Andy Roddick vs Rafael Nadal 2004 US Open R2 Highlights
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0:30 The moment Nadal decided to always return serve from the Grandstand
That was clearly out. Watch it 0.25 speed
It might not have been prime Nadal but he already beat Federer up to this point in Miami. This is just a great Roddick imo.
Nadal had a injury layoff after tht miami win didnt play rg and wim
@@aparajitkr2870 nadal fan = excuse machine
Didnt realize Roddick hit a 152 mph in this match! Thats pretty close to the record
he used to hold the record back in the day
this still is the US Open record
Sam Groth's record is bogus anyway
@@jacktaylor9290 Came here to say this.
Ben Shelton has beat that, hasn't he?
This was clearly before they dismantled the power game by slowing down playing conditions. And, while I don't necessarily love seeing the serve be too dominant a shot, it IS nice to see players get rewarded for hitting aggressively. Forgot how good Roddick's forehand was.
The power game is still rewarded in slow conditions, just in a different way. You have to have power off the ground like Nadal, Thiem, or Del Potro. If a court is very slow, you favor the guy who can hit through it against the guy who can’t generate much offense. But yes, defense is much more important nowadays too
@@SJ-di5zu DelPo is the only guy of those three that hits with power. The other two only hit hard when they have time because the slow, high bounce gives them the ability to play ten feet behind the baseline and hit 5000 rpms - basically as much topspin as physics will allow.
No, this was when Nadal had no serve or forehand to speak of, post 2008 Nadal would still dismantle this Roddick in 3 sets
@@HIMYMTR Nadal lost to Roddick in 2008 and 2010.
@@hernanbusso1609 Yeah, even when Roddick was past it he still beat Nadal on hardcourt in two of Nadal's best seasons.
love the court level views
Now these are the penetrating forehands that Roddick really needed. Yes, he wouldve lost a few more matches with unforced errors, but he wouldve also given himself better chances of winning more big matches.
Great analysis and l have spoken many times about how whoever came in after Brad Gilbert switched Roddick to the stupid ineffective windshield wiper forehand where a player cuts the motion short and just brushes across the chest. Roddick ought to sue that person for damages. He should have had 3 to 5 majors easily with the game he presented in 2003/2004.
I don't care who was in his era it doesn't matter. If he could have stuck to his original forehand throughout his career there would have been days where whoever he's playing would have been helpless. Roddick's first serve followed up by that forehand for 2 or 3 years was the most brutal combination tennis has ever seen.
I think against Roddick's main rival the the time, Federer, the flatter shot was exactly what Federer loved. It was heavier topspin that Federer didn't like.
@@th8257 Roddick had only 2 wins over Federer. In those wins he was overpowering. Once he switched his forehand he was going to be able to keep things respectable because of his serve but he had no chance of beating Federer.
You're right about what Federer likes but what Roddick was doing at the beginning of his career was so devastating on certain days it wouldn't have mattered. Another thing Roddick's athleticism is underrated don't you think? He wasn't as nimble as the big 3 but he had more than enough to back up his serve and early forehand.
@@gregoryphillips3969 Dean Goldfine and then Jimmy Connors. The change in his forehand wasn't overnight, and nobody has ever said it was definitely one of these guys who instigated it. But my money is on Goldfine. Connors himself hit a flat, aggressive forehand, so I have a hard time imagining he would suggest going to a pure percentage rally ball.
@@grimson Great feedback l agree. No way that Connors would get in the way of the blunt force trauma that Roddick could inflict on people.
Again, it's really too bad that Roddick allowed whoever it was to significantly change a game that won him a major. I know that Nadal was just coming up but l remember a match between Nadal and Roddick at the US Open. Nadal had absolutely no chance 0. Early Roddick was a wrecking machine.
Roddick was monster of a player till 23 and then huge drop in performance with exception of short periods.
Totally agree. By 2006 his performance dropped drastically.
@@rsundar1973 Nah he just had to deal with Federer and Nadal lol
@@PocketsandsBreifcase If you can't see the difference in the shot power, I don't know what to say to you.
@@ZPSBestProfileName He still was going deep in tournaments, but yes his game wasn't multi-faceted enough
like so many others. it happens too much in tennis@@rsundar1973
Impressive power from Roddick
When Andy knows he's got the shot and pulls the trigger, that forehand is massive.
In his early twenties he was at his best. Tgeb had drop on performance.
It's because Nadals top spin feeds perfectly into his strike zone on that surface
Roddick is the kind of guy to try to force a charger into a port even if it doesn’t fit
Yeah... That's right... Copy that... Perfectly said...
