Hospital bans Electric Car owners - says they 'Could Explode'
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- Hospital bans Electric Car owners - says they 'Could Explode'
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EV owners should avoid hospitals, along with everyone else. Hospitals are dangerous places to go, especially if you are sick.
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LOL
more people die in hospitals then anywhere else in the world.
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Hello! I'm the guy who rocked up to the hospital. I'd like to clarify that it wasn't for an emergency... it was a planned appointment in a smaller building next to the main hospital with its own car park (we'd never been there before). It's also not quite fair on the hospital to say "I've not received a response". They have 20 working days to respond to me, they've acknowledged receipt of my FOI request and confirmed they will respond. It's true that the main carpark does allow EVs (and in fact has chargers there) and in fact I parked there 2 days before as I was at the main hospital for another reason. (Twice in a week - very rare!) There's a video on my channel where I tell the full story and discuss it in more details, so please feel free to have a watch of that (not posting the link here as comment will likely be held for review if I do!)
Ignorance is bliss they say and a little knowledge is dangerous, well I think this story proves both
I'm only 77 years old, and I have already seen one automobile catch fire. It wasn't an electric.
One thing I would add is - it is well known that water wont put out an EV fire, so upgrading the fire sprinkler system is entirely down to the risk of an ICE car brewing up.
Another statement from Alder Hey also claimed the "ban" was a miss-communication, and it was updating the EV chargers in that particular car park; and the sign was supposed to warn EV drivers that the chargers were out of service.
Meanwhile, the big 4 car leasing companies in the UK confirmed yet again, that not one of the hundreds of thousands of EVs they run - has caught on fire so far.
A couple of months ago I went to a hospital in Melbourne Oz and parked in the basement car park. About a quarter of the carpark was taken up by hospital cars plugged into their chargers.
In a statement issued to the BBC, Alder Hey hospital said following advice from Merseyside Fire and Rescue it had "temporarily restricted the parking of electric vehicles in one of our smaller car parks while we upgrade its fire sprinkler system. They can park in the other car parks. Alder Hey comment “Electric vehicles are still able to park in our main hospital car park". The statement also said that car park has 14 spaces with EV charging points. Consequently, has an EV driver he’s seen has a class A numpty in Merseyside now Alder Hey has responded, the charging detail is on their website for goodness’s sake. All he has done is given a narrative to the national right wing newspapers that are anti-ev and pro-big oil.
I was about to put the same comment on. It's just a tempory restriction while they upgrade the sprinkler system. The main car park has had the upgrades and even has EV chargers in it! It's a complete non story but been jumped on by the anti-EV nut jobs.
I would have added the same.
Can you translate " Consequently has an EV driver he’s seen has a class A numpty in Merseyside now Alder Hey has responded, the charging detail" please. And what's "numpty"?
@@Fomites Simple the hospital and the Merseyside Fire and Rescue have explained the situation and EV locations available the BBC give the official response has did the Liverpool echo, the safety system is being brought up to standard to the new regulations for Electric and Hydrogen Vehicles. The hospital has to follow the instructions of the Fire and Rescue advice in accordance with the Health and Safety executive and latest Department of Transport instructions. Consequently given the other larger car parks availability has detailed on the hospital website, with in one case significant charging capacity, it does look somewhat contrived. Numpty is originally Scottish but has been adopted into British slang, Google will explain.
@@Fomites numpty is a slightly more polite way for calling someone an idiot.
Mental hospital?
The hospital is a world leading and renowned Children’s hospital, the instructions came from Merseyside Fire and Rescue, so you do what you’re told.
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As someone has already said, it's a childrens hospital and having visited there it's a pretty sad place to visit. I turned up once on a day job to visit to find a couple of parents in tears. When you understand that it's a childrens hospital and you go past the place of worship and see recently bereaved parents, that's not how you want to start your day. I recognise internet humour of course but when you've been to any place like this, it's also possible to understand the significance of words.
My understanding is that the hospital has multiple carparks, but they were advised by the fire brigade to restrict access to one until the sprinkler system was upgraded.
