When you see the title of this video just remember when Kirito lost all of his HP in Aincrad against the creator but still didn’t disappear and manage to beat him. Cannot get more op than that
HÊÆVÊNŁY-NØBŁEŠŠ/ 1321 Personally I thought it was obvious that Klein used the revival item Kirito gave him to revive his friend. I mean it's not shown but it's a reasonable explanation. Especially because it would have been unnecessary to show the viewers the item if it wouldn't have later use
well i do agree you cannot get more sudo-OP than Kirito with Admin privileges as it basically makes him a GM with the ability to modify any part of the game he wishes to do so to to which i wouldn't be surprised if he also made himself stronger in that Admin console in SAO the first half when at the admin console when trying to save Yui as the lvl jump between times that the veiwer saw his lvl was a huge lvl jump and as no one else on that floor was lvl 80 including the raid team that went to fight the boss he most likely used admin to make himself stronger after making himself an admin which he lost when he was not in SAO but as his stats carried over so having admin past that was not needed
Kirito with GM Privileges - OP in ever sense of the word, but at least it made sense. Kirito gave Kayaba purpose and through that purpose, Kayaba gained heart. In the end, his cyberghost decided to help Kirito, finally making up his mind as he watched our hero struggle. Kirito surviving for one last time before Kayaba - This is just a classic case of plot armor. They needed to showcase the "unwavering power of will" to Kayaba, since it was the cause of his change of heart. Plus, it did give much more meaning to Asuna and Kirito's relationship in the end, albeit in a semi-retarded way.
What do you mean Llenn didn’t work for that skill? It took 37 tries and emotional trauma to get that avatar! (For all the idiots out there that was a joke)
btw, semi unrelated, but it shows that llenn works for her agility and prioritizes agility over everything in the flashback where she was grinding monsters for 3 months
People create multiple accounts in games till RNG favours them. Llenn did the same. I have seen it happen IRL. My friend in a gatcha has a blessed by rnjesus account. Took him a dozen reroll accounts. Now gets almost all the 5★ stuff he pulls on.
I still prefer Llen. She seems cooler. Her avatar looks distinct and the fact that she can be seen by virtually everyone whilst still being unstoppable. Plus I play as characters that stand out from the average soldier. It is fun when you take out the tactical looking players whilst dressed in the most obvious and least tactical way possible.
In a more cookie cutter way: kirito is like a corean dude styling on people using a "B" class character, while llen is a newbie who got good using a "S" class character
I think you're overlooking LLENN's training outside of SJ 1 and 2. You say she was unskilled, but there was an entire montage of her soloing squads in the desert; it's implied she has a lot of experience by the time the first SJ rolls around. And her partner in SJ2, while lacking game knowledge, also trained and practiced with her, and was already a skilled Dive Gamer, so it makes sense she could pick up on GGO's mechanics fairly quickly.
InsanelySarcastic ... The animators for Alternative is also pretty strong on “show, don’t tell”. Anybody actually paying a bit more attention could easily tell that various characters clearly inflict and take more/less damage based on their stats and build. Yes, LLENN zips around like the Road Runner thanks to her high Agi stats and small hit box, but she takes far more damage compared to what other characters with higher Str and Vit stats can easily tank, while she also needs to get up close and hit vital spots to kill.
Loli Oratoria This is because she just kept firing. In GGO, regardless of stats, 2-3 well placed shots will kill someone. It's pretty realistic on the technical side.
Her beeing extremely fast is because most other characters use Strenght builds due to the weight of the weapons, since she just wanted to chase monsters at the start of the game, she put all her stats on speed. The P90 is said to be extremely light, and without the strenght innacurate. I don't think you should say she doesn't have game knowledge, she spent a lot of time playing before the first SJ (which M made most of the strategy), training with pitou and ambushing players. Also she showed able to develop many strategies quickly and see the best course of action in engaging. Also, when she was fighting, most of the time she surprised her enemy, she doesn't just rush randomly. Her character might be on the strong side due to size, but thats what makes her feel less op than kirito. Kirito uses the worst possible build and makes it work 'cause he is kirito Llenn uses a good character with an "off-meta" build and surprises a lot of people.
Well if you play any build or role based game you would know that the strongest picks against normal players are off meta builds in the hands of a "god" with this build. Kirito is undeniably a sword fighting "god", so he can make the build work thanks to his pro level reaction time. Llenns build is meta and shes a noob so theres no way it wouldnt get hard countered. Her builds like the doomfist of overwatch paired with a tracer hitbox. Insane mobility, instapickpotential, high hp and a really small hitbox. OPAF. There would be many players doing the same and even more having counter strategies. The reason kirito seems so strong is because noone knows how to deal with him since his build is so off meta its basically shit if youre not pro level. Llenns build is so meta its basically a must. And the speed isnt the problem the hitbox and hp are. If she had half the hp of a normal player and a normal hitbox it would be fine, but she doesent. Thats what makes her really op.
Joel Peter yeah, her size ist undeniably strong, the Show makes that really clear. But you said loads of things the show denies. First of all, her build is Off-meta and is basically the same build Kirito Had, insane agility with small strenght. This is off-meta because the Guns and ammo in ggo are really heavy, so they Invest in strenght just to wield the weapons. Both the P90 and the Lightsaber are really light, but unreliable. The P90 has too much Spray and the saber is melee. Second, Llenn DOES have smaller HP, the novel is more clear about it. In the anime tho, you can see M tanking much more bullets, while Llenn received just two and was already below half HP. Third, ffs She isn't a Noob. She spent loads of time Training with other top Tier Players, why does people keep saying She is a Noob. She isn't a "god" like Kirito, but She is REALLY good at the Game. She use clever strategies to Go with the High Spray of her weapons, She always makes the fight Go to close quartes, because that is where she shines the most. And once again, Llenn has definetly a more Op character. But Kirito feels waaay to unreal, and thats why we say that Kirito is OP
adriano arouck Well in my defense I found the show so boring I stopped watching after the first tournament. And maybe I was unclear: theres no way that the build wouldnt be meta. You cant find an mmo where a player doesent minmax on release. The build would have been found early and by the time of the tournament there would be 20+ videos on youtube on how to do it. Since I didnt watch the show past episode 5 or so I have the right to call her a noob, since she behaved like one in the 1st tournament. Sure she can aim and all, but players who cant aim are babies not noobs. Second if you think that going in close with a spread weapon is a strategy, then you dont know what the word means. In the time I watched she would have died at least 5 times without M. She didnt know shit about strategy and positioning. Sure the HP part is possible I didnt count the shots, but she still somehow survived a sniper shot. Theres no denying shes op and she did way too well for someone who doesent have godlike reflexes like kirito And doesent know jack about positioning and strategy and has little gamesense. Besides everybody knows that if you arent at least a pro you cant 1v6 or 1v4 on normal servers. Wich she pulled off DESPITE being all of the above. Even kirito couldnt do that without support.
Joel Peter i mean, in GGO people do run agility builds, it was one of the top metas in the first gun gale arc, it's just that they are weak and easy to counter if you're prepared to face them. The AGI build thrives mainly in hit and run conditions, and ambushes where the player has the element of surprise, but ultimately it can get picked apart real quick by a good sniper. We even see AGI builds in BoB, but even they aren't as insane as LLENN to only put points into movement speed... Because speed will only get you so far, and it's been shown many times that her build isn't as crazy op as it seems, but she gets crazy lucky, and uses those opportunities to her advantage to take the win, because protagonist.
Daffyhat Kirito not only trained for 2 years with one of Japan's greatest kendo masters but he was also apart of the SAO beta and combining those skills he became powerful
I think you misunderstood ggo. Its not a battle royale, its a mmo with guns. Llens agility isnt a product of her build. It's a product of her amazing farming. Remember how at the beginning she used to hunt and trap monsters and players in an environment she had a strategic advantage. Her small size, and pink colour fitting the sand of the desert made her as visible as a gecko. And she isn't invincible, hit her a few times and she's down. She maxed agility, like kirito in the original sao. A bit of carelessness would cost her life since her armor stats are, well, she maxed agility right. In sao however, kirito maxed his agility but still got a crap ton of hp. What Kirito did is, he found the strenght in a stat and maxed it because of previous experience and got op because he's a farming god. What Llen did is, she found an advantage over her hitbox because of experience and got op because she's a farming god. Mind you, Kirito faced monsters solo in a battle while Llen set up traps to not die due to her lack of hp and armor because she's maxing agility. The interesting thing about the battle royale mode in ggo is that no ones stats are the same. Apparently in this game there's no limit. I agree on the hitbox part, it's very op. It doesnt make kirito less op though. Kirito got op just for the sakes of being op, llen used a well through thought strategy considering her disadvantages. And this is -knowledge of the game-. Understanding the game. You dont have to be a nerd like M, simple tricks can get you far. Kirito used his knowledge as he was a beta tester and she used her gathered experience while and by farming. Thats just about the original sao. In ggo kirito had no reason to be op. Sword mechanics and physics arent the same in every game. He probably maxed his agility again like Llen. How the should in game that is about guns a sword be superior? its like a knife can block bullets and it cant. In llens case she gave up her main weapon to shield her from bullets that are very likely fatal. In Kiritos case he can cut bullets with no price to pay? Thats even more ridiculous. To me the op sword plays are more op than the small hitbox. The smaller hitbox is the only thing that makes her op. She couldve fucked up greatly. I only watched 5 mins of the video, but so you know, in the original ggo skins couldnt be changed, only by purchasing accounts from others. Which makes llen all the more op. But, in the end, she wouldnt have gotten so op, this fast if it was in a balanced game. And honestly, they needed her to be stronger than anyone else for the story and I don't mind since they tried to make it make some sense. Other than in cough cough kiritos case cough cough.
Tony Hutaki I mean do Call of duty or halo has wide open maps where you can both pve against monsters and pvp? Does Call of Duty have dungeons? (Where Simon got her Hecate)
Are you aware that GGO is still a level based game? Despite being a FPS, where your gun defines you, LLENN spent a whole lotta time PK-ing quite a lot before the first Squad Jam, and this was before she started teaming up with Pito for farming. I imagine her level has gone up quite a whole lot, with her putting points in mostly AGI, with some STR to cover the requirements for her guns.
SAO was also Level based with stat points, why do people hate on Kirito for leveling up a lot. The only genuine plot armor in the first Arc was Yui being saved and Kirito cheating death at The End.
Don't you guys notice? Sigsawa is keeping SAO Tradition and I have the clues: MC's both have: - a plain irl apperance - been kissed by main girl of their respective series - a harem. (If your yuri goggles are strong enough)
As much as I absolutely fangirl over yuri, I would not say that she completely had a harem. At least not compared to the Gary Stue's harem. *I know this isn't related but remember that Kirito is a garbage character with damn near no completely notable personalities and still gains a girlfriend.* I'll never forget the game that allows you to actually cheat on Asuna.
Have you noticed something about LLENN? Her AGI build actually sucks for most of the fights. She only wins fights decisively if she ambushes her enemies and kills them all in less than one minute. If she has to actually fight someone who's prepared for her, it's a _waaaay_ tougher fight and she often has to be bailed out by her partner. We saw this when she had to fight Boss at the end of Squad Jam 1 and then Pito at the end of the show. And she couldn't have won against MMTM in SJ1, M had to do the heavy lifting and snipe them all himself. tl;dr LLENN is not OP at all, she's actually underpowered. What makes her seem OP is her crazy luck (c'mon, what were the chances of her finding a player in the dome who JUST HAPPENED to use the SAME AMMO AND SAME MAGAZINES as her gun? lmao)
And its basicaly how the AGI players in BoB (Pale Rider and that guy with suglasses) was defeated. Someone snipe shooting it while they are doing all the hit&run bullshit in other player.
@profwaldone "ammo and mags are relatively standardised, while sets from different guns are less reliable, they will do the trick in a pinch." Spoken by someone who doesn't know anything about guns. Ammo may be standardized, magazines are *not.* The gun industry squeezes as much profit as possible out of the customer by having each gun use its own proprietary magazine. It's why the Mini-14 is so hated today. People have been hollering at Sturm Ruger & Co. to make it take AR-15 magazines for 20 years, they ain't budging on that. Hell, manufacturers don't even have mag compatibility with their own guns. The Smith & Wesson M&P9 (which was also Fukaziroh's pistol in the dome battle) and SD9VE are chambered in the same cartridge and are made by the same manufacturer. The magazines aren't interchangeable. Same story with the Beretta 92/96 and Beretta Px4 Storm. In fact, really, the only magazines that have commonality among lots of firearms are Glock pistol mags and AR-15 mags. LLENN uses a Fabrique Nationale P90 chambered in the 5.7x28mm cartridge, this is a very rare cartridge that is used (to the best of my knowledge) in only about half a dozen guns on Earth. On top of that, the magazine that the P90 uses is a one-of-a-kind horizontal loader in order to fit 50 rounds. It was absolutely insane luck that Clarence happened to: 1. Be the last survivor of the 18 players LLENN & Fuka killed in the dome 2. Use an AR-57 rifle, which is 2a. insanely rare itself, and 2b. chambered in 5.7x28mm and 2c. uses the *exact same magazines as the P90.* That's just BS luck no matter how you slice it.
The movement speed is an upgradable stat, not due to character size or anything, and as stated in the original Gun Gale arc in SAO2 (Why do I remember this? Dont ask me, I dont even like SAO) it is stated that most players do have a run and gun build, but they usually put a few stats into their strength, so they can use heavier weapons. LLENN focused entirely on it and is using a very light and weak weapon, she should be extremely susceptible to snipers, but the show kinda glosses over that with some convenient plot armour to raise stakes (thats not really a jab at SAO:A GGO, i did enjoy the spin off, it just kinda is plot armour)
Your not wrong. Plot armor is a common theme in intertainment. Either way I enjoyed it, which was the goal. Ill give it a shoulder shrug and chop it up to being a cartoon, a couple levels higher than a standard one at that.
Kirito was broken plot wise Llen was broken by design Its not that one is more broken than the other its just the first one was broken for no reason at all besides the plot demanded it
Llen was broken by plot. Her design is based entirely on the MC wanting to be chibi, plus she gets away with ridiculous feats while everyone else in the game plays worse than the average IA bot.
She gets by thanks to the op character and luck But luck can't explain kirito so he's the one really broken, I mean can luck explain how he, after taking just some classes on programming could literally hack the system to bring Yui back as an Item?
Patrick Wood while Pchan is a rare weapon thats still llenns strongest item and pito has access to a large variety of guns. In the light novel she even has one of the super rare sniper guns which there are only like 5 in the whole game the sniper sinon has another one of these snipers. The only other thing that would makes pchan feel op to me is that llenn can use it as a shield but then she loses it.
XBOX R LOSERS well other pro games either dead hide in city.. Who know. When you real life put in real. You want or not... Expert or pro life is survival instinct .
XBOX R LOSERS yeah my English broken one still that don't mean I cant win again you .word one way of communicating.... And look like I lack that and you don't. That doesn't matter. The meaning behind word reason I try to reach you. You reply to me mean I successfully archive one of objective if this game made. Same as kirito situation .
