NT1100 or Africa Twin?
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I guess it all depends on how well the NT can handle dirt roads with different tires. If it doesn't work that well, that gives the Africa Twin the edge. Either way, you can't lose with Honda.
I think the point here is that the NT1100 has the same ground clearances as the pre 2021 NC750X and if that was capable of riding dirt roads then the NT1100 with a different tire will probably do the same. Comparing the to the AT which is designed to do more than dirt roads is probably making the wrong comparison.
@@jimporter Not the same ground clearance! NT has 175mm vs 165mm on the old NC. ( New NC is 145mm)
@@danmac0 thanks for correction. Further enforces my point.
6 let jsem jezdil na Africe, teď mám NT, v zatáčkách Africe Vždy ujedu.Afrika není žádný cestovni special, na dobré silnici je NT vždy lepší s rychlejší.
Extraordinary comparison, thank you. After a lot of research and IF we’re talking about and all rounder, I think I‘ll bite the bullet and pay up for the GS. BUT your video is not about that, if I focus just on your presentation, to me the all rounder is ABSOLUTELY the Africa Twin all day long, and hands down, Period. If, by any chance either my budget or any other scenario won’t allow me to get the GS, the Africa Twin will be my bike. It’s the type of machine that makes you feel you’re ready for anything, any road, any time, I like that feeling.
Having purchased an Africa Twin this year, I'd not repeat the purchase if the NT1100 were an option. Having owned a CB500X in the past i am confident the NT1100 will do fine on dirt and gravel roads. The clearance will be fine and the tubeless tires are definitely preferred. The Africa Twin is too heavy for 95% of us to ride on anything more than dirt or gravel roads. I'd much prefer own an NT1100 and a CRF300L. I don't mind a smoother torque curve either. Not even sure i will have this option in the States. Great video.
Thanks for the feedback Rocket, much appreciated!
I currently own a NT700 Deauville, downsized from a BMW K1200LT, it was getting too heavy to maneuver at low/no speed. Wanted a medium sized tourer with shaft drive, but nobody makes one any more. Heard the NT 1100 was coming and thought, well, might not be medium, but the weight seemed nice. Then they revealed it. I looked and was sadly disappointed. No shaft drive. Shaft drive has been a “trademark” of NT’s since the Revere, continuing to the NTV, NT650 Deauville to the NT700 Deauville. 25 years ish. In my humble opinion, with about 40 years of riding bikes, tourers need shaft drive. We want to enjoy the riding, in my case around Europe, not lubing chains or tensioning them on a 3 week tour. And yes, I know you can fit automatic oilers to chain bikes, but I think most “true tourers” will know what I mean. Just my 5 cents worth. Stay safe all and godspeed. 🏍👍
Hi earl, I know what you mean, but i have just moved to a versys from a 1400gtr and the whole chain thing is not like it used to be, the chains are much better and hardly ever need adjusting. So don't let it stop you, I like the look of the NT1100, but it has not got the 6 axis IMU or the electronic suspension , which my versys does have.
I agree. The missing shaft drive is likely a deal breaker for me. It seems the Triumph Tiger 1200 or BMW might be the only options available for me. Come on, Honda, give us a shaft drive, please.
Hridelovy pohon je drahý a těžký. Motorka s řetězem je cenově dostupnější.
The NT 1100 makes the most Sense to me at age 58 , as well , I currently have an Versys 650 with 17" rims which I have an Pair of Shinko's 80/20 tires for , how ever since 90plus percent of my Rideing is Street , I took those off an put put some Mich Street tires on , can always put 70/30 or 80/20 tires on the NT for Green Laneing , just have to do it an Bit Slower , for Commuteing an or Travleing to an State Park to do Glamping , the NT makes the most sense to me , if I where to ever do an Back Road Discovery Route , would prefer to have an Enduro that wieghs much less with 50/50 tires on it , I know this is all Subjective , just depends on what kind of rideing Interest one has , I certainly am not looking to have an Work Out on Single Track at my age , Dual Lane hard pack , Light Gravel an Light Sand bout the most I wanna deal with , btw have been rideing since I was 15yld , an Started on an Dual sport , Have Fun out there Gents an Stay Safe
My NT1100 DCT arrives on 1st Sept 2024. Not test ridden it but have read so many reviews i think it's a no brainer. Sold my X-ADV Special Edition (#36). The X-ADV in my view is one of the most underated bikes on the road today.
I went for a Cb500x. Then upgraded to an Africa twin . I’ve now upgraded to a Cb500x that I have more fun on than the AT .
NT1100 - caus back/gravel travel will remain the smaller portions of our travels
I have a NC750x and I love it, specially the hidden compartment and great fuel efficiency. I too was flirting with the Africa Twin, but now i'm not sure with the NT1100!! Keep me updated with your test drive.
Will do! 👍
The Shame about the nc750x is the lack of cruise control. But in farness it's built to a price point and if it had cruise it would add cost and then tread of the toes for the base Africa twin which has it as standard
I appreciate your passion for bikes and can relate to your journey with bikes so far.
I am having to think two up as well. In selecting a bike I do appreciate a bit of character so the parallel twin wins for this one as well as Honda reliability. We currently ride a Ducati multistrada 1200 a bike that's hard to beat. It's done high kms now and I wouldn't mind being a bit lower to the ground. Thanks very much for your channel, keep up the good work.
Thanks very much Louis!
I’ll get the NT1,100 for long distance travel. And if I have to go off-road I’ll the crf 300ls. A big bike is too expensive to break it.
This video makes me want a GS rather than either of the Honda options.
Pretty good on-road, without being scared to tackle light off-road. Shaft drive. Lots of tyre options. Can carry all the luggage you want. The missus too sometimes. Has all the comforts. Perfect for soaking up the hits on Australia’s lumpy paved roads. Perfect too for pulling an “iron butt” day in the saddle if that is your thing.
Honestly, you are creating one of THE best content one can find on internet. Keep it up!
Thanks so much! Will do! 👍
Great video!
I'm praying for Australia!
