In the Prog Seat: Songs That Suck From Bands We Love
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- Join the In the Prog Seat crew as they talk about some songs they dislike from their favorite prog bands.
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Even though I'm not the biggest prog fan in the world, the panelists make this show a must see every week. Love these guys!
Pete, would love to see you host a prog quiz show with these guys one day, and crown the ultimate prog nerd, hahaha.
Brilliant idea ...a live quiz would be spot on .
One idea - each of the guests hosts their own round. (This means everyone gets a turn writing questions and Pete can participate too. You obviously can’t score points on the round you host, but everyone will still face the same total number of questions.)
@@kayfimt7769 Link to the prog/fusion quiz here : ruclips.net/video/trP6adClGbg/видео.html
I would like to see "Songs we love from bands we hate".
Ken’s dramatic reading of A Taste Of My Love made me cry laughing.
Maybe it should be called a traumatic reading, lol
I bet he wouldn't have blinked an eye had it been a Whitesnake lyric though.
When Ken read the first verse, I knew immediately what the song is. However, I didn't realize the lyrics get worse, which makes it funny as hell when he reads it so seriously.
I would probably take A Taste of My Love over anything on In The Hot Sea
I Can't Dance by Genesis is the song for me that completely made me cringe especially when the three of them do that silly walk behind each other 🤦🏻♂️ Still hard to believe that this was the same band that made the classic Lamb Lies Down On Broadway album from the 70s
Well, to be fair, they no longer had the talents of Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett by then so it was the same BRAND, but by no means the same BAND.
Banks will stand behind “I can’t dance”. However, he does not like the lyrics to Lamb Lies Down. ?????? Crazy egotistical ass
That song! Imagine if it was the only Genesis someone heard ..
Yes, they lost their 'corn antennae' when Gabriel and Hackett left. The remaining members were happy with MOR.
Those pop Genesis songs put me off them for years. My mom played that stuff all the time when I was a kid, so I hated Genesis for years until my mid 20's when I found out they were a prog band in the 70's.
PETE, pure TROOPER, sick and all , for must see TUESDAY television!!
I will say even with the opinions I disagreed on, I laughed like crazy throughout. Pete, you had me in stitches as you sang and danced to I Can't Dance.
Once again, some of the songs I absolutely adore got called out and I was delighted. I couldn't stop laughing.
It's so strange how music works differently for different people. I understand that someone might dislike the second half on After the ordeal, but it gives me goosebumps every time I hear it. It's a quintessential Hackett solo.
Aww, no, Chuck, how can you pick on a charming little ditty like The Venture?! I've always wished it was longer 😀
What a fun show, thanks to all! Hats off to Pete for not cancelling, looked like the banter lifted his spirit a bit at least.
There's an extended version that's about :50 longer with guitar feedback as the ending.
I understand where Chuck is coming from kind of. But I don't HATE it.
And those songs sound great in studio versions.
Awesome record.
I didn't realise "everyone picks on Islands" by King Crimson. I've had the title track on repeat all night many times. Sometimes, no other song in the world will do! I love it that much.
Islands is a beautiful album. Maybe the most overlooked King Crimson album.
1. RUSH - Tai Shan (The King of all Flaming Turds!)
2. PINK FLOYD - Corporal Clegg
3. GENESIS - Your Own Special Way (and everything from We Can't Dance)
"We Can't Dance" has some good deeper tracks, like "Dreaming While You Sleep."
Corporal Clegg is great though
Your Own Special Way is not special. It kinda makes me barf.
I kinda like "follow you follow me" but you are absolutely correct--I think they saw the money this song brought in and the death of Genesis was set.
Luis's sarcasm on Phil Collins not being able to dance killed me lol
My picks are:
1. Genesis- "Land of Confusion" (Mainly because of the video.) and I Can't Dance
2. Emerson, Lake & Palmer- Toccatta
3. Pink Floyd- Any song from the Ummagumma studio album
Land Of Confusion Is. Great Song
The video was way too funny!
Have to say...best episode EVER!! Waaaaay too many amazing laughs to pick out one highlight. Everyone gets top billing. Now...excuse me...I have to watch all over again... 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks Colin
@@ericporter344 Pleasure, fella. It was carnage out there... 😄
I am not an expert on prog, however i am starting to get more and more in to it.
Really enjoy these rant shows
Pure enjoyment!
Well done everyone
👍
Thanks Vernon
@@ericporter344
No problem Eric!
The only one I disagree with is the pick of Momentary Lapse Of Reason, I think those songs were incredible especially live.
