Nvidia 4090 Founders Edition Have More Issues - 18 Cards Repair
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I was the first 4090 Alex repaired and people gave me such shit for breaking the connector. It has been a little over a year and I am happy to report 0 issues since the repair, imagine that. I recently sent him a win gpd 3 handheld, curious if he can fix it! (Many issues unfortunately)
Nobody cares if your 4090 was the first to be fixed. As long as it was fixed, that's all viewers and Alex cares about.
Ye it sucks when you are one of first who buy a new failing product
@@JynxedKomaHe’s insinuating NVIDIA’s propaganda “user error”… is indeed propaganda
@@JynxedKoma Nobody cares about what you have to say yet here you are yapping. Unlike your useless comment, rancid's putting it out there that its a design flaw, not a user error.
I'd say I beg to differ, but then again... I wouldn't beg to the likes of you to begin with. Let's just say I think you'd be disappointed at how wrong you are. Yet here you are... yapping on regardless. @@usernamerandumb
Damn!
The Hulk owns so many 4090s!
owns?
"You cannot buy it from stores...unless your store has it."
Never lose that dry humour my friend!
I was worried I wasn't going to get my complementary UV-light suntan this video lol. hope you have a lovely day this day.
Hello, in my country (Czech repubic) we say "jeden po druhem" and it means "one by one" !
Keep doing great job, watching your repairs always with pleasure :)
This stupid connector is the reason I bought an AMD card. Screw this crap man. I'm surprised there isn't a class A lawsuit against pci-sig already
Same for me. I'm not messing with this poorly engineered rubbish.
Or you just buy a Geforce RTX 4070ti. This problem is almost exclusive to the 4090s. Fuck AMD!
@@joestock732 You would be surprised in how good the AMD adrenaline software really is. And I have 0 issues in linux unlike with nvidia. I don't know, 4070 ti is kind of end of life as well. Super model with 16GB of VRAM replaced it
@@joestock732 I'm not giving nvidia another penny.
That's the card with only 12 Gig VRam, already not enough for the latest AAA games. Good luck with that going forward.@@joestock732
Its not just the force to push the connector in its also possibly the pressure from the cable as its tightly folded to shut the pc case door.
The cablemod adapter was supposed to solve that problem. And we know how that turned out after 2 versions.
Always enjoy watching your repair videos, very informative, its funny, I just had this happen to me maybe 2 weeks ago, both broken & melted connector on my 4090 FE, currently waiting on my replacement connector to arrive
Do you know what you're doing with the right equipment, or are we going to see your card on the channel 😂
2:00 Yeah, was my exact thought when I saw the mangled connection. Bloody connector was a fairly big reason I went amd this generation. Hopefully things will be better for next gen.
Dr alex pleasure meeting you .
Great fun as always, you do a fabulous job. I’m officially addicted to soldering again
Thank you for the entertaining videos! I would love to see what the correct way is to use a solder sucker (Believe it or not), since every time I have used it, there always seem to be some solder left in the hole (Usually blocking the hole). Then again, might be because of not using low melt 😉
That is a lot of 4090's and all with similar issues. The Phrase One by One in Spanish is Uno Por Uno.
one by one --> "uno por uno" when doing maths, but "one by one" like "one after the other" is "uno a uno", e.g. soldar las patas del conector una a una.
When Hardware has burned, melted an/or bend connectors, it's not on the user, it's on the Company.
There is an infamous hardware youtuber, Flexus Gaming, who still pretends that 4090 issues connector is not an Nvidia design problem, it is user error in his Nvidia vision.
@@dsirius1500 just like gamers nexus lol
@@blunaa943
Of course they are on Nvidia budget long time ago.
bending is user error!
@@stormrider01 ofc but if you manage to do that, I don't wanna see what else suffers in your every day life.
Another great repair video! Phrase "one by one" in Bosnian is "jedan po jedan".
استاذنا الكبير حسين يسعدك ربي أنا متابعك من زمان واستفدت كتير من فديوهاتك بتمنى بس تنزل عالبنان تزورنا بسوريا بلدك الثاني❤❤❤
Still would like to know if it's possible to directly solder the (12vhpwr to 4x 8 pin adaptor) directly to the board by cutting the 12vhpwr connector off? Wouldn't this solve the issue as it will have 4x 8 pin connectors directly attached to the card getting rid of that silly connector completely?
This is real entertainment and I learn so much and laugh a lot thanks Alex please don't stop making these videos all the way from South Africa
In answer to your question Alex, "One by one" in Spanish is "Uno por uno" :) - Loving the videos lately! You´re videos have put me off 4090´s though, haha, not the fact that they can´t be repaired but the fact that there are soooo many that have issues... - Keep up the great videos!