Having recently ridden an At, I'd say that looking at previous bikes you've had, the At is defo designed for a more off road bent. It feels like a bulky motox bike. However, on the road, the 21 inch wheel really makes it lairy above certain speeds. Throw on all the luggage and the weight distribution adds to the effect of front end vagueness. It is also the most uncomfortable seat I've ever sat on. Feels comfy at first, 30 mins in your ass aches. I'd say if your spend time off road then it's a decent choice over say a multistrada or GS as the 21 inch wheel and long travel suspension is better suited to that. That said, the suspension dive and impact on handling on road is another compromise. I'd say I'd only recommend the At if you do spent a lot of time off road. But, as others have said, it's still limited and you'd be better with a cheap enduro bike and have a road bike...
Oooh this is such valuable feedback thanks Steven! It's rare to get a straight forward rundown on a bike's true quirks and nature. Seat comfort is a big one for me. It's not unusual for me to head out for a ride and end up spending 3 - 4 hours on the road without stopping, travelling 300 - 400 k's. At least that was when I had a bike comfortable enough to do that, which the NC750X is not. Hmm.. Now that I think about it. Maybe that's why I'm spending more time exploring tracks nowadays rather than visiting Towns as I used to do? Interesting. I think your comment has help me gain some insight. Am I simply adapting my riding to suit the bike I currently own rather than buying a bike to suit the riding I typically do? Thought provoking. Thanks Steven I so appreciate your input! 👍
Last sentense nailed it.
I have the NT 1100 for a year, average consumption is around 4,3l/100km, put a small winddeflector on the screen because i am 6 foot 3, winddeflection is fantastic, love this bike 👍
Thanks for that detailed comparative analysis. I cannot imagine how long you spend putting together a presentation like that. Your channel is growing steadily because viewers appreciate that you WORK at your videos. Looking forward to your test rides on both. Cheers!
Thanks Guy I appreciate that! It is surprising how long it takes to put a video together like that, a good 4 days on this one by time I finished getting my thoughts down as efficiently as possible then collecting all the images, videos and data I need. But I enjoy making them. My goal is to try and get one larger video like this out each week as well as daily DIF videos. I'm gradually getting systems in place to allow me to achieve this which is great! Thanks to people like you Guy, we just clicked over 20,000 subscribers!!! It's a nice sunny day today, I'd like to go out for a ride and make a thank you video but my 3yo Granddaughter might be calling in today for a very welcome visit, so I'll hang around home and go out and make the video tomorrow. Thanks so much for being a good friend of myself and the channel Guy, I truly value and appreciate you being around. 👍
@@BikesILike I have unsubscribed from several channels when authenticity was sacrificed on the altar of Personality. You have my subscription for the long haul.
@@guyfuller1369 Thanks Guy 👍
Having more suspension travel isn't always a good thing if you ride primarily on the road. I owned an AT and the 21 inch front wheel and long and soft suspension really hurt the cornering ability.
Agree, I own AT AS and it has a lot of brake dive and heavy steering. I don't mind it because I like to do a good amount of dirt roads but I would not recommend the AT over this NT1100 if you are riding only asphalt.
I currently have a 2019 Africa Twin, I was also recently considering the latest generation Goldwing (And I always said you would never catch me dead on a Goldwing). This new NT1100 is certainly interesting as I love the engine of the Africa, love the ergos, but with a 21" front wheel, it will never ride quite as smooth as proper touring bike. Looking forward to demo one.
Most who say the NT1100 is underpowered have never tried an AT. Mine power wheelies in 2nd gear....I don't know how much one would need for touring 2 up. The only thing I would love to see improve is frequency and cost of maintenance (its a pain to get to the valves (8h job at the dealer, every 24000km) and spart plugs, even the air filters are far from being a 5 minute job...)
More suspension travel can sometimes help, but my Scrambler 1200XE was one of the most uncomfortable bikes I've ridden...even after having the shocks re-sprung/revalved it still was by no means a smooth ride.
Wow so much valuable info here Speedy thanks so much! I think the people complaining about the AT being under powered might be used to travelling at Autobahn speeds? I could see how you want more horsepower there. For me personally that's definitely not an issue and the AT 1100 would have all the power I need. The maintenance is an issue though, particularly the valve inspections. On the NC750X they're super quick and easy. No shims, just take off the rocker cover, stick in a feeler gauge and adjust the locking nuts.
Very interesting about the Scrambler suspension. Thanks for sharing that. I naturally tend to assume that longer travel equals plusher ride but that's clearly not the case. 👍
@@BikesILike "Thanks for sharing that. I naturally tend to assume that longer travel equals plusher ride but that's clearly not the case." That assumption made me lose about 5000$ in 3 months hehe The Bonneville T120 had a plusher ride than the Scrambler XE with half the travel. You live and learn :)
@@Speedytrip Don't worry. When it comes to loosing money on bikes I'm sure you're in good company here. 😉
Very interesting to learn the T120 is a plusher rider than the Scrambler XE. This is great information, thank you! 👍
I love to see the struggle of choice we all know so well and we never see in video's before the decision made. I don't think you will drive too much off road on the NT. Personally, being a Sports-tourer guy as well.....I would also consider the new GSX S1000 GT to make the choice even harder ;)
Love the GT too but wish it had a centerstand for long tour chain maintenance. I guess a auto oiler would solve that, have no experience with those...they seem like they would be messy. Also wish the GT had a subframe which would allow a top box for both trip storage as well as passenger comfort
@@mikejacklyn1221 Didn't know he didn't had a centerstand. So, Suzuki finds it more sport than tourer. A bit strange though.
I was just on the same fence of thought! I'll go for the NT because I prefer the pavement. Cheers.
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This video gets me. These are the two I'm deciding between right now myself
I think africa twin, motorcycle is made for people..those who want to live with no limits...like where you see you can go..I think this is a big freedom which you get after spending so much money..definitely I will go for africa twin..no limits 😉
The NT has about the same suspension travel as your NC750 (I own 2018 NC) around 6" front and back. With only slightly heavier weight than the NC and the same tires installed the NT will do everything you need. For the riding you do 9" of travel is pointless. The bigger question is value which clearly seems it will be in favor of the NT. Can't ignore thousands of $$. The other issue for me would be riding position. The slightly forward lean on my NC was solved with some bar risers. The AT seems totally upright with much higher handlebars something that I would want to duplicate in the NT for long rides. Seat comfort is also a critical issue, visually the NT looking quite comfy but would need to try. (NC seat is horrible) Nice comparison review I vibe with your thought processes.
