You know the answer, everybody knows the answer I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Xiangling. I try to play Diluc. My Xiangling deals more damage. I try to play Yoimiya. My Xiangling deals more damage. I try to play Cyno. My Xiangling deals more damage. I don't even try to play Dehya. I want to play Klee. Her best team has Xiangling. I want to play Raiden, Childe - they both want Xiangling. She grabs me by the throat. I fish for her. I cook for her. I give her the Catch. She isn't satisfied. I pull Engulfing Lightning. "I don't need this much er" She tells me. "Give me more field time." She grabs Bennett and forces him to throw himself off enemies. "You just need to funnel me more. I can deal more damage with Homa." I can't pull for Homa, I don't have enough primogems. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs Gouba. She says "Gouba, get them." There is no hint of sadness in her eyes. Nothing but pure, no icd pyro application. What a cruel world.
I wanna see a Hoyo dev attempt this Abyss so either 1. I can see how they imagined doing it or 2. so they can experience how awful this attempt that a "challenge" was.
I really like that they make you use different teams than the usual meta ones with the weird combination of elements required, but i hate the enemy attack patterns, this would be much more fun if the abyss heralds didn't permafreeze/one shot you and the consecrated beasts didn't stunlock you and tossed you around for years
@@canaldecasta fr I can handle getting stunlocked but when I use my burst and this beast the size of an elephant starts spazzing around like a cat with zoomies it’s so annoying
I never heard your enemies complain about you when you're using Freeze teams, or you using characters that have interruption resistance. But hey, I supposed the enemy shouldn't use these mechanics against us, right?
once again, i feel like i say this every time a meta roundup is published, but the editing of the waves/placements and how to manipulate the enemies movement visually is sooo well done. lots of love to the editor(s).esp sam and or buggo, great job you do.
PSA reminder: beidou + xingqiu have ~70% damage reduction combined, as well as shields and heals. If you're struggling with second half, just throw these two with nahida/LaHaitham aand fischl or kuki and you should be bueno even if you have the situational awareness of a kebab
@@jcn716 Yeah, and with how much investment? At what skill level? That's not the team you generally recommend to casual players, which is the group that in an actual struggling. And like hell you bring that team to fight against thundering manifestation.
One thing you didn't mention is that Nilou Bloom can clear the second half reasonably fast if driven by Kaveh thanks to the most forgotten reaction: Shatter, that removes 4U of Cryo, which is as much as a Bennett skill. That also lets you run Nahida on the second side.
For floor 2, I heavily advise if you got electro, fill the chicken rage meter then IMMEDIATELY run behind him, this’ll greatly reduce the chance of him using the move where he run around the field; for thunder manifestation, the key move of it is the sweeping (animation look like it boutta slap you), let this hit you with i-frame burst, basically let it “hit” your hit-box or else it gonna dash away pretty far!
i come to your videos to learn about the game cuz i love the way you explain it but then at some point while watching i zone out cuz i just like your voice and end up rewatching the video multiple times lmao
@@ShuOnMobile The issue with this abyss (and all of genshin tbh) isnt difficulty but bad design. This abyss is pretty much only clearable for players that have invested in the correct units. Not a big deal to long term players but to newer players its a huge F U. Abyss difficulty overall just amounts to an investment check that is slowly creeping up. If people complain something is too easy the solution isn't to forego all sensible design principles and increase difficulty through gimmicks.
This abyss was actually the first one where i had to use different teams on different floors. Cleared floor 2 and 3 pretty comfortably with Ayaka freeze and Hu Tao/Xingqui/Nahida/Zhongli. Struggled a lot in the first floor, but was able to clear with Nilou in the first half and Hu Tao/Xiangling/Bennett/Zhongli.
More difficult, more annoying, more restrictive, more painfull... i dont think they can go further beyond after this one, this is their definitive limit right???
@@FreneticPotato feel like a cryo beast could be dealt with easily with national. An enemy archetype that I am afraid of because of all the shields this abyss is a geo herald. Imo this would break our meta. A lot teams can afford nahida as a dendro flex and not lose that much DPS because nahida is an excellent unit, but I don't know how many teams can fit in a geo flex
Thanks for all the ideas and status on teams, last couple abysses have just gotten harder and harder so I've been trying to strike a mix between keeping my meta units up to snuff while also branching out and trying whackier dendro teams.
I finally gave in and leveled her and Bennet to 90 after one and a half year of them being 80, also had to take fav out of Bennet and give him Aquila Favonia
This Abyss especially I wouldn't be too religious about sticking to one team for all 3 chambers if someone is struggling. If I used Beidou I would make sure I 3* chamber 3 first and use her on A side, then adjust build and clear chamber 1 B side with her as well. That way of thinking is way more efficient if the goal is just getting 36 stars overall.
My battle chronicle is a mess this time. After finally 36* a few days ago I ended up with these teams: 12-1-1: Nahida-Nilou-Kokomi-Kirara 12-1-2: Benny-Xiangling-Kazuha-Ayaka (with freeze artifacts >.
your chamber 1 teams saved me some headache, ty Did it with 12-1-1: Nahida-Nilou-Kokomi-Alhaitham 12-1-2: Bennet-Xiangling-Kazuha-Ayaka 12-2-1: Kuki-Nahida-Yelan-Alhaitham 12-2-2: Ganyu-Zhongli +2x whatever for a helpful resonance or off field stuff 12-3-1: Ayaka-Shenhe-Kokomi-Kazuha 12-3-2: Bennet-Xiangling-Yelan-Nahida
It took me 50 tries but I finally got a battle chronicle that have the same team on 3 chambers 1st half: Raiden - Fischl - Kazuha - Yaoyao 2nd half: Xiangling - Xingqui - Nahida - Bennett As Zajeff mention, the first half can be replaced by Beidou - Fischl - Sucrose - Yaoyao, which I agree that works really great too.
I hope they add a Damage/Contribution Graph or something at the end of the fight to see who does what and how much (i.e how much dmg a characher does, how much healing, how much dmg reduction, and how much shielding).. Also because i want to see which enemy is one shotting my character..
