Why is it when Lamar Jackson is having a success and proving haters like Acho wrong all the sudden the topic is “Super Bowl or Bust” but he never questioned the players he been putting over Lamar like Joe Borrow, Josh Allen, Justin Hebert even Tua? 🤔 Goofball
Well Lamar has only one playoff name to his name where Allen and Burrow both have 4 or 5 I think. Allen has also been better than Lamar every year since 2020. Lamar is great but his lack of showing up in the playoffs definitely hurts him. Should be over Herbert and Tua though. I disagree with the Super Bowl or Bust though. Ravens have had a great year and Lamar has been good and defense is S tier. Lamar shouldn't sit though this week. Last time he did that it didn't go so well for them in the playoffs.
Have you seen Lamar playoff record? He has not played good in the playoffs Allen been to AFCCG Burrow been to a SB Outside if the regular season what has Lamar done?
@@larry2281Umm was the question playoff win or bust or superbowl or bust? You can win all them playoff games but if you don’t win the superbowl it doesn’t matter. And allen only had 2 better seasons than Lamar cuz Lamar was hurt but Ofcourse we penalize lamar for getting hurt but borrow gets a pass. When Lamar is healthy he proving he can take his team to the playoffs with less weapon while allen might not even make it.
Dear Lamar, Don't listen to these people. I am so proud of you and how you have overcome racism and a plethora of hateful rhetoric. You are great and your mother did an excellent job raising you.
Lamar already has the knowledge of the lesson you teaching Lamar is gonna be a Superbowl champion at some point in his career ppl like to 22:09 forget Payton wasn't good on first few playoff appearances either and is still considered top 2 or 3 all time
@@evileyevalausPeyton choked coming back and and not only losing the heisman trophy he lost a bowl game. Choked against Brady, choked against Brees, choked against the ravens, choked against Seahawks. 2-4. That’s y’all measuring stick.
Did they say anything about him being a bad person or are they just talking about the Super Bowl? You are crazy if you don’t think the Ravens should be expected to make the Super Bowl with all these other AFC teams having down years including Mahomes and the Chiefs.
The Ravens are without their best lineman, their best pass catcher, their best running back, and their speedy back. The fact that ppl are trying this “Super Bowl or bust” narrative is crazy.
It’s Super Bowl or bust because the chiefs are a mess…all other teams in the afc are missing their starting QB aside from a few. If the ravens don’t represent the afc in the Super Bowl this year it’s an absolute failure.
people keep forgetting ravens'/lamar's playoff record. With the situation of the AFC contenders this year, Ravens need to win now. Because if the Chiefs are fixed I'll take them every year.
Every year is our best chance unless lamar is injured The guy with bust comment didnt see the miami game it seems The argument that others are hurt are not playing well doenst seems logical because 49ers were best till we met so were dolphin and tua
And I would say that’s just him being a good host but we see he is a huge fan of cowboys, browns, 49ers and he never pushes these negative scenarios on these teams. Smh. They can play less than ravens and he hypes them up. Look how he talks Baker compared to Lamar and one is clearly better than the other smh.
Every year they get hit with injuries! They have the worst luck. To think they’re looking this dominant without their #1&2 RB and arguably their best pass catcher in Andrews and I believe a player or 2 in the secondary
They trying to set up the narrative so they can move the goal posts if he wins the Super Bowl. Next year they’LL say everyone was hurt or not in the playoffs. I love it
Playoff Records: Josh Allen 4-4 Justin Herbert 0-1 Deshaun Watson 1-2 Lamar Jackson 1-3 The fact that Acho tried to act like Lamar is dodging smoke from THESE guys is BEYOND me! 😂
I seen the hate in his eye. Justin Herbert should playing better to be in the playoffs. Even if Aaron Rodgers is healthy, they still got cooked. Joe Burrow got cooked twice by Lamar Jackson, this season.
Cause he phoney...his argument is the amalgamation of hours upon hours of try'na figure out how to NOT eat crow wit all the "bull-mess" he been spewin about Lamar after such a dominant victory over a very good team...none of this will be easy for the Ravens or Lamar, no matter wht he says and how he tries to frame it...
I kno its tech 1-3 but I feel like it's really 1-2. He got a concussion in the 1st quarter of one of those games and never returned but since he started, gets the L
They wasn't saying that when lamar got hurt the past 2 seasons. They always try to find a way to discredit lamar. If he loses, he's a choke artist, if he wins, its only because his path was easy 😂😂😂🤦🏿
This is why we say Lamar won't be respected unless he wins two championships. The ravens success is not due to other teams injuries. We are beating the highest level teams at their peak. But we must discredit Lamar at every chance apparently.
Foh the ravens had 80 percent of the team injured the past 2 years and the bengals beat the ravens last year because Lamar was out and so was a bunch of our starters
Every year is Super Bowl or Bust for Lamar cause people only judge him by the handful of playoff games he's been in. They condense his entire career into 4 games. Frankly it's insulting but haters got to talk about something.
@@Dell_214 Even Dak has more than 1 playoff win and has played well in some of the playoff games and still gets more hate than Lamar. Imagine if Dak had Harbough and the Ravens his whole career instead of Garrett and the Cowboys.
Well lets see. His first playoff start against Chargers he was horrid. His second against Titants he was mediocre. His 3rd which was a win against titans he was ever so slightly better than mediocre. Let's say he was just okay. His fourth one he was again, horrid. Burrows first playoff game he was excellent. This is with a top 4 worst oline in that year, 2021. Burrows second playoff game was against Titans and he played good. Again, 4th worst oline and titans had a top ten defense that year. His 3rd playoff game was against chiefs at kansas city. Burrow was good again This time against a top 5 offense and team in the chiefs. Then 4th one against rams who were the best team that year with a #1 defense and #1 pass rush, and Burrow played just okay. Mind you, still remember he was playing behind one of the worst olines in the NFL. Lamar has never had such a horrid line to work with and hes had two top5 olines or 3 top ten olines since his first playoff year in 2020.
