Why Star Wars is a complete MESS | Video Essay
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In this Star Wars Video Essay, we take a deep dive into Why Star Wars is a Complete Mess. Recent announcements at Star Wars Celebration 2023 have shed new light on the future on the Disney Star Wars front. It is.. mixed to say the least. With The Mandalorian currently missing the mark with Season 3, it seems Star Wars is finding it harder than ever to produce high-quality content. Will the return of Daisy Ridley reprising her role as Rey be enough to dig the franchise out of the hole the sequel trilogy made, or is it set to destroy things further? We break it all down!
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The Mandalorian - (2019-2023)
Ahsoka - (2023)
Andor - (2022)
Obi-Wan Kenobi - (2022)
Book of Boba Fett - (2021)
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - (2016)
The Rise of Skywalker - (2019)
The Last Jedi - (2017)
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0:00 - Intro
1:59 - Sponsor
3:33 - Part 1 (Fandom)
7:08 - Part 2 (Rey Film)
13:18 - Part 3 (The Next Chapter) 
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Which of the 3 upcoming films are you most excited for?
Dave Filoni and James Mangold ones are sounding incredible. Rey movie....we'll see.
I forgor what they are
Disney has demonstrated repeatedly it is focused on hypothetical female audiences it has dreamt of creating for a decade. In the process, it has alienated the overwhelmingly male audience that watches all things sci-fi/fantasy. Males do not ever want girl boss Disney princesses in their shows. No one wants WNBA Disney. That is why Disney is struggling. To be sure, guys will show up for Star Wars/marvel…but the rate of this is dropping more and more and more as guys get long tired of the assembly line of girl boss better that every man trope characters. There is an activist agenda at play at Disney that surpasses business decisions…it is a philosophy to take traditionally male genres and make them into feminist vehicles to create future female fans. That’s why I checked out and don’t watch. Nor bring my kids to these shows. Nor have Disney plus. Which is a shame because I’m such an OG fan of Star Wars and was a very avid comic book collector. I’m past the point of anger over what they did to Han and Luke to total apathy. I watch RUclips when I need entertainment to fill my time.
Anything BUT the new Rey movie!!! Hahahaha
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George Lucas had a story he wanted to tell.
Disney has a product they want to sell.
It's as simple as that
Yep. The prequels are imperfect but at least the story is good.
@@BoroPhil7 Prequels: The Rise of Palpatine, the fall of Anakin.
Has the Clone Wars to flesh out what the Prequels were trying to say and so over 7 seasons, validated the prequels and fans having second thoughts about them AND realizing what Lucas was trying to do
OT: The Fall of Palpatine, the redemption of Anakin
To this day, couldn't even tell you what the overarching narrative of the Sequels are. Apart from the arrogance of Disney that they thought they could just wing it because they got money and know the fans would eat whatever they flopped out for Episode 7
@@Tadicuslegion78 when you put it like that it makes the return of Palpatine even worse.
@@BoroPhil7 It IS worse. Like TLJ with faults seemed to want to head on a different direction but Disney got so scared of the divisiveness they just went into "safe mode"
@@HishamA.N_Comicbroe The Last Jedi's biggest flaw is Rian Johnson wanted to tell HIS story HIS way regardless of who, what, where, why, how it fit in with the rest of the larger canon. Which of course is why he dumps all over TFA and throws it all into the trashcan because he didn't care what anyone else had done before or would do afterwards
As i understood it, reys parents/grandparents were: obi wan, then nobody, then palpatine, then nobody again and then 2 weeks before filming rise of skywalker they decided for palpatine 😂
Then she's revealed to be her father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate
They can't get the story straight from the beginning, there's no reason for anyone to like this shit
No clue why they didn't have a plan from the beginning. The Last Jedi felt disjointed and the Rise of Skywalker was just...
Maybe we should have focused on Who is Rey instead of Who are her parents. We aren't following her parents story, we were supposed to follow Rey.
When is it mentioned Obi Wan might be one of her parents/grandparents? It’s been a while since I watched the sequels
You know your character is bad when they make it through an entire Star Wars trilogy without losing a single limb
Underrated comment
Since Anakin lost a limb in Attack of the Clones and Luke lost a limb in Empire Strikes Back, Rey should have lost a limb in the Last Jedi cos of the whole "it rhymes" thing. But the Last Jedi basically isn't a Star Wars film when you look into it.
@@BoroPhil7 I actually thing it should have been Ben Solo loosing the limb, as he should be our actual protagonist and is the actual Skywalker
@@luisenriquegalindo5553 or hell, Finn should have been the one to lose a limb
@@luisenriquegalindo5553 switching it up slightly is a good idea. There is also a perfect point in the film for that to happen.
You said it best, sir. SW used to be the Godfather of film franchises. Now it's just the Transformers Bayverse of modern media.
A lot of people don't like the prequels but I will say that the prequels might evolved the franchise even further by introducing new things within the world. The sequels just stagnated the future of Star Wars by applying nostalgia.
@Danns Productions I used to be an all-time shill for two of Disney's titans, which are SW and the MCU. I now realize they have both become two of my worst drug addictions or fast food eating habits where I'd consume the products from Disney's drug empire or fast food chain even though it isn't good for me. This video only proves my case furthermore and I feel as if there's no rehab for me to go to about it.
@@wickdaline8668 lol wow! Don’t be shill. Don’t consume it just because it’s Star Wars. It’s like fast food. You need to check what’s wrong with it, fix it and then get on a diet. The same for Star Wars.
@Danns Productions That must apply to the MCU, too, but you're not wrong!
A Godfather franchise??
Godfather had three films but the third one was torn apart when it was released. Star Wars is more like the Terminator franchise. Disney will keep beating this dead horse into it's grave.
It breaks my heart to see Star Wars become this.
You will reach apathy eventually.
@@jebpleb1803 I already have. I really could not give two shits about anything Disney Star wars. They already had their chance to impress me, and they failed.
@@superpaytonmars8852 Literally the only thing I’m looking forward to is andor
It has been all down hill since the Star Wars Holiday Special back in the day. RIP Bea Arthur.
@@dashx1103 are you talking about the one in the late 70s?