Best advice I can give for this abyss is to completely ignore your room 1 time for your first clear as long as you can get through it, and focus on teams that excel at the other two. Then once you clear the full streak with 3 stars in the other rooms you can go back and just bring like Bennett/Xiangling/Sucrose/some other characters that apply a lot of element to shred 12-1-2 pretty easily, and any good enough AoE team for the first side, especially if it has some type of Quicken reaction to break the invisibility
My opinion is I like how this abyss is a mix of element check plus DPS check. As someone who has several five star weapons and constellations, the DPS check chambers are very easy, but the element check ones are still challenging because it's not about damage output and that's fun for me. I also loved all the weird dendro teams that people were able to get to work.
This was the first abyss in a long time that I've done the reset strat to use different teams for different chambers. It still bothers me that you can do this with the only restriction being that it's so cumbersome, abyss setups like this wouldn't bother me nearly as much if you could easily swap teams for each chamber.
Just coming back here to say that I actually beat the abyss today! Had to get Zhongli out to prevent my death, but I did it and I feel awesome about it
Good thing I didn't try this abyss until my internet was fixed. Going blind and with 500 ping would melt my brain and make me ragequit the game forever. Gonna watch this vid and see what I can do later.
This and Sunfire Burgeon just smack the second half. The fact I never thought of it until this Abyss hurts me especially when Raiden Sunfire is one of my favorite teams
I fucking loved this abyss. The initial challenge of findings teams that work in the first place through trial and error was extremely fun in my opinion. I ended up playing burgeon Klee in the second half, which I never expected to play, but worked extremely well due to Klee's fast solo pyro application. Now I can clear the abyss with any Nilou team on the first half and Zhongli/Nahida/Xingqiu/Klee with 100% consistency. I didn't find Bennett and Xiangling concistent enough because those Heralds kept one-shotting me due to Bennett's pyro self-app.
This Abyss is great and I only hope we will always get something so high quality. It's hilarious how people just don't understand the game and complaining telling nonsense like that you can use only highly invested META teams, when it's just the opposite.
I ended up using Wanderer sunfire, which funnily enough, was my first idea, but I was trying so hard to use a conventional team that I spent the whole day on it. Now, I can clear consistently.
I basically cleared each chamber with different teams, Beidou Nahida Kuki Xingqiu and Yelan Xiangling Bennett Jean helped me cleared 12-3 3* (this was a chamber I struggled the most), for first chamber I changed Yelan for Kazuha. When you stay on Bennett circle you are always swirling pyro. Jean is really really good this Abyss. Beidou is also Queen. I tried freeze first half but it was really annoying.
Zajef, although I've watched your videos for a long time, I just realized today that you are a very sweet person when you said that thing of the saute team XD
@@ginichimaruan3572 If you don't even have characters as fundamental as Bennett and Xingqiu built, then I seriously doubt you would have built any other characters that would be required for any other teams that people could recommend...
@@MarineRX179 Didn't that person just mean that if you remove nahida, bennett, and xingqiu from first half, who can kill the beast on 12-3 under 2 minutes?
I did it! Thanks a lot for the tips Zajef! I managed to do the last chamber with Beidou/Kazuha/Fischl/Baizhu in first half and Nahida/Xiangling/Xingqiu/Bennett on second. I finished with 30 extra seconds!!!!
"The game is too easy" "Go for any character you like" This abyss shows why Meta characters are called Meta. If you care about the abyss, you can't do it with any character you like.
Mostly. This particular abyss requires you to have a wide enough range of characters so that you can break up your teams and still have high enough DPS for first half.
The most hilarious thing is that people talk about limited stamina, or not being able to dodge multiple attacks in a row, meanwhile, only by using their character's ults, you have like 5-7 seconds of invincibility. This is literally just a skill issue, or in many cases, like you said ''pull who you want'' issue. Zajeff kept saying ''pull who you want, you don't have to feel pressured to pull for any unit, this game is easy'', and now when the game isn't easy anymore, instead of admitting he was wrong, he blames it on abyss lmao
@@musicaddict9058 what I noticed is that people pull any random sequence of characters they like, rather than building sacrificing and pulling a team around a few units they like. Like, if you want to pull Yoimiya, pull her, but make sure your Bennett is not occupied by national on the other side, you have enough to go for Yelan, a team that is good for your ping, so many factors. Players ignore all this just to avoid being told what to do.
i had to use alhaitham burning to deal with those haralds to get the 3 stars, and my nahida was being used on the other side. i actually realised when it comes with the terror shroom if it does the dash its possible to dash toward it and angle your self so that it crashes into a wall vary close to it reducing its dash vary short
idk how but i actually 36 starred this abyss with yae/raiden/venti/zhongli on the first side. no reactions. just two besties brute forcing their way lmao.
He’s not wrong tho. Better to just drop Xingqiu and replace the brat with another cryo unit or with an anemo that can set up a nice quad melt Chongyun burst 👌
As your resident mono geo salesman, I really recommend mono geo for the first half. Makes for a very comfy clear. I used C1 Itto, C6 Gorou, C0 Zhongli, and C0 Albedo and it was by far my easiest first half clear.
this vid could've made me not spend 3 hours figuring stuff alone, but thanks zajef, very cool info, exactly the knowledge you need to make up for the bad mechanics of this abyss
Even tho this Abyss is hard and very annoying, I've started to like it because I keep replaying it to find my best team for this Abyss, because it's been a long time having Abyss that's actually very hard to 3star, and it feels very satisfying for me when I finally find the perfect team, is it just me who like this 😅
I've always liked your videos, but this time is special, you saved my "virtual life" today. I have had my worst runs on the 12th floor since 1.X cicle, and I even failed 11-1 hahahaha. Now I'm 8 stars at least.
This was the 1st Abyss I thought I wouldn't bother (started 3.0). No where close with the 1st chamber. After watching this, I was able to 3* everything! Much appreciated! ^_^ Teams: Raiden, Sucrose, Yao Yao, Lisa Hu Tao, Yelan, Nahida, Yan Fei Female only account.