No, it’s Super Bowl or bust because you Lamar fans call him “elite” which is the top tier of QB’s in the NFL AND Lamar and the ravens have the most dominant defense in the NFL, Lamar also has OBJ3,the electrifying rookie X-ray flowers and the 1st round phenom in rashad Bateman with the 2nd best O-line in the NFL, that is why it’s Super Bowl or bust!!!
Man they’re really comparing Lamar at 21/22 mvp to 26/27 mvp…this man has worked on his craft and has matured. He already knows and thinks about 2019 that’s why he’s so focused because of people like Acho fueling him to succeed. The whole team knows.
Funny we gone use the failure of Borrow, Josh Allen and Hebert not making the playoffs to discredit Lamar if he doesn’t but never talk about how borrow isn’t playing cuz he is injured yet we never call him “Injury prone” like we do Lamar. Allen could be eliminated next week yet we never talk about that as a bust. I don’t even want to bring up Hebert like Shady said, he never earned anything to be compared to Lamar but yet he is put ahead of Lamar. 2x MVP while y’all fav QB don’t even have 1
gotta defend herbert here, they're using him rightnow to diminish lamar, but last season they called him social mediq QB all year and put tua above him. herbert gets no praise for what he does (carries the chargers to every skin of their teeth win they have the last 4 years) without him, they're totally garbage.
@@cagedcombat6696 Herbert is trash man, wasted talent, has all the talent in the world but doesnt have it above the shoulders, he doesnt have a winning mentality, ive never see herbert trying to get his guys fired up, like i see burrow, allen, mahomes doing all the time. Herbert just aint got that winners mentality. Imagine if Josh Allen, Mahomes "this year", Lamar, came into the league with weapons like Keenan allen, Mike WIlliams, Austin Eckler, and still after 4 seasons have a losing record, yet we still talk about herbert like hes accomplished anything but massive let down and dissapointment
The path is never easy. He makes it look easy. We love Lamar. And Lamar Jackson does not play against quarterbacks, he plays against defenses. Stop diluting what he is doing. Haters.
1-3 doesn't look 'easy'. And that's with Lamar being great. That's the point Acho is making. Even if you are a great talent, Super Bowl appearances and wins aren't easy to come by. You need a lot of things to go your way. He's just pointing out that this would be the year he has the best chance based on everything around the league. The fact that you think having this conversation is them being haters is wild.
If ANYONE has a bright future in this league, it's going to be the youngest two-time MVP of all time, the youngest Heisman winner of all time, Lamar Jackson. Ridiculous notion.
@@death1168 I think if he doesnt win now it's the biggest missed opportunity but if he plays to his standard in every game you can't be mad at ta loss. I also think the circumstances are different bc the league is extremely QB-driven now and they're mostly in the AFC.
He's the youngest two-time MVP because a lot of his ability is his athleticism. You think he will be playing this great in his thirties? That's why he needs to win now. If you think he will have as much success once he loses a step or any of his elusiveness, you are setting yourself up.
Ravens are the new dynasty in the making, not only will they win it all this year they've already set themselves up for future success. Ravens basically got two first round picks when they drafted Zay and the 311 pound beast at lineman Andrew Vorhees who tore his ACL right before the combine. If you think Lamar got all day in the pocket now wait till next year as Zay transforms to year two and ravens continue to feel in weaknesses during the off season
There's no guarantee he will be an elite lineman..and he's already having to overcome a serious injury..but if he can live up, Ravens are going to steamroll.
Next year Ravens will lose Madubuike, Queen, Clowney, Van Noy, multiple CBs, Geno stone, OBJ, Dobbins, Gus Bus, & I think even Kevin Zeitler. With little to NO MONEY to replace any of them. I’ve been saying it since 2019, the SB window ends after 2023. It sucks that due to injuries they really only had 1-2 fair shots at it, but this is it, unless they can pull off back to back 10/10 extraordinary draft classes.
Joe Flacco a different quarterback in January. Baltimore got their 2nd superbowl because of Flacco Torey Smith Anquon Bowldin && company. Ray Lewis & Ed Reed were at the end of the careers
Hahahahahahhahahaaha. Browns are a joke. You obviously haven't watched their games. There are only 3 teams that MIGHT give the Ravens problems, in this order: Bills, Chiefs, Steelers. Flacco gives up picks like Halloween candy. He will not survive the Ravens blitz. Browns have the most turnovers in the league. If the Ravens can shut down Tua they can shut down Flacco. Browns defensive front 4 is wet toilet paper. They give up tons of TDs. They got one receiver (Cooper) and one TE (Njoku) and both can be taken out the game. The only thing Browns got is an elite secondary but they ain't got enough horses to cover all the Ravens receivers and finally NOBODY can stop Lamar. Browns have defied the odds and won all kinds of games they shouldn't have. They have had a remarkable and entertaining season. But the dream stops if they can make it to Baltimore.
It’s not a bust season because there’s a lot of people out there that didn’t think that the Ravens would be this good this year with a new offensive coordinator and new weapons on the roster.
I think anything short if the AFC Title game, and a good performance, is a bust. Lamar needs to show up in the playoffs, period. Only then can he erase the doubters. To be fair, he is not the only one I put that on. I feel the same about Allen and Dak.
Here we go again the new goal post...if Lamar win the SB they'll say "well everybody was injured he have to do it when everybody healthy" I swear Lamar can't win with them 😅
@jmoney6043 it's disgusting what they are implying lol Lamar goes to postseason every year. He's 27. How is this is just? It's a busy for every team in the playoffs if that's the case? It's one football game. Anything can happen. There has been injuries EVERY postseason. To set up the "well injuries & blah blah " excuse is CRAZY lol it happens every year. Why do it with Lamar? I just pray he wins. Cause it's nothing you pure in your heart haters can say. He's gonna dig walk the AFC & whoever comes out the NFC better be ready. Lamar don't lose to them 🥱🤷🏾♂️
I really do hate to agree with Acho but it kinda ain’t getting any easier.. Team rolling at the right time.. Get 2 weeks to get healthy.. Andrews coming back, Likely turned into a star so now you got 2 good tight ends, receivers got their groove.. and most importantly.. other teams in the AFC don’t look too hot.. it’s gotta be this year.
