@shifty-l6e True, but they essentially are claiming cliff's video as his which is wrong, they should just upload it un watermarked and give credit. That is the Christian thing to do.
Do you not understand that spreading the glory of gods words and Jesus is the reason why cliff speaks the more viewers that see this and watch this video the more the word of god will be spread
@FightClubPostersbut stealing to do it is wrong, we don’t know if he’s making money off this or not( unless there’s a way to tell if they r n im jus a lil dumb)
I love that these 3 guys were at least having mostly civil discourse and being a bit on the mostly chill side. its a relief really. alot of people seem to just shout and cuss at cliffe. i really appreciate these videos. I grew from this. dont know much about the water mark, i guess this may have been someone else's video? some people were saying that. either way luv these vids. good stuff, dont know if youll see this cliffe but if somehow you do thank you for doing what you do. God bless guys.
A math professor did the math on what it would take to create a life, he said the odds were better that a tornado going through a plane junk yard and assembling a working plane.
@@tombullard6167 there are a lot of slaves in third world countries used in mines and factories getting worse treatment compared to people who lived 2000 years ago.
How do we prove evolution as a creation method? By scientists taking simple molecules and reproducing cells in a lab... Still involves intelligent design, it still takes a creator to MAKE the materials into something complex. It not only doesn't address where did the most basic molecules and atoms actually come from, it also just proves chaos making order totally wrong by showing you still need order to make order, designers to design.
Ag nee my vriend, jy weet nie eers waaroor jy praat nie. Jy is 'n verleentheid vir ons nasie. Ek hoop en bid opreg dat u oë en ore geopen sal word. Amen
@@colinlavery625 LOL in the FIRST page of the Bible He clearly explains us how EVERY human beings are made in His image, meaning: every pearson holds the same value. Than he continues and tell us how our world is cursed, thats y slavary and such things happen
When the video was going from Cliffe talking to the other Christian speaker, it felt like I was watching Cliffe and his younger self debating with this man
It always boils down to historical evidence of Christ and math to me. You can't deny the stories of the Bible are true at this point. There is far, far, too much evidence. And if you Google the mathmatical probability of evolution, it is impossible! Unless, of course, you also don't believe in math.
The idea that you can't get something out of nothing might not be entirely accurate. First, we must ask: does "nothing" even exist? What is nothing? Let’s take zero as an example. While we often think of zero as representing nothing, it is, in fact, surrounded by everything-on either side, there are infinite numbers. For instance, -3 and +3 combine to create zero - nothing. This suggests that "nothing" might not signify absence, but rather a balance between opposing forces. In this sense, "nothing" could be understood as a perfect equilibrium of everything. When this balance is disrupted, by something, something new emerges. Consider your own existence: before you were born, you were "nothing" in a physical sense. Yet, a change in the "balance"-a union of elements-brought you into being. So, can we ever truly say that "nothing" has ever been just nothing?
God is the creator he has the right 2 judge...ppl stop blaming God 4 our flaws cause we want him 2 let us do wat we want how we want it 2 b 4 our lives...wrong wrong wrong God is LOVE N HE HATES SIN N HE DECIDED WAT WAS SIN ...N ITS EVERYTHING WE WANT IS SIN..
The problem with theoretical physics is that you can always invent a really cool idea, assign arbitrary values to it, and then create formulas that prove it.
although u had ur own watermark. The Gospel was preached here and thats all that matters whatever grows a brother or sister in christs Faith is a win! im sure whoever clicked on this Vid grew their Faith in Christ.
So its okay to steal somone cell phone and put it under our name (watermark) as long as we're sharing the word on it then we get a pass? I feel like Cliff or any content creator would consider someone re-uploading somone else's video with their watermark on it is immoral and unethical. I think this is the type of thing we are preaching against, they could've spread the word without stamping it as their own. This is all under the assumption Cliff didnt give the okay so if he has then everything I said is a mute point. However if he didn't then it's like someone stealing your car driving it around then when confronted about it you say Nah let it go bc they put their cool JESUS vanity license plate on the back so atleast it's spreading the word. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel it's wrong to think this isnt theft
@@tombullard6167 Now tell me bro would cliffe or sturat knechtle be really angry or not okay with someone else spreding their College Campus Gospel Preaching?.
The creation story makes more sense is more rational than evolution u have 2 have a creative mind 2 create n the BIBLE STORY OF HOW EVERYTHING BECAME IS TRUE RATHER IF WE BELIEVE IT OR NOT...N BESIDES GOD IS THE ORCHESTRA OF SCIENCE...CAUSE HE CREATED THE SCIENCE...
I love Cliffe and Stuart. However I have to caution Stuart when he claims that Einstein eventually believed in God. Einstein apparently didn't and actually rejected the personal God that Christ followers believe. Apparently he believed in Spinoza's God who believed that God is not a personal being but the infinite, eternal essence of the universe, identical to Nature and its laws, encompassing all that exists.