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Back when Rafa stood a foot behind the baseline to return a 1st serve ha!
This is probably why Nadal receives serves 100 feet behind the baseline.
ptsd from this match lol
Andy Roddick on a fast court is quite scary.
How often did you ever see Rafa get handcuffed by a serve like this one at 0:30? Oh wait, never mind. What happens at 6:54 is even worse.
@HearthSide false. the record is 158, i believe either by isner or sam querry. roddick did hold the record for awhile at 155.
@@oldfrend false the record is aussie sam growth 157miles
Isnt it Karlovic? Anyway Roddick is the only one of this big servers that inst like 7ft tall and actually has a game to back it up his serve.
He retired very soon, very sad, I loved watching his fast and hard game, he was never boring like many tennis players today who are ball passers
he retired 7 years later
@@nedeljkorakicevic2616 quite fast compared to hewitt and other players
For those who didn't grow up to watching young early 2000s andy roddick. They couldn't imagine him beating nadal like this. This is the andy roddick that ill forever miss. Eventho it was shortlived thanks to federer. The 2003-2004 Andy roddick Who completely destroyed every single player on tour except federer. After finally beating federer in 2003 and going on to win the us open by beating the man who beat Federer in semi-final then beating the guy who took out aggasi in final. Ppl thought he was gonna dominate the sport. Instead he came up short from 2004-2006 mostly because of federer. And by 2007-2008 nadal and Novak surpassed him after he suffered from injuries 😢
Nadal was 18 years old...
Roddick 2003-2007: Attacking
08-10 Defensive attack
11-13 Defensive
Andy retired in 2012.
Nadal was still working on his game. He was not the Nadal of 2006, just two years later.
Nadal was arguably better in 2005 except grasscourt
It's a coooolllll match tho.... Without any loss..... Great show from both talented players..... Simply superb.... Great one.... TQ...
Jesus, look at roddick like two years later his power is like half this
Ain't that right? After he changed coach, he was taught to play "safe" and stop hitting powerful flat strokes. He managed to consistently stay in top 10 but he can no longer win anything. Turns out, to be a top player you need to have weapons. Sacrificing his weapon for consistency is the worst mistake of his tennis career. If not for his serve, he is just another Davydenko.
@@skychaos87yep sounds about right
So incredible!!
Wow, Roddick forehands are thunderous.
Those are massive boxing punches from Roddick serves and a Bagel too! I wish Roddick worked even harder to improve his overall game beyond those lightening serves and massive forehands. Nadal improved so much even with his weak serve.
Hope someone uploads high quality video version to cherish Roddick.
Roddick did work to improve his whole game. Did you watch him at all after 2004?
It’s 2004 there is no high quality version
Nadal's forehand improves so much so much after this
and Roddick's does the opposite
When Roddick was a Gram Slam winner and Nadal wasn’t 😜
I noticed Nadal was already tapping his knees 🙊
The handshake at the end of the match indicates that there no love lost here. This was before Rafael Nadal came into his own and began his dominance and longevity in the sport.
And also was a period when roddick was great. A very shirt one. He wpuld be nightmare to anyone if he kept and improved on that level.
Well that's because Nadal is the fakest person on tour.
Nadal lost to roddick in roddicks end as well. Nadal straight hated. Roddick couldve been an all time great if surrounded by the right people.!he lost his game when he changed his forehand
@@thrashingjustin as far as I recall, when he burst on the scene he was known for having a huge serve and a fearsome forehand. Within a few years he was known for having a big serve, no backhand and an inability to beat Federer for toffees. How come he changed his forehand? Injury?
@@stefan33uk the game changed to more top spin and precision is my guess. But who knows? It couldve been his shoulder too. His shoulder was always a problem. I wouldnt doubt it. Roddick was a force. He shouldve never parted ways with gilbert.
I would have loved to be a fan in the stadium on this day. My two favorite players. Andy dominating with that assaulting serve. Man.
152 mph serve...
Roddick's forehand used to be so powerful, I wonder why he changed his forehand after 2005...
His coaches wanted him to be more control/net player
@@Colt558 Stupid coaches
Eh no, Roddick changed his forehand circa 2005 because he wanted more consistency with his game. It wasn't until 2006 when he was starting to be coached by Jimbo and then Stefanki later on which brought on the net play. People like to wonder how things would have changed if Roddick kept his explosive forehand, but he never lost it, he just became a more patient and better all around player who didn't have to rip every forehand. 2nd week of French Open, 5th set of Wimbledon final, Indian Wells/Miami back to back finals all within best 52 week stretch of his career.
