This was amazing, thx JM! We are going through the Book of Revelation this month in our Church Sunday School and home study, so learning the “hear” vs “see” distinction was perfect. I think another very helpful practice to understanding Revelation is to also read other apocalyptic works that preceded it: Daniel, 2 Esdras, and 1 Enoch. Reading those this past year really opened my eyes to how John really built this 5th gospel from their style in a beautiful way. Cool stuff!
I learned this from David Chilton in his commentary Days of Vengeance. I know you’re not a preterist, but this is a great book that really got me interested in OT. Worth a read for anyone wanting to see the OT connections even if you take a different approach to Revelation.
@@DancerOfClouds That's a bit reductionist. I'll be the first to admit that if you place yourself as one of the hearers of Jesus words, it's hard to come up with any explanation of what he said other than a first century event. But if you suggest that preterists have the monopoly on consistent interpretation, I think that's not true. Although I disagree with it, I think the idealist hermeneutic is a valid alternative to preterism that does justice to Jesus words. It accepts some the full range of possibilities including a first century fulfillment, some current "life application," and some future fulfillment. Personally, I think the futurist approach is akin to the way people want to read too much into Genesis 1-11 as if it was meant for a 21st century science book or an accurate historical narrative.... Moses's readers would never have understood it that way.
Thanks for this video... do you know of any commentaries that highlight this heard/saw paralelism? Also do we see this in other passages in Revelation? Thanks
Wow, someone today was leading me to the upside down that God is revealing outside of the Book of Revelation and then I come across this video, it fits
@DiscipleDojo I know this is 2 +years old, but this aged well. I had a back and forth with a homeboy the past weekend. The only part that I could not explain was the Census part. Post-Thanks 🫡 to you JM for taking time out to explain this .
Maybe the first time I’ve heard association with fighting age males. That does make sense as parallel to other census examples. Mainly understood the 144,000 and multitude as images of the purified bride; getting this from Hanegraaff’s “The Apocalypse Code”. Holds the early dating.
Yeah, Hank's book has some good insights even though I disagree with his Preterist dating of the book. But in light of the description of the 144K as first a census, and then later when they appear as not having defiled themselves with sex (in obedience to Torah's requirement for celibacy before battle), the Hebrew military imagery is pretty clear.
I’ll only add that the defilement with sex would equally apply to forms worship of other deities, particularly in the Greco/Roman cults, so the abstinence before battle may not be the only allusion in mind.
@@DiscipleDojo he makes a fairly convincing argument that the term "Jew" and the term "Israelite" were not seen as synonymous, that there is a significant nuance in second temple and NT texts that goes generally unrecognised. I tend to agree.
The entire vision alternates between heaven and earth fluidly. They are all believers "who have come out of the great suffering/tribulation" according to the text. That is Revelation's message--suffering on earth *will* happen. The seal of the Lamb doesn't prevent suffering...it gives victory *through* it, just as the Lamb's victory came *through* His suffering.
@@DiscipleDojo in Revelation 9:4 it prevents suffering from a judgement from God. The seal doesn't give us immortality but I don't see how sealing would be applied or necessary for those who have already conquered, aka are in heaven. When I read Revelation the sealing serves a purpose. In Chapter 7 144,000 are on earth and in Chapter 14 they are in Heaven. How did they get there? Not the rapture, that's for sure. Martyrdom maybe? Not sure to be honest. We are sealed for the day of redemption but the sealing also serves a purpose of protection. We don't need protection if we are already in Heaven with the Lord meaning our brothers and sisters in Christ don't need to be sealed or I should say resealed. They are there because they were already sealed with the Spirit of God. In the beginning of Chapter 7 he "sees" 4 angels too and another after that before hearing the number. Verse 9 of chapter 7 starts with and "After" which I interpret as another vision not part of the same one before even though they are in the same chapter.
@@shinryuken5423 I think you may be pressing for a level of literlistic/chronological precision that prophecy and Apocalypse never intend to convey. Revelation moves in recapitultion cycles and fluctuates between Heaven and Earth very fluidly as it pulls back the veil. So *on earth* followers of the Lamb are being persecuted and martyred...but *from a Heavenly perspective* they are YHWH's conquering army following their conquering savior. The images are more evocative than detailed chronological schematics, I believe. That is what we covered in the first few videos in this series before tackling specific issues like 666 or 144K.
