Hi @therealsprometheus, cool video! The reason we made the first Puqpress was one of our friends who worked as a Barista but started to develop RSI in her wrist. Later we found the entire team was more consistent and overal flavor improved too :) But this was all in coffee bar environment. The Q2 is our most advanced product and a bit of an overkill indeed for home use. We are planning to make a small and more affordable version for home use later on. (But you didn't get that from us.) Cool channel mate! + 1 follower! Best regards from Amsterdam! Puqpress
Thanks for dropping by and the kind words! I’m always happy to see manufacturers chime in on things like this. I absolutely believe in making things easier on barista in high volume environments, and know that RSI is a real deal. I’ll be looking out for your new items for sure! Thanks again!
Great, helpful video. I’m one of those rare home users with a modest espresso set up (Rocket Mozzafiato Evo R, Eureka Mignon Oro XL - all because of space constraints) who purchased a Puq Press Q2 to avoid exacerbating an old repetitive strain injury. Although I was a pretty proficient tamper, the daily process began to take a toll and increase my pain, so I decided $1200 was a cheap price to pay - given the alternative. It works like a charm, is SO consistent, and my morning routine is now pain-free. The biggest surprise, other than the sudden lack of discomfort which I didn’t realize was steadily increasing, was the impact the super consistent tamping had on the quality of my espresso shots. They are smoother, more mellow, and extract more consistently. The Puq Press was worth every damn cent. For me.
Loris Caruso I think that’s true for the other PuqPress units that fit under grinders and whatnot. But this one is definitely aiming for the home user. They even sell this exact unit on La Marzocco home now.
@@Sprometheus I've seen this exact standalone unit in just about every specialty coffee shop I've been to in northern Ireland. Can't imagine anyone outside of a commercial setting investing in this.
After doing 14 shots in 4 minutes at work today, the Puqpress looks like a machine made of dreams and sunshine. I'll admit, I use the wrong part of my palm pretty regularly, but I use the technique that's easier on the shoulder and arm. This though...to never have to worry about my shoulder or wrist again...
I have a puq press Mini and I love it, I wouldn't do without it. I have a bit of arthritis in my hands so it's a lot easier for me to use. I would highly recommend it.
Gotta smash that like button as soon as the video starts. I work in a high volume cafe and the puqpress is really intriguing. Spending time training people to tamp is frustrating. It seems like time would be way better spent on other skills more important to being a coffee professional. Eliminating the tamping variable would make the dialing in process a lot more streamlined too. I feel like just for those reasons, $1,100 is totally worth it in the long run for the cafe setting. Keep up the good work sir. The information in these videos is outstanding but they're also probably the prettiest coffee videos on RUclips. Sorry James...
For sure. Cafes can benefit from that, especially ones with lots of employees and high traffic. It’s crazy that they are trying to market this to home as something needed though. Thank you so much Mark! That means a lot. I put a ton of time into these videos and am always super flattered when people even put me in the same category as James, let alone better at something! I really appreciate you taking the time to not only watch, but comment! Cheers!
Great video. I have shoulder issues and bought a Puqpress Q2. It’s the difference between being able to make espresso and not as I couldn’t do without it. I can understand that if you don’t have a problem with tamping, it’s not needed. One other thing of note is that if you’re using say a double spouted filter and a naked portafilter, you can’t just swap between the two. It either fits one or the other. You have to adjust the Puqpress which is about 10 mins work!
For sure! I feel like physical limitations are definitely the reason why I’d see them at home. And yeah, it’s a bit odd why they require a little adjustment even when using the same basket, but such is all this new tech stuff.
The Real Sprometheus Hi. Just out of interest, if I wanted to add another tool to supplement the puqpress, which would you recommend between the Push Tamper and the OCD. I presume the OCD is better than Push Tamper for distribution but not for tamping? So the OCD can do both but the Push Tamper can only tamp - is that right? Thanks.
Rizwan Walji In my opinion I’d recommend the OCD because the motion is more a twist with a slight push to get the puck to tamp. Seems easier on the wrist and shoulder. Plus, between the two the shots tamped with the OCD were more balanced and better tasting than the shots with just the Push tamper.