This is the second time Lamar has gotten the #1 seed . The difference this time is he is primed and so is the team ! They will be the team in everyone’s way moving forward …… as a matter of fact they have been whenever Lamar is healthy! We sitting here acting like the bills are injured, the dolphins, the chiefs ( and don’t give me the chiefs sad song Lamar has been dealing with what patty is for his entire career ) and the browns actually look better with Flacco regardless of his age . Lamar is the guy to go through for the next 7 years cut it out .
That's all anyone is saying. If not now, then when? Doesn't mean we don't think Lamar isn't great and people aren't haters for having this conversation. It's just really hard in the NFL to make super bowls, let alone win them. Mahomes and Brady are extreme outliers. You can't rely on any QB to make multiple super bowls outside of those two.
Yea I agree. But it was 2 narratives Acho was spewing and I don’t agree with both. Yes this is an easier year than normal to make a nice SB run. But would u call it a “bust” if they lose in championship round in a close game? Will he never have another chance? Now is the perfect time like Acho said but instead of just saying that and making that point he’s adding on “Bust” which imo is a negative stereotype. He could imply the same thing about 49ers but didn’t cuz that’s his team.
Lamar beat all of them this season before they got hurt excluding the ones who weren’t on our schedule. Granted we want a Super Bowl every year but if we don’t do it , it’s no credit taken. But I believe this is the year 😈😈😈
I agree with Acho, this is the year to win the Super Bowl with Jackson at quarterback because if they do, more Super Bowls appearances and more Super Bowls championships to cone on a regular basis the same as the Mahomes led Kansas City Chiefs and if they fail to get to the Super Bowl this season having home field advantage throughout the playoffs in the AFC, it's down hill going to become tougher for Jackson going back to the Super Bowl and winning rings on a regular basis...not because of Jackson but more about the players/teammates he will have going forward. Honestly and unfortunately, the season ending injury to starting tight end Mark Andrews (rehab and recover fully), Jackson's primary passing target has opened up the entire passing game strategy for the Ravens offense that keeps derenders really nervous. This is the year, the right Ravens team for Jackson and his motivation to get the job done.
Lamar ain't dodging NO SMOKE! These other teams have to worry about HIM! These are the same "analyst" that were saying the Baker Mayfield, Josh Rosen, and Sam Darnold would be better QBs than Lamar! What are y'all watching?!?!
As a Niner fan. Ravens are balling hard. Only Ravens can stop Ravens. The Lamar Ravens as of recently have yet to prove a deep playoff run...i think thats where the doubt is concerned...to me they have the best chance to win it all....My niners will be there but they will be tough to beat
The Lamar Jackson discourse is rigged. It’s “Super Bowl or bust” so if he loses they’ll slander him. If he wins they’ll discredit him. “He had an easy path”
Here's the thing... they're saying it's the Ravens easiest chance to win a SB. However, if they win the SB then they'll use the excuse that they had an easy path and hold it against them. It's a lose lose. The Ravens got nothing to lose at this point. Just go do it.
I predicted a Cowboys-Ravens SB when Action Jackson got paid. The Ravens are my youngest sons favorite team. I'm a Cowboys fan. So once that fiasco was put to rest I told my son. It's gonna be the Ravens vs The Boys in the SUPERBOWL. 😂
It went from being San Francisco to now being Superbowl or bust for a team they were not giving any respect to especially Ocho, he was out here talking about The Bills being the best team in the AFC just two weeks ago, dude is a joke 🤣🤣
Agree with acho, BUT the way Lamar is killing the competition right now, I think even if the entire AFC was healthy, Lamar makes it out the AFC to the Super Bowl. A 49er fan take.
Setting up the narrative already… “Lamar didn’t play nobody” “Everybody was hurt when he won” the hate continues and the goal posts keep moving for Lamar. It’s criminal
I mean. You can counter that with "what a surprise Lamar won the AFC north when Burrow got hurt." They're both going to be going at it for years and hopefully both stay healthy for those matchups.
Lamar is 4-1 against Burrow and led the AFC North both 21/22 before getting injured. Joe Burrow was healthy both of those seasons. This season it wasn't even close...😂😂😂. You guys sound like 🤡s
I knew this was coming, yes Lamar and the ravens are winning some games . BUT when others QB, s go to the playoffs . Now you have to ask only about him . Like, yall want the ravens to fail . Yall, sorry, man .How does he know we gonna get Mark Andrew's back . Lamar got man haters like a group of messy women AUCHO
I hate when they say it wont be any easier than this year. Already creating a narrative if we win it all. It's any given sunday. Not Ravens fault certain favorites have underperformed or riddled with injury. Nobody cared when it was us. They've been handling business..know it comes with the territory of people waiting for the Ravens to fail but this team has a different vibe. As long as we dont get in our own way we are SB bound 😈
Even if Ravens make it to the Superbowl, Lamar will still have to face a good team to win... he deserves the credit for this Ravens offense but lets stop pretending it's their offense thats carrying that team. Its their elite defense thats steamrolling.
Foolish how the most battle-tested team (KC) in the league is being overlooked. They have an elite defense, a good runner, and they have Reid and Mahomes. They absolutely can make a run.
So the growth of young players isn’t a thing 🤔and here I thought people got more familiar over year with experience is that actually not a thing in life…..
It’s not all on Lamar The ravens team let him down a coaching even when he put up 500 yds on his own against the titans. Y’all just b hating an not looking n to the details
I think Joy forgot the question, cause I have no idea what she’s trying to defend. Obviously anyone can win another Super Bowl but it’s obviously superbowl or bust for the ravens this year. Most of the afc isn’t playing good and the ravens are healthy. There’s no better year for them, than this year.
This year is a Super Bowl or bust for both the ravens and niners. My niners been knocking on the door and this year the nfc I really don’t see anyone stopping them (knocking on wood) and same with ravens. Every team in the AFC is really off this year and like everyone says no one knows what’s gonna happen next season but THIS season seems to be the easiest path for the both of those teams
I agree with Acho on this not saying he can’t get back but he shares a division with Joe burrow and Deshaun Watson and I guarantee the chiefs won’t look this bad next year if he doesn’t win it’s gonna be a lot harder in the future
So if Lamar doesn't win this SB he's done ? Yes there are other QB's out. But 2 weeks ago they said Lamar is not ready for Brock Purdy. And last week, Tua was going to take the MVP trophy right out of Jackson's locker. And now..................................................................