Disney is on a downward spiral. Everything they have been releasing recently, Marvel or Star Wars, feels like they're trying to course correct their plane crash of an entertainment company. Nothing is worth watching, or exciting, or getting the support it should. Everyone behind these products are too out of touch or just don't have enough care/enthusiasm to make something worth while for these IP's. Putting someone new behind these products is not the solution. The people behind it need to decide where they want to take these products and come up with at least a 5-year plan, because throwing things at the wall to see what sticks is just losing money for them. I want good Star Wars, I want good Marvel. I would give them all of my money but I need to be entertained. I want to WANT to see these movies but they are so bad, generic, and just uninteresting. They're making movies I'd rather just watch on streaming or pirate services, not events to be seen in theaters. They need to do better, actually care about the products they're making, and they will see the money. Idk how they managed to make their products this bad for this long but I hope somebody picks it up soon, I miss these movies a lot.
I was hoping this point would be made in this video. Marvel is getting movies and has a presence in the theater, and we see where that is going. Star Wars hasn't even had as many wins as Marvel, and I really doubt that bringing it back is going to go well either.
Not "everything" cuz they've been a few mcu & SW stuff recently that was great but other than that... Yeah.
The only thing Star Wars has done extremely right was andor. I think it’s exceptional but again shows like obi wan and boba should have been treated with the same amount of care if not more.
My three takes are: Rey should've been a nobody, and this should've been revealed in the first movie. Luke shouldn't have been a chicken as they made him be. And Palpatine shouldn't have returned, somehow. But most importantly, I'm still shocked that Disney, this huge company didn't have a line of story to be broken into three movies since the beginning. If I shake my head too much over this, I'll have a concussion. The Force Awakens wasn't a terrible movie (it wasn't that great either), but I wish things had gone differently from there...
I don’t understand how a company like this didn’t have all the trilogy planned since the start. And how they put directors and creatives with opposite creative views to work in different films…. Also, the idea of Palpatine retuning was of the Disney executives, they though that a known villain returning was the thing the third movie needed to do better than the second one at the cinema 🥴
Dude they're a monopolist entity. No company that big at this point in Capitalism really cares about quality or the craft of a story.
They care about throwing money at safe names like JJ Abrams, or at wild card success stories like Looper, and watching them crank out content to generate profit.
All the incompetency that Corporate Entertainment demonstrates is exactly what an independent artist like Lucas takes pleasure in criticizing.
That's the soul of the film that's gone. And it won't be back because their nature as a monolithic company necessitates profit and that they keep churning out whatever they can.
My take is she either should have been nobody or she should have been cloned from Luke's hand which would explain her connection to him, visions of him, connection to that saber, and would actually make her a Skywalker.
Funny thing is, Palpatine did come back in the Legends as a Force ghost, but Luke still had to stop him. And Ben was the name of Luke and Mara's son (because that makes more sense) but Han and Leia's boy did fall to the dark side
@@MoRPho151Right? Like not having an overarching story is insane, but could be forgiven if it’s a singular vision. It’s painfully obvious Vader wasn’t Luke’s father in A New Hope. So you can make it up as you go if it’s one person.
But to not have a story, then hire someone for the second movie who hated everything from the first and just threw it all away is unforgivable.
The biggest issue with sequel characters like Rey, Finn, Poe, is that they were almost hilariously badly handled in the sequel trilogy and get a catch-22: to make them better, you'd have to retcon parts of ST, which Disnep wouldn't be cool with, or you'd have to soldier on with bad characters in a show or a movie that might be decent, but it would be even better with good characters.
That’s the worst part. There’s nothing to do to make the ST better without fundamentally changing it or scrapping it as a whole. They fucked it up that badly. At this point they need to do what fans always wanted and make shit about the OLD REPUBLIC, or just spearhead far into the future and make a brand new story.
That Shrek clip with Kathleen Kennedy sums up how the fanbase feels PERFECTLY
I’m done with Disney. They have deceived me too many times. Won’t support any of their future projects.
A good writer would make a movie because of the story. For Disney, it is all about the money.
Disney has doomed the franchise ever since 2014 when it turned canon into legends. Yes, you may own the rights but if you think you are above the generations of fans, you'll fail into an implosion of your own toxicity. This is a good lesson. If you want to make your own content, *make your own content.* If you want to make money off Star Wars, continue George Lucas's content including the moral of his stories. Anyone who's in the movie business needs to follow this.
I'm glad they did that, since they concisely divided things into pre and post Disney acquisition, and I can safely entirely avoid the latter.
My biggest Star Wars hot take is that decanonizing legends is the only good decision Disney had ever made for Star Wars. They disrespected the canon even more than the sequel trilogy. Of course, Disney did it on accident and just wanted to clear space for their awful trilogy, but the result bettered the absolute mess of a Star Wars canon, until of course they made the sequel trilogy.
Jacen Solo and Ben Skywalker suck.
They made the right decision scrapping that shit.
They also made absolutely terrible decisions making a new trilogy though.
I just don't get why they haven't just... stopped yet. It's their money/investment, if I was an investor or C-level at Disney I'd be livid. Just don't get why they're attempting to burn the IP to the ground instead of simply respecting it and the fans, and being able to write a basic story.
i dont think you can say that given andor rogue one, the animated shows, the Mandalorian. The stuff they just announced doesnt even look worse than the prequel movies.
Rogue One and Andor are the best things to come out of Star Wars during Disney's tenure. Why aren't they throwing money at Tony Gilroy to create more phenomenal stories?
Even the Bad Batch turned out to be a pretty good Star Wars show. I'm still not over the S2 finale.😥
I've liked most of the material that doesn't have Rey in it. Especially the mandalorian.
Tony Gilroy doesn't want to be tied down to Star Wars. He is making Andor Season 2 and then he's out.
Why? Because of KK and her "Females are THE BESTEST EVAR!!!!"
@salvadorHombre I don't blame him, honestly. It takes massive balls of steel to go in and take on a Star Wars project knowing you're constantly under the shadow of KK.
Clearly the lack of a plan with the sequel trilogy is the reason it didn't go well. Rian Johnson's direction was completely different from Abrams and it messed everything up.
Pretty much this. The sequel trilogy should have been planned out from day 1 and it wasn't.
@@LoneWolf-rc4go yep.
Abrams is the one that messed it up in the first place with his mystery box bullshit.
TLJ was terrible, it felt like a first draft with shitty jokes and terrible execution, but Rian was right to kill a lame ass character like Snoke and make Rey's parents be nobody.
I know I'm alone, but when everybody was asking who Snoke or Rey's parents were after TFA came out I couldn't stop groaning "who gives a flying fuck?"
I wanted a good story, not things to satisfy my SW knowledge or wookiepedia articles.
