Many reasons! First, this isn't just a re-upload, this is a full, extended cut that has been re-edited with more information, interview footage, etc. that was originally only available on a paid-access platform I'm no longer a part of (and re-edited this year as I said). Second, it didn't get a whole lot of traction on main channel when it released, Plus I'm trying to move most of my gaming/gaming-adjacent coverage over to this channel, so reviving the lost extended cut seemed like a good reason to get this video out there again. Answers a lot of the questions people have on my previous CRT videos posted to this channel.
I finally got myself a PC CRT monitor last month. It's nothing crazy, just a 17" LG F700p. But I got lucky and actually found it as new old stock, legit factory sealed. So it looks just perfect! You are one of the reasons I got interested in this topic so a huge THANK YOU! Now playing older games feel just right. Exactly like it felt when I was a kid. And it's great as a second monitor for productivity too, btw.
@@lostsaves thanks. It cost me an equivalent of like $30 and it survived being shipped across half the country (probably thanks to the factory packaging). So yeah, I got super lucky. PC monitors can be super cool. I've also seen some dirt cheap listings for other LG models that have sync on green and BNC inputs - I think that would be amazing for a soft-modded PS2 with component cables.
About to watch but just wanted to say I had so much fun playing F-Zero GX on my Viewsonic 17" CRT last night. Its 1280x 1024 so it does 2x in dolphin really well, but it is contrasty to a point of defect. Luckily I like that and in F-Zero's dark scenes with the bright lights it looks so cool
I've been sampling the latest OLED monitors, and they are getting interesting, I like the new 27 inch 1440p 480Hz OLED with ELMB, the trouble is, most games I play are 60Hz, so those are not much use to me, and even when you do get the full 480FPS, they still are a long way from the perfect 1:1 motion resolution CRTs have at 60Hz and over, there is also the fact they are only available in a console and film/video aspect ratio (16:9), which is a huge downgrade over 4:3 (nearly 50% less vertical resolution and real-estate), another dealbreaker, is the horrible non RGB subpixel layout they have, I like to sit close up, and I can so easily see the poor DP these modern OLEDs have, they are just not the same as RGB-OLED, they also have really poor greyscale and shadow resolution, though the new iPad Pro's Tandem-OLED goes some way to fixing that problem, so I guess that is what I shall wait for, a pure RGB-Stripe, Tandem-OLED with a nice full-fat 16:10 aspect ratio, at least 500 PPI @ 27 inches, 600Hz refresh rate with HDR rolling-scan and a proper FPGA integer scaler built in for handling multi-resolutions properly (another huge downgrade fixed pixel displays have), if only Sony would make a proper gaming Tandem-OLED monitor using their brilliant proprietary rolling-scan modulation tech used in their OLED BVM sets, those have very respectable motion-resolution @ 60Hz, and if it was available at higher refresh rates, it would be even better. I'm in no rush though, I just got an HD Fury 4, which has incredible image quality for CRTs, it even allows colour depth upscaling for VGA and component, 36-Bit RGB 4:4:4, HDR tone mapping emulation, and 1920x1440p72Hz thanks to the triple 11-Bit 225Mhz pixel clock, it looks just incredible on my LaCie Blue IV 22, I can run the Switch, MiSTer, PS4, Steam Deck, gaming rig and so on through it with zero latency, it also has perfect gamma, shadow resolution, so I'm more than content for the next few years, I might look out for a cheap 25 inch Sony BVM-OLED though, that I can use with a GBS-C scaler, might be nice to have for some 16:9 60Hz only games, I already have a 17 inch BVM-OLED, which has that beautiful 60Hz rolling-scan, not to bad for some content, I do find it mind-boggling how far we still are from coming full circle and at least catching back up to the last gen CRT monitors, even when we see hints of something that might get us there, it either never comes out or gets killed of as it starts to take off, like SED/FED tech, Focus-Field-Drive Plasma, Mitsubishi LaserVue, Panasonic MegaCon, so we already have the technology available to completely smash past CRT tech, it's just profits are what drives the industry, more than ever in fact, gone are the days when Sony & Panasonic were constantly one-upping each other and producing real quality displays, thankfully OLED became cheap enough to satisfy the greedy execs at the top, so we at least have something that relative to LCD is serviceable as a modern display tech, all be-it a much more cut-down version of OLED that only uses one single OLED emitter (WOLED & QD-OLED), rather than the original triple RGB emitter JOLED technology that was originally introduced by Sony & Panasonic in 2012, JOLED was also originally supposed to use rolling-scan modulation, not sample & hold, but again in the name of profits, WOLED with sample & hold is what we ended up getting instead, and later QD-OLED, a slightly improved version of WOLED that uses conversion rather than a filter, still single OLED emitter though, meaning only 1 3rd of the subpixel resolution that RGB-OLED has. Sorry for the long post, I love talking about this stuff. Only thing in tech that still keeps me interested personally.
