Biggest Challenge for Orthodox Christianity in America - Fr. Josiah Trenham
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2020
- In this episode, Father Josiah Trenham discusses what he regards as the biggest challenge for Orthodox Christianity in America.
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This is the second episode from my interview with Orthodox Archpriest, theologian, author, publisher, and podcaster, Fr. Josiah Trenham. Fr. Josiah is pastor of St. Andrew Orthodox Church in Riverside, CA. He received his PhD in Theology from the University of Durham, is founder and director of Patristic Nectar Publications, and is a prolific podcaster and author.
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From Serbian Orthodox: We are all one! I think that America needs American Orthodox Church with American Patriarch who knows american mental code and we all other Orthodox need to help to you. Glory to Father and Son and Holy Spirit. Amen.
This is precisely why I simply tell other that I am "Orthodox" with no prefix. This was amazing as always, father!
Fr. Josiah Trenham is my favourite priest. Greetings from Australia.
Most of Orthodoxy's converts come from Protestantism (as did I). Protestantism has THOUSANDS of divisions/sects which vary in practice and doctrine. Orthodoxy has UNITY of practice and doctrine across the churches of various countries. It is hypocritical for a Protestant to point a finger at Orthodoxy for disunity, and it is a great sin for an Orthodox to accept that spurious charge. Sure we have our little spats about territories, and we have our little differences in hymns, tones, and most revered saints--this is part of the richness of our faith and its ability to equally encompass people of all nations. America is an amalgamation of races and nations which is reflected in the variety of national churches that exist here. Calling this a great sin is overreach, and ungrateful in the extreme. God brought Orthodoxy to the Americas and maintains it through these ancient Patriarchates. Through this diversity, God has provided Americans with choice, and He puts a check on any one Patriarchate becoming the dictator--great blessings in this age of false ecumenism.
Fr. Trenham. Though I agree that the Orthodox need to unite for several reasons, I believe the biggest challenge for the Orthodox is having courage facing the secular world that is encroaching upon our faith. Our local Orthodox divisions have varied on the lock down from completely locked down to almost completely open. But they do need to unite for the sake of advocacy.
Archbishop Dmitri of blessed memory worked very hard to unify orthodoxy in the south. His funeral was an excellent example of the work he had done as several churches were in attendance.
Father, there's no Antiochian Orthodox. The orthodox of Antioch are Greek orthodox though they speak arabic in the levant.
Time in The Church runs slowly... much slower than outside of it. This situation is inherited due to the historical immigration from the Orthodox lands. It can't be solved over night especially if one jurisdiction claims rights over others. Pray to God that solution is found.!
Wow. This honest and powerful answer is courageous.
This type of thing reminds me of my family. I wasn't told that my brother had died for 10 years! I found out by accident when talking to one of my aunts. Everybody just assumed that I knew or was told. The church needs more cohesiveness, and I'm not even Orthodox yet. I was brought to it by a year and have an interest in monasticism. Even as a non-member yet, I still see his point. May God guide the leadership and bring peace to this issue.
As a Greek, I 'd like to set forth my view on the subject.
Honestly, for a year now I've felt a desire to return to the Church, but not the Protestant Churches I knew growing up. I've had an inexplicable draw towards Orthodoxy ever since I found out about it. I remember driving past some of the Greek Orthodox churches when I was a teenager and wondering about them but never gave them much thought beyond that instant.
Preach Father!!! As a catechumen it is an issue for me, but I’m leaving Episcopalianism which is in shambles so there’s that.
The fractured orthodox nationalities in the west makes it SO HARD for native converts. I was so close to choosing catholic on that issue and I know many who have made that choice just because it’s easier! Can you believe it’s easier to convert to a church of pedophiles rather than our orthodoxy!!? And yet if anyone says “why can’t we have an American/British/french patriarch?” WE are accused of nationalism!
Truth ! Father as a catechumen who lives in a smaller community. I found it very difficult to find a parish. Three cities in my area are only supported by a revolving door of changing diocese. I bless those fathers that travel to minister when they can. I travel 240 miles twice a week and am grateful that the Greek Orthodox in Las Vegas ( St John the Baptist)has lovingly embraced me. I have received most of my teachings through you and others on AFR, and PV like Fr Hopko. This division, I humbly believe has restricted brothers and sisters to find salvation in towns and cities with populations under 50,000. (how I distress that my loving children and grandchildren in Idaho Falls) can not receive our Lord through Church. Thank you for your prayers and blessings for us "out in the desert.
I’m a “cradle Orthodox”, as they say. I grew up in a steel town with a Russian, a Greek and a Serbian Church. I was very young when the autocephalous OCA came into existence. At that time all services were English with some special things like Paschal greetings in Church Slavonic, English, etc. I was mystified why the Serbian and Greek churches did not join with us because it makes such complete sense. I was told that each wanted to keep their familiar ethnicity. At that time, all churches actually had some members who were from the “old country.” There really were no converts to the faith at that time except for those who married into the Church, and I understand why. We are all Americans and it is time for all of us to be one Orthodox Church. I have lived in several cities since that time. In Dallas we joined the Antiochian Orthodox Church because the Russian Orthodox Church was for the current Russian immigrants and no English was spoken. We attended liturgy there once and no one even spoke to us. I’m in Florida now and there in no OCA church near me, but we do have a Greek, a Coptic and an Antiochian Church, We go to the Antiochian Church which has many converts from various Protestant backgrounds. Our Orthodox members are Greek, Russian, etc, but all services are in English and everyone is welcome here. We enjoy visitors to our church. We have an ethnic food festival every year where wonderful foods from our different backgrounds are served. It’s very popular in our local community as well.
Herman - I would also like to suggest that you bring more of our Hierarchy onto your channel and have them explain how we get to unity. This could be our biggest opportunity if we fix this!
Let us as The Church pray for unity daily. Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us.
It's certainly a carry over from the old countries in so many ways. Ultimately I believe the influence of Communism and Islam have created the isolation Orthodoxy experiences in this country. For many a Patriarchate and Patriarch who are Turkish Citizens makes it harder still to trust our Church. The recent Social Ethos of the Orthodox Church broke my heart. It is a socialist manifesto and contrary to the guiding principles of the United States. The hypocrisy of the position in the document which denies the Nation State signed by Greek, Serbian and on Orthodox Leadership was a glaring example of this hypocrisy. I console myself with the idea that Christ did not rise so we may have a Church. He rose that I may have a personal relationship with him in corporate with other Christians. It's a matter of faith and trust which the various ethnic denominations of Orthodoxy fall short of. As a people in these United States many ethnicities live and work in harmony. Yet in Orthodoxy we have a Ukrainian Orthodox Church sitting right next to a Greek Orthodox Church. We say hello and understand we're all Orthodox but it rings hollow and is such a waste of resources, and power of corporate prayer