God with a serve like that- lots of free points- why not destroy it on the forehand side?
@Tone Junior it isn't one or the other, he still had a huge forehand. Look at some of his best matches after 2005 right here on youtube..the 06 Cinci match against Murray, 06 USO run, 06 Masters match against Federer, 07 Kooyong against Federer, 08 Dubai run, 08 Miami against Federer, 09 Wimbledon run, 2010 Indian Wells/Miami, etc.. to me the problem was that when Andy started his professional career, the tour played quite a bit quicker but by the time Roger was dominant, carpet died, grass slowed down, quick surfaces were dead + most of tour started shifting towards grinders and defensive baseliners. Roddick was the only player from his generation of players, besides Federer of course, to maintain a top 10 ranking for many years so I think he managed his career very well.
Pure class and brute force from rodick .
Fantastic
Roddick was defending champion beating up on this clay specialist teen & Gaudio was reigning Roland garros champ. How the times changed soon after xD
Shame that Roddick on his prime got to face prime Federer.... Roddick would have at least 5-10 Grand Slams and be one of the best in History.
What about djoko Nadal and Federer they still won double digit grand slams
Problem is Roddick got a lot of injuries so he could not build to much momentum, and yeah unlucky about Fed, nice career still.
The thing is, prime Roddick didnt facw much of Prime Federer. Becauese prime Riddick was 2 years or so. Hw had big drop after early twenties. With few wxcwptions, some short periods.
@@pallavchoudhary8636 djoko and Nadal didnt face much of Prime Federer, and clay us not prime Federer. Federer was early bloomer. Of course was nit like Roddick whi was great till early twenties ans had big drop.
@@innosanto Federer was anything but early bloomer
This was times, when Rafa was a child with a weak serve and not much Power in his forehand. A few years later he played Roddick on the wall with 6:1, 6:2.
Impressive game by Andy.👏👏👏
Roddick was swagging tf out in that first set. With all the sass!
152 MPH, that's just crazy. Did Sampras or Federer ever serve something this fast?
00:30 man! That serve by andy was bullet like!
Roddick had a hell of a serve, but I have a feeling the speed guns also went through some kind of calibration somewhere around this time. That 152 mph serve at 0:30 doesn't look much faster than a serve he hit against Sampras at the 2002 US Open that was clocked in at 138 mph.
Could have also been the slowing by balls or court. I'm not sure the location they measure the ball speed at, but it certainly slows down significantly as it travels through the air and with a change after the bounce as well
Man! This serve is bullet like!
I think so too. The guns in the early 2000s and 90s were definitely less accurate. Unless you really believe that Serena Williams hits harder than Ivanisevic or Sampras lol. I think 2003-2004 onward they changed the tech.
@@youhavetogoback8449then you have to ask what are the guns actually measuring? The ball does not go at a constant speed. It is fastest right after coming off the strings. After that it slows down due to air friction. Further slows down after it bounces off the surface. So the ball is actually traveling at many different speeds all decreases until it gets to the returner.
Here you see the evolution of nadal till today! 2020 !
I'm gonna tell my kids this was roddick beating prime Rafa
Why?
Duh....ok moron.
Not even close to his prime.
@@abelgallardo4068 Its a joke you idiot
@@JK-fw3tb who asked you? Your parents are brothers?
OMG! This court played sooo fast 🙄
Rafa looked so cute here
I've never seen Roddick hit his forehand so aggressively as in this match. Wonder why he never continued with this attacking game?!
Me too
Bc it’s almost unrealistic and you create a larger margin to create unforced errors.
His coach after his us open win messed with his forehand and Roddick started hitting with more spin. If he continued with this forehand 2009 would have been different.
Watch Federer Roddick in Montreal 2003 or Toronto 2004 finals
Because Nadal was terrible in this match, and otherwise on HC. It's easy to attack if the ball you get falls nice in the middle, 2-3 meters inside the baseline
That was brutal
Brutal.
anybody know why rafa's racket is making that jingling sound on every hit? i know they used to make a racket that had little balls inside the frame that moved backwards and forwards to increase head momentum and power.
When roddick was cocky before being humbled by Federer and becoming self depricating!
Well he already was on a losing streak to Federer at this point, but I don't think he had lost his swag yet. I think it was as much firing Gilbert and going to a fine coach but one who didn't suit his style and was a big fit for him- Goldfine. Which of course was initiated by the losses to Federer, but it ended up backfiring.