Terrible boring disappointing tedious album .
Yeah, some songs from that album really shine on a live context
I agree. Love that album and live the stuff was even better.
I know it's a favorite of many. I saw those tours and they were just awful. YMMV Cheers!
1) Prism - A So Bi Ma Sho (1982)
2) Return To Forever - Children’s Song (1973)
3) David Sancious & Tone - Prelude #3 (1978)
I love In The Prog Seat and wish I was on it! I love everybody but Chuck and Luis crack me up.
Genesis took quite a beating on this episode, didn't they?
Hearing Ken read those lyrics to the Emerson, Lake & Palmer tune was truly painful. I don't mind the closing track to And Then There Were Three, even if it isn't among my top picks on there. Agree about the Yes tune, but, then again, Tormato was never a favorite of mine. Furthermore, I lean a tad closer to Luis in that Yes is not really one of my top favorite progressive rock bands.
Oh, and it must be said that I'm fully with Chuck on VdGG: Ever since a certain episode posted (we all know it), the first thing that pops into my mind when that band comes up in these videos (or when I listen to them) is George's 'Asshat' comment; Months later, and I am STILL laughing!
Fun show, guys.
They did, but that many of us consider them a favorite band! It is interesting to hear these various choices
As soon as Hackett left the number of terrible songs skyrocketed.
@@63mckenzie I went straight Prog era.
@@chuckazeee Yeah, too many to pick from in the latter years!
Great episode, guys!!!
As aye, a brilliant outing. I absolutely love when my favourite, creative, knowledgeable, musically positive SoT team, turn negative! 😄 Negativity never sounded so creative...
King Crimson - Providence. Puts a dead stop to the Red album, which otherwise is perfect
Pink Floyd - Seamus the Dog
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells. I used to love it, but for some reason, I can't get through it now
3. Genesis - Scenes From a Night's Dream, 2. King Crimson - Ladies of the Road. 1. Yes - Soft as a Dove.
Scenes From a Night's Dream is probably my favourite song from And Then There Were Three... :)
@@einarassipavicius1991 I'd probably like it more if it was an instrumental, I can't get passed the lyrics. There's a b-side from that period I wish had taken the place of Night's Dream, The Day The Light Went Out.
I don't care for "A Venture" much either. It sounds like a leftover track from "Time And A Word". At the fadeout section you can hear Steve Howe bust out a solo. If that was left in it might have been better.
YES - Teakbois, Circus of Heaven, Arriving UFO
RUSH - Rivendell and 3/4 of the songs on Presto, Roll the Bones, Counterparts and Snakes & Arrows
THE FLOWER KINGS - Mommy Leave the Light On, Bavarian Skies
Sounds like you don’t like Rush. :)
@@1981fitz A lot of the hair metal maniacs hate Rush with utter passion.
Arriving UFO is ok tune. Tormato is underrated. Love Release, Release
you could do, songs you like from bands you don't
ELP: Benny The Bouncer, The Sherriff, Are You Ready Eddy, Jeremy Bender. Works.
Those are intended to be fun songs like Rocky Racoon or other nonsense songs. Taste of My Love is utterly hideous. WTF were you thinking, Greg? Channeling your inner Robert Plant or Brett Michaels?
Thanks everybody, not heard some of the tracks mentioned going to give these tracks a listen.
Enjoy.... or maybe not! Thanks for watching!!
This video is giving me lots of ideas for songs to play Luis while we're on a tour roadtrip - so thanks, everyone! :) Hot Mango Flush, here we come.
My only consolation is that the punishment will also be for you.
😂😂😂😂
Those lyrics from Elp just made my day! I had never paid attention to them and that could have been on a Kiss record (I love Kiss!), but coming from Lake & Sinfield...that's very poetic! :-) :-) :-) Cheers.
You guys absolutely crack me up!! Really funny show especially Chuck and Steve
Thanks Kelvin!
Thanks Kevin 👍
why are here, because we're here. roll the bones. roll the bones. why does it happen, because it happens. roll the bones.
❤ that song. roll the bones. Another great show lads.
p.s. I also ❤ momentary lapse of reason.
The nadir of Master Neil's lyrics!
Great show as always.
I think the phrase of the show "say what you mean " lol
I like “Learning to Fly”
Many people do. Not me. Not even a little.
@@lahloonatic I will admit, there’s some crap on that album.