18:40 it wasn’t about the “dealer showing something” about another team.. lamar got hurrrtt or another player on the ravens got hurt in those last seasons
Lamar is currently at his peak and could be for another several years. He has young offensive pieces and Mark Andrews is elite when he gets back. The line isn’t even that great and could get so much better over time in the future. Not to mention they’re not even that healthy. I see the Ravens being the best in the AFC for years to come
I swear even if Lamar wins the superbowl this year people are gonna put qualifiers on it because of other teams having qb injuries and the Chiefs looking 'vulnerable'. But if there are two things in life i'm certain of its --- haters gonna hate, and Lamar gonna ball
So nothing was said about the bengals when they beat us in the first round when we were beat up and didn’t even have Lamar…. But now y’all do it when we get here… considering unsubscribing because you clearly aren’t professional at all. Joy is the o my one that even gives our team credit bruh. Like I said, u never said anything about people going up against a beat up ravens team but you continue to push the goal posts back against Lamar and this team. Time for accountability
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Why is it when Lamar Jackson is having a success and proving haters like Acho wrong all the sudden the topic is “Super Bowl or Bust” but he never questioned the players he been putting over Lamar like Joe Borrow, Josh Allen, Justin Hebert even Tua? 🤔 Goofball
Well Lamar has only one playoff name to his name where Allen and Burrow both have 4 or 5 I think. Allen has also been better than Lamar every year since 2020. Lamar is great but his lack of showing up in the playoffs definitely hurts him. Should be over Herbert and Tua though.
I disagree with the Super Bowl or Bust though. Ravens have had a great year and Lamar has been good and defense is S tier. Lamar shouldn't sit though this week. Last time he did that it didn't go so well for them in the playoffs.
It's a Black QB thing, for years they wouldn't let a Black person coach or play QB mostly....fxxk em.
Preach 🙌🙌🙌
Have you seen Lamar playoff record? He has not played good in the playoffs
Allen been to AFCCG Burrow been to a SB
Outside if the regular season what has Lamar done?
@@larry2281Umm was the question playoff win or bust or superbowl or bust? You can win all them playoff games but if you don’t win the superbowl it doesn’t matter. And allen only had 2 better seasons than Lamar cuz Lamar was hurt but Ofcourse we penalize lamar for getting hurt but borrow gets a pass. When Lamar is healthy he proving he can take his team to the playoffs with less weapon while allen might not even make it.
Dear Lamar,
Don't listen to these people. I am so proud of you and how you have overcome racism and a plethora of hateful rhetoric. You are great and your mother did an excellent job raising you.
Lamar already has the knowledge of the lesson you teaching Lamar is gonna be a Superbowl champion at some point in his career ppl like to 22:09 forget Payton wasn't good on first few playoff appearances either and is still considered top 2 or 3 all time
@@evileyevalausPeyton choked coming back and and not only losing the heisman trophy he lost a bowl game. Choked against Brady, choked against Brees, choked against the ravens, choked against Seahawks. 2-4. That’s y’all measuring stick.
PREACH!
Did they say anything about him being a bad person or are they just talking about the Super Bowl? You are crazy if you don’t think the Ravens should be expected to make the Super Bowl with all these other AFC teams having down years including Mahomes and the Chiefs.
His character is good. This a sport tho so we looking at his gb play. Hes been good this year. Career-wise, not so much
The Ravens are without their best lineman, their best pass catcher, their best running back, and their speedy back. The fact that ppl are trying this “Super Bowl or bust” narrative is crazy.
Yet they call the Ravens healthy still as well
It’s Super Bowl or bust because the chiefs are a mess…all other teams in the afc are missing their starting QB aside from a few. If the ravens don’t represent the afc in the Super Bowl this year it’s an absolute failure.
people keep forgetting ravens'/lamar's playoff record. With the situation of the AFC contenders this year, Ravens need to win now. Because if the Chiefs are fixed I'll take them every year.
@@dyoutube439true, let’s see him make it to a NFC championship game!
Every year is our best chance unless lamar is injured The guy with bust comment didnt see the miami game it seems The argument that others are hurt are not playing well doenst seems logical because 49ers were best till we met so were dolphin and tua
Shot out to Shady McCoy for keeping 💯
Acho always finds a way to paint a negative scenario.
I looked him up SPECIFICALLY to see wht negative he would find to say...
@@rodneyjohnson7730 Acho vs Van Lathan
That’s what he’s paid to do and gladly does, straight Bot.
Every time..
And I would say that’s just him being a good host but we see he is a huge fan of cowboys, browns, 49ers and he never pushes these negative scenarios on these teams. Smh. They can play less than ravens and he hypes them up. Look how he talks Baker compared to Lamar and one is clearly better than the other smh.
I'm with Shady on this one. Plus we shouldn't forget that the Ravens are dealing with significant injuries this year as well.
Every year they get hit with injuries! They have the worst luck. To think they’re looking this dominant without their #1&2 RB and arguably their best pass catcher in Andrews and I believe a player or 2 in the secondary
@@mr.ridley8255 they've been so dominant, no one can see that
the ravens injuries are so tame compared to the rest of the AFC.
Every team as injured
@@MattMedvinlol
They trying to set up the narrative so they can move the goal posts if he wins the Super Bowl. Next year they’LL say everyone was hurt or not in the playoffs. I love it
Exactly what I'm thinking!! It's always some caveat!!! Smh
Lamar will never get his just due!!
@@StudentOfLife365If I won the Super Bowl MVP and I was Lamar I would be like “f*ck em” 😂
Let’s set up our own narrative stating that these teams ONLY WON because Lamar was hurt. They haven’t had to face a healthy Lamar with weapons
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Playoff Records:
Josh Allen 4-4
Justin Herbert 0-1
Deshaun Watson 1-2
Lamar Jackson 1-3
The fact that Acho tried to act like Lamar is dodging smoke from THESE guys is BEYOND me! 😂
I seen the hate in his eye.