The first scene in SAO 2 is an interview with the top-ranked player in GGO... for the Bullet of Bullets tournament. He talks about how AGI builds aren't competitive anymore, and how STR and high-caliber weapons were going to be the game's leading meta moving forward. However, that was in the context of a solo tournament, BoB. The rules change when you're working in squads, and mobility and positioning become vital components of a winning strategy. Llenn honed her skills PKing in the desert almost exclusively soloing against teams of other players, to the point that even as a noob it took Pito and her ridiculous talent to match her. Her build and experience are basically tailor-made for a team tourney where ambushes and rapid group clearing are the name of the game. That said, notably she loses in the end to the only team that adopts a real-world survival strategy. In the end, GGO IS far better written than SAO ever was, and I think Llenn is more or less justified in being as good as she is. She abuses indestructible cover to high heaven and gets lucky a few times too many, but her backstory accounts for her crazy PK skills.
No way, the bullet speed of Sniper Rifle owned by Shino is much more faster than Lienn's Gun, Kirito is even able to predict the prediction line of the rifle (i mean even without the prediction line he is able to predict). the only advantage of Lleen is her speed. but even Eiji who has this incredible unhuman speed and skill in Ordinal Scale was still beaten by kirito. There is no way Llenn can win over him. even though Llenn is top number one in the game(shes not), Kirito is the person who beated the Administritor of SAO, he is the person beyond the system. There is no way Llenn could win.
Louis Xu While I don't really care who win, I do want to rebunk some of your point In the movie Eiji likely would win if Kirio didn't destroy his gear thing.(that cheating equipment that allows him to go beyond normal human limit), as Kirito is really struggling against Eiji (maybe not if he have the vr support thing) And Eiji is fighting him in close combat. Llenn has both speed and range. If Llenn is smart, she likely wouldn't go near Kirito and keep her distances. Yes, Kirito has his handgun, but Llenn likely would dodge it. The only way I see Kirito would win is that Llenn run out of his bullets before Kirito run out of stamina to swing his sword (we know stamina is a thing in GGO bc Llenn do show stamina loss when she is running) and have to use her knife. I don't think Kirito have any long, stamina consuming combat in GGO since he mostly finish his fight under a short time.
Louis Xu What you proven is only kirito's reaction speed. If you can prove that Kirito can get close to Llenn or that his stamina can last long enough against Llenn, I will agree that Kirito will win. For now, the outcome of a fight aginst each other is still unknown.
Jianwei Gao But Llenn's playstyle is getting close to the enemy to get kills, this becomes more frequent as the show goes on until it becomes literally a melee fight at the end. If she kept her distance, she wouldn't be able to win because of her lack of accuracy at medium ranges. She would have to use her grenades at least. Plus since you mentioned the stamina bar, Llenn could also run out of stamina so that's a possibility. Although I am skeptical about Kirito's chances of winning considering that he was able to cut bullet after bullet in GGO only because he need to do so to win in a life and death situation. Oh and about the stamina thing, I'm not sure if that counted for sword swing as well now that you mention it, running consuming stamina does make sense in an FPS game after all, not sure about GGO considering swords are not even used that often. Plus, Kirito's character in GGO is strength agility types, while he's definitely not beating Llenn in terms of speed, he can last a battle if agility = stamina.
She's only faster cause she build her character around speed. If she wanted to build for tank then she wouldn't be as fast regardless of character design.
Luruk Yeah if I remember correctly there were stats in GGO. So I think she pumped a lot into agility. Which is funny as I think in the other GGO series it was a bad idea to invest in agility.
and that does not make sense, how is a smaller short legged char able to move faster than a bigger slimmer and long-legged one? the answer: loli waifu b8
I wonder what were the other player's build, since they seemed to suck on everything they did, almost like their characters were average humans vs a broken speed demon.
Kirito can slice up a .50BMG ammo round from point blank. Without the help of the system. Kirito can also proficiently use a sniper rifle which he used to save Sinon when she got paralyzed. (he managed to hit Death Gun from afar) And most of all.. He defended against full-auto spray against a Light Machine Gun (that one long scene of blocking bullets) and against dual SMGs (not shown but was mentioned in the novels) If it would be a Kirito vs LLENN matchup. Kirito would win hands down. Imo Kirito, while also having superior reaction time, has also superior Agility than LLENN. Well.. You cant react if youre not fast enough. And to the point of managing a point-blank battle against a dual smg user (which would have a better firing rate than a single P90), Winning against Asuna (basically a speed demon rapier user dubbed the "Flash"), and managed to even notice the god-speed cheat that heathcliff did. I could safely say that Jesus-kun is still Jesus-kun. Also, LLENN was already a veteran PKer way before she met Pitohui, in the novels, she decided to quit PK and went back to Monster Farming when she met Pito, she quit PK because whole guilds were head-hunting her. She was that good. She wasnt a noob when SJ1 started. She was a pro at ambush PK. The only thing she learned new during SJ1 was when M trained her with CQC
Your point is that kirito is much SKILLFULLY or POWERFULL? To me both he slice a sniper bullet Dodge death guns sniper WITH A SILENCER (probably misspell the word there) AND THAT'S MOSTLY IMPOSSIBLE, and he got a really good at hearing!!!!!!!
GGO actually does have a stat system and the reason no one uses agi builds is because they arent actually good for most things. LLENN sacrifices a ton of offensive stats for her build which in PVE can be balanced out better but in PVP player agency plays a wild card. So while an AGI build is mostly trash in PVP it works for her since she knows how to work around her hitbox.
LLEN also can't really carry that much either since she's so small. So maybe a bigger character would have it's advantages so you don't run out of ammo the way that LLEN did.
It doesn't really matter cause ggo knows it's stupid and doesn't take itself seriously it also gives us some fun characters that are not sexualised to the point of being raped by tentacles or being part of a harem.The ridiculousness of the action scenes makes it even more fun especially thinking no one dies it's just a show that wants to be fun and nothing more overanalyzing has no point.Also it doesn't matter is llenn is op because she is a far more likeable than kirito and in the end that's what matters
As a character? I agree. As for her character model, I suppose it was a bit OP in speed (Assuming it wasnt speced for speed) and size letting her hide easier. Hm, having S class character models also could expain why people was willing to buy characters? Even Kirito had a special model people wanted. It may have been that the sleeker characters always naturally has a speed boost.
Kirito is definitely not a good character, but LLENN is just a screw up in everywhere that counts. Her motivation is none and her development as a character doesn't exist. She started and ended the same character.
I just wanna point out that GGO is a virtual reality game with actual people doing actual movement and there is no programming on what attacks you can do, that said, Len is a human and she could jump over a car and shoot into the hall that the car has after raising her stats since it’s a game therefore it doesn’t really break any rules because it has organic gameplay
I think he said the game was broken since there is an OP build like hers. Basicaly she has abilities and advantages that other people can't much. To put it in blunt terms an RPG where there is a class that is unbeatable everyone would choose and the others would be obsolete.
@@Raximus3000 Ragnarok with asura build monk. The only other build that can beat them is a build with a godly item and a character built to exploit said godly item. This is a real life game with large player base even with severe balance problem.
@@kazedcat Is Rgnarok online heavily based on PvP?? This is closer to a fighting game where one character does more damage than the rest with its normal attacks. Plus like you just pointed out there are ways to beat them!! In her case if she had Kirito's skill she'd be unstopable!!!
@@Raximus3000 GGO is not heavily based on PvP. It is primarily an MMO just like Ragnarok. The player based on Ragnarok on the other hand primarily choose their build for PvP. You only get variety on builds due to Guild War system that need multiple character builds to work together to assualt or depend castles. The godly items are limited in numbers so a rare few could even have them just like Llenn's chibi avatar only instead of hiding them in rng they are hidden in limited quest and will be unavailable after a fix amount of players have completed the quest.
I don't know. If I remember correctly Kirito had an unfair advantage from all of his stats being transferred from the previous game so he had ridiculous speed which is what enabled him to dodge and deflect bullet lines like that. He was probably way speedier than Llenn is.
Llenn is Basically A Powerful Glass Canon.. one or two well-placed hits and she is Done. But You have to Decent or Skilled Player to Deal with her. She has More experience in Gungale, High Luck, And Speed., and She is Short... her weakness is her low defense.. but good luck trying to land a Blow on her. She is still more balanced than Kirito
first off~ dude~ the immortal object bodys where implemented in Squad Jam and are only available in aquad jam each body that drops remains an immortal object for 10 minutes until they get respawned at the nearest local thats a big issue i have with your explanation about LLENN Using bodys to cover behind even if she where to hide behind Fuka or someone similar in size it would be difficult for her as well but still doable also everyone could've done that ... using dropped allies as shields but LLENN Given the Heroine Plot armor was the only one smart enough to do that.
The character rng affects all Seed games, its not solely a GGO problem. The insane speed was a class system explained in SAO2: agility runs fast>strength carries more guns and recoil control. Dead body feature exists in PUBG, and people use when they prone next to a dead body to be small enough to be covered by it-- its just a niche tactic. I don't think you need significant game knowledge to be decent in GGO, because it's all basically realism. A general theme in GGO is survival, and that shows especially well in a Battle Royale setting. I mean, come on, you're talking about RNG in a Battle Royale (real life?), which is always prevalent. Llenn just showed that she had a higher learning capability and higher resolve to survive. Keep in mind that a lot of the features in Squad Jam is is a first to everyone-- map scan and corpse immortality (there's not going to be a complete competitive setting when they have no where to practice). The Squad Jam basically comes down to which team could adapt faster, rather than a professional match where players could map out their every moves before the game starts.
Player Not Found So you're telling me a noob with absolutely no gane knowlege created the most op build in existence by accident? Seems a bit far fetched if you ask me besides a machine gun would send her flying if that was the case, the most she could use would be a light pistol. And then that bs about realism and adaptability. How is it realistic that this midget can run at mach 9 with those small legs? Doesent really make sense. Also the prevalence of strategy is clear in the first tournament, if M didnt tell her what to do she would have gotten fucked. You cant 1v6 unless you are a pro level player flexing, wich she isnt.
Joel Peter yup, that’s what I’m saying. Alistar w-q was invented when a player noticed it in a bot match in LoL; double pump meta started when a player noticed the shotguns could be timed in Fortnite; in PUBG people didn’t know you could get rid of fire by jumping into water, until they tried testing the game’s logic. So many metas are started by some form of accident, and the fact that GGO is an MMORPG-style game makes it even more interesting because there are so many unexplored mechanics and possible metas to unfold when players start trying to incorporate those mechanics to a Battle Royale, AKA the stats system. Edit: The fact that GGO was made with the intention to be an MMORPG-like game (like Destiny), then all of a sudden you try turn it into a Battle Royale by making these one-time a month/week? tournaments- it shouldn’t be surprising to see accidental op strategies and builds.
Player Not Found I agree but It never was a total newbie who found out about it. Most of the time its a veteran who tried out the game mechanics after knowing them and seeing a possible exploit.
Joel Peter Um, the anime explained she played the game 3-4 months... and didn’t she qualify for the tournament in the first place? Llenn couldn’t differentiate bullet types or know when to engage, because GGO is primarily a pve game, she couldn’t care less. She was a complete noob to br, but so was almost everyone else in the Squad Jam, even the so called ‘pros’...- they didn’t even pay attention to the stat system, and what about the machine gun lovers? The hovercraft squad didn’t even know how to deal with a Blitz-like (from R6) confrontation when they were fighting M. Heck, M was really the only ‘skilled’ player and that’s only because he has real life experience with guns and has a natural born talent with maps. In the second Squad Jam, Llenn did much better- knowing when to engage, disengage, and cqc. But so did everyone else, who had only learned from Llenn in the first squad jam to use the corpse immortality, traps, and camping strat. Point is, Llenn already had experience with aim and controlling the bullet circle (which I imagine would be a skill even more important than recoil control)- she was on equal footing as everyone else in the game, which is, they were all new to Battle Royale and to a degree pure pvp. Llenn from Squad Jam 1 to Squad Jam 2 are obviously completely different, because she’s now extremely used to playing pvp, as so with everyone else.
I literally just finished this anime 5 minutes ago thinking "that was great but isn't it kinda unfair that len has such a small hitbox compared to the regular big burly men in this show" and then this video popped up in my subscription.that timing could not have been better
For what its worth in the light novel its explained that the build llenn has while having high speed and agility has relatively low vitality meaning she takes more damage when hit I think this was shown in her fight against eva when a kick did significant damage. Seems her short height would make her op compared to other characters though.
Kirito is still way more OP. Kirito was doing insane crap against game bosses. Not PVP players. Lenn is still a bit OP in speed, but I don't thinks he is game breaking OP like Kirito was.
We had a montage of Llenn farming players. Fuka told Llenn about her practicing with her grenades. Pro players CAN get owned by noobs, but most pros will never admit it. Kirito literally lost all his health, still won, had apparent sword training before being a gamer, and was only OP in GGO cuz the other players were too dumb to ever try deflecting bullets with the photon sword. Pitohui taking on so many people isn't an in game mechanic and she isn't a normal gamer. She is freaking bloodthirsty and ambitious. And I just thought a dead body being an "immortal object" was out of respect of the fallen player, but I don't really know. Them shooting the body was kinda funny though.
A lot of games have hitboxes the same size as the character, and I honestly think its a great mechanic. it was also explained in the show why nobody does full agility builds in the game anymore.
Yamikaze was just as fast if not faster than llenn it is agi the stat that determines speed not character model but yeah the hitbox thing is unbalanced but ar games like ggo focus more on realism than balance ie you dont pick how you look when are born so you look more unique sea of thieves went for that but they balanced it with hitboxes were the same regardless also the smaller character models in ggo seem to have far less hp since llenn seems to go into red in less bullets than was shown for many other characters
not the point I am only trying to emphasize Llenn's speed was not unique also you can run calculation on speed shown on kirito as well was comparable the game is not the most balanced game out there but neither is real life im below average in height myself but not by any choice so am I OP too?
Remember that yamikaze in ep12 wasnt moving as fast as llenn, he was moving as fast as everyone else sprinting, they only teased his speed earlier and when it came to showing he died because like an idiot he stood in the spot and despite being able to dodge shots at point blank during teasing he didnt react to amr being fired in any way, sure...plot convience at its finest.
Da Voodoo you do remember that a Sniper's first shot is hidden in the game. Yamikaze stopped moving since he saw the op bullshit kirito did dodging that very same concealed first sniper shot (or rather the bullet flew by him) allowing Sinon to make the shot.
Da Voodoo also the comparison of Yamikaze and LLENN in speed is not factorable as SAO and the Alt was made by different studios. The A1 style portraying speed is different to the studio that did the Alt. For comparison, watch Kiritard vs that cowboy gunman game or the bullshit blocking against a full auto. Compare that to just blurring shit up like how LLENN does her dashes.
GGO was stupid, but very enjoyable, and as I see the creators never attempted to make a deep game with realistic scenarios. They knew what it was, we knew what it was, and it was a great thing to watch.
Ready. Real answer down below. No, Llen is not more OP than Kirito. You're telling me she'd survive being in the same situations Kirito's been in. Lol, please. Easy peasy, thats the real answer.