@@jkcrawl I disagree.
@@jkcrawl Can't forgive RJ for literally dropping the baton that was passed to him. If he didn't want to continue the story that JJ started, he should have bowed out and let someone else do it. And it's not like he had some awesome direction he was heading towards. Side plots are OK in an episodic series but did we really need that long detour to the slave-kid-casino planet? And the main story was a classic Idiot Plot, creating silly drama between Po and Holdo that could have been resolved with one simple conversation.
This is one of the best takes on Star Wars overall and the upcoming train wreck we’re about to witness
Daisy is a fine actress, Ray is a poor character. The writers did her dirty and it absolutely sucks
Daisy was barely an actress at all. What roles has she been in before Force Awakens?
@@AIONBERSERKER what roles mark hamill have before Star Wars?
@@AIONBERSERKER they look for inexperienced young actors because for people that actress is now Rey, is a branding strategy. The less recognizable the actor in other roles the better.
And we have to remember that acting is also influenced by direction. There are amazing actors that are able to do an amazing role even in a movie with poor direction… but she is inexperienced and lacks the training to do that… I think she has the potential to do a good job with a better director in charge. Honestly, that role does not need a top profesional actor to be good, the thing that failed was the script, dialogues and the lack of direction of her character and the story in general.
No, she's really not that good. I saw bits of her in that other movie recentish, The Bubble...no comedic timing. No real emotion she can display.
Daisy HERSELF even critiqued the whole palpatine lmao
That lead up to Last Jedi is probably the best it’ll ever get again. Not gonna fool people into getting hyped for Star Wars ever again
It's actually really simple, and I don't know how much more we can repeat it years later. JJ, Kathy and Disney never had a plan for a trilogy. Stupid? Very. Baffling? Extremely. Inexcuseable? Absolutely. Impossible? Apparently not.
Exactly. Led to the contradictory-ness of the Last Jedi and the other films.
I remember a simpler time where there were only 6 movies and the prequels other than EP3 were universally hated.
I always loved Episodes 1 and 2 as a kid. I think the sequels made people appreciate the prequels more.
The hate club of the prequrls got us to where we are today. The prequels are masterpieces in comparison.
I was about to like your comment until you said the prequels were "universally hated". Nope, bad script maybe but the overall plot set up the rise of the Empire nicely. Yes, there were some plot holes but you have to nitpick a lot.
There were always people who loved the prequels, especially the generation that grew up with them who have now matured and have a voice to say what they like the most, even some of them who were introduced to Star Wars thanks to the prequels, at the end of the day the prequels were and are just as part of Star Wars as the originals. I even have family members (one of whom is a huge fan) who watched the originals at the time and also liked the prequels, the one fan I mentioned had all 6 movies on dvd, and one of those relatives had no problem with Jar Jar Binks (neither I).
Don't forget that the prequels expanded the Star Wars universe and opened the doors for projects like Clone Wars, and I remind you that even Clone Wars 3D took a little time to be loved by some fans.
Life is much more than being an immature fan or an internet film critic without a social life to talk and complain on social networks.
thats why the shitty sequels,thanks prequel haters the sequels are what you asking for because george lucas is so "bad" in writing .
Rey, in and of herself, wasn't a terrible character, but she - and by association, Daisy Ridley - were done dirty by a team of utterly incompetent writers and filmmakers. She couldn't just be a totally new character with no ties to who had come before her; a nobody from nowhere who, by twist of fate, was granted with great power through the Force and, thereby, destined to be the one to bring about the rebirth of the Jedi Order. No; she had to be PALPATINE'S FREAKING GRANDDAUGHTER through plot contrivances so sloppily conceived that the worst fan fiction writers on the planet would look at that and say, "Hmm, that's kinda stupid".
I liked Rey, and I liked Daisy as Rey, but I hate what the people behind the Sequel Trilogy did to the character, and I don't know if this new film can rectify all that. No; you know what? I'm going to be realistic here: I am quite confident that this new film WON'T rectify all that, no matter how hard they try.
And, I'm sorry, but I don't worship at the Altar of Filoni like other people here do. Yeah; it's clear that he LOVES Star Wars, but I don't see him reaching beyond what he loves about it to try anything NEW. I just see him making more and more of the same stuff with the same characters, like a kid who only plays with his favorite Star Wars figures while others remain untouched. He's not going to bring anything truly innovative or new to the table; he'll just find new ideas for the same old characters. That's not moving forward or letting go of the past. That's just "same shit, different series".
Rey was ultimately an unsatisfying character. You can't have an effective main character who has no character arc. What were Rey's faults? What were the things she struggled and failed at? How did she ultimately overcome these faults and struggles? That's a character arc. Instead, Rey is a complete blank slate with little to no personality written for her. Yes, she has abilities but that's not the same thing as personality. Luke, Han, Leia, C3PO - they all have personalities that make them relatable.
Being a nobody would make Rey even more of Mary Sue than she already is.
Given the mixed bag we've had to deal with over the past 8 years-I'm sorry. But I will take Filoni and Favreau's safe over feeling sorry again. It has come to that, unfortunately. Were Star Wars not in such a precarious state, I would agree with you on the need to try something new. But-yeah. "Better safe than sorry."
The problem with Rey is she's a terrible legacy character. They turn all the OT characters into failures so she can steal their accomplishments- like Palpatine comes back so REY can kill him and get bragging rights to destroy the sith instead of Anakin. Now she's going to restore the jedi instead of Luke. She's like a fanfic character trying to one-up everyone.
Not to mention she's just a rip off of Luke. Desert planet hero- secret offspring of a sith lord... finds a droid in the desert with important rebel info only to be chased off planet by stormtroopers on the falcon... remind you of anyone.
Tbf, her acting wasn’t much to write home about
What you said around 13:55 about Kathleen Kennedy “doing one final
F you” to SW fans is exactly what it feels like!
If Rey isn't a Mary Sue, then no one is and the term has no meaning.
It's not doomed to failure OR will it be revitalized. It will just... CONTINUE. It'll continue to be JUST PROFITABLE ENOUGH to keep being made.
Star Wars will ebb and flow equivocal to the Batman franchise. If it wasn't for the failure of George Clooney's Batman we would have never gotten Christian Bale’s Batman.
@@Ironwalrus8989 only issue is, we havent had a win. As good as Christian Bales batman in Starwars yet. we’ve had solid movies but nothing even close to what that brought about.