I have a really old flat screen CRT tv that I keep for playing my retro games on. It's always my go to and was nearly a requirement when I was heavy into speed running Super Metroid Also Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance 1 and 2 are fire. I keep my ps2 copies close!
I main a CRT on my gaming rig, and it's amazing. I also plug my PS5 into it, and 60FPS games are BUTTER. I'm looking forward playing some Astro Bot on this thing. Ghost of Tsushima is going to be incredible, too. It's going to be so good.
For some reason, both AMD and NVIDIA's modern GPU drivers are weird with low screen resolutions, and you have to use Linux to force CRT monitors to run at certain resolutions and refresh rates (For example, 240p). Wayland needs an easy way of adding custom resolutions and refresh rates, but using the Steam Deck's desktop mode and some scripts makes it so I can have really nice looking scanlines in RetroArch. Might be a thing worth investigating. If one can get custom resolutions working in the Steam Deck's Game Mode, that basically opens the door to retro gaming without needing old GPUs or outdated drivers.
I like this channel more and more. The passion for giving the best video quality is evident from the first second. I can only congratulate you for such a spectacular job and I will always look forward to new content.
I have a CRT TV stored away and every time I think about using it I remember about all of its downsides and I give up on that idea. This has happened more than a couple of times already 😅.
I switched decades ago from dual Trinitron 19" to a ridiculously expensive 60Hz IPS panel, still at 4:3. My dry eyes and migraines went away in a week. Never again CRT for me.
I agree. As much as I do miss this "smoothness" the CRTs had, I really don't miss the higher amount of migraines I got from being on it for too long, and the noise they make.
Interesting. I have 5 CRTs and each one required an adjustment period where they'd hurt my eyes for the first few days and I'd have to aclimate slowly to them. But now they don't bother me at all, even after long sessions. I wonder why.
@@butchdeadlift7551 I have no idea why tbh. I always had a speculation that the electron gun may leak through the glass despite the glass being thick as well. Although I wonder if it may be the frequency as I believe they emit around 18 KHz constantly. At least that's about the same tone I hear a TV when compared to an 18 KHz tone on RUclips.
I wish I understood this nostalgic love for these old beasts. I love a lot of ‘old’ stuff. I still buy discs (mostly 4K movies but some CDs), I still drive a stick, I still rock old school speakers and amps. But I do NOT miss CRT TVs. Enormous, dim, flicker-y monsters. Maybe it’s because I went to plasma (not LCD) and then after plasma died I eschewed LCD again in favor of front projectors.
Last gen CRT monitors are almost twice the full-screen brightness as QD-OLED, and on par with RGB-OLED, CRTs also hold better colour retention when at higher luminance levels, they also have much better shadow resolution and greyscale, are far less flickery than OLED as long as the CRT is over 65Hz, have incredible DP & fill-rates, have zero latency with incredible input fidelity, they have pixel perfect motion-resolution that is indistinguishable from static resolution, can hold incredible fidelity at any resolution from 240p to 1440p, nothing comes close to a CRT for gaming on, modern games or retro games, not to say OLED isn't getting much better, and we are only a few years away from 8K Tadem-OLED with 600Hz and all that good stuff, OLED is plenty good enough for most people, and to be honest, most don't know the difference, it would only be when you sit them in front of a CRT and let them direct compare CRT & OLED that they would realize just how much better high-end CRTs are, but most as I said don't have a clue, ignorance is bliss, many are happy with LCD even, it's no different to OLED in that way, it's only when most people sit in front of an OLED for the first time, they realize how much better it is over LCD, the same is true for CRT (CRT>OLED>LCD), see this gfella gushing over and showing of his CRT monitor: ruclips.net/video/XiWHK8PFj_8/видео.html&ab_channel=ZReviews
I was hoping for CRT content on your PS2 video and am happy now haha. Great channel, subscribed. I've got a 36" JVC D-Series, a 20" Sanyo, a 26" widescreen HD Toshiba, and a 32" 4:3 HD Toshiba. I also have a 17" el cheapo eMachines PC CRT hooked up as a second display, mainly for watching video content on. I can't imagine gaming or watching shows on anything other than a CRT. The difference is so stark (though I would like to get an OLED...).
I'm glad it's not just me, seemingly anyone who gets into CRTs winds up hoarding/collecting them. I personally have about 20 of them ranging from tiny portable B&W models to the absolutely behemoth 36FV310 and 34XBR910. And even a couple PVMs. And a few PC CRTs. Even have one where the remote is a mini version of the TV. (No, I don't have a problem😅) While I love OLEDs, CRTs have so much charm and are still gorgeous.
