Is the Celestion Redback any good? Demo and Vintage 30 Shootout
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- I take the Celestion Redback for a spin to try and find out if the 150w handling beast can hang with the good old Vintage 30.
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Time stamps:
00:37 Intro
02:02 Setup
03:15 Playthrough: Redback vs Vintage 30
16:14 Final Thoughts
Signal chain:
2009 Gibson SG Special Raw Power with Seymour Duncan Black Winter bridge and Pearly Gates neck
2010 Gibson SG Special with Dimarzio Titans
EVH 5150 III 50w
Marshall 1960 AV
Celestion Redback & Vintage 30s from the year 2000 (both 8 Ohms)
Shure SM57s
Rupert Neve 511 500 series preamp modules
Audient ID24 mkII converters
Reaper
RUclips
Your crappy phone speaker
your ears
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Loving all the speaker shootout suggestions you're all making, guys!
I can't afford them all so do me a favour and spam Celestion, Eminence and all the other manufacturers that you'd like to see that! Maybe that could grease the wheels a bit!
I'll send Celestion your video. They should appreciate it :)
And I appreciate that
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne to be fair... he did... :)
@@CelestionUK I can't believed that worked!
Just took delivery of one of your Alnico Creams!
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Hope you like it!
I'm terribly surprised that after how much work you put into your channel and how good the comparisons you prepare you still don't have more subs. I know it's a tired slogan, but it's the first time I'm using it, for real - you just deserve that man
Thank you! That really does mean a lot to me. I'm very happy to read that.
It'll grow over time!
Much prefer the Redbacks compared to the V30s in this video, it’s definitely my favorite speaker, they replaced the K100s in my Diezel 2x12.
Great choice!
My friend had a zilla fat baby with a red back in. I made an ir pack of it and it's my go to as a blend with my vintage 30 pack. Great speaker.
Zilla do great work! Love by Fatboy cab
Thanks for doing all the speaker comparisons I don't have the time and cash to do! The Redback sounds nice and full - a good contrast to the focused V30. Great video as always.
Thanks, man!
17:50 holy crap. do i see a person being themselves, on youtube? i never thought i would see the day...lol.
love the vids. especially the somewhat dry humor.
We would love if you could make a tier list or ranking with every speaker you try, and maybe talk/specify use cases for each of them, good blending couples... I'd really appreciate
I have a solid state peavey amp that is a wedge shape like a monitor. It is 160 watts so it can crush most speakers. It's an open back design and is essentially the same distortion circuit as a bandit. I use it for the center sometimes in a wet dry wet system and I'm really considering the red back for it's power handling.
The Redbacks and V30s blend so well. Amazing in a 412!!
V30s really work well in a band context.
Agree!
Embracing the awkwardness, hell yeah 😂 love it that you don't take yourself too serious mate! Great comparison!
Haha! Fair play for watching all the way to the end
Got this one paired with a 15" Fullback in an oversized vertical 2x12/15, its awesome!
I also tried it in an Orange ppc112 to mix it with my V30 ppc112; both combinations sound great
I need a cab that takes 15" speakers
I'd love to try a Fullback, 12" greenback and 10" greenback combo if it's possible to make work...
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Lol, you do! I know Friedman made a 4x12/15 cab, but I made the 2x12/15 myself to facilitate the Fullback.
A blending of the two speakers seems like that would be amazing!!
They both sound great, honestly. It just depends on which one YOU prefer is the thing......
Great review! These redbacks sound a lot better than i was expecting, very balanced. Thanks as always for the free IRs, now do G12M greenbacks :)
The Redbacks is like a friend that is nice, often too nice. Feels like they do better the less busy a mix is.
Redback is my favourite speaker ever. Currently, I have it in a 2x12 combined with a Swamp Thang and it rips
I need to finally get a Swamp Thang
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Want mine? It’s currently sitting with a Man O War. Barely used.
@@justincorrigible Maybe? Can you message me via Email or Instagram?
Bareback did a comparison video that included a Red Back. After hearing the youtube audio from both you guys, I like the Red Back very much. That is coming from an Eminence fan boy. Thank you very much. I appreciate your work.
Thanks, Robert!
That Redback has some deep end. Definity has more of base centered frequency range. Probably would work good for some Nu-Metal / Death Metal / Etc.
Love your speaker videos. At first I was digging the V30 because of familiarity, but that Redback really rocks.
Great mix together? Amazing 412 blend.
Really like how these sound with the Redback panned hard left and the V30 panned hard right.
The two blended together sounds good. I’m going to try that.
