Concerto for Horn and “Hardart”?
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
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Before I was saved, I had all his albums and attended his concerts. He capitalized on the early music craze and invented his own crazy musical instruments. You really need to be a classical music nerd, and be familiar with ancient Greek plays to catch all of his jokes. Not so sure about all of his humor being family safe.
Thanks for addressing the topic of humor in the Bible. Elijah's taunting of the prophets of Baal comes to mind. Blessings!😊🙏📖
So neat that my viewers know PDQ Bach better than I do! I'm learning some cool stuff!
Circa 1970, H&H was the usual stop for a quick, cheap dinner before heading over to Madison Square Garden for a Rangers game. Thanks, Mark. You just brought back some great memories for me from a time when I was young. 🙂
Oh wow!
Wow, man! Do you remember where that H&H was? I’m in that area often and I’m curious.
The poor guy spent his life composing, now he is decomposing 😅
Indeed.
Peter Schickele would have appreciated that!
I hadn't heard that he'd died. Another of the highlights of my youth is gone. You might be interested, according to Schickele's The Definitive Biography of P.D.Q. Bach, the Hardart "...has a range of over two almost chromatic octaves, with each successive tone possessing a different quality or timbre. The sound-producing devices include a plucked string, bottles which are blown and struck, a bicycle horn, various whistles, and a cooking timer. Windows in the center section, which can be opened after inserting the necessary coins in the slots, contain the different mallets required to play the percussion components, as well as sandwiches and pieces of pie, which are particularly welcome during long concerts. A spigot on the front serves coffee; above it is painted the inscription MINOR LABOR MATRIS (Less Work For Mother). "
AWESOME! Love this!
Born and raised with the KJV, I didn’t get the humor of 1 Kings 18 till I was into my teens years. The sarcasm was completely lost on me and I never grasped the full effect of what Elijah was doing. As a result, some of the victory was also lost on me. The chaos and desperation of the prophets of Bael were in stark contrast to the calm and reverent prayer Elijah.
I always understood "beam in your own eye" to mean a beam of wood, though I must confess that "mote" isn't a word that I'm familiar with. And despite being a trivia nerd, I wasn't familiar with Horn & Hardart until this video. See, you learn something new every day.
Good analogy and glad you discovered Peter Schickele! I didn't realize he had died.
My dad had an LP of his that I left listening to as a kid in the late '80s and well into the '90s. That, along with some Victor Borge stuff from the '50s, were very entertaining to me but it was years before I understood many of the "period-piece" jokes and I'm sure I've still missed a bunch!
I remember Borge making a joke where he was obviously "mispronouncing" Liszt, but as a kid I had never had of Schlitz beer, for example!
I was introduced to PDQ Bach by my high school music teacher in the 80s. Great video, brother. Excellent analogy and lesson to glean.
I wish someone had introduced me sooner! Thanks for the kind word, Larry!
Same! I didn't realize that Schikele had passed away. I need to listen to some of my favourites now in his memory. Sam and Janet... one I forget the name of but it will come to me... one that is definitely Baroque in style and then WOW - a trombone gliss thrown in there! Always makes me howl.
I also first heard of him in high school in the 80s, but I didn't hear enough to remember his comedy. It wasn't until maybe 14 years ago that I began listening to his works. The Ill-Conceived P.D.Q. Bach Anthology was my first introduction, and a great one for new listeners wanting a sampling of his many albums. My favorite is Oedipus Tex and Other Choral Calamities. Of course, nothing is worse than "Iphigenia in Brooklyn".
I got a kick out of his Ill-tempered Clavier, in all the keys except the really hard ones
I love that!!
He had a radio show for a long time called Schickele Mix. It was an absolutely brilliant mix of his eccentric humor and deep musical knowledge. Great memories.
As a band nerd, I did play P.D.Q. Bach in school, albeit some 20+ years after the original. And though our band director explained the humor, which gave even us kids a brief moment of levity, your description of explaining a joke is quite apropos. It was fun to play, though, partly because we felt like our parents would "get" it when we performed it. However, the band director explained the humor to them as well at some point, so we never knew what their true experience was. Tsk. Great points again here, brother! However, you may have an opportunity sometime for additional cleverly confusing Easter eggs at the Scottish restaurant to include an Irish green shake. 🤔🥴😎 Blessings!