That was on ELPowell, and I love that one! (I love birds, like I love GSL)
I'm surprised everyone agreed that Space Dye Vest is a bad song. I get that it might feel repetitive and that the samples could be annoying but man, it's pretty alright for me, I dig the musical theme. I'd argue that there are worse songs on that record, mainly due to Labrie's vocals and some boring compositions. I can't stand Caught In A Web ("It's got a great unison solo and a good riff" good solos does not great music make), Voices is some of the worst high pitched Labrie vocals. Scarred, 6:00, Lie, great solos and vocals, I really like this record but I can't agree on that song being bad.
Another great show guys. Best show on RUclips. 👍👍👍
Thanks David!
Thanks David!
Hey guys isn't it great that bands we love to bits can put out stinkers lol
“It’s 11 minutes of wanking!” OMG 😂😂😂
A bit surprised at the comment on this podcast that one of the contributors made saying they didn’t like / rate Mike Rutherford as a guitarist .
I saw Steve Hackett on his “ Selling England by the pound “ tour and his playing was sublime and made this one of my all time favourite concerts that I’ve been to .
I was lucky enough to see Genesis recently at The 02 ,London on The last domino tour .
Guitar duties were shared between Mike Rutherford and Daryl Stuermer .
I always liked Daryl’s playing but after having seen Steve Hackett , there was no comparison to him by Daryl.
Whilst Mike is not technically as good as Steve , I think he’s a very good guitarist a good example of that is his playing on Home by the sea / 2nd home by the sea on this recent Genesis tour .
It was nice to see him at times be slightly a bit aggressive in his playing , you could say that he now plays with a bit more passion / emotion as he realises he probably will never play these Genesis songs again .
Btw. I’ve seen Mike Rutherford twice before in his band Mike and the Mechanics and I’ve always enjoyed his playing .
For me, Automotive Engineering and Tall Thin Girl by Jethro Tull both have me reaching for the sick bucket.
Fantastic show guys!!!
22:55 nice to see some drummer love! 🤘 thanks on behalf of all of us drummers, Chuck haha
1) ELP "Nobody Loves You Like I Do" says:
"You can rent your blues and photograph your soul
You can even dig some diamonds out of rock'n roll
You can change the world
But if you lose control
They will take away your T-shirt"
Take away your T-Shirt.... really, yikes! Should have worked on that lyric just a bit more.
2) Focus - I Need A Bathroom from Mother Focus WOW!
3) Genesis - Illegal Alien: it's frankly just offensive (especially that video)
GREAT SHOW GUYS, PLEASE DO A PART TWO.
1) Genesis - Misunderstanding
2) Yes - Don't Kill The Whales
3) ELP - Still You Turn Me On (specifically the someone get me a ladder lyric)
My criteria is that it had to be from an album that I actually own, so no post-Duke Genesis or anything from Love Beach.
I understand that Misunderstanding is probably one of Genesis's least progressive songs ever, but I kinda have a soft spot for it.
I like "Still You Turn Me On" but I agree with you about the "Ladder" lyric. My least favorite song by them is "Toccatta". It's just a bunch of noise. I wouldn't mind that one if it wasn't so long.
Aw, cut Sinfield some slack! Greg Lake could sing stock market quotes and make them sound like poetry.
I really like 'Follow You Follow Me'. As Pete says now and then, we all hear things differently. It's actually my favourite song out of all their popular hits.
Agreed, it's the best of their hits. Quite a lovely song.
@@nectarinedreams7208 I think it's because it's at the point where Genesis were between their progressive musical phase and popular musical phase. That is, the song is a pop song but retains some progressive elements. That combination can catch a wider audience. Having said that, they progressively lost their prog after that...
You've got to be kidding me, syrupy, non Genesis, drive.
Jethro Tull - Under Wraps part 1, Yes - Big Generator, Moody Blues - Late Lament (and all of the other high school poetry that they let the drummer append to their songs).
Graham Edge was ALSO a fine songwriter!
1:04:04 - 1:04:13 that bit had me in tears 🤣🤣
Great show Pete and SOT prog crew here are my three horrendous prog songs from bands I love:
1. Yes ------- "I've seen all good people".......sorry....I know I might be ruffling feathers with this pick but I don't care......lol......the song is horrendous and way overplayed I'm personally sick of it
2. Rush ------ "Tai - Shan"......no explanation needed
3. Genesis ------ "Invisible Touch".......again the song is so overplayed it makes me nauseous......horrible!!!
Gentle Giant - Spooky Boogie
Gentle Giant - I Bet You Thought We Couldn’t Do It
Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman & Howe - Teakbois
I actually love The Final Cut. It’s a fantastically emotional album. It is more like a Roger solo record though.
