Because Tesla’s only concern with the Model 3 is producing more of them for less money. The Model 3 sells in such a high volume they aren’t concerned about eeking out the last few hundredths of a second in acceleration. They just want to make the car as accessible to as many people as possible. Musk has said he will never make a Model 3 Plaid. It would just complicate the car too much was his explanation.
@@teslasnekyou can heat up battery by just “ navigating” to SC. You don’t need to actually go there. Alternatively, supercharging will increase the battery temp at same time as increasing SOC. My best qtr mile runs have all been right after supercharging and not necessarily with a super high SOC. I agree that it’s the heat the battery seems to love.
@@letsgobrandon5800 I know you don't have to go there. In one of my RUclips videos I demonstrate how just putting the SC into the Nav starts heating it up 😀 I was saying I wish Tesla would do a software update where you can heat up the battery without having to do that
I have found this phenomenon to be true with my Tesla S Plaid, when starting out first thing in the morning with cold battery, my 60 - 130 is 5.4-.5.5 sec @90+% SOC and then after warmed up a 4.6-4.8 60-130 with a 80%-90% SOC. This difference can clearly be felt in the SOTP as well.
I have been trying to get access to a LR + Boost but I haven’t been able to get anyone to come out to the track with one. I could definitely help them optimize it if they came out to the track.
@@JohnD0129 about 70 degrees F is optimal for efficiency. It can range from below freezing up to Supercharging temps. Just depends on what you are doing with it.
I use both the S3XY buttons and the Teslogic Display Device. Both of those are great for monitoring power and temperatures. I have revised the Teslogic device on my channel and I will review the S3XY buttons as well.
@@l5ccna879 focus on the Max Discharge value. It will be higher if temp is high and SOC is high. Anything above 600 HP for Max Discharge will perform well. 627 HP for Max Discharge is close to optimal.
I was also going to ask some questions about the M3P. Why is it that even when I navigate to a supercharger and preconditioned my battery until it turns off sometimes the car is still not performing at it’s best toward the top end like 40+? I notice that the car has days where you don’t even need to pre condition and it feels like crazy and other days where it feels like 200HP was just stripped from the car even with some pre-conditioning. Could this be due to the battery getting too hot? Maybe I need to use the track mode feature to cool off and then pre condition once again to get that optimal performance? I’ve had so many questions about this car because I’ve had it for about 2 years now and I notice that it’s just inconsistent sometimes. If it always gave out it’s true potential the car would never lose😂 I’ve been able to keep up with AWD cars like GTRs and M5s and even pull a big gap on them from lower rolls. I want to know what is the way that I can always have my battery at optimal temperature no matter the temperature outside. I live in Pennsylvania so performance and battery life goes down pretty good during the winter. And this is more a question toward the top end performance of the car I notice that the car stays pretty consistent in the low end range.
@@Rodger16 sorry I was in Philly at the Eagles 🦅 game the last few days so I couldn’t respond. You really need to monitor temperatures with something like the S3XY buttons to know what is going on. Motors could be overheating or something like that. You can’t tell unless you are monitoring the numeric values for temperature of all of the components.
@@LearningFast okay sounds good. Should I purchase the new S3XY knob they just released or the buttons that you have? Also will this affect the warranty on my Tesla at all?
@@LearningFast after searching more on the net I discovered this. am i able to accomplish this by just purchasing the commander and wiring without the sexy buttons buttons? i really don need the functions of the buttons with maybe the exception of precondition, but just looking to get the display as presented on your video. thanks for replying.
@@jamiecmoore yes theoretically you can do that but I would highly recommend the S3XY buttons too. They are worth the extra money and will help tremendously.
I got my VIN yesterday. Should be here in 1-2 weeks. I still have my old Model 3 Performance as well. Going to run both of them down the track side by side before I sell the old one.
At .51-100 on your video is this on your cell phone of some kind of monitor ,. as I want to set up a system like this too. when I get my 2024 Model 3 Love more details on how this whole system is installed and used. I know the sexy buttons somehow are involved but not clear on how. Also like to know how to monitor motor temperatures.
Excellent information. Thank you for sharing! Do you have any other tips to preheat or precondition the battery besides routing to a supercharger in my M3P?
Honestly, preheating the battery makes such a big difference not a lot else matters. However, changing to 18” wheels does help some with acceleration too. That isn’t free like heating the battery though.