Yea my mono pyro Keqing team was stumped this cycle as to what to do. I tried her on both sides and eventually had to get my 36 by doing that. But after many hours put into testing comps to see if I could still play pyro Keqing in this cycle on either side, I found that it seemed viable to play burgeon second side while basically completely ignoring playing burgeon correctly. Just having the comp that causes it without the em stacking on either pyro. And that got 12-1-2 within 2 seconds on the timer so its possible and stomped 12-2-2 and 12-3-2. At the least using Nahida burst also does give you some EM for the burgeon regardless. 12-1-2 does feel pretty bad without Xiangling and Kazuha though. Its annoying trying to keep those shits in line without the grouping and normalized aoe application. But I was very happy I possibly found a way. Could have saved myself some hours if I just read other peoples advice and realized I could even make a burgeon team while remaining pyro. Why pyro? Because infusion is the most fun mechanic in the game and I already did abyss as cryo Keqing for a year. (It was a mess).
I kinda liked this abyss. I am used to exotic teams, so I didn't suffer to get the 36 stars with "weird" combinations. Having the right elements and knowing how element applications work REALLY helps a lot. If it had only 2 Heralds, and only one wave of those badly programmed consacrated beasts, it would be actually a fun abyss to do. These meta roundup videos are a nice way to see all the teams people used too.
Undodgables aren't actually undodgable unless skill issue; if you swap character you can get 4 consecutive dashes. This really helps with the raiden weekly also.
After 3 days I finally pulled off 12-1 with Ayaka, Ganyu, Venti, Kokomi first half and my newly built, newly C6 Kaeya with Xiangling, Kazuha, Bennett second half. 2 and 3 were little problem after that in comparison.
Before this video I tried and just got 33 stars. Thanks to your advice you encouraged me to keep trying and after around 70 resets I just got 36 stars. The teams I used are these (in case it's helpful for anyone): Floor1: Raiden- Fischl- Kazuha - Baizhu Floor 2: Xingqiu- Nahida- Kuki - Bennett Thank you so much Zajef!❤
Be careful when switching windows so fast, it could trigger seizures, or put a seizure warning at the begining. Right at the end of the Raiden Hyper there are quick switching of dark and bright screens.
I got 34 with units i like and have built fairly well and used to 36 star in the past. I used a few units i hate but have kinda built because they are super strong in the teams i normally use (aka fischl for example) and with 0.5sec left i got 3 star on the first and 3rd chamber as well
I found out in this abyss second half its REALLY optimal to have rainbow razor (razor, nahida, bennett, xingqui) or other variations of such, especially with nahida. Then take your best second team in the first! (like hypercarries--kazuha is also great in first half)
I had just found out about this team comp yesterday. It’s basically Raiden national except you replace Xiangling with Nahida. This team uses both hyperbloom and burgeon. There is a video that showcases this comp by SharkH3art. They call it Rationhida. I haven’t attempted abyss yet, but this team looks like a ton of fun and it should be able to get through the entire second half of floor 12. It’s especially good against the Baptist since electro, hydro, pyro, and dendro are the best elements to use against it.
The tip about using fischl in 12-1-2 was very helpful. I used kazuha, xianling, fischl, bennett. Was finally able to 3 star the floor (after like 30 mins of restarting due to bad rng).
This abyss took me many retries but I eventually got through it with Kazuha, Alhaitham, Fischl and Kokomi first half and Diluc, Thoma, Kuki and Baizhu second half but dang it was painful
Honestly i was quite proud of myself for getting the clear, especially since this was the Abyss that took my Beidou at long last off the bench lol. Truthfully it wasn't /that/ awful but my units have significant investment so thats probably why. Either way, it was kinda nice to be forced to think outside my usual teams for this Abyss. For those curious who i used First Half: Yae Miko (C1/R1), Beidou (C6), Kirara (C1), Sucrose (C6) (Venti for the first chamber redo) Second half: Hu Tao (C1/R1), Zhongli, Nahida (R1), Xingqui (C6)
Nilou Bloom team dropped in usage this cycle. I’ve yet to try this on my own. But I managed to beat this abyss using 4 stars only (Fischl, Yaoyao, Sucrose, Beidou 1st side | Rosaria National 2nd side). It was truly a pain and I hate the fact that one side is locked on having Pyro units. Good thing I C6’ed my Bennett
The thing I learned the most about this video is that I can't be arsed to reset more than 5 times to get 2 more stars. Unless I'm on vacation, which I'm not.
The worst part about having hard (annoying) abysses is dodging. IMO, dodging in Genshin has been done poorly especially for hard content for a few reasons: First is you have a limited amount of stamina that you waste on: charge attacking, running and dodging, and most of the time you are going to run into problems with fullfilling one of these. Solution: make dodging not consume stamina, at least in the abyss. They can't expect us to constantly dodge attacks when we need our stamina for other things too all while having to deal a million damage to multiple enemies in a limited time. Second reason is dodging is telegraphed poorly. Aside for a small animation, I can't know how long my i-frames are, add to it that different character models have different dodge range, and it leads to a lot of "how did he hit me I dodged it!" moments. Even in their other game HI3 they have clearly telegraphed dodges, although to be fair, in that game dodging is a whole seperate mechanic. Solution: better telegraphing. Make the character be phased, translusent, make them glow, whatever, just give me a clear indicator for my i-frames and for when my dodge is off cooldown. Excuse my scattered wording, just putting my thoughts out.
A lot of enemy attacks are actually slow enough that you can just walk out of them without wasting stamina. The Baptist, for example, has an orb attack that doesn't actually home and can simply be sidestepped. Lots of enemies also have mechanics that slow them down once you're at a certain distance, like the Thunder Manifestation, which doesn't use its long thunder attack if you stick close to it for the majority of the fight. Once you get down the enemy's mechanics, you'll find that a lot of them don't really need you to waste stamina dodging them.
@@netuser3 You are right some enemy attacks are telegraphed very clearly and can be just walked out of, but not all of them, and yeah knowing enemy attack patterns is helpful. I just think a lot of the times dodging is a safer option with the chaos that sometimes happens in the abyss, and I would still like some changes to the dodging itself.