@@DiscipleDojo not pressing for anything really. I'm keeping up with your videos. I'm learning and considering. I do strongly believe in context. Understanding Revelation is not an easy task because when we think we know something it turns out we didn't. The recapitulation view is interesting. I came across it for the first time within this past year. I feel like it applies but at the same time it doesn't. Like Revelation can be both a recapitulation and chronological at the same time. It's weird. I don't claim to understand it but i don't read a particular eschatological system into it to make the system work. I try to let it say what it says. The book had to make sense to the churches it was written to at the time but they also knew that it was meant for a future generation as well. Like an "already but not yet" kinda situation. Some things are literal some things are symbolic. Knowing which is which is the question. John certainly is pulling a lot from the OT. Almost as if telling us before you can fully understand this book make sure you are well-versed in both the OT and the NT. What I'm doing at the moment is casting aside eschatological systems and considering all possible options while at the same time making sure whatever i believe in keeps in mind other prophecies in the OT and NT. There is a chronology to all of it since we know we are heading towards the end but also the beginning of something new. The end of an age and a beginning of new age. And i don't mean the so called church age for all the pre trib's out there.
@@shinryuken5423 I totally respect that. My position on the 144K is where I've landed after studying Revelation since '01 with a focus on its OT background. Not everyone ends up agreeing though, so wherever you come down, as long as it takes all the factors discussed into consideration that's respectable in my book. 👊
Not only for war - "Exodus 19:15 tn Heb “do not approach a woman.” The phrase with נָגַשׁ (nagash, “approach”) is an idiom for sexual relations, which is also true of similar verbs such as בּוֹא אֶל (boʾ ʾel, “come to”) and קָרַב (qarav, “approach”). NIV “Abstain from sexual relations.” NASV “Do not go near a woman.” Temporary abstinence was also part of the prescribed practice for war efforts because the Lord would be in their camp (Deut 23:9-14).sn B. Jacob (Exodus, 537) notes that as the people were to approach him they were not to lose themselves in earthly love. Such separations prepared the people for meeting God. Sinai was like a bride, forbidden to anyone else. Abstinence was the spiritual preparation for coming into the presence of the Holy One."
@@dunk_law There were Jews of the diaspora in the 1st century. But Israelites (the 10 tribes) were long assimilated into the gentile nations by then. There were no such Israelites in the diaspora as even Preterists falsely assert. The "other sheep that are not of this fold" Jesus meant are the gentile followers of Christ. Revelation 7 agrees.
@@sishrac Revelation is a second century document. The 616/666 Nero was the Reborn Nero - Hadrian. Revelation 12:4 "The Emperor Hadrian was enraged at the rebellion and sent some of his best generals (Julius Severus and Tineius Rufus) with 12 legions (one-third of the Roman army) to put it down. In fact, it appears that Hadrian returned to Judea and led the campaign himself for a short period (Anthony Everitt, Hadrian and the Triumph of Rome, Kindle Loc. 5213)."
As was stated in the video, whether it is the 24 elders clothed in white robes with Victor's wreath on their heads in Rev 4, or the 144,000 in Rev 7 that are sealed of the tribes of Israel, both represent the totality of those redeemed by Christ. The 12 tribes of Israel (Jacob) listed in Rev 7 are not the exact 12 tribes or sons of Israel. Dan is left out. Instead, Manasseh (Joseph's firstborn child) a grandson of Jacob, is included. Not a literal listing of the tribes but a spiritual representation, where 12 x 12 (representing believers under both covenants) x 1000 (completeness). The 24 elders and 144,000 represent those "sealed" who are "the bondservants of our God" (Rev7:3), which are all believers throughout history. Hence Rev 7:9 says "and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every nation and of all tribes, peoples, and languages." God is explaining his use of symbolic numbers and defining the 144,000 as a numberless multitude in white robes (wearing Christ's purity) who were redeemed by Christ's blood. Hence the name of Christ and the Father are written on their foreheads (Rev 14:1), for they belong to God.
Question: Since Ruth was a gentile women, even though she followed the Jews in faith, she is not a Jew biologically. Ruth was King David's great-grandmother. She was married to a Jewish husband, but she is a gentile women. How does Ruth being a gentile affect the line of King David? And since she was a gentile married to a Jew and had the line of King David. Could one of the tribes, or all of them, be affected by her gentile blood line and if so how? How would this affect the selection process of the 144,000? Are all 12 tribes Jews since Ruth was a gentile women that had the line of King David?