Great video. One thing that is also interesting about strobed display tech and BFI/ULMB is its applicability for use with shutter glasses for 3D, since it helps to eliminate ghosting between each eye. Nvidia originally used the term 'lightboost' with 3D Vision before renaming to ULMB as they dropped stereo tech lol. I learned recently about the Generic CRT mode enabled by using the standalone 3D Vision emitter, but have yet to try it with an actual CRT (or TV, none of mine accept 120hz input). However, LCDs with low motion blur at 120Hz seem to work just fine with the glasses kit so I expect OLEDs/CRTs would be even better
People keep forgetting ED crtv’s.. zero input latency, 480P, some with progressive mode (Panasonic Acuity) and no high pitched beeping noise. EDTV are very rare, but they are the best for anything above 240P/480i
I actually have a old Mickey Mouse TV that I had as a kid that I still game on today. It's awesome having my steam deck connected to that TV and playing both modern and retro games on that thing. Course the only downside is some text in modern games are difficult to read lol. Anyway thanks for this video, subbed! ^^
As someone who has experimented with CRT PC gaming for about a year, using some known high end monitors (P991, G220fb, 2070SB) in the community, I must say that CRT monitors aren't the be all, end all solution that many people claim. Now that's not to say that they are overrated, they definitely are great, but it depends on what you're trying to get. Without a doubt, CRT monitors can not be beaten when it comes to input lag, and motion clarity. They can be pretty sharp, but in my experience the image is just a tad soft compared to a modern display. You can use the UFOTest to see how clear the motion is at a lower hz compared to modern display. Of course, there's also the thing to consider the size of the display. CRTs use a lot of real estate on your desk, and if you don't have a desk with a lot of depth, you might not enjoy using a CRT as much. LCD is nothing really to compare to CRT, but if you're interested in a CRT monitor compared to a modern display, I'd say just compare it to a OLED monitor which is pretty comparable in motion clarity
No crt can ever be as sharp as even the lowest end early lcd, that's just the nature of analog dots and lines vs digital perfectly square-shaped pixels , if you use your desktop pc to read books a lot, it is perfectly reasonable to pick an ips monitor over a CRT. For me, i just like the softness of CRT, i like the trade-offs, i wouldnt have it any other way except for the size, their real estate is one objective issue, and also it would be great if gpu manufacturers could support interlaced resolutions...other than that, i will always keep a flat panel around for living room purposes, but i dont see myself ever running my desktop computer on anything other than a CRT.
I think the most important thing to do with CRT Monitors in 2024 is to get interlaced resolutions working and to claibrate their brightness properly, the best benchmark for them is Resident Evil 7 !
I have an HD CRT a JVC AV-30W777 from 2006 that can’t display the HD codec from a PS3. The users manual even says it can’t display every codec. Hoping to figure out a workaround.
I'm on the market looking for a cheap CRT monitor to play retro PC Games and I think I found one Samsung Syncmaster 793DF which looks to be fine, I'm excited to rediscover the CRT magic.
man...how could we possibly get nvidia or amd to support interlaced resolutions over displayport? if they did that for their next gpus, it would help all crt monitors TREMENDOUSLY.
Is it just me or are the chapter timestamps a little off later into the video? I certainly think you've convinced me to get one when I can afford the luxuries of money, time, and space, but was having a little trouble following when I wanted to replay a section here. (e.g. 42:06 is usability, but it's mischaptered at 27:44)
Wait... what is the weird bug on the PS3 that makes it only support 720p for some games? Thats a bug?! :o... is there any way around it to your knowledge?
I’ve been playing gta v (Xbox 360 version with the composite cable the Xbox 360 came with so no adapter required plus gta v automatically changes the aspect ratio to 4:3 when the composite cable is plugged in, so no black bars or image stretching or squishing except for the rockstar logo at the beginning for some reason, I guess they forgot to adjust that) for a while now and today I decided to plug it in to my lcd tv with an hdmi cable and it was just so bad to me, turning in a car feels like I’m lugging it around compared to when I play on a crt I even thought I didn’t have game mode on so I checked but it was definitely on I’m thinking it might be different if I plug it in using the composite cable instead (this lcd has component/composite inputs) because I played my Xbox original on it not too long ago and I don’t remember having an issue, I’ll check that out later and respond to this comment with the result But yeah it just got me thinking, how much are we loosing with modern games because the difference in driving in gta v was substantial between the two TVs I wanna know how rdr2 plays on it I used to play the Xbox one on my 36 inch Samsung tv but I stopped because it’s just too hard to read the words and even with the widescreen option that the tv has it’s not wide enough so the image still gets squished a little bit I might try it again and play some games I didn’t play last time on it I’ve also never tried a component adapter for the Xbox one I only have an hdmi to composite/s-video but I hear it’s not that much better is that true?