Big Dream Theater fan and the one time they come to Louisville, where I live, it was on “The Astonishing” tour. I missed it because I knew they weren’t playing anything else. That album was a huge miss. They’ve never been back here.
OMG, Ken, that was the best reading of a bad song!! Hey, Greg Lake was on Love Beach, there you have it. Come and taste his love. OMG, that sh%t was funny🤣🤣I'm sorry but I like Follow You, Follow Me. I'm a child of the 80s what can I say? I agree that Face Value isn't a bad album but No Jacket Required sucks! Oh, a friend of mine saw Genesis in December. She described the concert as meh.
Pete, I missed you guys last night on HVS. I hope the allergies get better.
Steve, I hope your car is okay 😉
Luis, I love the usual brutal honesty.
Great show as usual everyone. I look forward to it every Tuesday😊
If Ken needs a new career, he has a future voicing romance novel audio books.
@@jackofhearts1056 Hmmm...now ya got me thinking...
That was the hottest car I ever had.... until it became the coldest!
@@TranquilityFireReid 🤣🤣Hey, mate, keep that sense of humor! I'm sure you have a much cooler car now. And stay cool yourself. See you on the UK Connection😊😊
@@kimberlywalker3970 😂😂👍👍 Hope you enjoy this week's show!
gotta disgree on "follow you, follow me" ... I enjoy the track but hate the lyrics (I kind of hear "follow you" in "in your eyes" by Peter Gabriel) .. but the first track on that record - "Down and Out" is one of my top 5 Genesis tunes.. Phil seems pissed and I love it!1 hahah ! .. love your channel/subscribed. Your topics and content is great!!
I'm not a huge prog fan but I do agree with their comments about genesis invisible touch when you , compare it to there older material.
Invisible touch and I can't dance are just Phil Collins solo lps with a genesis name on them
Agree with George. Dream Theater - Space Dye Vest from Awake is horrible. Droans on. Total snooze fest.
Fates Warning - Don't Follow Me from Parallels. Sounds like bad AOR crap.
IQ - Promises (As The Years Go By) Commercial dreck.
When Ken was reading Taste of my Love it sounded like something from Steel Panther.
Love Pete Pardos comical recital and take on Hot Mango Flush.
I like "Follow You Follow Me". And, geez..."Farm on the Freeway" just might be my favorite Tull song. I like Rush's Rivendell too. It's not their best, but it's okay enough.
Hi Jamie. Me too...I could name at least 10 Genesis and Tull songs that are far worse.
Not mentioned in this video:
"The curse", Jethro Tull
"I've seen all good people", Yes
"Many too many", Genesis
"Touch and go", Emerson Lake and Palmer
"Play the game tonight", Kansas
"Give a little bit", Supertramp
Oh my god. The Curse. Those lyrics, what was he thinking.
Yes, I actually enjoy A Venture. I've Seen All Good People is the one I thought Chuck would mention.
Not familiar with the tull and elp tunes. But I love those others
The turd from Kansas was " Got To Rock On "... bubble gum rock...and while " Give A Little Bit " is a great song, it's been overplayed, don't want to hear it again
a shame Your Move gets paired with the dreadful I've Seen All Good People..
Rush - Dog Years
Porcupine Tree- - Lazarus
Genesis - Your Own Special Way
Shocking that no one mentioned Illegal Alien by Genesis. Shocking. Their all time worst song rivaled only by the equally bad - and blatantly racist - video. Why ANYONE thought this song and video were great ideas is beyond me.
I think we have discussed that turd often enough...there are plenty of others.
@@seaoftranquilityprog Of course there are, but this one has its own unique stench of awfulness within the Genesis catalog. And it was a hit single! Just no accounting for taste, I guess. What a monstrosity.
I just did before I saw your comment!!!
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It's good to be reminded of the stinkers out there. We'll appreciate the greatness alot more.
Agreed Darla, thanks for watching
@@ericporter344You're welcome, and thanks Eric.
Ken ELP Taste of My Love, admit not heard, thought it was Steel Panther without the f words lol
Tony Banks also hated "After the Ordeal." "Selling England by the Pound" is a phenomenal album, but Tony Banks said the band didn't have as many ideas going into the studio as they normally had in previous albums, and therefore everything got put on the record, which he saw as a negative. Had the band had more ideas, "Ater the Ordeal" probably would not have made it on the album.
What passes for a weak Genesis song is generally 100X better than another bands best.