Indentured servitude was what all the rules applied to. Israel himself was an indentured servant. People have the right to sell themselves into servitude for a price. The rules are to make sure slavery does not occur. Indentured servitude is not slavery. Slavery is servitude without rights or payment. Servitude is service at a cost. Read the rules. It says if any of your people sell themselves to you, making sure it specified that it was the servants choice.... They make sure to limit the time of service to 7 years, and then they say that regardless of debt owed, the servant must be freed. Then also to make sure they have collateral on their way out..... Deuteronomy 15:12.
PTSD is the diagnosis of trauma, and religious trauma does indeed exist. We live in a fallen world full of evil and deception and religious people have done evil, sometimes in God’s name, such as slavery and the crusades. I have seen judgmental people in a church before when someone who does not look like them walks in and sits down. This shouldn’t happen but it does. Besides churches are filled with sinners, sinners who are working toward being obedient to God. We of course cannot talk about religious trauma without talking about the Catholic Church and their problems with some of their priests. I, like Stuart, am a therapist as well as a Christian.
Epictetus was a slave. His mind was a blessing to Humanity. Evidently good can come from slavery. Would he have been a stoic philosopher if he didn't endure slavery?
Listening to that guy explain his morality burns my ears , and he missed the bigger picture while trying to explain his logic which came back to cancel itself out every time he spoke
The owner of this channel is a moral relativist. He thinks it’s ok to steal a video if it means he can get away with it and it helps him further himself in society
If cells duplicate themselves without a creator, n you think you’re smarter then Einstein , then please, go out there and duplicate something simpler which is E=2.718 Mc2. And it works. That must be how complex it is to create all that we carry in our body, AND we’re all unique and special
I get the whole thing about stealing videos and getting no credit but by re-uploading these videos he is reaching another group of people cliff may not in furthering the kingdom of God look at it that way
Quit whining that they stole Cliffes video Cliffe is very good and everyone should absolutely watch and subscribe to his channel but he also doesn’t “own” this intellectual information. I highly doubt Cliffe would be angry or upset that someone shared his video and therefore spread the gospel and truth of creation
more moral than the bible, oh my! man must follow all the laws of Moses then! and he must have transcended the law and become better yet! he must be a very holy person!
I hear you have had a relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, I ask if you are not please find a church that preaches the truth like the Pentecostal church! A lot of churches believe in the trinity but that is not true! The Pentecostal Apostolic church believes in the oneness of God!❤ I love you brother and so does Jesus😊❤️
If this God created all that is, and created the moral law, then you cannot possibly argue he is immoral. Just like you cannot possibly argue that “The creator of the laws of mathematics is mathematically below the bar”. It’s also worth noting that even within our world, rules and regulations apply to some of those in power, but not those below. Mom can tell me not to leave the house after 10pm, but mom can if she pleases. She creates the rules. Our government can order a missile strike on a foreign country and face no legal repercussions within its own government, but a citizen cannot order a missile strike on another country. I could go on about how logically inconsistent this position is. If God created this universe, he can do WHATEVER he wants with it. Your approval or disapproval of that doesn’t make him wrong. It makes you prideful, rebellious, and contrarian. Just because you don’t like it, that doesn’t make it wrong.
Atheist just cant say what about science anymore yall just want a gotcha we trying to save yall soul thats the difference that y there always be preacher
Without observed speciation all the evidence for evolution is circumstantial. And the fact that we haven’t observed speciation since observing for evolution proves that evolution can’t happen quick enough to account for all the variety of life on life, especially not with multiple mass extinction events
The amount of mental hoops you have to jump through to comprehend existence outside of God should be more than enough evidence that God exists. The Bible and the concept of God is very easy to explain and comprehend. There are no theory’s. It’s just “Jesus was God as a man, he died as a sacrifice for the sins of the world, and all you have to do is accept him as Lord of your life and repent of your sins”
Cliffe seemingly does not have a basic understanding on evolution, evolution says absolutely nothing on how inanimate matter became living matter, that is a totally different branch of science. Evolution explains in great detail how life forms diversify over time due to various factors like environmental changes.
"It (free will) is a useful term we use to navigate life." But if free will is just a term to describe the unpredictability of chaos, then your every move is determined by chaos rather than laws of nature. But either way there's no you to navigate anything.
Or...time itself always existed due to God's own existence and didn't need to be created in the first place. Which means God is not outside of time itself but rather is outside of the timeline of the universe which branched off from time itself when God created the universe.
Heres one. Those models wouldnt be happening without somebody putting all those elements together. Those elements werent putting themselves together, scientists were doing it themselves. Maybe god did the same?
There can be no "nothing" without "something" existing, otherwise all would be nothing which would be something. Philosophy is a word game. Words are tools. Hard listening to people who don't know philosophy (theology is not philosophy). Maybe the "Word" shouldn't have been deified.
they arent opponents and i wouldve otherwise watched the video now i hope noone else does so they dont get the wrong idea from your awful videos and claim to recognition you and anyone else doesnt deserve
LOL, I love this atheist argument... our universe is born of other universes. The infinite material... what they want to believe in. Our universe has a beginning? Ohhh... it must of came from another universe. Where did that one come from? Oh... it maybe was born from another universe, and so on. All that does, is MOVE THE GOALPOSTS. They need a material substitute for an immaterial God.