I assume VSYNC was off for testing with the CRT, would the assumption be that you use something like Latent Sync with a CRT? I'd be interested in the latency data of CRT monitors with VSYNC on vs some of the new high refresh rate OLED pc monitors with VSYNC on but GSYNC engaged (essentially VSYNC off)
Yeah, I've tried playing some games on a old fixed refresh rate 144Hz monitor, and the only way I found games to run smooth on it would be to use Special K's Latent Sync feature to cap the game at half refresh rate.
@@KingKrouchhave you tried RTSS scanline sync + vsync? There are some RUclips videos that make it easy to follow. I do that for games I play at 120hz on the crt
CRTs are the best for gaming especially if your playing FPS games as you need the high refresh rate to gain the advantage in competitive gaming , sadly here in the UK its very hard to find any CRT Monitors as sadly most were destroyed at the end of the 00s.I feel like we have been shafter by our govts why ? basically we traded a tried and tested tech for LCD or OLED tvs and monitors which lack colour and contrast and are not as good for gaming.
Did you just say OLED lacks colour or contrast? And doing going CRT is honestly useless, almost no top end players use them at all in any game you play and I have played plenty of games at the top on end on high end LCD and now OLEDs.
@@Cayres9 no... no he didnt. You do realise OLED has pretty much perfect contrast right? And the colours are the best on the market right now, especially QD OLED? And go look at top players set ups... None of em use CRTs as they are the point of diminishing returns over standard high end monitors nowadays.
@@Cayres9 You made a dumb claim about colour and contrast and mentioned OLED??? You are wrong and I called that out. Same as how pretty much no competitive person uses CRT monitors as they are at the point of diminishing returns. All because you know you are wrong you call me a know it all??? Dont spread false info online then.
Im thinking about getting a Pioneer kuro for ps2 game that drop to 25fps and using 24hz mode to if it helps with motion clarity. Mainly gta games. I love crt even some hd crts.
@lostsaves My OBS settings for game recording only: OBS Recording - Video-Base Canvas Resolution 3440x1440. Output {Scaled Resolution} 3440x1440. It shows a black square. Video-Base Canvas Resolution 2560x1440. Output {Scaled Resolution} 2560x1440. the same black square footage. Video-Base Canvas Resolution 3440x1440 or 2560x1440 Output {Scaled Resolution} 1920x1080 makes the video and the cars tall. Any help, please? It all happens on Grid Legends and NFS Heat.
Why was this re-uploaded?
Many reasons!
First, this isn't just a re-upload, this is a full, extended cut that has been re-edited with more information, interview footage, etc. that was originally only available on a paid-access platform I'm no longer a part of (and re-edited this year as I said).
Second, it didn't get a whole lot of traction on main channel when it released,
Plus I'm trying to move most of my gaming/gaming-adjacent coverage over to this channel, so reviving the lost extended cut seemed like a good reason to get this video out there again. Answers a lot of the questions people have on my previous CRT videos posted to this channel.
@@lostsavesWill there also be an extended RetroTink 4k video?
That one was already an hour and did not have an extended cut lol
I'm playing Warhammer 40k on my 21 inch CRT today
YEAH!
total orgasm
Videos or its not happening...
Very excited for the extended cut. I watched the original several times.
my tubes are warm
oh baby
so is my yokes
I finally got myself a PC CRT monitor last month. It's nothing crazy, just a 17" LG F700p. But I got lucky and actually found it as new old stock, legit factory sealed. So it looks just perfect! You are one of the reasons I got interested in this topic so a huge THANK YOU! Now playing older games feel just right. Exactly like it felt when I was a kid.
And it's great as a second monitor for productivity too, btw.
NEW OLD STOCK?! Heck yes!!! I've been dying to find such a CRT, regardless of what it is. Glad you got to experience it :)
@@lostsaves thanks. It cost me an equivalent of like $30 and it survived being shipped across half the country (probably thanks to the factory packaging). So yeah, I got super lucky.
PC monitors can be super cool. I've also seen some dirt cheap listings for other LG models that have sync on green and BNC inputs - I think that would be amazing for a soft-modded PS2 with component cables.