You gotta remember, Kirito is well known for having a lot of plot armor. Also known to be a garbage character as a whole. I won't say that he wouldn't be able to beat Llenn. He is well known for building up his plot armor so much. Now, if he didn't have plot armor, it would really be questionable. Heck, I wonder how long he would even survive Sao.
@100gg That isn't plot armor because it's literally his ability. I don't think you know how plot armor works. So let me explain it to you. First off, I just want you to know that I don't like Subaru at all. I don't even like Re:zero. But the comparison you made was a little dumb. A perfect example of plot armor would be stuff like the "willpower" stuff. Which was later on explained in a lot of other episodes later in the series. Which was pretty stupid if you ask me. Other examples would be like the time where the villain has a lot of perfect chances to murder the hero or win against the hero. But never takes the chance because the plot demands it. This can be shown as plot armor. Because there is no reason for the villain not to kill the hero. Plot armor saved the hero in the situation. (Other stuff could be like "getting lucky' way too many times, and etc.) Subaru on the other hand was explained. His revive from the death thing was shown. And it's not like somebody could really stop it either. It's like saying that somebody gained power for the first time, used it and just automatically it's considered "power armor" by your definition.
@100gg Yeah, it also goes by the same thing as just plot controlling. Where the plot demands certain characters from even dying. These two can be mixed with each other like it always has. And once again, what I said still applies as an ability. Also, using Goku was a horrible example. Because DBZ is horrible at writing as well. Look, I know you absolutely love self-insert characters. Which is why you're trying your best to defend Kirito. But it still applies. The problem with characters like him is the fact that the plot armor is shown far too many times. Damn near everything Kirito says and does is right. And most likely, if you disagree with him at all, you're either a villain, a character who may die later, or an absolute goofball. And even if what I said about Subaru was wrong, this doesn't excuse Kirito at all. Especially seeing from how it was used. Unlike Kirito, Subaru's stuff isn't bs. (Which is what plot armor is usually used for. BS situations that should have never happened.) Because once again, the ability still applies and shows.
@100gg I have even given you an example on why Kirito is bad. That isn't the only reason to why Kirito is such a horrible character. I don't even find him likable by the slightest. At best I find him to be the type of character I would hate for eternity.
6:35 Yeah that scene still amazes me to this day. Why the hell would anyone crouch in a circle out in the open just to be picked off. Those players had to be either completely incompetent or grade schoolers.
LLENN is more OP than Kirito ? Haha...nice try but no. Kirito beat The Salamander commander - who has played ALO longer than most people and have the 2nd best sword in game - with a beginner sword and little to no experience with mid air fighting. Kirito beat SAO ADMIN with his health depleted to 0. He didn't even die because the rage of losing his waifu kept him going in a world dictated by codes and numbers, Kirito somehow use illusion to breath fire and take out an entire squad of high level well equip players with A BEGINNER SWORD. Kirito literally beat Orbeon because The ghost of Deus Ex Machina give him Admin tools. Good video but there is no way LLENN can out OP Kirito.
kirito was broken from day 1 for no reason Llen was not, you can see how she learns the game more over time, and learn how to use her broken character model to her advantage good thing about ggo is they supply reasons for everything (idk if there's plotholes or something where they don't supply reasons but you get the point) Llen's teammate in sj2 was basically useless half of the time because she was new to the agme, but she helped because she spent the time to learn how her gun shoots and how it functions, like if you snipe you have to know how fast the bullet moves and how far it falls with time
couple of points to point out here, is if you do remember for the plot (yes there was a plot XD) she was searching through hundreds (dunno the number xdd) of games to only get a chibi character, i think she did deserve that, and as long as its random rng, i would be totally fine with that. As for the agility, Palen Rider was very similar, he had overwhelming mobility, he was just simply taller than LLENN, but stil.. its still possible to get those stats, juding by this, its just not seems for popular for some reason? Maybe becouse of the first ep of GGO in SAO 2? they were disgussing the possible falldown of agility based characters no? dunno. As for Fuka (her duo sister in the second SJ) you say shes not experienced? Whys that? Shes a pro gamer for gods sake xD.. or just a computer nerd gamer, but still. And even tho we couldnt see in the anime, she said she did practice shooting from distance for the sake of the team. Kirito more experienced? Not rly, he had like no experience at all in GGO, hes more experienced in Fantasy, true that, but not in Gun games o.o.. Fuka would be the same lvl in this game, and they even played the same game a bit thats for sure since Fuka did mention she played against a player from ALO named Sekken etc etc. Dunno man, its just random RNG i would be totally fine with that in game.
senpai sama I’m gonna assume that’s a joke since literally kirito used a sword the entire fucking time and barely used his reaction time to block shots. IT IS LITERALLY AN OP WEAPON BECAUSE THE GAME SHOWS YOU WHERE THE SHOT IS.
In the anime is said that some weapons need more str status to be used, like big machineguns or sniper rifle. Since LLENN use only a sub-machine gun (P90) she don't need the Str status so high and can put everything on aglity to escape
this video proves that the writer of GGO is better than SAO because he/she's able to write a OP character without looking too OP at first or second glance, hell, even before watching this video, i never thought that LENN was that OP, or i'm just too dumb
Ace Exactly! Even if it’s a vr game it’s still broken as hell, and the ggo spin off writer had to add in many stuff to the world of ggo to make it more appealing, considering how much a mess ggo started with the original writer that worked on the original material. The spin off writer is a gun to gun nerd when he tried to incorporate the guns’ mechanics, but to see it as a gaming stand point I don’t think so, however some of the stuff he showcased in the anime and light novel were nice but stray from the fact that everything in the game was broken. I appreciate and applaud the spin off writer for doing his research for the spin off, it’s not perfect and fleshed out but it’s still way better than what we got in sao 2. Llenn is a better character than Jesus-kun(kirito)and fuck rgm!
Well, the grind exists in GGO as well, so people could put stat points to enhance their abilities to superhuman extents... and the more people grind, the more combat experience they get, the more they can enhance their stats, the better gears they get...
The main broken feature (imo) is randomized characters. How is that fair for anybody who wants to focus on one certain play-style? You're forced into playing a certain way just based on the character given to you, or play any style but never unlock its full potential.
So, this pretty much proves my point about some people being bias against Kirito. When you understand the context behind everything that he does, it makes sense why he's one of the more powerful players we see in the games he plays. Whereas Llenn really is just broken because of her luck, yet so many people love her more by comparison. And yes, she has more of a personality than him so that would explain why in that specific comparison why people like her more, (that, and shes a cute pink loli with a P90) but I've seen characters with even less personality (and happen to be more broken), than Kirito, yet people don't hate them as much. Anyway, thats that rant over. Now on to my main point. And as much as I did like this anime, especially with how it went into more detail about how the game works compared to the Phantom Bullet Arc, that Arc at least made GGO seem more like a balanced game. I know this is because this story in the same game Reki wrote, but I still don't get why the Avatar you get is down to RNG, despite some players having Avatars sorta looking like their real-world counterparts, as evident Kirito and Sinon in GGO, and how they are not customisable, which again, is shown to not be the case with all games as Kirito changes the appearance of his Avatar in ALO (Unless that was due to him resetting his account). I also wish they went into how stats work in this games. What effects a certain stat to increase. What are the limitations or drawback of focusing on one specific state, ect. Because as far as we are aware, Llenn speed stat being so high seems to be based on the fact that her Avatar is so small. So basically, if character customization isn't a thing, you fucked from the second you start GGO if you end up with a shit Avatar, unless stats really do effect what you can and can't do in game.
LLENN's speed stat has nothing to do with her avatar's size. Fuka is the same size as her but all her stats are in strength and HP, she has almost no agility.
Please explain how some minor classes in programing allowed kirito to hack the system, or how he went to 0HP but still didnt dissappear AND still beat the admin.
It's because she's a cute girl people in Japan know if you just make a cute girl people will just eat that shit up you can make a Mary sue and a stupid plot piont and they'll still like it
Nobody really has a "bias against Kirito." Most everybody agrees that people would like him better if he had something more to his character. There's a reason why SAO Abridged is considered an improvement over the original Anime and largely due to how they handle Kirito's overall characterization. @One Punch Fish - Really, you're calling Llenn a Mary Sue? Really?
They can put their stats into speed and agility but everyone else went for accuracy and some other random stats(I don't remember exactly what) because of the professional player who died in SAO 2 telling them it was best(yes he did say otherwise in the first episode but the people groaning implies that they can't redo stats so they are stuck with the old meta) so no one would have max run speed because because of being told other stuff was more important
Totally agree with your analysis, LLENN is totally broken makes me thin of the Mei skin in Combat arms but totally way more overpowered. GGO is described as a hardcore shooter but it is not even close. It very arcady like COD and i would say more so. Only reason I would play GGO honestly is if it was the only shooter around and i really REALLY needed my FPS fix. But that wouldn't happen since hardcore shooters currently exist and will continue to improve in the future. Heck just check out what Escape From Tarkov is doing right now and it puts GGO to shame.
It IS video game specifically an MMO based anime though in the other ones, there is a huge emphasis on the romance between Kirito and Asuna. I can understand why people like it though once you look at it without blinders, you will see how bad and for me and a lot of people, that's how we came to stop loving it.
I am tired so I will just say that this video just is some biased guy ignoring half of the anime and warping facts to fit a pre-determined narrative for some flashy click bait. Llenn did work for her power for one. You also ignore the brutality of the game that screams realistic hit boxes. You are more than a kill joy when you expect a game of this lvl to stoop down to your lvl. Llenn studied the game and learned everything you said she did not. And to start in GGO you have a girl spewing 900 RPM and has both home advantage and heavily researched on the game and you ignore that and say some coward with a sword will beat her. Get over yourself. Unlike Kirito in GGO Llenn's power comes from the time she put into actually lvl and learn. You see her display the things she learned from M in SJ2. That and it was EMPHISIZED that when there was something she did not know she would spend hours looking it up to learn. Her power is her own. I am not saying it is not broke but you ignored everything relevant and warped the truth. Btw if hypothetically GGO was real and Llenn existed then you can be sure to see Llenn unlike Kirito as already shown in the animes actually be killable... Kirito can not be killed. When he goes all out he is the definition of being so fucking OP and broken that OP and broken are not good enough words to describe him. Llenn is far closer to reality than Kirito EVER has been or will be. Llenn is also better developed as a character as well. I said I was tired and would not say much but seems I went off anyways. Let me put this out there as well.. I could go into EXTREME detail and explain why you are wrong as well as why using IRL present day games as a template for balance is wrong but you were stupid enough to do this shit so I doubt you would understand anyway. That and I really am tired.. Also to those who just want to say I am hating on SAO or favor one char over the other in a biased way then I say to you that actually SAO was my first so many years back and that I still like it despite personally knowing how shit it really is generally. The concept is perfect.. The actual product is shit. I still like it.. Also SAO-A-GGO WAS ACTUALLY LITTERALLY A BIG MIDDLE FINGER TO THE ORIGINAL PROVING THIS POINT...
Also forgot to point out that despite the time in the anime being close to now that the tech is still decades in the future so game balance from some of these out dated unbalanced games are not good for templates. I can not believe you actually used a shit show like D2 as proof of XP fr... Bungie would love you and every person with a brain would laugh and cringe at the birth of a new comedian using their own retardation as the content....
RayOfTruth kirito had a personality he could be funny, awkward, feel sadness regret worried but right we'll ignore that because of he's op but I wonder why that's not the case when it comes to HER I wonder
One Punch Fish Kirito has a personality alright....the most bland, generic, and boring personality in anime history for a main character, not even mentioning the completely out of no where bullshit moments where disbelief cannot be suspended like him all of a sudden being able to hack into the SAO mainframe....or picking up anything for the first time and being extremely good at it.... There is no comparison, Llen is literally a better character in every single way possible, hell even her OPness is easily explained by just the unbalanced nature of the game and the character she got. Not "just because plot" like kirito. You do realize the writer of GGO Alternative is superior to the writer of SAO right? SAO is actually being rewritten to fix the countless plot holes the WRITER himself has admitted too, its a fucking mess of a show. Kirito's story and character in particular being one of the biggest issues. I know what i'm talking about as I've read both SAO(up to Sword Art Online 15: Alicization Invading) and GGO (up to volume 6). So yea buddy, not because "shes a cute girl" lol. Hell, that's not even a reason for me.
Exactly as long as it's a cute girl fuck the rules of the world make her as op you can no wonder why it's so easy to make female MC likable just make them cute and you win
Yep. A byproduct of Japan's obsession with making anything it can get its hands on "cute", with its roots in its postwar economic rebuilding strategy, as detailed in a lot of historical studies. It works on me, but at this point I've turned apathetic at a lot of the shit Japan throws at me so I just shrug at alot this stuff. If anyone is bored enough, here's an example: aas2.asian-studies.org/EAA/EAA-Archives/14/2/843.pdf
TBH They should've added like a majority of the characters trying the sword out because if someone came and started dominating with a weapon everyone in the game will try out the weapon, for example if some pro player in csgo started to dominate the game with the AUG everyone will try and use the AUG.
Funny enough I just watched a video by ThePedanticRomantic yesterday that hit on a lot of these plot holes lol. I have to say, I was pretty excited for this show based on the 1st ep but that was just a hook to get me to stick around tbh. The moment I stopped and really thought about the 1st plot hole I found screwed me because all I could do after that is watch for more of them. The best part is that at the start of the original GGO, 1st guy to talk rants about how agility builds are over and there's gonna be a new meta over some other stat and yet I assume that Kirito used agility build and Llen definitely used one. Why did no one else use one in GGO:Alt if after watching BoB Kirito successfully won (tied I guess) using it? Because main character needs to have something OP over everybody else even if it makes the whole rest of them look stupid lol
Agility builds in GGO was kind of a "early game build", but once the game started its middle to late existence almost all weapons become usable only for high STR characters and the Full AGI with minimum STR builds got kind of binded with lower rank weapons.
Remember that llenn used vz-91 since the start before buying p90 and she was dubbed a pink devil already because of how fast she killed, i dont see how investing so much points that you cripple every characteristic is beneficial if gun requiring no stats still shreds in you in short burst... Also i wonder what ppl using regular assault rifles put their points into cause they arent any more tanky nor faster than a girl with 2 grenade launchers or guy carrying a goddamn barricade in his backpack. I seriously would consider it if body armor was a thing in this game and that requires strength to move in. A guy in eod suit with gatling would make sense but without that hes just an easy target for everyone.
Kirito has a STRENGTH build!! How can anyone even mistake that!?!? Did you even watch the series? Kirito has very fast reflexes BUT has a STRENGTH BUILD!!!
Mikester919 Yes I watched the series, back when it aired in 2014 that is so forgive me if I don't remember the subtle details of a show I didn't particularly enjoy. As far as Google results go I couldn't find any info on what Kirito's stats were and that's why I stated that I was ASSUMING this to be the case. If his stats were explicitly stated at some point during the anime or in the LN then let me know, that is fine, but considering that the SAO wiki says strength affects carrying capacity & ability to wield certain guns I deduced that wasn't his primary stat as all I remember him using was a handgun and his sword. Unless he needed a lot of strength to wield his beam sword, agility seemed to be the most logical stat choice since it affects player movement speed and evasive ability. A touch of vitality to ensure he doesn't get one shotted and it'd seem like a decent set but this is a made up game in an anime so what do I know right?
