@mattalley4330 they wanted a good young player from the trade it took longer but they got Avdija ( Tumani also but I think Deni is a young piece that by himself almost made it worth it , then plus all the picks and Tumani and Rob , they probably could of gotten more good players if they traded with the Heat for all the young players and not Ayton)
I don’t mean to be rude, but the new fans like you (we obviously welcome!) to the team don’t understand that our roster is not impressive. This is not a playoff team, there’s no universe in which the majority of this roster is playoff material. This doesn’t change just because we’ve beaten some both shitty teams and good teams without key players recently.
@@michaelryan9711 Stuck in the "not good enough for the playoffs, but not bad enough for a good lottery pick that would drastically change the team" right now 🥲
I disagree with saying that Deandre Ayton was traded for Dame. That was really a center swap between us and Phoenix, who were both motivated to trade up and down centers who could (hopefully) improve with a change of scenery. In my mind, I break that part of the multi-team trade into: (Nurkic + Grayson Allen + Nassir Little + Keon Johnson) for (Ayton + Camara). Even if Dame hadn't been traded, there were people on both sides that wanted a Nurkic for Ayton trade. Both are up and down, but Ayton makes twice as much on the same contract length ($35M a year vs. $18M a year). Ayton is younger and slightly more productive than Nurk (at the time) at 17 pts and 11 rebs vs. 10 pts and 11 rebs for Nurkic. So not unreasonable to trade a more expensive and younger center for a much cheaper older center. Phoenix wanting to get off that salary off their bloated payroll and doing a straight across trade is not beyond the pale. And proven NBA rotation players of Keon Johnson and Nassir Little for a bottom of the 2nd round draft pick in Camara also isn't beyond the pale. So, the Grayson Allen sweetener in the trade might not have even been needed to do that deal. (Though I do agree with Mike that this is unquestionably the best - nay maybe the only Blazer favorable - Cronin deal.) That means that Dame was really traded for Jrue and Grayson Allen. If you follow the Transitive Property of Drafting means that we really only traded (Dame + 2028 and 2029 2nd round picks) for (Avdija + RWIII + the Nurkic for Ayton sweetener that might not have been needed in the first place), as we also forwarded on to Washington the Malcolm Brogdon + 2 first round picks that we got for Dame initially. I like Deni, but that is not a "haul" for Dame.
Maybe the Blazers and Suns could have found an Ayton/Nurk swap independent of the Damian Lillard deal. It wouldn't have been automatic but certainly it's easy to envision a world where that went down somehow. However they, in fact, did not do that. I guess I understand what you're trying to illustrate, but also that is not what happened and we're now a season and a half into the thing that did happen.
Demanding two 1sts for JG last deadline was a failure. Take one and be happy to get off of that contract. Not sure why any team would trade for Ayton when the "change of scenery" angle failed here when he's given a nightly starting role. If Ant has success and gets traded a Top-whatever Protected 1st, fans would cry that they didn't get enough for him. I hope they keep Rob. The type of vet that seems like a good locker room guy, can actually play, and his injury concerns mean that he won't end up stealing minutes from Clingan.
Jerami Grant 14.7 PPG 3.5 RPG 2.2 APG $160M over four years Paul George 17.1 PPG 5.6 RPG 5.7 APG, $211.5M over four years So Grant is roughly 80% of the player Paul George is in terms of production and cost The Grant contract doesn't look great but it is not worse than Paul George's
Couldve went ant tyler backcourt, skip scoot in the draft, pick amen. Miami instead of drafting jaime in the draft to put in the package puts cam whitmore. (Remember the deal was dead for weeks before the draft so miami chose their own pick with the intention to keep). If the negotiations were ongoing they go cam to send to Portland. If you had amen and cam and shaedon, do you even give up a 14th pick in this draft and a 2029 1st for deni?
I mean.. Deni, Toumani, Williams III, Ayton and a 1st and 2 swaps with high upside value is an absolute king's random compared to the nothing burger package Miami was pushing
Having more than one first rounder means that you are going to replace at least two roster spots. The thing with the draft is - you hope that the guy you drafted is better than the guy you dismissed, but you don't know. Further more, when you draft players, especially in the first round, you need to give them minutes and staff attention for them to develop. Given the circumstances, I don't think the Blazers gave up too much value for Deni, especially when 2024 wasn't, and isn't, considered very deep. They had a young team already with a bunch of vets they needed to figure out what to do with (did nothing eventually), so adding more inexperienced youth didn't make much sense. 2029 - 3 first rounders to a team that hopes to be at the very least a playoff team doesn't make sense. And they're giving up a pick that is likely to be around 20th when they'll have a better one, so again it's probably cutting/trading a better player away. Flipping a final year of a veteran guard who will probably not stay with the team and takes minutes to their young prospect doesn't seem like much. The only question is what better value they would have brought with the assets traded away, and that's one that we'll never know.
