The China Challenge
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Stephen Biegun, Former U.S. Deputy Secretary of State
Alan F. Estevez, Under Secretary of Industry and Security, U.S. Department of Commerce
Anja Manuel, Executive Director, Aspen Strategy Group and Aspen Security Forum
Eric Schmidt, Chair, Special Competitive Studies Project; Former CEO of Google
Moderator: Demetri Sevastopulo, U.S.-China Correspondent, Financial Times
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Why cant the USA compete though? they have a much bigger budget and instruments to get ahead of the chinese but they choose to only fund the defense industry.
because they waste their money fighting stupid wars
China does not waste billions of US dollars in useless wars. The United States spends and gives billions of our tax dollars to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Israel. Imagine for a moment, if the US instead of wasting money in wars were to give huge tax incentives to the private sector for R&D. China builds cities while the US struggles to reach bipartisan agreements to fix our infrastructure - there lies the big difference, and if the trend continues China in about 10 years will become the number One Economy.
@@yjalma China does not waste billions of US dollars in useless wars. The United States spends and gives billions of our tax dollars to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Israel. Imagine for a moment, if the US instead of wasting money in wars were to give huge tax incentives to the private sector for R&D. China builds cities while the US struggles to reach bipartisan agreements to fix our infrastructure - there lies the big difference, and if the trend continues China in about 10 years will become the number One Economy.
Ha ha ha are you kidding ..... America hasn't a hope of competing with China , they haven't the infrastructure , educated population , innovation , skilled work force .
In Chinese, if you are lying, you will get smacked by thunders. That is happening on the stage😅
The high end chip is the only choking point the US can have on China, now they have played that card and is working in the short term. When you play the ace card at the beginning of the game already, what else can you play if China manages to advance in the long term?
It will be fun watching this ten years from now.
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Assuming we're even here in 10 years...
This comment right here.
Yeah China is the problem when we have Boeing's SVP here convincing us how safe their planes are
right on
China does not waste billions of US dollars in useless wars. The United States spends and gives billions of our tax dollars to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Israel. Imagine for a moment, if the US instead of wasting money in wars were to give huge tax incentives to the private sector for R&D. China builds cities while the US struggles to reach bipartisan agreements to fix our infrastructure - there lies the big difference, and if the trend continues China in about 10 years will become the number One Economy.
Sore voices from a falling empire. Time to open your eyes and accept the reality: You can’t cheat your way to victory when you are unable to compete.
Enjoy yourselves while it lasts.
The entire discussion reflects one reality - weaknesses
China does not waste billions of US dollars in useless wars. The United States spends and gives billions of our tax dollars to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Israel. Imagine for a moment, if the US instead of wasting money in wars were to give huge tax incentives to the private sector for R&D. China builds cities while the US struggles to reach bipartisan agreements to fix our infrastructure - there lies the big difference, and if the trend continues China in about 10 years will become the number One Economy.
Even the god weather is mad at these guys BS.
Correction - the US national debt just reached $35 trillion and the US will never pay down that debts. These clowns think they own the world. So very funny
China does not waste billions of US dollars in useless wars. The United States spends and gives billions of our tax dollars to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Israel. Imagine for a moment, if the US instead of wasting money in wars were to give huge tax incentives to the private sector for R&D. China builds cities while the US struggles to reach bipartisan agreements to fix our infrastructure - there lies the big difference, and if the trend continues China in about 10 years will become the number One Economy.
Very surprisingly to hear again and again ppl like those on the stage bragging about how good or advanced US tech is while two US Astronauts are still hoping to get back to the earth while China just finished her mission landing on the far side of the Moon!
Add brought sizable samples!
Yeah. Funny how, despite those anecdotal examples, China is still stealing US tech while nobody in the world is bothering to steal Mainland Chinese tech because there is nothing to steal. Makes one think.
China does not waste billions of US dollars in useless wars. The United States spends and gives billions of our tax dollars to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Israel. Imagine for a moment, if the US instead of wasting money in wars were to give huge tax incentives to the private sector for R&D. China builds cities while the US struggles to reach bipartisan agreements to fix our infrastructure - there lies the big difference, and if the trend continues China in about 10 years will become the number One Economy.
@@Jose-hs4vk Oh, where to begin?
(1) "China does not waste billions of US dollars in useless wars" uses 'wastes' and 'useless wars' as trigger words to get the reader to nod their head in agreement without questioning the sentence. (a) China wastes TRILLIONS on other things including (b) increasing the size of an invasion navy, (c) engaging in 'Gray Warfare' and 'Unrestricted Warfare', (d) Propaganda, (e) protecting its "Glass Heart" 玻璃心.
