Trophy, another great video. I’ve taken a similar approach but started in Gevrey Chambertin. I agree that some are a little acidic and bright cherry. Based on this video I think I’ll move to Chambolle Musigny next as the style sounds more to my liking. I generally go village first and then step up to the bigger boys if I find something I like.
7:05 Interesting talk, I found a 2012 Chambolle-Musigny premier cru for 86€ (95$) because it was listed the same price as the 2017, which also went for 86€. Not opening yet, but fairly soon. Also some Oliver Leflaive 1er cru volnay 2014 for 40€ from Cote Beaune
Nice video- I liked it a lot, and your idea of focusing in on a village is fantastic approach. Chambolle can make some delicious wines, though they are frightfully expensive. I really do struggle to justify spending $100 on a village, $200 on a 1er cru, and $300+++ on a top 1er cru like Amoureuses. Like most Burgundy wines, I find Chambolle-Musigny to be a bit of a minefield. I wonder if you could try and identify some village level producers that are worth buying. These might represent somewhat of a value. Unfortunately, spending more doesn't always get you better wine in Burgundy. But on the flip side, that means there are some (relative) values to be found!
noahcap: I will try to find some good value for viewers. There is a declassified wine I just picked up so that could be a steal but let me taste and review first. Cheers!
Great information. We usually pair red burgundy with brie and camembert at our wine club. I also agree with your point about starting with the negociant wines from in burgundy , especially in the Côte de Nuits where the prices high. However, I do think burgundy offers a unique taste which can't be had from anywhere else and it is remarkable that many of the climats are just a few hectares in size making in possible to really pinpoint where your wine is coming from.
Henri: I agree but with places like Chambolle, it is so expensive that is really hard to "discover". I am hoping some of my individual wine reviews can help viewers shortlist some wines/producers as it would take a lot of money to taste through all the different wines and book learning is only good for general information. Cheers!
@@TrophyWineHunterI agree with this. It is possible to some extent but it takes a lot of work researching, reading, checking maps, and cross referencing other sources, and reading reviews. I'm not sure many people have the time or are willing to do the "deep dive". Even after reading about all of the Chambolle-Musigny vineyards is Jasper Morris' book, I then had to research producers that had wines in my price range in the 1er cru vineyards I was intersted in. Once finding those, I then had to research that producer to try and determine something about the house style. Then maybe, I can buy a wine. In Chambolle, this led me to Domaine Bertheau Les Charmes as the vineyard is well regarded, nearer to Amoureuses which seems to have the style of wine I am more intersted in, and the producer is known for being more non interventionalist and classic. In the end after spening all of that time I decided to start with a negociant wine that is a blend of 1er crus, maybe not ideal, but nearly half the price, still gets good press and will be a good introudction to the appellation. So I hope. I would've purchased the Domaine Bertheau but I just wasn't ready to commit to six bottles at that price. I did get the Bertheau village leven Chambolle which I'll compare to the negociant 1er cru as the prices were so far off one another.
@@GreatNate it is so tough with Burgundy because every time you "try", you are talking about $100+. So I can see why you would want to do research before you buy. I have heard good things about Bertheau also but never tried. I do have a great Burgundy producer that I am buying that I am saving for my "Top 5 Wineries to Watch Out For" video...which I will hopefully make shortly. I actually think you should start with Cote Chalonnaise or Village level wines of the producer first...that will give you idea of the style and quality. Any 1er Cru still sets you back quite a lot. I am hopeful my videos help people get a sense of the wines/producers from a consumer tasting perspective. Cheers!
@@TrophyWineHunter Good advice to try their village level wines first. I've had lot's of village level wines all around burgundy. I think the problem is, I am not so picky as much as I am finding something that I like about most places. IT's a hard place to be I guess with Burgundy prices being what they are.
Dadbod: thank you for viewing my video and your comment. Les Fuees is closer to Bonnes Mares so more structured wines. In my opinion, totally different than Amoureuses, which is more fragrant and elegant. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!
It is interesting also to compare Volnay to Chambolle as they are generally thought to share some key characteristics. Pousse d’or has both so that would have been a very interesting comparison. As for value producers, if one can use that term about Burgundy anymore, check out Dom. Patrice Rion, made a lovely Charmes and Les Cras 2019.
breathewithme: thank you for the tip on Patrice Rion...I will look out for it. I find Volnay a bit more structured and not as ethereal as Chambolle. Cheers!