Love this!
I can't believe my top nerdiest / niche interests are combining. I almost fell off my chair when you mentioned Peter Shickele.
I played some for my whole family yesterday and we all laughed repeatedly.
P.D.Q. Bach also wrote a concerto for an obscure baroque instrument called a windbreaker (which, he said, was odd because it looked nothing like a jacket). Think about it.
I'd rather not!!
Thank you Mark.
You're so welcome! Thank YOU!
Thank you Mark for making the KJV come alive to modern readers.
Enjoyed your post!
My pleasure!
How interesting - as always my friend I thoroughly appreciate your work and continue to ask for the LORD'S richest blessings on you and yours throughout your ministry
Thank you! You too! May the Lord bless your own teaching and writing! I have something to send you…
Brilliant theses. Very meaningful and well informed. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Peter Schickele was absolutely brilliant. He built an entire career on the basis of J.S. Bach's proclivity for having children, some of which became composers themselves. I was very fortunate to see his show many years ago when I was a student. During that show was a performance of his short opera "The Magic Bassoon." I highly recommend checking out his full-length opera "The Abduction of Figaro."
I love The Magic Bassoon! I laughed out loud at the coffee shop I'm sitting in!
PDQ was said to be the last and most illegitimate of JS Bach's sons. Always humorous with odd instrumentation - the Lasso D'Amore, the Nose Flute, etc.
I purchased most, if not all, of the PDQB albums over the years and even one of the rare early Schickele non-PDQB LPs. From one of his books I learned that he attended Juilliard at the same time as Philip Glass and that Glass helped pen part of The Sanka Cantata ( a decaf version of The Coffee Cantata by JSB).
Search RUclips for his "Houston We Have A Problem" concert. He also did several appearances with the Boston Pops Orchestra.
Awesome! And Philip Glass is probably my favorite composer by minutes of listening.
@@markwardonwordsPhilip Glass is a favorite of mine, within the category of minimalist and serial composers at least. Look up Mike Oldfield's cover of Glass' "North Star". (Oldfield has also been a favorite unusual composer that I've followed over the years).
@@markwardonwords - as a fan of Philip Glass, you should certainly lookup the PDQ Bach composition "Prelude To Einstein On The Fritz". Obviously the title is a reference to "Einstein On The Beach" by Philip Glass (I have the original 5 LP boxed set), but musically, it refers to Koyaanisqatsi.
Peter Schickele, Weird Al and Spike Jones have made the musical world a better place.
and then there is I.B. Bach.... a killer robot from the future with an Austrian accent.
I thought that son’s first name was Allby.
another great video, Mark, by the way, name pronounced SchikuhLee
Thanks for the info! Not sure where I got my pronunciation… Probably just guessed!
Loved PDQ since the '70s. Hilarious! Iphigenia in Brooklyn!
The excitement of my commenters has me thinking I need to dive in!
Those who reject today’s English translations because of the warning of Revelation 22:19 should also note the warning of Revelation 22:18: “If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.” Both of these warnings are valid, but they are not about text criticism with its attempt to construct as closely as possible the original text of the New Testament.
Right! How do KJV-Onlyists know they aren't adding to God's word?
@@markwardonwords I Grew up in a UPC church that was KJV only. Now they prefer the KJV but admit that modern translations are more accurate. Go figure.
The NEB is funnier than the NLT:
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye, with never a thought for the great plank in your own? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye', when all the time there is that plank in your own? You hypocrite! First take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s."
Yes, good!
I grew up on the KJV. I was an adult when i learned that a mote wasn't a "moat" which obviously brought clarity to the passage but im sure most bus kids know exactly what a mote is unlike me. 😉
Are you serious!
@markwardonwords very serious. Lol I never bothered to look it up. I just let it exist. Then one day I was like this doesn't even make sense.
I thought beam had something to do with like the beam from a drawbridge over a moat.
I'm not exactly sure how I interpreted but later I understood that mote meant speck and not moat. I just don't think I ever thought to look it up until I realized it didn't make sense to me.