(2) "The United States spends and gives billions of our tax dollars to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Israel." Yes! That's called Defence: (a) We build military alliances and protect our allies, (b) invest in deterrence, (c) prefer wars to be fought on our enemy's soil, or (d) at least not on US and allied soil.
(3) "Imagine for a moment, if the US instead of wasting money in wars were to give huge tax incentives to the private sector for R&D." We do both. (a) We also provide money in aid to catastrophe and disaster victims (instead of sending a team over for fake photo ops), (b) provide free schooling k-12, provide free Emergency Medical care to those who cannot afford it, free legal representation to those who cannot afford it, aid for the homeless, help for addicts, etc... though we could do much better on all those fronts.
It's what wealthy superpowers do.
(4) "China builds cities" With a philosophy of Chabuduo 差不多 (lit. ‘difference not much' or 'good enough') China builds (a) Tofu Dreg 豆腐渣工程 buildings where the (b) facades fall off on top of peoples' heads, (c) fall over, (d) fall into sink holes, (e) are often connected with fake fire sprinklers near fake sewer grates and fake fire hydrants using (f) bricks that you can break in your hands, (g) rebar that you can bend and snap with your hands, etc. etc. (I have a database of videos and media about this). (h) China builds GHOST CITIES! Lots of them! Cities that are built and never lived in, and never really finished. (i) China builds literal roads, bridges, and rail lines to nowhere, train stations that are never used (or are underwater during flood seasons), etc.
(5) "while the US struggles to reach bipartisan agreements to fix our infrastructure" Yup, we struggled to reach bipartisan agreement, but we finally did... and even the Republicans who voted against it ran home to take credit for the jobs they created: Our infrastructure is finally being repaired. China's never works and never lasts and always falls down, collapses, catches on fire, or is pointless.
(6) "and if the trend continues China in about 10 years will become the number One Economy." If the trend continues, China will cease to exist as a viable, industrialized nation: (a) The corrupt wealthy are fleeing and taking their money with them, (b) the wealth of the entire middle class has been nearly wiped out in less than 5 years, (c) Local governments are bankrupt, (d) Provincial Governments are bankrupt, (e) Shanghai's 'Foreign District' is a ghost town, (f) Foreign Businesses are fleeing, especially Japan (e.g. Honda) because the CCP spreads anti-foreigner hate and has criminalized normal business practices, (g) 85% of China's POTABLE water is not only undrinkable, but much of it cannot be used even for agriculture, (h) ....
You get the picture. So does the rest of the world. So do your leaders who are abandoning you and taking your past-due/next paycheck with them.
Can't compete? Just cheat. It's the Anglo-Saxon way.
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China does not waste billions of US dollars in useless wars. The United States spends and gives billions of our tax dollars to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Israel. Imagine for a moment, if the US instead of wasting money in wars were to give huge tax incentives to the private sector for R&D. China builds cities while the US struggles to reach bipartisan agreements to fix our infrastructure - there lies the big difference, and if the trend continues China in about 10 years will become the number One Economy.
What a big surprise you speakers are going to get, And soon.
not many ppl watching
It's Think Tank Panel Season. 4 weeks of all the panel discussions going on puts out literally THOUSANDS of hours of these videos. We have to pick and choose which ones we see live and which we see on replay. Live Chat was turned off for this discussion, so a lot of people won't bother watching it live if it competes with, say, Brookings Institute, Hoover Institution, CSIS, CFR, etc. Plus, for whatever reason, Aspen scheduled this during (1) The Republican convention after Trump was shot at by another Republican and (2) the 3rd Plenary Session in China.
important videos don't tent to get views
This is cute. We all need therapy after all, and the US NatSec State is no different 🥰
If you can’t compete, deploy the Tonya Harding Strategy. Hobble the competition. How pathetic.
Eric Schmidt does not seem to distinguish the LLM type of gen AI from the applications of visual recognition and robotics types of AI. While the first kind needs lots of advanced chips which china got cut off from, in the other types of AI china is leading. I'm worried that the LLM type of AI does not find applications apart from spitting dodgy code.
The guy from Boeing was most interesting to listen to. ( in my opinion)
Taiwan Constitution written that Taiwan island is part of China, how ???
Because their constitution was still constitution of republic of China... In constitution they think that they are still the government of whole China, taiwan province is just a province in its territory. In their law, they do not recognise taiwan as an indipendent country themselves, either. The claim of taiwan indipendence exists only in the mouth of their officials not in law. Prior to their wanted indipendence, they still need to change and make new constitution. Unfortunately, they do not have the guts to do that, because they know that it leads war at once and their regime will end there.