@@alexwoods5132 What I'm saying is the Rey spin-off movie will be the Batman and Robin of the star wars franchise. The film will flop hard both critically and Financially to the point where they’ll have to retcon the sequels and try something completely new. The dawn of the Jedi could be the Batman beings of star wars.
Give us a bane trilogy that is based on the books. It’s not hard to go off the amazing stories that are in legends
There are so many scenes from his trilogy that I can picture perfectly. Bane Vs Kopesh in the Sith temple as well as seeing Zannah's Sith sorcery would be amazing
I can just imagine watching the scene where Bane makes Darth Zannah slowly domesticate a small animal over the course of weeks only to snap its neck and make her cook it.
I would absolutely hate watching that scene but I can just imagine the theater's reaction.
Yes and yes please! I'd love to see him and Darth Zannah brought to the big screen.
You can't have such a thing with Disney's name stamped on it. They'd only corrupt it
I don't want them to ever touch the Old Republic. Ever. I have no idea why people are wanting films set in the era. 20 years ago it would've been the coolest shit you'd have ever seen in sci-fi. but nowadays, there is no passionate director who tells everyone just how great the era is and a writer who see more than an era but a philosophical battle to the death about the force, about true good and about your own role in such a world and wants to tell a complete narrative. It's just Disney and their ruinous team.
They’re trying to show the fans who runs Star Wars, and acting like they’re our parents and we eat what they cook.
When they’re more akin to a restaurant we don’t have to do business with, if we don’t like the menu.
I’m genuinely angry at how much they have ruined the Mandalorian in only one season.
I swear to God, all I have to look forward to is the second season of Andor at this point. At least that team isn’t going to let Kathy ruin everything.
I think the lesson is that Disney star wars can only be counted on producing crap. Why put faith in Lucasfilm when they screw up anything they touch.
I'll tell you what, The Mandalorian was already bad since long, specifically after the opening episodes. The difference is that back then it used not to be boring at least, there were things happening and old characters coming in. But the writing itself has always been below acceptable. Now it's gotten boring and directionless until the last episode where every plot point was rushed as hell because, well, it's almost over.
Will Andor only be 2 seasons which will lead to where he is in Rogue One?
We've only seen half of season 3....
Director: we ruined the Mandalorian series but now it is ending we have nothing left to ruin.
Kathy stairing at Andor: there is another.
Rey is a character without a likable personality. The only conflict she ever had was her own narcissism: feeling insecure, needing affirmation, needing validation, only to realize that she needed no-one at all and that she was awesome from the start. She could even come out as a Skywalker just by saying so. I understand why that resonates with some people, but there is just nowhere to go now. How believable would it even be to give her some kind of actual struggle now, after 3 movies? What good will a 4th movie be that pretty much undoes what the previous 3 movies have done? And this would even be the good option. The bad option would be a Rey movie that just keeps doubling down: she battles the patriarchy, AGAIN. She is the most awesome hero, AGAIN. She won't need anyone's help, AGAIN...
My take on the sequel trilogy is: Ben Solo should have been our protagonist. Rey is a nobody mirroring Anakin, she is a child of the force, conceived to work as a dyad with Ben, an attempt of the force to bring balance in itself since the Skywalker lineage is too strong being created by manipulation of the force. Both Ben and Rey continuously change places in this light side/dark side battle (could even be a tragic love story considering they love each other but the more one pulls to the light the other is instantly pulled to the dark) which eventually leads to the death of Luke and Leia, leaving them both as the only strong force users in the galaxy. This all leads them both to investigate into this lineage, understanding the force deeper than ever and (without introducing him physically but as a force ghost) we see Plaguis motives on creating Anakin and the nature of balance. In the finale, they’re both doomed to die together to keep balance, or live and battle each other all their lives.
I'm not sure if I'm a huge fan of the Ben Solo protagonist thing, but I do believe he should have been the Skywalker in the Rise of Skywalker instead of making it Rey and making it boring.
yep, something more deep and meaningful than dark side, light side, rebels empire. She should have taken his hand in TLJ and they could mould a new Jedi Order together. But no, thats not fitting for a Mary Sue
I had this idea that Kylo and Rey would switch roles in Episode 9. Rey learns to embrace her powers of darkness because she learns her parents abandoned her due to that. Kylo realizes his grandfather's and his uncle's sacrifice and decides to keep Rey on the good side, but realizes he has to stop her. But is conflicted because he sees a lot of himself in her. And ultimately he sacrifices himself to bring her back to the light side before she dies as well. Doesn't even need to have a shoehorned love story. It would've been a bittersweet ending.
Seeing the clips again in this video has reminded me: those cinematics Bioware created as part of SWTOR are straight up better and tell better stories than anything we've got from Disney Star Wars. I'd love to see Bioware make a full animation in that style, even though that would be prohibitively expensive I imagine.
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again... and expecting different results."
The question is, will they actually make the film? Many previously announced SW movies were eventually thrown in the bin. Disney is hemorrhaging money, and it won't surprise me if by this time next year we'll hear about the movie being cancelled.
New Rey movie is basically Star Wars Legends of what Luke Skywalker did! Seriously it feels unneeded.
Disney has owned Star Wars for what 11 years now and they still can't grasp what "feels like Star Wars" yet. I remember how baffled I was when they cast Benicio Del Toro and Laura Dern in TLJ because seeing recognisable actors in SW just felt off. Then they go and slap in Lizzo and Jack Black on it like it's nothing. Combine that with Filoni's flavor of SW or Gilroy's cynicism and it's just hard to enjoy anything.
It isn't just Star Wars, but all of Disney's products in their entertainment media division. Their parks aren't doing so well either.
Disney and LucasFilm just aren't listening to the *CONSUMER* or *FANS*, and that is the real problem.
18:33 How about someone from the Extended Universe/Legends days like Timmothy Zahn or James Luceno. Those where Star Wars creators who pushed the franchise forward and respected what other creators did.
The reason Disney doesn't want to completely disavow the new trilogy is quite simple: doing so would mean admitting their complete failure on top of accepting that doing the movies/shows for the sole purpose of sending the questionable morale and messaging (without telling a good story with good characters) to the masses doesn't work. Disney has the resources to f*ck around, at least for now, but the cracks are starting to show, and it is just a matter of time before the entire thing collapses on itself if they keep on forcing their present course.
The new Thrawn Trilogies laid out the perfect opportunity to move forward and build something different while utilizing the elements that make Star Wars, Star Wars! I don't get it!
WHERE IS MARA JADE??