What makes Chambolle unique? I agree with you that this is difficult to explain but I like to see it as the Margaux of the cote the nuits. As in the most feminine, with a soft and round texture. I think with your knowledge of Bordeaux you will understand the association with Margaux and what makes Chambolle this unique. Next step is why is it this unique? Terroir, that may be a interesting topic for a next video on Chambolle or burgundy.
Lars: I like your analogy to Margaux region wines. Again, I am still discovering this region. I have my preliminary ideas but need more tasting experience to substantiate my views. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!
Again you didnt actually taste the wine. Thats what i find interssting. Not All the explanation stuff. Anyway All appelations in Nuits st Georges is way too expensive for me now. Except Cote de nuits village wines.Its still possible but difficult to find Cote de Beane wines that are not outrageusly expensive. Its a Shame. Years back you could buy These wines at the domaines at reasonbly Prices. Those Days are Long gone. Might i also suggest you sometimes taste wines blind?
Nikolaj: I have actually tasted a number of these wines. Please see the end of the video where there are links to these tastings or you can search my channel for these tastings: just search under Pousse D'Or as I have tasted both the 2013 Les Amoureuses and Bonnes Mares and I have done reviews on both of these wines. I actually did a video on Macon and Cote Chalonnaise wines also but you probably won't like those videos since those are my basics series so you can skip those but look at the other 80% of my videos which are wine reviews. I started doing these videos as some viewers prefer more general videos so I try to give some variety to my viewers. I am not a believer in blind tastings unless you are actually in the wine industry and your job depends on it. See my video on blind tastings. In my opinion, it is fun but really not that informative and you can see my video as I go through my rationale. Probably I am not a great blind taster! Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!
Trophy, another great video. I’ve taken a similar approach but started in Gevrey Chambertin. I agree that some are a little acidic and bright cherry. Based on this video I think I’ll move to Chambolle Musigny next as the style sounds more to my liking. I generally go village first and then step up to the bigger boys if I find something I like.
Good plan. Cheers!
Great contextualization of the theme.
Thx. Cheers!
7:05 Interesting talk, I found a 2012 Chambolle-Musigny premier cru for 86€ (95$) because it was listed the same price as the 2017, which also went for 86€. Not opening yet, but fairly soon. Also some Oliver Leflaive 1er cru volnay 2014 for 40€ from Cote Beaune
klaus: thank you for viewing my video and taking the time to leave a comment. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!
Fuees is an extension of Bonnes Mares
Yes, kinda like what Amoureuses is to Musigny. Cheers!
Nice video- I liked it a lot, and your idea of focusing in on a village is fantastic approach. Chambolle can make some delicious wines, though they are frightfully expensive. I really do struggle to justify spending $100 on a village, $200 on a 1er cru, and $300+++ on a top 1er cru like Amoureuses. Like most Burgundy wines, I find Chambolle-Musigny to be a bit of a minefield. I wonder if you could try and identify some village level producers that are worth buying. These might represent somewhat of a value. Unfortunately, spending more doesn't always get you better wine in Burgundy. But on the flip side, that means there are some (relative) values to be found!
noahcap: I will try to find some good value for viewers. There is a declassified wine I just picked up so that could be a steal but let me taste and review first. Cheers!
Great information. We usually pair red burgundy with brie and camembert at our wine club. I also agree with your point about starting with the negociant wines from in burgundy , especially in the Côte de Nuits where the prices high. However, I do think burgundy offers a unique taste which can't be had from anywhere else and it is remarkable that many of the climats are just a few hectares in size making in possible to really pinpoint where your wine is coming from.
Henri: I agree but with places like Chambolle, it is so expensive that is really hard to "discover". I am hoping some of my individual wine reviews can help viewers shortlist some wines/producers as it would take a lot of money to taste through all the different wines and book learning is only good for general information. Cheers!