@@alexliu8087 DPP thinks the constitution is just a trash piece of paper. and you should be aware of the difference between the legal position of taiwan and the political position of taiwan. legally they maybe a part of china, but that is only because politically DPP is too afraid to change the constitution. especially having lost the majority of the house, if amendment is made, they cannot control what would be in the amendment.
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Unless Mr Lai willing to rewrite Constitution , dare ?
@@paulseo-ye7is of course, they dare not..
I had my tertiary education from the U.S. and had always believed in merits and fair competition, but what I have learned in recent years are all about how to contain, impede and stop when confronted with competition instead of bettering yourselves. Shame, shame, shame!!!
These guys must be pissed! NIO just launched its own chip for EVs that’s equivalent of four Nvidia chips.
link? reference?
China does not waste billions of US dollars in useless wars. The United States spends and gives billions of our tax dollars to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Israel. Imagine for a moment, if the US instead of wasting money in wars were to give huge tax incentives to the private sector for R&D. China builds cities while the US struggles to reach bipartisan agreements to fix our infrastructure - there lies the big difference, and if the trend continues China in about 10 years will become the number One Economy.
@@faisalqureshi5882 China does not waste billions of US dollars in useless wars. The United States spends and gives billions of our tax dollars to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Israel. Imagine for a moment, if the US instead of wasting money in wars were to give huge tax incentives to the private sector for R&D. China builds cities while the US struggles to reach bipartisan agreements to fix our infrastructure - there lies the big difference, and if the trend continues China in about 10 years will become the number One Economy.
习近平主席告诉普京总统，如果他们分裂俄罗斯，下一个就是中国。
普京总统还告诉习近平主席，如果他们分裂中国，下一个就是俄罗斯。
所以，我们为什么不一起努力呢？
I purchased a Huawei cell phone about 3 years ago … I have zero complaints …. as an American I have to admit that my next phone is probably going to be a Huawei phone … simply stated the price is right, the durability (I have dropped it many times) is amazing, and the quality of its functions is as good as anything manufactured by any American company.
These people think they can control China😂😂😂
How we've got from "western democracy and humanity standards for all" to "weaken somebody, which is not West" goal? It looks like Western society is not strong enough by itself and we have to harm other societies like Chinese and Russian to remain in the leadership. I question myself whether we have been ever sincere in the past.
Smart people with a sick mind.
Did Anja Manual say that one way to compete with China is "to hobble the other guy"? That's thuggish like Tonia Harding! You are talking about harming a nation where people work hard and aspire to have a good life!
Biegun is a hell of public speaker but they all are very impressive including the under secretary.
These are really well selected speakers!!
the CCP is very generously subsidizing all sorts of high tech , but where does the money comes from? The consumers , the house hold share of GDP remains very low and thus consumption too remains very low.
USA government too subsidizing Tech companies, how ? Why did USA has to depend 92% chips import from TSMC Taiwan island China ? Why cant USA has owned self dependency ?
Subsidies in all countries of the world come from taxes that are ultimately borne by consumers. The United States likewise subsidises its agriculture and its uncompetitive photovoltaic industry. When China's new energy car industry and photovoltaic industry grew to be the strongest in the world, the government withdrew its subsidies. The U.S. subsidies for agriculture continue, even though U.S. agriculture is already the strongest in the world. In the West, whether an industry can have subsidies depends on whether the interests behind it are powerful enough to sway the government.
@@paulseo-ye7isself dependency eg made in China 2025 Thanks to China self dependency and Chinese Russian aggression de- coupling from said countries is happening with their enemies
if your source of information use the term CCP, than you can be assure that information is rubbish. any legitimate source would use the term CPC. as for why CPC can maintain high investment. it is due to it having low debt (liability is not the same as debt because it is backed by asset) and therefore low interest payment. limited military spending which is self explainatory. and that they own alot of companies that generates profit and income to the government as shareholders or wealth fund. before facebook IPO, CPC own 30% of facebook, they made alot of money selling their shares after the IPO... so think about that. and despite the media claim that chinese consumption is very low, it still the largest consumer market in the world. the scale of china is just much larger than the US. I mean you can compare Singapore to US and say US has weak demand compare to Singapore which is the 2nd highest GDP per capita, but that doesn't mean anything. only the absolute numbers matters. so you have to be careful if you are just comparing trends or absolute numbers.
Just because a person in China spends 1/10 on healthcare than an American doesn't mean he consumed 1/10 the amount of healthcare.
Eric the NAZi.
Actually he's a Zionist Jew. The opposite of a Nazi.
Free drinks used to many times 😮