@@JohnD0129 not really. Ambient temps are no where near optimal temps for Supercharging. Now, if it is 30 degrees F outside and you are trying to get to 130+ degrees F it is going to take a lot longer.
I test drove a model x plaid today. The acceleration was less intense than I expected. The battery was at 20% and I noticed the blue snowflake next to the state of charge when I started driving although it did go away. Would you agree that this is the reason for the lacklustre performance? Great video!
Yea, if the battery is cold and depleted it will affect performance in any EV. Tell them to charge it to 100% and then Precondition the battery for Supercharging or use Dragstrip mode in the Plaid vehicles.
whats up with the regen..my fiat 500e is listed at 111hp (83kW) with a 24kWh battery and it will do 75kW(100hp) regen after a couple minutes of driving and even at 80-90% SoC. regen is low when the battery is full
Hey Travis. If you set navigation to a Supercharger to pre condition but don’t drive but stay in park will it still pre condition the battery and eventually turn off pre conditioning when battery temp is reached ?
Yes, it will still precondition if you are in Park. However, there is a trick to it. You really need to have your foot on the brake and be seated in the seat or it can turn itself off early sometimes. I usually just roll the windows down and sit in the pits for 10-15 minutes before I do my run.
@@LearningFast sweet. Imma give it a try. Do you set your Schedule Departure ? Does that also pre-heat / pre condition the battery as well ? I set mine for 7am departure climate/pre heat before heading to work. Seems a bit more peppy. Maybe it’s all in my hand. I charge to 80% not sure of that is enough
This is applicable with your car configuration but not in some others. If you used higher C rate cells like the Telsa 4680 Tabless cells. The Specific energy, or gravimetric energy density, isn't much different but the internal resistance and Power density is much higher. Much more than the Power the motor uses. So much higher that you could have double or maybe even triple or more kW's to put out then the controller is set to deliver and the controller will throttle back. So what happens is even with the battery is cold or lower state of charge you can output at or very close to 100% rated power. So in many conditions of charge and heat the battery will be able to out power the draw to the motor and the controller will just limit it. This will likely be more apparent in the CyberTruck with its 800V setup. Even the Plaid S can do 41 1/4 mile runs all in the 9 second range even when the battery is down to 20% state of charge. The 2024 Rimac Nevera paired with its 117.0-kWh battery pack can output 1877HP and do 8.6 second 1/4 runs. You could take that same setup and cap the controllers max amps or total kW and limit HP to 1000HP then state of charge will have little effect on performance as the battery has extra to give. The 4680 cells is where we will see a huge jump in potential peak performance but not much in added range as they are struggling to increase energy density.
I have been collecting data to make sure I give the most accurate and helpful information. I could just throw something out there right away to get clicks but I would rather give the most accurate information instead. It will be worth the wait.
Well done Travis. I shared this with my local Las Vegas tesla community.
Great video! So why doesn't Tesla add a drag strip mode to the model 3 performance to put it in the optimum range?
Because Tesla’s only concern with the Model 3 is producing more of them for less money. The Model 3 sells in such a high volume they aren’t concerned about eeking out the last few hundredths of a second in acceleration.
They just want to make the car as accessible to as many people as possible.
Musk has said he will never make a Model 3 Plaid. It would just complicate the car too much was his explanation.
@@LearningFastI still wish there was a way in the software to heat up the battery without having to navigate to a nearby supercharger lol 😄
@@teslasnekyou can heat up battery by just “ navigating” to SC. You don’t need to actually go there. Alternatively, supercharging will increase the battery temp at same time as increasing SOC. My best qtr mile runs have all been right after supercharging and not necessarily with a super high SOC. I agree that it’s the heat the battery seems to love.
@@letsgobrandon5800 I know you don't have to go there. In one of my RUclips videos I demonstrate how just putting the SC into the Nav starts heating it up 😀 I was saying I wish Tesla would do a software update where you can heat up the battery without having to do that
@@teslasnek how long do you have to be in "navigate to supercharger" to get to optimal temps?
Exactly on point. My Model 3 will literally feel like a prius if I do not preconditioning the battery in freezing winter temps.
I have found this phenomenon to be true with my Tesla S Plaid, when starting out first thing in the morning with cold battery, my 60 - 130 is 5.4-.5.5 sec @90+% SOC and then after warmed up a 4.6-4.8 60-130 with a 80%-90% SOC. This difference can clearly be felt in the SOTP as well.
Amazing Video! Do a Model Y Long Range with Acceleration Boost. 👍
Fantastic explanation.