Israel has *always* had non-Jews within the Covenant community. Ephraim and Manasseh's mother, Caleb, Rahab, Ruth...it's never been about bloodline. Like John the Baptist and Jesus both said, God could raise up the "seed of Abraham" from stones. It's not about bloodline.
Although Ruth's husband Boaz was of the tribe of Judah, they were not referred to as Jews at the time. Your question has a ring of Rabbinic Judaism custom that gives weight to the mothers' Jewish descent. The old Judaism was patriarchal and didn't give weight to the mother's Israelite descent like the Rabbinic Judaism that only came to be ca. 200 years after Christianity. There was, however, a restriction for Israelite men to marry women from the seven nations that inhabited the Land of Canaan, probably due to the Rephaim (a race of giants), the Anakim or sons of Anak (also giants, "long-necked ones"), and the Avim or Avites (dwellers in ruins) that were mixed among them.
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Except the 144,000 are in the millennium kingdom and the rest of the raptured people are not soooo they can’t be the same or I am not understanding some aspect of this.
So you are saying that those 144,000 aren't Jewish virgin males who evangelize the whole world in the tribulation after the church has been raptured, you just burst my bubble 😁
This is very misleading, the 144000 are not the multitudes from all nations and tribes. Rev. 14: 1-5. "1 And I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing upon Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred forty-four thousand having His name and the name of His Father having been written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice out of heaven like the sound of many waters, and like the sound of loud thunder. And the voice that I heard was like that of harpists harping with their harps. 3 And they are singing as a new song before the throne, and before the four living creatures, and the elders. And no one was able to learn the song, except the one hundred forty-four thousand having been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they who have not been defiled with women; for they are pure, these following the Lamb wherever He shall go. These have been redeemed out from men as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth no lie was not found; they are blameless".
You have to read the Book of Revelation in conjunction with Other Books of the Bible especially one or two that were taken out. The 144,000 are standing at Mount Zion with the Lord, here it is much more clear. These are first fruits which means that there is a latter fruits. Please seek the Lord's confirmation on this for He is revealing to those who are the 144,000 and even the tribe to which they belong to.
Wow...two videos in a row under the Search Term 144000....both have Voodoo Dolls being displayed...the other guy has Wonder-Woman and I think some sort of Black Jedi Knight. ...That is totally Creepy! ....Do you not know what they are?
So the Bulldog has the "G"....Golem! That's is what those Dolls represent...the Golem! ...you must be like the Head Golem .... or what, Keeper? The Keeper of! Bull means "War"....War of the Golem!
It comes down to Truth...if an Angel of the Lord has not come upon you, personally, and placed a Seal upon your Forehead, placing you into your House...well, then it did not happen! What you see, and what you hear...there is a difference! Revelation is the Testimony of he who sits upon the Right Hand...and he is holding a Scroll. The Dragon of Revelation is the "Christ", and the Multitude are those who Lost their Lives in the Great Tribulation! ...They are to go into the Court-Yard, that which is not Measured...they Wave their Palms...they seek to be Translated! They must wait for the First Resurrection, beyond the Binding of the Christ for 1000-year's, as that Millennial Reign on Earth! ...Everyone Look Busy, he comes Quickly now! The Dragon...the "Christ"! ...You all know him already!
An outstanding teaching segment that’s like a breath of fresh air in an era dominated by dispensational interpretive methodologies. ✔️
Dojo, I have enjoyed everyone of your videos; but, none more so than this one. This one bleeds truth during every minute, Thank you
Thanks for watching and for the kind words!
This was amazing, thx JM! We are going through the Book of Revelation this month in our Church Sunday School and home study, so learning the “hear” vs “see” distinction was perfect.
I think another very helpful practice to understanding Revelation is to also read other apocalyptic works that preceded it: Daniel, 2 Esdras, and 1 Enoch. Reading those this past year really opened my eyes to how John really built this 5th gospel from their style in a beautiful way. Cool stuff!
Fantastic!! New to your channel - you’re a true blessing to the body of Christ Jesus. Thank you!
Excellent explanation of the 144000 and contrasting what John hears vs sees 💭
Very good explanation. Thanks discipledojo
I learned this from David Chilton in his commentary Days of Vengeance. I know you’re not a preterist, but this is a great book that really got me interested in OT. Worth a read for anyone wanting to see the OT connections even if you take a different approach to Revelation.