Justin Herbert should playing better to be in the playoffs. Even if Aaron Rodgers is healthy, they still got cooked. Joe Burrow got cooked twice by Lamar Jackson, this season.
Cause he phoney...his argument is the amalgamation of hours upon hours of try'na figure out how to NOT eat crow wit all the "bull-mess" he been spewin about Lamar after such a dominant victory over a very good team...none of this will be easy for the Ravens or Lamar, no matter wht he says and how he tries to frame it...
And he hasn’t played good in the playoffs at all
I kno its tech 1-3 but I feel like it's really 1-2. He got a concussion in the 1st quarter of one of those games and never returned but since he started, gets the L
@@Kn1ght269 False. 2020 Divisonal playoff against the Bills he got hurt the beginning of the 4th quarter.
They wasn't saying that when lamar got hurt the past 2 seasons. They always try to find a way to discredit lamar. If he loses, he's a choke artist, if he wins, its only because his path was easy 😂😂😂🤦🏿
choke artist 😂😂😂
This is why we say Lamar won't be respected unless he wins two championships. The ravens success is not due to other teams injuries. We are beating the highest level teams at their peak. But we must discredit Lamar at every chance apparently.
Foh the ravens had 80 percent of the team injured the past 2 years and the bengals beat the ravens last year because Lamar was out and so was a bunch of our starters
Well said. Idk why we even listen to these "experts" they are more wrong than my local weatherman.
Oh, Constant Victim syndrome. Half the QBs are black now. Juss stop it. He didn't get his contract cause he wasnt light skin!!! On an on an on😂😂😂😂
We just going to keep winning bro
except the Browns apparently
This will be one of the most dominant superbowl runs of all time, I'm calling it now.
Facts
It really is looking like it, but luck plays a role in one and done games too. I hope they get it!
Or one of the greatest collapses?
@@CraigC55 That could also be possible
Lamar's playoffs record has been bad consider how great he is, hopefully, it will change, we'll see.
Every year is Super Bowl or Bust for Lamar cause people only judge him by the handful of playoff games he's been in. They condense his entire career into 4 games. Frankly it's insulting but haters got to talk about something.
The craziest thing…. Those same people LOVE vick and ive even seen borderline HOF arguments…. Yet that same logic doesnt apply then? Lol
They do the same for dak unfortunately!
@@Dell_214 Even Dak has more than 1 playoff win and has played well in some of the playoff games and still gets more hate than Lamar. Imagine if Dak had Harbough and the Ravens his whole career instead of Garrett and the Cowboys.
Well lets see. His first playoff start against Chargers he was horrid. His second against Titants he was mediocre. His 3rd which was a win against titans he was ever so slightly better than mediocre. Let's say he was just okay. His fourth one he was again, horrid.
Burrows first playoff game he was excellent. This is with a top 4 worst oline in that year, 2021. Burrows second playoff game was against Titans and he played good. Again, 4th worst oline and titans had a top ten defense that year. His 3rd playoff game was against chiefs at kansas city. Burrow was good again This time against a top 5 offense and team in the chiefs. Then 4th one against rams who were the best team that year with a #1 defense and #1 pass rush, and Burrow played just okay. Mind you, still remember he was playing behind one of the worst olines in the NFL.
Lamar has never had such a horrid line to work with and hes had two top5 olines or 3 top ten olines since his first playoff year in 2020.
No, it’s Super Bowl or bust because you Lamar fans call him “elite” which is the top tier of QB’s in the NFL AND Lamar and the ravens have the most dominant defense in the NFL, Lamar also has OBJ3,the electrifying rookie X-ray flowers and the 1st round phenom in rashad Bateman with the 2nd best O-line in the NFL, that is why it’s Super Bowl or bust!!!
Being a person who lives in the Baltimore area, and a Ravens fan I loved this discussion about the Ravens
Man they’re really comparing Lamar at 21/22 mvp to 26/27 mvp…this man has worked on his craft and has matured. He already knows and thinks about 2019 that’s why he’s so focused because of people like Acho fueling him to succeed. The whole team knows.
Now here we come with the narrative that the ravens had a easy path because other teams are banged up smh
Funny we gone use the failure of Borrow, Josh Allen and Hebert not making the playoffs to discredit Lamar if he doesn’t but never talk about how borrow isn’t playing cuz he is injured yet we never call him “Injury prone” like we do Lamar. Allen could be eliminated next week yet we never talk about that as a bust. I don’t even want to bring up Hebert like Shady said, he never earned anything to be compared to Lamar but yet he is put ahead of Lamar. 2x MVP while y’all fav QB don’t even have 1
Lamar chokes in playoff games....simple as that. He hasn't proven he can win in the p/o's..Burrow has been to the SB
The Bills have to win to get in, but they got already in smh CRAZY
@@IISR9II hurts been to superbowl he better than Josh Allen?
Right smh 🤦🏽♂️ like he can beat all them healthy
Actually they're starting to call Burrow injury prone now
Narrative incoming. Lamar only won cause everyone was hurt.
But when Lamar was hurt i was told that injuries are apart of the game.
Exactly!!!
Facts! 💯
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Ravens ended up with one of the hardest if not the hardest strength of schedules in the league this year. Wtf are they talking about.
Thank you Shady for that Herbert comment! Dude ain’t even won a playoff game but he could stop Lamar. Child please
gotta defend herbert here, they're using him rightnow to diminish lamar, but last season they called him social mediq QB all year and put tua above him. herbert gets no praise for what he does (carries the chargers to every skin of their teeth win they have the last 4 years) without him, they're totally garbage.
@@cagedcombat6696 😂😂😂...they're garbage with him...😂😂😂
@@cagedcombat6696 Herbert is trash man, wasted talent, has all the talent in the world but doesnt have it above the shoulders, he doesnt have a winning mentality, ive never see herbert trying to get his guys fired up, like i see burrow, allen, mahomes doing all the time. Herbert just aint got that winners mentality. Imagine if Josh Allen, Mahomes "this year", Lamar, came into the league with weapons like Keenan allen, Mike WIlliams, Austin Eckler, and still after 4 seasons have a losing record, yet we still talk about herbert like hes accomplished anything but massive let down and dissapointment
lamar a choke artist 😂
The path is never easy. He makes it look easy. We love Lamar. And Lamar Jackson does not play against quarterbacks, he plays against defenses. Stop diluting what he is doing. Haters.
