OK guys I own about 12 new sleds from both skidoo and Polaris. I can tell you the real deal on this S4. It’s a great running sled for speeds between 20 and 60 mph on smooth trails. Top speed is about 75. The fuel economy is only about 14 mpg. The throttle by wire works real well, way better than ski doo. It starts a bit hard - a decent amount of cranking at each start. I generally ride in standard mode because sport mode tends to be a little jerky.
I'd love to try one.My wife and i made the switch to 900ace Skidoo sleds in 2017.Now over 21,000kms later,no regrets.Smooth,durable,no oil,no fumes,excellent trail performance. 300kms on a tank of fuel ,I could go on and on.This Indy with the S4 is a winner in my books.I look forward to trying one!! Thing looks amazing and the handling I bet be top notch
Okay, I was really interested until I saw the price. Skidoo has an established 4 stroke with a proved reputation and Polaris shows up at about $1k MORE? Sorry, but it has to be said. Polaris' recent quality and recall issues are the reason I wasn't even looking at them to begin with. And now they are $1k more than a Skidoo which has a very good rep for build quality and durability? This is crazy. Yes, the Skidoo is also overpriced, btw. But overpriced by $1k less.
A Twin Cylinder 4 stroke that gets good MPG but weighs more and costs more than a Skidoo .. Skidoo's are known to collapse . They are a built too light actually .. How do they change the Clutch engagement RPM's? I have been saying for years that my 4 Cylinder Yamaha APEX could get way better mpg if you could change the clutch engagement between Economy and performance settings on the fly ..
60 pounds weight difference would have been totally overlooked if they would have jumped the horsepower up to 120 ! The twin Suzuki motor cat had before yamaha arrived on the scene was a perfect example! 123 hp
If anyone buys that poo over a 3 cylinder Yamaha has to be nuts. The Suzuki 1100 would smoke that turd. Still own a 1100 Suzuki Z1 turbo i love it. I have few sleds Most the time i sell my sleds when i buy a new one. But have a soft spot in my heart for the Z1. With 4 maps to choose from 180-280+ hp I’ll probably keep forever. 13 years old it weighs less than this new Polaris does lol!! But back in the day it was called heavy and it is but with big HP makes up for it.
@@joshgessinger4509yes. I feel like if they put a turbo on it, it’d work better for sure. Same with the 1100 non turbo they’re not the most powerful engine. But they work better than the popo
@@braydenlewis7438 definitely with a turbo be a fun sled. would also be heavier yet though and wouldn’t make competitive power against the Yamaha or be as lite. All depends on what the turbo would sell for i guess. If they could keep price down from a Yamaha or cat might be a good deal. The Suzuki 1100 was fast in the spar chassis 100mph plus also felt torquey But in the pro cross it wasn’t as fast for some reason it was 123 hp in both chassis. Spar must of been less friction maybe less wind resistance. I saw the same with the F6 in spar owned 2 105 mph stock clutching. The 3 ZR 6000r XC sleds i owned and raced wouldn’t hit 100mph. My 15 went 96mph 16 went 93mph 17 90mph really slow and disappointing. The C tech felt way more powerful than F6 did though made more torque but around same HP i guess. Maybe the polaris chassis is better for top end the pro star will go 100mph but i doubt it. Probably a good reliable sled good mileage but for the money id rather have a 650 or even a 850. That and ur talking 100 ponds more weight might handle and ride good but the 2 stokes will be better no brainer what id buy. If i was going to buy a NA 4 stroke the yamaha 3 cylinder blows the competition away Ski doo has some good 4 strokes specially with turbo. Idk just think Polaris could of done a better Job with releasing a 4 stroke thats all. Not bashing polaris good sleds but in the 4 stroke segment my opinion theres better ones to choose from.
Got a Indy adventure 137 s4 for my wife recently Pros; very quiet, forgiving ride, different throttle modes, fly by wire works excellent, has some surprisingly decent 20-45 mph pull in the trails, linear power curve with no surprises, no cold smoke or 2 stroke oil needed. Cons; no pull start, it’s very heavy ( although as stated it doesn’t feel too bad when riding but if u need to tug it around or tip it up it’s crazy heavy )exhaust note when riding is lame, it’s not what I would call a “fun” sled, F-N-R shifting is just as clunky and crappy as my rzr is, fuel mileage isn’t what I was hoping for and I’d say honestly say a 650 2 stroke probably gets better mpg.
I think Polaris is making a huge mistake not getting a high horsepower 4 stroke in the Titan. The Skidoo Expedition models have really taken off with a wide variety of engines available and I wouldn't doubt that the high hp options are the best sellers.