Puqpress is pretty much standard equipment for most specialty cafes here in Sydney now, but absolutely not necessary for home. Good for your shoulder after years of manual tamping.
Excellent video, and confirms how I think about this press as a home Barista. They belong in commercial environments where multiple people are working rather than a single person. Still really interesting to see the narrow difference between the methods. Might as well keep those $1100 straight in my pocket! 😁
One thing that has struck me is this. I do only have a 51 mm basket which without any funnels etc, gets quite ful already at 15 grams and above. For this reason I hold the portafilter under the grinder and taps it constantly during the grind. When its done, I just tap the filter a few times or even spreads the surface abit with the hand before doing the nornal tamp. This way I almost NEVER get any sprizers and the shots ends up very consistant. Can this technique by tapping the portafilter during the whole coffee-ground filling process, be the reason ?
We have a palm tamper at my cafe. The only downside seems to be that they are easily adjustable and every barista that dials in seems to have their own preference for tamping depth
Yeah I can see that being an issue. But I feel like a notebook should be kept to track that and also maybe more of a grind change adjustment than a tamper adjustment to keep everyone more on the same page. The only tricky part is if you have more than one coffee on bar and just one tamper.
The most important thing, it preserves the shoulder of the barista (I hope I said it correctly, English is not my native language) You can imagine how the joints and muscles feel after 500 tamps a day
This video couldn’t of came at a better time. Just got a new grinder and before I get the new espresso machine I’m looking to change my tamper. Was going to purchase the push tamper but don’t like the idea of changing settings on it for each new bag of beans I try. Have shortened it down to the Pullman Big Step or the Barista Hustle tamper. Any opinion?
That is perfect! I think both the BH and Big Step are great options. I personally love the Big Step for its feel and weight in your hand. It just had a more substantial feel than the BH. Both are highly accurate and smooth tools to work with. I lean towards the Pullman because of its adjustable height, replaceable parts, and customization options.
Spro, are you sure they're aiming this at the home barista with more money than sense? I'm definitely one of those (I've got a dual boiler machine, acaia lunar scale, stepless grinder dialed in for espresso, and another stepped grinder for French press and Aeropress, etc., etc.) and I couldn't justify that expense. Especially as it would render my personalized Reg Barber tamper moot lol But seriously, that last point is key - a big part of the romance of going all in on home espresso is the tamping act. Why would I kill that? I might as well pick up one of those Breville machines that will grind and tamp for me
Yeah I was pretty shocked to see this machine for sale on the La Marzocco home website. So they are aiming for home baristas. I think there are definitely cases of people who want the craft espresso experience without the work, and automatic machines are getting more popular. So this is their way of trying to maybe tip the scales a bit back in LMs direction. Just like adding that new Swift grinder for home that is going to be maybe $4-5,000 for a grinder/tamper combo. Hoping I can get a press tester of that one. But may be hard after they see what I said here haha.
@@Sprometheus lol ya think? ;-) You know, I could totally see myself throwing one of these (ruclips.net/video/zpa8GZw685s/видео.html) on my counter if it had a little more sex appeal, and instead of a spring release an analog gauge so I could tweak the pressure myself. I can see it now - The Sprometheus Lever on Kickstarter!
There is flat out no way this is a worthwhile purchase for a home. Putting aside the fact that tamping is one of the joys of the process, it's also a fairly quick easy to learn part. This is thing is for cafés, where speed and consistency acros different staff is crucial.