Thanks Bob, I agree with all your points! 👍
I’m struggling just as much!
Pleased with my v-Strom 1000.
A Goldwing is to big for daily commuting.
The new Honda seems to have the best from both worlds.
But as you say, we have to try it first
Yes! It seems as if Honda predicted we'd be seeking a more practical touring solution. You're right Peter, the NT1100 does seem like a cross between the Africa Twin and Goldwing.
Hi Peter, how does the VStrom fare on light trails ? I am thinking of the 1050xt. It has been a real struggle for me too.
Thanks for the very informative video. You have obviously gone to some trouble to get all the details well done. Currently a very happy 650 VStrom owner but it’s always good to know what the next bike might be . Keep up the great work it’s good to see what’s happening at home in Oz rather than Europe or the US. Thanks
Get yourself a Honda Crosstourer, can do both and has an amazing engine also shaft drive.
I have been doing the exact compArison. The one thing I wish honda did was to make the front of the nt1100 like the cb1100x concept. It was beautiful and looks are important in something that we drive for emotion. I would have chose the nt1100 hands down if that was the case. The funny thing is we can’t control the engineers pencil. So we have to constantly live with compromises. Your video does a good job reviewing this. On the compromise front I constantly wonder whether the 21” front wheel on the at as is really as vague as we would believe. Other than that I think the atas is a perfect bike for road touring. I’d love to see somebody do a road test review between 21 inch front and 17 and tell us if there really is a difference. I come from a vfr800 2009 ride and am looking for something a little more stretched out for some crazy reason cause I think it might make 14 hour ride days more tolerable but maybe I’m must dreaming. Thanks for laying out your excellent logic and comparison in this video. It shows me my exact same thought process is not as crazy as I might believe. At least someone else across the pond is thinking the exact same thing. Thanks from Canada 🇨🇦. Cheers mate, I hope that closing up covid allows for some test rides for you I the future.
Hi Jody and hello Canada! Thanks for sharing your thoughts and feedback, I enjoyed reading comments. Yes you're right, the NT is more function over form but I think nowadays I'd prefer to compromise on looks rather than functionality. I too agree, the CB1100X concept was beautiful. It's interesting, I haven't ridden an adventure bike with a 21" front wheel. Some say it's vaguer handling is very noticeable at speed, other say it's fine. I think it comes down to your own personal tastes and what you prefer in a bike, which is why test riding is so important. Re riding position and comfort. That's a tricky one. For me typically, I'm more comfortable with a little weight on the bars. If I'm sitting bolt upright as I was on my R 1200 RT, after a few hours I'd get an ache in my spine right between the shoulder blades. I think it all depends on the natural curvature of your spine and in that regard, we're all different. Test riding is the only way to know. I wish we could take bikes out for a day to really get to know them before buying rather then the short test rides we generally get.
I've met a few Canadians in life and online and I find you are very similar in nature to Australians. Maybe it's a Commonwealth thing. Thankfully we are out of lockdown now! In Victoria, my state, we've all done the hard work and now 90% of people have had their first dose of vaccine and 80% have had their second so everything is opening up and getting back to normal. Face masks are only mandatory for indoor locations or where you can't maintain social distancing and we are free to travel anywhere in the State. Thanks for your comment Jody, expect to see more rides soon! 👍
Excellent comparison! I initially wanted the NC 750X but decided to get the Rebel 1100 DCT instead, I was hoping the rumors were true about the NT 1100, i'm so excited about that bike as it has the 1100 engine and i love that engine! I wanted a bike similar to the NC 750 that had a little more power and cruise control as standard. The NT checks almost all the boxes except for the seat height (shorty)....
Same situation for about 6 months. But, I'll point out that the adventure sports AT is about 5000€ more expensive than the NT in EU and is much more dedicated to off-road, gravel, and generally difficult terrain. I'm going for the NT just because it is much more adapted for road use, better equipped, and the aerodynamic protection is much better despite adv sports AT's higher screen. In the AT adv sports you're paying for the IMU systems and off-road suspention, which in my case is not required as I only sometimes use gravel/dirt fine back roads and the NT is more than capable of traversing such terrain, of course in a mild manner. Plus, the ride in the NT surprised me of how plush, rafined, and adept to any sort of driving experience you want. And the confort, oh my, the best I've experienced and I've riden mostly cruisers in my life. You want a more nimble, sportier, and more urban capable bike than the Goldwing, than it's the NT without any doubt. Highly underated motorcycle. And it's not boring at all, trust me. Can't wait to get it already, less than 2 weeks until delivery.
My only hesitation here is the lack of a shaft drive.
I have a NT1100 and it is one the nicest bikes I have ever owned I had a BMW K1200RS the NT1100 is a 100 percent nicer to ride and if you where to buy one you want be sorry
Two minutes into your video and this is an easy question to answer. You said "I am enjoying exploring dirt roads..." and you live in Australia. Thus, the Africa twin wins. Yes it is a big pig, but you have had decades of that, well now you have a big pig that will tour comfortably all day, and you can point it down any dirt road you want (if you are skilled or foolhardy enough) and explore what I believe, are the best parts of Australia, whilst being able to put it back on the bitumen and return home.
My Hondas in Australia have been bulletproof and that Africa Twin is as capable a bike off-road as you will find.
Enjoy.
150mm of suspension travel is enough for what I do, so I just bought an NT1100. Saved $5200 over the AT AS DCT.
Iim a 2017 AT manual owner. Im at an age where mild off road riding now hurts my wrists, seriously considering the NT 1100 when it arrives in USA, for only on road riding.
AT and NT do not compete with eachother. Its the same bike with different functions.
AT is the best of both worlds, on and off road, while NT excells on road and already comes with luggage. For me, the Africa Twin is unbeatable.
Po 6 letech na Africe jsem přesedlal na NT, v zatáčkách ti pokaždé ujedu. Bez ohledu na to jak je Afrika krásná, neustále s sebou vozis ten offroadovy potenciál který málokdo využívá. Velká kola a vysoké těžiště jsou nevýhodou při silničním cestování, zatáčky kolem nohy jsou trápením.
Yeah for basic legal general riding at a reasonable price the nt1100 seems like a good option.