Correct all national Electrical Fire and Safety and Building specifications and regulations have been upgraded to accommodate EV and hydrogen vehicles safety. This car park was close to EVs by the Merseyside Fire and Rescue until its upgraded to specifications. The hospital has other large car parks, one with a 14 place charger system. The EV driver has come in for a lot of criticism in the North West for basic incompetence, unfortunately he provided a brilliant narrative for the national right-wing papers that are anti-ev.
Here is the stupidity of that statement. The hospital is equipped with mobile ECG machines, blood pressure monitors and general monitors at every bed. Each one of those have a lithium iron battery, in an average hospital we are talking hundreds of lithium iron batteries. Is there any instance of one catching alight anywhere?
Small batteries that if damaged can be contained, vs very large batteries that can’t be easily contained. There’s a significant difference.
The same thing applies for electric scooters, the batteries can't be contained if theres a fire, theres just too much energy. So you should keep them outside.
@@quokka7555 electric car or scooter battery fires are rare
It’s got nothing to do with equipment in the hospital. In the U.K. we have these magical things called Electric, Fire prevention and Building specifications and regulations these have recently gone through major upgrade to accommodate new EV and Hydrogen vehicles which include the retro upgrade of existing car parks. Petrol and Diesel vehicles can park because the car park meets the specifications for them and there are loads more of them. The car park was closed to EV’s under the instructions of the Merseyside Fire and Rescue whilst it was upgraded to meet these new specifications for EV and Hydrogen vehicles. There are several other large car parks one with charging covering 14 places for EVs, the full narrative was published in the North West, the national right wing media pushes an anti-EV narrative. I am surprised at Sam falling for it.
@@quokka7555 so what do you do with objects that contain a mobile petrol container that could easily explode ?
@@quokka7555 Another muppet 🤣
I’m amazed any saw/took notice of the bottom line on the sign saying no EV.
I hate the liars and corrupt assholes in the world we live in. Makes me sad.
Frustrating isn't it!
Not only could explode, but do explode. It was a Diesel hybrid Range Rover. The battery is beneath the passenger seat. This is where the jets of flame were seen venting. White smoke and hot enough to destroy the metal in the concrete of the car park floor.
@electricviking,
This reminds me of the stories I heard about when the medical community encouraged smoking.
I thought that it was vaping? That worked out well didn't it.
Excellent news. Doesn't matter if EV fires are rare by comparison. The words thermal runaway are NEVER used in petrol cars.
Ignition is exactly that.
Did the Director of manufacturing (cybertruck) for Tesla just got "let go" or retrenched.? Electrek has reported it. Renjie Zhu is the name.
That Hospital should be investigated, what is really going on there if they have such a poor grasp on evidence based practice.
Meanwhile our local freeway was shutdown for hours from a diesel semi catching on fire (and was not in an accident). The cab / engine compartment was burned down and they had to spray a lot of water on the rig which was hauling bags of cement which got wet and was hardening.
I've been saving that $1,500 for 5 years.
The hospital visit was for a scheduled appointment, not an emergency. Also: "Alder Hey Children’s Hospital, in Liverpool, said in a statement to the BBC that after advice from Merseyside Fire and Rescue it had 'temporarily restricted the parking of electric vehicles in one of our smaller car parks while we upgrade its fire sprinkler system'. It added that electric cars could park in 14 dedicated spaces with charging points in its main car park."
"You can't park there mate. You've got an EV"...... My favorite sentence.
And a fight ensues 😂😂😂
What's funny is the police released the video of the start of that fire the day after it happened. It's here on RUclips in fact. Neither the car that started the fire or the cars in proximity to it are EV's.
Wasn’t this ban based on the recommendations from Mersey Fire Services and related to upgrading the fire sprinkler systems. Whilst I agree that the EV fires are rare I believe the fire department is talking about the intensity of thermal runaway fires that they claim cannot be extinguished in the same way a petrol car can be??
NHS is a basket case these days, The clowns running it need to be sacked. Uber drivers in Sydney can make more than surgeons with 20years experience in London under the NHS (not private). The waiting list for a simple procedure can take 2years. Our NSW health system is like gold compared to the UK crap NHS.