The constipated beast being at the end instead of the start made this abyss a complete pushover for me since only they gave me trouble so imo this abyss easier than the last rotation
I’ve waited and hoped that you say, that this abyss is bs. 1st chamber wasn’t actually hard for me (ayaya freeze + Nahida national). It was the third chamber. I have not the most invested Ayaka and no Shenhe, so my best time on first half was about 1:50. And I had to restart a bunch of times, because those stoopid beasts unfroze and run away from ayaya’s burst. When I eventually got 36*, I felt more annoyed than accomplished.
My meme burgeon yanfei team really shined this time. To the point where my friend was like "oh no, she's gonna do the team" when he saw the enemy lineup
i got frustrated with abyss and tried a "random" team for fun (baizhu, nahida, xiangling, xingqiu) and ended up 3 starring the floor kekw. i know most of those units are busted but i wasn't expecting burgeon to be so good haha. my main team (a salad comp) cleared as well but that's mainly cause my tighnari is nuts lol
I've had a lot of success with my usual Hu Tao team on the second half, just with XQ subbed out for Nahida. Nahida cheeses 12-1-2 by autochunking the hydro shield while Hu Tao's very high pyro application is great for breaking pyro shields. Anemo isn't even needed here. For 12-3-2, I can use Hu Tao's E to break the cryo shield, let her E come back, start setting up Yelan's burst on the hydro shield and basically one-cycle him since he's being chunked by the full Yelan+Hu Tao combo on the second and third shield break (with the occasional burgeon damage as extra damage). Baizhu was also really helpful on the first half for providing interrupt resistance. Aggravate doesn't need that much dendro application, and Yaoyao lacks the sustain (she still sustains ok with burst but burst is generally a bit DPS loss in aggrevate), so Baizhu providing IR and healing and some mitigation via his minishields is quite great.
This abyss was a pain in the ass but after many retries and team swaps i finally found something that worked for me with characters i liked. Team 1: Ganyu, Kazoo, Barb, and Shenhe Team 2: Hu tao, Tankfei, Yelan, and Jean Jean worked shockingly well with hutao which was fun to discover But yeah biggest complaint with this abyss is the fucking RNG. with enemies as difficult as these, RNG swings are felt a lot stronger than usual
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You know the answer, everybody knows the answer
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Xiangling. I try to play Diluc. My Xiangling deals more damage. I try to play Yoimiya. My Xiangling deals more damage. I try to play Cyno. My Xiangling deals more damage. I don't even try to play Dehya. I want to play Klee. Her best team has Xiangling. I want to play Raiden, Childe - they both want Xiangling. She grabs me by the throat. I fish for her. I cook for her. I give her the Catch. She isn't satisfied. I pull Engulfing Lightning. "I don't need this much er" She tells me. "Give me more field time." She grabs Bennett and forces him to throw himself off enemies. "You just need to funnel me more. I can deal more damage with Homa." I can't pull for Homa, I don't have enough primogems. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs Gouba. She says "Gouba, get them." There is no hint of sadness in her eyes. Nothing but pure, no icd pyro application. What a cruel world.
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the lv 100 baptist being the most chill enemy in the abyss was the twist of the century lmao
Defeating him is so easy. Best Enemy of floor 12 3 chamber ever lol
fr I was so scared of it after fighting it in the open world, I was sure it'd be a challenge in the abyss, but not at all
@kamerax13 if you play a burgeon team against him you insta break all his shields and he just gets stun locked! It's super free
@kamerax13burgeon deals dendro damage
@kamerax13 burgeon team uses hydro
I wanna see a Hoyo dev attempt this Abyss so either 1. I can see how they imagined doing it or 2. so they can experience how awful this attempt that a "challenge" was.
They did it with 4 c6r5 five stars
@@Mark-xw5ytc6r5 means it doesn't matter how much of worse your build will be you still win.
I enjoyed it on my alt account. Had to avoid using meta characters to make it more challening though.
I really like that they make you use different teams than the usual meta ones with the weird combination of elements required, but i hate the enemy attack patterns, this would be much more fun if the abyss heralds didn't permafreeze/one shot you and the consecrated beasts didn't stunlock you and tossed you around for years
When your damage window starts but the crocodile spins away
@@canaldecasta fr I can handle getting stunlocked but when I use my burst and this beast the size of an elephant starts spazzing around like a cat with zoomies it’s so annoying
@@canaldecasta freeze him
Thats why I love my Raiden and her infinite poise lol
I never heard your enemies complain about you when you're using Freeze teams, or you using characters that have interruption resistance. But hey, I supposed the enemy shouldn't use these mechanics against us, right?
once again, i feel like i say this every time a meta roundup is published, but the editing of the waves/placements and how to manipulate the enemies movement visually is sooo well done. lots of love to the editor(s).esp sam and or buggo, great job you do.
they always do a good job, very impressive
@@pongyyyy YEP FeelsStrongMan i remember when he was looking for new editors and we watched sams video. fucking banger
PSA reminder: beidou + xingqiu have ~70% damage reduction combined, as well as shields and heals.
If you're struggling with second half, just throw these two with nahida/LaHaitham aand fischl or kuki and you should be bueno even if you have the situational awareness of a kebab
Lol
And hope you can break those cryo heralds shield in time.
@@ThomiAnwar beidou burst and claymore plus kuki aoe worked well enough for me
@@jcn716 Yeah, and with how much investment? At what skill level? That's not the team you generally recommend to casual players, which is the group that in an actual struggling.
And like hell you bring that team to fight against thundering manifestation.
@@jcn716 claymore works against baptist cryo shield but not against herald shields right ?
One thing you didn't mention is that Nilou Bloom can clear the second half reasonably fast if driven by Kaveh thanks to the most forgotten reaction: Shatter, that removes 4U of Cryo, which is as much as a Bennett skill. That also lets you run Nahida on the second side.
What's the best compostion for this team? Kaveh + Nilou + ??? + ???
