This work is actually technically not as challenging as many of the Trio Sonatas. Yes there's a lot of sheet music to read, but relatively low tempo and the lack of different rhythms in voices makes this work quite doable in technical performance.
@@daanmollema6366 Yes, I realize that the Trio Sonatas present some challenges that are perhaps even greater. I will take your word for it that this piece is 'doable' - for many top-level organists; for those of us on a more modest level, it's a different matter. (I accept that I should really have said 'impossibly difficult for people like me' 😁)
@@daanmollema6366 The main difficulty in this piece appears to be that the organist must have enough stamina to survive to the end, lest the organist get crushed by an overbearing registration. (That and the double-pedal.) The “Vater Unser im Himmelreich” for two manuals and pedal (BWV 682) is perhaps even harder than this piece. There, you are faced with trio texture in a canonical/contrapuntal “stranglehold” that goes on and on and on. Or, consider the “Jesus Christus Unser Heiland, der von uns den Gotteszorn wandt” for two manuals and pedal (BWV 688), which features trio texture with tricky rhythms.
@@padraicfanning7055i don’t understand how organists can survive when they play this music. As a listener i’m always near to be totaly absorbed by this music. Hopefuly Bach is good for mental health ( except some pieces like var 26 of the goldberg or fantaisie BWV 542 )
perfect clarity, yeah . thanks to the rich overtone registration with 2’, 1⅗’, 1⅓’ and further, we hear after entrance of the third part, the harmony just clearly, the soprano and alto part however scarcely ; it could be a pity that Bach's clear counterpoint getting down, or up? to some extent, to the so called Organistenmusik, music for the connaisseur.
There is no work of Bach written in stile antico I'm not surprised of. But this piece is something else, amazing strettos and last but not least the most difficult passages of Bach's organ music technically. Bravo!
Wunderschöne und tiefempfundene Aufführung dieses kompakten doch perfekt komponierten Meisterwerks im gut betrachteten Tempo mit klaren doch warmherzigen Tönen der historischen Orgel und mit perfekt kontrollierter Dynamik. Einfach wunderbar!
To sing along with the chorale underlying this piece: 1. Aus tiefer Not schrei ich zu dir, 1. Out of the depths I cry to you, Herr Gott, erhör mein Rufen, God, listen to my praying; Dein gnädig Ohren kehr zu mir, Open your gracious ears to me Und meiner Bitt sie öffnen! And hear now what I'm saying. Denn so du willst das sehen an, For if You looked at everyone, Was Sünd und Unrecht ist getan, What sin and evil deeds we’ve done, Wer kann, Herr, vor dir bleiben? Who, Lord, could stand before you? from The Bach Hymnbook www.youtube.com/@BachHymnbook1750
Well, Bach would have known all the stanzas; here's the last one: 5. Ob bei uns ist der Sünden viel, 5. However great our sins may be, Bei Gott ist viel mehr Gnade; God's grace is even greater. Sein Hand zu helfen hat kein Ziel, His hand alone can set us free, Wie groß auch sei der Schade. Despite how far we've fallen. Er ist allein der gute Hirt, He's our Good Shepherd, He alone Der Israel erlösen wird Will ransom Israel, His own, Aus seinen Sünden allen. From all her sins and failing.
Hello my Bach-hero! Dont ever think about leaving me! I am an bach-organ- lover! And i am about to get a tattoo of Bachs signum with you and 542 in my mind ..i listen very much at your pieces and i love them! Thank you Mr for making my life enyoyable...🙏🤗
Leo van Doeselaar transposed it a whole tone down. Because otherwise he would have had troubles with the compass of the pedal board (up to c' only). Nice playing!
Like in almost every recording of this piece, the second pedal line is not audible. The only recording I know where it is properly heard is Lionel Rogg's recording in 1970, on the Arlesheim Silbermann organ. Sorry to have to criticise a NBS recording, but there it is.
Altnikol (Bach‘s son-in-law) was actually right in writing, that Silbermann-organs with a Pedal compass till only c‘ are not suitable for many organ pieces by his father-in-law. Very often you can find good alternative solutions, but in this case with the cantus firmus in the tenor it is actually impossible to play it untransposed here. Either not playing this incredible piece of music in Freiberg or transposing it into d Minor. Because of the ‚Chorton‘ in Freiberg (a‘=465 Hz) it does mean that it now sounds e Minor in Kammerton (415 Hz). Only the played key does sound a little bit less ‚notschreiend‘ than e minor in the slightly adjusted Silbermann-temperament in the Freiberger Dom (cathedral). The cantus firmus is played in the Weckmann-manner, i.e. uncoupled, but at the same time manualiter and pedaliter.