After The Ordeal is a beautiful piece of music, as attested to by The Professor of Prog. Artists aren't always the best judges of their own work and Tony Banks does not come across well in a lot of the interviews he does. He shits on ATO but is the guilty party when it comes to the chorus of I Know What I Like. He also doesn't like the wonderful Dusk, and look at all the shite he wrote post PG and particularly post SH.
With more ideas, SEBTP would have been a double album. It's already 10 minutes longer than usual (for a record in 1973). They didn't need to cram After the Ordeal or More Fool Me onto this album, I think it was just done to keep everyone happy within the band...
I quite like after the ordeal, and I don't mind more fool me. What I really hate on this album is the refrain from I know what I like. Duh! :) Still, the Album is my second favorite one of all time all music, but that refrain is the reason why it is not first :)
@@bernhardkaiser9567 I think the refrain really fits the song lyrics... but yeah, it doesn't age well. After the Ordeal is a nice little piece, no reason to hate it (Tony Banks can be quite arrogant, and maybe he shouldn't talk so fast). More Fool Me would be better if it didn't sound like Phil was trying to show how high he can sing.
Genesis - Get 'em out by Friday
King Crimson - Moonchild (it just meanders. . .)
Yes - Yours is no disgrace (the live Yessongs version. Steve's solo is harsh . . .)
Just finished watching this one yesterday. Enjoyed this episode immensely. OK, here are my 3 picks:
1. Genesis, "Mama". I just don't need to hear Phil coughing up a hairball again. Ever.
2. King Crimson, "Elephant Talk". I'll probably catch some flack for this one, but just not a fan of the Belew era Crimson. "Discipline" was a good album, saw the tour, but...
3. Yes, "Don't Kill the Whale". Enough said. Huge Yes fan, but that one was a bit lame.
Some further comments on Genesis, my fave prog band of all time, but some disagreement with Ken and others, although I generally agree. To me, everything after Duke was a disappointment, largely. I really disliked most of Abacab, didn't care for their new direction. Invisible Touch was a further disappointment, except for The Brazilian (which apparently was just a jam in the studio with the tape rolling). "Shapes" had "Home by the Sea", which is great. But then we had "We Can't Dance", tied for worst with Invisible Touch, for me. "Calling All Stations" has its moments - one just can't think of this as being the same band. Would have liked for them to have at least given one more album a go with this lineup. OK, so now about "And Then There Were Three", wherein lies my disagreement with Ken. I think this is a grossly underrated album. Two Tony Banks' classics: "The Lady Lies" and "Burning Rope" (the bad edit seems to have been taken care of in the remixed edition - I still wish they had given us the full length version, which was edited down for the album). "Deep in the Motherlode" is also brilliant. Sure, Mike's not Steve on the guitar, but I thought what he did on this album was effective for the music. Saw the tour, which was great. Anyway, sorry Ken, I love this album - love every album from Trespass to Duke!
Cheers, Brad
We like what we like!
@@lasercd7851 you're absolutely right about "Follow You, Follow Me" though!
@@bradleystone2623 That track is weak tea.
That slander on elephant talk killed me, that's one of my favourite king crimson songs and discipline is a masterpiece...
I absolutely love BOC but there are some of their songs I hate. Two that come to mind are, "Debbie Denise" and "The Marshall Plan". Can`t take em.
"Marshall Plan" references "Smoke On The Water." You can even hear a faint riff of it.
It's an homage, not really part of the song.
Ooh! I got one. The Smile Has Left Your Eyes by Asia.😁📀
TIL that people don’t like Space Dye Vest. Maybe it’s because I love Kevin’s solo work (it sounds like it could’ve easily been on the Chroma Key demo) I really enjoy the change of pace.
Huge disagree on Space dye vest, easily one of the best ballads I’ve heard and it’s a great closer to not only the album but Moore’s legacy
Awake from dream theater has no bad songs on it, the keyboards is amazing there, my favorite dt era
I agree! One of the best songs on Awake!
Totally agree... great atmosphere and composition. The huge turd on Awake is "Silent Man"... awful...
It's totally overrated by the old school, Kevin Moore worshiping DT fans and nowhere near my favorite songs of theirs but still a great song nonetheless, would have to disagree with George too.
I remember reading an interview where Mike Portnoy said that, had the band known Kevin Moore was planning to leave, this song would NOT have made it to the album. I think it's a great OSI type of tune, played and arranged by DT. But our friend George hates the softies.
I think a companion topic is songs by bands you love that other people like, but you don't. My examples are two from my favorite band, Rush. The songs are The Necromancer and Cygnus X-1 Book 1: The Voyage.