Probably kokomi (for necessary healing) and nahida
How can you trigger shatter on cryo shields?
@@criccode2993 with heavy atk which is claymore user by default
@Arnval Arn shatter doesn't need just cryo though, it needs frozen, so idk about breaking cryo shields
A year later this is arguably still the hardest abyss we've had to this date...
For floor 2, I heavily advise if you got electro, fill the chicken rage meter then IMMEDIATELY run behind him, this’ll greatly reduce the chance of him using the move where he run around the field; for thunder manifestation, the key move of it is the sweeping (animation look like it boutta slap you), let this hit you with i-frame burst, basically let it “hit” your hit-box or else it gonna dash away pretty far!
i come to your videos to learn about the game cuz i love the way you explain it but then at some point while watching i zone out cuz i just like your voice and end up rewatching the video multiple times lmao
God this abyss is aaaass. . .
Bro people complaining abyss was too easy tho?
mazing
@@ShuOnMobile literally watch 30 seconds of the video and you'll know what's the problem most people have with it, jfc
@@ShuOnMobile The issue with this abyss (and all of genshin tbh) isnt difficulty but bad design.
This abyss is pretty much only clearable for players that have invested in the correct units.
Not a big deal to long term players but to newer players its a huge F U.
Abyss difficulty overall just amounts to an investment check that is slowly creeping up.
If people complain something is too easy the solution isn't to forego all sensible design principles and increase difficulty through gimmicks.
Best abyss ever.
I DID IT! Jeez these tips helped out so much. Last rotation I had so much trouble but this time around Zajef's tips carried me through it.
This abyss was actually the first one where i had to use different teams on different floors. Cleared floor 2 and 3 pretty comfortably with Ayaka freeze and Hu Tao/Xingqui/Nahida/Zhongli. Struggled a lot in the first floor, but was able to clear with Nilou in the first half and Hu Tao/Xiangling/Bennett/Zhongli.
First floor was a menace. I had to use Hu Tao/Nahida/Zhongli/Xiangling on second half. Barely did it with like 2 seconds left
same i had to change the team on floor one besides that wasnt that hard
You mean chamber right?
right?????
@@rerg6923oh right, i forgor the name
Nilou actually pretty good this abyss cause second chamber is easy and the rest are good for her. Zajef is tweaking again.
More difficult, more annoying, more restrictive, more painfull... i dont think they can go further beyond after this one, this is their definitive limit right???
maybe they can top it off by adding wenut and wolflord on the same floor and chamber lol
Three words: Cryo Consecrated Beast
@@alpha4935 I just realized we don't have a Cryo beast _yet._
Fuck.
Hoyoverse: I am just warming up.
@@FreneticPotato feel like a cryo beast could be dealt with easily with national. An enemy archetype that I am afraid of because of all the shields this abyss is a geo herald. Imo this would break our meta. A lot teams can afford nahida as a dendro flex and not lose that much DPS because nahida is an excellent unit, but I don't know how many teams can fit in a geo flex
Thanks for all the ideas and status on teams, last couple abysses have just gotten harder and harder so I've been trying to strike a mix between keeping my meta units up to snuff while also branching out and trying whackier dendro teams.
this abyss finally forced me to level + ascend my Xiangling who had been at level 60/70 for the past year 💀💀
I finally gave in and leveled her and Bennet to 90 after one and a half year of them being 80, also had to take fav out of Bennet and give him Aquila Favonia
I passed without her or bennett
@@pontoancora What team did you use?
@@kwistarplus-3189 ayaka freeze on top and hutao nahida on bottom
Same but Thoma, who was benched and c6
The editing visuals in this (and of course Zachef cooking up a storm of information for us.
Some of the best Genshin content.
Thanks to all involved
I avoid the abyss like the plague, but I adore Zajef, so here we are😊
This Abyss especially I wouldn't be too religious about sticking to one team for all 3 chambers if someone is struggling. If I used Beidou I would make sure I 3* chamber 3 first and use her on A side, then adjust build and clear chamber 1 B side with her as well. That way of thinking is way more efficient if the goal is just getting 36 stars overall.
The abyss is so hard that zajeff need to make a 40 minutes video about how to beat the abyss
My battle chronicle is a mess this time. After finally 36* a few days ago I ended up with these teams:
12-1-1: Nahida-Nilou-Kokomi-Kirara 12-1-2: Benny-Xiangling-Kazuha-Ayaka (with freeze artifacts >.
your chamber 1 teams saved me some headache, ty
Did it with
12-1-1: Nahida-Nilou-Kokomi-Alhaitham 12-1-2: Bennet-Xiangling-Kazuha-Ayaka
12-2-1: Kuki-Nahida-Yelan-Alhaitham 12-2-2: Ganyu-Zhongli +2x whatever for a helpful resonance or off field stuff
12-3-1: Ayaka-Shenhe-Kokomi-Kazuha 12-3-2: Bennet-Xiangling-Yelan-Nahida
It took me 50 tries but I finally got a battle chronicle that have the same team on 3 chambers
1st half: Raiden - Fischl - Kazuha - Yaoyao
2nd half: Xiangling - Xingqui - Nahida - Bennett
As Zajeff mention, the first half can be replaced by Beidou - Fischl - Sucrose - Yaoyao, which I agree that works really great too.
My team is very similar
First half: Nahida Yelan Xingqiu Raiden
Second half: Ayaka Kazuha Xiangling Bennet
Ironically, this is the farthest I’ve ever gotten in the spiral abyss. I finished the last floor with 6/9 stars
i love all of the genshin vids recently, making the game feel much less stale
I hope they add a Damage/Contribution Graph or something at the end of the fight to see who does what and how much (i.e how much dmg a characher does, how much healing, how much dmg reduction, and how much shielding)..
Also because i want to see which enemy is one shotting my character..
I decided to come back here to remember the horrors of 3.7 after I did the 4.7 abyss 💀
Very grateful for these vids, wouldnt be getting 36 stars without them.
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I loved the visualiser showing the different floor spawn locations at around 1:10.
I love to hear ur videos like podcasts, pls keep the long video streak lol
Zajef I become so happy when I see you post
Best advice I can give for this abyss is to completely ignore your room 1 time for your first clear as long as you can get through it, and focus on teams that excel at the other two. Then once you clear the full streak with 3 stars in the other rooms you can go back and just bring like Bennett/Xiangling/Sucrose/some other characters that apply a lot of element to shred 12-1-2 pretty easily, and any good enough AoE team for the first side, especially if it has some type of Quicken reaction to break the invisibility
It's weird how Chamber 1 has been the hardest chamber of floor 12 recently.
My opinion is I like how this abyss is a mix of element check plus DPS check. As someone who has several five star weapons and constellations, the DPS check chambers are very easy, but the element check ones are still challenging because it's not about damage output and that's fun for me. I also loved all the weird dendro teams that people were able to get to work.
This was the first abyss in a long time that I've done the reset strat to use different teams for different chambers. It still bothers me that you can do this with the only restriction being that it's so cumbersome, abyss setups like this wouldn't bother me nearly as much if you could easily swap teams for each chamber.
I dream about it every night
Just coming back here to say that I actually beat the abyss today! Had to get Zhongli out to prevent my death, but I did it and I feel awesome about it
hyperbloom w/ beidou deserves a shout, the shield breaking is good and frees fischl for first side.
Good thing I didn't try this abyss until my internet was fixed. Going blind and with 500 ping would melt my brain and make me ragequit the game forever. Gonna watch this vid and see what I can do later.
For Sucrose in aggravate team, I suggest you use Hakushin Ring. It boosts Electro damage by 20% at R5! It helps sucrose to burst more often too.
Retriburgeon obliterates this abyss. If you have a built diluc and nahida, GO TO TOWN
2nd half of course
This and Sunfire Burgeon just smack the second half. The fact I never thought of it until this Abyss hurts me especially when Raiden Sunfire is one of my favorite teams
thank you Zajef for making me feel better
I literally got bullied by other stream's chat for saying this abyss isn't fun lmao
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I fucking loved this abyss. The initial challenge of findings teams that work in the first place through trial and error was extremely fun in my opinion. I ended up playing burgeon Klee in the second half, which I never expected to play, but worked extremely well due to Klee's fast solo pyro application. Now I can clear the abyss with any Nilou team on the first half and Zhongli/Nahida/Xingqiu/Klee with 100% consistency. I didn't find Bennett and Xiangling concistent enough because those Heralds kept one-shotting me due to Bennett's pyro self-app.
This Abyss is great and I only hope we will always get something so high quality. It's hilarious how people just don't understand the game and complaining telling nonsense like that you can use only highly invested META teams, when it's just the opposite.
I ended up using Wanderer sunfire, which funnily enough, was my first idea, but I was trying so hard to use a conventional team that I spent the whole day on it.
Now, I can clear consistently.
My most comfy clear so far was aggravate side 1 and Reverse melt side 2. Yae, Beidou, Kazuha, Kirara. Rosaria, Xingqiu, Xiangling, Bennet.
I basically cleared each chamber with different teams, Beidou Nahida Kuki Xingqiu and Yelan Xiangling Bennett Jean helped me cleared 12-3 3* (this was a chamber I struggled the most), for first chamber I changed Yelan for Kazuha. When you stay on Bennett circle you are always swirling pyro. Jean is really really good this Abyss. Beidou is also Queen. I tried freeze first half but it was really annoying.
Zajef, although I've watched your videos for a long time, I just realized today that you are a very sweet person when you said that thing of the saute team XD
Part 1: whatever does the most damage
Part 2: Jean, Nahida, Bennet and Xingqiu
ok, but if you remove Nahida, Bennett and Xingqiu who the hell will kill the beasts under 2 minutes?? I don't have such a team.
@@ginichimaruan3572 If you don't even have characters as fundamental as Bennett and Xingqiu built, then I seriously doubt you would have built any other characters that would be required for any other teams that people could recommend...
@@MarineRX179 Didn't that person just mean that if you remove nahida, bennett, and xingqiu from first half, who can kill the beast on 12-3 under 2 minutes?
@@selz2634 Thought he said "I don't have such team" was referring to not having those characters to use?
@@MarineRX179 he said, if he removes Bennet nahida and xingqiu, then he wouldn't have "such a team" that can kill consecrated in less than 2 mins
I did it! Thanks a lot for the tips Zajef! I managed to do the last chamber with Beidou/Kazuha/Fischl/Baizhu in first half and Nahida/Xiangling/Xingqiu/Bennett on second. I finished with 30 extra seconds!!!!
"The game is too easy"
"Go for any character you like"
This abyss shows why Meta characters are called Meta. If you care about the abyss, you can't do it with any character you like.
Fuck the guys who gave that advice
Mostly. This particular abyss requires you to have a wide enough range of characters so that you can break up your teams and still have high enough DPS for first half.
The most hilarious thing is that people talk about limited stamina, or not being able to dodge multiple attacks in a row, meanwhile, only by using their character's ults, you have like 5-7 seconds of invincibility. This is literally just a skill issue, or in many cases, like you said ''pull who you want'' issue.
Zajeff kept saying ''pull who you want, you don't have to feel pressured to pull for any unit, this game is easy'', and now when the game isn't easy anymore, instead of admitting he was wrong, he blames it on abyss lmao
@@musicaddict9058 as long as you can clear abyss with a full 4 star chatachters with 4 stars weapons yes, pull who you want is still right.
@@musicaddict9058 what I noticed is that people pull any random sequence of characters they like, rather than building sacrificing and pulling a team around a few units they like.
Like, if you want to pull Yoimiya, pull her, but make sure your Bennett is not occupied by national on the other side, you have enough to go for Yelan, a team that is good for your ping, so many factors.
Players ignore all this just to avoid being told what to do.
i had to use alhaitham burning to deal with those haralds to get the 3 stars, and my nahida was being used on the other side.
i actually realised when it comes with the terror shroom if it does the dash its possible to dash toward it and angle your self so that it crashes into a wall vary close to it reducing its dash vary short
If they would just stop making enemies randomly moveblock me with their attacks I would not mind this abyss. Thanks for all the help!
I genuinely liked this abyss and enjoyed and hope this is the direction going forward from now on. I really hope they don't backpedal
idk how but i actually 36 starred this abyss with yae/raiden/venti/zhongli on the first side. no reactions. just two besties brute forcing their way lmao.
As a melt ganyu cultist, I'm happy with the current second half lol
As someone who does not play pyro units, the despair is real.
Its hurts so much when they say chongyun national was never good
He’s not wrong tho. Better to just drop Xingqiu and replace the brat with another cryo unit or with an anemo that can set up a nice quad melt Chongyun burst 👌
As your resident mono geo salesman, I really recommend mono geo for the first half. Makes for a very comfy clear. I used C1 Itto, C6 Gorou, C0 Zhongli, and C0 Albedo and it was by far my easiest first half clear.
this vid could've made me not spend 3 hours figuring stuff alone, but thanks zajef, very cool info, exactly the knowledge you need to make up for the bad mechanics of this abyss
I was already intrested in trying Thundering Furry and how do you improve on that?
YES. THUNDERING MOMMY.
i prefer this abyss to the last one i can finally use ayaka freeze on first half and just use hyperbloom on the second
Even tho this Abyss is hard and very annoying, I've started to like it because I keep replaying it to find my best team for this Abyss, because it's been a long time having Abyss that's actually very hard to 3star, and it feels very satisfying for me when I finally find the perfect team, is it just me who like this 😅
Exactly.
I've always liked your videos, but this time is special, you saved my "virtual life" today. I have had my worst runs on the 12th floor since 1.X cicle, and I even failed 11-1 hahahaha. Now I'm 8 stars at least.
This was the 1st Abyss I thought I wouldn't bother (started 3.0). No where close with the 1st chamber. After watching this, I was able to 3* everything! Much appreciated! ^_^
Teams:
Raiden, Sucrose, Yao Yao, Lisa
Hu Tao, Yelan, Nahida, Yan Fei
Female only account.
Yea my mono pyro Keqing team was stumped this cycle as to what to do. I tried her on both sides and eventually had to get my 36 by doing that. But after many hours put into testing comps to see if I could still play pyro Keqing in this cycle on either side, I found that it seemed viable to play burgeon second side while basically completely ignoring playing burgeon correctly. Just having the comp that causes it without the em stacking on either pyro. And that got 12-1-2 within 2 seconds on the timer so its possible and stomped 12-2-2 and 12-3-2. At the least using Nahida burst also does give you some EM for the burgeon regardless. 12-1-2 does feel pretty bad without Xiangling and Kazuha though. Its annoying trying to keep those shits in line without the grouping and normalized aoe application. But I was very happy I possibly found a way. Could have saved myself some hours if I just read other peoples advice and realized I could even make a burgeon team while remaining pyro.
Why pyro? Because infusion is the most fun mechanic in the game and I already did abyss as cryo Keqing for a year. (It was a mess).
That editing 1:10 !! That looks super nice
Zajeff - you're a legend as always!!!
I kinda liked this abyss. I am used to exotic teams, so I didn't suffer to get the 36 stars with "weird" combinations. Having the right elements and knowing how element applications work REALLY helps a lot. If it had only 2 Heralds, and only one wave of those badly programmed consacrated beasts, it would be actually a fun abyss to do.
These meta roundup videos are a nice way to see all the teams people used too.
Undodgables aren't actually undodgable unless skill issue; if you swap character you can get 4 consecutive dashes. This really helps with the raiden weekly also.
very surprised i've never seen anyone talk about this
Swaps are ping reliant unfortunately, which means this won't work for everyone
After 3 days I finally pulled off 12-1 with Ayaka, Ganyu, Venti, Kokomi first half and my newly built, newly C6 Kaeya with Xiangling, Kazuha, Bennett second half. 2 and 3 were little problem after that in comparison.
The frantic clicking of the sped up portions are weirdly funny lol
Before this video I tried and just got 33 stars. Thanks to your advice you encouraged me to keep trying and after around 70 resets I just got 36 stars. The teams I used are these (in case it's helpful for anyone): Floor1: Raiden- Fischl- Kazuha - Baizhu
Floor 2: Xingqiu- Nahida- Kuki - Bennett
Thank you so much Zajef!❤
Might be my first abyss I haven’t 36 starred in a year
amazing job by the editors as usual
Be careful when switching windows so fast, it could trigger seizures, or put a seizure warning at the begining. Right at the end of the Raiden Hyper there are quick switching of dark and bright screens.
I got 34 with units i like and have built fairly well and used to 36 star in the past. I used a few units i hate but have kinda built because they are super strong in the teams i normally use (aka fischl for example) and with 0.5sec left i got 3 star on the first and 3rd chamber as well
I found out in this abyss second half its REALLY optimal to have rainbow razor (razor, nahida, bennett, xingqui) or other variations of such, especially with nahida. Then take your best second team in the first! (like hypercarries--kazuha is also great in first half)
I had just found out about this team comp yesterday. It’s basically Raiden national except you replace Xiangling with Nahida. This team uses both hyperbloom and burgeon. There is a video that showcases this comp by SharkH3art. They call it Rationhida.
I haven’t attempted abyss yet, but this team looks like a ton of fun and it should be able to get through the entire second half of floor 12. It’s especially good against the Baptist since electro, hydro, pyro, and dendro are the best elements to use against it.
Thank u so much for the information i've managed to 1 phase 36 star as a complete f2p because of u
2 super long videos in 2 days holy fuck let’s go
The tip about using fischl in 12-1-2 was very helpful. I used kazuha, xianling, fischl, bennett. Was finally able to 3 star the floor (after like 30 mins of restarting due to bad rng).