i look at this like an expensive toy that it would take me a lot of hard work to get and I will use twice and then put it somewhere to collect dust, especially for 2 reasons. First I really enjoy all the process of making a good espresso and second it looks boring to use even in a cafe. If i have that crazy amount of money and i could only used on a tamper I will comision a really cool and over price, costume hand made tamper that will look better and I could be proud to show and use. If i have all that money i will probably a upgrade my grinder or kettle, or get a water filter This review made see this in a different perspective, the other reviews or videos that i have seen usually have an personal interes, your video help me see it in a completely new perspective Amazing video as usual! keep it up! BTW sorry but at the moment i can't support you in patreon i hope in the future i could
Great comment and I agree completely. I wasn’t disappointed to see it go. It’s definitely kind of a show piece, but not really a stand out in general. I wouldn’t use it regularly at all. It absolutely takes away from the craft feel, but I can see it being useful for those with physical limitations on tamping. But in the end, i think it’ll be a flop in the home market. Sometimes I feel like these companies don’t see how excited people are about the full hands on experience. Look at how popular the Flair and handgrinders are!? Thank so much for the kind words, and don’t worry about the Patreon. I don’t want anyone to feel pressured to join. Just another way of supporting outside of watching and commenting. It means a lot that people even do that!
@@Sprometheus i don't feel pressured is just that i will like to support you in a better way than just seen your videos, randome video idea a tamper collection
That’s not a bad idea, but I actually only own 4 tampers. May not be enough for a full video. But I do want to have video about my set up, so that will likely be part of that one.
The Real Sprometheus you think so? I used strada baskets for a long time with naked porta filters and then started using vst baskets on a Línea EE and found much more overall consistent extractions with the VST baskets
I’ve never noticed a difference. I believe they are made in the same factory’s day undergo all the same process of manufacturing. The only difference is the VST baskets are inspected digitally and the Strada are inspected manually.
A $1100 tamper is ridiculously. Even in high output commercial cafe environments I think it has no place. As head barista it'd be a much better idea to invest at least a little bit of time in getting your employees on the same page. For us gear heads yes it's an interesting piece of tech and I'd love to tinker around with it for a while, but at no point would it actually replace a normal tamper for me.
PuqPress--a good quality but overpriced product. Technivorm Moccamaster--a good quality but overpriced drip machine. Both companies based in the Netherlands...I'm thinking the Dutch need to re-assess the value of their coffee products.
Hi @therealsprometheus, cool video!
The reason we made the first Puqpress was one of our friends who worked as a Barista but started to develop RSI in her wrist.
Later we found the entire team was more consistent and overal flavor improved too :) But this was all in coffee bar environment.
The Q2 is our most advanced product and a bit of an overkill indeed for home use.
We are planning to make a small and more affordable version for home use later on. (But you didn't get that from us.)
Cool channel mate! + 1 follower!
Best regards from Amsterdam!
Puqpress
Thanks for dropping by and the kind words! I’m always happy to see manufacturers chime in on things like this.
I absolutely believe in making things easier on barista in high volume environments, and know that RSI is a real deal.
I’ll be looking out for your new items for sure! Thanks again!
Is the mini version best for home use?
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Great, helpful video. I’m one of those rare home users with a modest espresso set up (Rocket Mozzafiato Evo R, Eureka Mignon Oro XL - all because of space constraints) who purchased a Puq Press Q2 to avoid exacerbating an old repetitive strain injury. Although I was a pretty proficient tamper, the daily process began to take a toll and increase my pain, so I decided $1200 was a cheap price to pay - given the alternative. It works like a charm, is SO consistent, and my morning routine is now pain-free. The biggest surprise, other than the sudden lack of discomfort which I didn’t realize was steadily increasing, was the impact the super consistent tamping had on the quality of my espresso shots. They are smoother, more mellow, and extract more consistently. The Puq Press was worth every damn cent. For me.
I think it's targeted at cafés that have different baristas. It is easier to stay the exact same with no human interference
Loris Caruso I think that’s true for the other PuqPress units that fit under grinders and whatnot. But this one is definitely aiming for the home user. They even sell this exact unit on La Marzocco home now.
@@Sprometheus I've seen this exact standalone unit in just about every specialty coffee shop I've been to in northern Ireland. Can't imagine anyone outside of a commercial setting investing in this.
If nothing else it makes sense for consistency and reducing RSI in Batista's pulling shots back to back for customers
After doing 14 shots in 4 minutes at work today, the Puqpress looks like a machine made of dreams and sunshine. I'll admit, I use the wrong part of my palm pretty regularly, but I use the technique that's easier on the shoulder and arm. This though...to never have to worry about my shoulder or wrist again...