Ahhhhh Liverpool! They still drive steam engines 😂😂😂
I’m surprised anyone watched the car park that closely. I frequently charge my car at a hospital and most/many hospitals in Houston have EV charging blocks. (Sometimes they are in the private parking area though so be aware.)
I have seen car parks with fireproofing on the ceiling.
Morning and cheers!
It may be a very small chance of the EV catching fire but it does happen.
It could be an ICE car catches fire & sets fire to the EV, & then there is a catistrophic fire.
The toxic fumes from an EV fire can kill or main a human very quickly in a confined space.
In US they have huge special blanket to throw over the car but fire trucks cant fit in most car parks.
Also the firemen would have to wear Hazmat suits for an EV fire but not for an ICE fire
You should re-read your headline Sam, it reads ‘Electric Car Owners banned as they could explode’. Would be very messy inside the wards!
I think there's a problem that some people can't tell the difference between low-cost (bad battery, bad system) electric bicycles that can explode and electric cars that are much safer.
In Thailand, there was news of an electric bicycle causing a whole house to burn down. (That cheap e-bike is charging.)But the news was written that it is an "electric vehicle", leads people to believing that "electric cars" are also unsafe too.
Sprinkler systems aren’t a good strategy. Parking garages should have an EV blanket on hand, which is probably a lot charger than upgrading the sprinklers.
Where does the 80 times less likely probability comes from? I know a 61 and a 19 times study.
Thousands of cars! Yea,right Thousands of vehicles burned 🔥 I don't think the parking garage was Thousands of cars.
My VW Jetta leaked petrol in the engine bay and almost caught fire. Are they gonna ban all Jettas?
Its due to insurance on a carpark being more hard to get after the airport carpark fire..
That’s ridiculous. We all know that gasoline-fueled cars have a much, much higher incidence and potential for fires.
The penguin on top of your television could explode too, but it probably won’t.
I always find it crazy, elctricity is in everyones home and most people are very happy to have mains gas pipes runing into their homes for cooking and heating. They all carry mobile phones that contain batteries in their pockets or bags and batteries will be inside many items inside the hospital.
This is total rubbish and risk is far less than the chance of a vehicle carrying a flammable liquid around.
The problem when an organisation comes out of ignorance to do these things, is that it verifies the argument for many people.
The NSW Fire Brigade strongly disagrees with your risk assessment of EV fires....
Local fire and rescue!! what do they know about fires??
Keep up Dude, MGUY covered this story days ago.
How many absurd rules and regs were placed on the first cars? Lots.
A hospital not operating on facts😮
Yeah, but I am sure they are completely up to date on the latest treatments for cancer...
If somebody had Nefarious intent they would just go around setting electric cars on fire with the incendiary devices while running around screaming it just combusted.
I mean those cars get keyed up all the time. People be crazy..
The parking lot is not the problem. Check the injuries in the emergency rooms.
Underground EU car parks are extremely toxic with so many diesels. That should be banned, and clean the toxic dust out.
Here in California yesterday I unfortunately forgot to use recirculation mode while following a diesel truck and have felt like my chest has been toxic dust poisoned since. It's really awful.
A lawsuit is in order here! Perhaps they should ban Range Rovers.😏
That’s your problem Sam everything comes straight from google. Ask not google. what’s the most common cause of ice cars and hybrids catching fire. Garantee it’s electrical
Thanks Sam I’ve worked in mining for over 25 years and have been in and seen a lot of Diesel Vehicles Fires . EVs are the future and are getting better with the technology.
If that’s the case then all cars should be banned from parking until they have upgraded the sprinkler system because it’s more likely that a gasoline car will catch fire not an electric car so it makes no sense.
These hospital admins are preventing their own firing since they clearly are extremely negligent not having a proper functioning fire suppression system in place
Afternoon mate blood crazy
If the hospital director had chosen the bottle in front of me route instead of the frontal lobotomy, it'd be different right?