1-3 doesn't look 'easy'. And that's with Lamar being great. That's the point Acho is making. Even if you are a great talent, Super Bowl appearances and wins aren't easy to come by. You need a lot of things to go your way. He's just pointing out that this would be the year he has the best chance based on everything around the league. The fact that you think having this conversation is them being haters is wild.
@@Penguin5x3Remember Lamar has never had the weapons that Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Josh Allen have and he’s still made the playoffs 4 times
1.I hope Baltimore can get it done!!
2. It comes down to Lamar Jackson! PERIOD!
They had that heart break in 2019 .. normally doesn’t happen a 2nd time like that.. they went through their growing pains in 2019.. 2023 is their yr
I love the 20+ minute segment on Lamar & the Ravens.
If ANYONE has a bright future in this league, it's going to be the youngest two-time MVP of all time, the youngest Heisman winner of all time, Lamar Jackson. Ridiculous notion.
That’s what we thought about Rodger’s everyone thought he’d go back and look at him now
@@death1168 I think if he doesnt win now it's the biggest missed opportunity but if he plays to his standard in every game you can't be mad at ta loss. I also think the circumstances are different bc the league is extremely QB-driven now and they're mostly in the AFC.
He's the youngest two-time MVP because a lot of his ability is his athleticism. You think he will be playing this great in his thirties? That's why he needs to win now. If you think he will have as much success once he loses a step or any of his elusiveness, you are setting yourself up.
@@Penguin5x3....you sound foolish...and a little jealous.😂😂😂
@@smelly6065 now try explaining why it's foolish.
Ravens are the new dynasty in the making, not only will they win it all this year they've already set themselves up for future success. Ravens basically got two first round picks when they drafted Zay and the 311 pound beast at lineman Andrew Vorhees who tore his ACL right before the combine. If you think Lamar got all day in the pocket now wait till next year as Zay transforms to year two and ravens continue to feel in weaknesses during the off season
There's no guarantee he will be an elite lineman..and he's already having to overcome a serious injury..but if he can live up, Ravens are going to steamroll.
Next year Ravens will lose Madubuike, Queen, Clowney, Van Noy, multiple CBs, Geno stone, OBJ, Dobbins, Gus Bus, & I think even Kevin Zeitler. With little to NO MONEY to replace any of them.
I’ve been saying it since 2019, the SB window ends after 2023. It sucks that due to injuries they really only had 1-2 fair shots at it, but this is it, unless they can pull off back to back 10/10 extraordinary draft classes.
Shady said the quiet part out loud about Herbert!!
Nobody even mention Cleveland top defense with a veteran superbowl mvp qb. Baltimore fan here but im worried about Cleveland more than any of them
Foreal man....I do not want to see them play the Browns right now. Lol sheesh
Joe Flacco a different quarterback in January. Baltimore got their 2nd superbowl because of Flacco Torey Smith Anquon Bowldin && company. Ray Lewis & Ed Reed were at the end of the careers
Yep Cleveland and seeing the Niners again
Cleveland-MAJOR THREAT
Buffalo-Gotta make it first
Miami-Keep your eye on them
Last one might surprise some...
Pittsburgh-ALWAYS A THREAT
Hahahahahahhahahaaha. Browns are a joke. You obviously haven't watched their games. There are only 3 teams that MIGHT give the Ravens problems, in this order: Bills, Chiefs, Steelers.
Flacco gives up picks like Halloween candy. He will not survive the Ravens blitz. Browns have the most turnovers in the league. If the Ravens can shut down Tua they can shut down Flacco. Browns defensive front 4 is wet toilet paper. They give up tons of TDs. They got one receiver (Cooper) and one TE (Njoku) and both can be taken out the game. The only thing Browns got is an elite secondary but they ain't got enough horses to cover all the Ravens receivers and finally NOBODY can stop Lamar. Browns have defied the odds and won all kinds of games they shouldn't have. They have had a remarkable and entertaining season. But the dream stops if they can make it to Baltimore.
It’s not a bust season because there’s a lot of people out there that didn’t think that the Ravens would be this good this year with a new offensive coordinator and new weapons on the roster.
I think anything short if the AFC Title game, and a good performance, is a bust. Lamar needs to show up in the playoffs, period. Only then can he erase the doubters. To be fair, he is not the only one I put that on. I feel the same about Allen and Dak.
Lamar has a chance to lead Bal to a Super Bowl if he does we will see if he can win 1.
You will see if the Ravens can win 1 as a team
@@ivorian_king33 That would be awesome!!!!
As a Ravens fan....the Browns is the scariest team in the AFC with Flacco
Them, Miami holding a grudge, and Pissburgh, if they make it
Pissburgh😂
The ravens no Flacco an I think they expose him if they play
they keep mentioning herbert as if hes a common player in the playoffs LOL
11:00 Thank you Joy Taylor I really appreciate you calling Acho out on that bs to get him to start back peddling
Here we go again the new goal post...if Lamar win the SB they'll say "well everybody was injured he have to do it when everybody healthy" I swear Lamar can't win with them 😅
Lamar got paid
He don't have too he just gotta go win football games
@jmoney6043 it's disgusting what they are implying lol Lamar goes to postseason every year. He's 27. How is this is just? It's a busy for every team in the playoffs if that's the case? It's one football game. Anything can happen. There has been injuries EVERY postseason. To set up the "well injuries & blah blah " excuse is CRAZY lol it happens every year. Why do it with Lamar? I just pray he wins. Cause it's nothing you pure in your heart haters can say. He's gonna dig walk the AFC & whoever comes out the NFC better be ready. Lamar don't lose to them 🥱🤷🏾♂️
@jmoney6043you mad bro...😂😂😂
@jmoney6043 I agree making some bitchass excuses when they dominated the 49ers. You have the best team! Super Bowl or Bust
Acho is cooking with the black jack reference lol.
I’m just here for joy
Not mad at you, brotha. If I wasn't old enough to be her Daddy, I'd be here for her too. I have a daughter her age!