I laugh when people talk about Yamaha's as though they're heavy but we know otherwise after all the sleds have been weighed and tested. In the meantime, their 4 stroke motors are unparalleled in weight and performance. The Apex has 160 HP and the viper has 135 both naturally aspirated. It's beyond crazy that Yamaha is stepping out of the game to let the lesser sleds be the only option in the 4 stroke segment.
Forget it I tried to clutch start my 900 ace turbo in -28f about the only thing that cranked and started was my temper!! Along with some very choice words!! The incredible hulk would have a bad day!!!
Probably good idea to carry a little booster pack with a 4 stroke. I have 4 strokes and 2 strokes but never carry a booster but think ill buy one over the summer rather have it not need than not have it and need it i guess. Iv heard of people starting with clutch using buddies sled to pull it over lol!!
90 to 95 well positioned in the 4 stroke non turbo market place ? LOL Yamaha maybe leaving but they still have the 135 hp viper and cat still has the zr 7000 , no comparison!
Not a Polaris guy but if i was definitely wouldn’t want it. Rather buy a 650 thats 100 pounds lighter and lot faster. I’ll find oil or carry it with me no big deal. Going to put this pro star right up there with the pro ride that was supposed to be so good. What happened to the pro ride it disappointed then disappeared. Probably same thing will happen to pro star S4 because it really sounds disappointing. Polaris should just stick with there 2 strokes lol!!
Yamaha will continue to supply cat so i hear anyway. Same sled different colors is all. If cat puts the Yamaha 3 cylinder into the catalyst should be a rocket. The turbo already is a rocket of course in pro cross lol!!
You guys are ridiculous. “ you cannot feel the weight”. This sled is heavy slow pig! Love how you ragged on Yamaha for heavy sleds though they have way more hp and are lighter! Bias to the max
@@GYPSY400 lighter with power steering by 14 pounds I believe at 667Lb. So without power steering Yamaha has to be even closer to the doo 137 XRS 850 at 651 pounds but all these years all ya hears was how heavy the Yamaha was. Sidewinder no power steering vs 850 doo both 137 inch skids should be almost identical in weight. That’s impressive for a 200hp turbo 4 stroke right. Since 2017 bean the fastest sled on snow period.
Cant feel the weight I don’t believe it. Any other sleds all u here about is the weight now it doesn’t matter. But it matters in all other chassis from other manufacturers if this isn’t the most bias thing iv ever heard idk what is lol!! U guys talked about 4 stroke sleds like the Yamaha- thundercat with over 100 more hp and there way lighter without power steering 14 pounds lighter with power steering. But weight was always a issue with Yamaha just dont make sense im sorry.
Cant feel the weight I don’t believe it. Any other sleds all u here about is the weight now it doesn’t matter. But it matters in all other chassis from other manufacturers if this isn’t the most bias thing iv ever heard idk what is lol!! U guys talked about 4 stroke sleds like the Yamaha- thundercat with over 100 more hp. But weight was a issue just dont make sense im sorry.
@@joshgessinger4509 I think they Implied that you don't notice the wight on the Trail. If you are stuck in deep snow or on a Log your are going to notice the weight. Riding my Dad's 1976 Yamaha 440 Exciter I I picked up the front or the back to move it when stuck. When I got my 2006 Yamaha Attack Stuck I thought I was just getting weak in my old age.. then I realized it's like 675# and the Exciter may be under 400#
Unless you Ride across an open lake all day and want to go 600 MPH, I'll take the 4 stroke all day. In any model. Call me old call me grandma, and ill wave when I go by you at the gas station.
I'd look for a newer used Cat 7000 series for a fraction of the price. Proven durability and 40 extra Horses. and it's not a Polaris. So no recalls etc.
Yamaha's 1049 triple has had 140+ HP for millennia...... In Cat's and Yammies..... "90ish Hp is positioned nicely in the 4 stoke market"..... LOL.... well no not really.
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OK guys I own about 12 new sleds from both skidoo and Polaris. I can tell you the real deal on this S4. It’s a great running sled for speeds between 20 and 60 mph on smooth trails. Top speed is about 75. The fuel economy is only about 14 mpg. The throttle by wire works real well, way better than ski doo. It starts a bit hard - a decent amount of cranking at each start. I generally ride in standard mode because sport mode tends to be a little jerky.
I'd love to try one.My wife and i made the switch to 900ace Skidoo sleds in 2017.Now over 21,000kms later,no regrets.Smooth,durable,no oil,no fumes,excellent trail performance. 300kms on a tank of fuel ,I could go on and on.This Indy with the S4 is a winner in my books.I look forward to trying one!! Thing looks amazing and the handling I bet be top notch
So it's more expensive, heavier, and slower than 900 ACE. Sounds like Polaris missed the mark.