Mikester919 actually Kirito's build is "STR / AGI" (Sinnon used this exact term) with STR and AGI as the highests and the others stats in a medium to low rank. And yes, he basically uses a AGI build and ignore the STR (or maybe the lightsaber needs a huge amount of STR to be used, idk).
I agree with a lot except that she's more OP than kirito. Can Lenn PREDICT bullet lines? Meaning that kirito counters one of the moves all the "pro's" use ( the "put your finger only on the trigger when actually making the shot" making it not display a bullet line. Well yeah doesn't affect kirito ) Can Lenn then use her knife to "block" or "parry" the bullets. I think you underestimate kirito because it's been to long since you've seen him in action. And I don't think M would be able to kill him. Maybe in the first encounter. But kirito being the strategist he is, would strategise around these problems once he's seen them. Also you've even said it. Lenn got lucky a lot of the times ;)
Well, basically all Sao-series anime is one piece of OP bullshit after another. That's why I've stopped watching after yui in first season when all the tension went to dump, not like there was much threat before that.
jan kubraczek i agree that season 1 wasn’t good but i actually liked season 2. Kirito has a bit of characterization in that arc and sinon is introduced too.
Ramog1000 Not really. The MC still has god tier plot armor, the tournaments are a joke, character motivations are ridiculous, all enemies have brainless IA level of skill, game balance is all over the place, ridiculous mechanics that no sensible developer would put in a shooter game. Kirito only surpasses LLENN in bullshitery thanks to him not dying for some reason at the end of the first half of the show.
Holy Blade 616 What the hell? So? What does that have to do with anything? You'd be way better off comparing Overlord characters with Fate Characters, SAO and Fate isn't anywhere near sensible...lol
trycon40 as much as I love gundam and their build series I have to say that divers is the worst and falls behind ggo. The anime is focused on a group of newbs that have very little on screen progression (training with tiger and planning against the zaku team) but it primarily has other op characters appear to support and deal with the protagonists problems 3/5 times and most of the op top tier players take an unnatural liking to the protagonists. GGO is not much different since llenn is rarely shown to have lost and has an op pro character help her early on but turns into her enemy later on forcing a new player to support her. The real edge I overall give to GGO is their slightly more natural cramming of pros and antagonists and their more apparent training moments. For the fights I also give GGO the edge since while their fights feel paced and fleshed out the fights in divers feel rushed and too much diolauge and cockpit shots are crammed in the middle.
Ashchi Salleh 1. Don't make a statement without proof or examples. 2. Both are not dangerous, GGO is only dangerous maybe in the fact that is a shooter game as such it is easier to create I'll will in this environment (example season 2 gun gales antagonist.) But for Divers there is no real life connection from irl and the game besides the gunpla and the builder. Anything that damages your your gunpla does not leave real world marks nor do you take any damage if hurt in GBN. There is no danger.
acetwinelf c I see lot of damage in both game.. Either psychical or heart. Because both mc fan of game . It just safe to see because both been patch for safety purposes. Still... And both has same intention evil guy.. Only difference face and theme.
Ashchi Salleh just because something can cause you to mentally be hurt does not make it dangerous. Not in this case. The game does not cause direct psychological damage. It only comes from those that cares about the game for some reason. Saying a game like that is dangerous that means fortnite, cod, and overwatch are super dangerous games.
Llenn was playing ggo for around 5 months before entering the first squad jam on , the game itself launched in april of 2025, 5 months before llenn started playing and 6 moths after SAO was beaten on november 7, 2024. Fuka we can assume has been playing alfhiem since launch. we don't exactly know when Alfhiem was launched but we can assume it was somewhere between a 6 months and a year prior to SAO was beaten as kirito's sister started playing it while he was still trapped in SAO. So Llenn and Fuka are by no means Newbies by the time Squad jam 2 happens on April 4 2026 about a month and a half after the first. As for their height they are 4'11" and they are in a full dive ritual reality not looking at their avatar on a 24+ inch screen, It's literally no different than fighting a 4'11" person in real life not everyone is 6'3" like M's avatar is. For llenn's speed it's a game it's not realistic and unlike the call of duty example you showed she did not teleport and couldn't knife people through walls. Also fuck balancing.
Kagiri i’d take llen over kirito anyday. And i haven’t even alternative yet. If someone makes a video stating that llen is stronger than kirito, i’ll believe it.
No, Kirito was overpowered and BOOOOOOOOOOORING. I mean, his character boiled down to this cool guy who's broody but also kind but also whatever the fuck the plot wanted. Christ, you wonder why SAO Abridged is considered an improvement over the Anime? Kirito there has an actual goddamn character arc.
2:50 *Cough Cough* Yamikaze, Pale Rider, Kirito. Also being small didn't really help Fuka, aside from the stealth thing. Llenn just really thinks outside the box when it comes to using her advantages. She probably has a few disadvantages as well. This is just speculation but she's probably unable to use certain weapons, probably has lower hp, strength, more recoil, etc.
Let's face it we love Kirito not because he's op or anything but because he survived a game like SAO and completed it "alone" (making him bad-ass) and we hate him at the same time coz of his op-ness (and his woman magnet features) but we can't help it coz we *Expect* him to be like than and he looks *better* to be like that while Llenn on the other side is more of the *relatable* and *interesting* character coz she's op in the sense that she uses tactics without thinking twice in situations like one on one without us viewers expecting her to use certain tactics with her *skills* and *unique* abilities (like what Kirito usually does) or expecting her to do some rage op attacks, what's more interesting about Llenn is that since she's introduced as a beginner so we have no knowledge of how she play games and yet for someone who is a newbie she op but tjen again not because of her skills but because of her tactics.
Bullshit that actually everyone exploited, one of the reasons I liked the writings of the LN compared to the anime. LLENN wasn't the only one who exploited body invulnerability for example, also Pitohuy did in the light novel and the amazonesses to defeat M. While not a master piece I have to appreciate the writer of Alternative know that Kawahara's writing is bullshit but how we turn bullshit into something fun.
More believable than SAO's bullshit, like Kirito managing to still stab healthcliff with is 0 HP and with no explanation (while using Asuna's sword that the lore explained you cannot just grab random shit and use it cuz it requires to be registered in the equipment menu outside of combat in the LN). LLENN fought with Bullshit but isn't this natural to competitive games too? if it's a pro game and it had horrendous exploits they will still do it to win.
Joel Peter not all noobs and she's not that new to the game, coz in the first place she already played the game for like months with Pito before the contest. And the tactics I was talking about were in the last part of SJ1 and the whole time in SJ2. What I was trying to say that Karen/Llenn was more relatable because we saw how she "grow" not like a certain guy who was like "Imma complete this game coz lol there's no one can" and "I'm so pro that I can be invinsible in any game"
Nicole Zia let's face it llenn has 0 experience and the only reason she won the tournament is because of M having some real life Tactical experience without m to even show her anything she would be toast. While Kirito has a natural/unnatural god like reaction time and reflexes that are so good he can cut a 50. Bmg round from 10m like holy fuck. And can come up with his own Tactics and has a unreal sence of his surrounding and can for some reason sense someones bloodlust. And Kirito can rush a machine gun with just a sword and hand gun and get close enough to do a finishing blow. while llenn only skill traits are being fast and small all things Kirito can probably handle especially since her style is Close Quarters and Kirito is a master of close quarters combat and he has a sword and she has a knife he's obviously going to win
Its most likely that LENN’s Luck Score is up there & it boosts her [Speed] scores. Yes, “Luck” is an actual stat in RPGs & in FPSRPGs, I can see the ‘Practicality’ in it.
Or at least in the tournament when she didn't participate' and someone says she's lucky she didn't because someone way more powerful or something winning the tournament I just shows a picture of kirito or it shows the tournament and kirito winning so easy
The problem with kirito's openess its just off screen BS that he may have done, we never SEE him improve he just did SUPPOSEDLY grind, luck to become op or just BS excuses you choose your poison.
Guys the thing is kirito already beaten how the vr headset preety much has control on your mind he will just turn on his hax mode again. ( what I mean is when the brain realised that what he is seeing and stuff is not true and it’s just false information and that’s when you can control it) this will now be very hard to manifest unless someone stays in the game forever and has the fear of death cause that’s preety much the only way your brain will finally realise is when your in very very bad mental state .
Honestly, I kind of liked LLENN more than Kirito on all fronts. I didn’t really care that she was given advantages. I just thought she was the better character, more “real” to put it one way.
Fuka had a lot of game experiance. It's stated that she's been a gamer for a long time and played other VR games before GGO and as it was explained in main SAO some of your stats carry over when you switch between VR games
Well yes and no. Agi builds still OP, but since people knew to counter, they are basically relegated to Tier B, Tier A being the tanky hard-hitting peeps.
i think it's pretty cool to have your avatar randomized because you can't choose your body type in real life. So it would be pretty interesting to be surprised and forced to work with your body or for your character to have advantages. Maybe it isn't too balanced but i think it would work better in full dive vr.
Oh yes. Kirito can f**kin cut a sniper shot in midair. While LIenn just runs very fast and has a smaller hitbox. Of course, Kirito will lose. And oh yes, I cant forget about the fact Kirito can predict the bullet by the shooter's eye(Line of sight)
The way I see it is that at first the game designers were probably going for a mix of realism plus ultimate customization so her hit box just happened to be shrunk down as realistically it would have to be to be able to hit her. Now as for why no one else seems to be playing this way seems to be that no one has happened to actually play a character with these stats and size so it hasn’t been taken advantage of til now. So more than likely if we were to see the future it would be really saturated with players like her, the game creators would nerf her stats or the change the rules slightly, or some one will have figured out a counter build and thus teams will end up with a mix of that and her build. That’s just how the natural progression of games works as anyone who has played LoL for a long time would tell you. As when people start exploiting any game mechanics they nerf them to make it more balanced or the players find a counter
Just a thought. Wasn't one of her motifs in the series that she's a "lucky girl"? I mean, all her OP stats in game are recognized as those: OP stats, game advantage. That's why she won the first SJ, because she was a "lucky". Even M and Pitou called her a "lucky" player, if I don't remember wrong.
6:55 What do you mean by her friend had no game knowledge? Wasn't her friend was the one who told her to play games (Not GGO) or was at least knows how to play games? If you meant she wasn't skilled in GGO then that different. Still we did see her train a bit before the tournament. If anything LLENN friend has more game knowledge then her.
Tim Xman Well I wondering in the video he was talking about if she had no game knowledge as in she's never played a game or if only the FG is all she's played. That's all.
My theory of why Llen was fast because she visited so many games before getting her loli avatar and maybe picked up an ability from one of those games like how Kirito gained the ability to deflect magic after his time in ggo
When you see the title of this video just remember when Kirito lost all of his HP in Aincrad against the creator but still didn’t disappear and manage to beat him.
Cannot get more op than that
HÊÆVÊNŁY-NØBŁEŠŠ/ 1321 true
In alfheim kirito used head admin powers so yeah he did get more up than that for one scene
HÊÆVÊNŁY-NØBŁEŠŠ/ 1321 Personally I thought it was obvious that Klein used the revival item Kirito gave him to revive his friend. I mean it's not shown but it's a reasonable explanation. Especially because it would have been unnecessary to show the viewers the item if it wouldn't have later use
well i do agree you cannot get more sudo-OP than Kirito with Admin privileges as it basically makes him a GM with the ability to modify any part of the game he wishes to do so to to which i wouldn't be surprised if he also made himself stronger in that Admin console in SAO the first half when at the admin console when trying to save Yui as the lvl jump between times that the veiwer saw his lvl was a huge lvl jump and as no one else on that floor was lvl 80 including the raid team that went to fight the boss he most likely used admin to make himself stronger after making himself an admin which he lost when he was not in SAO but as his stats carried over so having admin past that was not needed
Kirito with GM Privileges - OP in ever sense of the word, but at least it made sense. Kirito gave Kayaba purpose and through that purpose, Kayaba gained heart. In the end, his cyberghost decided to help Kirito, finally making up his mind as he watched our hero struggle.
Kirito surviving for one last time before Kayaba - This is just a classic case of plot armor. They needed to showcase the "unwavering power of will" to Kayaba, since it was the cause of his change of heart. Plus, it did give much more meaning to Asuna and Kirito's relationship in the end, albeit in a semi-retarded way.
What do you mean Llenn didn’t work for that skill? It took 37 tries and emotional trauma to get that avatar!
(For all the idiots out there that was a joke)
btw, semi unrelated, but it shows that llenn works for her agility and prioritizes agility over everything in the flashback where she was grinding monsters for 3 months
Rerolls to the max!
People create multiple accounts in games till RNG favours them. Llenn did the same. I have seen it happen IRL. My friend in a gatcha has a blessed by rnjesus account. Took him a dozen reroll accounts. Now gets almost all the 5★ stuff he pulls on.
Sir that did not happen
I still prefer Llen. She seems cooler. Her avatar looks distinct and the fact that she can be seen by virtually everyone whilst still being unstoppable. Plus I play as characters that stand out from the average soldier. It is fun when you take out the tactical looking players whilst dressed in the most obvious and least tactical way possible.
In a more cookie cutter way: kirito is like a corean dude styling on people using a "B" class character, while llen is a newbie who got good using a "S" class character
Still I think Llenn would win
Or at least Pito would beat Kirito
he is the "VR God"
vrk15s llenn is just blitz but pink.
Lol
I think you're overlooking LLENN's training outside of SJ 1 and 2. You say she was unskilled, but there was an entire montage of her soloing squads in the desert; it's implied she has a lot of experience by the time the first SJ rolls around. And her partner in SJ2, while lacking game knowledge, also trained and practiced with her, and was already a skilled Dive Gamer, so it makes sense she could pick up on GGO's mechanics fairly quickly.
InsanelySarcastic ... The animators for Alternative is also pretty strong on “show, don’t tell”. Anybody actually paying a bit more attention could easily tell that various characters clearly inflict and take more/less damage based on their stats and build.
Yes, LLENN zips around like the Road Runner thanks to her high Agi stats and small hit box, but she takes far more damage compared to what other characters with higher Str and Vit stats can easily tank, while she also needs to get up close and hit vital spots to kill.
she is almost always down to less than 10% health after a single hit from as far as I can tell, basically anything.
Yeah, while she unloaded something like 15 bullets on a dude before killing him
Loli Oratoria This is because she just kept firing. In GGO, regardless of stats, 2-3 well placed shots will kill someone. It's pretty realistic on the technical side.
profwaldone That's with any character we see and is simply done to build fake tension.
Her beeing extremely fast is because most other characters use Strenght builds due to the weight of the weapons, since she just wanted to chase monsters at the start of the game, she put all her stats on speed. The P90 is said to be extremely light, and without the strenght innacurate.
I don't think you should say she doesn't have game knowledge, she spent a lot of time playing before the first SJ (which M made most of the strategy), training with pitou and ambushing players. Also she showed able to develop many strategies quickly and see the best course of action in engaging. Also, when she was fighting, most of the time she surprised her enemy, she doesn't just rush randomly.