They remind me the K100s, nice trebles and articulation, great bass but a bit hard to move. Great companion for a V30 for sure.
great comparison - I think I liked the redback a bit more on its own. It seems they would be are good compliments to each other when you mixed them
The Redbacks are really underrated speakers. Not my favorites, but probably some of the best sounding 100+ watt speakers out there.
Redback sounds cool! I have one of these that I'm planning on putting in my Barefaced Reformer when I find the time. I have a mesa spec vintage 30 in there now that sounds great but I want to try the redback just to see how it compares. Thanks for the video!
Both sound great and have a different sound profile. As always, great comparison!
Thank you
The redback definitely has a similar lower mid characteristic going on that all the g12h speakers have to varying degrees.
That bump at 6k really keeps a lot of bite to the sound without sounding harsh.
I've been looking for a higher powered g12h style speaker to pair with a v30 in a 2x12 and the redback definitely seems like it could be what I'm looking for (the creamback H always sounds too harsh in the high end for my liking).
Another speaker that I've been eyeing up is the WGS Reaper HP, I'd love to hear how that compares. (The Jensen Nighthawk also piqued my interest, I look forward to your vid on that one)
i have been curious about the redback for a LONG time, vs a vintage 30. i have been wanting a redback for a specific combo amp i have. this comparison helps me decide on getting it instead of a creamback. really, the creamback is too low if a wattage for that combo amp, (its a 75w solid state amp and the creamback is 75w, but you always want to go higher wattage speaker to be safe).
i have a vintage 30 1x12 now and i use it for all my little mini amp heads (i have many). i really like it... that being said, because i went down the rabbit hole of different speakers other than stock ones that come included, like the vintage 30 and like it so much, i decided i wanted to replace some of the stock speakers in the couple of combo amps i have. one of which, i hate to say it, is a line 6 spider iii 75w combo (ive had it for YEARS) and even tho i would like to try a 75w creamback in it, the wattage is equal to the amp itself. i like to get a speaker that is rated for more than, or equal to the amp rating...
so, now that i know what the redback actually sounds like vs a vintage 30 that i have, it makes it easy to go ahead and spend the money i dont have, on a redback for that amp. lol
Awesome! I'm happy I could help you at like that
I would love to hear a shootout between your 2000s redback and a new one
Ah. I guess I need to change the wording in the description. Only the V30 is from 2000. The Redback is fairly new
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Oh, thank you for clarifying!
The redback sounds great! Weirdly I think it would compliment the v30 in a mixed cab. A royer or 160 would sound great on the redback too!
The redbacks sound pretty good. they kind of remind me of the peavey sheffield 1230/1290 Turbo (the ones with extremely heavy magnets, wide frequency range, and could take about 150 watts per individual speaker)
You're not alone there. Another viewer made a similar comment regarding Sheffields
Sounds very good and like you said, smooth. I tend to like very bright speakers but I like this a lot. Cheers!
I feel the same way
Uncle Fester, haven't seen that guy in a minute. (Working for Celestion by any chance or is this just coincidence?)
Anyhow - this one falls squarely in the category where I prefer the mix of both - but I really like what the Redback adds to the mix!
Cheers for the ever-expanding palate!
(And a hell yeah to embracing the awkwardness!)
Haha! Props for watching to the end. No affiliation with Celestion... yet
I'd be really interested in seeing you shootout the copperback with these two and a LCFR.
The Copperback is no match. I think Zilla made a comparison video where they included a CB, and it just couldn’t follow.
Definitely my favorite speaker and actually have it paired with a WGS Reaper HP right now and sounds great! Going to pair it with a Creamback 75 soon tho
Cool! I need to try more WGS speakers
I've been considering those Redbacks for a 1x12 set up. My back can't carry around a 4x12 cab anymore....
The redback is a little bassier and tamed high end compared to a V30, because usually you run 2 or 4 V30s together which couples them and fills out their low end. The redback is designed to sound good solo in a 112 so they added the fullness it would be missing without other coupled speakers.
He says, ‘Uncle Fester’.
That is hilarious!
I’m a new sub, ‘The Other John’.
🖖✨
Glad you enjoyed that! Happy to have you here!
you should do a short of comparing them in mix
I found these days, everything you've put against the V30 sounds better. Unless they're in a mix, the V30 sound raspy (even in the sweet spot). Great work dude!. And I love the awkward outro's just to see how things go. But I'm weird, so...
Huge difference between speakers! Probably sounds pretty good in the room with speakers in that cab
It did to me
You're doing a great job Browne!
I loved the end.
Also, the guitar faces are on-point.
I liked the Redback in isolation, but it might get lost in a band, although that 150 watts sure could help in that regard.