Okay, I was really interested until I saw the price. Skidoo has an established 4 stroke with a proved reputation and Polaris shows up at about $1k MORE?
Sorry, but it has to be said. Polaris' recent quality and recall issues are the reason I wasn't even looking at them to begin with. And now they are $1k more than a Skidoo which has a very good rep for build quality and durability? This is crazy. Yes, the Skidoo is also overpriced, btw. But overpriced by $1k less.
I'm glad Polaris is in the 4S market and hope it sells well.
I honestly couldn't believe how much this thing weighed last year
Power to weight has to be a turd.
A Twin Cylinder 4 stroke that gets good MPG but weighs more and costs more than a Skidoo .. Skidoo's are known to collapse . They are a built too light actually ..
How do they change the Clutch engagement RPM's?
I have been saying for years that my 4 Cylinder Yamaha APEX could get way better mpg if you could change the clutch engagement between Economy and performance settings on the fly ..
60 pounds weight difference would have been totally overlooked if they would have jumped the horsepower up to 120 ! The twin Suzuki motor cat had before yamaha arrived on the scene was a perfect example! 123 hp
If anyone buys that poo over a 3 cylinder Yamaha has to be nuts.
The Suzuki 1100 would smoke that turd. Still own a 1100 Suzuki Z1 turbo i love it. I have few sleds Most the time i sell my sleds when i buy a new one. But have a soft spot in my heart for the Z1. With 4 maps to choose from 180-280+ hp I’ll probably keep forever. 13 years old it weighs less than this new Polaris does lol!!
But back in the day it was called heavy and it is but with big HP makes up for it.
@@joshgessinger4509yes. I feel like if they put a turbo on it, it’d work better for sure. Same with the 1100 non turbo they’re not the most powerful engine. But they work better than the popo
@@braydenlewis7438 definitely with a turbo be a fun sled. would also be heavier yet though and wouldn’t make competitive power against the Yamaha or be as lite. All depends on what the turbo would sell for i guess. If they could keep price down from a Yamaha or cat might be a good deal. The Suzuki 1100 was fast in the spar chassis 100mph plus also felt torquey But in the pro cross it wasn’t as fast for some reason it was 123 hp in both chassis. Spar must of been less friction maybe less wind resistance. I saw the same with the F6 in spar owned 2 105 mph stock clutching. The 3 ZR 6000r XC sleds i owned and raced wouldn’t hit 100mph. My 15 went 96mph 16 went 93mph 17 90mph really slow and disappointing. The C tech felt way more powerful than F6 did though made more torque but around same HP i guess. Maybe the polaris chassis is better for top end the pro star will go 100mph but i doubt it. Probably a good reliable sled good mileage but for the money id rather have a 650 or even a 850. That and ur talking 100 ponds more weight might handle and ride good but the 2 stokes will be better no brainer what id buy. If i was going to buy a NA 4 stroke the yamaha 3 cylinder blows the competition away
Ski doo has some good 4 strokes specially with turbo. Idk just think Polaris could of done a better Job with releasing a 4 stroke thats all. Not bashing polaris good sleds but in the 4 stroke segment my opinion theres better ones to choose from.
Got a Indy adventure 137 s4 for my wife recently
Pros;
very quiet, forgiving ride, different throttle modes, fly by wire works excellent, has some surprisingly decent 20-45 mph pull in the trails, linear power curve with no surprises, no cold smoke or 2 stroke oil needed.
Cons; no pull start, it’s very heavy ( although as stated it doesn’t feel too bad when riding but if u need to tug it around or tip it up it’s crazy heavy )exhaust note when riding is lame, it’s not what I would call a “fun” sled, F-N-R shifting is just as clunky and crappy as my rzr is, fuel mileage isn’t what I was hoping for and I’d say honestly say a 650 2 stroke probably gets better mpg.
Good comments! Thanks for sharing from your experience. Always appreciated.
I think Polaris is making a huge mistake not getting a high horsepower 4 stroke in the Titan. The Skidoo Expedition models have really taken off with a wide variety of engines available and I wouldn't doubt that the high hp options are the best sellers.
I laugh when people talk about Yamaha's as though they're heavy but we know otherwise after all the sleds have been weighed and tested. In the meantime, their 4 stroke motors are unparalleled in weight and performance. The Apex has 160 HP and the viper has 135 both naturally aspirated. It's beyond crazy that Yamaha is stepping out of the game to let the lesser sleds be the only option in the 4 stroke segment.
Forget it I tried to clutch start my 900 ace turbo in -28f about the only thing that cranked and started was my temper!! Along with some very choice words!! The incredible hulk would have a bad day!!!
Probably good idea to carry a little booster pack with a 4 stroke. I have 4 strokes and 2 strokes but never carry a booster but think ill buy one over the summer rather have it not need than not have it and need it i guess. Iv heard of people starting with clutch using buddies sled to pull it over lol!!