Her character might be on the strong side due to size, but thats what makes her feel less op than kirito. Kirito uses the worst possible build and makes it work 'cause he is kirito Llenn uses a good character with an "off-meta" build and surprises a lot of people.
ruclips.net/video/iVkQbrJD8vk/видео.html
Well if you play any build or role based game you would know that the strongest picks against normal players are off meta builds in the hands of a "god" with this build. Kirito is undeniably a sword fighting "god", so he can make the build work thanks to his pro level reaction time. Llenns build is meta and shes a noob so theres no way it wouldnt get hard countered. Her builds like the doomfist of overwatch paired with a tracer hitbox. Insane mobility, instapickpotential, high hp and a really small hitbox. OPAF. There would be many players doing the same and even more having counter strategies. The reason kirito seems so strong is because noone knows how to deal with him since his build is so off meta its basically shit if youre not pro level. Llenns build is so meta its basically a must. And the speed isnt the problem the hitbox and hp are. If she had half the hp of a normal player and a normal hitbox it would be fine, but she doesent.
Thats what makes her really op.
Joel Peter yeah, her size ist undeniably strong, the Show makes that really clear. But you said loads of things the show denies.
First of all, her build is Off-meta and is basically the same build Kirito Had, insane agility with small strenght. This is off-meta because the Guns and ammo in ggo are really heavy, so they Invest in strenght just to wield the weapons. Both the P90 and the Lightsaber are really light, but unreliable. The P90 has too much Spray and the saber is melee.
Second, Llenn DOES have smaller HP, the novel is more clear about it. In the anime tho, you can see M tanking much more bullets, while Llenn received just two and was already below half HP.
Third, ffs She isn't a Noob. She spent loads of time Training with other top Tier Players, why does people keep saying She is a Noob. She isn't a "god" like Kirito, but She is REALLY good at the Game. She use clever strategies to Go with the High Spray of her weapons, She always makes the fight Go to close quartes, because that is where she shines the most.
And once again, Llenn has definetly a more Op character. But Kirito feels waaay to unreal, and thats why we say that Kirito is OP
adriano arouck Well in my defense I found the show so boring I stopped watching after the first tournament. And maybe I was unclear: theres no way that the build wouldnt be meta. You cant find an mmo where a player doesent minmax on release. The build would have been found early and by the time of the tournament there would be 20+ videos on youtube on how to do it. Since I didnt watch the show past episode 5 or so I have the right to call her a noob, since she behaved like one in the 1st tournament. Sure she can aim and all, but players who cant aim are babies not noobs. Second if you think that going in close with a spread weapon is a strategy, then you dont know what the word means. In the time I watched she would have died at least 5 times without M. She didnt know shit about strategy and positioning. Sure the HP part is possible I didnt count the shots, but she still somehow survived a sniper shot. Theres no denying shes op and she did way too well for someone who doesent have godlike reflexes like kirito And doesent know jack about positioning and strategy and has little gamesense. Besides everybody knows that if you arent at least a pro you cant 1v6 or 1v4 on normal servers. Wich she pulled off DESPITE being all of the above. Even kirito couldnt do that without support.
Joel Peter i mean, in GGO people do run agility builds, it was one of the top metas in the first gun gale arc, it's just that they are weak and easy to counter if you're prepared to face them. The AGI build thrives mainly in hit and run conditions, and ambushes where the player has the element of surprise, but ultimately it can get picked apart real quick by a good sniper.
We even see AGI builds in BoB, but even they aren't as insane as LLENN to only put points into movement speed... Because speed will only get you so far, and it's been shown many times that her build isn't as crazy op as it seems, but she gets crazy lucky, and uses those opportunities to her advantage to take the win, because protagonist.
Game-wise, yes, Llenn is so much more broken than Kirito. Plot-wise... There's a reason people call him Jesus-kun.
Daffyhat Kirito not only trained for 2 years with one of Japan's greatest kendo masters but he was also apart of the SAO beta and combining those skills he became powerful
To which I argue,
Fairy Dance arc.
Don't defend him, he's not worth it.
Daffyhat I didnt mind the fairy dance arc
Miraak Dova it's anime where just about every single main character is op
Miraak Dova Goku
P90 rush b
rex4522 if you rush B on the first day you definitely broken
Suicidal Muffin everyday is a Blitzkrieg
always rush B haha
rex4522 kirito is noob cuz no rush b and keep solo in game
Rush B Cyka
I think you misunderstood ggo.
Its not a battle royale, its a mmo with guns. Llens agility isnt a product of her build. It's a product of her amazing farming. Remember how at the beginning she used to hunt and trap monsters and players in an environment she had a strategic advantage. Her small size, and pink colour fitting the sand of the desert made her as visible as a gecko. And she isn't invincible, hit her a few times and she's down. She maxed agility, like kirito in the original sao. A bit of carelessness would cost her life since her armor stats are, well, she maxed agility right. In sao however, kirito maxed his agility but still got a crap ton of hp. What Kirito did is, he found the strenght in a stat and maxed it because of previous experience and got op because he's a farming god. What Llen did is, she found an advantage over her hitbox because of experience and got op because she's a farming god. Mind you, Kirito faced monsters solo in a battle while Llen set up traps to not die due to her lack of hp and armor because she's maxing agility. The interesting thing about the battle royale mode in ggo is that no ones stats are the same. Apparently in this game there's no limit. I agree on the hitbox part, it's very op. It doesnt make kirito less op though. Kirito got op just for the sakes of being op, llen used a well through thought strategy considering her disadvantages. And this is -knowledge of the game-. Understanding the game. You dont have to be a nerd like M, simple tricks can get you far. Kirito used his knowledge as he was a beta tester and she used her gathered experience while and by farming. Thats just about the original sao. In ggo kirito had no reason to be op. Sword mechanics and physics arent the same in every game. He probably maxed his agility again like Llen. How the should in game that is about guns a sword be superior? its like a knife can block bullets and it cant. In llens case she gave up her main weapon to shield her from bullets that are very likely fatal. In Kiritos case he can cut bullets with no price to pay? Thats even more ridiculous. To me the op sword plays are more op than the small hitbox. The smaller hitbox is the only thing that makes her op. She couldve fucked up greatly. I only watched 5 mins of the video, but so you know, in the original ggo skins couldnt be changed, only by purchasing accounts from others. Which makes llen all the more op. But, in the end, she wouldnt have gotten so op, this fast if it was in a balanced game. And honestly, they needed her to be stronger than anyone else for the story and I don't mind since they tried to make it make some sense. Other than in cough cough kiritos case cough cough.
Wasn't GGO based on Call Of Duty and Halo. This writer then added Fortnite(Battle Royale) into the mix in their writing?
Well kirito's stats transferred over from alfheins online and it's a sword made out of photon
Tony Hutaki Or PubG-
Someone did their research. Thumbs up.
Tony Hutaki I mean do Call of duty or halo has wide open maps where you can both pve against monsters and pvp? Does Call of Duty have dungeons? (Where Simon got her Hecate)
So Llen is basically like Oddjob in Goldeneye 64, huh?
With an RCP90.
Are you aware that GGO is still a level based game? Despite being a FPS, where your gun defines you, LLENN spent a whole lotta time PK-ing quite a lot before the first Squad Jam, and this was before she started teaming up with Pito for farming. I imagine her level has gone up quite a whole lot, with her putting points in mostly AGI, with some STR to cover the requirements for her guns.
no levels dude, just stat points
There are levels. They are what provide those stat points in the first place
SAO was also Level based with stat points, why do people hate on Kirito for leveling up a lot. The only genuine plot armor in the first Arc was Yui being saved and Kirito cheating death at The End.
Don't you guys notice? Sigsawa is keeping SAO Tradition and I have the clues:
MC's both have:
- a plain irl apperance
- been kissed by main girl of their respective series
- a harem. (If your yuri goggles are strong enough)
loli harem
Oof xD
As much as I absolutely fangirl over yuri, I would not say that she completely had a harem. At least not compared to the Gary Stue's harem.
*I know this isn't related but remember that Kirito is a garbage character with damn near no completely notable personalities and still gains a girlfriend.*
I'll never forget the game that allows you to actually cheat on Asuna.
Have you noticed something about LLENN? Her AGI build actually sucks for most of the fights. She only wins fights decisively if she ambushes her enemies and kills them all in less than one minute.
If she has to actually fight someone who's prepared for her, it's a _waaaay_ tougher fight and she often has to be bailed out by her partner. We saw this when she had to fight Boss at the end of Squad Jam 1 and then Pito at the end of the show. And she couldn't have won against MMTM in SJ1, M had to do the heavy lifting and snipe them all himself.
tl;dr LLENN is not OP at all, she's actually underpowered. What makes her seem OP is her crazy luck (c'mon, what were the chances of her finding a player in the dome who JUST HAPPENED to use the SAME AMMO AND SAME MAGAZINES as her gun? lmao)
ammo and mags are relatively standardised, while sets from different guns are less reliable, they will do the trick in a pinch.
That didn't stop every bullet from missing her
And its basicaly how the AGI players in BoB (Pale Rider and that guy with suglasses) was defeated.
Someone snipe shooting it while they are doing all the hit&run bullshit in other player.
@profwaldone "ammo and mags are relatively standardised, while sets from different guns are less reliable, they will do the trick in a pinch."
Spoken by someone who doesn't know anything about guns. Ammo may be standardized, magazines are *not.* The gun industry squeezes as much profit as possible out of the customer by having each gun use its own proprietary magazine. It's why the Mini-14 is so hated today. People have been hollering at Sturm Ruger & Co. to make it take AR-15 magazines for 20 years, they ain't budging on that. Hell, manufacturers don't even have mag compatibility with their own guns. The Smith & Wesson M&P9 (which was also Fukaziroh's pistol in the dome battle) and SD9VE are chambered in the same cartridge and are made by the same manufacturer. The magazines aren't interchangeable. Same story with the Beretta 92/96 and Beretta Px4 Storm.
In fact, really, the only magazines that have commonality among lots of firearms are Glock pistol mags and AR-15 mags.
LLENN uses a Fabrique Nationale P90 chambered in the 5.7x28mm cartridge, this is a very rare cartridge that is used (to the best of my knowledge) in only about half a dozen guns on Earth. On top of that, the magazine that the P90 uses is a one-of-a-kind horizontal loader in order to fit 50 rounds.
It was absolutely insane luck that Clarence happened to:
1. Be the last survivor of the 18 players LLENN & Fuka killed in the dome
2. Use an AR-57 rifle, which is
2a. insanely rare itself, and
2b. chambered in 5.7x28mm and
2c. uses the *exact same magazines as the P90.*
That's just BS luck no matter how you slice it.
AICW The nickname "Lucky Girl" suits her better than ever now.
The movement speed is an upgradable stat, not due to character size or anything, and as stated in the original Gun Gale arc in SAO2 (Why do I remember this? Dont ask me, I dont even like SAO) it is stated that most players do have a run and gun build, but they usually put a few stats into their strength, so they can use heavier weapons. LLENN focused entirely on it and is using a very light and weak weapon, she should be extremely susceptible to snipers, but the show kinda glosses over that with some convenient plot armour to raise stakes (thats not really a jab at SAO:A GGO, i did enjoy the spin off, it just kinda is plot armour)
Your not wrong. Plot armor is a common theme in intertainment. Either way I enjoyed it, which was the goal. Ill give it a shoulder shrug and chop it up to being a cartoon, a couple levels higher than a standard one at that.
Kirito was broken plot wise
Llen was broken by design
Its not that one is more broken than the other its just the first one was broken for no reason at all besides the plot demanded it
Llen was broken by plot. Her design is based entirely on the MC wanting to be chibi, plus she gets away with ridiculous feats while everyone else in the game plays worse than the average IA bot.
Ace well atleast there's a feasible reason WHY she's broken
Kirito didn't
At the very least Llen actually has a good story. Kirito was just full of bullshit.
She gets by thanks to the op character and luck
But luck can't explain kirito so he's the one really broken, I mean can luck explain how he, after taking just some classes on programming could literally hack the system to bring Yui back as an Item?
.....aren't plot and design basically the same thing tho?
To make a COD comparison:
Kirito = Knife only nuke
Llenn = Danger close + One man army + noob tube nuke
Kirito is that pro gamer who screws around using the "bad" gear and those niche items while Llen is a nub using the most op stuff.
I don't think llenn had any op items just an op body type.
Joshua Dejesus they mention her p90 was an extremely rare powerful and expensive gun in ggo
Patrick Wood while Pchan is a rare weapon thats still llenns strongest item and pito has access to a large variety of guns. In the light novel she even has one of the super rare sniper guns which there are only like 5 in the whole game the sniper sinon has another one of these snipers. The only other thing that would makes pchan feel op to me is that llenn can use it as a shield but then she loses it.
XBOX R LOSERS well other pro games either dead hide in city.. Who know. When you real life put in real. You want or not... Expert or pro life is survival instinct .
XBOX R LOSERS yeah my English broken one still that don't mean I cant win again you .word one way of communicating.... And look like I lack that and you don't. That doesn't matter. The meaning behind word reason I try to reach you. You reply to me mean I successfully archive one of objective if this game made. Same as kirito situation .
The first scene in SAO 2 is an interview with the top-ranked player in GGO... for the Bullet of Bullets tournament. He talks about how AGI builds aren't competitive anymore, and how STR and high-caliber weapons were going to be the game's leading meta moving forward. However, that was in the context of a solo tournament, BoB. The rules change when you're working in squads, and mobility and positioning become vital components of a winning strategy. Llenn honed her skills PKing in the desert almost exclusively soloing against teams of other players, to the point that even as a noob it took Pito and her ridiculous talent to match her. Her build and experience are basically tailor-made for a team tourney where ambushes and rapid group clearing are the name of the game.
That said, notably she loses in the end to the only team that adopts a real-world survival strategy. In the end, GGO IS far better written than SAO ever was, and I think Llenn is more or less justified in being as good as she is. She abuses indestructible cover to high heaven and gets lucky a few times too many, but her backstory accounts for her crazy PK skills.
No way, the bullet speed of Sniper Rifle owned by Shino is much more faster than Lienn's Gun, Kirito is even able to predict the prediction line of the rifle (i mean even without the prediction line he is able to predict). the only advantage of Lleen is her speed. but even Eiji who has this incredible unhuman speed and skill in Ordinal Scale was still beaten by kirito. There is no way Llenn can win over him. even though Llenn is top number one in the game(shes not), Kirito is the person who beated the Administritor of SAO, he is the person beyond the system. There is no way Llenn could win.
Louis Xu Kirito does not know how to deal with lineless Shooting.
Louis Xu While I don't really care who win, I do want to rebunk some of your point
In the movie Eiji likely would win if Kirio didn't destroy his gear thing.(that cheating equipment that allows him to go beyond normal human limit), as Kirito is really struggling against Eiji (maybe not if he have the vr support thing) And Eiji is fighting him in close combat. Llenn has both speed and range. If Llenn is smart, she likely wouldn't go near Kirito and keep her distances. Yes, Kirito has his handgun, but Llenn likely would dodge it. The only way I see Kirito would win is that Llenn run out of his bullets before Kirito run out of stamina to swing his sword (we know stamina is a thing in GGO bc Llenn do show stamina loss when she is running) and have to use her knife. I don't think Kirito have any long, stamina consuming combat in GGO since he mostly finish his fight under a short time.