I vaguely recall eating at an automat location in downtown Chicago when I was perhaps 4 years old but the Horn & Hardart joke has passed over my head for all these years.
So far as the mote translation, I think I would like to see it rendered as "a bit of sawdust when you have a tree" so that the problem is "wood" in either case - just a question of how much. A sort of can't see the forest for the trees analogy.
There are so many wordplays where modern audiences won't catch the meaning. I saw a science fiction movie where an alien said "he's been mesmerized!" which makes no sense because an alien would have known nothing of Franz A Mesmer. The average person dealing with hermeneutics thinks nothing about how Hermes was the interpreter for the pagan gods - they will think it is a Christian term. A person can be faced with "A Hobson's Choice" without ever having seen the 1953 movie.
Such an interesting analogy. If you don't know what does and doesn't belong in various "classical" music from all the eras, then you don't understand the humour in what they feature in their parodies. If you don't know "Some Enchanted Evening" then "Sam And Janet" won't be funny. When we don't fully understand the context and language usage, we will miss out on so much of the intended meaning. It doesn't mean we shouldn't explore and continue learning, but we should be relying on helpful resources and experts to help us muddle our way through to a clearer understanding. Also, I enjoy that you use the British accent to quote KJV. It's fun.
Just re-listening to my favourite album: PDQ Bach: Classical WTWP Talkity-Talk Radio. Track 3. Throw all the jazzzzzzzzy major 7ths and tri-tones into the Baroque. Just so funny.
Excellent comments. Love this.
That was a fun lesson for sure
I'm guessing it's one of those instruments listed in Daniel 3.
I was not careful to answer you in this matter. Maybe somewhere there is a concerto for psaltery and sackbut.
Ha! Love this, Justin!
1. Unfortunately, there is no live video performance of P.D.Q. Bach's Concerto for Horn & Hardart available on youtube, only live audio recordings.
2. Although you can glean some of the humor from the audio, the visuals at Peter Schickele's live concerts were key to his success, in that anyone including non-musicians could intuitively and immediately react to the stage antics.
3. Fortunately, there are some of P.D.Q.'s other works performed by Schickele in live video available on youtube, so you can get a better idea of what this artistic madness was all about.
4. And since, according to Schickele, P.D.Q. Bach lived in Leipzig, Germany from 1807 - 1742?, like his contemporary George Friedrich Handel who composed the celebrated oratorio The Messiah, he may very well have been fluent in English.
5. Therefore, if the King James Bible was good enough for P.D.Q. Bach & G.F. Handel, then that's good enough for me.
Point 4 made me laugh out loud. Love this. Looks like I need to track down one of those videotaped performances.
There's one on youtube titled P.D.Q. Bach in Houston: We Have a Problem! (FULL) that clocks in at 1:42:15. It might be good in Bellingham with a belly full of ham, since the final work on the program is the oratorio The Seasonings.
I just watched Mel Brooks documentary about the Automat and I missed the name.
Fascinating!
One could easily summarize those verses like such: "You worry about yourself". :)
I watched your video “Is Strong’s Concordance Part of a Conspiracy to Understand KJV? “. I heard you say the Vines Dictionary was irresponsible. I tried to look on your website for a recommended dictionary and did not see any (probably my fault). I’ve looked into Logos, but it is very expensive for someone retired. Is there a dictionary like Strong’s & Vines (both Hebrew & Greek) you recommend? Sorry for the wordy question. Thank you for all you do.
This is an excellent question. Semanticdictionary.org is where I’d send you.
Thank you so very much!
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana"
;)
French fries like Mickey D's.
um, got close but no cigar. I think the H&H reference was to their celebrated Automat, a pay-as-you-go cafeteria imported from Germany. Gone now, but making a comeback in Germany and the Netherlands so maybe one day we'll have some over here.😀
Fascinating!
Good grief how did you not know this guy 😂
Mark, do you have a list (which of course would be continually growing)
for all "false friends" that you have found in the KJV?
How about for the meanings of all the archaic words?
Thank you.
I do, sort of. This site is NOT READY FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION, but a basic list is up now: kjvfalsefriends.com.
@@markwardonwords
Thank you.
Blessings and love to you and your family.
