuated that Israel “Shares our moral values”. Moral values that he therefore thinks that Palestinians are incapable of sharing. Despicable.
White privilege. Can you imagine the furore if a non white person made a statement like that? They would have been arrested and charged for the use of language as a hate crime.
How can a country which stole other peoples land and then continues to inflict oppression and acts of terrorism against the indigenous population then turn around and claim to be having the right to defend itself from its own crimes which caused the victims to commit a act in self-defence.. Unbelievable
@@resoulcoupleshub4464 History has to be treated selectively in order to suite some people. Moslems never displace anyone, just drive through any British city.
@@resoulcoupleshub4464this is incorrect - we as Jews are not allowed this land!! Please don’t talk about the Torah or our religion when you have no knowledge or learning!!
The question shouldn't have been "What should Israel have done on October 7th," but, rather, what Israel should NOT have done pre October 7th. Israelis are laughing now, but the last laugh won't be theirs; that's a mathematical certainty. The world has woken up and is seeing the true colors of the state of Israel. Long live Palestine.
Shift the NARRATIVE to the SURGEON not the SCALPEL. Shift the NARRATIVE to the HAND THAT WEILDS THE SWORD not the SWORD. This entire cockiness of seven million ISRAELIS is fundamentally due to blanket IMMUNITY granted by a corrupt US CONGRESS. Now that the US is a net exporter of oil products, ISRAEL is a DISPENSABLE ENTITY. Very much like the UKRAINIANS. They are both CANNON FODDER to a declining EMPIRE unwilling to put boots on the ground. PROXY WARS in UKRAINE and ISRAEL is not a panacea to avoid the return of BODY BAGS of your SONS and DAUGHTERS. Let's take up this discussion to a new REALISTIC PERSPECTIVE. There's an ETHNIC CLEANSING going on in GAZA, WEST BANK and LEBANON of PALESTINIANS by a career politician fighting for survival - BENJAMIN NETANYAHU.
Deep respect to Ash! Our politics do not quite match but seeing Ash on Question Time and speaking up for the truth, is massive! Good on you Ash for standing up for what is right!
@@BanjoSick To trying cover the genocide Israel is engaging in. That's why Israel won't allow independent, international journalist crews into the region, UNLESS accompanied by IDF spokespeople. Can't hide the genocide or control the narrative otherwise. Thankfully, most of us are smart enough to see what's going on, since it's undeniable that this is a genocide. But you keep banging on. Personally though, I'd be embarrassed if I were as clueless as you on the situation in Israel. I bet you think this all started on the 7th October 2023 haha, and not back in 1948, some 39 years before Hamas even came to be, when Israel commenced it's genocide on Palestinians.
This is what bullies/villians do time and time.They terrorize their victims and demand to do so in secrecy. Once exposed, bullies spin a crafted narrative that leaves chunks of information off. Making themselves into the victims
I (foolishly) went on a kibbutz in 1987. Never met so many people seething with exceptionalism and hatred in my life. The only surprise is that it they taunted the underdog for this long before they met with retaliation.
Israel never wanted the hostages back. Why do you think they sacrificed festival goers? They knew this was coming and put the festival on the front line
@@greenthumbstrummer IsNotReal has over 13 THOUSAND Palestinian hostages currently in military detention. In total, IsNotReal has MILLIONS of Palestinian hostages in Gaze & the Occupied West Bank & Lebanon that they occasionally "mow the grass" on.
Yes, and the right of an occupying force to defend itself against the people living under its occupation is highly questionable to start with. It is not at all the same as the right of a country to defend itself from attacks by a neighbouring country under normal circumstances.
This once again confirms it, and the quote has to be updated: To quote Michael Brooks: "It’s not a complex issue. That’s the big thing. It’s super simple. There’s one group that has enormous power. It’s the most powerful country in the Middle East. It’s backed by the United States. It acts on MULTIPLE other populations of people with total impunity and it’s never held accountable for anything." R.I.P.
Shift the NARRATIVE to the SURGEON not the SCALPEL. Shift the NARRATIVE to the HAND THAT WEILDS THE SWORD not the SWORD. This entire cockiness of seven million ISRAELIS is fundamentally due to blanket IMMUNITY granted by a corrupt US CONGRESS. Now that the US is a net exporter of oil products, ISRAEL is a DISPENSABLE ENTITY. Very much like the UKRAINIANS. They are both CANNON FODDER to a declining EMPIRE unwilling to put boots on the ground. PROXY WARS in UKRAINE and ISRAEL is not a panacea to avoid the return of BODY BAGS of your SONS and DAUGHTERS. Let's take up this discussion to a new REALISTIC PERSPECTIVE. There's an ETHNIC CLEANSING going on in GAZA, WEST BANK and LEBANON of PALESTINIANS by a career politician fighting for survival - BENJAMIN NETANYAHU.
@@timvella1817 Indeed Tim, you've found the traitor. Good work. Thank god you were here to spy on this channel and sus her out. I'll begin filing the charges ASAP.
Israel's impunity has already started causing diplomatic fallout as our hypocrisy has been laid bare for an entire year. The spat between India and Canada over targeted assassinations being a great example of this.
The diplomatic fallout has only just begun. In funding and arming this genocide, the Biden administration has given the US a stain that will never wash away. No longer can the US credibly argue in favor of intervention on behalf of human rights, having now participated in such a shameful disgrace, the crime of all crimes. The so-called 'shining city on a hill' died on a gurney in the blasted ruins of al-Shifa Hospital. I've never felt so ashamed of anything in my entire life than to call myself an American right now.
I don't remember reading that the US negotiated with Japan in 1945. The war with Japan ended with thousands of women and children being killed in Hiroshima. qv the blitz in London and Coventry, the bombing of Hamburg and Dresden, unfortunately innocent men, women and children die in wars.
@@Onthemove6801 . Even if those things happened doesn't mean they're normal , especially regarding the average of children and women K so far . U're talking about a strip that it's smaller than a small city or neighborhood in Japan and yet they got bombed by the equivalent of 3 nuclear bombs already . Through a year , destroying every aspect of civilian life and starvation have been the major weapon of this on going horror.. That's normal too ?