Hey, thanks for all this information! I am still a bit curious, as I know Koopman has recorded the piece on this organ too and noticed it sounded different. What other pieces does Altnikol suggest one not play on this organ?
@@MitchBoucherComposer If you want to play it with real organo pleno (incl.full pedal with 32‘) there is no other choice, I am afraid. Altnikol made a general statement about disadvantages of Silbermann-organs for Bach‘s organ literature, a.o. about the limited compasses of manual and (especially) pedal.
something I don't understand: no filming of the organ itself ! Probably very beautiful, for sure more than organist's shoes,lol! WHy not show church and the instrument ?
Those of us who play the organ might complain if we didn't get to see the technical execution! Pictures of the organ are probably easy enough to find on the internet, however. I suppose in the end that a considerable proportion of the audience for this channel are musicians.
@@yuryhabrus The compass in the pedal only goes up to the C. It needs to go up to the D in order to play this piece in the original key. Hence, the transposition.
A massif work with 6 voices (double pedal) One of the most powerful chorals written by Bach. Bravo Maestro !
As usual, Maestro van Doeselaar gives a magisterial performance - of an almost impossibly difficult, but very wonderful, work.
This work is actually technically not as challenging as many of the Trio Sonatas. Yes there's a lot of sheet music to read, but relatively low tempo and the lack of different rhythms in voices makes this work quite doable in technical performance.
@@daanmollema6366 Yes, I realize that the Trio Sonatas present some challenges that are perhaps even greater. I will take your word for it that this piece is 'doable' - for many top-level organists; for those of us on a more modest level, it's a different matter. (I accept that I should really have said 'impossibly difficult for people like me' 😁)
@@johnerskine8367 I join you in that, as a co-amateur organist 😃 cheers!
@@daanmollema6366 The main difficulty in this piece appears to be that the organist must have enough stamina to survive to the end, lest the organist get crushed by an overbearing registration. (That and the double-pedal.)
The “Vater Unser im Himmelreich” for two manuals and pedal (BWV 682) is perhaps even harder than this piece. There, you are faced with trio texture in a canonical/contrapuntal “stranglehold” that goes on and on and on. Or, consider the “Jesus Christus Unser Heiland, der von uns den Gotteszorn wandt” for two manuals and pedal (BWV 688), which features trio texture with tricky rhythms.
@@padraicfanning7055i don’t understand how organists can survive when they play this music. As a listener i’m always near to be totaly absorbed by this music. Hopefuly Bach is good for mental health ( except some pieces like var 26 of the goldberg or fantaisie BWV 542 )
Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music 🎶
Thus were the words of Rachmaninov, one of my favourite composers.
This is an interesting example of "severe" style within the third part of Bach's ""clavierübung". It is rendered with a perfect clarity.
perfect clarity, yeah .
thanks to the rich overtone registration with 2’, 1⅗’, 1⅓’ and further, we hear after entrance of the third part, the harmony just clearly, the soprano and alto part however scarcely ; it could be a pity that Bach's clear counterpoint getting down, or up? to some extent, to the so called Organistenmusik, music for the connaisseur.
amazing to think that bach himself could play that
There is no work of Bach written in stile antico I'm not surprised of. But this piece is something else, amazing strettos and last but not least the most difficult passages of Bach's organ music technically. Bravo!
Wunderschöne und tiefempfundene Aufführung dieses kompakten doch perfekt komponierten Meisterwerks im gut betrachteten Tempo mit klaren doch warmherzigen Tönen der historischen Orgel und mit perfekt kontrollierter Dynamik. Einfach wunderbar!
whatever this man plays, it sounds astonishing !!
One of my absolute favourits from dritter Teil Clavierübung.
To sing along with the chorale underlying this piece:
1. Aus tiefer Not schrei ich zu dir, 1. Out of the depths I cry to you,
Herr Gott, erhör mein Rufen, God, listen to my praying;
Dein gnädig Ohren kehr zu mir, Open your gracious ears to me
Und meiner Bitt sie öffnen! And hear now what I'm saying.
Denn so du willst das sehen an, For if You looked at everyone,
Was Sünd und Unrecht ist getan, What sin and evil deeds we’ve done,
Wer kann, Herr, vor dir bleiben? Who, Lord, could stand before you?
from The Bach Hymnbook www.youtube.com/@BachHymnbook1750
Thank you!
Well, Bach would have known all the stanzas; here's the last one:
5. Ob bei uns ist der Sünden viel, 5. However great our sins may be,
Bei Gott ist viel mehr Gnade; God's grace is even greater.