My question is always this - If we will never get to the point of being able to fully experience the nuances of the language of the 16th and very early 17th century translators, why not spend all of our precious time with a contemporary translation? To me, it's a waste of time to even try to learn an antiquated style of language, when there is a perfectly good alternative at my disposal. It is time that could be much better spent in a copy of the Word that is translated into a language that is native to my mind. And yes, I had to read Shakespeare back in English Lit class, and I felt it to be a complete bore, and a waste of time that could have been better spent in much more productive educational persuits. Instead of trying to read the language of the KJV, how about you spend that time learning at least a smidgen of Greek? I know that you are a language nerd, and that's one of the things that we love about you, but as for me, I would rather invest my time in Logos and a few good, modern translations than to try to grasp the meaning of a translation that is fast slipping into obscurity.
Remembering our literary forebears is a key part of ensuring that we don't lose all sense of cultural history beyond the present. Additionally, we would lose the ability to pick up allusions to the Bible from many 20th century literary works if we totally scrapped the KJV (and the Book of Common Prayer). There's a reason why the translators of the RSV and NKJV were so determined to retain the character of their Early Modern ancestor: that's what "the Bible sounds like" to English ears, and when the Bible stops "sounding like the Bible" at all, the continuity with generations past is lost.
A speck can look like a plank if it is in your own eye.
Classical? You should hear Dimash singing a vocalization of Ave Maria. 😊
Yo tambien soy ignorante.
Hardart.... my guess: if it's horn and hardart I'm guessing some sort of string instrument to compliment the wind instrument. Maybe a type of piano.
And I couldn't have been more wrong 😆
Me too!
Hardart? Horn and Hardat was a celebrated restaurant chain that launched the Automat, a pay-as-you-go cafeteria
@@wolteraartsma1290 You got it! a) How old are you? and b) how did you know this? I'm curious!
What's an automat? Does it wipe your feet for you? 🇬🇧
Have to wonder how their food was…
My guess for what a hardart is. A hardart is a woodwind instrument that looks a little like a snake
Good guess!!
Mark, I think I found a false friend. How do I get to you?
Is a translation a true translation if it fails to translate?
There are some phrases that cannot be translated simply and directly. Different languages 'think' in different ways.
@@davidchilds9590 so true
Is "Gopher Wood" a failure to translate? Did you know that sackcloth in the KJV is just a SAQ in the Hebrew? Even Baptism is pretty much just a transliteration from the Greek rather than an actual translation.
@@DanielbenYishai
This isn’t coming from me but I did hear once that gopherwood was a style of weaving like tongue in groove.
The issue that I have with the KJB isn’t the words you know you don’t understand but rather the ones that you think you know but are now being used in a different sense.
@@michealferrell1677 - the point you are missing here is that the Hebrew is literally עצי־גפר "wood of Gofer" - they didn't "translate" the word Gofer, they left it untranslated because they didn't know what was meant.
He pronounced his name "SHIK e LEE."
Yes, I got this wrong!
Oh boy, here comes the "experts" stuff again. I just love when you do that, because we all know that you set yourself up as an expert. And so, we need to accept you as an authority. Oh boy. Weak.
Are we sure this was even a joke? I don't feel like Jesus in Matthew was trying to be funny, though I can see how some might think He was.
The word "beam" in the Bible is (as far as I can recall) referring to something large made of wood, such as a beam in the Temple. And a mote, while not a common word, I think the context would prove it would have to be something small-which it is.
The problem I see is that after a joke is told once or twice it's not as funny, if funny at all. I remember once watching a sermon and the preacher said one of the funniest things I've ever heard, but after the 2nd time listening to it, it lost its "funny-ness." In the same way, even if you don't "get the joke," it doesn't really matter as after a few times of getting-the-joke, it will become unfunny.
This is not unreasonable, not at all. I wonder if commentators over the centuries have generally seen humor here or not. I have not taken a look!
And what you describe later on is indeed what's happened with the beam-and-mote passage: I don't laugh now, certainly, even though I recognize that there's potential/actual humor!
I'm sure you're blocking my comments, because no one ever likes or responds. Can't take criticism? Most Fundamentalists can't.
Not blocking, my friend!
Interesting per usual. Appreciate the insight.
Thanks for watching!