I think it depends on how much off-roading you do currently. In my experience buying a dual purpose bike on the promise you'll do more off-roading is usually pretty self-delusional. Buy a NT1100 and an Enfield Himalayan or good condition 2nd hand Trail bike. I'd trade the panniers for a top box anyway.
I don't like that big front wheel on the Africa Twin.
I'd like to do more of the road riding I used to do. And the more I think about it, if I had an excellent road bike I don't think I'd mind too much not doing so much off road riding. I'm definitely not a trail bike rider, it's not my thing. If I had a trail bike in the garage and a good road touring bike, 10 times out of 10 I'll be jumping on the road bike. Thanks Andrew, you're really helping me decide on my future direction. 👍
I had an Africa Twin, I wasn't mad on the 21" front on the road either.
@@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff That's interesting. Definitely going to try and get a test ride to check it out.
That big front wheel on the AT follows the design of big front (and rear) wheels on mountain bikes. You know, the kind with pedals. Those big front wheels smooth out rough trails at the handle bars, making the bike easier to handle in the rough. Those wheels roll over things with more stability than smaller wheels, so that wheel on the AT is a smart engineering decision that makes the offroad time better for the AT pilot.
@@JerryWDaviscom Except for when you're going through the twisties they keep causing you to run wide. If you do most of your riding around town or on the roads through the hills, why not put on intermediate tyres and a smaller rim on the front?
Those ATs they take on outback tours with knobbies are huge. I saw one once at the Honda centre in Campbellfield, Melbourne.
I am personally stoked for the NT1100. The big question for me will be ergos. I am a big, tall dude. But I have an 02 1150GS that I am eager to trade for something new. And that NT will do fine on light gravel roads.
I think you're right about the NT on light gravel roads. If you haven't seen it, I covered a 6'4" rider at the end this video if that helps? Honda NT1100 2022 - ruclips.net/video/qGhP6Lo-4JI/видео.html
I feel it's a good guide but there is no substitute to jumping on the bike and actually taking it for a good test ride.
@@BikesILike Cool I will check it out. I am 6'5. No bike is perfect for me, but good enough is ok! As for the gravel, it will be similiar to the Versys. You can do it, but its not the best. But the roads you showed in your video... no problem. I like the sport touring segment. As a GS owner, I rarely take it anywhere seriously off road.
I mean, some scramblers are great as well.
But if it were up to me I would go for the reliant AT, which has already proven itself in many ways. Good video as always, thanks for taking us with you.
Thanks DARKNEXT! Yes those Triumph Scramblers are tempting propositions. 😉
Man, sometimes you seem to read my mind...lol. I love the lay-over of one bike over the other... if you added the foot pegs in that lay-over with the distance from peg to seat, it would be perfectoo :) I noticed you had a 1200RT too, can`t wait to see that comparison when you ride the NT,,, thanks for the video, very creative and excellent content.
Thanks Hug! I originally did have the foot pegs in there but iI thought t looked too confusing. I wish I'd left them in there now. But at least you can still compare the differences in these 2 videos 😉
Honda NT1100 2022 - ruclips.net/video/qGhP6Lo-4JI/видео.html
Honda Africa Twin Adventure Sports - ruclips.net/video/wGMiCgGpqDs/видео.html
I think the African twins foot pegs are a little more forward than the Nt 1100
IMO, if someone plans to go off road from time to time, Africa Twin is one of the best option available. NT1100 looks like it can handle a bit of cross country, just as NT650 and NT700 could, but that can be rather expensive in terms of fairings, as well as more limited due to width of the bike. I honestly think it is a crime they dumped the shaft drive for the NT1100 in favor of chain. Tourer, even a sport tourer, should really be shaft driven IMO, to minimize maintenance mid travel. Therefore, if you want a real sport tourer, only proper options are propositions from BMW, Yamaha and Kawasaki. I own a 09' FJR1300 and it is perhaps the best long distance plus performance platform available. Barely misses the comfort level of an ST1300 , a BMW RT or GTL, but is cheaper to run than all of them by a huge margin, vast aftermarket available and lets you enjoy a performance of a sport bike if you wish to do so. If you plan to own one bike only, the NC750X is an excellent all round option for roads. If a dedicated performance touring machine is considered - FJR1300, Concourse or R1250RT are your best bets, depending on your wallet and what physically fits you best.
I had a 2016 Versys 1000LT, it was a great bike. I traded it on a new 2018 Gold Wing Tour so my wife had better comfort and was easier to get on and off the bike.
Can’t wait to be able to ride both back to back to compare.
The old equation of n+1 is the answer to the many questions….
90% of africa twin riders really just need the NT tbh.
Having a NC 750S I personally wouldn't want to give up the luggage compartment or the fuel economy. It's sounds like you've got your ideal bike already and I'm sure you will miss gravel roads if you get a road oriented bike.
I know, the fuel economy and luggage compartment are two things I really don't want to give up. Whenever I start a ride I think... this bike is perfect! No need to sell it! But after an hour or two in the seat I start getting fatigued (might be my age) and I find myself wanting more comfort and luxuries. I like doing the longer rides. If I could have two bikes I'd definitely keep as an everyday all rounder. One of the biggest things I'll miss is the ease of maintenance especially the valve clearance procedure. I might investigate options to give me more comfort before making a final decision. 👍
@@BikesILike I've had loads of bikes over the years and sometimes it's had to resist the 'upgrade marketing' for want of a better term. I know I'm intrigued by the NT 1100 but I also know it's too heavy and big for what I use a bike for (I've owned an Africa twin 1000, though no doubt I'll have a test ride). The only time I find the NC lacking is when I ride with mates and I have to full throttle it to keep up. But on my own I've totally fine with it and ultimately it does keep up with other bikes up to 80mph. I wouldn't blame you for swapping because it's very tempting but I guess you may end up lamenting the lost of the nc750x. Maybe an aftermarket seat? That's the sensible option but when have bikes ever been sensible!
@@andrewmeek624 I hear you Andrew. I'll definitely investigate NC seating options. 😉
I was excited about the NT1100 when it came out. In November I got hit on my 2017 Africa twin. It will be about 5 months before I’ll walk and ride but I was left with a decision on what bike I would get to replace my AT.