Sein Hand zu helfen hat kein Ziel, His hand alone can set us free,
Wie groß auch sei der Schade. Despite how far we've fallen.
Er ist allein der gute Hirt, He's our Good Shepherd, He alone
Der Israel erlösen wird Will ransom Israel, His own,
Aus seinen Sünden allen. From all her sins and failing.
Thanks
Bach is just great, Perfect.
Oh, well that was just so good; I could see Bach at the console through you.
Just....excellent.
Thankyou!
Saisissante interprétation ! La photo des visages impressionnants donne une intensité particuliere. Merci et bravo. Cordialement Olivier
Hello my Bach-hero! Dont ever think about leaving me! I am an bach-organ- lover! And i am about to get a tattoo of Bachs signum with you and 542 in my mind ..i listen very much at your pieces and i love them! Thank you Mr for making my life enyoyable...🙏🤗
Caro Maestro, lei è uno dei miei organisti preferiti!!! 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Bravo! To mr Van Doeselaar and mr Bach!
What a Masterfully played masterpiece ❤️
*Amazing performance;sonsuza dek BACH!.. Kutlarız.* 👏🎼👏🎶👏🤝♾✔
Bravo Herr Van Doeselaar!
Well it was wonderful.
Maravilloso el organo y Don Leo espectacular ❤.
FANTASTIC 💯🎵🪄
Thanks 🌟
👌Wonderful! Thanks!
Wow, it's complicated performance perfectly executed! Thank you so much.
Leo van Doeselaar transposed it a whole tone down. Because otherwise he would have had troubles with the compass of the pedal board (up to c' only). Nice playing!
Bravo!
woderful performance and video! thank you
HERMOSO
Muchas gracias, de corazón
Like in almost every recording of this piece, the second pedal line is not audible. The only recording I know where it is properly heard is Lionel Rogg's recording in 1970, on the Arlesheim Silbermann organ. Sorry to have to criticise a NBS recording, but there it is.
I guess Bach decided that he had two hands and two feet and he should make use of all of them.
This is the kind of thing he would say
Come play in Trier ❤️
A beautiful performance, , Leo!
Has anyone else wondered why/if the score is transposed? Is this being performed in D minor rather than E minor?
Altnikol (Bach‘s son-in-law) was actually right in writing, that Silbermann-organs with a Pedal compass till only c‘ are not suitable for many organ pieces by his father-in-law. Very often you can find good alternative solutions, but in this case with the cantus firmus in the tenor it is actually impossible to play it untransposed here. Either not playing this incredible piece of music in Freiberg or transposing it into d Minor. Because of the ‚Chorton‘ in Freiberg (a‘=465 Hz) it does mean that it now sounds e Minor in Kammerton (415 Hz). Only the played key does sound a little bit less ‚notschreiend‘ than e minor in the slightly adjusted Silbermann-temperament in the Freiberger Dom (cathedral). The cantus firmus is played in the Weckmann-manner, i.e. uncoupled, but at the same time manualiter and pedaliter.
Hey, thanks for all this information! I am still a bit curious, as I know Koopman has recorded the piece on this organ too and noticed it sounded different.
What other pieces does Altnikol suggest one not play on this organ?
@@MitchBoucherComposer If you want to play it with real organo pleno (incl.full pedal with 32‘) there is no other choice, I am afraid. Altnikol made a general statement about disadvantages of Silbermann-organs for Bach‘s organ literature, a.o. about the limited compasses of manual and (especially) pedal.
I was thinking of that at first look on the score then I realized it was written in the Phrygian mode.
Ah, thanks for reminding me of that too--I always forget that it's in a mode.
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Wat zou hij er van vinden?
something I don't understand: no filming of the organ itself ! Probably very beautiful, for sure more than organist's shoes,lol! WHy not show church and the instrument ?
Those of us who play the organ might complain if we didn't get to see the technical execution! Pictures of the organ are probably easy enough to find on the internet, however. I suppose in the end that a considerable proportion of the audience for this channel are musicians.
@@Sathrandurindeed we are
Why the piece is transposed?
It's written in the Phrygian mode
@@schrysafis yes, it is. But I wonder why mr. Doeselaaar plays from the score, transposed a whole tone down?
@@yuryhabrus The compass in the pedal only goes up to the C. It needs to go up to the D in order to play this piece in the original key. Hence, the transposition.
Bach did not write for Silbermann's organs.
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sure sounds like a hair shirt! i always wish the English translation of the title was in the description
From deep distress I scream/call to you
Из глубины взываю...
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