I have a puq press Mini and I love it, I wouldn't do without it. I have a bit of arthritis in my hands so it's a lot easier for me to use. I would highly recommend it.
Gotta smash that like button as soon as the video starts. I work in a high volume cafe and the puqpress is really intriguing. Spending time training people to tamp is frustrating. It seems like time would be way better spent on other skills more important to being a coffee professional. Eliminating the tamping variable would make the dialing in process a lot more streamlined too. I feel like just for those reasons, $1,100 is totally worth it in the long run for the cafe setting.
Keep up the good work sir. The information in these videos is outstanding but they're also probably the prettiest coffee videos on RUclips.
Sorry James...
For sure. Cafes can benefit from that, especially ones with lots of employees and high traffic. It’s crazy that they are trying to market this to home as something needed though.
Thank you so much Mark! That means a lot. I put a ton of time into these videos and am always super flattered when people even put me in the same category as James, let alone better at something! I really appreciate you taking the time to not only watch, but comment! Cheers!
Great video. I have shoulder issues and bought a Puqpress Q2. It’s the difference between being able to make espresso and not as I couldn’t do without it. I can understand that if you don’t have a problem with tamping, it’s not needed. One other thing of note is that if you’re using say a double spouted filter and a naked portafilter, you can’t just swap between the two. It either fits one or the other. You have to adjust the Puqpress which is about 10 mins work!
For sure! I feel like physical limitations are definitely the reason why I’d see them at home. And yeah, it’s a bit odd why they require a little adjustment even when using the same basket, but such is all this new tech stuff.
The Real Sprometheus Hi. Just out of interest, if I wanted to add another tool to supplement the puqpress, which would you recommend between the Push Tamper and the OCD. I presume the OCD is better than Push Tamper for distribution but not for tamping? So the OCD can do both but the Push Tamper can only tamp - is that right? Thanks.
Rizwan Walji In my opinion I’d recommend the OCD because the motion is more a twist with a slight push to get the puck to tamp. Seems easier on the wrist and shoulder. Plus, between the two the shots tamped with the OCD were more balanced and better tasting than the shots with just the Push tamper.
The Real Sprometheus Thank you!
Really interesting! That thing is made for store making a lot and a lot of shot to preserves the wrist of the employee
Yeah it feels like it’s best suited for a very busy cafe. But this one is angled towards the home user, which feels like a waste in general.
No better shots is the primary reason
No need to even manually tamp with an adjustable height distribution tool like an OCD. They're just more consistent.
I just bought one! I will use it at home. My husband loves espresso. Nice thought . Thank you.
Puqpress is pretty much standard equipment for most specialty cafes here in Sydney now, but absolutely not necessary for home. Good for your shoulder after years of manual tamping.
Yeah I’ve heard Australian cafes really crank out drinks like mad. Makes sense to have them there for sure.
Excellent video, and confirms how I think about this press as a home Barista. They belong in commercial environments where multiple people are working rather than a single person. Still really interesting to see the narrow difference between the methods. Might as well keep those $1100 straight in my pocket! 😁
Exactly my thoughts. It’s just not needed in most home barista situations.
Thanks for running these comparisons Sprometheus.
Not a problem! It’s my idea of a good time. Thanks for watching!
Totally agree. This is meant to be for busy coffeeshops
Thats for sure!
One thing that has struck me is this. I do only have a 51 mm basket which without any funnels etc, gets quite ful already at 15 grams and above. For this reason I hold the portafilter under the grinder and taps it constantly during the grind. When its done, I just tap the filter a few times or even spreads the surface abit with the hand before doing the nornal tamp. This way I almost NEVER get any sprizers and the shots ends up very consistant. Can this technique by tapping the portafilter during the whole coffee-ground filling process, be the reason ?
Agree the push tamper is better bet. Spending over 1k on a tamper is nuts for home barista! Good grinder better value.