@RawnchyDeard I would love to see a series of Luke's adventures where Mara is a force in his life. Luke's life is still unexplored in this new Canon.
Thrawn's new cast of characters brings more of Thrawn's humanity to the forefront. Eli Vanto and Thrawn have such a great relationship similar to Frodo and Sam. Ara'lani is an older sister figure for Thrawn that has his back 100%, even when Thrawn drives her insane due to his lack of subtly. Thalias clearly deeply loves Thrawn, and Che'ri is their adopted daughter. Ba'kif is the father that Thrawn needs to help him stay the course while serving the Chiss. Thrawn is a hero who knows the greater good is worth the harder path. Thrawn cares deeply for all people.
The Chaos is a perfect setting to explore how other species use the force and allows the Star Wars Universe to expand.
I hope Filoni sees the opportunities with these characters and the treasure trove of untold stories waiting in the world of Thrawn.
@@jonasplaysguitar81 I was referring to Mara’s involvement in the original Thrawn trilogy. I mean, she was right there at the climax, after having such a huge role. Disney and KK just threw her away.
KK thinks she’s creative and my fear is that she will butcher not only Thrawn, but the entire IP because she believes her brand is superior to Lucas and Filoni. Heavy-handed changes are her M.O.
I have little hope for SW until KK gets the axe. Everything she touches dies.
@@jonasplaysguitar81 I think this is part of the problem. Younger generations want their bad guys to be flawed good guys. Not sure why.
Rey is totally a Mary Sue ... if there is a zone named M.S., she'd be the Major of it. All powerful, universally liked and always with the moral high ground. It's undeniable.
The problems started in TFA, it recycled the first film, reset Solo's character, forced us to focus on a mystery they clearly didn't have an answer for, had a lead with no character arc nor growth, made a soldier who was a kidnapped child rebel because not wanting to kill perfectly happy (ecstatic even) to kill his former fellow kidnapped soldiers, got both the force and hyperspace wrong and insinuated Luke ran away.
This movie needs to fail for Star Wars to succeed.
“I’m all the sith.”
“And I’m all the Jedi.”
It’s as if a damn child wrote this script while playing with his action figures.
But then again, maybe that’s what Ryane Jonson and JarJar Abrams were doing when they wrote the scripts we got in these AAA movies 🤦♂️
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And another thing I’ve noticed, is that Star Wars has no focus, no direction and no unified vision. It’s a damn chaotic mess.
Such a damn shame too..
I absolutely love Rogue One
rogue one sucked. And it breaks canon and continuity with A New Hope and as such is in no way canon to George Lucas’s Star Wars A New Hope.
Essentially they are giving her the story that should have been Lukes. Fans won't be pleased and they have every right to be.
I would have even been OK with Luke failing to restore the Jedi IF they had made that the subject of Ep7. Instead they just tell us about it. I mean, whoa. That's a pretty big plot point for mere exposition. Please show us what happened, don't just tell us.
The sequels didn't need both Rey and Kylo. Just one of them for Luke to pass on the knowledge of the Jedi would have been enough. And yes, it can go bad like it did for Obi Wan and Anakin but unlike the prequels, in the sequels they need to triumph in the end. With two characters, however, it's not clear who the focus should be on. Rey is the protagonist of record but is she really? The sequels are really Kylo's story, his fall from grace to his redemption at the very end.
Exactly
@@gunkulator1 Kylo was just a phoned in rehash of Vader’s arc. They should’ve cut him entirely tbh
I love how you keep using Homelander to express your current thoughts on Star Wars
If Ahsoka & Guardians 3 don’t succeed, Disney will be in serious trouble
This is why I actually really like Star Wars visions
Some are hit and miss but most are ORIGINAL and CREATIVE
Like a lot of those stories could easily be spun into its own movie series or show and wouldn’t need to rely on the prequels or original series
And it’s hilarious that Disney and Lucas film can’t do the same
Visions is nothing but artsy animu trash with no substance or cohesion.
Thats because just like things like what if amd elseworlds, they are not canon and they can do whatever they want without conecting it to the main story. Dc and marvel do this all the time woth batman and spidermsn, and while sure there are some duds they also did amazing things without beeing in the mcu or the dceu. Hell matt reeves demanded that his take on batman is completly separate from the dc timeline because it limits his own ideas for this universe. Why star wars can't do the same, because i don't see an universe where the original trilogy, the prequels, the sequels, the clone wars tv show, the mandalorian, andor and friggin fallen order can be in the same universe because they focus more in what ties in whatever next proyect they have in mind than whatever they have in front of them. I mean how the hell i could take serious the empire in andor if they will ended defeated by ewoks at the end. Thats like taking serious heath leadger joker only to realice he will become jared leto in the suicide squad because "they share the same universe"
@@motor4X4kombat You inadvertedly exposed why Disney Star Wars is a badly juxtaposed mess that doesn't work.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 i though everybody knew it
@@motor4X4kombat Believe me, the mass delusion is still strong.
I actually do remember people loving The Force Awakens and couldn’t wait for the questions to be answered but then TLJ released and then suddenly every sequel film was hated. If they had kept JJ working on the whole sequel trilogy then I feel it would’ve been decent and not shit. Disney will be Disney though.
It is possible that this wound in the fandom may never be healed.
Possibly cos tons of people say the Last Jedi is awful when saying that is the exact reason why the fandom fell apart. I'm not saying the Last Jedi is good or bad, but strong opinions on this movie is the reason the fandom split in two.
@@BoroPhil7 it is awful though
The only way to do it is to do a full reboot and only keep the SIX movies George lucas was involved in and go from There.
@@javierlopez9789 no because even if it is a bad opinion there are people who like the sequels, and even if no one did it would still be controversial to make them non-canon.
There's no way that the teaser trailer for this movie is going to have the same vibe like TFA one when it first came out.
It's hard to take Lucasfilms serious with Kathleen Kennedy as the head of the company. She let Rian Johnson write quite possibly the worst movie in the history of blockbuster films. They literally gave him the authority to do whatever he wanted despite how illogical it was to the already established universe and how damning it was to the individual characters and storyline. Hell his own script contradicts itself so many times it was hard to believe what I was watching.