@@TrophyWineHunterI agree with this. It is possible to some extent but it takes a lot of work researching, reading, checking maps, and cross referencing other sources, and reading reviews. I'm not sure many people have the time or are willing to do the "deep dive". Even after reading about all of the Chambolle-Musigny vineyards is Jasper Morris' book, I then had to research producers that had wines in my price range in the 1er cru vineyards I was intersted in. Once finding those, I then had to research that producer to try and determine something about the house style. Then maybe, I can buy a wine. In Chambolle, this led me to Domaine Bertheau Les Charmes as the vineyard is well regarded, nearer to Amoureuses which seems to have the style of wine I am more intersted in, and the producer is known for being more non interventionalist and classic. In the end after spening all of that time I decided to start with a negociant wine that is a blend of 1er crus, maybe not ideal, but nearly half the price, still gets good press and will be a good introudction to the appellation. So I hope. I would've purchased the Domaine Bertheau but I just wasn't ready to commit to six bottles at that price. I did get the Bertheau village leven Chambolle which I'll compare to the negociant 1er cru as the prices were so far off one another.
@@GreatNate it is so tough with Burgundy because every time you "try", you are talking about $100+. So I can see why you would want to do research before you buy.
I have heard good things about Bertheau also but never tried. I do have a great Burgundy producer that I am buying that I am saving for my "Top 5 Wineries to Watch Out For" video...which I will hopefully make shortly.
I actually think you should start with Cote Chalonnaise or Village level wines of the producer first...that will give you idea of the style and quality. Any 1er Cru still sets you back quite a lot. I am hopeful my videos help people get a sense of the wines/producers from a consumer tasting perspective. Cheers!
@@TrophyWineHunter Good advice to try their village level wines first. I've had lot's of village level wines all around burgundy. I think the problem is, I am not so picky as much as I am finding something that I like about most places. IT's a hard place to be I guess with Burgundy prices being what they are.
@@GreatNate 😀😀
Bill Nanson of the Burgundy Report prefers Mugniers 1er Les Fuées over Bonnes Mares and Amoureuses.
Dadbod: thank you for viewing my video and your comment. Les Fuees is closer to Bonnes Mares so more structured wines. In my opinion, totally different than Amoureuses, which is more fragrant and elegant. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!
It is interesting also to compare Volnay to Chambolle as they are generally thought to share some key characteristics. Pousse d’or has both so that would have been a very interesting comparison. As for value producers, if one can use that term about Burgundy anymore, check out Dom. Patrice Rion, made a lovely Charmes and Les Cras 2019.
breathewithme: thank you for the tip on Patrice Rion...I will look out for it. I find Volnay a bit more structured and not as ethereal as Chambolle. Cheers!
What makes Chambolle unique? I agree with you that this is difficult to explain but I like to see it as the Margaux of the cote the nuits. As in the most feminine, with a soft and round texture. I think with your knowledge of Bordeaux you will understand the association with Margaux and what makes Chambolle this unique. Next step is why is it this unique? Terroir, that may be a interesting topic for a next video on Chambolle or burgundy.
Lars: I like your analogy to Margaux region wines. Again, I am still discovering this region. I have my preliminary ideas but need more tasting experience to substantiate my views. Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!
Again you didnt actually taste the wine. Thats what i find interssting. Not All the explanation stuff. Anyway All appelations in Nuits st Georges is way too expensive for me now. Except Cote de nuits village wines.Its still possible but difficult to find Cote de Beane wines that are not outrageusly expensive. Its a Shame. Years back you could buy These wines at the domaines at reasonbly Prices. Those Days are Long gone. Might i also suggest you sometimes taste wines blind?
Nikolaj: I have actually tasted a number of these wines. Please see the end of the video where there are links to these tastings or you can search my channel for these tastings: just search under Pousse D'Or as I have tasted both the 2013 Les Amoureuses and Bonnes Mares and I have done reviews on both of these wines.
I actually did a video on Macon and Cote Chalonnaise wines also but you probably won't like those videos since those are my basics series so you can skip those but look at the other 80% of my videos which are wine reviews. I started doing these videos as some viewers prefer more general videos so I try to give some variety to my viewers.
I am not a believer in blind tastings unless you are actually in the wine industry and your job depends on it. See my video on blind tastings. In my opinion, it is fun but really not that informative and you can see my video as I go through my rationale. Probably I am not a great blind taster!
Please like, subscribe and keep watching. Cheers!