Haha those are 2 of my favorite songs. I see what you did there. Mine are Closer to the Heart and Spirit of Radio.
OMG, I finally found somebody else who dislikes Cygnus X-1 Book I, wow!! 😁 It is absolutely my #1 pick for this topic now and forever after, lol.
Good show SOT
i want those lyrics on my bedroom ceiling . a la the Sistine chapel.
Camel - Remote Romance is the most horrendous song by classic prog band ever. I'm so glad that's the first thing mentioned on the show. Although I'm surprised that Jethro Tull - Farm On The Freeway or VdGG - Meurglys III were mentioned. Both are one of my favourites by those bands. Also don't get that dislike for Space Dye Vest, that's a cool ballad.
So my disliked songs by my three favourite bands are:
1. Van der Graaf Generator - Abandon Ship! (Present, 2005)
I just couldn't choose anything from 70s VdGG, I'm just too much of the fan. But newer albums have a few songs that are either boring or mad. Abandon Ship! is a mad one - grungy guitar, sweet-sounding sax and fake-sounding organ create such a mess, I just can't digest that track at all.
2. King Crimson - Prelude: Song of the Gulls (Islands, 1971)
Why Mr. Fripp thought that including a shitty second-hand Tchaikovsky-like orchestral instrumental is a good idea? I get angry every time I listened to Islands just because of this piece.
3. Gentle Giant - Thank You (Giant For A Day, 1978)
I could pick at least 5 tracks from that album, but Thank You is the longest pile of sh*t in that album and it barely has any arrangement. It's just a few plain chords on guitar moving on and on and on till you die from boredom. And really uninspiring vocal delivery by Derek. Betcha Thought We Couldn't Do It is a great mention by Ken, but it at least had some energy.
I still can't believe Camel thought Remote Romance was good enough to be on an album. For a band that had so many great albums/songs, that one truly sucks.
I agree with you on Gentle Giant thoughts.
Thanks for watching
LOVE Meurglys III. And Remote Romance...
@@lemming9984 Yeah honestly I think Remote Romance wasn't bad at all. It has a lot of corny florishes and its drum machine part is a dated sound but I think the composition isnt so bad
Out of all the songs on VDGG's superlative six albums (that's 2nd-7th to lay people), Meurglys is the only one I skip. But there are probably songs on Aerosol and on some later stuff that would keep it off my worst list.
Song of the gaulls is beautiful...
I'm with Chad on Invisible Touch. It's the one Genesis song I have to have on Mute or turned off altogether. I guess even the great acts cannot be 100% fab all the time...
It's impossible to find a copy of Love Beach that isn't in Mint condition.
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Always liked and then there were three, was a popular album in our school year, amongst a few others not prog or rock related.
Rush’s “Spindrift” comes to mind immediately. It starts with such promise...
There’s a couple off Snakes and Arrows I never got into, including that. The Way the Wind Blows is a real clunker too and I don’t think I’ve ever said that about any Rush song, they’re my fav band.
Steve Hackett's song "Please Don't Touch" was supposed to be on "Wind and Wuthering," but then it got tossed out and replaced by "Wot Gorilla?" No wonder he'd had it with the band and was ready to leave.
It's amazing "Blood on The Rooftops" made it on "Wind and W."..
100% with rivendell, brings a masterpiece to an 8/10
Couldn’t be more wrong about Follow You Follow Me. It’s a nicely arranged little tune with that beautiful flanged melody and wonderful Banks solo.
Agreed. There is no world where Your Own Special Way is a better song.
With a killer groove that the guys in Weather Report loved as noted by Chester Thompson.
I completely agree. Excellence song. These most excellent guys keep on comparing the progressive rock Genesis with the pop rock Genesis of the 1980s. Their music genre started changing in 1978. I was disappointed when Genesis started playing pop rock songs. But that does not mean that they were not excellent songs. I think about 50 million people would probably disagree with this very stale argument about the disappointment of progressive rockers when Genesis started to write and play different music. It gets boring after a while.
@@Jeffrey.Seelman boring is the key word. Typical is another one that comes to mind.
@@MackeyWilliams .slushy mushy gay song...
My 3 favourite Prog bands ATM are Jethro Tull, ELP and King Crimson and the three songs I hate by them are Budaphest Jethro Tull, Jerusulm ELP and Happy Family King Crimson.
When Chad shit on "Since I Lost You", *my heaaaaaaaart was broken in pieces*. Seriously, that's one of my favorite songs on the album. Imo, neither that song nor I Can't Dance are the worst on that album. That title probably belongs to Living Forever.