I think Ayton is at least an average level starting center. I have no doubt if our team actually wanted to feature him and play through him consistently he would average 20/10 . The motor is a fair concern I just think our system causes him to play more passively than he actually is.
It would be nice if Portland didn't have to overpay there GOOD players $5-6m per year to play here. I wish the NBA would let high tax rate states like Oregon be able to pay their players more than states like Florida+Texas can without being punished by the luxury tax. In the 90s when we had one of the few billionaire owners in the league and the CBA wasn't nearly as restrictive, things were ok and we were competitive, but now I just don't see how Portland can ever win a championship with the way the league is setup and how player movement works.
The tax burden isn't that different when you look at more than just salary tax. Texas has high property tax and sales tax. Most players end up buying a home if they stay around. The problem for Portland versus Florida is more about the lack of nightlife that certain NBA players tend to love. California has high taxes yet LeBron, Davis, George, and Leonard all went there, so that isn't a real concern (LA does have an amazing nightlife scene plus all kind of business opportunities that the Portland area doesn't). Texas and Florida keep stripping away rights too.
Can you briefly touch upon Dillon Brooks torching the Celtics (great defensive team)....and how this franchise didn't pursue him in free agency while doubling down on or buddy the 165 pound pitbull simons?! Oh btw I did some digging after brooks dropped 30 piece on the Blazers couple weeks ago and he is also HOMEBRED! Went to college in Oregon. Although he probably woulnt fit here because he likes to play defense and show emotion. Man o man, Im looking forward to this trade deadline and being ultra aggresive with all our valuable trade chips!!
Dame for Avdija and Toumani is great value, adding Rob Williams is a good piece too
Good one 😂
@mattalley4330 they wanted a good young player from the trade it took longer but they got Avdija ( Tumani also but I think Deni is a young piece that by himself almost made it worth it , then plus all the picks and Tumani and Rob , they probably could of gotten more good players if they traded with the Heat for all the young players and not Ayton)
@@kobiiboksireficul Toumani and Deni are great for the locker room too, excellent character
Plus multiple unprotected 1st round picks
@@inibigfoot (just one 1st after the Deni trade)
DENI IS THE BEST IN THAT TEAM
Grant contact maybe the worst value in NBA, but Deni’s contract has to be one of the best, so at least there is some objective balance 🤷🏼
It’s the best when considering it’s his 2nd contract not a rookie one anymore
trust that roster - next year we are in the playoffs (scoot and toumani are making a leap )
I don’t mean to be rude, but the new fans like you (we obviously welcome!) to the team don’t understand that our roster is not impressive. This is not a playoff team, there’s no universe in which the majority of this roster is playoff material. This doesn’t change just because we’ve beaten some both shitty teams and good teams without key players recently.
@@michaelryan9711 Stuck in the "not good enough for the playoffs, but not bad enough for a good lottery pick that would drastically change the team" right now 🥲
Blazers get their 1 nationally televised game !!! Thanks Lillard.
extra bling and sparkle dust for the Moda Center tonight.
Sharp can jump high. but when you see for example Morant dunks 360 you understand that theres a way to go...
Ayton is one of the most unserious players in the league.
I disagree with saying that Deandre Ayton was traded for Dame. That was really a center swap between us and Phoenix, who were both motivated to trade up and down centers who could (hopefully) improve with a change of scenery.
In my mind, I break that part of the multi-team trade into:
(Nurkic + Grayson Allen + Nassir Little + Keon Johnson) for (Ayton + Camara).
Even if Dame hadn't been traded, there were people on both sides that wanted a Nurkic for Ayton trade. Both are up and down, but Ayton makes twice as much on the same contract length ($35M a year vs. $18M a year).
Ayton is younger and slightly more productive than Nurk (at the time) at 17 pts and 11 rebs vs. 10 pts and 11 rebs for Nurkic. So not unreasonable to trade a more expensive and younger center for a much cheaper older center.
Phoenix wanting to get off that salary off their bloated payroll and doing a straight across trade is not beyond the pale. And proven NBA rotation players of Keon Johnson and Nassir Little for a bottom of the 2nd round draft pick in Camara also isn't beyond the pale.
So, the Grayson Allen sweetener in the trade might not have even been needed to do that deal. (Though I do agree with Mike that this is unquestionably the best - nay maybe the only Blazer favorable - Cronin deal.)
That means that Dame was really traded for Jrue and Grayson Allen.
If you follow the Transitive Property of Drafting means that we really only traded (Dame + 2028 and 2029 2nd round picks) for (Avdija + RWIII + the Nurkic for Ayton sweetener that might not have been needed in the first place), as we also forwarded on to Washington the Malcolm Brogdon + 2 first round picks that we got for Dame initially.
I like Deni, but that is not a "haul" for Dame.