It’s not about the rarity of EV fires. It’s about the intensity and inability to fight ev fires.
Banning parking for electric vehicles potentially exposes the hospital to liability for any personal injury . If someone has an emergency and cannot get treatment and thereafter suffers an injury or disability because they can’t get access Due to this type of stupidity then the hospital can be sued for damages .
Actually no, Sam hasn’t given the full story. There are multiple car parks and they have a large charging area. The car park was closed under the instructions of the Merseyside Fire and Rescue, don’t do what they say, then you are liable for prosecution. Basically he’s a numpty because he will spoil the perception of sensible EV drivers.
They should ban range rovers first
In the next "The Towering Inferno" reboot movie the uncontrolled fire will be started by EV fire in the underground garage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hybrids now have the same battery type. Are those banned also?
The Electric Viking conveniently leaves out the fact that if an EV does catch fire, either on its own or from a nearby fire, it is almost impossible to extinguish. The latest trick is to take the burning car and put it into a tank of water... who needs a fire extinguisher?
So basically there’s someone on the fire brigade who’s completely bought into the anti-EV stuff and is using their position administer their own personal crusade
Given that EV fires are much less likely to occur than ICE vehicle fires (more than 20 fold less), they should have closed the car park to all vehicles if there was a sprinkler problem.
Correct!
Omg ty. Finally a comment with some sense.👍
Hospital prefer polluting cars which is bad specially for asthma patients.
Just today you reported on a Tesler Model 3 that exploded into a fireball (after hitting several solid objects at a measly 100mph).
So you accept the fact that EVs can explode.
and they have a medical license?
That is what you get now Chinese BEV's are becoming more populair... You cannot include of exclude certain brands in these policies. Sad but true
If a hospital does not accept EV-parking, go to a different one. If the hospitak keeps it's attitude, in a few years it will close because of too few customers. By the way: If they are so stupid in such a clear topic, I do not want to know how stupid they are at medical questions.
Ironic, really.
My local hospital has signs asking drivers of ICE cars not to reverse into parking bays alongside the building as the fumes get into the wards through the windows!
Maybe they should have signs saying no ICE vehicles are allowed to park in those bays.
you'd hope places like hospitals would be places where science and logic are understood.
Gas powered Subaru are burning up ...
Look up recalls and do another video on it
🤪bag o shite Land Rover 🤪it’s not any car park I’ve been in! It’s ceo probably has interest in Big Oil 😮
Big Oil paid off the hospital.
Should band all mobile phones as well, considering they are more explosive
Cheers mare
Hospitals should ban electric phones, electric computers, electric pacemakers, etc., to avoid explosions.
"According to the US Government, gasoline-powered vehicles have a 1.5% chance of catching fire per 100,000 vehicles, while battery-electric vehicles have a 0.025% chance. This means that gas-powered vehicles are 61 times more likely to catch fire than electric vehicles."
Most people are just uninformed or stupid 😢
I am afraid you are wrong in this instance
Alder hay
In a statement issued to the BBC, Alder Hey hospital said following advice from Merseyside Fire and Rescue it had "temporarily restricted the parking of electric vehicles in one of our smaller car parks while we upgrade its fire sprinkler system."
"Electric vehicles are still able to park in our main Hospital car park", it continued, pointing out it also had 14 spaces with EV charging points.
Merseyside Fire and Rescue has been contacted for comment.
Id like to know why they think ICE cars that are more likely to catch fire are not banned then? Infact why isn't the car park closed all together until they put these more appropriate sprinklers in? This advice seems to be not based on data, instead its based on FUD about EVs exploding.
@@diablosv36 Why are they more likely to catch fire when they're switched off and parked?
Fact is that an ICE vehicle fire can be extinguished quite easily with the already installed sprinklers but not a thermal runaway in an EV.
It's not that hard really.
@@oldbloke204 Mainly because of electronics. Also all cars have a battery in it that provides power to the car even when the engine is not on.
@@diablosv36 And it's mostly isolated when the ignition is off.
Also fuelling stations for ICE vehicles are set up in areas and with safety infrastructure in case of issues whereas they're chucking chargers in everywhere it seems.