Woah I need to find these listings
About to watch but just wanted to say I had so much fun playing F-Zero GX on my Viewsonic 17" CRT last night. Its 1280x 1024 so it does 2x in dolphin really well, but it is contrasty to a point of defect. Luckily I like that and in F-Zero's dark scenes with the bright lights it looks so cool
I miss my plasma tv. I was so sad when it started to fail on me. The movies looked like I was in a movie theatre. Regular DVD and TV looked good too.
An incredible documentary, as thorough as one could hope about not just the technical details but the intangibles of this hobby. Well done.
Thank you!
I own a Sun GDM 5410 and it is the best display I own. I love my CRT so much
OLED is trash for gaming
I've been sampling the latest OLED monitors, and they are getting interesting, I like the new 27 inch 1440p 480Hz OLED with ELMB, the trouble is, most games I play are 60Hz, so those are not much use to me, and even when you do get the full 480FPS, they still are a long way from the perfect 1:1 motion resolution CRTs have at 60Hz and over, there is also the fact they are only available in a console and film/video aspect ratio (16:9), which is a huge downgrade over 4:3 (nearly 50% less vertical resolution and real-estate), another dealbreaker, is the horrible non RGB subpixel layout they have, I like to sit close up, and I can so easily see the poor DP these modern OLEDs have, they are just not the same as RGB-OLED, they also have really poor greyscale and shadow resolution, though the new iPad Pro's Tandem-OLED goes some way to fixing that problem, so I guess that is what I shall wait for, a pure RGB-Stripe, Tandem-OLED with a nice full-fat 16:10 aspect ratio, at least 500 PPI @ 27 inches, 600Hz refresh rate with HDR rolling-scan and a proper FPGA integer scaler built in for handling multi-resolutions properly (another huge downgrade fixed pixel displays have), if only Sony would make a proper gaming Tandem-OLED monitor using their brilliant proprietary rolling-scan modulation tech used in their OLED BVM sets, those have very respectable motion-resolution @ 60Hz, and if it was available at higher refresh rates, it would be even better.
I'm in no rush though, I just got an HD Fury 4, which has incredible image quality for CRTs, it even allows colour depth upscaling for VGA and component, 36-Bit RGB 4:4:4, HDR tone mapping emulation, and 1920x1440p72Hz thanks to the triple 11-Bit 225Mhz pixel clock, it looks just incredible on my LaCie Blue IV 22, I can run the Switch, MiSTer, PS4, Steam Deck, gaming rig and so on through it with zero latency, it also has perfect gamma, shadow resolution, so I'm more than content for the next few years, I might look out for a cheap 25 inch Sony BVM-OLED though, that I can use with a GBS-C scaler, might be nice to have for some 16:9 60Hz only games, I already have a 17 inch BVM-OLED, which has that beautiful 60Hz rolling-scan, not to bad for some content, I do find it mind-boggling how far we still are from coming full circle and at least catching back up to the last gen CRT monitors, even when we see hints of something that might get us there, it either never comes out or gets killed of as it starts to take off, like SED/FED tech, Focus-Field-Drive Plasma, Mitsubishi LaserVue, Panasonic MegaCon, so we already have the technology available to completely smash past CRT tech, it's just profits are what drives the industry, more than ever in fact, gone are the days when Sony & Panasonic were constantly one-upping each other and producing real quality displays, thankfully OLED became cheap enough to satisfy the greedy execs at the top, so we at least have something that relative to LCD is serviceable as a modern display tech, all be-it a much more cut-down version of OLED that only uses one single OLED emitter (WOLED & QD-OLED), rather than the original triple RGB emitter JOLED technology that was originally introduced by Sony & Panasonic in 2012, JOLED was also originally supposed to use rolling-scan modulation, not sample & hold, but again in the name of profits, WOLED with sample & hold is what we ended up getting instead, and later QD-OLED, a slightly improved version of WOLED that uses conversion rather than a filter, still single OLED emitter though, meaning only 1 3rd of the subpixel resolution that RGB-OLED has.
Sorry for the long post, I love talking about this stuff. Only thing in tech that still keeps me interested personally.
Long post but some good information
I have a really old flat screen CRT tv that I keep for playing my retro games on. It's always my go to and was nearly a requirement when I was heavy into speed running Super Metroid
Also Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance 1 and 2 are fire. I keep my ps2 copies close!
Yesss
i'm watching this in 480i on an arcade monitor i just recapped today :)
Wow!
I main a CRT on my gaming rig, and it's amazing. I also plug my PS5 into it, and 60FPS games are BUTTER.
I'm looking forward playing some Astro Bot on this thing. Ghost of Tsushima is going to be incredible, too. It's going to be so good.