These videos are pure gold!👌🏻 Glad to be able to give a little bit back to you with your Patreon :)
Thanks Lucas! Means a lot. I appreciate your support both on here and on Patreon!
We have a palm tamper at my cafe. The only downside seems to be that they are easily adjustable and every barista that dials in seems to have their own preference for tamping depth
Yeah I can see that being an issue. But I feel like a notebook should be kept to track that and also maybe more of a grind change adjustment than a tamper adjustment to keep everyone more on the same page. The only tricky part is if you have more than one coffee on bar and just one tamper.
Those weights out can be your pump. Try it with an auto volumetric machine
The most important thing, it preserves the shoulder of the barista (I hope I said it correctly, English is not my native language)
You can imagine how the joints and muscles feel after 500 tamps a day
This video couldn’t of came at a better time. Just got a new grinder and before I get the new espresso machine I’m looking to change my tamper. Was going to purchase the push tamper but don’t like the idea of changing settings on it for each new bag of beans I try.
Have shortened it down to the Pullman Big Step or the Barista Hustle tamper. Any opinion?
That is perfect! I think both the BH and Big Step are great options. I personally love the Big Step for its feel and weight in your hand. It just had a more substantial feel than the BH. Both are highly accurate and smooth tools to work with. I lean towards the Pullman because of its adjustable height, replaceable parts, and customization options.
i share the same opinion, but: its not the most expensive tampertool, we hafe the infinitamp from pullman starting at 2100$ :D
Oh! Well here I was thinking this was as expensive as it got! That’s wild. It must be made for cafe use though, right?
Thanks for the detailed review
Is it good to buy Puqpress mini vs Force Tamper? Waiting for your skilled response.
Review the force tamper. Essentially does the same thing at a fraction of the cost.
I’m definitely looking into it, I’m curious to see how it would measure up,
OCD knock off for my la pavoni lever has done wonders for my extraction. I don’t tamp
Got one at work, quite helpful for a busy cafe, but like you said, way too expensive for home.
Home model is coming i heard.
Are extractions time the same for if you’re making a cappuccino?
For example, 18g in 40g out 28sec etc
Yeah I don’t think I’d change the time too much. But dropping from 21g to 18g will require a basket swap and a finder grind for sure.
the mini costs half the price. still insane.
Thanks. Excellent video. Very informative.
Thanks J! And thanks for watching!
Spro, are you sure they're aiming this at the home barista with more money than sense? I'm definitely one of those (I've got a dual boiler machine, acaia lunar scale, stepless grinder dialed in for espresso, and another stepped grinder for French press and Aeropress, etc., etc.) and I couldn't justify that expense. Especially as it would render my personalized Reg Barber tamper moot lol
But seriously, that last point is key - a big part of the romance of going all in on home espresso is the tamping act. Why would I kill that? I might as well pick up one of those Breville machines that will grind and tamp for me
Yeah I was pretty shocked to see this machine for sale on the La Marzocco home website. So they are aiming for home baristas. I think there are definitely cases of people who want the craft espresso experience without the work, and automatic machines are getting more popular. So this is their way of trying to maybe tip the scales a bit back in LMs direction. Just like adding that new Swift grinder for home that is going to be maybe $4-5,000 for a grinder/tamper combo. Hoping I can get a press tester of that one. But may be hard after they see what I said here haha.
@@Sprometheus lol ya think? ;-)
You know, I could totally see myself throwing one of these (ruclips.net/video/zpa8GZw685s/видео.html) on my counter if it had a little more sex appeal, and instead of a spring release an analog gauge so I could tweak the pressure myself.
I can see it now - The Sprometheus Lever on Kickstarter!
@@Sprometheus - Thor has his hammer; Sprometheus has his tamper!
Haha that’s a fact!
this gonna wastes money , but surely I wish to own one of this expensive temper haha
Let's call a spade a spade; it's a money grab!
Nice video! Would you tell me what cups you got there? Thanks in advance :)
Thank you! I use notNeutral cups. They are the best!