My boss was a Lebanese. His name was Hans, I thought he was a German with that name, until he told me. He was a very nice boss. One time he took us to a Lebanese restaurant in SF and it was awesome. Especially their meat dish. I wish I remembered where it was. It was a long time ago and would love to visit back.
Any chance you could talk a little more about your air and soldering setup/airflow/temps when you’re working on repairs? I’m interested in understanding the different setups as it relates to these thick boards versus boards with less layers and such.
In my country "one by one" is " uno por uno" Spanish language!!
Shukran!!
The right-angle ATX 20/24pin connectors sometimes made me feel uneasy as well, but at least with those the connector is not surrounded by a shroud so you can support it with your fingers and squeeze the plug and connector together. And if you break anything at least it's visible. I wonder why they don't have large connectors use plugs that are split into smaller blocks in order to avoid the pressure from having to mate all the pins at once. It was something I always appreciated about the AT power connector being split into two.
Very true, but in honesty, back in the day I had an Abit IC7Max board with a 90 degree ATXPWR connector and it gave no problems and run it for many years, it also made cabling tidier but I was Just as concerned when I 1st plugged it in and took extra care but you could just about grasp both the plug and the connector and squeeze them together if you didnt cut your nails too short :/ but as the pins were also exposed because of its orientation I covered the exposed pins on the topside of the board with insulation tape as they looked like they were an invitation or something bad to happen.
ياحجي اذا نزل عل سوريا يعفطوه جماعة ابو حيدر جوية وبعدها بحياتوا ما راح يمسك كاوي 😂😂😂
بارك الله فيك. نتعلم منك الكثير May Allah bless you. I learn a lot from you.
The problem is the big lever by having the small pins at the bottom and the bigger ones at the top. It's a smart idea of Asus to put the connector upside down (kinda), to combine the generally stronger support of the bigger pins with a shorter lever arm.
Maybe putting a drop of some strong, sticky adhesive under the connector will give a bit more support so it doesn't start moving?
I learn something new everyday!!❤
Always I benefits from this teaching's ❤ Mr Alex
very impressive soldering, can i ask how and why you got into it, thanks again
I would cut down the plug from the modular PSU and solder the wires straight on the board cancelling the connector. Card still can be disconnected at PSU side and always goes together with the wire. At this point I would likely not pursue refurb/restore path and would go with fix/repair.
For anyone visiting LA, there are many wonderful authentic Lebanese food spots. Great food - and Great People!
"En ad gangen" in Danish. Way back I used to work for Middle East Airlines🎄 MEA in Beirut, (after the civil war)😏. I actually learned French there because everyone spoke French as a second language.
Do we know if this problem is related to a specific batch of the 4090fe? maybe fault batch of connectors? are those cards using what revision of the connectors? i got mine on the first batch and haven't have this kind of problems, i had connected at least 10 times (changing case, cable etc..) and everything looks still firm
I have the 4090 FE, how can I check if mine is bent/damaged with disassembly? I’m not having any issues with power delivery or black screens, should I leave it alone?
Is a low melt solder a special formula or just another name for 60/40 lead solder?
I am not surprised at all that this happens. I got today my Gainward 4070 Super and i couldn't believe how hard you have to push the connector to get it fully seated. I had to remove the GPU from my computer and keep it sideways on the edge of the table, and then push the cable in. And you have to do this weird jerkin motion side to side because it wont go when pushing directly.
I watched multiple videos where people just gently pushed the connector to the place and it made click sound, but this was something else.
تحية لك من السعودية تقريبا تابعت كل فيديوهات القناة ومفيدة جدا واتمنى من كل قلبي تنصلح الأحوال في لبنان
That connector isn't designed to handle that mechanical stress. Since you're usually in an awkward position when plugging it in, all the counter force comes from those soldered-on pins. Maybe a kind of crimping tool to hold onto the plastic and the connector could solve this installation problem.
due to these issues which indicate to me it's a case of poor quality components/materials I'm wondering whether it would be worth just coming to somebody like yourself to have the connector replaced and reinforced prior to using the card? I'm thinking of buying one of these but I would rather spend a bit more and have somebody like you improve the product before I have a problem. How would you advise me to proceed?
i recently got an asus 4090 tuff gpu for a new build. i put a little permatex dielectric grease on the connector and in slid right into the card and latch snapped into place. i have had to unplug it a few times because i am still getting the pc just like i want it but, i have had no issues with the connector so far. and i have run a stress test on the card that pulled the 600 watts(according to msi afterburner) several times. don't know that it won't have problems before i finsh watching this video but, so far, it had been perfect and i recommend the dielelectric grease.
I have a feeling we are still going to be doing 4090's in the next video too.