Multiverse doesn't even make sense as a term. Universe is "single spoken verse" it's a term to include all things.. all things discovered and yet to be discovered...... in the discoverable "universe". Anything you discover is defacto part of the "universe". A 5 year old kid could have said the term "multi-verse" as it's a low level play on words. It like saying biological mom, or multi-biological moms.. what if 7 women gave birth to me? they didn't. It was one. lol It's entirely 100% irrational terminology. The modern generation is one which believes all things are possible (all things may be possible with a deity, but not with mere man) and anything absurd (no matter how illogical) is entirely valid because they will always say "so and so thought something else was absurd once" - they even use this statement in modern culture such as films and debates. "so and so once laughed and said a man couldn't be a woman, and that light couldn't be darkness" ........ yeah and still can't and never will be. Modern people have been dogmatically brainwashed since grade-school to accept absurdly illogical falsehoods like "you can be anything you want to be" or "anything is possible" (again with mere mortal humans). And they "religiously" believe these things and are disturbed when they hear counter-response (reality). The ramification are in their belief that govern their decision making. If one is offended by truth, then foundationally they are believing something that has an outworking in their life... they will make decisions that are wrong, because they have a corrupt foundational understanding of "truth". They believe it to be non-absolute. Anything you discover would expand the universe, you can't take a term like that and then make it mean something less than it's definition to satisfy a completely wacky thought you had in your mind. There is ZERO support for the term that is the "multiverse". But people are free to live and pursue such a thought, just like your free to believe light is darkness, and men are women, or dogs are human, or you came from an ape (mathematically another thing that is impossible with DNA and the timeframe.. any timeframe). People are free to pursue illogical ends..... that doesn't validate it for conversation in a debate, or earnest pursuit of "truth" as an absolute. When you can't understand fully the "universe" you occupy, then reach out into the ether and pull out a dumb term to flatter your own ego.
liking your own comments is crazy bro. P.S so is not understanding a basic concept. I challenge you to explain, how he is wrong. I guarantee your argument is flimsy at best.
✌🏻😎🏴I can make life from non life. I can create life from basic elements. Does that make me god? Not all life is created from other life forms. Fact. I can also show you the natural process of life being created in Nature.
Nature IS life my brother. Can you show me the process of creating life or nature outside the earth and it's nature? What you said there literally means I can show you life created by life
It’s important to recognize that he will understand this in time. Living without him feels like torment, and while I’m not afraid of hell, I fear the distance from my God. My life transformed when I dedicated myself to Christ; everything changed for the better. Our reverence for God comes not from seeing Him as evil, but from the profound understanding of what it means to be apart from Him. Embracing His commandments is vital, as they guide us towards the connection we truly seek.
Now I find that Cliffe is both an Arminian AND and evolutionist???!!! 😢 When you compromise Genesis 1 you compromise the one big redemptive story of all of scripture. God’s Word has the literal 7 days as a Gospel theme; Christ being a fulfillment of the Sabbath, which is our eternal redemption. Now instead of working to find rest (the Law no man can keep; the law that condemns ) the Christian rests (on the Lord’s Day Sabbath established in the New Covenant) and then works out of that rest they have in Christ. Also, these students will come away knowing more about evidential apologetics but very little to nothing about the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ. The Gospel is the power of God to save, the means He has ordained by which sinners hear and are brought to repentance and faith in the One and Only Savior Jesus Christ.
I would be personally willing to argue that its far more likely that god designed a system that allows for evolution, including all its faults and dead ends. If i showed you nothing but the positive results from a billion billion random experiments, ypu would probably bow down and call me god too, does not mean I am one, does not mean it cannot have come from random chance.
@Benji_808 where did I say that? The opposite belief is quite literally that god came from nothing and created everything as it is now, rather than allowing for development through naturally implemented systems. I think you have made a mistake to be honest, I'm not sure where you got that idea from.
@@mickieg1994 u basically said it could’ve came from random chance. If it’s chance then no one created it which means it came from nothing And no ur wrong. No one said god came from anywhere god is the uncaused cause.
@Benji_808 ahh ok I see the confusion My argument is not that evolution came from nothing, more a necessary rearranging of particles and atoms, working with what was already available, same with the big bang aswell, it was all already there, just needed some rearranging. Like I say above, we don't see the infinite number of arrangements that didn't produce life, we only see the one that did, the one we are in now and we have no idea if it was attempt one, or one hundred million, so when we look around with our rational thinking brains ofcourse we come to the conclusion that it was divinely created, no matter how many imperceptible flaws there could be, or how chaotic every other version of existence could have been. If God is eternal then the cause for it must be cyclical, it exists because it exists. this is where I believe the faith based, something from nothing argument comes from, not necessarily science or evolution, which in my mind is constantly trying to figure out what came before and why everything happens, not just to have faith that it came from nothing.