I really do hate to agree with Acho but it kinda ain’t getting any easier.. Team rolling at the right time.. Get 2 weeks to get healthy.. Andrews coming back, Likely turned into a star so now you got 2 good tight ends, receivers got their groove.. and most importantly.. other teams in the AFC don’t look too hot.. it’s gotta be this year.
This is the second time Lamar has gotten the #1 seed . The difference this time is he is primed and so is the team ! They will be the team in everyone’s way moving forward …… as a matter of fact they have been whenever Lamar is healthy! We sitting here acting like the bills are injured, the dolphins, the chiefs ( and don’t give me the chiefs sad song Lamar has been dealing with what patty is for his entire career ) and the browns actually look better with Flacco regardless of his age . Lamar is the guy to go through for the next 7 years cut it out .
That's all anyone is saying. If not now, then when? Doesn't mean we don't think Lamar isn't great and people aren't haters for having this conversation. It's just really hard in the NFL to make super bowls, let alone win them. Mahomes and Brady are extreme outliers. You can't rely on any QB to make multiple super bowls outside of those two.
@@Penguin5x3Russell Wilson, Peyton Manning, Big Ben, Eli did it
Yea I agree. But it was 2 narratives Acho was spewing and I don’t agree with both. Yes this is an easier year than normal to make a nice SB run. But would u call it a “bust” if they lose in championship round in a close game? Will he never have another chance? Now is the perfect time like Acho said but instead of just saying that and making that point he’s adding on “Bust” which imo is a negative stereotype. He could imply the same thing about 49ers but didn’t cuz that’s his team.
Shady push back on other teams having bigger questions got me ready for start of next season!
7:30 Shady went in on Hilbert 😂😂
Healthy? Andrews, Dobbins, Mitchell, Hamilton, and Humphrey last game have been injured. Got to move the goalposts.
I would love a rematch Super Bowl. 49ers Vs Ravens
Lamar beat all of them this season before they got hurt excluding the ones who weren’t on our schedule. Granted we want a Super Bowl every year but if we don’t do it , it’s no credit taken. But I believe this is the year 😈😈😈
Lamar is the People's Champ right now. Even division rivals think his treatment in the media is unfair.
Great content. A super bowl winner is a super bowl winner, regardless on who they beat. Can't take the ring away from whoever wins.
I agree with Acho, this is the year to win the Super Bowl with Jackson at quarterback because if they do, more Super Bowls appearances and more Super Bowls championships to cone on a regular basis the same as the Mahomes led Kansas City Chiefs and if they fail to get to the Super Bowl this season having home field advantage throughout the playoffs in the AFC, it's down hill going to become tougher for Jackson going back to the Super Bowl and winning rings on a regular basis...not because of Jackson but more about the players/teammates he will have going forward.
Honestly and unfortunately, the season ending injury to starting tight end Mark Andrews (rehab and recover fully), Jackson's primary passing target has opened up the entire passing game strategy for the Ravens offense that keeps derenders really nervous.
This is the year, the right Ravens team for Jackson and his motivation to get the job done.
Lamar ain't dodging NO SMOKE! These other teams have to worry about HIM! These are the same "analyst" that were saying the Baker Mayfield, Josh Rosen, and Sam Darnold would be better QBs than Lamar! What are y'all watching?!?!
As a Niner fan. Ravens are balling hard. Only Ravens can stop Ravens. The Lamar Ravens as of recently have yet to prove a deep playoff run...i think thats where the doubt is concerned...to me they have the best chance to win it all....My niners will be there but they will be tough to beat
The Lamar Jackson discourse is rigged. It’s “Super Bowl or bust” so if he loses they’ll slander him. If he wins they’ll discredit him. “He had an easy path”
With more regular season MVPs than post season wins, that would be even worse than what people say Peyton Manning’s playoff record was
Lamar and the ravens had one of toughest Schedule in the regular season.
I think we’re forgetting the bengals success really only has occurred in the two seasons Lamar has been hurt
Thaaaaaank you! I say this all the time!
Right they never bring that up tho 😂😂😂😂😂we just going to keep winning and one point we had 17 players on IR and still went playoffs lol
@@jimbean3671yall choke 😂😂
Here's the thing... they're saying it's the Ravens easiest chance to win a SB. However, if they win the SB then they'll use the excuse that they had an easy path and hold it against them. It's a lose lose. The Ravens got nothing to lose at this point. Just go do it.
James Jones is right as usual. He is my favorite person on this show.
I predicted a Cowboys-Ravens SB when Action Jackson got paid. The Ravens are my youngest sons favorite team. I'm a Cowboys fan. So once that fiasco was put to rest I told my son. It's gonna be the Ravens vs The Boys in the SUPERBOWL. 😂
It went from being San Francisco to now being Superbowl or bust for a team they were not giving any respect to especially Ocho, he was out here talking about The Bills being the best team in the AFC just two weeks ago, dude is a joke 🤣🤣
Agree with acho, BUT the way Lamar is killing the competition right now, I think even if the entire AFC was healthy, Lamar makes it out the AFC to the Super Bowl. A 49er fan take.
This was the greatest segment I can remember!
Acho mentioned texico and blackjack after i just learned about them
But how the ravens healthy but Kyle didn’t play Marlon didn’t play the full game they was playing practice squad dbs against Miami
Setting up the narrative already… “Lamar didn’t play nobody” “Everybody was hurt when he won” the hate continues and the goal posts keep moving for Lamar. It’s criminal
I'm tired of hearing bout Joe Burrow. What a surprise he won the AFc north back to back only cause Lamar got hurt both seasons😂
I mean. You can counter that with "what a surprise Lamar won the AFC north when Burrow got hurt." They're both going to be going at it for years and hopefully both stay healthy for those matchups.
Naw bro right
If Lamar had Jamar chase it would be curtains
What a surprise Lamar has won the AFC North only when Burrow wasn't in the league or hurt.
Lamar is 4-1 against Burrow and led the AFC North both 21/22 before getting injured. Joe Burrow was healthy both of those seasons. This season it wasn't even close...😂😂😂. You guys sound like 🤡s
Shady & Joy make a great duo of truth
Super Bowl or bust for anybody is just crazy , super Bowls are too hard to win , and Lamar is still young how is this a superbowl or bust for him ?
Love this sho even Ocho hating axxx always trying for the creative plot twist
I knew this was coming, yes Lamar and the ravens are winning some games . BUT when others QB, s go to the playoffs . Now you have to ask only about him . Like, yall want the ravens to fail . Yall, sorry, man .How does he know we gonna get Mark Andrew's back . Lamar got man haters like a group of messy women AUCHO
I hate when they say it wont be any easier than this year. Already creating a narrative if we win it all. It's any given sunday. Not Ravens fault certain favorites have underperformed or riddled with injury. Nobody cared when it was us. They've been handling business..know it comes with the territory of people waiting for the Ravens to fail but this team has a different vibe. As long as we dont get in our own way we are SB bound 😈
I don’t get that! The Browns are good and have a Super Bowl qb pushing them now.
2019 Lamar was a baby. This Lamar is going into his full on prime. I'd be suprised if the Ravens don't win the whole thing this year.
Joy is a looker,em,em,em....
BUST potential
Even if Ravens make it to the Superbowl, Lamar will still have to face a good team to win... he deserves the credit for this Ravens offense but lets stop pretending it's their offense thats carrying that team. Its their elite defense thats steamrolling.
Foolish how the most battle-tested team (KC) in the league is being overlooked. They have an elite defense, a good runner, and they have Reid and Mahomes. They absolutely can make a run.
Ravens are more battle tested but okay
They would get smoked by Balt
We like it this way
Kc wr. Have hands like a snake
@@darrondoss8660 and still got the W 👋🏾
Bret Michaels with a Footbal is HE LARRY US 🤣
Lamar has 1 playoff win. Let's remember that
First it was he will never win a playoff game(remember that?) now it’s lamar has a playoff win smh…
Herbert has no playoff wins. Lets remember that.
I’ll come back to this when we win the Super Bowl
So the growth of young players isn’t a thing 🤔and here I thought people got more familiar over year with experience is that actually not a thing in life…..
It’s not all on Lamar
The ravens team let him down a coaching even when he put up 500 yds on his own against the titans.
Y’all just b hating an not looking n to the details
Never thought Id hear "Brett Michaels with a football" lmao Shady crazy!
That’s just the point we don’t know if Joe will get back to a SB , they went lost and now Joe is hurt . That is Acho’s point
I think Joy forgot the question, cause I have no idea what she’s trying to defend. Obviously anyone can win another Super Bowl but it’s obviously superbowl or bust for the ravens this year. Most of the afc isn’t playing good and the ravens are healthy. There’s no better year for them, than this year.
Mfs wanna see Lamar fall flat on his face SOOOOO BAD it’s so pathetic bro 😂😂
I agree with Shady on this one…
This year is a Super Bowl or bust for both the ravens and niners. My niners been knocking on the door and this year the nfc I really don’t see anyone stopping them (knocking on wood) and same with ravens. Every team in the AFC is really off this year and like everyone says no one knows what’s gonna happen next season but THIS season seems to be the easiest path for the both of those teams
Why is it so hard to give Lamar praise but so easy put pressure on him?
Thank you Shady and Joy.
The rest of the crew is on to Ocho's hate of the Ravens lol
Acho is right
Why is there hate for Lamar as an QB when he has ALL kinds of success but other QBs that have half the success they praise them up??😂😅😢
Ive been paying attention for a while now..... and I think Acho thinks he's smarter than he really is.....
I agree with Acho on this not saying he can’t get back but he shares a division with Joe burrow and Deshaun Watson and I guarantee the chiefs won’t look this bad next year if he doesn’t win it’s gonna be a lot harder in the future
Lamar is 3-1 vs Burrow and 8-2 overall. Lamar is 3-1 vs Watson and 7-2 vs the Browns. Now will the Chiefs retool yes.
Exactly the point. Teams gone catch up and get better. You gotta win while you can
So if Lamar doesn't win this SB he's done ? Yes there are other QB's out. But 2 weeks ago they said Lamar is not ready for Brock Purdy. And last week, Tua was going to take the MVP trophy right out of Jackson's locker. And now..................................................................
Nah it’s just a great opportunity
"The dealer is showing a 6' great analogy. 😛
Loving the analysis 👌
18:40 it wasn’t about the “dealer showing something” about another team.. lamar got hurrrtt or another player on the ravens got hurt in those last seasons
Pound for pound…this might be the best sports show on tv
So you're saying Dak don't deserve MVP? That's crazy for a QB that has been proving he's credible.
7:42 💯💯💯💯💯HE HASNT STOPPED NOBODY YET!!!!
I love my Ravens but right now I’m kinda loving Joy.. 🥵
My God. She is so fine.
Lamar is currently at his peak and could be for another several years. He has young offensive pieces and Mark Andrews is elite when he gets back. The line isn’t even that great and could get so much better over time in the future. Not to mention they’re not even that healthy. I see the Ravens being the best in the AFC for years to come
Lamar the best QB in the NFL i dont got us having no close games in the playoffs
Baltimore got better weapons all around him now, and running a brilliant balanced offensive scheme, Miami fan here.
Thank you Shady 😅
Funny how James said the time is now for the ravens but i feel it is the same for the 49ers
Acho with an emmy mention in the middle is comical. Legit had to turn it off I can’t listen to that guy speak on anything
Dis sho iz betta dan UNDISPUTED 👏 💪
I swear even if Lamar wins the superbowl this year people are gonna put qualifiers on it because of other teams having qb injuries and the Chiefs looking 'vulnerable'. But if there are two things in life i'm certain of its --- haters gonna hate, and Lamar gonna ball
Tell em to go fuq themselves.
From a Steeler fan.
Am rootin for Lamar cuz he is representing the AFC.
ok and if he loses in the divisional and hes 1-5 in postseason how you feeling
So nothing was said about the bengals when they beat us in the first round when we were beat up and didn’t even have Lamar…. But now y’all do it when we get here… considering unsubscribing because you clearly aren’t professional at all. Joy is the o my one that even gives our team credit bruh. Like I said, u never said anything about people going up against a beat up ravens team but you continue to push the goal posts back against Lamar and this team. Time for accountability