The best always. Saving the money bro 😎
There is flat out no way this is a worthwhile purchase for a home. Putting aside the fact that tamping is one of the joys of the process, it's also a fairly quick easy to learn part. This is thing is for cafés, where speed and consistency acros different staff is crucial.
i look at this like an expensive toy that it would take me a lot of hard work to get and I will use twice and then put it somewhere to collect dust, especially for 2 reasons. First I really enjoy all the process of making a good espresso and second it looks boring to use even in a cafe.
If i have that crazy amount of money and i could only used on a tamper I will comision a really cool and over price, costume hand made tamper that will look better and I could be proud to show and use.
If i have all that money i will probably a upgrade my grinder or kettle, or get a water filter
This review made see this in a different perspective, the other reviews or videos that i have seen usually have an personal interes, your video help me see it in a completely new perspective
Amazing video as usual! keep it up!
BTW sorry but at the moment i can't support you in patreon i hope in the future i could
Great comment and I agree completely. I wasn’t disappointed to see it go. It’s definitely kind of a show piece, but not really a stand out in general. I wouldn’t use it regularly at all.
It absolutely takes away from the craft feel, but I can see it being useful for those with physical limitations on tamping. But in the end, i think it’ll be a flop in the home market. Sometimes I feel like these companies don’t see how excited people are about the full hands on experience. Look at how popular the Flair and handgrinders are!?
Thank so much for the kind words, and don’t worry about the Patreon. I don’t want anyone to feel pressured to join. Just another way of supporting outside of watching and commenting. It means a lot that people even do that!
@@Sprometheus i don't feel pressured is just that i will like to support you in a better way than just seen your videos, randome video idea a tamper collection
That’s not a bad idea, but I actually only own 4 tampers. May not be enough for a full video. But I do want to have video about my set up, so that will likely be part of that one.
I think it was invented to stop baristas from getting rsi on their joints
That’s true for the cafe version, but at home if you’re getting RSI that’s pretty crazy.
@@Sprometheus yes u need therapy if your getting it at home lol its a posh toy for the house.
Alan Moore for sure. Outside of physical limitations this thing should never see a home kitchen.
It seems to me like you’re not using a VST basket. Are you?
Nope, I use the La Marzocco Strada baskets. Pretty much the same as a VST though.
The Real Sprometheus you think so? I used strada baskets for a long time with naked porta filters and then started using vst baskets on a Línea EE and found much more overall consistent extractions with the VST baskets
I’ve never noticed a difference. I believe they are made in the same factory’s day undergo all the same process of manufacturing. The only difference is the VST baskets are inspected digitally and the Strada are inspected manually.
Or you can just get a knock off distribution tool and save yourself even more money. OCD tool is a rip off IMO
coladuna you can for sure. I like to support ONA because it seems like they were first on the market and Sasa is a legend.
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What brand is that grinder?
Thats a La Marzocco Lux D, which is similar to a Mazzer Mini E.
The Real Sprometheus Thank you very much!
The cafe that i worked,using puqpress,its true u have to distribute well
Yeah, it really made a surprising difference.
Automatic machines are slowly going to be the way
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That's a no go for me. Rather upgrade machines
Agreed. My grinder costs less than that.
Mythos 2 + puq press!
Sounds like an solid cafe duo!
A $1100 tamper is ridiculously. Even in high output commercial cafe environments I think it has no place. As head barista it'd be a much better idea to invest at least a little bit of time in getting your employees on the same page. For us gear heads yes it's an interesting piece of tech and I'd love to tinker around with it for a while, but at no point would it actually replace a normal tamper for me.
Yes I feel the same way. Unless there are some physical limitations it doesn’t seem all that needed.
1100$ ... you’re too much of a nice guy. Tap, 1100$ -> no - end of the video.
I mean the margin these guys must be doing with that price.
Oh I’m sure these must be manufactured for maybe $20. I think in some cases home baristas are looked at as deep pockets as opposed to deep passion.
PuqPress--a good quality but overpriced product.
Technivorm Moccamaster--a good quality but overpriced drip machine.
Both companies based in the Netherlands...I'm thinking the Dutch need to re-assess the value of their coffee products.
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