Am I correct in assuming you are a believer of every word Jesus ever spoke. I too am such a believer. They callus Preterists
@@DancerOfClouds That's a bit reductionist. I'll be the first to admit that if you place yourself as one of the hearers of Jesus words, it's hard to come up with any explanation of what he said other than a first century event. But if you suggest that preterists have the monopoly on consistent interpretation, I think that's not true. Although I disagree with it, I think the idealist hermeneutic is a valid alternative to preterism that does justice to Jesus words. It accepts some the full range of possibilities including a first century fulfillment, some current "life application," and some future fulfillment. Personally, I think the futurist approach is akin to the way people want to read too much into Genesis 1-11 as if it was meant for a 21st century science book or an accurate historical narrative.... Moses's readers would never have understood it that way.
Thanks for this video... do you know of any commentaries that highlight this heard/saw paralelism? Also do we see this in other passages in Revelation? Thanks
Most good Rev commentaries mention it, I believe. See Beale, Caird, DeSilva, Boxall, Koester, and Gorman.
Curious would you redo your revelations course with your current format?
I may. But I'd rather record it teaching live at a church. I just need to find one that would host it.
Thank you!
Thanks for this post.
awesome!
Wow, someone today was leading me to the upside down that God is revealing outside of the Book of Revelation and then I come across this video, it fits
@DiscipleDojo I know this is 2 +years old, but this aged well. I had a back and forth with a homeboy the past weekend. The only part that I could not explain was the Census part.
Post-Thanks 🫡 to you JM for taking time out to explain this .
Maybe the first time I’ve heard association with fighting age males. That does make sense as parallel to other census examples.
Mainly understood the 144,000 and multitude as images of the purified bride; getting this from Hanegraaff’s “The Apocalypse Code”. Holds the early dating.
Yeah, Hank's book has some good insights even though I disagree with his Preterist dating of the book. But in light of the description of the 144K as first a census, and then later when they appear as not having defiled themselves with sex (in obedience to Torah's requirement for celibacy before battle), the Hebrew military imagery is pretty clear.
*partial preterist* Ha!
I’ll only add that the defilement with sex would equally apply to forms worship of other deities, particularly in the Greco/Roman cults, so the abstinence before battle may not be the only allusion in mind.
@@clintd3476 I dunno...some of the Greco-Roman cults were pretty orgiastic, I hear. ;)
Have you read Jason Staples on the idea of Israel in second temple Judaism?
I have not.
@@DiscipleDojo he makes a fairly convincing argument that the term "Jew" and the term "Israelite" were not seen as synonymous, that there is a significant nuance in second temple and NT texts that goes generally unrecognised. I tend to agree.
So the ones that were sealed to avoid the harm on earth were believers in heaven not on earth?
The entire vision alternates between heaven and earth fluidly. They are all believers "who have come out of the great suffering/tribulation" according to the text. That is Revelation's message--suffering on earth *will* happen. The seal of the Lamb doesn't prevent suffering...it gives victory *through* it, just as the Lamb's victory came *through* His suffering.
@@DiscipleDojo in Revelation 9:4 it prevents suffering from a judgement from God. The seal doesn't give us immortality but I don't see how sealing would be applied or necessary for those who have already conquered, aka are in heaven. When I read Revelation the sealing serves a purpose. In Chapter 7 144,000 are on earth and in Chapter 14 they are in Heaven. How did they get there? Not the rapture, that's for sure. Martyrdom maybe? Not sure to be honest. We are sealed for the day of redemption but the sealing also serves a purpose of protection. We don't need protection if we are already in Heaven with the Lord meaning our brothers and sisters in Christ don't need to be sealed or I should say resealed. They are there because they were already sealed with the Spirit of God. In the beginning of Chapter 7 he "sees" 4 angels too and another after that before hearing the number. Verse 9 of chapter 7 starts with and "After" which I interpret as another vision not part of the same one before even though they are in the same chapter.
@@shinryuken5423 I think you may be pressing for a level of literlistic/chronological precision that prophecy and Apocalypse never intend to convey. Revelation moves in recapitultion cycles and fluctuates between Heaven and Earth very fluidly as it pulls back the veil. So *on earth* followers of the Lamb are being persecuted and martyred...but *from a Heavenly perspective* they are YHWH's conquering army following their conquering savior. The images are more evocative than detailed chronological schematics, I believe. That is what we covered in the first few videos in this series before tackling specific issues like 666 or 144K.