@@noahreineke9569 Religious balderdash is clearly obvious, debate or articulation not required. Ad Hominem will do. "To debate with someone who has renounced their use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
@ In other words, you cannot articulate why you’re disagreeing? Or do you simply refuse to. If your response was directly to them, sure. If they could see it, and you wanted to argue that with them, and that’s how you see it most effective to argue them, go right on ahead. However, this isn’t even their channel. You’re not arguing them. You’re presenting your opinion to the public comment section below. As such, you should feel inclined to articulate that, as you’re not responding to the original source, but instead addressing a public comment section. Please highlight what it is he is incorrect about.
@@noahreineke9569 I would need a huge amount of time to counter the Knechtle's inane bovine excretion, and then it would do little good. I highlight everything coming out of father and son's mouth as incorrect. The young man did an exceptional job, but the preachers' are clearly delusional, and quite likely beyond repair. Every single question posed was answered by with ridiculous and embarrassing nonsense. Again, the young man did a fine job and I fully endorse and align with his articulation. View it again Noah, and try engaging your baloney detection kit.
@@noahreineke9569 I'll bite noah, Cliff believes in a sort of "half-evolution", he knows theres undeniable evidence, but he cant admit it's completely true because it goes against his logic/religion.
@colinlavery625 a system in which life sustains life ,have you any idea how many lives thrive off of one dead whale,nothing goes to waste,just as God intended
Your argument is weak in the extreme. You have avoided addressing my point. I am talking about extreme pain and suffering. Nature "red in tooth and claw." This is God's doing. What about humans who have agonising deaths ???? An all loving creator ???. I don't think so !!!! @tjswilley5265
Who doesn't he do great against? He debated the best the athiests could bring many times.. it did not go well for the athiests.. who should he be debating?
You reuploading Cliffes video and adding your own water mark is crazy!
😂😂
Especially that watermark being Jesus's face
Yeah 😂
Anyway to spread the gospel, reuploading videos or not, is good.
@shifty-l6e True, but they essentially are claiming cliff's video as his which is wrong, they should just upload it un watermarked and give credit. That is the Christian thing to do.
if your going to steal entire videos, the least you can do is link the real channel so they can receive the subs and views
Bro... You stole Cliff's video. Do right and delete this and give credit where credit is due.
Do you not understand that spreading the glory of gods words and Jesus is the reason why cliff speaks the more viewers that see this and watch this video the more the word of god will be spread
@@flooriiian yes how is he not ?
@FightClubPostersbut stealing to do it is wrong, we don’t know if he’s making money off this or not( unless there’s a way to tell if they r n im jus a lil dumb)
eh, if he can make cash off God, why not? All preachers do.
How does Cliff make his money?
he didnt steal it, Cliff still has his video
Thumbnail is a lie. He never said “my daddy said you’re wrong”
Hi! Welcome to the internet. This is called clickbait. Edgy comment tho
Shocker! 😱
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I love that these 3 guys were at least having mostly civil discourse and being a bit on the mostly chill side. its a relief really. alot of people seem to just shout and cuss at cliffe. i really appreciate these videos. I grew from this. dont know much about the water mark, i guess this may have been someone else's video? some people were saying that. either way luv these vids. good stuff, dont know if youll see this cliffe but if somehow you do thank you for doing what you do. God bless guys.
A math professor did the math on what it would take to create a life, he said the odds were better that a tornado going through a plane junk yard and assembling a working plane.
With the pilots and crew
Go learn what mathematics actually is and mathematics shouldn't exist if the bible was actually anything to go by.
@@johnhines1336 make sure to ask your mom for barbecue sauce with your next order of chicken tendies.😉
@@johnhines1336 Nothing I said had anything to do with the Bible. Maybe you should pick one up and learn how to be non judgemental....
Yawn, tired old argument from incredulity.
There are more slaves THIS moment than in the entire transatlantic slave trade. People seem to not realize that.
So, therefore, slavery is a good thing??? Not sure where you are going with that one.
Good thing the bible gives us rules how to handle these ungrateful slaves...
Every prisoner is technically a slave under law. Beyond that though I agree on a different level as well
@@tombullard6167 there are a lot of slaves in third world countries used in mines and factories getting worse treatment compared to people who lived 2000 years ago.
These kids are getting their true education outside of the classroom.
No, they're just getting lied to by a delusional old guy.
How do we prove evolution as a creation method? By scientists taking simple molecules and reproducing cells in a lab... Still involves intelligent design, it still takes a creator to MAKE the materials into something complex.
It not only doesn't address where did the most basic molecules and atoms actually come from, it also just proves chaos making order totally wrong by showing you still need order to make order, designers to design.
We don't know if this man was changed... misleading title. Great discussion again Cliffe and Stuart!
Oh, someone stole his video and posted on their channel
Let's all pray for this man to wake up, see the flaws in his thinking, & come to Christ ❤
Ag nee my vriend, jy weet nie eers waaroor jy praat nie. Jy is 'n verleentheid vir ons nasie. Ek hoop en bid opreg dat u oë en ore geopen sal word. Amen
Thumbnail is crazy 😂
""the Bible doesn't say slavery is wrong'' The book of Exodus is about freeing slaves
Read your bible more carefully !!!!
@colinlavery625 i did, did u read what i said?
God / Jesus NEVER denounced slavery. Basically they told us how manage slaves according to your wacky book.