The Conservative, Labour, Lib-Dem & Independent Friends of Israel should be handed over to the ICC for trial, for their complicity in The Palestinian Holocaust.
@@zakariahassan7291 How about Gazans getting their smart minds together to get their own electricity, water etc.? Instead they allowed Hamas to spend billions building tunnels instead of providing their citizens with basic needs like water, electricity, roads , housing and food. Is gaza not next to a sea?
What should Israel have done on October 8th? The same thing they should have done on October 6th and every day prior going back to the Nakba. Give Palestinians equal rights in the state of Israel or give them a separate state. What is so difficult regarding this question? Yes, the process of peace would not be easy, but it never is. That is the hard choice that Israel is unwilling to take.
@@timvella1817take your own advice and read from sources that are not hasbara everyone knows israel were never interested in any peace agreements they were a sham they continued killing Arabs and stealing their land ,that's been their only policy....
@@misshope795 They don't own the land, neither collectively nor individually. Collectively the sovereign powers (in modern times) were the Ottomans and then the British, while only some 30% of the land was in private hands. So, this claim is false.
@@timvella1817 Why should they accept a "Partial" state in a land that was stolen from them in the first place? "Grow a brain and read some books"! If that is too difficult for you, just listen properly to the clip again! As intimated, should Ukraine accept the present situation in the Donetsk etc because a "Stronger power" stole it? Can you actually get your head around the analogy? Probably not!
@@nonenone-vt8cgWalter Model was a bit further away from being a war criminal for successfully defeating the 1944 uprising on the retreat. Compare that with the earlier uprising - less than one hundred armed Jews versus 2000 Waffen SS. This was on another level compared to such actions as Rorke's drift. In the current Gaza war, Hamas are better armed, with the latest Kornet models, drones, night vision goggles and at the beginning, more than 100 Tactical Ballistic Missiles, amongst other goodies. Hamas were militarily more in the position of the Polish Home Army. This ain't the 1943 uprising in the Ghetto or the later Treblinka uprising - or even Masada. But it is not like the typical Novara viewer to think that there were Jews in Israel before 1947.
he, ther. i was wondering if you have any comment on the hunres of thousans of Syrian incluing two hunre thousand chilren in th Syrian war . or the fact more people have been kille in Suan in the last 12 months than anywhere. i'll wait.
The thing many people are overlooking is that both the USA and Israel were partially responsible for what happened on October 7th. For decades the Palestinian have been complaining to the UN and other World justice organizations about the abuses they were experiencing in their lands from Israel, but America through vetoes and other intimidation methods have blocked the UN and other organization from taking action. The Palestinians were left with almost no peaceful means to resist what was being done to them
You mean that they could do their own thing, untill they started constant terrorist attacks against israel from the mid nineties, forcing israel to take action by building walls and enforcing check points and blockades.
It's not brave to be pro palestinian in the current climate, i could walk around with a palestinian flag all day without any issue. Its actually braver to call out Hamas as terrorists. If I went around with a "hamas are terrorists" sign I would probably be physically assaulted by a palestinian activist.
Fiona Bruce and the Conservative guy repeat whatever Israel says, which is what we are supposed to think. No alternate facts, like the use of the Hanibal directive, can be allowed.
Konstantin Kisin failing to appreciate why a terrorist organisation like Hamas chose to launch an attack in the first place. It was in response to 70 years of oppression of Palestinians. Israel isn’t innocent in this conflict. Hamas didn’t do what they did out of the blue.
Would you categorize as essentially the same: 1. Defending yourself against an enemy soldier invading your territory 2. Attacking an enemy civilian on your territory 3. Attacking an enemy soldier on their territory 4. Attacking an enemy civilian on their territory
Operation Breaking Dawn was in 2022 and hundreds of lives were taken in 2023 in Gaza alone. On Oct 7 2023 5.2k Palestinians were in prison, 3.5k without charge.
The question isn't what should Israel have done after October 7th, it's what should Israel have done on October 6th? Answer: abide by all Security Council resolutions that it's in violation since 1948, and recognize an independent Palestinian State with East Jerusalem as it's Capital, as per UN resolutions and international law. It's that simple.
Are you mentally challenged? Why on earth would Israel give them East-Jerusalem??? It's because of such ridiculous demands that this conflict just keeps on going. The PA needs to be reasonable about the territory they want for their state.
@@BamBamGT1 yes, I must be "mentally challenged" to want international law to be followed and implemented. But what do I know, I'm mentally challenged.
@@mysticpharaoh2982 Because it's jibbrish. The ICJ is a troll court which lost all crediblity 20 years ago when they made up the propaganda term 'Occupied Palestinian territory" , They have as much reliability as Fox News or Russia Today. Their nonsense together with the UN trolls is only making this conflict harder to solve. There's no reason for Israel to give East-jerusalem to the PA. No matter how hard the UN and the ICJ try to rewrite history, it just doesn't work
When Kisin says that you can't negotiate with such people, he's just revealing his own intransigence. "You can't negotiate with terrorists" = "we won't negotiate with terrorists" It's not a pragmatic position, it's not even a rational one. It's driven only by beliefs, emotions & prejudices.
State acts of terrorism are occurring daily. Double tapping hospitals and schools. Flattening villages because they _may_ harbour military age males in transit.
Did they forget to ask Ash if she 'condemned Hamas'? I always imagine what would have happened if, after an IRA bomb in the UK, the UK had just started dropping bombs on Northern Ireland... It's just insanity.
@AnthonyJones-o1p dude, I'm being sarcastic because it's literally the only play in the genocide denier playbook. If you mention that IDF snipe kids in the head? They say 'do you condemn Hamas. You say Israel is bombing hospitals? They say 'do you condemn Hamas'...
_'I always imagine what would have happened if, after an IRA bomb in the UK, the UK had just started dropping bombs on Northern Ireland.'_ The US would probably have pulled the plug on the UK.
@@ExpatZ266 Civilians are dying in Gaza due to the fact that Hamas is using them as shields while in Israel, those bloody terrorists just butchered 1200 israelis, that is what you called genocide, going houses to houses and killing civilians. Civilians in Gaza were given warnings dropped by Israel’s planes urging them to move out of harm’s way. All of this is happening because Hamas is reckless and stupid to start this war.