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Louis Xu
What you proven is only kirito's reaction speed.
If you can prove that Kirito can get close to Llenn or that his stamina can last long enough against Llenn, I will agree that Kirito will win. For now, the outcome of a fight aginst each other is still unknown.
Jianwei Gao But Llenn's playstyle is getting close to the enemy to get kills, this becomes more frequent as the show goes on until it becomes literally a melee fight at the end. If she kept her distance, she wouldn't be able to win because of her lack of accuracy at medium ranges. She would have to use her grenades at least. Plus since you mentioned the stamina bar, Llenn could also run out of stamina so that's a possibility.
Although I am skeptical about Kirito's chances of winning considering that he was able to cut bullet after bullet in GGO only because he need to do so to win in a life and death situation. Oh and about the stamina thing, I'm not sure if that counted for sword swing as well now that you mention it, running consuming stamina does make sense in an FPS game after all, not sure about GGO considering swords are not even used that often. Plus, Kirito's character in GGO is strength agility types, while he's definitely not beating Llenn in terms of speed, he can last a battle if agility = stamina.
She's only faster cause she build her character around speed. If she wanted to build for tank then she wouldn't be as fast regardless of character design.
Luruk Yeah if I remember correctly there were stats in GGO. So I think she pumped a lot into agility. Which is funny as I think in the other GGO series it was a bad idea to invest in agility.
and that does not make sense, how is a smaller short legged char able to move faster than a bigger slimmer and long-legged one?
the answer: loli waifu b8
Reaver Aeon yeah but that was just bullshit reki wrote cause he doenst know how games actually work
It's one of the plot holes in alternative
I wonder what were the other player's build, since they seemed to suck on everything they did, almost like their characters were average humans vs a broken speed demon.
Kirito can slice up a .50BMG ammo round from point blank. Without the help of the system.
Kirito can also proficiently use a sniper rifle which he used to save Sinon when she got paralyzed. (he managed to hit Death Gun from afar)
And most of all.. He defended against full-auto spray against a Light Machine Gun (that one long scene of blocking bullets) and against dual SMGs (not shown but was mentioned in the novels)
If it would be a Kirito vs LLENN matchup. Kirito would win hands down.
Imo Kirito, while also having superior reaction time, has also superior Agility than LLENN. Well.. You cant react if youre not fast enough.
And to the point of managing a point-blank battle against a dual smg user (which would have a better firing rate than a single P90), Winning against Asuna (basically a speed demon rapier user dubbed the "Flash"), and managed to even notice the god-speed cheat that heathcliff did.
I could safely say that Jesus-kun is still Jesus-kun.
Also, LLENN was already a veteran PKer way before she met Pitohui, in the novels, she decided to quit PK and went back to Monster Farming when she met Pito, she quit PK because whole guilds were head-hunting her. She was that good.
She wasnt a noob when SJ1 started. She was a pro at ambush PK. The only thing she learned new during SJ1 was when M trained her with CQC
Your point is that kirito is much SKILLFULLY or POWERFULL?
To me both he slice a sniper bullet
Dodge death guns sniper WITH A SILENCER (probably misspell the word there) AND THAT'S MOSTLY IMPOSSIBLE, and he got a really good at hearing!!!!!!!
He didn't hear the gunshot...He just had the feeling of a bullet coming to him..
@@lemnoo
IIRC wasn't Kirito sensing death gun's blood lust or something?
@@lexort4204
Yea he did actually. My claim is wrong
@@lemnoo
It's all good friend, been a bit since I last watched SAO myself.
GGO actually does have a stat system and the reason no one uses agi builds is because they arent actually good for most things. LLENN sacrifices a ton of offensive stats for her build which in PVE can be balanced out better but in PVP player agency plays a wild card. So while an AGI build is mostly trash in PVP it works for her since she knows how to work around her hitbox.
6:56; In the second tournament her partner dose have massive game knowledge. She is the one who introduce Llenn to Full Dive Games.
LLEN also can't really carry that much either since she's so small. So maybe a bigger character would have it's advantages so you don't run out of ammo the way that LLEN did.
that doesn't balance the gameplay though.
Inventory
Llenn: I only have a few magazines left, gotta use it sparingly
Also Llenn: Holds down trigger for entire episode
I think they never heard about Recoil.
*facing potatoes or people without thumbs*
That's me right there!
It doesn't really matter cause ggo knows it's stupid and doesn't take itself seriously it also gives us some fun characters that are not sexualised to the point of being raped by tentacles or being part of a harem.The ridiculousness of the action scenes makes it even more fun especially thinking no one dies it's just a show that wants to be fun and nothing more overanalyzing has no point.Also it doesn't matter is llenn is op because she is a far more likeable than kirito and in the end that's what matters
Exactly
I know one thing is for sure llenn is a way better character then kirito will ever be
As a character? I agree. As for her character model, I suppose it was a bit OP in speed (Assuming it wasnt speced for speed) and size letting her hide easier.
Hm, having S class character models also could expain why people was willing to buy characters? Even Kirito had a special model people wanted. It may have been that the sleeker characters always naturally has a speed boost.
chris nope no way a joke of a character would be better then kirito.
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Kirito is definitely not a good character, but LLENN is just a screw up in everywhere that counts. Her motivation is none and her development as a character doesn't exist. She started and ended the same character.
I just wanna point out that GGO is a virtual reality game with actual people doing actual movement and there is no programming on what attacks you can do, that said, Len is a human and she could jump over a car and shoot into the hall that the car has after raising her stats since it’s a game therefore it doesn’t really break any rules because it has organic gameplay
I think he said the game was broken since there is an OP build like hers. Basicaly she has abilities and advantages that other people can't much. To put it in blunt terms an RPG where there is a class that is unbeatable everyone would choose and the others would be obsolete.
@@Raximus3000 Ragnarok with asura build monk. The only other build that can beat them is a build with a godly item and a character built to exploit said godly item. This is a real life game with large player base even with severe balance problem.
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Is Rgnarok online heavily based on PvP?? This is closer to a fighting game where one character does more damage than the rest with its normal attacks. Plus like you just pointed out there are ways to beat them!! In her case if she had Kirito's skill she'd be unstopable!!!
@@Raximus3000 GGO is not heavily based on PvP. It is primarily an MMO just like Ragnarok. The player based on Ragnarok on the other hand primarily choose their build for PvP. You only get variety on builds due to Guild War system that need multiple character builds to work together to assualt or depend castles. The godly items are limited in numbers so a rare few could even have them just like Llenn's chibi avatar only instead of hiding them in rng they are hidden in limited quest and will be unavailable after a fix amount of players have completed the quest.
@@kazedcat
HOW IS HER BUILD A RARE ITEM???
What prevents everyone from having that build?
I don't know. If I remember correctly Kirito had an unfair advantage from all of his stats being transferred from the previous game so he had ridiculous speed which is what enabled him to dodge and deflect bullet lines like that. He was probably way speedier than Llenn is.
Llenn is Basically A Powerful Glass Canon.. one or two well-placed hits and she is Done. But You have to Decent or Skilled Player to Deal with her.
She has More experience in Gungale, High Luck, And Speed., and She is Short... her weakness is her low defense.. but good luck trying to land a Blow on her.
She is still more balanced than Kirito
first off~ dude~
the immortal object bodys where implemented in Squad Jam and are only available in aquad jam each body that drops remains an immortal object for 10 minutes until they get respawned at the nearest local thats a big issue i have with your explanation about LLENN Using bodys to cover behind even if she where to hide behind Fuka or someone similar in size it would be difficult for her as well but still doable also everyone could've done that ... using dropped allies as shields but LLENN Given the Heroine Plot armor was the only one smart enough to do that.
The character rng affects all Seed games, its not solely a GGO problem. The insane speed was a class system explained in SAO2: agility runs fast>strength carries more guns and recoil control. Dead body feature exists in PUBG, and people use when they prone next to a dead body to be small enough to be covered by it-- its just a niche tactic. I don't think you need significant game knowledge to be decent in GGO, because it's all basically realism. A general theme in GGO is survival, and that shows especially well in a Battle Royale setting. I mean, come on, you're talking about RNG in a Battle Royale (real life?), which is always prevalent. Llenn just showed that she had a higher learning capability and higher resolve to survive. Keep in mind that a lot of the features in Squad Jam is is a first to everyone-- map scan and corpse immortality (there's not going to be a complete competitive setting when they have no where to practice). The Squad Jam basically comes down to which team could adapt faster, rather than a professional match where players could map out their every moves before the game starts.
Player Not Found So you're telling me a noob with absolutely no gane knowlege created the most op build in existence by accident? Seems a bit far fetched if you ask me besides a machine gun would send her flying if that was the case, the most she could use would be a light pistol. And then that bs about realism and adaptability. How is it realistic that this midget can run at mach 9 with those small legs? Doesent really make sense. Also the prevalence of strategy is clear in the first tournament, if M didnt tell her what to do she would have gotten fucked. You cant 1v6 unless you are a pro level player flexing, wich she isnt.
Joel Peter yup, that’s what I’m saying. Alistar w-q was invented when a player noticed it in a bot match in LoL; double pump meta started when a player noticed the shotguns could be timed in Fortnite; in PUBG people didn’t know you could get rid of fire by jumping into water, until they tried testing the game’s logic. So many metas are started by some form of accident, and the fact that GGO is an MMORPG-style game makes it even more interesting because there are so many unexplored mechanics and possible metas to unfold when players start trying to incorporate those mechanics to a Battle Royale, AKA the stats system.
Edit: The fact that GGO was made with the intention to be an MMORPG-like game (like Destiny), then all of a sudden you try turn it into a Battle Royale by making these one-time a month/week? tournaments- it shouldn’t be surprising to see accidental op strategies and builds.
Player Not Found I agree but It never was a total newbie who found out about it. Most of the time its a veteran who tried out the game mechanics after knowing them and seeing a possible exploit.
Joel Peter Um, the anime explained she played the game 3-4 months... and didn’t she qualify for the tournament in the first place? Llenn couldn’t differentiate bullet types or know when to engage, because GGO is primarily a pve game, she couldn’t care less. She was a complete noob to br, but so was almost everyone else in the Squad Jam, even the so called ‘pros’...- they didn’t even pay attention to the stat system, and what about the machine gun lovers? The hovercraft squad didn’t even know how to deal with a Blitz-like (from R6) confrontation when they were fighting M. Heck, M was really the only ‘skilled’ player and that’s only because he has real life experience with guns and has a natural born talent with maps. In the second Squad Jam, Llenn did much better- knowing when to engage, disengage, and cqc. But so did everyone else, who had only learned from Llenn in the first squad jam to use the corpse immortality, traps, and camping strat. Point is, Llenn already had experience with aim and controlling the bullet circle (which I imagine would be a skill even more important than recoil control)- she was on equal footing as everyone else in the game, which is, they were all new to Battle Royale and to a degree pure pvp. Llenn from Squad Jam 1 to Squad Jam 2 are obviously completely different, because she’s now extremely used to playing pvp, as so with everyone else.
I literally just finished this anime 5 minutes ago thinking "that was great but isn't it kinda unfair that len has such a small hitbox compared to the regular big burly men in this show" and then this video popped up in my subscription.that timing could not have been better
For what its worth in the light novel its explained that the build llenn has while having high speed and agility has relatively low vitality meaning she takes more damage when hit I think this was shown in her fight against eva when a kick did significant damage. Seems her short height would make her op compared to other characters though.
Kirito is still way more OP. Kirito was doing insane crap against game bosses. Not PVP players. Lenn is still a bit OP in speed, but I don't thinks he is game breaking OP like Kirito was.
But players are more dangerous than AI, because they can think and strategize potentially better.
If llenn trained more she can kill kirito
@@chibiwolf2954 ha no
@@chibiwolf2954 nice joke
We had a montage of Llenn farming players.
Fuka told Llenn about her practicing with her grenades.
Pro players CAN get owned by noobs, but most pros will never admit it.
Kirito literally lost all his health, still won, had apparent sword training before being a gamer, and was only OP in GGO cuz the other players were too dumb to ever try deflecting bullets with the photon sword.
Pitohui taking on so many people isn't an in game mechanic and she isn't a normal gamer. She is freaking bloodthirsty and ambitious.
And I just thought a dead body being an "immortal object" was out of respect of the fallen player, but I don't really know. Them shooting the body was kinda funny though.
LLEN, have to use smoke bombs, traps, running around, ambush, cover to cover to win.
Kirito, stand out in the open...win.
A lot of games have hitboxes the same size as the character, and I honestly think its a great mechanic.
it was also explained in the show why nobody does full agility builds in the game anymore.
Yamikaze was just as fast if not faster than llenn it is agi the stat that determines speed not character model but yeah the hitbox thing is unbalanced but ar games like ggo focus more on realism than balance ie you dont pick how you look when are born so you look more unique sea of thieves went for that but they balanced it with hitboxes were the same regardless also the smaller character models in ggo seem to have far less hp since llenn seems to go into red in less bullets than was shown for many other characters
Kirito didn't even fight Yamikaze, Sinon's the one who dealt with him while Kirito's doing his voodoo OP hacksor skillz. Correct me if I'm mistaken.
not the point I am only trying to emphasize Llenn's speed was not unique also you can run calculation on speed shown on kirito as well was comparable the game is not the most balanced game out there but neither is real life im below average in height myself but not by any choice so am I OP too?
Remember that yamikaze in ep12 wasnt moving as fast as llenn, he was moving as fast as everyone else sprinting, they only teased his speed earlier and when it came to showing he died because like an idiot he stood in the spot and despite being able to dodge shots at point blank during teasing he didnt react to amr being fired in any way, sure...plot convience at its finest.
Da Voodoo you do remember that a Sniper's first shot is hidden in the game.
Yamikaze stopped moving since he saw the op bullshit kirito did dodging that very same concealed first sniper shot (or rather the bullet flew by him) allowing Sinon to make the shot.
Da Voodoo also the comparison of Yamikaze and LLENN in speed is not factorable as SAO and the Alt was made by different studios.
The A1 style portraying speed is different to the studio that did the Alt. For comparison, watch Kiritard vs that cowboy gunman game or the bullshit blocking against a full auto.
Compare that to just blurring shit up like how LLENN does her dashes.
GGO was stupid, but very enjoyable, and as I see the creators never attempted to make a deep game with realistic scenarios. They knew what it was, we knew what it was, and it was a great thing to watch.
Ready. Real answer down below.
No, Llen is not more OP than Kirito. You're telling me she'd survive being in the same situations Kirito's been in. Lol, please. Easy peasy, thats the real answer.
You gotta remember, Kirito is well known for having a lot of plot armor. Also known to be a garbage character as a whole. I won't say that he wouldn't be able to beat Llenn. He is well known for building up his plot armor so much.
Now, if he didn't have plot armor, it would really be questionable. Heck, I wonder how long he would even survive Sao.
@100gg It is a big deal when plot armor is used 90% of the time.
@100gg That isn't plot armor because it's literally his ability. I don't think you know how plot armor works. So let me explain it to you.
First off, I just want you to know that I don't like Subaru at all. I don't even like Re:zero. But the comparison you made was a little dumb.