It wasn't just changing coaches, it was his arrogant behaviour with umpires and linesman during matches. His form from 2006-2008 was pretty subpar compared to his confident and powerful 2002-early 2005 form.
And then nadal humbled federer and then Djokovic humbled both.
@@Onmysheet Roddick has expressed regret for his behavior when he was younger. His sarcasm towards the officials when he was losing his cool was very memorable.
Nadal returned the favor in 2011 USO straight set win
I know he wasn't as good a player but I loved tiny kiddie Nadal.
The 'weak' era that Djokovic fans like to talk about 😅
When Roddick could beat Nadal.
Hewitt and Roddick were not a weak era, they were strong players and could beat some of the current gen players today like Zverev, Sinner, Ruud, Ruun etc.
Medvedev and Alcaraz are different beast though.
Alcaraz would embarrass Mr no backhand roddick
That court speed ! Times have changed for the slower
Thank god. A serve bot like roddick managed to actualyl be world nr2 lol
@@aleksamilosevic8792 I don't think you understand what a servebot is.
@@gabrielvergarasanmartin5233 He was a serve bot after 2004/05 since his BH was poor and FH was loopy. He had only his serve and was top 5 non the less
@@aleksamilosevic8792Moron.
Roddick was sick back then
Sampras versus Nadal would be a win for Sampras in his prime on hard court and grass
Great performance from Roddick here. Nadal got his revenge on Roddick at the 2011 us open. Roddick faced a prime Nadal.
Roddick was 22 y.o here though
Roddick on that period was a beast. Young Nadal always a fighter even on difficult conditions. Love old fast courts though!! US open should still be played on this court, modern hard courts are too slow
Modern? When do you think this match was played ?
@@JK-vc7ie This match is almost 20 years old. In addition, US open resurfaced the court from 2005 onwards
@@pausegarra5138 Nadal is still playing. They are playing in the modern style with modern racquets and modern strings. The only difference is a faster surface on that court. That has nothing to do with modern. They could change the court surface back tomorrow.
What an epic match !!! I think that year Roddick later went on to lose to Swede Joachim Johansson in the QFinals . Ironically Nadal almost got hammered in the match but he actually went on to become the much better player . An absolute great , with 13 RG titles and 20 Grand Slams overall. That year as well Federer was at his peak , he went on to lift the US Open title . Djokovic was nowhere but now they're all tied on 20 Grand Slams .
Unfortunately for him , Roddick only won one .
24, 22, 20 now.
Thats a match Andy never should have lost. Came back from 2 sets lo love to serve for the match in the 5th. He even could have challenged Federer for the title. He was playing brutal.
Who would have known that the loser was going to win 22 GS, and the winner only one … With the arrival of Federer, Andy almost dissapeared
Andy Roddick (A Grand Slam winner) playing a relatively unknown Player (0 Grand Slams) at that time :). Who would have thought ?
I love watching Roddick crushing forehands like that!
He was great. Could serve consistently fast, not like Ben Shelton who can occasionally. Federer was tested to have the fastest reflexes of any player which is why he could handle his serve. Too bad for Andy-any other era and he would have won at least a few more slams.
Just imagine this is right when federer was hitting his prime and 2005 was Federers invincible year.
The handshake 😅
I love how the commentator predicted at the end stating "Nadal would do better at other court" and after few months the 18 year old teenager defeated Roddick at the Davis Cup.
Roddick: Serve beast
Nadal: Forehand beast
Compare this match of 2004 with the one in 2011. How do you explain the different outcome? Immense progress on Nadal's side and stagnation or loss of power on Roddick's side. Who in 2004 would have thought that Roddick's onöy major title would be the one of the previous year and that he wouldn't win a single Wimbledon title despite his superb serve and great overall game. And would even think that Nadal would win 21 majors, and two Wimbledon titles as a so-called "clash court pusher" .
I wonder how a match of Sampras vs Nadal would be.
Now 22 grandslams
It's Roddick's forehand and ability to hang in rallies that broke down for him. Too bad.
whats stiffler doing on the court?
Rafa certainly handles Roddick in kind 7 years later at the US open. It was more one sided than this match...
Nadal was then on his prime and roddick washed up
Surprised Nadal wasn’t seeded by this point. Would have thought he picked up enough points in the clay season at least. By 2005, it seems he learnt to better adapt his game to hard courts. Nadal won their next meeting a few months later at Davis Cup final 2004 on clay in Seville, but they didn’t meet again until 2007!