@@Sundancer09 why would you give up any of your country to a foreign occupier . . I will never recognise n.ireland as a country , so why should the Palestinians recognise Israel .
@@whittenoval what would you do if north Ireland broke away from UK and could join Ireland? How would you handle the same people living there , protestants and atheists now having a say in your country? Would you accept some changes? I'm asking this seriously, no irony.
Ami Ayalon had something to say about your comment. Ex Shin Bet chief and an Admiral in the Israeli navy when asked some weeks ago what he would do if he were Palestinian replied he would fight for his freedom. When asked how dirty he would fight he raised an eyebrow, grimaced slightly, looked hard at the camera and said he would do whatever he thought necessary for his freedom.
@@sonnyluka2637 He doesn't have to. Maybe eye contact is always difficult for him, but I have seen a lot of the interviews he does on Triggernometry and this is the most uncomfortable I've ever seen him. Maybe the large audience intimidated him, or maybe he didn't fully believe what he was saying is true. Ash's body language exhibited confidence and sincerity. She might be wrong, but at least she believes she is right.
“Israel is a reactionary and racist colonial power which relies on brute military force to impose its apartheid regime upon the Palestinians. The ultimate aim of its policies is to deny the Palestinians any independent existence in Palestine. Israel is the main obstacle to peace.” Avi Shlaim
@@timvella1817 Avi Shlaim is a Fellow of St Antonys College and a Professor of International Relations at the University of Oxford. What are your credentials????
I'm soooooooo sick of ppl saying, hamas said that they would repeat those attacks again and again. but none of those f.... b... ever thinks about why the said that. of course hamas would repeat such attacks if nothing changes and the palestinian ppl are kept under occupation. stop the f.... occupation and the attacks will stop, too. it's this simple. but nobody ever comes to that conclusion somehow. they throw this statement out there with no context whatsoever. I'm so furious about this whole gaza thing. I really can't keep my cool.
So ridiculous and it looks like we as citizens (subjects), agree with our govt’s stance. Maybe this is the kind of issue that requires a quick referendum.. use our tax-take to help bomb or not.
Constantin thinks the Palestinians should have accepted the UN partition in the 1940s. Let’s examine this. If the immigrants arriving on boats to the UK arrived in such numbers as to establish a ratio of about 1 out of 4 or one out of 3 people in the UK, and then demanded 52% of British land to establish their own state, and some of them formed terrorist ground to further this goal of their own state, would he say the British should accept ? Obviously not. This was the situation presented to the Palestinians.
The UN partition is partly responsible for a lot of the conflict and everything that has happened since. Palestine doesn’t have access from Gaza to the West Bank it’s a weird border
I fail to view what Hamas did on October 7th as "horrific". What's "horrific" is Israel. Hamas went after military targets, not civilians, contrary to what Israel does. If anyone had a right to defend themselves, it was and remains the Palestinians against the horror that is Israel.
For people like Konstantin, history only started on Oct 7th... Somebody give him a history lesson so he doesn't look so foolish defending an apartheid state.
Tell me about the 6 day war? You are delusional to think your more educated on the subject. You don't even even know islam. To know islam itself is to know the problem.
Netanyahu has said several times that even if the Israeli hostages are released, he will continue to destroy Gaza and intends to occupy it. That's why Hamas agreed to the US ceasefire deal in June.
Exactly. His spokesman on Piers the other night was saying their next target was Iran. The rescuing of the hostages wasn't even part of the conversation.
Kissin also makes me sick. He doesn’t understand, or refuses to acknowledge, the disparity between an occupied country and the occupier. That is a terrorist attack that has been allowed to continue since 1948.
We will never solve this issue if we don't talk about the elephant in the room, Israel is a US colony in the region. The USA uses Israel to have influence in the region, that's it. Of course, Israel knows it, and plays its part. They influence local politics in the USA to have leverage, but in the end, Israel will do what the USA mandates.
@@pjmlfc05 what justifies 75 years of occupation and Apartheid? Stealing land and property through terrorism like irgun and other groups? Ethnic cleansing and massacres? Look up 2023 statistics before October. Worst year since 2001
Before 7.10. 2023 was deadliest year for Palestinians before October 7? At least 507 Palestinians were killed in the West Bank in 2023, including at least 81 children, making it the deadliest year for Palestinians since the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) began recording casualties in 2005. Palestine has the Right to Defend Itself.. 🇵🇸🇵🇸
I think if you count indirect deaths it's a quarter million. There's probably an equal number with life altering injuries. And probably twice as many with lighter wounds. 😢
This sort of discussion clearly shows Exactly how far many in Britain have moved on from the comfy old mindset of colonialism & racial bias. We may as well be in the 19th century, such is our unconscious arrogance, illiberality and callousness towards non-white people. Whatever happened to 100+ years of struggle for a juster world? Bravo Ash, keep slicing through it all...
Hearing a non Middle Eastern Jew claim that Jews and Arabs and Christian’s lived peacefully together is about as interesting as hearing a white guy from Mississippi say that people of color and white people lived peacefully together in 1960
"Look what you made me do". Every abuser ever.
Powerful comment
My sister
Is that not the entire pro-Palestinian argument?
@@maharencall3219 Argument over what? What was theirs?
@@alexentropic6597 This is also classic of pro-Palestinian arguments, very rarely are their statements followed by '...because'
The most dangerous thing is an oppressor that pretends to be a victim. 😢
Oh yeah psychos do that: "I only killed bcoz I had a bad childhood bla blan its my parents fault"
The most dangerous was when the west complacent with the genocider!! Was this because they want a piece of the so call greater lsrahell dream of??
Israeled (verb) = taking something that isn't yours, and then shamelessly pretending it belongs to you while playing the victim.
Which side of the conflict are you referring to.
Like Islam does, true.
I saw the tail end of this, and Damien Green and Douglas Alexander's responses angered me so much that I had a sleepless night. According to them, it's acceptable to oppress and ethnically cleanse the Arab population of Palestine, but not to resist that oppression and ethnic cleansing. Its sickening that they deflect the blame away from the illegal occupiers in such an offhand manner.
well the UK has a long history of similar things so it's not that surprising.
@@neonwired4978how powerless are we?
To be fair they can't bite the hand that feeds them can they !