The director picked for this movie is all I need to know about it.
agreed
Yes and no... Dont stop at the "duh shes an activist thats gonna be woke garbage". The sequels were made by accomplished and good directors, and failed, awfully. Why not give it to someone that has never made a movie then ? A lot of amazing movies are made by people that step out of their comfort zone, just recently look at Joker, made by a comedy director ! I think we should give it a chance at least. And actually hope that being directed by an acutal activist will give it a better message, and less forced. The director actually worked on documentaries involving strong women fighters in the war, I think she can bring some of that to Rey, and not make her a shitty character like she is now
The MarySue thing is actually worse than people made it out to be. She had like an hour of training and became an absolute god of the force able to take down its most powerful practitioner who had decades and decades of dedicated study, without suffering a SINGLE permanent setback at any point during the trilogy and NEVER failing at anything attempted.
Rey spent all her life on Jakku, a desert planet. Yet in the next movie, she can swim. And in the following, she pilots a boat better than who it belongs to
Here's how I envision exactly why Disney (and KK) want to double down on Rey and the Sequel trilogy.
First, if your initial forays into a character or time period are not necessarily successful, you can redeem those eras or characters through extra content. Look at the Prequel era. Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones weren't exactly beloved when they came out, but Lucasfilm persisted and created a lot of extra content for both the characters and the setting.
And what happened? A lot of current SW prequel fans became fans through the animated series as well as the other material and games that came during that time. Additionally, we had games, comics, and other media that fleshed out the Prequel era.
But what have we had with the Sequel trilogy? We've had a few books, I guess, and there was that one animated show. But there's been very little extra content to make people even begin to like the Sequel trilogy (at least for those who didn't really like it). So what do you do? You create extra content around the Sequel trilogy era to flesh out characters and settings that were not fleshed out in the prior movies. In that regard, I can totally understand why Disney is doing what it is doing with the Rey sequel.
Second, I think there is an ideological point to it.
What does Disney lose if it abandons the Sequel trilogy? They admit that they were wrong, and that some of the fans (and yes, some of the haters) were right. Given that a lot of people have branded the Sequel detractors as some sort of "-ists" or "-phobes," you would be admitting that some of your ideological opponents were in fact correct. I don't think that the current Disney believes that they can make that decision.
Kennedy's ego and legacy are on the line. If she can't get the MaRey Sue Palpatine movie made and if it doesn't do well if it is released, her "sequels" will be erased sooner or later. She's desperate to prove they still work. They don't. They never did and never will. The "sequels" made money by burning through ~40 years of goodwill and a desire to see Luke, Han, and Leia again. Those three are the main characters of Star Wars and there's no escaping that fact. That's why Luke's return in The Mandalorian was received as if Jesus had come back, but MaRey Sue Palpatine's announced return was met with anger from most people, those clapping seals at a highly screened live event notwithstanding.
Wow, well said!
If I were Disney, I'd want to make adaptations of the Various Legends-specific stories (The Karen Traviss RC novels, Legacy Of The Force novels, Labyrinth Of Evil, the Rogue Squadron novels, the New Jedi Order novels and Splinter Of The Mind's Eye are notable examples) instead of a Rey-Centric post-ST film. Heck, if I wanted to, I'd tell a few more stories set in the Dark-Times era (19 BBY-2 BBY) about the various separatist holdouts and other early rebel group/cells.
how dare you be so reasonable, that's not allowed online and DEFINITELY not in fandoms
When The Force Awakens came out my first thought was that it was harmless nostalgia bait. Calling it a Sequel and claiming it was standing at the same level as GL's work was jumping the gun, but it wasn't upsetting content. I didn't love anything in it, but I didn't hate it either. Within minutes of the movie's end, though, I realized my problem: it had no passion. The love was quite literally gone. I had no desire to watch more Star Wars after The Force Awakens and was perfectly willing to let other people risk it to decide whether or not the coming projects were worth it. So far, only Mando 1-2, Rogue One and Andor have managed it. Amongst the vast ocean of new content since Disney acquired the franchise, 2.5 successes is...dismal. My only hope was that they didn't ruin Ahsoka, but your interest in Dawn of the Jedi at least reassures me that my current strategy might still get some good results.
Rey is a Mary Sue by definition. I think the actress is fairly competent, which helps with Rey’s character, but the script will never allow the actress to rise above the confines of what a Mary Sue is. She’s uninteresting because there’s no way she can’t be. I think there’s backlash against the Mary Sue thing in the fanbase because the media was super quick to brand anyone who said the words “Mary Sue” as a sexist, which is absurd. It’s a well-defined literary term. Many people examined themselves and wondered if indeed the media was correct, and they started to avoid the term because it was now, along with pretty much every other dissident sentiment, a political issue. Don’t back down. Mary Sue is the term for Rey because that’s what she is. It’s ok to admit it. She’s a bad character, written by bad writers who were hamstrung by bad producers who wanted bad things to make good money for themselves.
Why does nobody talk about Fallen Order? Seriously the story is so good…Kenobi stole some of it for some stupid reason. It’s a great game and great inclusion in the original timeline. I can’t give it enough praise.
Well heck even Kyle Katarn's Story from The Jedi Knight / Jedi Outcast games would have been a great movie series
@@rangergooseman fucking agreed
It's good but I wouldn't say it massively changes the overall state of Star Wars.
@@BoroPhil7 yeah bud changing the overall state of Star Wars got us the last three garbage movies. Maybe let’s not do that anymore.
@@80sMoviesRule1 Jedi Fallen Order is fine, but it's still rooted in a garbage continuity.
Disney should not be trusted with making up the origins of the Jedi. They have no clue about the lore and it will be as shallow as a kitty pool
When did Ray have time to learn Wookiee while scavenging on a desert?
They botched Obi Wan. I'm not expecting anything.
It would've been interesting to see a mainline Star Wars story where we see it in a Sith's perspective. Then as the saga continues, we slowly get to see them lean more and more to the Light Side.
Breaking Good
What is Rey going to teach the young lings? She doesn't use a light saber form, she got her force abilities without training in any meaningful way and basically got power ups whenever the story needed her to be stronger. Rey gona tell the kids to "just get good" when a sith is running at them?
Rey is perceived as a Mary Sue because none of her mistakes have consequences she can learn and grow from. Luke paid with his hand for facing Vader before he was ready. Learning from mistakes is something everybody can relate to, makes you find something to identify with a character. The lack there of made Rey unrelatable and kind of bland.
I personally hate that they steered away from the Skywalkers because that is what it was originally all about. And their story is not finished. Or ended in the worst way. They were supposed to be the New Hope... and then they weren't. I wish they could find a way to finish that right. and then move on.