I went with a Africa Twin Adventure Sports ES DTC over the NT1100. I’m 5’10” but I prefer tall bikes even though I can’t flat foot. I like seeing over traffic. I also prefer top loading panniers that are NOT plastic. The taller screen and larger tank sold it for me.
First up, I'm sorry to hear you got hurt in an accident! I truly hope you're recovery is speedy and goes well.
Was very interesting reading your thoughts and experience. I have to admit I'm swinging back in favour of the AT as well, in particular the same ES DCT that you've gone for. I'm really hoping I can get a test ride at some point. 👍
If the NT 1100 makes its way to the USA it may sway me away from my Vstrom DL 1000. Seems really comparable to the Vstrom. I'll have to wait and see.
For me, I'd rather go with the AT because of the versatility it offers. If I wanted a road focused option, I'd consider a ninja 1000sx or suzuki gsx 1000 gt
Shaft drive or chain. I do not care. I own a NT1100 DCT and its one best motorcycles i ever owned. I love to drive it and its is much more fun then how it looks!
I can't help but see a giant scooter when I look at the NT1100.
For me, I’m getting the NT, putting some 80/20 tires on it and having a blast. I would do no more off road than a dirt road so I don’t need a big 19” front tire and I really like the styling of these sport touring bikes.
Of course being in America, we will probably never see this bike
I'm hoping and believe you will see the bike Robby. Even now there's still no word of it on the Honda Australia website but I do know my local dealer has at least one on order. I'm predicting we won't see it listed on the Honda Australia site until April/May but it is apparently coming. I suspect it may be the same for the US. 👍
@@BikesILike I hope so. I live in South Texas and ride a 1978 Honda GL1000 that I rebuilt in the winter of 2019 from the pieces that I bought from a guy that were laid out on his father-in-laws driveway. That was the best learning experience I have ever had regarding motorcycle maintenance. The bike is a dream ride with the color-matched Vetter fairing and I love to make long rides on it, but now I want the NT1100 and for the first time in my life I am willing to finance it. But it is unavailable in America :) And where it IS available, it is only white, black or gray. How stupid, both.
Why not consider the top case as a storage solution for your helmet?
I'm currently riding a Honda NT700V. I always keep the top box on my NT700. I'm accustom to all that storage space at this point so I never take it off. Was excited about the NT1100 as an upgrade to my NT700. Really wish it has a shaft drive like the NT700. I think all touring bikes should be either shaft or belt drive. If you ever do the long distance thing it would be nice not too have to pack cleaning products and lubrication. Still I love the look of that NT1100 and I'd like to have the extra power and electronic features.
That's a good point. Typically I like having my storage weight lower down on the bike (I've had top boxes in the past) but I will keep that in mind as an option. 👍
It really depends on your budget. Are you willing to sacrifice off road ability, range exc for the price difference? If not, can you afford paying extra for the luggage on the CRF?
Personally I would rather get a used Africa Twin than a new NT1100, preferably one that’s been fitted with the options that I want.
I worked out the GBP to $ USA and it does not work out.
The AT comes in at:
19200 for manual, DCT 22330.
Now I just found the DCT version for $15500 USD.
This is a local dealer in southern California..
FYI.
I do hope we get the NT but I won't hold my breath.
I can't tell you how excited I am about this bike! Other than not having a heated seat it ticks all the boxes for me. I find it interesting that you brought up dirt riding. "I happen to live on a dirt road so tires are absolutely something I have to consider." That was one of the conversations I had with my dealer. They suggested looking at either a Michigan or Contintal tire. There are several tires by both manufacturers that will give good traction in the dirt and excellent traction on the tarmac for commuting or touring. Hopefully this helps a little as far as tires are concerned.
P.S. I'm in Minnesota, and yes I absolutely do need to get a heated seat for cold weather commuting!🥶
Awesome! Thanks for sharing your discoveries. I'll look into those tires and if I find other options I'll share them here as well. I looked up Minnesota temperatures... can get down to -60F (-51C) in winter!!! Is that right?
@@BikesILike
ABSOLUTELY! Tower, Minnesota February 2 1996! That was a record low.
I was in High School at the time. The Minnesota Governor shut down all the public schools in the entire state because it was so cold. The only thing was that his daughter's went to private school and they still had to go! Yeah, it can also get up to 38c+ or 100f+ not including humidity or dew point.
@@BikesILike
Stupid spell check!🤦
Michelin NOT Michigan tires!
@@JW-fq1ec Wow! My hat's off to you. I can't even begin to imagine what day to day life would be like mid winter. Our hottest day here is around 44 - 46C and in mid winter our lowest is -6C. And I see you have high humidity!! I can't do humidity. Thankfully where I live we mostly get dry heat.
@@JW-fq1ec Aaahh that makes more sense! 😁
With semi-active suspension becoming more available on sport tourers at a reasonable price (see Yamaha Tracer 9GT), I would probably go that route. If forced to choose between the NT1100 and the AT Adventure Sports, I'd probably shell out the extra $$ to get the AT because the NT doesn't have electronic dampening. Hopefully Honda will finally include a quick shifter with the manual transmission AT.
It's a simple decision buy both ! A man can never have to many toys !
Honestly, any bike can drive down a dirt or gravel road so that is not the criteria. I have a KTM Adventure R because to me a true ADV bike is very capable at hard off road riding. ADV styled street bikes need not apply in my world. But, if a sport touring street bike is desired, this NT1100 with DCT looks like a very nice and pleasant option among the competition.
Interesting comparison oh, I don't know which one I would choose if I were you. I am nearly 59 years old now and I used to ride and race off-road. But because of my health and physical condition I find it best to stay on pavement these days. Because every time I ride off pavement find myself in a precarious situation. I like him in a variety that's why I have 8 motorcycles now. If I did want to do some gravel roads or off-road I would choose a smaller bike like a 500 X or smaller. And I enjoy a little more power and performance on the road. I guess that's why I own a ZX14R, CBR1000RR and a R6. But I also enjoy my cruiser and my Duke 390 that I just got this year. I like a variety.