And when Adams insinuated that Israel “Shares our moral values”.
Moral values that he therefore thinks that Palestinians are incapable of sharing.
Despicable.
White privilege. Can you imagine the furore if a non white person made a statement like that? They would have been arrested and charged for the use of language as a hate crime.
How can a country which stole other peoples land and then continues to inflict oppression and acts of terrorism against the indigenous population then turn around and claim to be having the right to defend itself from its own crimes which caused the victims to commit a act in self-defence..
Unbelievable
"stole"?? "terrorism"?? "indigenous"?? Aren't you confusing these terms??
You obviously have np knowledge of History. israel has been the Jews home for centuries. The Bible supports that and so smdoea yoir quran.
@@resoulcoupleshub4464 When you abandon the home you initially stole for 2,000 years you loose claim to that home.
@@resoulcoupleshub4464 History has to be treated selectively in order to suite some people. Moslems never displace anyone, just drive through any British city.
@@resoulcoupleshub4464this is incorrect - we as Jews are not allowed this land!! Please don’t talk about the Torah or our religion when you have no knowledge or learning!!
The question shouldn't have been "What should Israel have done on October 7th," but, rather, what Israel should NOT have done pre October 7th. Israelis are laughing now, but the last laugh won't be theirs; that's a mathematical certainty. The world has woken up and is seeing the true colors of the state of Israel. Long live Palestine.
Shift the NARRATIVE to the SURGEON not the SCALPEL. Shift the NARRATIVE to the HAND THAT WEILDS THE SWORD not the SWORD. This entire cockiness of seven million ISRAELIS is fundamentally due to blanket IMMUNITY granted by a corrupt US CONGRESS. Now that the US is a net exporter of oil products, ISRAEL is a DISPENSABLE ENTITY. Very much like the UKRAINIANS. They are both CANNON FODDER to a declining EMPIRE unwilling to put boots on the ground. PROXY WARS in UKRAINE and ISRAEL is not a panacea to avoid the return of BODY BAGS of your SONS and DAUGHTERS. Let's take up this discussion to a new REALISTIC PERSPECTIVE. There's an ETHNIC CLEANSING going on in GAZA, WEST BANK and LEBANON of PALESTINIANS by a career politician fighting for survival - BENJAMIN NETANYAHU.
It's only taken 75 years.
Amen to that
Palestine does not exist, the area was administered by Egypt until 1967- they are not pressing for its return, why do you think that is?
You do realize that Palestine includes Arabs, Jews and all that call that place their homeland.
Deep respect to Ash! Our politics do not quite match but seeing Ash on Question Time and speaking up for the truth, is massive! Good on you Ash for standing up for what is right!
So what is right akky? The world waits with baited breath.😊
More journalists have lost their lives in Gaza than in any other conflict. A crime against humanity.
Hahaha, their fault, why go there?
@@BanjoSick To trying cover the genocide Israel is engaging in. That's why Israel won't allow independent, international journalist crews into the region, UNLESS accompanied by IDF spokespeople. Can't hide the genocide or control the narrative otherwise.
Thankfully, most of us are smart enough to see what's going on, since it's undeniable that this is a genocide. But you keep banging on. Personally though, I'd be embarrassed if I were as clueless as you on the situation in Israel. I bet you think this all started on the 7th October 2023 haha, and not back in 1948, some 39 years before Hamas even came to be, when Israel commenced it's genocide on Palestinians.
@@BanjoSickbecuae they live and work there so they are doing their job unlike our western media.
Journalists were deliberately targated, Israel did not want any observers, just ike they want the UN peacekeepers to leave Lebannon
@@BanjoSickwhy go there - i think you miss the purpose of journalism and of democracy, completely.
Thank you, Michael Walker, Aaron Bastani and the beautiful speaking lady, for speaking truth into my life.
She's married!😊 And Michael already has a boyfriend.😊
@@chatham43 ??
How should Palestinians react to 76 years of brutal apartheid occupation?
yet nobody talks Hindus and Sikhs returning home to Northern India which is now Pakistan, it's only Israel that has to comply....
@@anthonymullen6300the subject here is Israrl and Palestine ,not India and Pakistan.
@@anthonymullen6300you just did
Injustice? Resistance becomes a DUTY!
Negotiate peace? Give back the hostages? Just an idea.
Bravo to Ash and Novarro Media on their stand for justice for the oppressed! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽❤❤❤
This is what bullies/villians do time and time.They terrorize their victims and demand to do so in secrecy. Once exposed, bullies spin a crafted narrative that leaves chunks of information off. Making themselves into the victims
Youre familiar with being a bully. Thanks for the insight!
well said
@@chatham43 I’m glad u aren’t in my position , keep quiet
I (foolishly) went on a kibbutz in 1987. Never met so many people seething with exceptionalism and hatred in my life. The only surprise is that it they taunted the underdog for this long before they met with retaliation.
Thank you for sharing your experience
I wouldn't go because they seemed "culty" - seems like my gut feeling was correct
did you notice any particular unusual smell in the kibbutz?
That never happened
@@SheffieldSteve791 I went too early 80s. Same experience.
*Why it's always about israHELLi hostages, but not Palestinian hostages?*
How do you get the text to be bold like that bruh?
Israel doesn't take hostages
Israel never wanted the hostages back. Why do you think they sacrificed festival goers? They knew this was coming and put the festival on the front line
@@greenthumbstrummer Israel has been holding the entirety of Gaza and the West bank Hostage for years.
@@greenthumbstrummer IsNotReal has over 13 THOUSAND Palestinian hostages currently in military detention.
In total, IsNotReal has MILLIONS of Palestinian hostages in Gaze & the Occupied West Bank & Lebanon that they occasionally "mow the grass" on.
If you care about some human rights, but not all human rights, you don't actually care about human rights.
That part.
The military is actually the main aspect. If you cant protect and enforce these things then its not worth anything.
Quran is very anti human rights.
"Has Israel gone beyond defending itself?"
HOW IS THIS STILL UP FOR DEBATE? I JUST CAN'T. 😤😤😤😤
Nah the destruction of Gaza is Hamas fault beacause of their human shield use.
@@fergi_sukajamazing truth you state.
@@fergi_sukaj I don't even think you truly believe that. And oh yes, Israel does what it accuses others of doing.
Every. Single. Time.
Yes, and the right of an occupying force to defend itself against the people living under its occupation is highly questionable to start with. It is not at all the same as the right of a country to defend itself from attacks by a neighbouring country under normal circumstances.
@@erikzoe1 This is logic, but it seems to escape people. Thank you for saying this.
This once again confirms it, and the quote has to be updated:
To quote Michael Brooks: "It’s not a complex issue. That’s the big thing. It’s super simple. There’s one group that has enormous power. It’s the most powerful country in the Middle East. It’s backed by the United States. It acts on MULTIPLE other populations of people with total impunity and it’s never held accountable for anything."
R.I.P.
Those smaller neighbours have tried to destroy that big nation, but they faced the consequences.
@@fergi_sukaj *Lies*
@@fergi_sukaj Hasbara troll. 🥱 Israel wasn't a problem before the 1940s.
@@Sundancer09
Arabs were still attacking Jews even before the 1940s.
Shift the NARRATIVE to the SURGEON not the SCALPEL. Shift the NARRATIVE to the HAND THAT WEILDS THE SWORD not the SWORD. This entire cockiness of seven million ISRAELIS is fundamentally due to blanket IMMUNITY granted by a corrupt US CONGRESS. Now that the US is a net exporter of oil products, ISRAEL is a DISPENSABLE ENTITY. Very much like the UKRAINIANS. They are both CANNON FODDER to a declining EMPIRE unwilling to put boots on the ground. PROXY WARS in UKRAINE and ISRAEL is not a panacea to avoid the return of BODY BAGS of your SONS and DAUGHTERS. Let's take up this discussion to a new REALISTIC PERSPECTIVE. There's an ETHNIC CLEANSING going on in GAZA, WEST BANK and LEBANON of PALESTINIANS by a career politician fighting for survival - BENJAMIN NETANYAHU.
So happy I found your channel. Excellent content. Sending support from Georgia, USA
Light in the dark isn’t it
So you are a traitor.
@@timvella1817 no
@@timvella1817???
@@timvella1817 Indeed Tim, you've found the traitor. Good work. Thank god you were here to spy on this channel and sus her out. I'll begin filing the charges ASAP.
Brilliant stuff Aaron. And well done Ash. Thank you, Michael.
Israel's impunity has already started causing diplomatic fallout as our hypocrisy has been laid bare for an entire year. The spat between India and Canada over targeted assassinations being a great example of this.
The diplomatic fallout has only just begun. In funding and arming this genocide, the Biden administration has given the US a stain that will never wash away. No longer can the US credibly argue in favor of intervention on behalf of human rights, having now participated in such a shameful disgrace, the crime of all crimes. The so-called 'shining city on a hill' died on a gurney in the blasted ruins of al-Shifa Hospital. I've never felt so ashamed of anything in my entire life than to call myself an American right now.
I love Ash Sarkar! She's the sharpest one out there! Thank you Novara media
I totally agree. She's the real deal.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Please marry her and move to Tristan de Cuna
She is "literally a communist" 😂
and....she is a honey.
Well said Ash ❤️ No excuses left for these criminals and the complicity of Uk should have been stopped already
Not just stopped. The leaders in the UK ,USA ,Australia, Canada etc need to to be charged and punished for their crimes.
You obviously have np knowledge of History. israel has been the Jews home for centuries. The Bible supports that and so smdoea yoir quran.
I don't remember reading that the US negotiated with Japan in 1945. The war with Japan ended with thousands of women and children being killed in Hiroshima.
qv the blitz in London and Coventry, the bombing of Hamburg and Dresden, unfortunately innocent men, women and children die in wars.
@@Onthemove6801
. Even if those things happened doesn't mean they're normal , especially regarding the average of children and women K so far
. U're talking about a strip that it's smaller than a small city or neighborhood in Japan and yet they got bombed by the equivalent of 3 nuclear bombs already
. Through a year , destroying every aspect of civilian life and starvation have been the major weapon of this on going horror.. That's normal too ?
@@amjoker9837
No, that's war.
The Conservative, Labour, Lib-Dem & Independent Friends of Israel should be handed over to the ICC for trial, for their complicity in The Palestinian Holocaust.
Fiona should stick to roadside show
Or just stick to the US and stop burning fuel to get there and back.
It's about ethnic cleansing and land grabs.
Lol, lies. Israel left gaza in 2005.
@@ndjibukabengele973 But somehow controls water, electricity/power and whatever comes in and out. But it left? 💀
And to steal natural oil and gas ...
@@zakariahassan7291
How about Gazans getting their smart minds together to get their own electricity, water etc.? Instead they allowed Hamas to spend billions building tunnels instead of providing their citizens with basic needs like water, electricity, roads , housing and food. Is gaza not next to a sea?
So true they should have built more houses in the sea.
What should Israel have done on October 8th? The same thing they should have done on October 6th and every day prior going back to the Nakba. Give Palestinians equal rights in the state of Israel or give them a separate state. What is so difficult regarding this question?
Yes, the process of peace would not be easy, but it never is. That is the hard choice that Israel is unwilling to take.
Palestine been offered their own state 4 tines and turned it down. Grow a brain and read some books.
@@timvella1817 🙌
@@timvella1817take your own advice and read from sources that are not hasbara everyone knows israel were never interested in any peace agreements they were a sham they continued killing Arabs and stealing their land ,that's been their only policy....
@@misshope795 They don't own the land, neither collectively nor individually. Collectively the sovereign powers (in modern times) were the Ottomans and then the British, while only some 30% of the land was in private hands. So, this claim is false.
@@timvella1817 Why should they accept a "Partial" state in a land that was stolen from them in the first place?
"Grow a brain and read some books"!
If that is too difficult for you, just listen properly to the clip again!
As intimated, should Ukraine accept the present situation in the Donetsk etc because a "Stronger power" stole it?
Can you actually get your head around the analogy? Probably not!
Was the Warsaw Uprising ever considered illegal, were the Germans defending themselves?
Which Warsaw uprising?
That of the Jews in the Ghetto or that of the Poles?
@@EmsThaBreaks441either one works, as both were reactions against an invading genocidal power.
@@stephena1196 Better than the reply I thought of
I see, which country is it exactly that’s being occupied?
Do some actual research and figure out what Uti Possidetis Iure means
@@nonenone-vt8cgWalter Model was a bit further away from being a war criminal for successfully defeating the 1944 uprising on the retreat.
Compare that with the earlier uprising - less than one hundred armed Jews versus 2000 Waffen SS. This was on another level compared to such actions as Rorke's drift.
In the current Gaza war, Hamas are better armed, with the latest Kornet models, drones, night vision goggles and at the beginning, more than 100 Tactical Ballistic Missiles, amongst other goodies.
Hamas were militarily more in the position of the Polish Home Army. This ain't the 1943 uprising in the Ghetto or the later Treblinka uprising - or even Masada.
But it is not like the typical Novara viewer to think that there were Jews in Israel before 1947.
Biden: "Israel has the right to defend itself."
DOES LEBANON? DOES IRAN? DOES THE WEST BANK??
SICK OF THE HYPOCRISY AND DOUBLESPEAK! 😤😤😤😤
Add Syria
@@thegreatshamalamadingdong9788
If they attack Israel, that would be starting a conflict not self defense.
@@fergi_sukaj. What was Israel doing to the Palestinians before October 7th, 2023?
@@sphsmith3400
Defended itself from the many wars Palestinians and their Arab neighbours started.
@fergi_sukaj An aparthied state that has been attacking and ethnicially cleansing for decades does not have the right or the audacity.
Kisin is done. He considers the starvation of millions and the murder of 16,000 children is justified? Good grief, man!
I personally loathe him
He’s a plant on the payroll.
he, ther. i was wondering if you have any comment on the hunres of thousans of Syrian incluing two hunre thousand chilren in th Syrian war . or the fact more people have been kille in Suan in the last 12 months than anywhere.
i'll wait.
His subscribers love him , they're so gross 😝!
He's just a slightly better educated Dave Rubin.
" Israel's actions before & since 10/7 show you why 10/7 happened. " Caitlin Johnstone
EXACTLY 💯 %
What is your point?
See ‘ Truth in Media ‘.
re. “ the reckoning …. “
So that justifies what happened on 7th October?? 🙄
Just the same.
The thing many people are overlooking is that both the USA and Israel were partially responsible for what happened on October 7th. For decades the Palestinian have been complaining to the UN and other World justice organizations about the abuses they were experiencing in their lands from Israel, but America through vetoes and other intimidation methods have blocked the UN and other organization from taking action. The Palestinians were left with almost no peaceful means to resist what was being done to them
You mean that they could do their own thing, untill they started constant terrorist attacks against israel from the mid nineties, forcing israel to take action by building walls and enforcing check points and blockades.
WESTMINSTER GAVE PALESTINE TO IN A FIT OF BENEVALENCE! IT WAS NOT ENGLAND,S TO GIVE. B UT FOR WESTMINSTER PRACTICED IN THIS PROCEEDURE IT WAS NORMAL!!
Well done Ash Sharkar, brave and brilliant woman. 🇵🇸
she hates this country if shes so bothered about her hamas friends why doesnt she go over there
shes a self confessed champagne communist and not in an ironic or satirical way
It's not brave to be pro palestinian in the current climate, i could walk around with a palestinian flag all day without any issue. Its actually braver to call out Hamas as terrorists. If I went around with a "hamas are terrorists" sign I would probably be physically assaulted by a palestinian activist.
Fiona Bruce and the Conservative guy repeat whatever Israel says, which is what we are supposed to think. No alternate facts, like the use of the Hanibal directive, can be allowed.
"I wish my daddy owned the bank." (The Mask)
Ash is a star as always!! Great work!
Will be questioned Pinacmovement
Great job Novara, please educate those ignorant people please.
You are the ignorant watching this. Start off learning about Islam and it's aims.
True. There is not a shred of evidence that a Palestinian state would be some bastion of Jeffersonian democracy. Quite the opposite in fact.
*It has never been about self-defense.*
You need to read some books.
Konstantin Kisin failing to appreciate why a terrorist organisation like Hamas chose to launch an attack in the first place. It was in response to 70 years of oppression of Palestinians. Israel isn’t innocent in this conflict. Hamas didn’t do what they did out of the blue.
🤲 🇵🇸 Alhamdulilah 🇵🇸 🤲
Would you categorize as essentially the same: 1. Defending yourself against an enemy soldier invading your territory 2. Attacking an enemy civilian on your territory 3. Attacking an enemy soldier on their territory 4. Attacking an enemy civilian on their territory
Actually they did cause 200-300 Palestinian women and children were kidnapped by idf & tortured in jail
Operation Breaking Dawn was in 2022 and hundreds of lives were taken in 2023 in Gaza alone. On Oct 7 2023 5.2k Palestinians were in prison, 3.5k without charge.
The only Errorist Organization in the Region is the Diaper Forces.
The question isn't what should Israel have done after October 7th, it's what should Israel have done on October 6th? Answer: abide by all Security Council resolutions that it's in violation since 1948, and recognize an independent Palestinian State with East Jerusalem as it's Capital, as per UN resolutions and international law. It's that simple.
😂😂😂and you think hamas would stop the brutality after that😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Are you mentally challenged? Why on earth would Israel give them East-Jerusalem??? It's because of such ridiculous demands that this conflict just keeps on going. The PA needs to be reasonable about the territory they want for their state.
@@BamBamGT1 yes, I must be "mentally challenged" to want international law to be followed and implemented. But what do I know, I'm mentally challenged.
@@mysticpharaoh2982 Because it's jibbrish. The ICJ is a troll court which lost all crediblity 20 years ago when they made up the propaganda term 'Occupied Palestinian territory" , They have as much reliability as Fox News or Russia Today. Their nonsense together with the UN trolls is only making this conflict harder to solve. There's no reason for Israel to give East-jerusalem to the PA. No matter how hard the UN and the ICJ try to rewrite history, it just doesn't work
When Kisin says that you can't negotiate with such people, he's just revealing his own intransigence.