@@colinlavery625 LOL in the FIRST page of the Bible He clearly explains us how EVERY human beings are made in His image, meaning: every pearson holds the same value. Than he continues and tell us how our world is cursed, thats y slavary and such things happen
@@colinlavery625Wasnt moses on a 40 year mission on freeing slaves from egypt
"what you believe about life contradicts your kindness" We all know he felt that
people have such faith in science that its becoming its own religion LMAO
" I believe my brain makes choices." Well sir umm Yes, yes it does lol
When the video was going from Cliffe talking to the other Christian speaker, it felt like I was watching Cliffe and his younger self debating with this man
It's his son lol
His spidey senses were kicking in! Thanks Peter Parker!
i know a South African accent when i hear one
bra 100% lol man i thought i was tripping and we love to make our point
It always boils down to historical evidence of Christ and math to me. You can't deny the stories of the Bible are true at this point. There is far, far, too much evidence. And if you Google the mathmatical probability of evolution, it is impossible! Unless, of course, you also don't believe in math.
The idea that you can't get something out of nothing might not be entirely accurate. First, we must ask: does "nothing" even exist? What is nothing? Let’s take zero as an example. While we often think of zero as representing nothing, it is, in fact, surrounded by everything-on either side, there are infinite numbers. For instance, -3 and +3 combine to create zero - nothing. This suggests that "nothing" might not signify absence, but rather a balance between opposing forces.
In this sense, "nothing" could be understood as a perfect equilibrium of everything. When this balance is disrupted, by something, something new emerges. Consider your own existence: before you were born, you were "nothing" in a physical sense. Yet, a change in the "balance"-a union of elements-brought you into being.
So, can we ever truly say that "nothing" has ever been just nothing?
God is the creator he has the right 2 judge...ppl stop blaming God 4 our flaws cause we want him 2 let us do wat we want how we want it 2 b 4 our lives...wrong wrong wrong God is LOVE N HE HATES SIN N HE DECIDED WAT WAS SIN ...N ITS EVERYTHING WE WANT IS SIN..
The problem with theoretical physics is that you can always invent a really cool idea, assign arbitrary values to it, and then create formulas that prove it.
although u had ur own watermark.
The Gospel was preached here and thats all that matters whatever grows a brother or sister in christs Faith is a win!
im sure whoever clicked on this Vid grew their Faith in Christ.
So its okay to steal somone cell phone and put it under our name (watermark) as long as we're sharing the word on it then we get a pass? I feel like Cliff or any content creator would consider someone re-uploading somone else's video with their watermark on it is immoral and unethical. I think this is the type of thing we are preaching against, they could've spread the word without stamping it as their own.
This is all under the assumption Cliff didnt give the okay so if he has then everything I said is a mute point. However if he didn't then it's like someone stealing your car driving it around then when confronted about it you say Nah let it go bc they put their cool JESUS vanity license plate on the back so atleast it's spreading the word. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel it's wrong to think this isnt theft
@@tombullard6167 Now tell me bro would cliffe or sturat knechtle be really angry or not okay with someone else spreding their College Campus Gospel Preaching?.
mass copyright strike incoming
Dang, now I need counsel…. This student got me confused…
The creation story makes more sense is more rational than evolution u have 2 have a creative mind 2 create n the BIBLE STORY OF HOW EVERYTHING BECAME IS TRUE RATHER IF WE BELIEVE IT OR NOT...N BESIDES GOD IS THE ORCHESTRA OF SCIENCE...CAUSE HE CREATED THE SCIENCE...
Anybody have the link for the original video? I would greatly appreciate it
I love Cliffe and Stuart. However I have to caution Stuart when he claims that Einstein eventually believed in God. Einstein apparently didn't and actually rejected the personal God that Christ followers believe. Apparently he believed in Spinoza's God who believed that God is not a personal being but the infinite, eternal essence of the universe, identical to Nature and its laws, encompassing all that exists.
They never said that either. They claim he became a theist when he was previously a polytheist.
@@JeFFrOcKz312still a false statement.
@@etherealblacketernal2889it’s a true statement he was no longer atheist
@@c0ax he was still pantheistic.
@@JeFFrOcKz312 Stuart did say that in the first 2 minutes - Einstein never became a theist. Do you even know what a polytheist is?
Can you get a baby without a woman, or can you make a baby without a man, we cannot get something from nothing. Jesus Christ is Lord🙏
Indentured servitude was what all the rules applied to. Israel himself was an indentured servant. People have the right to sell themselves into servitude for a price. The rules are to make sure slavery does not occur. Indentured servitude is not slavery. Slavery is servitude without rights or payment. Servitude is service at a cost. Read the rules. It says if any of your people sell themselves to you, making sure it specified that it was the servants choice.... They make sure to limit the time of service to 7 years, and then they say that regardless of debt owed, the servant must be freed. Then also to make sure they have collateral on their way out..... Deuteronomy 15:12.
Compatibility is the biggest cop out there is within the free will ideology whether within secularism or otherwise .
😊 He is so smart honestly. He's so biblical. You cannot stump this man. No matter what atheist look out, he will teach you a lesson 😂
Disliking because you stole his video with no credit
Religious PTSD is real. Let’s talk about it. Maybe Stuart would share his thoughts and experience
PTSD is the diagnosis of trauma, and religious trauma does indeed exist. We live in a fallen world full of evil and deception and religious people have done evil, sometimes in God’s name, such as slavery and the crusades. I have seen judgmental people in a church before when someone who does not look like them walks in and sits down. This shouldn’t happen but it does. Besides churches are filled with sinners, sinners who are working toward being obedient to God. We of course cannot talk about religious trauma without talking about the Catholic Church and their problems with some of their priests. I, like Stuart, am a therapist as well as a Christian.
So is evolution ptsd and swimming so you're point 👉
Cliffe looks so proud when his son took over
from South Africa here, that man speaks for himself leave SA outa your name bruv haha
@trissthegreat8255 no,we can talk about were you live
sa is named after their peoples favourite crime
did get a little tense perhaps near the end there, but all in all a good talk.
Epictetus was a slave. His mind was a blessing to Humanity. Evidently good can come from slavery.
Would he have been a stoic philosopher if he didn't endure slavery?
If the multiverse is real by default God has to be real because all and anything can happen.
if evoilution was as simple as he puts it then why can't we create life
Listening to that guy explain his morality burns my ears , and he missed the bigger picture while trying to explain his logic which came back to cancel itself out every time he spoke
Something from nothing is basic math. We learned in like second grade that negative plus positive equals negative which equals nothing
The owner of this channel is a moral relativist. He thinks it’s ok to steal a video if it means he can get away with it and it helps him further himself in society
A perfect example of grasping at straws.
We are not 100% sure of that
I am 99% sure of that
If cells duplicate themselves without a creator, n you think you’re smarter then Einstein , then please, go out there and duplicate something simpler which is E=2.718 Mc2. And it works. That must be how complex it is to create all that we carry in our body, AND we’re all unique and special
I get the whole thing about stealing videos and getting no credit but by re-uploading these videos he is reaching another group of people cliff may not in furthering the kingdom of God look at it that way
Does anyone hear the whispering at 23:10? It keeps going. I'm weird
This guy is South African 😂😂😂
Let’s stop stealing from cliffs Channel to make money
Quit whining that they stole Cliffes video Cliffe is very good and everyone should absolutely watch and subscribe to his channel but he also doesn’t “own” this intellectual information. I highly doubt Cliffe would be angry or upset that someone shared his video and therefore spread the gospel and truth of creation
I find it very annoying that every other video about Cliffe is mirrored, windowed, and has a watermark.
Guys can you hear that strong ringing in this video sorry if you can get that out of I'll watch it because cliff is good by for now
That guy is really stretching it. The multi universe ???
more moral than the bible, oh my!
man must follow all the laws of Moses then!
and he must have transcended the law and become better yet!
he must be a very holy person!
All loving things have free will.. we did not invent it.
Sheesh people like this are exhausting….
I hear you have had a relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, I ask if you are not please find a church that preaches the truth like the Pentecostal church!
A lot of churches believe in the trinity but that is not true! The Pentecostal Apostolic church believes in the oneness of God!❤ I love you brother and so does Jesus😊❤️
The morally low bar god has to reach is incomprehensible.
By which moral standard?
@eagle5818 ALL moral standards, even his/your own.
That statement is an Oxymoron
@@kamixakadio2441 how so?
If this God created all that is, and created the moral law, then you cannot possibly argue he is immoral.
Just like you cannot possibly argue that “The creator of the laws of mathematics is mathematically below the bar”.
It’s also worth noting that even within our world, rules and regulations apply to some of those in power, but not those below.
Mom can tell me not to leave the house after 10pm, but mom can if she pleases. She creates the rules.
Our government can order a missile strike on a foreign country and face no legal repercussions within its own government, but a citizen cannot order a missile strike on another country.
I could go on about how logically inconsistent this position is.
If God created this universe, he can do WHATEVER he wants with it. Your approval or disapproval of that doesn’t make him wrong. It makes you prideful, rebellious, and contrarian.
Just because you don’t like it, that doesn’t make it wrong.
Atheist just cant say what about science anymore yall just want a gotcha we trying to save yall soul thats the difference that y there always be preacher
Without observed speciation all the evidence for evolution is circumstantial. And the fact that we haven’t observed speciation since observing for evolution proves that evolution can’t happen quick enough to account for all the variety of life on life, especially not with multiple mass extinction events
Its a sin to steal "true faith"
The amount of mental hoops you have to jump through to comprehend existence outside of God should be more than enough evidence that God exists. The Bible and the concept of God is very easy to explain and comprehend. There are no theory’s. It’s just “Jesus was God as a man, he died as a sacrifice for the sins of the world, and all you have to do is accept him as Lord of your life and repent of your sins”
Cliff son was Special Pleading his imaginary friend.
The level of dishonesty is off the charts!!!
What does this mean?
Cliffe said it’s because of the Holy Spirit.
Cliffe seemingly does not have a basic understanding on evolution, evolution says absolutely nothing on how inanimate matter became living matter, that is a totally different branch of science. Evolution explains in great detail how life forms diversify over time due to various factors like environmental changes.