@@DiscipleDojo not pressing for anything really. I'm keeping up with your videos. I'm learning and considering. I do strongly believe in context. Understanding Revelation is not an easy task because when we think we know something it turns out we didn't.
The recapitulation view is interesting. I came across it for the first time within this past year. I feel like it applies but at the same time it doesn't. Like Revelation can be both a recapitulation and chronological at the same time. It's weird. I don't claim to understand it but i don't read a particular eschatological system into it to make the system work. I try to let it say what it says.
The book had to make sense to the churches it was written to at the time but they also knew that it was meant for a future generation as well. Like an "already but not yet" kinda situation. Some things are literal some things are symbolic. Knowing which is which is the question. John certainly is pulling a lot from the OT. Almost as if telling us before you can fully understand this book make sure you are well-versed in both the OT and the NT.
What I'm doing at the moment is casting aside eschatological systems and considering all possible options while at the same time making sure whatever i believe in keeps in mind other prophecies in the OT and NT. There is a chronology to all of it since we know we are heading towards the end but also the beginning of something new. The end of an age and a beginning of new age. And i don't mean the so called church age for all the pre trib's out there.
@@shinryuken5423 I totally respect that. My position on the 144K is where I've landed after studying Revelation since '01 with a focus on its OT background. Not everyone ends up agreeing though, so wherever you come down, as long as it takes all the factors discussed into consideration that's respectable in my book. 👊
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Amen good analysis.
Not only for war - "Exodus 19:15 tn Heb “do not approach a woman.” The phrase with נָגַשׁ (nagash, “approach”) is an idiom for sexual relations, which is also true of similar verbs such as בּוֹא אֶל (boʾ ʾel, “come to”) and קָרַב (qarav, “approach”). NIV “Abstain from sexual relations.” NASV “Do not go near a woman.” Temporary abstinence was also part of the prescribed practice for war efforts because the Lord would be in their camp (Deut 23:9-14).sn B. Jacob (Exodus, 537) notes that as the people were to approach him they were not to lose themselves in earthly love. Such separations prepared the people for meeting God. Sinai was like a bride, forbidden to anyone else. Abstinence was the spiritual preparation for coming into the presence of the Holy One."
What about John 10:16?
What about it?
@@DiscipleDojo possibly the "Jews" and the "Israelites" of the diaspora.
@@dunk_law There were Jews of the diaspora in the 1st century. But Israelites (the 10 tribes) were long assimilated into the gentile nations by then. There were no such Israelites in the diaspora as even Preterists falsely assert. The "other sheep that are not of this fold" Jesus meant are the gentile followers of Christ. Revelation 7 agrees.
@@sishrac Revelation is a second century document. The 616/666 Nero was the Reborn Nero - Hadrian. Revelation 12:4
"The Emperor Hadrian was enraged at the rebellion and sent some of his best generals (Julius Severus and Tineius Rufus) with 12 legions (one-third of the Roman army) to put it down. In fact, it appears that Hadrian returned to Judea and led the campaign himself for a short period (Anthony Everitt, Hadrian and the Triumph of Rome, Kindle Loc. 5213)."
@@dunk_law@dunk_law And what, in your opinion, was Mystery Babylon... Rome?
As was stated in the video, whether it is the 24 elders clothed in white robes with Victor's wreath on their heads in Rev 4, or the 144,000 in Rev 7 that are sealed of the tribes of Israel, both represent the totality of those redeemed by Christ. The 12 tribes of Israel (Jacob) listed in Rev 7 are not the exact 12 tribes or sons of Israel. Dan is left out. Instead, Manasseh (Joseph's firstborn child) a grandson of Jacob, is included. Not a literal listing of the tribes but a spiritual representation, where 12 x 12 (representing believers under both covenants) x 1000 (completeness). The 24 elders and 144,000 represent those "sealed" who are "the bondservants of our God" (Rev7:3), which are all believers throughout history. Hence Rev 7:9 says "and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every nation and of all tribes, peoples, and languages." God is explaining his use of symbolic numbers and defining the 144,000 as a numberless multitude in white robes (wearing Christ's purity) who were redeemed by Christ's blood. Hence the name of Christ and the Father are written on their foreheads (Rev 14:1), for they belong to God.