"You can't negotiate with terrorists" = "we won't negotiate with terrorists"
It's not a pragmatic position, it's not even a rational one. It's driven only by beliefs, emotions & prejudices.
you also can't negotiate with a country that's broken every agreement it's ever made. Nothing the they say means anything.
If IDF pulls out of Gaza without fully defeating Hamas, Hamas will strike again just like Oct 7.
Kisin is trying so hard to be a Clarkson. There’s money in it. He can’t change his views …
We always end up negotiating with terrorists, even if it's behind the scenes.
State acts of terrorism are occurring daily. Double tapping hospitals and schools. Flattening villages because they _may_ harbour military age males in transit.
Did they forget to ask Ash if she 'condemned Hamas'?
I always imagine what would have happened if, after an IRA bomb in the UK, the UK had just started dropping bombs on Northern Ireland... It's just insanity.
She actually did and called their actions on 6th October as 'a horrendous act'.
@AnthonyJones-o1p dude, I'm being sarcastic because it's literally the only play in the genocide denier playbook. If you mention that IDF snipe kids in the head? They say 'do you condemn Hamas. You say Israel is bombing hospitals? They say 'do you condemn Hamas'...
_'I always imagine what would have happened if, after an IRA bomb in the UK, the UK had just started dropping bombs on Northern Ireland.'_
The US would probably have pulled the plug on the UK.
@@SirAntoniousBlock would they? MIC profits would be nice 😅
Always great to see Ash on TV, an honest decent person giving an honest decent opinion.
Her articulacy forces people to listen to what she has to say. She's very important to the world of decent journalism.
Phahahaha
Brilliant from Ash.
Yeah biased. She’s just spewing what she has been inculcated.
@@ndjibukabengele973 No, that would be you.
@@ndjibukabengele973 nice syntax!
@@ExpatZ266
Civilians are dying in Gaza due to the fact that Hamas is using them as shields while in Israel, those bloody terrorists just butchered 1200 israelis, that is what you called genocide, going houses to houses and killing civilians. Civilians in Gaza were given warnings dropped by Israel’s planes urging them to move out of harm’s way. All of this is happening because Hamas is reckless and stupid to start this war.
@@ExpatZ266 No I think its you!
I also don’t buy that any action against Israel is a provocation while any action by Israel is a retaliation!
Israel is occupied Palestine . A two state will never happen and I can't blame the Palestinians for opposing it.
Palestinians don’t oppose two states without any conditions imposed on them by any other country.
@@Sundancer09 why would you give up any of your country to a foreign occupier . . I will never recognise n.ireland as a country , so why should the Palestinians recognise Israel .
@@whittenovalsame i don't recognise ni
@@whittenoval what would you do if north Ireland broke away from UK and could join Ireland? How would you handle the same people living there , protestants and atheists now having a say in your country? Would you accept some changes?
I'm asking this seriously, no irony.
Nothing justified October 7th yet October 7th justifies everything.
😓
Ami Ayalon had something to say about your comment.
Ex Shin Bet chief and an Admiral in the Israeli navy when asked some weeks ago what he would do if he were Palestinian replied he would fight for his freedom.
When asked how dirty he would fight he raised an eyebrow, grimaced slightly, looked hard at the camera and said he would do whatever he thought necessary for his freedom.
@@MarcusCorbett Oh he even grimaced, got to be some serious stuff.
Umm the hostages? Dum dum
@@mathewp3416 oh get real.
@@MarcusCorbett No
Thank you Ash,
Great to see that someone talking sense was on Question Time, might open a few people's eyes
Keep up the good work Novara
"I don't respect that anymore, I really don't. I don't respect the crocodile tears."
Norman Finklestein
Wow great stuff Ash,Aaron,Michael.
Bravo Ash!
Well done Aaron, what you said is exactly my thoughts too.
Great points Aaron!
Why didn't Konstantin make eye contact with Ash as he argued against her? Was he embarrassed about the words coming out of him?
Why should should he look at her.
@@sonnyluka2637 He doesn't have to. Maybe eye contact is always difficult for him, but I have seen a lot of the interviews he does on Triggernometry and this is the most uncomfortable I've ever seen him. Maybe the large audience intimidated him, or maybe he didn't fully believe what he was saying is true. Ash's body language exhibited confidence and sincerity. She might be wrong, but at least she believes she is right.
No he wasn't.
@@chessheadhe knows he's lying.
Thanks
What hostilities!? Israel have been a nightmare before and since its conception.
Ash is superb in situations like that. She's so articulate and so direct. She's a shining light of journalism.
“Israel is a reactionary and racist colonial power which relies on brute military force to impose its apartheid regime upon the Palestinians. The ultimate aim of its policies is to deny the Palestinians any independent existence in Palestine. Israel is the main obstacle to peace.”
Avi Shlaim
False statement. Do some research.
@@timvella1817 Avi Shlaim is a Fellow of St Antonys College and a Professor of International Relations at the University of Oxford. What are your credentials????
@@tobiashardy1620 hasbara bot 2.0 😊
@@komninosm which part do you take issue with? Unless you were just declaring your identity…
@@tobiashardy1620 What are his credentials? Being an idiot, going by some of his missives!
I'm soooooooo sick of ppl saying, hamas said that they would repeat those attacks again and again. but none of those f.... b... ever thinks about why the said that. of course hamas would repeat such attacks if nothing changes and the palestinian ppl are kept under occupation. stop the f.... occupation and the attacks will stop, too. it's this simple. but nobody ever comes to that conclusion somehow. they throw this statement out there with no context whatsoever. I'm so furious about this whole gaza thing. I really can't keep my cool.
So ridiculous and it looks like we as citizens (subjects), agree with our govt’s stance. Maybe this is the kind of issue that requires a quick referendum.. use our tax-take to help bomb or not.
Gaza is not occupied... so u say if someone say he will kill over and over again but we know people bullied him then we wont arrest him? 😂😂 ok
@@Sundancer09 omg learn to read dont worry israel wont give land 2 palestinians any time soon
As soon as the extent of the onslaught became apparent (within a week), it was obvious to anyone with eyes that it was a land grab.
they've been doing it for 70 years so it's so past being apparent it's incredibly that people are still obliviously to it.
Israel has lost land and not gained it. Read some books.