Thinking of high watt speakers, Have you ever had a chance to check out an EVM 12L? Would love to know your thoughts on it.
I have one I got out of an old Mesa Mk-III, and I think it pairs really well with a greenback.
I just looked up what they cost new ... oh my.
Cheers, man!
Guitar faces for the win!😁
EV speakers have always eluded me. Never tried one myself but I really want to change that!
Think i preferred the redback in this comparison, my man
I think a comparison between Redback and Jensen Stealth 65 will be a good idea. I currently use the Stealth 65 with my Traynor YCS100H2 to tame its ridiculously bright and screechy upper mids and highs and to compensate for its complete lack of mid-range.
I think Redback will sound right with it but I am not sure whether it will be able to compensate for the complete lack of mid-range of the YCS100H2.
For those who are wondering how badly scooped the mid-range of the YCS100H2 is, well, even a Triple Rectifier has more mid-range than the YCS100H2.
I really like both, I have the red back in a 1x12. and v30s in 2x12s. Its crazy how. much more scooped the redback sounds here, but I think hey blend really well together. It really comes down to taste I guess. Great comparison as usual. Can you do a cream back M. vs. greenback comp? Maybe. G12M25 Greenback vs G12EVH Greenback vs G12M65 Creamback? Would. be fun.
A Celestion NEO 250 Copperback would also be interesting 😊
Never tried that one. I'm curious about it though
Without me hearing the comparison in person it sounds like they tried to roll off the gnarly components in the high end,which I've never liked about the v30. My fave has always been the g12m70. I might give the reds a try.
Redback incredibly sounds like sheffields!!!
I'm genuinely amazed-bravo!
the ending xD man stared deep into my soul through the screen.
not sure wether you've spoken about this in your great V30 shootout (the video is long and my attention span is short) but have you noticed a large difference in powerhandling of the speakers of different make years? i sold my straight marshall silver jubilee 4x12 cab to the other guitarist in my band, and later bought a slanted A variant of the 1960V cab, and i noticed that i have to turn the amps i use up more with that one than i had to with the jubilee cab, to get the same perceived loudness, despite the 2 top speakers boing pointed more towards my face than with the straight jubilee one. both equipped with V30s but the 1960AV seems to be older than the Jubilee, i bought the 1960AV second hand from a guy who said he bought it about 10 years ago new.
Haha! Glad you liked it.
Honestly, I have not noticed any great differences in sensitivity between the speakers. The only exception being the black frame V30s. The ones I had were noticeably more efficient than all the others
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne thanks again for your efforts, and for answering.
You should check out the celestion sidewinder. It's also 150 watt speaker from the 80's. If you do just make sure you get the guitar speaker because they made a bass speaker too.
Thanks for the heads up! I did not know there were two variants! I'll keep my eyes open for one
Some of the worst speaker ever made, why on earth should he bother with that one?!
I liking the redback. I have v 30s
Hey, Uncle Fester. Celestion G12H30 55hz (heritage) from Marshall MR1960AHW, next? :) I would love to hear/listen to your riffs comparing them to v30.
I'd love to try that one. I only have a G12H30 70th Anniversary here at the moment which I think is a hidden gem speaker
Wow, actually I really liked redback in your video , didn’t find it all that bright. Call me crazy it’s reminded me Governor a bit. Less bright and more of that brilliance and open mids.
Btw SG with dimarzio Titan sounded really cool, I have titans in on of my guitars, they are one of my favorites pickups (along with dimarzio illuminator and Transition), however I find Titans to be little picky with guitars. I hated them in one guitar and really loved in another.
I hear good things about the Transitions too
speakers are really just what your ears are used to hearing at the time. They all sound different when you change speakers. You might think one sounds better... then you get used to the "bad" one and it sounds good, then you go back to the "good one" and it sounds bad.
hopefully, youl get the chance to compare a seventy 80 vs a vintage 30. i hate the seventy 80. that being said, a redback vs vintage 30 vs seventy 80 would be the perfect video for me to consume. one of my amps (75w amp)has a seventy 80 in it. i have a vintage 30 1x12 cab. i want to try a redback in that 75w amp, but having a vintage 30 vs seventy 80 vs redback vid would make it so i can compare it to what i do have, what is in the 75w combo amp and what i want to try in that combo amp. idk how to explain hoiw perfect of a vid it would be for me.
your vids are epic. i came here expecting less quality due to the lower sub count, but your vids are always top notch and you should be a big channel. its just hard to "break out", so to speak since youtube is so big and there are so many other channels. your vids are better than most of the bigger channels' are, which surprised me when i saw the sub count. your channel should be big and i hope it gets as large as you want it to be and that you get what you want out of the whole process as well. thank you for your vids. they are GREATLY helpful
Thanks, man! I really appreciate the comment. This year, the channel has been growing nicely and I'm enjoying it a lot. I hope the trend continues. The audience is great and I'd rather have an organically grown audience of awesome people than 50k subs over night.