Thats a nice collection of bikes Dar, I'm envious! We're about the same age! I'm 59. I hear what you're saying, it is easy to get a little carried away when you're on a bike that's specifically designed to excel. That's why I steer away from high powered road bikes now. I'm sorry to hear your health is not where you'd like it to be, I hope things can improve. If I was in a position to have more bikes believe me I'd have a few in my garage too! But it's just one bike at a time for me I'm afraid. You know what, if I could have another bike I'd keep the NC750X as an everyday run around and go for something a lot more touring focused to accompany it. Thanks for sharing your own experience! 👍
I got an 2020 AT AS DCT July this year. I love my bike and I don't regret a thing. I also mostly do road (99%). I find the AT very comfortable, very easy to ride and I love the DCT on/off road.
Thanks for sharing your feedback SIS! It's interesting, some find the seating comfortable others don't. I'm wondering if it's a height related issue? Do you mind sharing your height?
@@BikesILike I'm 5'11. The seat is a bit hard.
@@sis1296 Ok thanks for the confirmation 👍
@@BikesILike For what it's worth, I find the Africa twin has hidden advantages. Yes the NT is prettier, but the Africa Twin - comes with a skid plate and can be equipped with crash bars. I fell on the pavement with mine - at a low speed - lucky for me. My error. It is a top heavy bike and a heavy bike. What I noticed is that the points of contact with the pavement were the crash-bars, the skid plate and the passenger foot pegs. So, I find the bike is very well designed to survive little falls even on the road. I look at the ferring of the NT - yes it's beautiful - but I cringe if the bike were ever to fall on its side!!! The Adventure bikes ARE the new touring - at least for me.
@SIS That's a good point SIS. I'll definitely keep that in mind. 👍
So to speak, we have two bikes with a comparable situation here in our garage. My husband rides the ADV version - a Yamaha Tenere 700. Myself, I own a Yamaha Tracer 700. Same motor, with a slightly different tuning. Two things I absolutely had to change on my Tracer: I got bar risers, because my shoulders got slighty cramped when riding the Tracer. Also, I did not like that I always felt a bit stretched over the tank. And I increased the seat height by 1.5 cm to relax the knee angle a tad (I cannot stand the feeling of cramped knees over time). You can get a taller windscreen for the Tracer, so I have that. In short: I modded the seating position to take out a good bit of the sport and to get it closer to how you sit on an adventure bike. As the maximum of leaving paved roads are gravel roads, the Tracer can still perfectly do that. Maybe something to consider for the NT1100?
Thanks for sharing your Yamaha Tracer 700 experience! It was a bike I was very interested in but it's also another bike not available in Australia. Was interesting reading your experience and the mods you made. 👍
A very enjoyable clip, thanks for that. You have a new subscriber :)
The NT1100 was supposed to fill the gap that once was occupied by the ST1300 (Pan European). That's probably the bigger question, does it fill this gap, and does it stack up to (what I think) Honda's best sportstourer ever.
Unequal exhaust pipes are used on the nt, gives a lumpy sound just like the ctx1300
Enjoyed watching this movie lots of information really enjoyed it
Thank you! 👍
It all depends on where you want to go, the AT can go just about anywhere, where the NT is limited, keep things simple, you dont need DCT and fancy suspensions, just adds more weight for when you have to pick the thing up when it all goes wrong (why does Honda use an el cheapo clutch cable - my 2001 1200s bandit has a hydraulic one!!!)
As a 2020 ATAS owner you can take any bike on gravel. Some are just better at it than others. Tires are key. Ground clearance is important when it gets gnarly.
For me the NT1100 is not an option over my ATAS since I do gravel about 30% of the time and dirt sometimes. With the ATAS I have the option anytime I need it.
But this is just me. You do you. :)
Thanks for your input Jeff I appreciate it! For me gravel is not a must have more of a nice to have and I agree with you on tyres. Can I ask how you find the AT for seat comfort and wind protection for longer highway rides? Also if you could let me know your height range for reference that would awesome. 👍
@@BikesILike The stock seat is average at best for me. Better than my previous CB500X but only good for about an hour (for me). I have replaced mine with a Corbin as I do multiple 2500+ km trips yearly. The stock windshield is too tall but the Corbin changed how I sit in the seat and now I see right over the windshield at the lowest setting. (I am 5'11" with 32" inseam.) I have the Honda wind deflectors to the lower sides of the windshield and the exits for the fan exhaust. Wind protection for me is good. I have ridden in some nasty rainy weather and always felt confident on the bike.
The stock Meztler tires are good on road. Even in the wet. Gravel is ok enough that I will replace them with better tires only after they wear out. Dirt... not so much but that is normal.
I have number 6 of the North American 2020s. It has had the fuel tank and brakes recall done. I haven't had an issue with the bike. It is a great bike for me. Always puts a smile on my face.
@@circuitjc That's brilliant! Thanks for sharing the info Jeff. The seat situation is interesting, it sounds like something I'd need to upgrade. At 6'1", height wise the stock seat and screen combination might be a good fit for my height?
@@BikesILike My stock seat was in the "low"/"standard" position. There is a "hi" position so that might work better for you if your leg length is longer. Although for me I've never felt out of control or reaching when having my foot down on mine.
Seats and ergos are all subjective as everyone is unique. We can only share what works for us as a starting point. Seat time is the only real way to know for sure.
Glad to share. I am in Ontario, Canada and ride mostly in the Canadian Shield. Trees, rocks, and curves. Pavement to fire/forestry roads. Truly a place for an adventure bike. :)
Super video and great choice for you on the NT1100 in all respects an awesome bike for your riding and what a gift to be able share the experience with your partner. PS I would choose the Africa Twin only because I ride single track more technical, boulders, rocky roads and fast dirt roads often. If I were to do mostly road with an occasional dirt road it would definitely be the NT1100 I love it. Enjoy the ride
Thanks Dion! 👍
NT 1100 a road focused Africa Twin.
I will look at both. Honda might make it easy for you but how often does Honda muddle things up. I think Honda will make it hard, no clear cut difference.
Think you really need a 3 rd option, a half way house. A nt1100x. 19inch front wheel, slightly more upright riding position etc. A 1100 cc cb500x.......now that would be perfect. 2023?
Honda already made that bike, it’s the vfr1200x
NT1100 with the Yoshi exhaust to give you that dirtbike/ADV thump back. I personally love riding Enduros on the street they are super fun for short distances. Obviously touring is not really an option, the tires and long suspension suck for the twisties, and top speed and wind protection are non existent for the highway. I am seriously looking into the NT1100. I know the Africa Twin has its uses for really crazy cross-continent capability but that's not a need of mine. NT1100 with the quick shifter is the absolute sweet spot "one bike" IMO.
I tested the NT1100 DCT version, great handling and comfort, however in touring mode is seems sluggish
I don't know why the NT1100 would be any worse off-road than the NCX is.
It is a tough choice between the NT and the AT, though. If the NT had a 19" front wheel, I'd pick that, and if the AT had better wind protection, it would be my choice. As it is, tough to pick without riding them first.
Age old quandary - do you define your riding style and then find a bike that fits (right tool for the job) or get a bike and let it define your riding style (here's a tool now what can I do with it). I know if I were lucky enough to live in Australia, I would take max advantage of those dirt / gravel roads. I mean when in Disneyland then you have to ride the roller coaster.
Honda VFR1200X Crosstourer are sadly discontinued so if if you are looking for an elegant tourer and doesn’t want a DCT gearbox i think You should take a look @ the new Moto Guzzi w100 mandello before you decide ,i had a new Honda 750 XADV 6 month 8000 km but newer more a most uncomfortable bike for long legged riders and a real painful riding position but hopefully the NT are better Honda has Chain drive but on a tourer shaft drive are defiantly number one.
Thanks for sharing your XADV experience that's interesting. I certainly will check out the Mandello when it becomes available. 👍
Thanks for the information. I fortunately have a cb 500x set up for adventure with many items. It is great in rough and easy to handle. Have been month long trips. Have an AT that is set for adventure but do not use as much. Have seen information on the NT1100 and like it but talked to dealers here in the US and they are looking at 2 years before we get it here. They said the market for sport bikes over this bike also. So have been using the AT for touring long road miles like to Alaska and across Canada.
Thanks for sharing your bike ownership experience Daniel! 👍
I changed from a Yammie 660Z Tenere to a BMW R1200 RT. I loved both bikes, but resented bypassing trails/tracks that looked interesting when touring on the Beemer. The dirt roads weren’t especially technical or knarley, but the thought of dropping it and damaging the expensive Tupperware was daunting l. Plus I was sick of getting gouged price wise in everything by BMW.
I sold the RT with the intention of getting another ADV like the AT ( the Guzzi V85TT looks interesting), but now this NT thing has popped up.
I wonder if you could get some unobtrusive crash bars for the NT 🤔
That's a good question! I wonder if we will see some aftermarket crash bars become available?
@@BikesILike Well gents, the bike has to become available first. Let's get that hurdle jumped before we build an aftermarket :) Like a bigger windshield.
I tried an NT and whilst ok I found it a little underwhelming. I bought an ATAS DCT ES being taller, a less cramped riding position, more suspension travel and better electronics package. Mine is a 2,000 mile clean used bike and bought for less than the £15k that the touring version NT would be. I figure better residuals on mine too. However, a new fully kitted AT to my spec would be over £20k. I don’t think there’s £5k difference plus there are better alternatives (DCT aside) for that money.
I watch this great content and get excited. Then I realize many of these bikes will never make it to the US. I’m hoping that with the cancellation of the Goldwing, Honda will ship us a version of this NT. I do love the GL, but I’m sick of pushing around a 900lb bike. After decades of rising massive Harley Davidson touring bikes, I’ve been content on a Bonneville the last year. Light, fun, and economical. But I miss having the storage of true touring bikes. 2023 will be very revealing. I’m noticing a growing tend of ex-Harley riders enjoying lighter/quicker bikes here in the states. Let’s hope the Big 4 Japanese moto companies are listening .
Got back in riding after many years out, two years ago with a PC800. So the NT1100 is the way up for me. Will I get the DCT? Likely yes, the old bones are getting creaky and the damage in my left hand from past unpleasantness it more apparent. The GL is just way too much for me, I don't care about sound systems and big engines and massive weight.
The only thing that I don't like about the Africa Twin is the electronic operating system, or should I say the time it takes to set the bike up for the desired riding mode. And, the fact that one has to turn the ABS off after each start up, which takes too long, turns me off as well. I have a computer at home or in my pocket and I don't like them most of the time. When I go for a ride, riding is what I want to do, not fiddle with another damn computer on my motorcycle. If the NT has the same set up then I would probably pass. A test ride will be unnecessary for me. Personally, I think that I would prefer the simplicity of the new V-Strom 1050xa or possibly the rumored Honda TransAlp, if it's simple. But, that's just me.
Hâte d'essayer cette NT100 ✌
I also have a NC750X from 2019 (I was surprised when I saw you have the same) and I'm exactly in the same conundrum as you. I want something with a little more punch, so I thought that the AT would be the natural evolution, but since the NT1100 was announced I just cannot stop looking at it. I just don't like the colors and I hope that the panniers are removable (I personally prefer topbox), but I just cannot chose between the two.
In Finland NT 1100 comes without the panniers because of the tax impact. According to the dealer they will sell them separately but the panniers are not priced extremely high. The prices of the bike with 3 panniers will cost around 20500 euros in Finland according to the local dealer. Basically all buyers would take them from Honda for such a price, don't think Kappa or any good quality manufacturer will price their panniers as aggressively. We pay car tax in Finland which is also valid for bikes, and because of that it is cheaper to have panniers separately and paying only VAT for the panniers than adding them into the package of motorcycle and pay VAT plus extra car/mc tax on top. Actually it is hard do compare NT1100 with AT Adventure sport, if you equip them more or less equally in my country, Africa twin Adventure will be almost 7000 euros more expensive, it is hell a lot of money and it is better to be active off road rider otherwise no sense at all to pay that much over for AT.
Thanks for the excellent information Pavel! 👍
I keep hearing that the NC750 will get a larger engine~ that would bring a LOT more interest to it. Otherwise I'm going with the NT1100
Bigger and faster is not always better... I think you're going to miss you're good and loyal NC750X.... friendly greeting from Belguim from a fellow NC750x rider.
Hello Belgium! I know I will miss the NC750X. But I want more comfort for longer trips. Whenever I go for a ride on the NC750X I find mysef thinking, there's no need to sell this bike it's perfect! But after about an hour or two in the saddle I start to remember why I need more comfort. At that point I'm ready to head home.
Compared to my Versys 1000, I could easily spend twice as long before deciding to head home. My average outing on that bike was 3 - 4 hours. If I could have two bikes I'd definitely keep the NC750X as my all round everyday bike and buy a tourer to accompany it. 👍
@@BikesILike Hello back, before my new NC750X dct 2021 I had a Transalp, a Africa Twin 750cc and a Goldwing for about 14 years... than I changed to a CB300R for 3 months, after that a CB650R 6 months but those 2 last bikes where not my cop off thee.... so I choose for the NC750X dct .... and I agree, there where some negatieve aspects.... so I upgraded the windscreem (a givi Airflow for a Suzuki 100V-strom that I adapted) also suspentions frond and back Yss (work still in progress, they are too stiff for the moment) and also a Shad seat...this seat is better than the original but I look for a mix of the Goldwing and the Transalp so in one week my new custom made Al-day-long Russell seat will arrive from the USA and I hope that this upgrade will make my bike almost perfect for me... 20kg more weight on a bike is a world of differance... so testriding several times is the only solution....friendly greeting and success with your choise...hugo...ps maybe it's better to change the things that need an upgrade and not the bike
@Geeraerts Hugo That's a healthy selection of bikes there Hugo. Was great to hear your feedback on the Shad seat and YSS suspension! I looked at the Russell Day Long seat for my Vulcan Vaquero but at the time I think it was a round a 9 month wait so I went for a Mustang seat. But I think I should've waited and gone for the RDL. Love to hear what you think of the RDL seat when you get it! 👍
I'm a bit troubled by the fact the the standard A.T. has about the same tank size as the new NT but the A.T. standard weight 15kg less and still 6KG with DCT (according to honda japans figures here.)
I'd say for me it's the standard A.T. and maybe retrofit 19in tubless wheels
But definitely wouldn't replace my tracer for the NT
When I listen to you, you already made up your mind. If you get the panniers you vill buy the NT ;) .. you probably buy it and pay extra for panniers.. Great video. Good luck and dont overthink it. You know it the feelings that gonna decide anyway.
Thanks Bjarne! I think you worked me out too easy. 😁
I’ve went through a number of bikes seeking that all round versatility. The answer is unsurprising. A boxer engined GS is well worth the premium and the price differential will soon be forgotten until you do eventually go to sell it , when the resale value will remind you again of it’s quality.
I currently own a 2016 CRF1000DCT and considering “adding” the NT to the mix, and keep my eyes open to replace the AT with a smaller off-roader option down the road like a CRF300Rally or better contender.
Good comparison but I think your deciding factor is in the ability to ride dirt roads. Any bike can ride a dirt road of course - for a while! The real question is, how well will the bike fare when it’s dropped.
Yes, that's a good point. To be honest if I bought the NT I know I'd probably spend less time on gravel.
On road 2nd luxury version after Goldwing 🥰👌
Better ergonomics on the NT1100 it seems to me. It can handle gravel. That would be my choice.
I think you might be right Two-Wheels 👍
Have you checked the new Suzuki 1050XT. It has good road mannerism and can do a bit of off road too. Its looks are a matter of much debate though. I am a rider just like yourself, mostly road but now leaning towards touring country unpaved roads. I have been unable to find the right mix too as yet. I found the Kawasaki Versys 1000 very capable on road too but it does not do off road very well. So far Suzuki seems to offer a bit of balance between the two.
I did have a sit on the 1050XT at the dealership a while ago, I will revisit it thanks Aman.
Whats pushing me away from the nt1100 is how dull it looks vs the africa twin
I have long test ride two weeks ago. Last time I wrote that maybe I will trade my crf 1100 adventure sports dct. Though I like nt1100 but on my atas electronic suspension is superior and beauty can't trade .
Interesting, thanks for sharing your experience 👍
No adjustable damping front or rear on the NT which is odd for a bike which could have greatly varying loads. If you don't like the damping setup your screwed without major changes. What if you like the fixed damping when solo but when your pillion gets on they find it sickly wallowy or too harsh, there is no adjusting that out? That would be my one big criticism, otherwise an awful lot of bike for the money. Looks a little scooterish mind.
That's a good question Terry! I'm guessing they're probably setting the suspension up as it is on my NC750X, a little over damped for solo riding. It will be interesting to see. I wonder how long it will be before we start seeing ride reviews from earlier release countries?
@@BikesILike It will be interesting and I look forward to those reviews too, hopefully a few early owner ones too. I’ll watch on with interest if you buy one. I have a CB1100 and the fixed damping is fine on that but then it does nothing but a solo rider.
@@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff CB1100! Big fan! I wanted an RS but they stopped selling them in Australia years ago. I even investigated importing one direct from Japan but the Aust Govt has that all tied up. The only way I can legally bring one in is if I move to Japan, buy a new one there and then live there for more than 12 months. If I do that I can then bring the bike back to Australia with me. At least that was the deal when I was checking it all out.
@@BikesILike Just a tad extreme to get the bike you want! 🤣😬
Decisions, decisions, for myself considering the NT1100 or Versys 1000. Currently ride a VFR800, loved the smoothness of the Versys inline 4, never ridden a twin. Hoping when I come to test ride the NT, the twin will excite me too. Still you cant really go wrong nowadays with any bike.
That's true on modern bikes. The only criticism I had of the Versys 1000 was the seat. If you're a taller rider you'll want to sit back in the seat and that part of the seat is on an angle causing you to slide forward onto the tank after each good bump. The angle of the seat also caused the same for the pillion. I had the original seat reworked by an upholsterer but it was still unsatisfactory so I ended up buying a Corbin. Shorter reviewers found the Versys 1000 seat comfortable though. For me the NT1100 seat looks a lot flatter which is my preferred angle. Definitely wait and test ride both before a decision would be my advice. 😉
One bike that has peeked my interest lately though is the new Suzuki GSX 1000 GT
For sure! That is a bike I should consider. The only thing that's holding me back from that bike is the pillion seat. It doesn't look as comfortable as other offerings. But I could be wrong and you're right, I should properly check it out. 👍