@@oldbloke204 Not sure how this is relevant to a car park where all cars are off and are running systems off a battery.
Is vinfast a good car ?
If the security guard said that, he should be re-educated by the hospital and all staff should have to do training to ensure they know how to properly deal with such claims with comments such as, 'Do you wish to die of lung disease in agony?' or 'Why are you causing the premature death of our patients, forcing untold harm on this country, by polluting with an ICE vehicle, you monster?' in just the same way I'd expect them to say, 'No, big is not beautiful, your fat is why you are ill in conjunction with your smoking cigarettes or drinking heavily, stop it and your health will be better.'
I get that they're upgrading the sprinklers, but they're also participating in spreading stuff that directly contributes to earlier deaths on the NHS and increased costs which could be spent on the things that should really kill us - like old age. We're all going to die, but the NHS would spend less money getting us to old age, and keeping us from becoming elderly and infirm, if they had fewer completely unnecessary disease to treat from obesity, smoking, ICE pollution and so on.
Most of the public would believe and take advice from the Merseyside Fire Service rather than youtubers, goverment or Quentin Tony Blair Wilson who have their own agenda to promote EVs
Hospital isn't full of some one with more scientific thinking? The world change. Full of even smarters people.
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We are seeing the beginning of the end of the Ev "transition" and it died uneer the weight of insurance companies 😂.
You can say ice cars are 80% more likely to catch fire and sure ill give it to you. But the average age of a ice car is over 10 years old, do you think the likelihood of something going wrong increases with age?
Now think about millions of 10 year old Evs will the chance of fire increase? The Ev fire risk will only increase.
Belgian firefighters want to ban EV to all underground parking of the country.
They are right.
Range Rover is the biggest piece of shit on the road and idiots keep buying them!
The service technician will enjoy your Range Rover more than you!
maybe they should ban the ICE cars for there fumes.
ice vehicles have closed fuel systems to prevent escape of vapors and are much easier to put out if there is a fire. plus ch!na is having problems with ev fires. probably due to bad manufacturing but still.
Amazing, people acting on their own ignorance.
Scallys still think ford make cars in Liverpool 😂😂😂
They don’t only parts.
Haha….”these people were not interested in facts and just wanted to promote misinformation “. Something that you’ve become quite the master of. Irony at its finest!!!
Misinformation? What misinformation? Are you saying evs can't enter thermal runaway?
Tesla burning and they are not plugin
Oh look reality is starting to bite again.
They aren't doing this stuff for no reason in spite of all the noise by the EV crowd.
The reality is EV fires are more than 20-fold LESS likely to occur than in an ICE vehicle (data from a large Swedish study).
@@crm114. And are they comparing things like age and arson etc?
Do you check who does the studies at all?
Main issue is that thermal runaways in EV batteries are extremely difficult to deal with whereas a fuel fire is often easy to put out with existing technologies.
@@oldbloke204 The study was performed by the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency. But then again you’re not interested in facts, just misinformation to support your anti-EV standpoint. Oh, and the vast majority of batteries now are LFP which are not susceptible to thermal runaway.
@@crm114. I think that you meant not as susceptible don't you?
How do you think the numbers will be when older EVs or those with battery damage over time will affect the figures in the future?
We've owned quite a few vehicles over our lifetime, including some real clunkers, and have never had any sort of fire ever.
I certainly wouldn't be charging an EV next to our home or in a shed though.
Why do you think that various agencies are doing this sort of thing?
It's not that hard.
Is this a mental ward hospital?
Thousands 😂
These parking garages have been used for many decades and only began burning during the modern EV era.
EV = Drop and go! Get it the hell out of here!!!
A compressed natural gas power truck caught fire and subsequently exploded severely injuring six firefighters.
ruclips.net/video/nJbvLhe_gfI/видео.htmlsi=l6hhfMAhMY_ntvHy
You would never see something this catastrophic from batteries. In the words of Sandy Munroe "petroleum power cars carry energy which is DESIGNED to burn". How many CNG powered truck might serve that hospital?