I hope my 4080 Super will not burn in the future. I inserted the connector before putting it in on my motherboard outside the case so i have a perfect view if the connector is fully seated and if i do no bend anything. I think it's a bit of both, user error but also manufacturers error. The connectors on the Asus cards need a lot of power to insert. Way more i felt comfterble with. I had a 4070 TI S from then and got the 4080 S at msrp so changed it. Both needed a lot of force. And initially i really thought it was fully seated. I even heard it click.
But when looking at it i saw it was not fully in, so applied more force and finnaly it was in all the way. I can imagine this is hard for many people to feel/see oudside the case, and even more so inside the case.
So that's why it is a manufacturers problem. However i do believe at least half or more of the burned or bent connectors could have been avoided. But i believe the connector should be different and better so this does no happen so fast. There is a small red led on top of my GPU and when it's not inserted all the way it will light up. So i check it every day to see if something might go wrong.
Hope they do change it to a spec that is more user friendly.
I think that you can use dielectric grease on the connector to aide in inserting without damaging .
That’s just brutal quality and yes………a class action lawsuit is in order. Same can be said for Samsung’s 2Tb 980 Pro Nvme.
Feel like this indicates more about the owner manhandling the connector than the connector itself...
Bad design, obviously people are pushing those things in extra hard to make sure its in all the way to avoid the socket melting - maybe old school tech is best, for example a new socket with a captive screw terminal each side like the old serial and parallel ports used to have would eliminate those 2 problems.
In these days design engineers are more likely not able to make a product with no problems… and it is always end user fault of course 😂
Will the user have the same issue as before with the new connectors? Won't they just bend again or perhaps the new ones fit better so the used doesn't have to push as hard to connect
I own a 4090 FE. Can't wait for this issue to arise for me
Can you use dielectric grease on the connector to reduce friction when plugging it in?? Maybe help to reduce stress on the pins.
Then the connector will be greased, become unseated, and melt.
12VHPWR is a total failure on all counts. If only they had used well known standard connectors such as XT60 or XT90 instead. And even XT60 with 2 pins is rated for higher power than 12VHPWR!
It seems like gluing the connector to the board would help that. Possibly not enough, but it should help.
I almost heard " WakaWaka " as in Fuzzy Bear but rewound the video and heard it right the second time 😄
On my 4070S, the male Nvidia adapter was oversized and wouldn't fit. I applied a large amount of force and it simply would not go in. I could easily have broken the connector this way as well.
The resolution was buying a 12vhpwr cable from Corsair, which fit perfectly.
So, Nvidia is shipping defective cables is my main takeaway, potentially leading to "user error" and connector failures.
I wonder, do you ever use oscilloscope when you repairing stuff?
What should be the temperature of the hot ar gun when touching the uv light
People pushing too hard, as that was the advice to stop burning the house down. Shaking my head in shame of this human race. And yet the price keeps going up.
I start to think, maybe we need tool like torque wrench to install a power cable 😆
Each graphic card manufacture provide an information how much force applied to install it, like installing bolt on vehicle with specific torque.
what a hassle these 4090 fixes are.
It’s called “Founders Edition” because you will found a cracked board or burned connector.
does pcbway offer photochemical machining?
10:03 "one by one"
"enega po enega" - Slovenian
"jedan po jedan" - Serbian
I have 4080 FE and this video makes me want to ask. Is 4080 or, rather, any other card can potentially have the same problem with the connector? I'm asking this because I've seen a lot of connector repair on 4090 but not on any other GPU.
which way to go? somewhere on the left or right lol not so much force and add some wiggle. these cards need to come with a piece of paper notice apparently of all the issues. like dont transport your computer with the video card inside and you must use supplied support bracket, insert all the way in with as little force as possible. and maybe dont run your card at 600 watts lol
I have the H++ connector on my 4090 strix. It should be fine correct?
With those better than factory solder joints.. I wonder how many were affected by the reflecting UV rays.....? 😂
Curiosity killed the cat but satisfaction brought him back.
Better than factory! My Walmart sells 99% IPA. Not sure if all of them do.
Lebanon? Really cool. I did not know. English is a second language for me.
Comment est ton français malgré seulement quelques cours?
the problem is with those 12 pins 12vhpwr sockets/plugs nvidia is using is a regular quality ones. typical copper you can find pretty much in any other PC motherboards pins. while in nvidia RTX 4090, those mere 12 pins must serve 4 rails that have theoritical power throughput up to 600 watts. those 12 pins 12vhpwr deals with way too many watts going through it. nvidia should at least use higher quality conductor materials for the socket pins and the 12vhpwr plug, such as those OXYGEN-FREE copper conductors. which more stable temp wise in high wattage. at least for the top tier cards that supposed to operate over 400 watts. or just use silver pins for the socket and the plug. expensive product should come in expensive materials too.