Astro Bot on a CRT is glorious
Been watching this as well on my VGA CRT. I love CRT shaders even on VGA CRTs
i don't watch tv but i do have a crt tv in the livingroom with an old modded original xbox under it for decoration lol
For decoration xD
For some reason, both AMD and NVIDIA's modern GPU drivers are weird with low screen resolutions, and you have to use Linux to force CRT monitors to run at certain resolutions and refresh rates (For example, 240p). Wayland needs an easy way of adding custom resolutions and refresh rates, but using the Steam Deck's desktop mode and some scripts makes it so I can have really nice looking scanlines in RetroArch. Might be a thing worth investigating.
If one can get custom resolutions working in the Steam Deck's Game Mode, that basically opens the door to retro gaming without needing old GPUs or outdated drivers.
I like this channel more and more. The passion for giving the best video quality is evident from the first second. I can only congratulate you for such a spectacular job and I will always look forward to new content.
Thank you for perhaps the kindest comment I’ve ever received
He's so good it is insane... I keep coming back to his videos
I have a CRT TV stored away and every time I think about using it I remember about all of its downsides and I give up on that idea. This has happened more than a couple of times already 😅.
Dude no that thing is literally gold keep it for sure play some old games on it maybe
I'd like to see comparisons with the new 480hz OLED monitors.
Still not close to crt. I like 360hz with bfi better.
I'm watching this video with my trusty Philips 107p5 (1440x1080i @162Hz), "temporarily" abandoning my Optix MAG301CR2. 👍
I switched decades ago from dual Trinitron 19" to a ridiculously expensive 60Hz IPS panel, still at 4:3. My dry eyes and migraines went away in a week. Never again CRT for me.
I agree. As much as I do miss this "smoothness" the CRTs had, I really don't miss the higher amount of migraines I got from being on it for too long, and the noise they make.
Interesting. I have 5 CRTs and each one required an adjustment period where they'd hurt my eyes for the first few days and I'd have to aclimate slowly to them. But now they don't bother me at all, even after long sessions. I wonder why.
@@butchdeadlift7551 I have no idea why tbh. I always had a speculation that the electron gun may leak through the glass despite the glass being thick as well. Although I wonder if it may be the frequency as I believe they emit around 18 KHz constantly. At least that's about the same tone I hear a TV when compared to an 18 KHz tone on RUclips.
I wish I understood this nostalgic love for these old beasts. I love a lot of ‘old’ stuff. I still buy discs (mostly 4K movies but some CDs), I still drive a stick, I still rock old school speakers and amps. But I do NOT miss CRT TVs. Enormous, dim, flicker-y monsters. Maybe it’s because I went to plasma (not LCD) and then after plasma died I eschewed LCD again in favor of front projectors.
It’s not for everyone!
Last gen CRT monitors are almost twice the full-screen brightness as QD-OLED, and on par with RGB-OLED, CRTs also hold better colour retention when at higher luminance levels, they also have much better shadow resolution and greyscale, are far less flickery than OLED as long as the CRT is over 65Hz, have incredible DP & fill-rates, have zero latency with incredible input fidelity, they have pixel perfect motion-resolution that is indistinguishable from static resolution, can hold incredible fidelity at any resolution from 240p to 1440p, nothing comes close to a CRT for gaming on, modern games or retro games, not to say OLED isn't getting much better, and we are only a few years away from 8K Tadem-OLED with 600Hz and all that good stuff, OLED is plenty good enough for most people, and to be honest, most don't know the difference, it would only be when you sit them in front of a CRT and let them direct compare CRT & OLED that they would realize just how much better high-end CRTs are, but most as I said don't have a clue, ignorance is bliss, many are happy with LCD even, it's no different to OLED in that way, it's only when most people sit in front of an OLED for the first time, they realize how much better it is over LCD, the same is true for CRT (CRT>OLED>LCD), see this gfella gushing over and showing of his CRT monitor:
ruclips.net/video/XiWHK8PFj_8/видео.html&ab_channel=ZReviews
I was hoping for CRT content on your PS2 video and am happy now haha. Great channel, subscribed.
I've got a 36" JVC D-Series, a 20" Sanyo, a 26" widescreen HD Toshiba, and a 32" 4:3 HD Toshiba. I also have a 17" el cheapo eMachines PC CRT hooked up as a second display, mainly for watching video content on. I can't imagine gaming or watching shows on anything other than a CRT. The difference is so stark (though I would like to get an OLED...).
I'm glad it's not just me, seemingly anyone who gets into CRTs winds up hoarding/collecting them. I personally have about 20 of them ranging from tiny portable B&W models to the absolutely behemoth 36FV310 and 34XBR910. And even a couple PVMs. And a few PC CRTs. Even have one where the remote is a mini version of the TV. (No, I don't have a problem😅)
While I love OLEDs, CRTs have so much charm and are still gorgeous.