A perfect example of plot armor would be stuff like the "willpower" stuff. Which was later on explained in a lot of other episodes later in the series. Which was pretty stupid if you ask me. Other examples would be like the time where the villain has a lot of perfect chances to murder the hero or win against the hero. But never takes the chance because the plot demands it. This can be shown as plot armor. Because there is no reason for the villain not to kill the hero. Plot armor saved the hero in the situation. (Other stuff could be like "getting lucky' way too many times, and etc.)
Subaru on the other hand was explained. His revive from the death thing was shown. And it's not like somebody could really stop it either. It's like saying that somebody gained power for the first time, used it and just automatically it's considered "power armor" by your definition.
@100gg Yeah, it also goes by the same thing as just plot controlling. Where the plot demands certain characters from even dying. These two can be mixed with each other like it always has. And once again, what I said still applies as an ability.
Also, using Goku was a horrible example. Because DBZ is horrible at writing as well. Look, I know you absolutely love self-insert characters. Which is why you're trying your best to defend Kirito. But it still applies. The problem with characters like him is the fact that the plot armor is shown far too many times. Damn near everything Kirito says and does is right. And most likely, if you disagree with him at all, you're either a villain, a character who may die later, or an absolute goofball.
And even if what I said about Subaru was wrong, this doesn't excuse Kirito at all. Especially seeing from how it was used. Unlike Kirito, Subaru's stuff isn't bs. (Which is what plot armor is usually used for. BS situations that should have never happened.) Because once again, the ability still applies and shows.
@100gg I have even given you an example on why Kirito is bad. That isn't the only reason to why Kirito is such a horrible character. I don't even find him likable by the slightest. At best I find him to be the type of character I would hate for eternity.
I really want to see these two play with/against each other and then be friends after that (yknow, in a way, they both own harems of their own)
6:35 Yeah that scene still amazes me to this day. Why the hell would anyone crouch in a circle out in the open just to be picked off. Those players had to be either completely incompetent or grade schoolers.
LLENN is more OP than Kirito ? Haha...nice try but no.
Kirito beat The Salamander commander - who has played ALO longer than most people and have the 2nd best sword in game - with a beginner sword and little to no experience with mid air fighting.
Kirito beat SAO ADMIN with his health depleted to 0. He didn't even die because the rage of losing his waifu kept him going in a world dictated by codes and numbers,
Kirito somehow use illusion to breath fire and take out an entire squad of high level well equip players with A BEGINNER SWORD.
Kirito literally beat Orbeon because The ghost of Deus Ex Machina give him Admin tools.
Good video but there is no way LLENN can out OP Kirito.
She may not be OP but can beat him
Llenn is basically mini doom guy in pink fighting cod scrubs. Now you just made me like her more.
kirito was broken from day 1 for no reason
Llen was not, you can see how she learns the game more over time, and learn how to use her broken character model to her advantage
good thing about ggo is they supply reasons for everything (idk if there's plotholes or something where they don't supply reasons but you get the point) Llen's teammate in sj2 was basically useless half of the time because she was new to the agme, but she helped because she spent the time to learn how her gun shoots and how it functions, like if you snipe you have to know how fast the bullet moves and how far it falls with time
RedFalcon 203 Llenn is similar to Asuna, tbh.
Well Kirito is beta tester of sao, he can grind more efficient. Of course there will be some change but not much.
couple of points to point out here, is if you do remember for the plot (yes there was a plot XD) she was searching through hundreds (dunno the number xdd) of games to only get a chibi character, i think she did deserve that, and as long as its random rng, i would be totally fine with that. As for the agility, Palen Rider was very similar, he had overwhelming mobility, he was just simply taller than LLENN, but stil.. its still possible to get those stats, juding by this, its just not seems for popular for some reason? Maybe becouse of the first ep of GGO in SAO 2? they were disgussing the possible falldown of agility based characters no? dunno. As for Fuka (her duo sister in the second SJ) you say shes not experienced? Whys that? Shes a pro gamer for gods sake xD.. or just a computer nerd gamer, but still. And even tho we couldnt see in the anime, she said she did practice shooting from distance for the sake of the team. Kirito more experienced? Not rly, he had like no experience at all in GGO, hes more experienced in Fantasy, true that, but not in Gun games o.o.. Fuka would be the same lvl in this game, and they even played the same game a bit thats for sure since Fuka did mention she played against a player from ALO named Sekken etc etc. Dunno man, its just random RNG i would be totally fine with that in game.
tbh Kirito is better, with the swords. Sword characters-fighters are the always the best
Nick Victory Fire i agree that sword characters are awesome but kirito still sucks as a character
WRONG
YES SWORDS ARE AMAZING SO WHY DOESNT ANYONE USE THEM?????
Daniel Damn cause they're gonna have holes in their bodies if up against a gun user....
senpai sama I’m gonna assume that’s a joke since literally kirito used a sword the entire fucking time and barely used his reaction time to block shots. IT IS LITERALLY AN OP WEAPON BECAUSE THE GAME SHOWS YOU WHERE THE SHOT IS.
In the anime is said that some weapons need more str status to be used, like big machineguns or sniper rifle. Since LLENN use only a sub-machine gun (P90) she don't need the Str status so high and can put everything on aglity to escape
3:12
"battle of bullets"
BOI it's *Bullet of Bullets*
Or BoB for short
She's less annoying, that's for sure
aaaaaa im getting oddjob flashbacks
Se nota que este tipo es un fan de Kirito.
this video proves that the writer of GGO is better than SAO because he/she's able to write a OP character without looking too OP at first or second glance, hell, even before watching this video, i never thought that LENN was that OP, or i'm just too dumb
Anyone who has ever played a ranked shooter match would have immediately understood how stupidly broken and unbalanced this game is.
Ace
Exactly! Even if it’s a vr game it’s still broken as hell, and the ggo spin off writer had to add in many stuff to the world of ggo to make it more appealing, considering how much a mess ggo started with the original writer that worked on the original material. The spin off writer is a gun to gun nerd when he tried to incorporate the guns’ mechanics, but to see it as a gaming stand point I don’t think so, however some of the stuff he showcased in the anime and light novel were nice but stray from the fact that everything in the game was broken. I appreciate and applaud the spin off writer for doing his research for the spin off, it’s not perfect and fleshed out but it’s still way better than what we got in sao 2. Llenn is a better character than Jesus-kun(kirito)and fuck rgm!
Well, the grind exists in GGO as well, so people could put stat points to enhance their abilities to superhuman extents... and the more people grind, the more combat experience they get, the more they can enhance their stats, the better gears they get...
I knew if you watched literally one fight you knew
Ace You can't rightfully call her OP if her Op_ness is caused by bad game design.
The main broken feature (imo) is randomized characters.
How is that fair for anybody who wants to focus on one certain play-style? You're forced into playing a certain way just based on the character given to you, or play any style but never unlock its full potential.
So, this pretty much proves my point about some people being bias against Kirito. When you understand the context behind everything that he does, it makes sense why he's one of the more powerful players we see in the games he plays. Whereas Llenn really is just broken because of her luck, yet so many people love her more by comparison. And yes, she has more of a personality than him so that would explain why in that specific comparison why people like her more, (that, and shes a cute pink loli with a P90) but I've seen characters with even less personality (and happen to be more broken), than Kirito, yet people don't hate them as much. Anyway, thats that rant over. Now on to my main point.
And as much as I did like this anime, especially with how it went into more detail about how the game works compared to the Phantom Bullet Arc, that Arc at least made GGO seem more like a balanced game. I know this is because this story in the same game Reki wrote, but I still don't get why the Avatar you get is down to RNG, despite some players having Avatars sorta looking like their real-world counterparts, as evident Kirito and Sinon in GGO, and how they are not customisable, which again, is shown to not be the case with all games as Kirito changes the appearance of his Avatar in ALO (Unless that was due to him resetting his account).
I also wish they went into how stats work in this games. What effects a certain stat to increase. What are the limitations or drawback of focusing on one specific state, ect. Because as far as we are aware, Llenn speed stat being so high seems to be based on the fact that her Avatar is so small. So basically, if character customization isn't a thing, you fucked from the second you start GGO if you end up with a shit Avatar, unless stats really do effect what you can and can't do in game.
LLENN's speed stat has nothing to do with her avatar's size. Fuka is the same size as her but all her stats are in strength and HP, she has almost no agility.
AICW Oh yeah, your right. So in that sense, Llenn just put all of her stats in speed then I guess.
Please explain how some minor classes in programing allowed kirito to hack the system, or how he went to 0HP but still didnt dissappear AND still beat the admin.
It's because she's a cute girl people in Japan know if you just make a cute girl people will just eat that shit up you can make a Mary sue and a stupid plot piont and they'll still like it
Nobody really has a "bias against Kirito." Most everybody agrees that people would like him better if he had something more to his character. There's a reason why SAO Abridged is considered an improvement over the original Anime and largely due to how they handle Kirito's overall characterization.
@One Punch Fish - Really, you're calling Llenn a Mary Sue? Really?
They can put their stats into speed and agility but everyone else went for accuracy and some other random stats(I don't remember exactly what) because of the professional player who died in SAO 2 telling them it was best(yes he did say otherwise in the first episode but the people groaning implies that they can't redo stats so they are stuck with the old meta) so no one would have max run speed because because of being told other stuff was more important
Totally agree with your analysis, LLENN is totally broken makes me thin of the Mei skin in Combat arms but totally way more overpowered. GGO is described as a hardcore shooter but it is not even close. It very arcady like COD and i would say more so. Only reason I would play GGO honestly is if it was the only shooter around and i really REALLY needed my FPS fix. But that wouldn't happen since hardcore shooters currently exist and will continue to improve in the future. Heck just check out what Escape From Tarkov is doing right now and it puts GGO to shame.
I gotta disagree with something you said at the end. Dual rocket launchers is totally viable if you've got the skills and a strong desire to troll.
I guess one man army noob tubes was the easiest way to get a nuke XD
Tbh I dont know why people like sao I started it thinking it was going to be a video game based anime but it turned out to be a lovey dovey anime
It IS video game specifically an MMO based anime though in the other ones, there is a huge emphasis on the romance between Kirito and Asuna. I can understand why people like it though once you look at it without blinders, you will see how bad and for me and a lot of people, that's how we came to stop loving it.
7:04 it depends on the mechanics. In something like COD this happens ALOT, in something like CS;GO I don't see this happening often.
Don’t disrespect Llenn
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I agree
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I am tired so I will just say that this video just is some biased guy ignoring half of the anime and warping facts to fit a pre-determined narrative for some flashy click bait.
Llenn did work for her power for one.
You also ignore the brutality of the game that screams realistic hit boxes. You are more than a kill joy when you expect a game of this lvl to stoop down to your lvl.
Llenn studied the game and learned everything you said she did not. And to start in GGO you have a girl spewing 900 RPM and has both home advantage and heavily researched on the game and you ignore that and say some coward with a sword will beat her. Get over yourself. Unlike Kirito in GGO Llenn's power comes from the time she put into actually lvl and learn. You see her display the things she learned from M in SJ2. That and it was EMPHISIZED that when there was something she did not know she would spend hours looking it up to learn.
Her power is her own. I am not saying it is not broke but you ignored everything relevant and warped the truth. Btw if hypothetically GGO was real and Llenn existed then you can be sure to see Llenn unlike Kirito as already shown in the animes actually be killable... Kirito can not be killed. When he goes all out he is the definition of being so fucking OP and broken that OP and broken are not good enough words to describe him. Llenn is far closer to reality than Kirito EVER has been or will be. Llenn is also better developed as a character as well.
I said I was tired and would not say much but seems I went off anyways. Let me put this out there as well.. I could go into EXTREME detail and explain why you are wrong as well as why using IRL present day games as a template for balance is wrong but you were stupid enough to do this shit so I doubt you would understand anyway. That and I really am tired.. Also to those who just want to say I am hating on SAO or favor one char over the other in a biased way then I say to you that actually SAO was my first so many years back and that I still like it despite personally knowing how shit it really is generally. The concept is perfect.. The actual product is shit. I still like it.. Also SAO-A-GGO WAS ACTUALLY LITTERALLY A BIG MIDDLE FINGER TO THE ORIGINAL PROVING THIS POINT...
Also forgot to point out that despite the time in the anime being close to now that the tech is still decades in the future so game balance from some of these out dated unbalanced games are not good for templates. I can not believe you actually used a shit show like D2 as proof of XP fr... Bungie would love you and every person with a brain would laugh and cringe at the birth of a new comedian using their own retardation as the content....
I give LLEN a pass because she isn't Kirito.
Well that and she has an actual personality.
RayOfTruth
Well...that's essentially what I mean XD
*because she's a cute girl
RayOfTruth kirito had a personality he could be funny, awkward, feel sadness regret worried but right we'll ignore that because of he's op but I wonder why that's not the case when it comes to HER I wonder
One Punch Fish
Kirito has a personality alright....the most bland, generic, and boring personality in anime history for a main character, not even mentioning the completely out of no where bullshit moments where disbelief cannot be suspended like him all of a sudden being able to hack into the SAO mainframe....or picking up anything for the first time and being extremely good at it....
There is no comparison, Llen is literally a better character in every single way possible, hell even her OPness is easily explained by just the unbalanced nature of the game and the character she got. Not "just because plot" like kirito.
You do realize the writer of GGO Alternative is superior to the writer of SAO right? SAO is actually being rewritten to fix the countless plot holes the WRITER himself has admitted too, its a fucking mess of a show. Kirito's story and character in particular being one of the biggest issues. I know what i'm talking about as I've read both SAO(up to Sword Art Online 15: Alicization Invading) and GGO (up to volume 6). So yea buddy, not because "shes a cute girl" lol. Hell, that's not even a reason for me.
The only reason llen is good is because of she uses items to her advantage but anybody can do that so llen isn’t even all that good
She's still more likable tho. And a cute loli with a machine gun. You can't top that.
Empyrean Penguin kirito can
He'll LITERALLY stab the bitch mutiple times also he is way faster then her lets see if that size works for her now.
Exactly as long as it's a cute girl fuck the rules of the world make her as op you can no wonder why it's so easy to make female MC likable just make them cute and you win
Yep. A byproduct of Japan's obsession with making anything it can get its hands on "cute", with its roots in its postwar economic rebuilding strategy, as detailed in a lot of historical studies. It works on me, but at this point I've turned apathetic at a lot of the shit Japan throws at me so I just shrug at alot this stuff.
If anyone is bored enough, here's an example:
aas2.asian-studies.org/EAA/EAA-Archives/14/2/843.pdf
TBH They should've added like a majority of the characters trying the sword out because if someone came and started dominating with a weapon everyone in the game will try out the weapon, for example if some pro player in csgo started to dominate the game with the AUG everyone will try and use the AUG.