Also, this may come as a surprise, but I don't hate the song Invisible Touch that much. Believe it or not, Domino is the one I could never get into much. Anyhow, Tonight Tonight Tonight is unequivocally the highlight of the album if you ask me.
I'm a little surprised Say It's All Right Joe by Genesis got hammered a little bit. That song is really good and it's got some terrific and exciting Tony Banks on it.
Lavender by Marillion a goddam nursery rhyme when they released that as a single the band were dead to me.
Can't agree with A momentary lapse of reason. A very good PF album. More a PF album than Final cut. Brilliant!
Mine:
1 - Genesis - Illegal alien
2 - Pink Floyd - Anything from Ummaguma
3 - Marillion - Most toys
4 - Supertramp - It's raining again
5 - ELP - Anything from them, can't bare
Great shows guys.
Some great picks but I actually think And Then There Were Three is the last good Genesis album....Duke is created in more of a jam band way, the way they created most of their pop music- fast and spontaneous... Duke still has terrible guitar but at least And Then There Were Three has them working hard and long to write solidly written songs and melodies.
"Follow you Follow me" does have a terrible chorus written by Phil but the verse is actually great along with the keyboard parts.
My three worst songs by bands I love:
1) "Taste of My Love"- ELP
2) "We Can't Dance"- Genesis
3) "Subdivisions"- Rush
Thanks, Guys.
Mike
I don’t know if this has been discussed on this show, but how about talking about your favorite front man or women in prog. I believe it’s been discussed on another show but not about prog artists. Great show tonight.
Yes, we've done that on In the Prog Seat already. Favorite vocalists.
@@seaoftranquilityprog I was thinking beyond your typical front man. I was thinking beyond just singers, I was thinking bass players, keyboard players and other band members. Keith Emerson and Chris Squire come to mind. Just a thought.
@@carlsalazar4490 Hi Carl, we've done separate ITPS shows for favourite guitarists/keyboard players/bassists/singers, which were really good fun. Thanks for watching!
Rivendell and Madrigal have never been played a 2nd time in my home from day 1 in the 70s that I got those albums. TaiShan=dung
..... I don't like Roll The Bones.... however I do have an HD FLAC copy that someone with great skill has purged the rap section from the song with studio surgical precision and its the only version I've listen to for years.... and it makes the song 10000x better.
#ClaptonIsGod
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Ditto with Rivendell but I like Madrigal. Sounds like Ged is playing a fretless. A nice respite before the onslaught of Cygnus X-1.
Rivendell is a, gorgeous song as well as Madrigal.
Actually, I kinda like FOLLOW YOU FOLLOW ME and prog rock as I understand it may not be some of my favorite stuff - unless if you count KINGCRIMSON as a band of that type of music.
Next SOT TShirt has to be "11 Minutes of Wanking"
Can I give you something a little different? King Crimson “Groon” from “Earthbound”. I do not like drum solos. A synthesized drum solo is no better. The recording quality is terrible. HOWEVER. Towards the end of the song, Mel Collins starts to squeal like Evan Parker. In the chaos of the drums, the sax, the terrible recording etc, Robert Fripp holds a note on his guitar and it sounds like a beacon of light. And I find it transfixes me. For me, it is lightening caught in a jar. It is possible that endurance of the build up makes the final minute of the song so special. So the song is a test of endurance, but that last minute is gold.
Marillion - No One Can
Rush - The Larger Bowl
Dream Theater - Lie
I’m going to be a bit controversial and say Supper’s Ready. Obviously not the whole thing, not even a whole part, but I’ve always hated the feel your body melt, mum tiddly washing bit in Willow Farm, it just ruins the atmosphere. Fortunately, it’s such a small part that it’s soon forgotten as the piece moves on to its astounding closing sections and climax.
YES Tormato = The Entire Album! They were so spent after GFTO and The Awesome Relayer Albums.. They had to have a bad one.. They picked up with Drama very well though! Not the same band, but what an Aweasome Album, without Anderson's input!
Tormato is far superior to Drama, 90125 and Big Generator - mainstream pap.
@@lemming9984 Tormato is Boring stuff.. You can tell that the band was spent out.. Drama is New Life.. New voice!
@@meloralovesdarkness2495 Tomato has don't kill the whale, Tomato is worth it just for that song alone.
Tormato's not that bad. On The Silent Wings of Freedom is awesome.
And the worst part about Rivendell is that it drags on for FIVE minutes!