Great video. One thing that is also interesting about strobed display tech and BFI/ULMB is its applicability for use with shutter glasses for 3D, since it helps to eliminate ghosting between each eye. Nvidia originally used the term 'lightboost' with 3D Vision before renaming to ULMB as they dropped stereo tech lol. I learned recently about the Generic CRT mode enabled by using the standalone 3D Vision emitter, but have yet to try it with an actual CRT (or TV, none of mine accept 120hz input). However, LCDs with low motion blur at 120Hz seem to work just fine with the glasses kit so I expect OLEDs/CRTs would be even better
People keep forgetting ED crtv’s.. zero input latency, 480P, some with progressive mode (Panasonic Acuity) and no high pitched beeping noise. EDTV are very rare, but they are the best for anything above 240P/480i
Exellent video, i really enjoyed very detailed and informative 👌
Great video! And great interviews!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Noe that was an excellent video....good job❤️
Thank you!!
OLEDs are awesome. MiSTer + RT4K plugged on a Samsung OLED is my current retrogaming setup.
This is why I love CRT televisions, they're still useful for those of us who don't wanna invest in expensive adapters and dongles.
this video really needs 240hz oled testing to feel complete, 360 and 480 are available this year as well
I actually have a old Mickey Mouse TV that I had as a kid that I still game on today. It's awesome having my steam deck connected to that TV and playing both modern and retro games on that thing. Course the only downside is some text in modern games are difficult to read lol. Anyway thanks for this video, subbed! ^^
Rad
9:40 Why did you have the TV in the power saving picture mode? That's the worst possible option.
The algo did something for once, nice video 👍
Thanks
As someone who has experimented with CRT PC gaming for about a year, using some known high end monitors (P991, G220fb, 2070SB) in the community, I must say that CRT monitors aren't the be all, end all solution that many people claim. Now that's not to say that they are overrated, they definitely are great, but it depends on what you're trying to get. Without a doubt, CRT monitors can not be beaten when it comes to input lag, and motion clarity. They can be pretty sharp, but in my experience the image is just a tad soft compared to a modern display. You can use the UFOTest to see how clear the motion is at a lower hz compared to modern display.
Of course, there's also the thing to consider the size of the display. CRTs use a lot of real estate on your desk, and if you don't have a desk with a lot of depth, you might not enjoy using a CRT as much.
LCD is nothing really to compare to CRT, but if you're interested in a CRT monitor compared to a modern display, I'd say just compare it to a OLED monitor which is pretty comparable in motion clarity
Good thing most of this video was spent discussing how compares to OLED lmao
No crt can ever be as sharp as even the lowest end early lcd, that's just the nature of analog dots and lines vs digital perfectly square-shaped pixels , if you use your desktop pc to read books a lot, it is perfectly reasonable to pick an ips monitor over a CRT.
For me, i just like the softness of CRT, i like the trade-offs, i wouldnt have it any other way except for the size, their real estate is one objective issue, and also it would be great if gpu manufacturers could support interlaced resolutions...other than that, i will always keep a flat panel around for living room purposes, but i dont see myself ever running my desktop computer on anything other than a CRT.
I think the most important thing to do with CRT Monitors in 2024 is to get interlaced resolutions working and to claibrate their brightness properly, the best benchmark for them is Resident Evil 7 !
from june to july i used a crt as my only monitor as a challenge
and im still using it
Challenge success
I have an HD CRT a JVC AV-30W777 from 2006 that can’t display the HD codec from a PS3. The users manual even says it can’t display every codec. Hoping to figure out a workaround.
I miss my Sun Microsystems CRT which was huge and had 1440x1080 resolution, but it died
RIP
I wonder what the production costs would be and how many units you could sell if someone were to do a limited run of a modern CRT TV.
How do you get around games not having 4:3 resolutions? Are there any applications that can resolve this?
I'm on the market looking for a cheap CRT monitor to play retro PC Games and I think I found one Samsung Syncmaster 793DF which looks to be fine, I'm excited to rediscover the CRT magic.
Wow! Good find!
man...how could we possibly get nvidia or amd to support interlaced resolutions over displayport? if they did that for their next gpus, it would help all crt monitors TREMENDOUSLY.
With money and attention on social media...
Is it just me or are the chapter timestamps a little off later into the video? I certainly think you've convinced me to get one when I can afford the luxuries of money, time, and space, but was having a little trouble following when I wanted to replay a section here. (e.g. 42:06 is usability, but it's mischaptered at 27:44)
Wait... what is the weird bug on the PS3 that makes it only support 720p for some games? Thats a bug?! :o... is there any way around it to your knowledge?
