Cannon behaving like cannon, solid iron cannon balls not behaving like mini-nukes packed with napalm, cavalry behaving like cavalry when confronted by an infantry square and a push of pike that actually looks like a push of pike. Damn! This director deserves an Oscar
At this point I'm convinced that Oscars aren't for good movies, but are just a mark for bad movies that check the right boxes of diversity and emotional blackmailing, or the usual ass kissing.
This was amazingly accurate. The cavalry attacked correctly, and broke away when confronted with pikes. The push of pike was excellent, and not something you usually see in a movie. The outfits looked great and they where using period appropriate firearms and armor! Whoever put that much detail in this deserves a raise, they went all out.
I don't know what's more terrifying, standing still while a barrage of canons come at you, or slowly walking into the enemy with their pikes pointed at you.
The had an especial march for that you can still see it in the modern spanish legion that was tge way they approached to the enemy when they were in combat, some called a gay marching style when it was the most terrifying thing you could see if you were an infantery soldier marching at a slower speed
horrible. It's so important not to lose cohesion, but at the same time, this makes you a very easy target for cannons. They will rip through your formation as a sword ripps through paper.
The Disney woke have made mincemeat of the canons, and they are nothing more than hooligan pansies, so I would think the pikes would be more of a threat.
as a child I wanted to look like the hero of a western, as a teenager I wanted to look like the heroes of Marvel, as an adult I want to look like Captain Alatriste from this marvelous film that I have seen and seen again.
Non-CGI battles are so great even if we are just watching smaller skirmishes. The bodies have mass...not just a computer generated "flood". The costumes, the weapons..just fantastic!
Excellent points. If I may add something. In real life, there are all sorts of accidents or oddities to physical objects. Things fall apart or need repair at the weirdest of times. The result is naturalistic.
That's why more movies should use the approach that Lord of the Rings and Troy(2004) used. Namely, have live action fighting in the foreground and cgi models fighting in the background to make the battle look bigger. It's the best of both worlds in my opinion.
Makes sense that Aragorn would join the Spanish Tercios, one of the greatest infantry forces in European history. One third swordsman, one third riflemen, one third pikemen.
@Александр This is the "last hours" of the Tercio of Cartagena in Rocroi, so is accurate. The germans and italians fled, with the cavalry and the cannon were lost, but the veterans of the tercio(spaniards) refuse to surrender.
This battle gives me a historyboner. That fucking pike square... That skirmish phase... That Push of Pike... Damn, that brutally glorious hand to hand... Mmm... she thicc tho... Dat plumage... Dat armor... Yeah, she thicc...
Agnarr Salventius dude wtf is wrong with you. You can like it but don't glorify it, people would massacre each other in the push of pikes that's not poetic that's loss of human life
Actually, no. Pikemen were never considered doppelsoldner in any Renaissance army. The privilege was afforded to veterans with actual combat skills. These were usually skirmishers such as arquebusiers and crossbowmen in the two wings or four "sleeves" (mangas) of the square (which were in front of the pikemen when they turned to face outward). Or they were the shock troops, such as halberdiers, swashbucklers, and great-swordsmen, who remained in the center of the square to respond to attacks on any side. These guys did the most actual fighting and thus, suffered the brunt of the casualties. (Alatriste and his ward are both arquebusiers.) As for pikemen, whether or not you end up "in front" is a roll of the dice. This is because the fighting could happen on any side of the square. Their job was really to serve as a human wall to stop a cavalry charge from breaking the square or pin an infantry push of pike in place for their own cavalry or shock troops to engage them.
When a great empire is falling, it has to know how to fall gracefully, and nobody ever knew how to do it like the Spanish. The sunset of an empire was never so glorious .
Wish more people would take into account what you wrote. There is vastly more to this film than battles like this. Everything has style and flourishes. Great characters in the court and in the streets.
This is based on a series of novels by Arturo Perez Reverte. They could have made an adventures franchise, but choose to fit everything in just one film. I do not conect with the story in terms of script, there's not an objective, it's like looking at someone's life throug a hole in random moments. Doesn't make sense. Photography is beautiful yeah, and costume design, production design, props, art, but all that doesn't connect the viewer with the film, it needs something else. For history suckers, me included is watchable, but as a cinema sucker, it's boring asf.
Found this in Wikipedia : The soundtrack features in the scene a funeral march, La Madrugá, composed by Colonel Abel Moreno for the Holy Week of Seville, played by the band of the Infantry Regiment "Soria" No. 9, the successor of the "bloody Tercio", which participated in the battle, the oldest unit in the Spanish Army. ^That's pretty epic.
Wish they made more movies or shows set during this time period. Kind of tired of seeing knights and men at arms charging into each other into a huge mosh pit comprised of individual duels. Imagine the audiences reaction seeing the birth of early modern warfare tear down the once powerful knights and the honourable way of fighting taken over by gun powder.
Except the charging into each and fighting individual dules during a battle rarely (if it ever did) happened. Even during the Middle Ages soldiers still fought in formations, just at a closer range than the pikemen here. Also knights would usually charge the enemy lines then retreat to get new lances, not stay and fight with swords as you see in movies.
The knight and men at arms with the individual duelling is kind of a fantasy that a lot of medieval and ancient Hollywood films have done a lot of. In real life, the armies were more organised and actually used tactics
"España mi natura, Italia mi ventura, Flandes mi sepultura". "Spain my nature, Italy my fortune, Flanders my grave". This is how the soldiers of the Tercios defined themselves
I have renewed respect for the production of this scene. After seeing so many over-the-top "historical" movies relying on CGI, this is battle scene is a breath of fresh air.
The ambientation and costume of this film is just flawless, no joke that many of the material used comes from weaponry museums as original weapons of the time. Also the garments are very accurate. I think of historical movies this is a masterpiece for relatively low budget production. Also it is quite impressive for Viggo Mortensen play a role in Spanish. This aged so well, just so hyped that this film exists so well adapted
Let's be honest. First of all this is a movie based on a historical NOVEL (which has nothing historical about it). The costumes: Poop colored filter, The cuts of the clothes wrong (And I mean clothing arrangements), the waists wrong, the shirts wrong, the shoes wrong, the hats huge for some reason and the weapons anachronistic for some periods. A stopped clock marks the time twice a day. Here not even the case. In this film it's as if the will is to fail on purpose. The setting: The interiors are fine, the monuments, the streets.... (Basically because they are historical places) But.... There are a lot of mistakes. There are shots that are fine but others that are a shame. If you squint a little you get a taste of the time. But the eyes are full of dirt. This film is not accurate and the Script is a mess. It's not good dude.
@@homero_con_lechuguilla 😂😂😂😂😂😂 eres patético, me cae muy mal el autor de la novela, por fascista, pero película es de lo mejor que vi en toda mi vida, superando con creces, salvo rara excepción a la mayoría de superproducciones americanas y del mundo en general, que parte de la palabra novela ni entiendes???😂😂😂😂😂 patético
You can’t help but feel the deepest admiration for those men who fought and died in battles like this. They literally knew they were outgunned and outnumbered, but stayed and fought. Courage, indeed the highest form of bravery.
In this battle, the Spanish were neither outgunned nor outnumbered but outmaneuvered by bold French cavalry led by none other than their fearless general Louis de Condé. He was truly brave for leading the cavalry charge himself instead of staying back and observing the battlefield as most generals of his time did, including the Spanish one in this battle. The Spanish had both a little more musketeers and cannons than the French and a little less cavalry but their commander was indecisive and chose to hold ground since he had more guns and let the French surround, flank and rout all of their Tercio formations. The French were especially brave during this battle, charging into cannon and musket fire. Unfortunate that this movie did not depict the key outmaneuvering that led to the French victory, choosing instead to portray the Spanish as outgunned and outnumbered. If anything, the Spanish had both more troops and more guns.
@@tarmynastyr you missed the point. At this stage of the battle, as depicted, the imperial forces already fled the battlefield. So in fact, the remaining Spanish tercio was outnumbered and outgunned. Yet they chose to stay and fight.Additionally, all men, irrespective for which king they fought, were brave.
People will say this about any country but never about France despite having a milenia track record of fighting tenaciously outnumbered and against all odds
@@tbuxt3992 because the French are opportunistic chauvinist traitors... who certainly have many victories, but many stabs in the back too! Backstabs especially aimed at Spain... (The treachury of the French during the 30 years war and the Napoleonic wars, Francois 1st captured at the battle of Pavia by Carlos Quinto and who lies to stay alive and flee Like a rat After that , etc etc...) Never believe a frenchman
and a primary enforcer of massed line infantry tactic ,except tercios lacked fast movement, which was much improved by the Prince Eugene of Savoy, and made into a much greater strength following the first world war before ww1 aka seven years war .
Yeah, they did a pretty good job on portraying the push of pikes, often commanders would not recommend it if it could be helped, since the pushed of pikes was so deadly for both sides it becomes a battle of attrition.
Reading the book there was a description of a regiment retreating from battle not running but walking out in good order and managed to get away from battle. Alatriste's comment was something like " we were to tired to run."
I can explain this to you if you ever read it: In that battle. There were 3 spanish tercios. The rest of the troops were german and italian. Both italians and germans fleed for their lifes with no order. More than 7000 were killed just in front of the spanish tercios. At that moment, the french offered a deal to the spanish tercios. To keep their weapons and flags and just march away from battle. They all refused. French resumed the charges and lost many people. By that time, the spanish had already used most of their gunpowder. French asked again. 2 of the tercios accepted the deal and just retreated in formation. Another tercio refused (this is the one in the movie) and stayed. People from the other 2 tercios who accepted the deal, but didnt want to retreat, just joined this remaining tercio. ANd then the battle continued until they finally accepted the deal and went their way in formation. This is what the movie portraits, the last guys on the battlefield after the germans and italians fleed and the other 2 tercios just left the battlefield with honors.
@@Trikipum that just the italians and the germans escaped is a bit of a urban legend, read the book: The Road to Rocroi: Class, Culture and Command in the Spanish Army of Flanders, and in several other books, even the tercios that resisted in rocroi were at the same composition of the others, so around 30% spanish and the rest to be devided between italians, germans, wallons, austrians and portuguese. the formation that survived with low losses were the cavalry and artillery, while the infantry had between 2 to 8000 losses distributed evenly between the tercios there present
The way La Madruga started playing at the realization they were doomed but remained unwilling to just give up helped nail this as one of the most powerful cinematic moments I've ever seen.
Los temibles tercios españoles, la infantería más poderosa de su tiempo, dominaron los campos de batalla europeos durante más de siglo y medio. Saludos desde México, viva la hispanidad!!
We were...and still we got that blood inside us....as soon we throught away the CriminL Genocide Socialcommunist Crap from the country we' ll be Great again....We Are Spanish and that means a lot !!!!
Para que ninguém diga que um Espanhol morre sem honra. Rocroi 1643, foi o fim da invencibilidade dos Terços. Como Português e com raízes Espanholas, ninguém tenha dúvidas da coragem dos soldados ibéricos, a história prova-o e, se for necessário, estaremos aí de novo. Um abraço aos nossos irmãos.
Proud of our heritage! Spanish native regiments were always granted frontline positions in the Royal Armies, as they were the most reliable troops of the empire. Always first to fight, never retreated from battlefield. Santiago y Cierra España!
During the Thirty Years' War, decisive victory of the Kingdom of France over the armies of Spanish Flanders. For the first time in Europe, the invincible army of Spanish pikemen is defeated. The French cavalry crushes it.
I appreciated the balance of discipline and brutality they showed here. War of the time was certainly not glorious but it certainly wasn't just a random mosh pit of gore either.
French Wikipedia about Rocroi battle. This is de version of the winners: "(...) La victoire était alors certaine mais encore incomplète: au centre de cette plaine jonchée de morts et parcourue en tous sens par les fuyards, un gros bataillon espagnol reste immobile. C'est le noyau dur de cette armée. Ils sont quatre mille cinq cents vieux soldats, sous les ordres d'un général presque septuagénaire perclus de douleurs mais d'une indomptable énergie, Paul-Bernard de Fontaine qui se fait porter en fauteuil à la tête de ses troupes. Les Espagnols nommaient le comte de Fontaine, Fuentes. Son fauteuil est conservé aux Invalides à Paris". Translation : "(...) The victory was then certain but still incomplete: in the center of this plain strewn with dead and traversed in all directions by the fugitives, a large Spanish battalion remains motionless. It is the hard core of this army. They are four thousand five hundred old soldiers, under the orders of a general almost septuagenarian crippled of pain but of an indomitable energy, Paul-Bernard de Fontaine who is carried in armchair at the head of his troops. The Spaniards named the Comte de Fontaine, Fuentes. His chair is kept at the Invalides in Paris". Traducción: "(...) La victoria era entonces segura pero todavía incompleta: en el centro de esta llanura sembrada de muertos y atravesada en todas direcciones por los fugitivos, permanece inmóvil un gran batallón español. Es el núcleo duro de este ejército. Son cuatro mil quinientos viejos soldados, a las órdenes de un general casi septuagenario lisiado de dolor pero de una energía indomable, Paul-Bernard de Fontaine que se lleva en sillón al frente de sus tropas. Los españoles llamaron Fuentes al conde de la Fontaine. Su sillón se conserva en los Inválidos de París.
This is my favorite period of military history. The military revolution that took place in the 16th and 17th centuries. I love the "pike and shotte" tactics. It was also a period characterized by "wars of religion." The Battle of Rocroi was a part of "the Thirty Years War." It was the last of the so called "wars of religion."
@@Black_Nut_Cryso Rocroi was a battle not a war. And it was a very late battle (May 19, 1643) in the Thirty Years War (1618-1648). The Thirty Years War started out as a "war of religion" (Catholic versus Protestant) but eventually became less religiously motivated by the time of the Battle of Rocroi. By that time it was less Catholic versus Protestant and more of a war to contest the Hapsburg hegemony over Europe. The Thirty Years War was the last of the "Wars of Religion." The Treaty of Westphalia (October 1648) ended the Thirty Years War as well as "the Wars of Religion." Plus France wasn't totally Roman Catholic at that time. Large Protestant populations (called "Huguenots") existed in several cities and towns in southern France. The French army during the Thirty Years War consisted of Catholic regiments and Protestant regiments. Plus the first King of the Bourbon dynasty, Henry IV, was Protestant and led Protestant French forces against Counter Reformation Catholic forces in the French Wars of Religion (1562-1598) which were essentially a series of civil wars between Protestants and Catholics in France. Eventually, Henry IV converted to Catholicism and ended these religious civil wars and gave religious rights to Protestants in France (in the Edict of Nantes). So there was a bond between the Bourbon dynasty and the Protestants of France (the Huguenots) that didn't end until Louis XIV revoked the Edict of Nantes in 1689.
I'm French, but I really liked this film! It represents Spanish pride well. Especially at that time when Spain was one of the most powerful nations (if it was not the most powerful)
Thank you! I really admire France during Louis XIII's and Louis XIV's times. We were great enemies and I'm glad now we are friends. Greetings from Spain
It was the most powerfull in the late XV century, the whole XVI and first half of the XVII *Castile* was heavyy stuff in the middle ages so Spain was, for a few centuries, despite the arrival of foreign king and changes in the court, the infintie wars around the new and old possesions in Europe, and the New World. France was a titan but had no possesions outside his mainland neither discoveries, only go agaisnt anyone and the most important: allied with the *ottomans* .
@@mathieuvigne7336 neither of that, french Canada (17th century) and french Louisiana (second half of 18th century and with a Bourbon in the throne of Spain) were possessions with little extension and penetration in the territory. Apart from the principal settlements in the north east and New Orleans, it was expeditionary more than anything else. The pack of 8 tiny little Caribbean islans that France finally owned were (of course) stolen from the Spanish Empire who had very little interest in them, without any fight with Spain, and also latter on in the 17th and 18th centuries.
They shout: "España" As far as i know, not really sure... the spanish tercios moved in abosolut silence and only when they engaged combat, like in the movie, they were allowed to shout: "España" or "Santiago y cierra" (Santiago is the apostol patron of Spain and "cierra" actually means "to close, in imperativ mode = CLOSE the door" but at that times it also meant "to engage, to attack".
@@samuelperezgarcia Not really. The result of the battle of Rocroi was a shift in european power balance. Combined with the dislocation of the Holy Roman Empire which was, like Spain, under Habsbourg domination, it marked the end of the spanish century and the beginning of the french century. France replaced Spain as the dominant continental power
Nosé si le pasa a algún hispano más, pero el sentimiento de que estos hombres en muchos casos ancestros nuestros dieron todo por la Patria, me hace saltar las lágrimas( sobre todo en la escena de la despedida de Diego y Sebastián) y repensar si España e HispanoAmerica debería seguir desunidas. Ambos lados tenemos ancestros españoles y ancestros que aún no siendolos lucharon por España, sin importar el Rey ( no desmereciendolo).
Lo mejor es su ultima mirada al sol y sl horizonte …. Pero luego de eso como buen Español aun sabiéndose muerto aun intenta volver a su sitio en el tercio y cae y muere …. Que mejor muestra de nuestra gran infantería!!!!
I absolutely love this scene. The scrimmage with pikes, musketeers operating like clockwork before the Tercio, the conflict between the waning superiority of cavalry and the rise of the infantryman. It looks messy, sloppy, and confusing like a battle should be.
hmm, cavalry had not truly waned, more like morphed and changed. In fact here, they seem to go much too close to the tercio, whereas the tactic of the time would have been to harass them with fire, and only charge units that were dispersed
@@Kamfrenchieyep. Calvery at this time was no longer as incredibly dominant as it had been, but the invention of wheel locks and carbines made them into extremely effective mobile fire platforms
The Spanish Tercios was one of the most Brave Troops in History. In the end of Real battle of Rocroi the French allowed Spain to march out the battlefield with all His Flags. Signal of Respect and Honor to this legends of bravery..
The Spanish Tercios constituted a multinational strike force unparalleled in its day. In addition to fighting, they also carried out garrison, escort, fortification and demolition tasks. Its soldiers, long featured the best infantry in the world, were not defeated in the open field until Rocroi, more than a hundred years after its creation. But the defeat at Rocroi was not as overwhelming as French propaganda has led to believe, as the Spanish Tercios recovered Rocroi and continued fighting in Flanders during the second half of the 17th century. PLUS ULTRA
While Rocroi was not the literal end of the Tercios, it was symbolically. After this campaign, the Tercio system would steadily adapt into the French-type line formation of infantry as pike-squares were no longer viable. As for "French propaganda", lets just say it shows the attitude of a nation when they decide to portray their defeated enemies as valiant, gallant warriors.
@@hannibalburgers477 your comment reminds me how far down in the gutter we are going as a society. Restrictions or not, there arent many movies worth watching now a day
@@SIGNOR-G His comment makes perfect sense. Society isn't going down into the gutter, but if you want to build an aqueduct you have to roll up your sleeves and look up.
Admiración, solo admiración por los Tercios de España, una infantería tan efectiva como no veía el mundo desde las legiones romanas (y como seguramente no volvió a verse jamás). Mis respetos desde La Muy Fiel y Reconquistadora Ciudad de San Felipe y Santiago de Montevideo. Viva España!
@@florentinoramirez2257 Y sin embargo dio el mismo coraje y valor que cada tercio, sobre todo en aquella tragedia en Belgica donde fueron destruidos por fuego de cañon tal como los tercios que vemos aqui. No lo podemos negar. Ambos pueblos somos latinos. Saludos desde México.
For those that are curious or simply don't know, the piece of music that plays from 10:29 until the end is named "La Madrugá". It is a funeral march, composed to be performed during Holy Week's "Pasos". This particular one is dedicated to "Cristo del gran Calvario" brotherhood, one od the many cofradies in Seville, Spain. I find this piece very fitting as it represents both the suffering of this tercio and the cultural background of its members. The sort of "Passion" that trails a direct analogy with Christian Catholic tradition as in the images convey a similar feeling to that of the passage where Jesus drags the cross, commonly refered to as "The Passion". I happen to have played this piece of music in one of the many bands that come with the parades in Holy Week, and it was marvellous to hear this piece being put to great use.
@@morriganravenchild6613 However, the film shows the last moments of the battle after the cavalry had been dispersed or withdrawn, the guns run out of ammunition and only two tercios there were five originally decided to stay and face the french. The battle lasted for nearly seven hours and it swang one way and the other but the reinforcements that the spanish marshall was expecting did never arrive.
Is it really Viggo Mortensen there? I thought i was the only one who thinks he looks like that Nevermind, watched further, there is just no doubt of the man :D
J’adore ce film. Rocroy marque la fin d’une époque glorieuse où les tiercos étaient la terreur des champs de bataille. Alatriste est un personnage vraiment bien écrit !
Sin duda,Iberia jamás volvió a ser tan gloriosa y brava desde que ambas naciones tomaron sus caminos por azares del destino.Pero ahi esta nuestra historia para recordarnoslo y nos hará falta saber para lo que viene.
A história de Portugal devia ser mais conhecida, aqui no Brasil tem uma produtora de documentários de direita chamada Brasil Paralelo que fez o documentário a Última Cruzada, contando a história de Portugal e a verdadeira do Brasil, pois a esquerda aqui sempre gostou de retratar os portugueses e a história brasileira de forma a menosprezar os portugueses e a história do Brasil. Combatendo a ignorância e a mentira.
En colombia todos sienten un odio hacia la hispanidad y de lo que habita de ella en nos, muy pocos sentimos vibrar la sangre viendo escenas cómo estás... una leyenda oscura y difundida trata de opacar esa gloria, esa valentía de aquellos hombres que defendieron una idea y conquistaron el mundo... Dios quisiera despertara esa memoria en la sangre y depurara la inmundicia a la que nos ha arrojado la falta de memoria
Qué idea? Morir por un rey al que le importas un ardite? Si de eso va Alatriste. Es decir, sobretodo los libros. El pobre soldado va a la guerra y el noble se lo pasa teta en su mansión. Nada nuevo bajo el sol. Estamos bien, si eso es una idea por la que morir hoy en día.
Gracias de corazón, por tu rigor histórico, tu honor, tu empatía hacia tus hermanos españoles. Un saludo, feliz año y suerte en la Vida. Desde Alcalá de Henares, tierras cervantinas, Madrid, España.
@@psameticoIII eso lo ve un ser producto de esta triste realidad... morir por un rey, morir por un imperio.. solo el que entiende por qué vivían y morian ... por españa, por roma, por él sentido de una realidad trascendente de la cual nosotros seres de la democracia nunca visualizaremos ... ud moriria de amor por la mujer de sus sueños?!? Ud moriria por darle lo mejor a sus hijos?!? Ud moriria por alguna razón digna? O solo vive en la miasma de esta era
@@carlosteran5617 y cómo no sentir empatia por todo lo que la hispanidad significa “lo que nunca debió dejar de ser” el imperio donde nunca se ponía el sol... sin conocerle o haberle nunca visto compartimos el mismo espíritu y en esa estima somos hermanos
Estaban entrenados matando a musulmanes durante 800 años en la reconquista desde Asturias, y sus ancestros resistieron 200 años a los romanos. España siempre ha sido guerrera, por esto en la época actual intentan desunirla más desde muchos países, sobre todos anglosajones. El día que el país se una, volverá a ser temida a la vez que respetada.
During the Thirty Years' War, decisive victory of the Kingdom of France over the armies of Spanish Flanders. For the first time in Europe, the invincible army of Spanish pikemen is defeated. The French cavalry crushes it.
@@fredericvolatil8910 so what? Every great army has its time of glory and fall, including the French one. That doesn't stop us from admiring his performance in history.
Greetings from Ukraine! 🇺🇦🇪🇸 Spanish history is so rich and magnificent! It is a shame that because of the "black legend" Spain and its incredible achievements were shunned by the rest of Europe for so long. Spanish Tercios were a truly ingenious and formidable military formations, a true juggernaut that rolled over its enemies for many decades and brave Spanish warriors were true gods of war of their time! Let the Cross of Burgundy flag fly forever! Be proud, Spain! Greetings from Ukraine 🇺🇦🇪🇸!
Shame while there is certainly a level of truth to it Spain is by no means More Evil Compared to its other Imperial Contemporaties, they were no saints and have done a lot of regretable stuff but that doesn't mean they are uniquely bad for the Periods the Rule compared to other European Empires and Empires in general. (The Spanish even have a Controversy about the treatment of Natives in Latin America because of the Encomiendas so they weren't as Evil as the Legends makes them out to be but also this lead to another for of Forced Labour and the practice of Encomiendas Would still continue in New Spain, Peru and the Philippines but still the Controversy did make the Spanish Empire reconsider some of their Actions.)
The fact that you as a Ukrainian can praise the soldiers of an at the time colonial power while your own sovereign nation is being invaded by a Russia asking itself "Remember the good old days when we had an empire and we could step on people with impunity? Good times."
At the time, Heavy Cavalry rule the battlefied, which lead to the Pike formation being use & very popular among all army, and mercenaries group. While fire-arms weapon are slowly rise in the battlefield, there accuracy still very low, short effective range & rate-of-fire are too long, most army still favor Cavalry to destroyed range troops, artillery & out-flank enemy line, then Pike-men to stop the Cavalry charge ( which why plate armor still being use, while knights & horse-men equipped with pistol to counter the pike-men, it was in late Medieval & early Renaissance after all so lots new tactics being develop with medieval technology around ).
Fox Blue Heavy cavalry ruled the battlefield? Are you serious? The pike and shot tactics were developed during the Italian wars by the Spaniards,to fight against French heavy cavalry specifically,so no
@@su_morenito_1948 you didn't understand my points yet, i was talk about the dominated of Heavy Cavalry since "medieval" time, was the reason let to the development of the Pike formation later on. You we're "half" right about the Spanish Tercio: it was developed to counter "both" the French Heavy Cavalry & the Swiss mercenary Pike formation, also the German Landsneckts. Because both of them we're dominating the Battlefield, and were unstoppable when use together, as the French did in the video. Yes, the Pike & