The Art of DENY, DEFEND, DEPOSE

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  • Опубликовано: 22 дек 2024
  • After the murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson by Luigi Mangione in this whole deny, defend, depose debacle, I want to look at the art that was inspired by this event.
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Комментарии • 148

  • @Shawn.Grenier
    @Shawn.Grenier  11 часов назад +90

    You’ve guessed it! The video is demonetized. Check out my patreon or become a member to support the channel!

    Also, the links to the artists featured in this video are in the description.

    This was my first video as Shawn Grenier! Let me know what you though!

    • @damienadama
      @damienadama 11 часов назад +2

      Really, given the content, I thought it would have passed those barriers easily.

    • @pigeon_the_brit565
      @pigeon_the_brit565 11 часов назад +2

      Its a great video, and as an aside i think being shawn grenier: the canvas is a great way to have your cake and eat it, it is your project and you aren't it and that's a good way of showing that.

    • @2IDSGT
      @2IDSGT 11 часов назад

      😆 2009 was 15 years ago… get a chair yo.

    • @NeilKelly_is_angryexpat
      @NeilKelly_is_angryexpat 10 часов назад

      Got the saintly backlight vibe nailed

  • @ricardoediza2690
    @ricardoediza2690 11 часов назад +309

    Some people are crying out “He had a wife and kids“, but the moment a whistleblower on a company mysteriously dies, they be like, “Well, what a shame these things happen“

    • @jooca
      @jooca 10 часов назад +6

      fighting ghosts

    • @BoarhideGaming
      @BoarhideGaming 10 часов назад

      I’m pretty sure the millions and millions of lower and middle class people who die every year due to the abuse of the ruling class had families too. Having a family does not absolve a CEO, especially one as him, from facing the consequences of their crimes, especially such as his. In an ideal world, a court would have sentenced him, but the justice system doesn’t mind rich criminals one bit.

    • @Insanabiliter_In_Linea
      @Insanabiliter_In_Linea 10 часов назад +23

      What I usually say to stuff like that is, "So did the thousands of people who died due to his actions."

    • @edwardgonzalez3671
      @edwardgonzalez3671 10 часов назад +3

      Oh wow I’d like to see that. Where can I find a person say oh well these things happen when a whistleblower dies. Please tell me who said that. There’s Git to be a RUclips clip. Thank you . We will wait

    • @MeChoonChannel
      @MeChoonChannel 9 часов назад

      "They be like".

  • @eliasn0671
    @eliasn0671 5 часов назад +30

    Leaving a comment to help boost this, I think looking at art right after such a historical event is so important because, should it be retained culturally, people a hundred years from now could be looking at it to understand our own feelings on it.

  • @TheLouWho2
    @TheLouWho2 11 часов назад +75

    Fascinating how history repeats itself. Over and over. Great video, thank you!

    • @VoltasP
      @VoltasP 9 часов назад

      It's because we don't teach History in our schools. We teach classes that ought to be called "Patriot brainwashing". Common lies include: "Pilgrims invited Indians to the first Thanksgiving forging lasting friendships!" "Washington was one of the good slave owners because at death he freed his slaves even though they loved working him for him, so they were really sad when he died" "We beat the English fair and square, and just one Frenchman named Lafayette helped us, we didn't need French help and France's hate-boner to hurt England certainly didn't contribute to the economic hardships that led to the French people starving!" "Slaves were happy because they were housed and fed and their souls were saved because we have the Christianity and cake walks!" "The Civil War was was about states rights!" "Indians attacked homesteaders for no reason and scalped them, even when we offered them lands and food and medicine and Christian churches so they'd never have any of their basic needs unmet, they were just being violent because violence was central to their primitive way of life!" "We got civil rights because a plucky young girl named Rosa Parks decided to sit that the front of the bus and MLK made some nice speeches and there was a march and racism was cured!" "The KKK happened a long time ago, don't worry about it." "Women got the vote because the menfolk benevolently gave them the right when they saw that women were serious about wanting a say in government." "Women got equal pay because they made speeches and burned bras, and now a woman can do anything-- Just ignore the fact that the vast majority of women are service workers, cleaners, teaching, childcare, and low paying retail jobs because those are the jobs that are the most like women's natural strengths: Caring for children and running a family! But if you're not a normal woman you can be one of those outliers who take a job that doesn't suit your natural strengths!" "Reagan was the Great Communicator and America prospered under his expert leadership."
      If history makes you feel pride and reassurance that everything will eventually turn out all right because the people in charge know what they're doing and act benevolently if you're clever and polite when making requests? You're not studying history, you're being fed propaganda.

  • @00PlPu00
    @00PlPu00 11 часов назад +80

    A literal anarchist symbol walking around is a great touch.
    I find it amazing that people on the right seem to be "moved" when it comes precisely to very basic traits of leftism: class struggle, exploitation, extinguishing classes... What do they think leftism is about?
    P.S.: I really liked the Brain Stew intro

    • @Shawn.Grenier
      @Shawn.Grenier  11 часов назад +17

      You really noticed the details!! The black cat walking was not planned, but very appreciated haha

    • @llynnmarks3382
      @llynnmarks3382 7 часов назад

      They think leftists want to take their guns and rights away because they've been lied to by the elites their whole life.

    • @staceysaurusrex2630
      @staceysaurusrex2630 6 часов назад +1

      An amalgamation of woke-scolding their favourite trashy comedy from the 2000s and communism is when no food?

    • @mariusskrupskis2042
      @mariusskrupskis2042 6 часов назад

      PLZ for the sake od.. forget this dumb concept of LEFT and RIGHT. This is the most successful illusion in action it successfully divides and rules over mases of dumb enough.

    • @TheSteveBoyd
      @TheSteveBoyd 6 часов назад

      They think leftism is about neosocial dogma. About scolding people, about cancelling people, about the insistence of mainstreaming progressive ideas and opinions about gender identity, social justice, et. al., that they haven't caught up with yet. The right have no clue what "left" or "right" even mean, except as a descriptor for their political fantasy football team. Most of everyday maga would normally lean left and don't even know it, because they've drunk the con man's kool-aid.

  • @jerrysstories711
    @jerrysstories711 11 часов назад +37

    Ooooh, the shadow is supposed to be a noose. I thought it was an incongruous guitar.

    • @reach4thesports897
      @reach4thesports897 7 часов назад +1

      it also doubles as the gunmen’s arms pointing out in front of him

  • @Megaghost_
    @Megaghost_ 9 часов назад +12

    The noose is an interesting addition. Was Luigi's fate determined from the moment he pulled the trigger or did he already had it on his neck before committing the act (because of the insurance's decisions), so that is what led him to act in the first place? I could see him as a man with a narrow margin of decision and not much else to lose. Putting himself in the position of the CEO as one of those people in charge of deciding who lives and who doesn't with impunity is a material impossibility for him, he can never do what Thompson did using a simple tool without paying the price, Thompson was a replaceable cog for the institutions he took part of, like any other person who takes part of them. One of these persons had a license to kill, the other not. There is nothing backing up Luigi, materially speaking.
    Only collective action could elicit real change. I'm not trying to deny the potential of individuals to act as triggers, but without a collective project behind them their acts only go so far.

  • @thecitizen49
    @thecitizen49 10 часов назад +43

    As a person who doesn't own a car or a TV, I was impressed that the assassin escaped on a bicycle. Not owning a car is a gateway into anarchism because the privately owned automobile is corporate capitalism most important commodity and is a symbol of wage slavery and the meaninglessness of modern life. It is also the great taboo to speak truth about our deadly, diseased obsession with the automobile. Divorce your car and cancel your lifetime subscription to the gasoline pump.

    • @sp8ced3m0nbonapathy8
      @sp8ced3m0nbonapathy8 7 часов назад

      Interesting. Except for the part where you think this was real and not staged.

    • @patcaza6166
      @patcaza6166 7 часов назад +1

      cars are prison cells with wheels

    • @blacktecno
      @blacktecno 7 часов назад

      Although I see where you are coming from many people such as small farmers are very reliant on vehicles. I can see such obsession in countries so car-centric as the US but in Europe the car gives you a ridiculous amount of freedom and it's almost a necessity when living outside of a city. I don't think we should go back to carts and horses or just plain walking. Not owning a TV is great though. More time for reading and feeding the mind.

    • @sp8ced3m0nbonapathy8
      @sp8ced3m0nbonapathy8 6 часов назад

      @blacktecno books are just a different medium for propaganda and indoctrination. Not so much different than television except for the electromagnetism.

    • @gothiiirafiii
      @gothiiirafiii Час назад

      ​@sp8ced3m0nbonapathy8 Staged or not, you have to admit that the public response goes against whatever intent the staging may have had. If this was an intentional hit put out by someone else, especially if it was by other high-up bourgeois, I highly doubt they *meant* for it to be made into a widespread call to class consciousness. Letting yourself lose all hope of this murder leading to meaningful change by dubbing it false even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the public is more than willing to tear the system down at this point by any means necessary is frighteningly passive of you. Being more willing to believe that nothing will change kills not just your own spirit, but the sprouting movement that begs you at the very least not to trample over it.

  • @George_M_
    @George_M_ 10 часов назад +8

    One could call the event itself a collaborative performance piece - the police chose to release the title of this video, after all. They knew it was going to be instantly iconic.

  • @MomirsLabTech
    @MomirsLabTech 11 часов назад +25

    My first comment got deleted (presumably because I included a link to the 404 Media article) but UHC is issuing DMCA takedowns to various online retailers for basically any product that contains art related to these events, even if its just Luigis face and the art does not contain UHC IP.

    • @botobeni
      @botobeni 7 часов назад +1

      Ytube doesn't like any link in general. My comments never stay with links in them.

  • @getcrepuscular9755
    @getcrepuscular9755 3 часа назад +3

    The black cat is a nice touch

  • @insomnamygdala
    @insomnamygdala 2 часа назад

    absolutely radical video.
    I knew about Punk With a Camera, but I didn't know they did so much for pushing out that conversation - I only knew them for their band coverage. you're making me look at them with a new lens and look into more of their work.
    the stuff from Brandon at PWAC was great to hear, and made me feel like we're finally taking a step somewhere at the base of the culture. this last month has definitely been one of the first times i was able to start and enjoy a conversation with several people around me who usually avoid the 'taboo' radical conversations. I feel able to give definitions to societal issues easier now with the coverage and appreciation of some of the art around this Event.
    awesome use of the fog machine btw, dynamically changes your scene in an interesting way as the conversation went on.

  • @VoltasP
    @VoltasP 9 часов назад +6

    Revachol?? Oh damn, that was the name of the town in Disco Elysium!! Highly recommended game, btw, it's an open world psychological detective mystery game that can either be a small town mystery full of quirky characters that turns into a journey of self-recovery, a paraphysical drug trip where you plumb the depths of the soul and the underlying mysteries of a world almost but not entirely unlike our own, a tense cop drama where the main character is trying to atone for his sins but can't do it without using booze as a crutch, or a deep political explorations of the virtues and vices of every place on the political spectrum. But more likely you're going to want to explore ALL of those, so it will be a little of all of that.
    Tons of game critics have covered it, but it really ought to be considered playable art.

  • @MHDebidour
    @MHDebidour 8 часов назад +17

    Talk about anachism >> Black cat arrive

  • @glennlavertu3644
    @glennlavertu3644 11 часов назад +9

    So that shadow had me confused for a while. I wish it were more obviously a noose. At first I thought it was a parking meter or maybe a bad looking guitar... it didn't scream noose to me, and it should have.
    Otherwise it's a great and powerful piece.

  • @flatbunny
    @flatbunny 10 часов назад +3

    Great video. Always nice to see some punk and anarchist art featured.

  • @fellowcitizen
    @fellowcitizen 11 часов назад +4

    Thanks!⭐

  • @leoknight7763
    @leoknight7763 5 часов назад

    I appreciate you bringing attention to this, I didn't even hear about this story. It gives me hope, so thank you for bringing it to your audience, new and old :)

  • @CooperRust
    @CooperRust 11 часов назад +4

    Oh this gonna be fun

  • @sfinxen1917
    @sfinxen1917 11 часов назад +3

    Great video, deny, defend, depose!

  • @Andre-qo5ek
    @Andre-qo5ek 7 часов назад +1

    capturing the narrative is super important.

  • @MasonAlex-f9p
    @MasonAlex-f9p 2 часа назад

    my 2 interpretations:
    dеny the propaganda
    dеfend the people
    dеpose the powerful
    dеny the propaganda
    dеfend our clause
    dеpose their argument

  • @mustbeaweful2504
    @mustbeaweful2504 4 часа назад

    Maybe you feel the same way, but as a Canadian, I'm in a weird place where I'm so hopeful that our neighbors get something good out of this turmoil, and at the same time feel exhausted by such turmoil spectacle.

  • @besteven
    @besteven 11 часов назад +1

    Thank you for posting!

  • @michaelhaxson2908
    @michaelhaxson2908 3 часа назад

    I’m still waiting for my shirt to be shipped by punkwithacamera

  • @Insanabiliter_In_Linea
    @Insanabiliter_In_Linea 10 часов назад +1

    Punk with a Camera mentioned! Love that channel to death, if this helps them blow up even more I will be extremely happy. I've found so many great bands and fantastic merch from them over the years, they're great.

  • @Drakonak
    @Drakonak 5 часов назад

    I did not expect to see Brandon interviewed here! Really cool

  • @Bedonkabonk
    @Bedonkabonk 11 часов назад +6

    3:00 The system becomes more oppressive: Luigi merch with original art that people are trying to sell online is being hit with bogus copyright strikes.
    I think your video will be taken down if anyone in power or that one misguided restaurant employee sees it.

    • @Girth_BrooksC3
      @Girth_BrooksC3 11 часов назад

      So are you calling the restaurant employee misguided because they turned him in?

    • @00PlPu00
      @00PlPu00 11 часов назад

      @@Girth_BrooksC3 Fair, isn't it?

    • @Girth_BrooksC3
      @Girth_BrooksC3 11 часов назад +1

      @@00PlPu00 fair to call them misguided? No, not everyone shares the same views. Nor are they as politically motivated as everyone else. Maybe they didn’t look that deep into it and thought they were reporting a murderer. Idk. It just feels a little backhanded to me.

    • @00PlPu00
      @00PlPu00 11 часов назад +1

      @@Girth_BrooksC3 So literally no one can ever be called "misguided", as every position is a good as the next.
      To use your framing, if they did not look enough into it, they lacked "knowledge", "guidance" :)

  • @xavierbarrette566
    @xavierbarrette566 10 часов назад

    Félicitations d’avoir pris la décision de changer de cap, d’aligner cette chaîne avec la personne que tu es maintenant, c’est tout à ton honneur. En plus de profiter de ta plateforme pour promouvoir des valeurs qui te tiennent à coeur, ça me semble d’autant plus authentique, que c’en soit la cause ou le résultat. Take care Shawn.

  • @Janizzary
    @Janizzary 9 часов назад

    I literally got an email of my Spade "Deny Defend Depose" t-shirt shipment about 5 minutes before this video appeared on my feed!

  • @madi22908
    @madi22908 4 часа назад +2

    Not capitalism. Bro healthcare is a banking system. Banking insurance money regulations are what’s the problem

    • @krehnah7541
      @krehnah7541 4 часа назад +2

      lmaoooo

    • @sopa4518
      @sopa4518 2 часа назад

      😂

    • @tticusFinch
      @tticusFinch Час назад

      Also the current state of the US isn't a true capitalist system anymore. Too much has been muddied through govt intervention and lobbying for the self-correcting aspects of capitalism to take place. Now you have some kind of corporatism under the guise of capitalism.

  • @FedericoMontesdeoca-p7h
    @FedericoMontesdeoca-p7h 55 минут назад

    I think its the Robin hood role,or efect,we could said(about the fact that a worker kills a powerfull,MrBurns)

  • @ianmurrell209
    @ianmurrell209 31 минуту назад

    Political cartoonist Michael Leunig dead recently. His art and poetry are moving.

  • @PopeSaltyI
    @PopeSaltyI 5 часов назад +4

    I think we need to be careful with blaming capitalism in general. If that is your belief, fine. But it isn't a popular one, even now. And broad criticisms of it beg the question: "And replace it with what?" I think the more accurate place to put the blame is on largely-unregulated corporate capitalism. It's a less divisive answer, particularly in the wake of greed-flation (or as I call it, reverse shoplifting) - and the solution is both obvious and non-controversial, at least to most working Americans

    • @lobstermash
      @lobstermash 2 часа назад

      Agreed, and it's an important distinction. The lack of regulation is the problem, not capitalism per se. First world countries that have universal health care are all capitalist economies.

    • @tticusFinch
      @tticusFinch Час назад

      I made a similar comment elsewhere on this video. Lobbying and govt intervention has muddied the waters such that America isn't a pure capitalist system but a kind of corporatism under the guise of "moral" capitalism.

  • @manualuser
    @manualuser 11 часов назад +3

    👀

  • @christopherdavis8248
    @christopherdavis8248 11 часов назад +3

    great history lesson/video.

  • @jashimara
    @jashimara 5 часов назад

    Disco Elysium mentioned!

  • @krehnah7541
    @krehnah7541 9 часов назад

    5:07 i love PWAC live music sessions

  • @kidmohair8151
    @kidmohair8151 5 часов назад

    i have nothing pertinent to add.

  • @marvelfanno1
    @marvelfanno1 11 часов назад +5

    Such an underared video. Needs a mill views asap

  • @tomastedeschini5541
    @tomastedeschini5541 10 часов назад

    Hey Shawn, would you mind disablig the automatic translation for your video titles? I don't know why this feature cannot be controlled by each user and it is determined by the creator. The translations you get are way too literal and not helpful at all. Thanks for the original insight you bring with each one of your videos (mistranslated or otherwise :D), they are a delight both to see and hear!

  • @deathdoor
    @deathdoor 10 часов назад

    4:24 EXCEPT in one place...

  • @est8793
    @est8793 9 часов назад +1

    Maybe blame Obamacare?

  • @jfu5222
    @jfu5222 9 часов назад +3

    CLASS aWAReness!

  • @vsaucelover9660
    @vsaucelover9660 11 часов назад

    Neat

  • @ivorycybernetics
    @ivorycybernetics 11 часов назад +1

    what comes after capitalism..?

    • @somefishs7274
      @somefishs7274 11 часов назад

      This guy released a hour plus long video on Malatesta. You take a wild guess

    • @legendarygigolo823
      @legendarygigolo823 4 часа назад

      @@somefishs7274 oh just another failed venture into socialism then death probably

    • @IINVIZIB7E
      @IINVIZIB7E 7 минут назад

      nothing good

  • @a3a2_m
    @a3a2_m 5 часов назад

    :)

  • @king-ss7un
    @king-ss7un 11 часов назад +9

    I find that this channel is getting more and more extreme on a political scale, that of course is only my opinion, but I preferred the channel when it was more about focusing on historic artworks.

    • @00PlPu00
      @00PlPu00 11 часов назад +22

      Well, there is nothing wrong with being extreme. For example, I am extremely against child labour. And before you call it common sense, remember that leftists had to fight against it in the places where it has been banned.

    • @karamsingh1236
      @karamsingh1236 9 часов назад +6

      Everything in everybodys life is shaped politics.

    • @lupinzar
      @lupinzar 8 часов назад +7

      You weren't paying attention. The channel has had political commentary for some time.

    • @paul1720
      @paul1720 8 часов назад +10

      It's instructive that you don't actually qualify what is 'extreme' about their positions, just that they are. Also, the idea that historic artworks are mutually exclusive to politics is absurd on its face.

    • @morphingfaces
      @morphingfaces 6 часов назад

      Historical pieces of art are political the extreme thing to do is to stay silent while people's lives are destroyed and the planet's life sustaining viability is in extreme jeopardy by a exploitative system of consumption and endless profit for the one percent

  • @HamzaEnnaciri
    @HamzaEnnaciri 11 часов назад

    He has a great ideology

  • @Eclecticompany
    @Eclecticompany 11 часов назад

    No more Green Day pls Shawn.

  • @jolotabani
    @jolotabani 11 часов назад +1

    Why?

  • @patcaza6166
    @patcaza6166 6 часов назад

    Merci !

  • @legendarygigolo823
    @legendarygigolo823 4 часа назад

    As soon as you justify cowardly ambushing and stealing a person's life to "change the system", you've lost all morality and you've lost the whole game. Critiquing this cringe doodle as some important historical piece of art with a deep message is really off the mark too. I'm not a fan of every aspect of United Healthcare's business practices either but Luigi's supporters are some insidious mfs. If you believe in what he did was right then you also must believe that someone else could subjectively judge you as the cause of their problems as well.

  • @jooca
    @jooca 10 часов назад +4

    cringey ass video

    • @00PlPu00
      @00PlPu00 10 часов назад +6

      I suggest you make your comment useful by stating why

    • @bloomins8088
      @bloomins8088 10 часов назад +3

      Cringe comment

    • @codenamekendall2780
      @codenamekendall2780 8 часов назад +3

      Can't even give a reason why 😂

  • @damienadama
    @damienadama 11 часов назад +2

    I would be very careful if you choose to follow or watch this guys videos. Be very aware of his language and ideological beliefs.

    • @00PlPu00
      @00PlPu00 11 часов назад +18

      Oooohh spoooky

    • @HighbrakeChannel
      @HighbrakeChannel 11 часов назад +3

      I went through all of his videos and I think it completely changed my world view. The Mona Lisa is overrated.

    • @xavierbarrette566
      @xavierbarrette566 10 часов назад +5

      Careful? Could you tell us precisely what is dangerous about his « language and ideological beliefs »? Realizing where the problem is coming from should not be dangerous, and if it is, gotta ask yourself a few questions.

  • @2IDSGT
    @2IDSGT 11 часов назад

    You think we have capitalism? 🤔

    • @somefishs7274
      @somefishs7274 11 часов назад

      Yes?

    • @gobgobcachoo
      @gobgobcachoo 11 часов назад +11

      My guy, a billionaire just derailed a congressional bill because he wants something from them

    • @HighbrakeChannel
      @HighbrakeChannel 11 часов назад +5

      Not just capitalism. An oligarchy as well.

  • @sp8ced3m0nbonapathy8
    @sp8ced3m0nbonapathy8 7 часов назад

    Fake and scripted

  • @keithdavis82
    @keithdavis82 11 часов назад +2

    Wow! This is crap.

  • @29Isaacs
    @29Isaacs 10 часов назад

    Shit.

  • @weiweizb
    @weiweizb 51 минуту назад

    SiCKO | A Film by Michael Moore | 2007 | Full Movie ruclips.net/video/YbEQ7acb0IE/видео.htmlsi=Sl3gpC799tZpuqPG

  • @crackerjackmack
    @crackerjackmack 10 часов назад +2

    I really like your content and analysis. Especially if you can talk to the artist!! It's your channel, you do you, but for me, I'd prefer an analysis without your personal biases. The reason being is I lack the ability to understand art and want to appreciate it properly. I've agreed and disagreed with your opinions you've shared in your videos but it colors how I can interrupt both the artist's and your artistic work.
    This was a respectful request and it's your channel. My only power is to leave a comment. Thank you for [maybe] reading.

    • @Mr.Volcanoes22
      @Mr.Volcanoes22 8 часов назад +3

      It's impossible to analyze anything without personal bias. This channel has also been pretty openly political for a long time.

    • @crackerjackmack
      @crackerjackmack 7 часов назад

      @Mr.Volcanoes22 maybe I'm a late to the channel then as I've only recently binged on it this year or so. All good here.