I've been looking at seventy 80 speakers on the used market and it seems people can't give them away. Lol. I may have to get one just to see if it really is as bad as its reputation
I love your attitude John!, really like that 50k comment. I could tell after a couple of your videos that this guy is genuine and has a great sense of humor. Love your speaker comparisons, keep up the great work, your doing awesome.
Supposedly the V30 was intended to be a high wattage Alnico Blue. Given that, it would be cool to compare the two some day. After all, IRs dont care about power handling.
That's true! I'd be interested in trying one. The price of Alnico speakers is a bit of a deterrent but I have an Alnico Cream on the way at the moment
@TheOtherJohnBrowne Zilla has some videos comparing the WGS Invader 50 to lots of others including V30, V Type, and Alnico Blue. I think Invader 50 sounds amazingly like a high wattage version of the Blue; much moreso than the V30 or V Type.
Yes it’s amazing
I like the Redback on its own, but wonder how it would fare in a full mix. The V30 has a "wider bite" in the treble and I think the redback might end up sounding thinner in a band context.
I agree with you... and just remembered I owe you some noise gate measurement data. Mea culpa, buddy!
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne oh yes, please send that! I'd also like to see you add a mix context section to these shootouts. That's the only thing missing in your very thorough process here!
I may have to get back into that. I'm a little rusty for sure
I really like the red back. I have totally forgotten about those. I dont even think i have a pair. Thanks for bringing it up. Have you tried the Randall jaguar? If so, what do you think about them? I really like them, but it seems to have mixed reviews. Great video, dig the riffing man.
Thank you!
I have not tried Randall Jaguars yet. Are they still in production?
@TheOtherJohnBrowne no I don't believe so. I have a handful of older Randall cabs that came with them a long time ago. Late 80s to maybe mid-90s, not really sure . The story is Eminence made them for Randall, and they are closer to Eminence black powder speakers. I don't know if it's true or not, I just like them. I bought those cabs in the early 2000s.
The Redback is a bit more tame at Vintage 30 volumes. What happens when you push V30 at Redback volumes?
liked redback
If it can hang with the V30..?! It absolutely annihilated the V30!
Big brain
Be cool to do one speaker and shit load of different cabs.
Yes!
Uncle Fester 🤣
Is the Redback the same speaker of Celestion G12B-150?
The Redback is the G12H-150. Never heard of a G12B anything
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne The G12B-150 comes in the Marshall 1912 1x12 cab. Some people in Internet says it is predecessor or sucessor of the Redback, some people says they're essentially the same speaker etc. I have the Marshall 1912 cab with the G12B-150, it has a big low end sound just like the Redback, so Ive been always curious about it. The G12B-150 doesnt appear in the Celestion website either. Btw, you're sounding great with v30 and/or Redback. Thanks, mate.
Oh! Cool! I did not know that. Thank you. It's entirely possible that it is the same speaker but with a Marshall label. I'll have to try and get a hold of a 1912 cab.
Also, thanks for the kind words
what kind of mic stands are those?
Gravity MS CAB 01 CL
John, how do you go about making your IRs?
That'd be a long answer. What do you want to know specifically?
Maybe a video idea? I've making my own, but I noticed mine are alittle on the quiet side and are really shrill, even for 16 ohm speakers. So I was curious how you typically do yours for your comparison videos to see what I'm doing differently. If it's why too long of an explanation, no worries! I'm doing it to do side by side comparisions of the speakers I have and some of the ones you've already done.
🙂🙂😀😀
Is it just me, or does the red back make me think it’s much more like a t75?
Hmm... doesn't strike me as very T75ish but I haven't played a modern T75 in over a decade
All review videos need to have space between the sounds, otherwise the following sound will almost always sound worse or more-jarring than the previous sound due to the sudden difference. 10 or 15 seconds in between helps reset the ears.
I couldn’t disagree more.
It's gapless by design. If I leave 10 to 15 seconds of space in between, I'll not be able to hear the differences as well. I never found that helpful in demos.
I do appreciate your input though
@@moonelfcosmo That's fine, but it makes a big difference in perception.
@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Yea, the difference is magnified when gapless. And this makes the perception seem like the second sound ruins the first sound
It's a150 watt V30 seriously