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome Video! This will help me dominate at my drag strip 🐍😎
Please do a Model 3 LR with AB. Super interesting.
I have been trying to get access to a LR + Boost but I haven’t been able to get anyone to come out to the track with one. I could definitely help them optimize it if they came out to the track.
What’s the battery temp when precondition for supercharger? Hits 130degs ?
135 degrees F or more sometimes.
@@LearningFast what’s the normal range battery temps ?
@@JohnD0129 about 70 degrees F is optimal for efficiency. It can range from below freezing up to Supercharging temps. Just depends on what you are doing with it.
What do you use to see your battery temperature? I’m looking into buying something like that so that I can see my battery temp when I’m driving.
I want this as well
Sexy buttons
I use both the S3XY buttons and the Teslogic Display Device. Both of those are great for monitoring power and temperatures. I have revised the Teslogic device on my channel and I will review the S3XY buttons as well.
I just purchased the s3xy knob, Im wondering if you are strictly talking about the "battery temp" and not the "battery inlet" on the s3xy buttons app?
Battery temp and Battery inlet go hand in hand. Battery temp will always be trying to get to battery inlet temp.
@@LearningFast should we focus mostly on battery temp?
@@l5ccna879 focus on the Max Discharge value. It will be higher if temp is high and SOC is high. Anything above 600 HP for Max Discharge will perform well. 627 HP for Max Discharge is close to optimal.
Where did you buy that front lip? It looks great!
Thanks. It is the unplugged performance front lip. I just left it unpainted and polished it up.
I was also going to ask some questions about the M3P. Why is it that even when I navigate to a supercharger and preconditioned my battery until it turns off sometimes the car is still not performing at it’s best toward the top end like 40+? I notice that the car has days where you don’t even need to pre condition and it feels like crazy and other days where it feels like 200HP was just stripped from the car even with some pre-conditioning. Could this be due to the battery getting too hot? Maybe I need to use the track mode feature to cool off and then pre condition once again to get that optimal performance? I’ve had so many questions about this car because I’ve had it for about 2 years now and I notice that it’s just inconsistent sometimes. If it always gave out it’s true potential the car would never lose😂 I’ve been able to keep up with AWD cars like GTRs and M5s and even pull a big gap on them from lower rolls. I want to know what is the way that I can always have my battery at optimal temperature no matter the temperature outside. I live in Pennsylvania so performance and battery life goes down pretty good during the winter. And this is more a question toward the top end performance of the car I notice that the car stays pretty consistent in the low end range.
@@LearningFast Just sending a message to see if you got my comment question from the other day about the Tesla performance.
@@Rodger16 sorry I was in Philly at the Eagles 🦅 game the last few days so I couldn’t respond. You really need to monitor temperatures with something like the S3XY buttons to know what is going on. Motors could be overheating or something like that. You can’t tell unless you are monitoring the numeric values for temperature of all of the components.
@@LearningFast okay sounds good. Should I purchase the new S3XY knob they just released or the buttons that you have? Also will this affect the warranty on my Tesla at all?
What's the best way to cool the motors without cooling the battery?
Fans would only be your only option but it would be hard to get access to the motors.
What are you using to get these readings? looking to be able to monitor this as you were showing in this video.
@@jamiecmoore S3XY Buttons.
@@LearningFast after searching more on the net I discovered this. am i able to accomplish this by just purchasing the commander and wiring without the sexy buttons buttons? i really don need the functions of the buttons with maybe the exception of precondition, but just looking to get the display as presented on your video. thanks for replying.
@@jamiecmoore yes theoretically you can do that but I would highly recommend the S3XY buttons too. They are worth the extra money and will help tremendously.
@@LearningFast thank you for the reply. i will just end up getting the package with the buttons then.
Where’s the Highland performance? Many have had them for 2 weeks now.
I got my VIN yesterday. Should be here in 1-2 weeks. I still have my old Model 3 Performance as well. Going to run both of them down the track side by side before I sell the old one.
I'm wondering with the app "Tessie" we can trigger precondition and if not do it via an API call?
I don’t think it will work with anything but the S3XY buttons right now.
@LearningFast I wonder what exactly the S3XY buttons are doing that we can't mimic with an App or software?
@@l5ccna879 someone may be able to copy it. I just don’t think anyone else has done it yet.
At .51-100 on your video is this on your cell phone of some kind of monitor ,. as I want to set up a system like this too. when I get my 2024 Model 3 Love more details on how this whole system is installed and used. I know the sexy buttons somehow are involved but not clear on how. Also like to know how to monitor motor temperatures.