No Muslims have been killing Jews since mohammed beheaded 600 in one day taking over their land in Medina. Read some books
Constantin thinks the Palestinians should have accepted the UN partition in the 1940s.
Let’s examine this. If the immigrants arriving on boats to the UK arrived in such numbers as to establish a ratio of about 1 out of 4 or one out of 3 people in the UK, and then demanded 52% of British land to establish their own state, and some of them formed terrorist ground to further this goal of their own state, would he say the British should accept ?
Obviously not. This was the situation presented to the Palestinians.
Spain gave up gibraltar Argentina the Falkland islands
@@brentwood1334 They gave up stolen land? Brilliant.
Did the Spanish give up Spain to immigrants?
Yes, with the help of the British.
The UN partition is partly responsible for a lot of the conflict and everything that has happened since. Palestine doesn’t have access from Gaza to the West Bank it’s a weird border
Well said
No mention of the IDF Hannibal directive...
Absolutely right. Ash is right and it had to be said. Thank you.
Why haven't we seen politicians with a back bone like Ash speak up?
Because they are not a stupid expansions Muslim like Ash.
@@timvella1817 I think when it comes to "expansions" actions one only has to look at Israel! 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Journalists are being raided. Be careful guys.
Engagement for the corporate algorithm.
I fail to view what Hamas did on October 7th as "horrific". What's "horrific" is Israel. Hamas went after military targets, not civilians, contrary to what Israel does. If anyone had a right to defend themselves, it was and remains the Palestinians against the horror that is Israel.
You seem seriously deluded.
@@johnmb160Challenge some part of what they said.
Israeli strike: 1:45. Oct 7: 1:2 (not counting Hannibal…).
I love this woman. Absolute legend.
I’m here still
I wish Parliament listened to her, she is so well informed! Well done Ash ❤
For people like Konstantin, history only started on Oct 7th... Somebody give him a history lesson so he doesn't look so foolish defending an apartheid state.
Tell me about the 6 day war? You are delusional to think your more educated on the subject. You don't even even know islam. To know islam itself is to know the problem.
Netanyahu has said several times that even if the Israeli hostages are released, he will continue to destroy Gaza and intends to occupy it. That's why Hamas agreed to the US ceasefire deal in June.
Exactly. His spokesman on Piers the other night was saying their next target was Iran. The rescuing of the hostages wasn't even part of the conversation.
Well said Ash Sarker. ❤❤❤❤
"Give us the hostages back" ok "give us our fckn land back first"
And the thousands of Palestinian hostages!
Thank you ash and novara for this important work.
Kissin also makes me sick. He doesn’t understand, or refuses to acknowledge, the disparity between an occupied country and the occupier. That is a terrorist attack that has been allowed to continue since 1948.
A lot of settlers in Europe seem to think they can impose their colonial views in the middle East.
It is starving a nation and war crimes
It has always been a war of expansion.
Totally agree with Ash!
Thank-you.
We will never solve this issue if we don't talk about the elephant in the room, Israel is a US colony in the region.
The USA uses Israel to have influence in the region, that's it. Of course, Israel knows it, and plays its part. They influence local politics in the USA to have leverage, but in the end, Israel will do what the USA mandates.
"Israel will do what the USA mandates."
I think it's the other way round.
She 100%
😂😂😂 no she isnt
100% wrong
@@os-cr1wf you failed history class
Thank you for this, Novara.
Well done 100% Ash 👍
I've always been more right wing than left wing but I support Palestine as it's the moral decision to take.
Konstantin should go n fight for Ukraine as there is a shortage of men fighting in Ukraine.
So should zelensky
Why?
Oct 7th was never the start of this issue.
Doesn't make it acceptable though.
@@pjmlfc05 rebellions and resistance often have violent pages. What matters is if the cause is just and what oppression necessitated the rebellion.
@@komninosm still doesn't justify October 7th.
@@pjmlfc05 what justifies 75 years of occupation and Apartheid?
Stealing land and property through terrorism like irgun and other groups? Ethnic cleansing and massacres?
Look up 2023 statistics before October. Worst year since 2001
Does anyone really believe that any country being occupied for decades, would not fight back?
Ash 🙏💪❤️🇵🇸superb journalism Thank you!
Excellent video. Thank you 🙏
Before 7.10. 2023 was deadliest year for Palestinians before October 7?
At least 507 Palestinians were killed in the West Bank in 2023, including at least 81 children, making it the deadliest year for Palestinians since the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) began recording casualties in 2005.
Palestine has the Right to Defend Itself.. 🇵🇸🇵🇸
So many? Only in the West Bank? How many in Gaza? 🎉
Free Palestine 🇵🇸 Free the world 🌍
Give me a pack of each then bruh.
40k? It was 40k in December 2023. It's probably 200k now.
I think if you count indirect deaths it's a quarter million. There's probably an equal number with life altering injuries.
And probably twice as many with lighter wounds. 😢
"Institutionally stupid media". Thank you Aaron Bastani
Some people like this BBC host take a leave of their sense when it comes to Israel.
No she's a ghoul 24/7
SINWAR - RESISTANCE FIGHTER❤
SINWAR - DECEASED RESISTANCE FIGHTER 😂💀😂
Question Time is typically biased. What else do we expect from the BBC ?
This sort of discussion clearly shows Exactly how far many in Britain have moved on from the comfy old mindset of colonialism & racial bias. We may as well be in the 19th century, such is our unconscious arrogance, illiberality and callousness towards non-white people. Whatever happened to 100+ years of struggle for a juster world? Bravo Ash, keep slicing through it all...
So much for “Israeli intelligence”!
They killed Sinwar and didn’t even know it
No wonder they failed on 7 October
They seem to have eradicated most of Hamas's leadership over the last year; unless I'm mistaken.
That's funny?
Hearing a non Middle Eastern Jew claim that Jews and Arabs and Christian’s lived peacefully together is about as interesting as hearing a white guy from Mississippi say that people of color and white people lived peacefully together in 1960
Well said Ash they needed telling.
Negotiating is what adults do.
Lashing out is an act of profound immaturity.
Well then is impossible as all palis are children.
@@waltermesser9737 🥱🥱🥱
The demonstrable facts don't care about your childish feelings.
Go project your various failings elsewhere
Ash Sarkar is 100% right.