@@Funeral_Tango oh that makes sense. Unusual for an ankle injury to last so long - must have been a bad one!
0:40 she says "152 mph but I'd like to see Hawkeye I thought that was out" Are you KIDDING to suggest that you saw a 152 mph serve close enough for hawkeye from the announcers booth?
yeah she wasn't very knowledgeable about tennis. also doesn't understand why rafa fell down so much; had nothing to do with footing and everything to do with not getting blasted by 150mph in the face.
@4:55
Roddick nearly decapitated a baby Nadal in here. We were close to never have seen a clay GOAT.
after this match, he change the return position when he fight against big server
Peak tennis from Roddick. Every shot he owned at one time. Stuck to mostly topspin after to remain top 10. Otherwise win and lose by the sword
04:52 How to make the public forget your fall?
All of the surfaces have been slowed considerably in the past two decades. AO is slow, obviously RG is, but Wimbledon is slower, as well as USO. Wimbledon needs to bring back the faster (like Halle), also speed up USO. While the slower surface make for more rallies, they also add massive wear and tear to players career. Keep AO and RG, but speed up Wimbledon and USO to give players less stress as they head into the back half of the season.
USO was already sped up in 2019 and 2020
@@aleksamilosevic8792 Still nowhere the level of where it used to be. Part of the problem is the courts were pressured to slow down a lot due to the technology becoming too powerful and people wanted longer points.
Interesting how Rafa doesn't seem to grunt is loud here as later in his career
Still waiting for french open federer and nadals old matches highlights
When the court was still playing fast and favouring big serves and forehands, aggressive shotmaking is not so easy to defend on fast courts
Lol..Roddick literally was assaulting Nadal with a tennis ball...just awesome serve...
When they shook hands Rafa told him "I'm gonna win 21 more slams than you!" It sounded crazy when he said it, but...here we are.
Fastest handshake i think I seen in Tennis thus far dang
today is the 35th birthday of Rafael Nadal,happy happy birthday man!
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Roddicks serve and forehand back then were insane. Nadal's forehand wasn't nearly as good as today.
folks who keep calling this the "weak era" don't realize how good Roddick was
I can only imagine what more Nadal would have done with a better serve.
So now we know why Nadal returns serve from the stand 🤷🏼♂️
Could never figure out why Roddick did not win more majors, and I never seen any other Tennis players sweat more on court than Andy.
ugh, what's the score? :-)
Not sure what happened here. In a way I would have expected Nadal to do a bit better here considering his hard court performance in 2005. He was still fairly green I guess and Roddick was the defending champion.
Roddick was never the same after he fired Brad Gilbert as coach
Now Rafa has played professional tennis more than half of his life... :O
Qué mal perder siempre el español al dar ka mano en la red.
🥊🎾🇺🇲 #andyroddick
from 2022，Rafael has just won 21 slams, guess this was the last game he was beat so ugly.
Back when the US open courts were actually quick.
back then nadal was kid
To think there was a short period, about 20 months, when Roddick had more Slam titles than Nadal
Roddick just putting Nadal away. Surreal by today's' standard
Ouch...no love lost there
You can really see what an inherent bad matchup Rafa is for Federer. Earlier this year, Rafa straight-setted Federer on hard courts, yet proceeded to get dominated by Roddick, who Federer had dominated all year. As bad as Roddick's two-handed backhand is, if Federer had Roddick's two-hander, he would probably have beaten Rafa easily.
Don't let this match fool you. Very early in nadals career. Later on Nadal was beating roddick on all surfaces. Watch us open 2011 Nadal Vs roddick. Nadal owned him. Nadal has become very good on hard court.
Good observation.
Ben Crowe That’s not the point. No one is saying that Roddick is an overall better player than Rafa. Just the point that a young Rafa who wasn’t very good yet was giving Federer all kinds of fits. But that young Rafa didn’t bother Roderick at all.
@@metblvette What you forget is Rafa's injury that year. He lost all the clay court season plus Wimbledon. He was not in the same form as when he beat Roger and on the other hand you can't expect a 17-18 years old kid to be consistent all year long. As Ben Crowe said, don't let this match fool you, a couple of months later he beat him in the Davis Cup final
@@metblvette Rafa defeated Andy that same year 2004 on Davis Cup play.... but i think it was on Clay though
Yes they slowed all courts down to make sure a big server and a good volleyer couldn’t win now we have slow courts fitter players and long boring base line matches to watch