One for the vine.
The received wisdom at the time was that A Trick of the Tail was a commendable holding position while Wind and Wuthering was a return to more full-on prog. In retrospect both albums are very weak compared to the PG era - we convinced ourselves they were great at the time out of desperation, clinging on to what remnants remained of the glory years.
ATOTT has aged far better, and while WAW has some obvious targets - Your Own Special Way (gak!), Wot Gorilla and the toe curling All in a mouse’s night, I’m going for One For The Vine because it cruelly masquerades as proper prog, but whereas great prog gradually reveals itself as being great over several listens, this sounds great from the get go and gradually reveals itself as being a superficial imposter.
It's like a song a schoolboy band who were fans of Genesis might write, or one of the tepid outpourings we get from some of the so called nu-prog bands.
It's all in your mind!!
Wouldnt really disagree with any of the songs mentioned tonight, some I can live with but for the most part a lot of them are awful.
For my choices, first I had to decide which 3 bands to choose - my top two have always been my two favourites - Yes and ELP, but then who to choose for the third? I ended up plumping for Barclay James Harvest, as I doubt many others will choose them and they have one song that really irritates me.
My criteria was very much in tune with Steven's and is based on which songs I will skip when listenng to the album it comes form.
So for Yes, I dont skip Circus of Heaven - yes its twee but I can live with it, however I concur with Steven's take on Billy Sherwood's contributions in Yes, and his solo work generally, so the one I always skip , even though I rarely listen to the album these days, is Man in the Moon from Open Your Eyes.
For ELP the first song I thought about was Taste of my Love, however that's saved by having the rehersal version on the 2001 remaster - in the ELP On Track book Mike Goode questions if that was done as a joke at Atlantic's expense - seeing as the band were forced into making the album in the first place - or that it was done to try and get it banned on the radio and thereby garner interest due to it being controversial. In any case the musics just about passable. Like Ken, I think with Love Beach there's just over half of what could have been a great album and wish that Emerson had used his Hammond. No the song that I always skip, on another album I rarely if ever listen to because, again, its mostly crap, is Daddy off of In The Hot Seat. To me that just isnt an ELP song at all - its a total Greg Lake solo song about harrowing subject matter (and I admit it may also be the case that because I had a young daughter at the time I first heard it that may have coloured my view as the back story to it is totally heartwrenching) that would have fitted better on a Lake solo album, or should have been released as a charity single. Coming as it does as the second track it sort of stops any potential flow and creates an overriding feeling of sadness - maybe if it had been the last song or added as a bonus track I wouldnt have minded so much? While Lake had had solo songs on ELP albums before they'd usually have been ELP'd enough to warrant their inclusion - yeah side 2 of Works 1 and bits of Works 2 could fall into that category though I dont tend to skip those, but I always, if I ever listen to the album, skip Daddy.
For Barclay James Harvest it pains me to say that the song I always skip is a John Lees song - I thought I may have gone for a Les Holroyd song as some of his can be a bit flaccid MOR ish and sappy, however Spud-U Like on Caught in the LIght is just - no, please dont, its rubbish.
Great stuff Terry!
Duke is an unbelievable Lp imho the most underrated Genesis Lp
Kansas: " Got To Rock On "...bubble gum rock from a talented prog band, worst song the original six did
Supertramp: " Ever Open Door "...the lackluster, boring ballad that keeps the " Brother Where You Bound " album from being a masterpiece. It was as though Rick Davies was told: " we need three minutes to complete the album ". Putting it as the last track was an even worse decision.
Genesis( avoiding the stuff from the Invisible Touch album on): "Who Dunnit" just a turd
Michael. Agreed with respect to Kansas, my favorite prog band. It's NOT a Kerry Livgren song, so no surprise there.
I like "Got To Rock On." "Right Away" is WAY worse than "Got To Rock On."
While "Got to Rock On" is probably the weakest song from the classic Kansas line-up, my least favorite of theirs is "I Can Fly" from Freaks of Nature. Steve just couldn't hit those high notes and it's painful to listen to his voice. Also, the baroque violin section, as lovely as it is as an isolated piece of music, doesn't quite fit with the rest of the composition
I was going to list the song "Brother Where you Bound" as one of my most hated from bands I love but 3 other songs beat it out.
I think Steve wrote Got To Rock On when he was suffering from either having his tonsils or wisdom teeth removed. I can't remember.
I have never heard anybody, not liking “ momentary lapse of reason”. Learning to fly is a very radio, friendly song, but how can you say it sucks? 🙄