Bro really stole a video about religion 😭 biblical coveter
"It (free will) is a useful term we use to navigate life."
But if free will is just a term to describe the unpredictability of chaos, then your every move is determined by chaos rather than laws of nature.
But either way there's no you to navigate anything.
His mind wasn't changed. Misleading title needs to be changed.
Or...time itself always existed due to God's own existence and didn't need to be created in the first place.
Which means God is not outside of time itself but rather is outside of the timeline of the universe which branched off from time itself when God created the universe.
This guy is crazy because according to his logic In the multiverse there's a universe He believes in GOD so there!
Heres one.
Those models wouldnt be happening without somebody putting all those elements together. Those elements werent putting themselves together, scientists were doing it themselves.
Maybe god did the same?
Entropy disproves evolution
How?
In Jesus Name Amen
There can be no "nothing" without "something" existing, otherwise all would be nothing which would be something.
Philosophy is a word game. Words are tools. Hard listening to people who don't know philosophy (theology is not philosophy).
Maybe the "Word" shouldn't have been deified.
they arent opponents and i wouldve otherwise watched the video now i hope noone else does so they dont get the wrong idea from your awful videos and claim to recognition you and anyone else doesnt deserve
Wy aren't you ever bringing up the law of causality
Wisdom
LOL, I love this atheist argument... our universe is born of other universes. The infinite material... what they want to believe in. Our universe has a beginning? Ohhh... it must of came from another universe. Where did that one come from? Oh... it maybe was born from another universe, and so on. All that does, is MOVE THE GOALPOSTS. They need a material substitute for an immaterial God.
Einstein did not believe in the Christian god.
Multiverse doesn't even make sense as a term. Universe is "single spoken verse" it's a term to include all things.. all things discovered and yet to be discovered...... in the discoverable "universe". Anything you discover is defacto part of the "universe".
A 5 year old kid could have said the term "multi-verse" as it's a low level play on words. It like saying biological mom, or multi-biological moms.. what if 7 women gave birth to me? they didn't. It was one. lol
It's entirely 100% irrational terminology.
The modern generation is one which believes all things are possible (all things may be possible with a deity, but not with mere man) and anything absurd (no matter how illogical) is entirely valid because they will always say "so and so thought something else was absurd once" - they even use this statement in modern culture such as films and debates. "so and so once laughed and said a man couldn't be a woman, and that light couldn't be darkness" ........ yeah and still can't and never will be.
Modern people have been dogmatically brainwashed since grade-school to accept absurdly illogical falsehoods like "you can be anything you want to be" or "anything is possible" (again with mere mortal humans). And they "religiously" believe these things and are disturbed when they hear counter-response (reality).
The ramification are in their belief that govern their decision making. If one is offended by truth, then foundationally they are believing something that has an outworking in their life... they will make decisions that are wrong, because they have a corrupt foundational understanding of "truth". They believe it to be non-absolute.
Anything you discover would expand the universe, you can't take a term like that and then make it mean something less than it's definition to satisfy a completely wacky thought you had in your mind.
There is ZERO support for the term that is the "multiverse". But people are free to live and pursue such a thought, just like your free to believe light is darkness, and men are women, or dogs are human, or you came from an ape (mathematically another thing that is impossible with DNA and the timeframe.. any timeframe). People are free to pursue illogical ends..... that doesn't validate it for conversation in a debate, or earnest pursuit of "truth" as an absolute.
When you can't understand fully the "universe" you occupy, then reach out into the ether and pull out a dumb term to flatter your own ego.
this dude does not get it, talking a lot with no sense
Would you agree that song that says nothing from nothing leaves nothing that's why you got to have something if you want to be with me oowh aoowh ooo
Science of the gaps? Yea you might as well just say you don't understand science at all.
liking your own comments is crazy bro. P.S so is not understanding a basic concept.
I challenge you to explain, how he is wrong. I guarantee your argument is flimsy at best.
@@TWI-WII it was over when u claimed he liked his own comment 🤣
guy sounds like kumail nanjiani
what a waste of oxygen
✌🏻😎🏴I can make life from non life. I can create life from basic elements. Does that make me god? Not all life is created from other life forms. Fact. I can also show you the natural process of life being created in Nature.
Nature IS life my brother. Can you show me the process of creating life or nature outside the earth and it's nature? What you said there literally means I can show you life created by life
Classic creator of own god.
Elements in chemistry sets have to be refreshed and maintained so they won't go bad. Trillion year old chemistry ain't producing jack.
Ha ha ha ha!! There’s actually multiple universes, of which we can’t see any of them. But for sure there’s no God!
Foolishness.
people don't want God.
It’s important to recognize that he will understand this in time. Living without him feels like torment, and while I’m not afraid of hell, I fear the distance from my God. My life transformed when I dedicated myself to Christ; everything changed for the better. Our reverence for God comes not from seeing Him as evil, but from the profound understanding of what it means to be apart from Him. Embracing His commandments is vital, as they guide us towards the connection we truly seek.