Maybe the Blazers and Suns could have found an Ayton/Nurk swap independent of the Damian Lillard deal. It wouldn't have been automatic but certainly it's easy to envision a world where that went down somehow. However they, in fact, did not do that. I guess I understand what you're trying to illustrate, but also that is not what happened and we're now a season and a half into the thing that did happen.
Rob Williams is a mentor and a hard worker, he’s closer to the Clingon archetype and the trade value is low. Keep Rob Williams.
Demanding two 1sts for JG last deadline was a failure. Take one and be happy to get off of that contract.
Not sure why any team would trade for Ayton when the "change of scenery" angle failed here when he's given a nightly starting role.
If Ant has success and gets traded a Top-whatever Protected 1st, fans would cry that they didn't get enough for him.
I hope they keep Rob. The type of vet that seems like a good locker room guy, can actually play, and his injury concerns mean that he won't end up stealing minutes from Clingan.
Jerami Grant 14.7 PPG 3.5 RPG 2.2 APG $160M over four years
Paul George 17.1 PPG 5.6 RPG 5.7 APG, $211.5M over four years
So Grant is roughly 80% of the player Paul George is in terms of production and cost
The Grant contract doesn't look great but it is not worse than Paul George's
Just take a look at Bradley Beal's contract, and you gonna love even the Ayton contract 😉
Couldve went ant tyler backcourt, skip scoot in the draft, pick amen. Miami instead of drafting jaime in the draft to put in the package puts cam whitmore. (Remember the deal was dead for weeks before the draft so miami chose their own pick with the intention to keep). If the negotiations were ongoing they go cam to send to Portland. If you had amen and cam and shaedon, do you even give up a 14th pick in this draft and a 2029 1st for deni?
Please let’s normalize pronouncing it “Shaedon Shaerp” (Swedish chef voice)
Why, is that the way he pronounces it?
I mean.. Deni, Toumani, Williams III, Ayton and a 1st and 2 swaps with high upside value is an absolute king's random compared to the nothing burger package Miami was pushing
Having more than one first rounder means that you are going to replace at least two roster spots.
The thing with the draft is - you hope that the guy you drafted is better than the guy you dismissed, but you don't know.
Further more, when you draft players, especially in the first round, you need to give them minutes and staff attention for them to develop.
Given the circumstances, I don't think the Blazers gave up too much value for Deni, especially when 2024 wasn't, and isn't, considered very deep.
They had a young team already with a bunch of vets they needed to figure out what to do with (did nothing eventually), so adding more inexperienced youth didn't make much sense.
2029 - 3 first rounders to a team that hopes to be at the very least a playoff team doesn't make sense.
And they're giving up a pick that is likely to be around 20th when they'll have a better one, so again it's probably cutting/trading a better player away.
Flipping a final year of a veteran guard who will probably not stay with the team and takes minutes to their young prospect doesn't seem like much.
The only question is what better value they would have brought with the assets traded away, and that's one that we'll never know.
I think Ayton is at least an average level starting center. I have no doubt if our team actually wanted to feature him and play through him consistently he would average 20/10 . The motor is a fair concern I just think our system causes him to play more passively than he actually is.
Nate Robinson won the dunk contest 3 times
... but not 3 in a row.
It would be nice if Portland didn't have to overpay there GOOD players $5-6m per year to play here. I wish the NBA would let high tax rate states like Oregon be able to pay their players more than states like Florida+Texas can without being punished by the luxury tax. In the 90s when we had one of the few billionaire owners in the league and the CBA wasn't nearly as restrictive, things were ok and we were competitive, but now I just don't see how Portland can ever win a championship with the way the league is setup and how player movement works.
The tax burden isn't that different when you look at more than just salary tax. Texas has high property tax and sales tax. Most players end up buying a home if they stay around. The problem for Portland versus Florida is more about the lack of nightlife that certain NBA players tend to love. California has high taxes yet LeBron, Davis, George, and Leonard all went there, so that isn't a real concern (LA does have an amazing nightlife scene plus all kind of business opportunities that the Portland area doesn't). Texas and Florida keep stripping away rights too.
Can you briefly touch upon Dillon Brooks torching the Celtics (great defensive team)....and how this franchise didn't pursue him in free agency while doubling down on or buddy the 165 pound pitbull simons?! Oh btw I did some digging after brooks dropped 30 piece on the Blazers couple weeks ago and he is also HOMEBRED! Went to college in Oregon. Although he probably woulnt fit here because he likes to play defense and show emotion. Man o man, Im looking forward to this trade deadline and being ultra aggresive with all our valuable trade chips!!
He’s an older Toumani, but mean. Doesn’t fit the good vibes…
Brooks is a locker room cancer
Lol, such cope. The Blazers got a load of junk and 1 frp. For their superstar. Still tanking at the bottom of the NBA.
Such a clueless kid.