Why couldn't they simply use XT60PW connector for power? It can do 60A and is well tested with drones!
In germany we say "Eins nach dem Anderen" which often gets shortened by various accents, for me it's "Eens after den And'ren" (low standard german, which basically is a mutation of dutch, english and german).
About those connectors: every video where you repair a 12VHPWR connector is a confirmation for me: the connector itself is not ripe for end customers and we are (again) beeing used as alpha-/beta- testers for a product, that could've used more time to ripen. I also would've preffered a connector that is closer to an 8-pin ATX EPS connector...
I love this guy's videos ❤
Its a designer problem and user problem ,because the connector is not strong enough to hold the pressure and because the user press the male connector without supporting the female connector with other finger it's easy to understand
Alex, Great Video - RUclips guy pretending to be you on RUclips Northwestrepair -no clue -
northridge fix Alex Your fantastic
I have a day 1 4090 FE and changed the cable x times. No problems.
Question:
Why is this happening to 4090 Founder's Edition, but not 3090 FE's? Isn't the same connector used, besides the sense pins?
So is this a 4090 problem or goes for any other 40 series cards?
I can get 99% isopropyl alcohol from my local CVS, is it just a SoCal thing where you cant find it in stores?
Turn around and confront the enemy, otherwise they will keep coming back. Choose your battles wisely! That connector needs more than the solder joints to secure it to the board. This is a design flaw.
Its crazy how many 4090s he has saved and revived.
How many 7900XTX's do you see in the shop?
They went through the red sea on dry ground!
I always knew you were Arab, not because your accent but the way you word your sentences and your sarcasm haha. احنا الإماراتيين نحب اهل لبنان ❤
have u fixed gpus like 4080 or 4070 / 4070 ti with similar problem, there was one other youtuber that i watched few times and he also just would show 4090
I think people need to start sueing Nivdia for the connectior and have them issue a mass recall of it and have them replaced with new ones with 8pin connectors.
If the enemy is behind and the ocean in front the samurai takes the time to enjoy the last strawberries.
I'm glad the newest games I play are 5-10 years old. I just fix my old stuff with other peoples old stuff that they're upgrading (to the stuff I see on this channel) for next to free. A Radeon RX 590, x299 motherboard, and an i9 9960x is the Ultimate machine for my purposes, and my parts just keep getting cheaper.
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Yet another video demonstrating bad design on founder's edition video cards. Hope OEMs will observe and listen to keep up their reputations.. Good work Alex!! Bravo!
Is there any better connectors maybe for it to avoid this shit happend again? Exsample when i last time repaired asus tuff power connector what are totally shit i changed whole thing to better one and no issues, it burned 2 chargers before this, ok chargers are bad aswell but now all goo. laptop is 2 years old, nowadays all electornics are are bad quality sadly.
How much to you charge to fix the 4090 connector?
If you own or want to get a 4090. Do not use the cable that comes with it.
Get a 12vpwr cable from your PSU manufacturer. It clicks into place and goes all the way in.
The cable that gets supplied is horrendous,its a bulky spaghetti mess and it doesn't click or seat right.
The video cards need a connector that has strong mounting ears that use strong fasteners to secure the connector physically to the board.
Still don't understand why they didn't go with a connector like EPS thats used for the CPU power.
Thats user error i use that connector with a 3090 founders and a 4070 super and you dont force the connector in but wiggle it slightly in
hey what microphone is that ?
"User Error" with these cards has collapsed under the weight of all the heavy lifting it has to do.
I'm assuming when Alex mentions a customer with multiple cards that customer is Cablemod. They do seem to sell their refurbished 40 series cards in batches sorted by brand but could be wrong the customer here is them. I still wish we'd get some form of statement, be it official from CableMod or a unofficial opinion as what made CableMod's connector so different from all the rest that caused it to be such a high % of the melted connector. Of course part of that is based on they likely had the highest sales for any of the angled adapters but you rarely, if ever see reports of the others. Not sure I've ever seen a report of the Corsair adaper melting or the Bykski (branded as FormulaMod) having issues. Not saying it's Cablemod's fault as it's clearly a connector design problem but it's obvious that the design CableMod did interacted with that bad design more negatively that the others.
I thought you were from Syria, almost got it right. Great work by the way keep it up.
Some say he is the white emir from Syria, other say he is Niko Bellic
TBH to me it's sound strange all these problems. I have a RTX4090FE with HK V waterblock powerd by a SeaSonic Vertex and I haven't any issue to plug in the power cord and check if it was fully inserted. I didn't even need to put too much pressure to get the connector fully seated. I know the 12VHPWR isn't good but to do this type of damages you have to be an animal 🤷♂