This abyss took me many retries but I eventually got through it with Kazuha, Alhaitham, Fischl and Kokomi first half and Diluc, Thoma, Kuki and Baizhu second half but dang it was painful
I had 36* every abysse for the past year, but when I saw the first chamber in this one I basically said ' f... this that's just to much'
Honestly i was quite proud of myself for getting the clear, especially since this was the Abyss that took my Beidou at long last off the bench lol. Truthfully it wasn't /that/ awful but my units have significant investment so thats probably why. Either way, it was kinda nice to be forced to think outside my usual teams for this Abyss. For those curious who i used
First Half: Yae Miko (C1/R1), Beidou (C6), Kirara (C1), Sucrose (C6) (Venti for the first chamber redo)
Second half: Hu Tao (C1/R1), Zhongli, Nahida (R1), Xingqui (C6)
The heralds move a lot. I agree. Pisses me off so much, then i accepted it.
Nilou Bloom team dropped in usage this cycle. I’ve yet to try this on my own. But I managed to beat this abyss using 4 stars only (Fischl, Yaoyao, Sucrose, Beidou 1st side | Rosaria National 2nd side). It was truly a pain and I hate the fact that one side is locked on having Pyro units. Good thing I C6’ed my Bennett
The thing I learned the most about this video is that I can't be arsed to reset more than 5 times to get 2 more stars. Unless I'm on vacation, which I'm not.
my stupid cheese: take burst health recovery over offense buffs for shit chambers
The worst part about having hard (annoying) abysses is dodging. IMO, dodging in Genshin has been done poorly especially for hard content for a few reasons:
First is you have a limited amount of stamina that you waste on: charge attacking, running and dodging, and most of the time you are going to run into problems with fullfilling one of these. Solution: make dodging not consume stamina, at least in the abyss. They can't expect us to constantly dodge attacks when we need our stamina for other things too all while having to deal a million damage to multiple enemies in a limited time.
Second reason is dodging is telegraphed poorly. Aside for a small animation, I can't know how long my i-frames are, add to it that different character models have different dodge range, and it leads to a lot of "how did he hit me I dodged it!" moments. Even in their other game HI3 they have clearly telegraphed dodges, although to be fair, in that game dodging is a whole seperate mechanic. Solution: better telegraphing. Make the character be phased, translusent, make them glow, whatever, just give me a clear indicator for my i-frames and for when my dodge is off cooldown.
Excuse my scattered wording, just putting my thoughts out.
A lot of enemy attacks are actually slow enough that you can just walk out of them without wasting stamina. The Baptist, for example, has an orb attack that doesn't actually home and can simply be sidestepped. Lots of enemies also have mechanics that slow them down once you're at a certain distance, like the Thunder Manifestation, which doesn't use its long thunder attack if you stick close to it for the majority of the fight. Once you get down the enemy's mechanics, you'll find that a lot of them don't really need you to waste stamina dodging them.
@@netuser3 You are right some enemy attacks are telegraphed very clearly and can be just walked out of, but not all of them, and yeah knowing enemy attack patterns is helpful. I just think a lot of the times dodging is a safer option with the chaos that sometimes happens in the abyss, and I would still like some changes to the dodging itself.
sounds like a skill issue
@@ziodyne7774 You are so funny and original wow.
The constipated beast being at the end instead of the start made this abyss a complete pushover for me since only they gave me trouble so imo this abyss easier than the last rotation
I’ve waited and hoped that you say, that this abyss is bs. 1st chamber wasn’t actually hard for me (ayaya freeze + Nahida national). It was the third chamber. I have not the most invested Ayaka and no Shenhe, so my best time on first half was about 1:50. And I had to restart a bunch of times, because those stoopid beasts unfroze and run away from ayaya’s burst. When I eventually got 36*, I felt more annoyed than accomplished.
My meme burgeon yanfei team really shined this time. To the point where my friend was like "oh no, she's gonna do the team" when he saw the enemy lineup
If you stick close to the Thunder Manifestation, you can skip almost all of his annoying attacks like the cage, the dashes and the piercing feathers.
Kokomi taser top half, Nahida national second half, 36☆, easy life
Normally love playing around in abyss, but this cycle sucks so badly. I hate it.
surely will go hyper raiden against thundering manifestation
i got frustrated with abyss and tried a "random" team for fun (baizhu, nahida, xiangling, xingqiu) and ended up 3 starring the floor kekw. i know most of those units are busted but i wasn't expecting burgeon to be so good haha. my main team (a salad comp) cleared as well but that's mainly cause my tighnari is nuts lol
27:56 Sunfire Meltyu (Ganyu Diona Bennett Jean) that I run shreds the pyro shield just as easily as all the other shields
I've had a lot of success with my usual Hu Tao team on the second half, just with XQ subbed out for Nahida. Nahida cheeses 12-1-2 by autochunking the hydro shield while Hu Tao's very high pyro application is great for breaking pyro shields. Anemo isn't even needed here. For 12-3-2, I can use Hu Tao's E to break the cryo shield, let her E come back, start setting up Yelan's burst on the hydro shield and basically one-cycle him since he's being chunked by the full Yelan+Hu Tao combo on the second and third shield break (with the occasional burgeon damage as extra damage).
Baizhu was also really helpful on the first half for providing interrupt resistance. Aggravate doesn't need that much dendro application, and Yaoyao lacks the sustain (she still sustains ok with burst but burst is generally a bit DPS loss in aggrevate), so Baizhu providing IR and healing and some mitigation via his minishields is quite great.
This abyss was a pain in the ass but after many retries and team swaps i finally found something that worked for me with characters i liked.
Team 1: Ganyu, Kazoo, Barb, and Shenhe
Team 2: Hu tao, Tankfei, Yelan, and Jean
Jean worked shockingly well with hutao which was fun to discover
But yeah biggest complaint with this abyss is the fucking RNG. with enemies as difficult as these, RNG swings are felt a lot stronger than usual
Hyperbloom core with a energy focused XL made 12-1-2 a joke. I recommend
This video came like from heaven just as I was struggling in the abyss (RIP my poor nahida)
I heckin love Zajef
To the guy that edited the video:
I really like how you did it, good job
Got 34 stars first run. Not worth the anxiety for 50 or 100 gems. Then I played Diablo 4 and actually had fun.