Question: Since Ruth was a gentile women, even though she followed the Jews in faith, she is not a Jew biologically. Ruth was King David's great-grandmother. She was married to a Jewish husband, but she is a gentile women. How does Ruth being a gentile affect the line of King David? And since she was a gentile married to a Jew and had the line of King David. Could one of the tribes, or all of them, be affected by her gentile blood line and if so how? How would this affect the selection process of the 144,000? Are all 12 tribes Jews since Ruth was a gentile women that had the line of King David?
Israel has *always* had non-Jews within the Covenant community. Ephraim and Manasseh's mother, Caleb, Rahab, Ruth...it's never been about bloodline. Like John the Baptist and Jesus both said, God could raise up the "seed of Abraham" from stones. It's not about bloodline.
Although Ruth's husband Boaz was of the tribe of Judah, they were not referred to as Jews at the time. Your question has a ring of Rabbinic Judaism custom that gives weight to the mothers' Jewish descent. The old Judaism was patriarchal and didn't give weight to the mother's Israelite descent like the Rabbinic Judaism that only came to be ca. 200 years after Christianity. There was, however, a restriction for Israelite men to marry women from the seven nations that inhabited the Land of Canaan, probably due to the Rephaim (a race of giants), the Anakim or sons of Anak (also giants, "long-necked ones"), and the Avim or Avites (dwellers in ruins) that were mixed among them.
Except the 144,000 are in the millennium kingdom and the rest of the raptured people are not soooo they can’t be the same or I am not understanding some aspect of this.
There is no rapture in the Bible.
So you are saying that those 144,000 aren't Jewish virgin males who evangelize the whole world in the tribulation after the church has been raptured, you just burst my bubble 😁
Haha, exegesis has a way of doing that. 😅
This is very misleading, the 144000 are not the multitudes from all nations and tribes. Rev. 14: 1-5. "1 And I looked, and behold, the Lamb was standing upon Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred forty-four thousand having His name and the name of His Father having been written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice out of heaven like the sound of many waters, and like the sound of loud thunder. And the voice that I heard was like that of harpists harping with their harps.
3 And they are singing as a new song before the throne, and before the four living creatures, and the elders. And no one was able to learn the song, except the one hundred forty-four thousand having been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they who have not been defiled with women; for they are pure, these following the Lamb wherever He shall go. These have been redeemed out from men as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth no lie was not found; they are blameless".
You have to read the Book of Revelation in conjunction with Other Books of the Bible especially one or two that were taken out. The 144,000 are standing at Mount Zion with the Lord, here it is much more clear. These are first fruits which means that there is a latter fruits. Please seek the Lord's confirmation on this for He is revealing to those who are the 144,000 and even the tribe to which they belong to.
See our course here on how to read the book of Revelation. It's entirely free.
Wow...two videos in a row under the Search Term 144000....both have Voodoo Dolls being displayed...the other guy has Wonder-Woman and I think some sort of Black Jedi Knight. ...That is totally Creepy! ....Do you not know what they are?
So the Bulldog has the "G"....Golem! That's is what those Dolls represent...the Golem! ...you must be like the Head Golem .... or what, Keeper? The Keeper of! Bull means "War"....War of the Golem!
Not sure if serious... 😅
@@DiscipleDojo You think the 144,000 are Soldiers pre-Paired for War? ...They are not!
@@DiscipleDojo They are the Servants unto the Lord!
@@greensage395 you may want to watch the video before commenting.
It comes down to Truth...if an Angel of the Lord has not come upon you, personally, and placed a Seal upon your Forehead, placing you into your House...well, then it did not happen! What you see, and what you hear...there is a difference!
Revelation is the Testimony of he who sits upon the Right Hand...and he is holding a Scroll. The Dragon of Revelation is the "Christ", and the Multitude are those who Lost their Lives in the Great Tribulation! ...They are to go into the Court-Yard, that which is not Measured...they Wave their Palms...they seek to be Translated! They must wait for the First Resurrection, beyond the Binding of the Christ for 1000-year's, as that Millennial Reign on Earth! ...Everyone Look Busy, he comes Quickly now! The Dragon...the "Christ"! ...You all know him already!
The 144,000 of each of 12 tribes of Jacob (Israel) son's
The 144,000 will be raptured mid trib, they are protected, the tribulation saints will be martyrd for Christ
Nope.