I agree with you 100%. Dave Filoni would be a great choice to lead the Star Wars Franchise, I think many of the issues he is having with his current shows is that is trying to weave a tale in which the Sequel Turdogy somehow makes sense and somehow tying it back to the Lucas Films but that sort of artistic gymnastics is something I am not sure anyone can pull off.
“Disney Star Wars is not my Star Wars.” - George Lucas
All Star Wars made by Disney is not canon. Yes, that includes rogue one and andor. Everything made by Disney is not canon.
Honestly my excitement is Zero, Personally thought the sequel trilogy should have been about Luke and the New Jedi Council, With the Council wanting to be more proactive,basically kicking him out and him going into hiding and training a new Apprentice to oppose them, Basically no more Sith (Bringing Balance to the Force) only Light , Dark and Grey Jedi. In the end The Apprentice realizes what Luke was trying to tell them, that the Balance, basically the Grey path is the right one to follow. That's just me though
We will look back at this, and laugh because this film will never see the day of light.
I don’t want Star Wars to fail, but I haven’t seen anything to make me hope it will get better. As far as anticipation for TLJ, it paled in comparison to the hype prior to Phantom Menace. There will never be anything more highly anticipated or a bigger letdown.
Glad you don't want it to fail cos I hear everyone saying about how entertaining the fall of Disney is when that basically means the fall of Star Wars and the MCU.
@@BoroPhil7 I mean Star Wars & MCU are failing regardless of whether people find enjoyment in it. If there was any sign of a significant course change people wouldn’t keep rooting for failure, but as long as Disney keeps announcing dumb projects, pushing social agenda over entertainment, & skimping on talented writers, your only options are walk away completely or enjoy the train wreck
@Gamer97 why would you want it to fail
@@BoroPhil7I mean the mcu is failing now. I don’t have near the same excitement or joy watching it now compared to back then leading up to End Game. Shit is just blah now with terrible story telling and just not type of continuity from previous films. Star Wars has been fucked since ep 8. Shirt from the beginning with no actual planning going on and ppl just making shot just to make it. Honestly the best thing would be fore it to fail so Disney can let it go and someone pick up the pieces and restart it all
@@lordgrim355 well yeah I suppose someone can pick them both up and make them good BUT that would be a while away and Disney falling while they have to manage the MCU AND Star Wars doesn't lead to good movies.
What is killing me about this is that they first lied about having no source materials to base the sequels on, killed the EU and turned it into Legends once they realized that was not the case, and didn't want to be hampered by what they felt was inferior works, and then they realized their movies/ideas sucked and are now stealing ideas (have been) from the EU they killed and are instead pushing it with their new crap characters.
Luke was suppose to rebuild the Jedi academy, not Rey. Why was it so hard for them to just adhere to what was already present and loved and then just build on it? They could have easily introduced new characters like Rey, Finn, Poe and so on so forth while paying homage and respect to what came before and sending off legacy characters in meaningful ways, and don't even get me started with how bad the new writers are and how much they seem to not understand anything about Star Wars whatsoever. This is why I quit Disney Star Wars and will not be coming back to it no matter how much they try to salvage it. Disney is a cancer.
When I think of how Disney has handled Star Wars, I see a company who bought land with a nice mineshaft that was decently maintained and packed with gold ready to be harvested. They then blew the mineshaft up, buried its corridors in rubble, and started digging 2 miles away, and are wondering why they can't strike the same gold George did before Disney got involved.
100%
Here's the thing, for me I just think the Sequels were taking stuff from the originals to make a movie because they did not want to take risks. They don't feel epic, they just feel restricted. They were never trying to do something different or new to evolve the Star Wars franchise. Now it just feels stagnant because they relied on too much nostalgia.
The exception is the Last Jedi, which went too far. (in my opinion)
Who in their right mind would class the Last Jedi as a masterpiece 😂
Star Wars - Tales of the Jedi, is amazing, and I really recommend it.
It’s so funny to me that there are people who manage to convince themselves that “Star Wars is dead” or Star Wars is “shaky” and “needs to find it footing”
8:05 you lost me at the Mary Sue thing was a "little overcooked".. dude, she was a Jedi Master on day zero - with no training whatsoever.
That's one of the most M.S. moments in cinema history!
They need to straighten out the story line first. I'm so confused on who even Rey is.
If you want to do another story on Rey you need an origins story released first.
Or at least a few TV episodes to explain things.
But the bigger problem to me is not Rey it is how Palpatine came back and was he just a clone or did they move his mind/spirit from his old body into a new one, or did Palpatine somehow just survive the fall or what.
I'm so confused on the whole story right now and if it was me I would just start over and can 7,8,9 films.
Like you said episode seven was good, it gave us a good backstory to build on.
But also like you said episode eight destroyed Star Wars.
Episode nine felt like a salvage job but failed to explain things.
Now how do you build on that.
The whole thing is a mess, either reboot 7,8,9 or do a movie/show/series leading up to 7,8,9 that explains Rey, that explains Palpatine (which they are trying to do now), that explains Luke and how he turned into a bum, that explains the Knights of Ren, that explains the mess they made with those movies cause it will be hard to move on if you don't do that first.
She has no origins. She lived on a desert planet for 20 years, 1 day gets on the falcon and 1 year later she destroys palpatine, Ren and the First order just like that
@@nickjcirillo And that is a problem, they need to fix it
George Lucas might be able to buy his company back pennies on the dollar and make it legendary again.
And then finally "American Graffiti 3!"
I don't think most people dislike Daisy Ridley, and I think a lot of people, if not the vast majority, would be open to any Star Wars film she's in, or helming, that's "good." The problem is, the specific director they've hired for the new film, and the way she's being "advertised," really seems to reinforce a lot of the fears and apprehension that a lot of fans have for it.
It's just not hard to make a "pro-feminist" film that's also not misandrist. Alien. Aliens. Terminator. Terminator 2. Every Hayao Miyazaki film. Arcane, if you want a more recent example.
The problem is, Kathleen Kennedy, and a lot of people working in Hollywood today, don't seem to understand the difference, or are actively misandrist. It doesn't help that they constantly employ hacks like J.J. Abrams who don't even understand how the basics of a story work.
The Force Awakens did it's job by getting us all reinvested in the Star Wars mythos. My sister and I who are lifelong fans were as giddy as ever walking out of that movie. This is despite the fact that it was essentially a soft reboot of A New Hope. Then came The Last Jedi which completely destroyed everything. It's as simple as that.