@@AustinLynnJ God isn't everything.U have to make Him your everything.its a difference there...people are lazy
Just read the book of Phil Lehman
Cliffe looks like a bird 🐦
Now I find that Cliffe is both an Arminian AND and evolutionist???!!! 😢 When you compromise Genesis 1 you compromise the one big redemptive story of all of scripture. God’s Word has the literal 7 days as a Gospel theme; Christ being a fulfillment of the Sabbath, which is our eternal redemption. Now instead of working to find rest (the Law no man can keep; the law that condemns ) the Christian rests (on the Lord’s Day Sabbath established in the New Covenant) and then works out of that rest they have in Christ. Also, these students will come away knowing more about evidential apologetics but very little to nothing about the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ. The Gospel is the power of God to save, the means He has ordained by which sinners hear and are brought to repentance and faith in the One and Only Savior Jesus Christ.
I would be personally willing to argue that its far more likely that god designed a system that allows for evolution, including all its faults and dead ends.
If i showed you nothing but the positive results from a billion billion random experiments, ypu would probably bow down and call me god too, does not mean I am one, does not mean it cannot have come from random chance.
huh?.. so u believe in miracles? nothing to something?
@Benji_808 where did I say that?
The opposite belief is quite literally that god came from nothing and created everything as it is now, rather than allowing for development through naturally implemented systems.
I think you have made a mistake to be honest, I'm not sure where you got that idea from.
@@mickieg1994 u basically said it could’ve came from random chance. If it’s chance then no one created it which means it came from nothing And no ur wrong. No one said god came from anywhere god is the uncaused cause.
@Benji_808 ahh ok I see the confusion
My argument is not that evolution came from nothing, more a necessary rearranging of particles and atoms, working with what was already available, same with the big bang aswell, it was all already there, just needed some rearranging.
Like I say above, we don't see the infinite number of arrangements that didn't produce life, we only see the one that did, the one we are in now and we have no idea if it was attempt one, or one hundred million, so when we look around with our rational thinking brains ofcourse we come to the conclusion that it was divinely created, no matter how many imperceptible flaws there could be, or how chaotic every other version of existence could have been.
If God is eternal then the cause for it must be cyclical, it exists because it exists.
this is where I believe the faith based, something from nothing argument comes from, not necessarily science or evolution, which in my mind is constantly trying to figure out what came before and why everything happens, not just to have faith that it came from nothing.
@johnnyrico3637 would you mind elaborating a little bit?
jesus didnt even follow the bible why are these guys so transfixed on it
Jesus directly quotes bible verses in the gospels and he also said he is not here to destroy the law but to fulfill it which he did
Please study.
Religious nonsense. The preacher's analogies are asinine.
Can you articulate why, or are you just going to use the worst debate tactic in the book. It’s called Ad Hominem.
@@noahreineke9569 Religious balderdash is clearly obvious, debate or articulation not required. Ad Hominem will do. "To debate with someone who has renounced their use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
@ In other words, you cannot articulate why you’re disagreeing? Or do you simply refuse to.
If your response was directly to them, sure. If they could see it, and you wanted to argue that with them, and that’s how you see it most effective to argue them, go right on ahead.
However, this isn’t even their channel. You’re not arguing them. You’re presenting your opinion to the public comment section below. As such, you should feel inclined to articulate that, as you’re not responding to the original source, but instead addressing a public comment section.
Please highlight what it is he is incorrect about.
@@noahreineke9569 I would need a huge amount of time to counter the Knechtle's inane bovine excretion, and then it would do little good. I highlight everything coming out of father and son's mouth as incorrect. The young man did an exceptional job, but the preachers' are clearly delusional, and quite likely beyond repair. Every single question posed was answered by with ridiculous and embarrassing nonsense. Again, the young man did a fine job and I fully endorse and align with his articulation. View it again Noah, and try engaging your baloney detection kit.
@@noahreineke9569 I'll bite noah, Cliff believes in a sort of "half-evolution", he knows theres undeniable evidence, but he cant admit it's completely true because it goes against his logic/religion.
A lion tears an antelope to pieces while it is still alive. A loving creator God ???? Think about it !!!!
@colinlavery625 a system in which life sustains life ,have you any idea how many lives thrive off of one dead whale,nothing goes to waste,just as God intended
Your argument is weak in the extreme. You have avoided addressing my point. I am talking about extreme pain and suffering. Nature "red in tooth and claw." This is God's doing. What about humans who have agonising deaths ???? An all loving creator ???. I don't think so !!!! @tjswilley5265
Read the bible on this one brother. Genesis 1:30.
Every single word of the Bible is TRUE because it says it's TRUE. That is obvious even to an atheist !!!! 🤪🤪🤪
Animals never killed each other until sin was brought into the world by man
He does great against kids. Agreed...
You mean educated young adults?why does everyone assume college students are dumb just because someone you don't like is talking to them
This man has debated scholars.
Who doesn't he do great against? He debated the best the athiests could bring many times.. it did not go well for the athiests.. who should he be debating?
@@user-ld3si9iy6s I beg to differ. He was humiliated by Dillahunty, and others.
Lessons best learned early agreed?