Funny enough I just watched a video by ThePedanticRomantic yesterday that hit on a lot of these plot holes lol. I have to say, I was pretty excited for this show based on the 1st ep but that was just a hook to get me to stick around tbh. The moment I stopped and really thought about the 1st plot hole I found screwed me because all I could do after that is watch for more of them. The best part is that at the start of the original GGO, 1st guy to talk rants about how agility builds are over and there's gonna be a new meta over some other stat and yet I assume that Kirito used agility build and Llen definitely used one. Why did no one else use one in GGO:Alt if after watching BoB Kirito successfully won (tied I guess) using it? Because main character needs to have something OP over everybody else even if it makes the whole rest of them look stupid lol
Agility builds in GGO was kind of a "early game build", but once the game started its middle to late existence almost all weapons become usable only for high STR characters and the Full AGI with minimum STR builds got kind of binded with lower rank weapons.
Remember that llenn used vz-91 since the start before buying p90 and she was dubbed a pink devil already because of how fast she killed, i dont see how investing so much points that you cripple every characteristic is beneficial if gun requiring no stats still shreds in you in short burst...
Also i wonder what ppl using regular assault rifles put their points into cause they arent any more tanky nor faster than a girl with 2 grenade launchers or guy carrying a goddamn barricade in his backpack.
I seriously would consider it if body armor was a thing in this game and that requires strength to move in. A guy in eod suit with gatling would make sense but without that hes just an easy target for everyone.
Kirito has a STRENGTH build!! How can anyone even mistake that!?!? Did you even watch the series? Kirito has very fast reflexes BUT has a STRENGTH BUILD!!!
Mikester919 Yes I watched the series, back when it aired in 2014 that is so forgive me if I don't remember the subtle details of a show I didn't particularly enjoy. As far as Google results go I couldn't find any info on what Kirito's stats were and that's why I stated that I was ASSUMING this to be the case. If his stats were explicitly stated at some point during the anime or in the LN then let me know, that is fine, but considering that the SAO wiki says strength affects carrying capacity & ability to wield certain guns I deduced that wasn't his primary stat as all I remember him using was a handgun and his sword.
Unless he needed a lot of strength to wield his beam sword, agility seemed to be the most logical stat choice since it affects player movement speed and evasive ability. A touch of vitality to ensure he doesn't get one shotted and it'd seem like a decent set but this is a made up game in an anime so what do I know right?
Mikester919 actually Kirito's build is "STR / AGI" (Sinnon used this exact term) with STR and AGI as the highests and the others stats in a medium to low rank.
And yes, he basically uses a AGI build and ignore the STR (or maybe the lightsaber needs a huge amount of STR to be used, idk).
I agree with a lot except that she's more OP than kirito. Can Lenn PREDICT bullet lines? Meaning that kirito counters one of the moves all the "pro's" use ( the "put your finger only on the trigger when actually making the shot" making it not display a bullet line. Well yeah doesn't affect kirito ) Can Lenn then use her knife to "block" or "parry" the bullets. I think you underestimate kirito because it's been to long since you've seen him in action. And I don't think M would be able to kill him. Maybe in the first encounter. But kirito being the strategist he is, would strategise around these problems once he's seen them.
Also you've even said it. Lenn got lucky a lot of the times ;)
Well, basically all Sao-series anime is one piece of OP bullshit after another. That's why I've stopped watching after yui in first season when all the tension went to dump, not like there was much threat before that.
but basically overall the ggo alternative was better written than any other sao ever was
jan kubraczek i agree that season 1 wasn’t good but i actually liked season 2. Kirito has a bit of characterization in that arc and sinon is introduced too.
senpai sama I just can't stomach harem shows
jan kubraczek well some OP main characters have a good personality MC of One Punch Man and the MC of Overlord
Ramog1000 Not really. The MC still has god tier plot armor, the tournaments are a joke, character motivations are ridiculous, all enemies have brainless IA level of skill, game balance is all over the place, ridiculous mechanics that no sensible developer would put in a shooter game. Kirito only surpasses LLENN in bullshitery thanks to him not dying for some reason at the end of the first half of the show.
"Blending in the environment" shows image of llen not blending in at all
A video game anime with shit tier balancing and ridiculous themes. Dropped it on episode 5.
if you dont like the aime leave little shit
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2:50 Because AGI ain't meta in GGO anymore. Renember when it was talked about in the Phantom Bullet arc?
Fate characters are still way too op compared to SAO or GGO characters
In fate the characters in general are op, all are op so they are not op relativ to the other characters in fate.
Holy Blade 616
What the hell? So? What does that have to do with anything?
You'd be way better off comparing Overlord characters with Fate Characters, SAO and Fate isn't anywhere near sensible...lol
I mean, some of them are literally demigods so them to be broken is only natural
its also not the point of fate to be balanced xD if it would be it would also be kinda boring
Holy Blade 616 Overlord characters to
Using your rifle as a club in combat is actually very common.
gundam built divers > sao alternative ggo
trycon40 as much as I love gundam and their build series I have to say that divers is the worst and falls behind ggo. The anime is focused on a group of newbs that have very little on screen progression (training with tiger and planning against the zaku team) but it primarily has other op characters appear to support and deal with the protagonists problems 3/5 times and most of the op top tier players take an unnatural liking to the protagonists. GGO is not much different since llenn is rarely shown to have lost and has an op pro character help her early on but turns into her enemy later on forcing a new player to support her. The real edge I overall give to GGO is their slightly more natural cramming of pros and antagonists and their more apparent training moments. For the fights I also give GGO the edge since while their fights feel paced and fleshed out the fights in divers feel rushed and too much diolauge and cockpit shots are crammed in the middle.
No, Gundam diver more consistent story. I love both anime.. Vr in both world is class world apart. Still both dangerous if wrong way.
Ashchi Salleh 1. Don't make a statement without proof or examples. 2. Both are not dangerous, GGO is only dangerous maybe in the fact that is a shooter game as such it is easier to create I'll will in this environment (example season 2 gun gales antagonist.) But for Divers there is no real life connection from irl and the game besides the gunpla and the builder. Anything that damages your your gunpla does not leave real world marks nor do you take any damage if hurt in GBN. There is no danger.
acetwinelf c I see lot of damage in both game.. Either psychical or heart. Because both mc fan of game . It just safe to see because both been patch for safety purposes. Still... And both has same intention evil guy.. Only difference face and theme.
Ashchi Salleh just because something can cause you to mentally be hurt does not make it dangerous. Not in this case. The game does not cause direct psychological damage. It only comes from those that cares about the game for some reason. Saying a game like that is dangerous that means fortnite, cod, and overwatch are super dangerous games.
Llenn was playing ggo for around 5 months before entering the first squad jam on , the game itself launched in april of 2025, 5 months before llenn started playing and 6 moths after SAO was beaten on november 7, 2024. Fuka we can assume has been playing alfhiem since launch. we don't exactly know when Alfhiem was launched but we can assume it was somewhere between a 6 months and a year prior to SAO was beaten as kirito's sister started playing it while he was still trapped in SAO. So Llenn and Fuka are by no means Newbies by the time Squad jam 2 happens on April 4 2026 about a month and a half after the first. As for their height they are 4'11" and they are in a full dive ritual reality not looking at their avatar on a 24+ inch screen, It's literally no different than fighting a 4'11" person in real life not everyone is 6'3" like M's avatar is. For llenn's speed it's a game it's not realistic and unlike the call of duty example you showed she did not teleport and couldn't knife people through walls. Also fuck balancing.
Never. Kirito is way better, sword characters are always better
Kagiri geez, have you even watched the video?
Emperor Cryo no
Kagiri please do so to understand what hes talking about
Kagiri i’d take llen over kirito anyday. And i haven’t even alternative yet. If someone makes a video stating that llen is stronger than kirito, i’ll believe it.
Kagiri I love swords and guns
height is an advantage in hand to hand combat. all you have to do is take advantage of the inherent reach provided
So she's worse then kirito people hated kirito because he was over powered oh but I forgot she's a female good ol double standards
No, Kirito was overpowered and BOOOOOOOOOOORING. I mean, his character boiled down to this cool guy who's broody but also kind but also whatever the fuck the plot wanted. Christ, you wonder why SAO Abridged is considered an improvement over the Anime? Kirito there has an actual goddamn character arc.
matt0044 and he keeps his abilities. So he's op, but you can enjoy his character to look past it.
matt0044 kinda like saitama, he's op as fuck, but he has a decent character personality whil side characters decent spotlight, so you don't od on OP
Kirito being boring is still Kirito being boring though.
matt0044 she's boring too
2:50 *Cough Cough* Yamikaze, Pale Rider, Kirito. Also being small didn't really help Fuka, aside from the stealth thing. Llenn just really thinks outside the box when it comes to using her advantages. She probably has a few disadvantages as well. This is just speculation but she's probably unable to use certain weapons, probably has lower hp, strength, more recoil, etc.
Let's face it we love Kirito not because he's op or anything but because he survived a game like SAO and completed it "alone" (making him bad-ass) and we hate him at the same time coz of his op-ness (and his woman magnet features) but we can't help it coz we *Expect* him to be like than and he looks *better* to be like that while Llenn on the other side is more of the *relatable* and *interesting* character coz she's op in the sense that she uses tactics without thinking twice in situations like one on one without us viewers expecting her to use certain tactics with her *skills* and *unique* abilities (like what Kirito usually does) or expecting her to do some rage op attacks, what's more interesting about Llenn is that since she's introduced as a beginner so we have no knowledge of how she play games and yet for someone who is a newbie she op but tjen again not because of her skills but because of her tactics.
Nicole Zia makes no sense a noob has no tactics to speak of. She essentially got carried by M in the first tournament and then it went to 100% bs.
Bullshit that actually everyone exploited, one of the reasons I liked the writings of the LN compared to the anime. LLENN wasn't the only one who exploited body invulnerability for example, also Pitohuy did in the light novel and the amazonesses to defeat M. While not a master piece I have to appreciate the writer of Alternative know that Kawahara's writing is bullshit but how we turn bullshit into something fun.
More believable than SAO's bullshit, like Kirito managing to still stab healthcliff with is 0 HP and with no explanation (while using Asuna's sword that the lore explained you cannot just grab random shit and use it cuz it requires to be registered in the equipment menu outside of combat in the LN). LLENN fought with Bullshit but isn't this natural to competitive games too? if it's a pro game and it had horrendous exploits they will still do it to win.
Joel Peter not all noobs and she's not that new to the game, coz in the first place she already played the game for like months with Pito before the contest. And the tactics I was talking about were in the last part of SJ1 and the whole time in SJ2. What I was trying to say that Karen/Llenn was more relatable because we saw how she "grow" not like a certain guy who was like "Imma complete this game coz lol there's no one can" and "I'm so pro that I can be invinsible in any game"
Nicole Zia let's face it llenn has 0 experience and the only reason she won the tournament is because of M having some real life Tactical experience without m to even show her anything she would be toast. While Kirito has a natural/unnatural god like reaction time and reflexes that are so good he can cut a 50. Bmg round from 10m like holy fuck.
And can come up with his own Tactics and has a unreal sence of his surrounding and can for some reason sense someones bloodlust. And Kirito can rush a machine gun with just a sword and hand gun and get close enough to do a finishing blow. while llenn only skill traits are being fast and small all things Kirito can probably handle especially since her style is Close Quarters and Kirito is a master of close quarters combat and he has a sword and she has a knife he's obviously going to win
Its most likely that LENN’s Luck Score is up there & it boosts her [Speed] scores.
Yes, “Luck” is an actual stat in RPGs & in FPSRPGs, I can see the ‘Practicality’ in it.
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I mean atleast llenn actually practiced and learned the game instead of figuring out the entire game instantly because he’s a “genius.”
@@dizzy7291 I get that for sure it’s just so much more satisfying seeing a character grow than be a god from the start
It was already established that speed stats was the best strategy in ggo in sao 2 but was nerfed apparently not
I want to see Kirito vs Llenn it would be awesome to see the pair of them fight like let’s say Kirito and Sinon participate in SG
Or at least in the tournament when she didn't participate' and someone says she's lucky she didn't because someone way more powerful or something winning the tournament I just shows a picture of kirito or it shows the tournament and kirito winning so easy
@@h4re482 lol yeah, a kirito cameo would be cool if GGO ever gets a sequel. Also how did you find this comment I posted this 2 years ago
@@lupinbupin idk i think I just scroll down a lot at a fast speed and found this and commented on it
The problem with kirito's openess its just off screen BS that he may have done, we never SEE him improve he just did SUPPOSEDLY grind, luck to become op or just BS excuses you choose your poison.
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0:58 that's not LLENN, that's he friend in that scene
Guys the thing is kirito already beaten how the vr headset preety much has control on your mind he will just turn on his hax mode again. ( what I mean is when the brain realised that what he is seeing and stuff is not true and it’s just false information and that’s when you can control it) this will now be very hard to manifest unless someone stays in the game forever and has the fear of death cause that’s preety much the only way your brain will finally realise is when your in very very bad mental state .
Honestly, I kind of liked LLENN more than Kirito on all fronts. I didn’t really care that she was given advantages. I just thought she was the better character, more “real” to put it one way.
Fuka had a lot of game experiance. It's stated that she's been a gamer for a long time and played other VR games before GGO and as it was explained in main SAO some of your stats carry over when you switch between VR games
Just thinking, isn't LLENN's story in the time span where agility builds were considered too op before the strength requires added to weapons?
Well yes and no. Agi builds still OP, but since people knew to counter, they are basically relegated to Tier B, Tier A being the tanky hard-hitting peeps.
i think it's pretty cool to have your avatar randomized because you can't choose your body type in real life. So it would be pretty interesting to be surprised and forced to work with your body or for your character to have advantages. Maybe it isn't too balanced but i think it would work better in full dive vr.
Oh yes. Kirito can f**kin cut a sniper shot in midair. While LIenn just runs very fast and has a smaller hitbox. Of course, Kirito will lose.
And oh yes, I cant forget about the fact Kirito can predict the bullet by the shooter's eye(Line of sight)
The way I see it is that at first the game designers were probably going for a mix of realism plus ultimate customization so her hit box just happened to be shrunk down as realistically it would have to be to be able to hit her. Now as for why no one else seems to be playing this way seems to be that no one has happened to actually play a character with these stats and size so it hasn’t been taken advantage of til now. So more than likely if we were to see the future it would be really saturated with players like her, the game creators would nerf her stats or the change the rules slightly, or some one will have figured out a counter build and thus teams will end up with a mix of that and her build. That’s just how the natural progression of games works as anyone who has played LoL for a long time would tell you. As when people start exploiting any game mechanics they nerf them to make it more balanced or the players find a counter
Just a thought. Wasn't one of her motifs in the series that she's a "lucky girl"? I mean, all her OP stats in game are recognized as those: OP stats, game advantage. That's why she won the first SJ, because she was a "lucky". Even M and Pitou called her a "lucky" player, if I don't remember wrong.
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What do you mean by her friend had no game knowledge? Wasn't her friend was the one who told her to play games (Not GGO) or was at least knows how to play games?
If you meant she wasn't skilled in GGO then that different. Still we did see her train a bit before the tournament. If anything LLENN friend has more game knowledge then her.
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She only played the fairy 🧚♀️ 🧚♂️ Games she never played GGO
Tim Xman Well I wondering in the video he was talking about if she had no game knowledge as in she's never played a game or if only the FG is all she's played. That's all.
My theory of why Llen was fast because she visited so many games before getting her loli avatar and maybe picked up an ability from one of those games like how Kirito gained the ability to deflect magic after his time in ggo