90 to 95 well positioned in the 4 stroke non turbo market place ? LOL Yamaha maybe leaving but they still have the 135 hp viper and cat still has the zr 7000 , no comparison!
How's the pull starting? Ie.. rope, cable...for when the battery goes dead
Same as Ski-doo, it doesn’t have a recoil starter..
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No pull cords on any 4 strokes
My 2006 Yamaha Attack still has the Original Battery in it .
Turbo next year?
No. Polaris’s 2025 sleds were released 2 weeks ago. There’s no turbo 4 stroke coming.
Maybe MY26
Better be a big turbo to compete with cat and doo lol!!
Probably a good sled for grandma
Not a Polaris guy but if i was definitely wouldn’t want it. Rather buy a 650 thats 100 pounds lighter and lot faster. I’ll find oil or carry it with me no big deal. Going to put this pro star right up there with the pro ride that was supposed to be so good. What happened to the pro ride it disappointed then disappeared. Probably same thing will happen to pro star S4 because it really sounds disappointing. Polaris should just stick with there 2 strokes lol!!
Yamaha already had the perfect 4 stroke engine. And sadly that era is over so now you have.....well this
Yamaha will continue to supply cat so i hear anyway. Same sled different colors is all. If cat puts the Yamaha 3 cylinder into the catalyst should be a rocket. The turbo already is a rocket of course in pro cross lol!!
Well, Yamaha is going out of business. Doubt Polaris could ever fill their shoes
You guys are ridiculous. “ you cannot feel the weight”. This sled is heavy slow pig! Love how you ragged on Yamaha for heavy sleds though they have way more hp and are lighter! Bias to the max
Thats what i said 😂
And they put out a video saying the sidewinder is lighter than the S4... with DOUBLE the power
@@GYPSY400 lighter with power steering by 14 pounds I believe at 667Lb. So without power steering Yamaha has to be even closer to the doo 137 XRS 850 at 651 pounds but all these years all ya hears was how heavy the Yamaha was. Sidewinder no power steering vs 850 doo both 137 inch skids should be almost identical in weight. That’s impressive for a 200hp turbo 4 stroke right. Since 2017 bean the fastest sled on snow period.
Such a horrible sounding sled, swing and a miss by Polaris.
Honestly at less than 100 hp I would have to ride it before I buy one
No snow=DOA
Keep buying America 🇺🇸 all the way..
Cant feel the weight I don’t believe it. Any other sleds all u here about is the weight now it doesn’t matter. But it matters in all other chassis from other manufacturers if this isn’t the most bias thing iv ever heard idk what is lol!!
U guys talked about 4 stroke sleds like the Yamaha- thundercat with over 100 more hp and there way lighter without power steering 14 pounds lighter with power steering. But weight was always a issue with Yamaha just dont make sense im sorry.
There's the bias comment! Was waiting for that...
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@@snowtraxtrue though isn’t it…? You definitely feel the weight. You cannot deny that
The S4 is junk, much heavier and way less hp than similarly priced offerings from Doo and Yamaha. No wonder Polaris is having trouble selling these.
They just Introduced it .. for 2025..
Right was what i was thinking
Any other sled weights always a issue but not this one come on r u kidding me lol!!
Introduced last spring for the 2024 lineup
Cant feel the weight I don’t believe it. Any other sleds all u here about is the weight now it doesn’t matter. But it matters in all other chassis from other manufacturers if this isn’t the most bias thing iv ever heard idk what is lol!!
U guys talked about 4 stroke sleds like the Yamaha- thundercat with over 100 more hp. But weight was a issue just dont make sense im sorry.
@@joshgessinger4509 I think they Implied that you don't notice the wight on the Trail. If you are stuck in deep snow or on a Log your are going to notice the weight. Riding my Dad's 1976 Yamaha 440 Exciter I I picked up the front or the back to move it when stuck.
When I got my 2006 Yamaha Attack Stuck I thought I was just getting weak in my old age.. then I realized it's like 675# and the Exciter may be under 400#
Unless you Ride across an open lake all day and want to go 600 MPH, I'll take the 4 stroke all day. In any model. Call me old call me grandma, and ill wave when I go by you at the gas station.
"Sounds like a Harley"? Mark must not like Harleys.
It sounds horrible. Like a clapped out lawn tractor.
I'd look for a newer used Cat 7000 series for a fraction of the price. Proven durability and 40 extra Horses.
and it's not a Polaris. So no recalls etc.
Yamaha's 1049 triple has had 140+ HP for millennia...... In Cat's and Yammies..... "90ish Hp is positioned nicely in the 4 stoke market"..... LOL.... well no not really.