Awesome video, honestly pisses me off how they’ve ruined this franchise. I’ll never get over Kenobi, OBI WAN KENOBI show and you fail to deliver.
While Kathleen Kennedy (KK) is a brilliant producer, she is a bad creative head. You're right about Star Wars feeling corporate right now. The Sequels had no plan, they were led by higher ups who thought the best way to sell this product was constant nostalgia. Whenever there is something good that gets popular the corporate people start taking over and say "the chart says this is the best way to go". Mandalorian Season 1, left alone, it was amazing. It got super popular, so the higher ups got involved and made it so their cash cow Baby Yoda would be back with Mando by the beginning of season 3. Doesn't matter if they're quickly reunited in a spinoff, doesn't matter if people who only watch Mandalorian are confused that they're back together, all that matters is the fan service and selling Baby Yoda toys.
i hate it when people say "theyre just bringing back old stuff to cover up bad storytelling" ahem rogue one had darth vader and moff tarkin and princess leia and in any franchise there will always be old stuff returning sequels are called sequels because they show what theyre following off of and disney have made amazing movies so it's not like they aren't up to the task every show/movie has its flaws star wars just seems to be the victim of scrutiny
I watched TFA for Han. I came back to TLJ to see Luke. Every time they kill off a character, it feels like Cathlene Kenedy is a bully breaking our toys.
Rey's character is boring. Her acting during fights suck. It's like what someone who only watches fights, thinks how they will act when fighting for real; with all the DBZ screaming on top.
Disney star wars is the best when they write new storys that do not follow the jedi-sith conflict. See Andor, the Mandalorian and Rogue One. but when it comes to jedi they just brain dead go: unga bunga need skywalker name and papa Palpi
Andor is boring and doesn’t even feel like Star Wars.
Rogue one sucked and breaks canon and continuity with A New Hope.
The definition of insanity: watching Disney Star Wars expecting quality
andor
@@soondslash 1 half decent show in 7 yrs. What about the other 11?
@@greenmanalishi6963 Mandalorian season 1 and 2, Rogue One.
@@soondslash Dull, plodding, boring, pretentious, yet another trite Rebellion origin story
@@BoroPhil7 Mediocre boring western, too self indulgent on cameos and the tin men cult. An okay war movie people remember only because of the third act.
Keep in mind when you say: Give Dave Filoni or x person all the money/or the keys to SW, you're advocating for them to probably be overworked forever. Because if they had 'creative control' they would be spread so thin across so many projects, the quality wouldn't be there anymore, and you bet KK or any exec would use them as scapegoats and fire them at a whim. They can't fix a systemic issue within Lucasfilm. It's not their job.
These are living human beings not tools we use to get the content we want. They can only do so much at once.
The problem is that Disney doesn't care about Star Wars. They just like the money it brings.
Last Jedi is terrible. Burn all copies and film of that movie.
no
The only way I could see Rey rebuilding the Jedi Order going over okay would be if Luke was there as a force ghost to help her and guide her.
That would be cool to see!
Honestly, I hope Disney make Luke’s order an order that learned from the ways of the old order that was destroyed decades later, rather than an order which followed the corrupt ways of the old order and deserved its destruction...
A man helping a woman in a movie? Are you insane?
@@LeeEverett1 Well THE BATMAN is a thing, so who knows. Maybe tides are changing
Giving Rey the story we all wanted for Luke is bad enough, keeping him around to watch her do it better would be even worse.
Her me out guys and this might turn into an essay can’t lie…
Star Wars with Disney has transformed in its movie making and story telling premise. I think Disney looks at “Star Wars can be anything you want”, and I believe it as “you can be anything you want in Star Wars”. That’s the beauty, you can create and entire new species/planet/culture/tech phenomenon y or want in Star Wars within the universes rules and boundaries.
I believe Disney needs to make new feature films that don’t necessarily focus on the over-arching story. How about a story about a random jedi defector during the high republic era, or take us back to the old republic. Something we’ve never seen before. Ik people might say “well we’ve never seen a jesu rebuild an entire order before”, but is that really what you want to see? Why can’t we have a movie about the sith origins or characters origin/study of a character less known about like grievous or something…
Okay maybe that’s one’s pushing it but I think Star Wars needs to do things we’ve never seen before. Something that gets us excited and they can explore and truly have free reign, because so long as they are building on Lucas creation by making sequels they will always be victims to forced fan pleasing/service
I've agreed with almost everything you've said, minus the part where you said Filoni should take Kennedy's place. That guy has no regard for continuity and constantly tramples over other people's work. He focuses more on the eye-candy moments rather than the storytelling itself, which often involves contradicting events that took place previously, thus damaging the universe due to a lack of coherence. It would be great if we could get someone with a good business sense that also respects the universe and the writers who contribute to it. Sadly, no one at Lucasfilm seems to fit that description.
Great video! I'm honestly just excited for Visons Vol 2 & the James Mangold movie. I also hope with better writers they might make Rey a better character now.
Would have been cool if Rey was the daughter of Obi Wan and Sateen and then she would go on to be come the new Mandalore and weild the darksaber.
That used to be my theory - that Obi Wan and Satine were her unidentified parents. I wish it were so, even now.
It’s a nice idea but given the timeline would be completely impossible given satine was killed before the end of the clone wars
If we are being generous she would have to be 50 by the time TFA happens given the empire ruled for ~20 years and tfa happens 32 years after ROTJ
You realize Rey was born like 30 years after she died right?
The problem with Rey is she's a terrible legacy character. They turn all the OT characters into failures so she can steal their accomplishments- like Palpatine comes back so REY can kill him and get bragging rights to destroy the sith instead of Anakin. Now she's going to restore the jedi instead of Luke. She's like a fanfic character trying to one-up everyone.
Not to mention she's just a rip off of Luke. Desert planet hero- secret offspring of a sith lord... finds a droid in the desert with important rebel info only to be chased off planet by stormtroopers on the falcon... remind you of anyone?
Well done, earned my follow with accurate insight and account of events, many fail to collate into a cogent thought
One of the many themes from the old Star Wars was simply the battle between good vs. evil...That message has changed to...Girl who can learn the Force faster than any other character vs. tyranical/incompetent/Emo men...or rebel forces led by competent, diverse women who battle against bad white men. The hatred towards the male species just reaks in these films...
There is atleast one good thing that came with the sequel trilogy, which is that the prequel films became more popular
"We are getting a Rey solo movie"
"Wait, shes a Solo now? I thought she was a Palpwalker"