Just buy the S3XY buttons and install them. That is the S3XY buttons app.
@@curtspray yes.
Ok I found the information on how to install them on the Tesla Model 3 Highland. ruclips.net/video/HgKv-f3s6Tc/видео.html
Excellent information. Thank you for sharing! Do you have any other tips to preheat or precondition the battery besides routing to a supercharger in my M3P?
Honestly, preheating the battery makes such a big difference not a lot else matters. However, changing to 18” wheels does help some with acceleration too. That isn’t free like heating the battery though.
@@LearningFast does the preheating times vary depending on outside temps ?
@@JohnD0129 not really. Ambient temps are no where near optimal temps for Supercharging. Now, if it is 30 degrees F outside and you are trying to get to 130+ degrees F it is going to take a lot longer.
hi i wanted to ask you what do you think is faster to 60 a long range dual motor model 3 or a z51 corvette 2015 ?
Probably the Model 3 unless the Corvette has a bunch of mods. It also depends on whether the LR has the boost upgrade or not.
@@LearningFast ok thank you
I test drove a model x plaid today. The acceleration was less intense than I expected. The battery was at 20% and I noticed the blue snowflake next to the state of charge when I started driving although it did go away. Would you agree that this is the reason for the lacklustre performance? Great video!
Yea, if the battery is cold and depleted it will affect performance in any EV. Tell them to charge it to 100% and then Precondition the battery for Supercharging or use Dragstrip mode in the Plaid vehicles.
whats up with the regen..my fiat 500e is listed at 111hp (83kW) with a 24kWh battery and it will do 75kW(100hp) regen after a couple minutes of driving and even at 80-90% SoC. regen is low when the battery is full
Hey Travis. If you set navigation to a Supercharger to pre condition but don’t drive but stay in park will it still pre condition the battery and eventually turn off pre conditioning when battery temp is reached ?
Yes, it will still precondition if you are in Park. However, there is a trick to it. You really need to have your foot on the brake and be seated in the seat or it can turn itself off early sometimes. I usually just roll the windows down and sit in the pits for 10-15 minutes before I do my run.
@@LearningFast sweet. Imma give it a try. Do you set your Schedule Departure ? Does that also pre-heat / pre condition the battery as well ? I set mine for 7am departure climate/pre heat before heading to work. Seems a bit more peppy. Maybe it’s all in my hand. I charge to 80% not sure of that is enough
@@JohnD0129 scheduled departure preconditions for optimal efficiency. It won’t really help performance unless it is extremely cold out.
@@LearningFast ahhh I see. Ok
If any of you are in SoCal, I would like to test some of these examples in person for "research" purposes lol
This is applicable with your car configuration but not in some others. If you used higher C rate cells like the Telsa 4680 Tabless cells. The Specific energy, or gravimetric energy density, isn't much different but the internal resistance and Power density is much higher. Much more than the Power the motor uses. So much higher that you could have double or maybe even triple or more kW's to put out then the controller is set to deliver and the controller will throttle back. So what happens is even with the battery is cold or lower state of charge you can output at or very close to 100% rated power. So in many conditions of charge and heat the battery will be able to out power the draw to the motor and the controller will just limit it.
This will likely be more apparent in the CyberTruck with its 800V setup. Even the Plaid S can do 41 1/4 mile runs all in the 9 second range even when the battery is down to 20% state of charge. The 2024 Rimac Nevera paired with its 117.0-kWh battery pack can output 1877HP and do 8.6 second 1/4 runs. You could take that same setup and cap the controllers max amps or total kW and limit HP to 1000HP then state of charge will have little effect on performance as the battery has extra to give. The 4680 cells is where we will see a huge jump in potential peak performance but not much in added range as they are struggling to increase energy density.
Great info this will share with thr Chargeheads 😉⚡️🇬🇧
Awesome thank you!
Glad I live in Florida lol. Last two weeks when it was almost 100 degrees every day (and humid) car felt like it was on steroids or something.
Ambient temperature won’t heat it up anywhere near the optimal temperatures. You need to precondition it for supercharging for that.
Very disappointed that you haven’t run or posted the new Model 3 you’ve had over two weeks now Travis???
I have been collecting data to make sure I give the most accurate and helpful information. I could just throw something out there right away to get clicks but I would rather give the most accurate information instead. It will be worth the wait.