Wait till You try the retrotink 4k crt masks!!! Yes, even the n64 looks great on an Oled tv!
What you prefer, china plastic vs quality glass?
I’ve been playing gta v (Xbox 360 version with the composite cable the Xbox 360 came with so no adapter required plus gta v automatically changes the aspect ratio to 4:3 when the composite cable is plugged in, so no black bars or image stretching or squishing except for the rockstar logo at the beginning for some reason, I guess they forgot to adjust that) for a while now and today I decided to plug it in to my lcd tv with an hdmi cable and it was just so bad to me, turning in a car feels like I’m lugging it around compared to when I play on a crt I even thought I didn’t have game mode on so I checked but it was definitely on
I’m thinking it might be different if I plug it in using the composite cable instead (this lcd has component/composite inputs) because I played my Xbox original on it not too long ago and I don’t remember having an issue, I’ll check that out later and respond to this comment with the result
But yeah it just got me thinking, how much are we loosing with modern games because the difference in driving in gta v was substantial between the two TVs
I wanna know how rdr2 plays on it
I used to play the Xbox one on my 36 inch Samsung tv but I stopped because it’s just too hard to read the words and even with the widescreen option that the tv has it’s not wide enough so the image still gets squished a little bit
I might try it again and play some games I didn’t play last time on it
I’ve also never tried a component adapter for the Xbox one I only have an hdmi to composite/s-video but I hear it’s not that much better is that true?
I tried it and it was still pretty bad
I feel like I’m spoiled now, I can’t play my 360 (and older consoles) on anything other than a crt
31:40, is that nakatomi plaza? 😂
I assume VSYNC was off for testing with the CRT, would the assumption be that you use something like Latent Sync with a CRT? I'd be interested in the latency data of CRT monitors with VSYNC on vs some of the new high refresh rate OLED pc monitors with VSYNC on but GSYNC engaged (essentially VSYNC off)
Yeah, I've tried playing some games on a old fixed refresh rate 144Hz monitor, and the only way I found games to run smooth on it would be to use Special K's Latent Sync feature to cap the game at half refresh rate.
@@KingKrouchhave you tried RTSS scanline sync + vsync? There are some RUclips videos that make it easy to follow. I do that for games I play at 120hz on the crt
CRTs are the best for gaming especially if your playing FPS games as you need the high refresh rate to gain the advantage in competitive gaming , sadly here in the UK its very hard to find any CRT Monitors as sadly most were destroyed at the end of the 00s.I feel like we have been shafter by our govts why ? basically we traded a tried and tested tech for LCD or OLED tvs and monitors which lack colour and contrast and are not as good for gaming.
Did you just say OLED lacks colour or contrast? And doing going CRT is honestly useless, almost no top end players use them at all in any game you play and I have played plenty of games at the top on end on high end LCD and now OLEDs.
@@lilpain1997 Well the man in this video proved you wrong , Get a PVM or BVM peasant 😂
@@Cayres9 no... no he didnt. You do realise OLED has pretty much perfect contrast right? And the colours are the best on the market right now, especially QD OLED? And go look at top players set ups... None of em use CRTs as they are the point of diminishing returns over standard high end monitors nowadays.
@@lilpain1997 Dont be a know it all man lol
@@Cayres9 You made a dumb claim about colour and contrast and mentioned OLED??? You are wrong and I called that out. Same as how pretty much no competitive person uses CRT monitors as they are at the point of diminishing returns. All because you know you are wrong you call me a know it all??? Dont spread false info online then.
Shame there are barely any decent HDMI to VGA converters, I'd love to try my old monxx CRT but displayport isn't an option for me (rip in notebook).
nice video 😃👍
Thank you
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gsync pulsar seems promising
What is the OLED?
games look great on my samsung 997df 19" at 1280x960 95hz shadow mask 0.20 dot pitch, motion clarity is better then my G8 oled
Im thinking about getting a Pioneer kuro for ps2 game that drop to 25fps and using 24hz mode to if it helps with motion clarity. Mainly gta games. I love crt even some hd crts.
reupload?
That G7 Not even oled you havent seen the best modern monitors to make this Comparison
I need a wife like yours!!!
@lostsaves My OBS settings for game recording only: OBS Recording - Video-Base Canvas Resolution 3440x1440. Output {Scaled Resolution} 3440x1440. It shows a black square. Video-Base Canvas Resolution 2560x1440. Output {Scaled Resolution} 2560x1440. the same black square footage. Video-Base Canvas Resolution 3440x1440 or 2560x1440 Output {Scaled Resolution} 1920x1080 makes the video and the cars tall. Any help, please? It all happens on Grid Legends and NFS Heat.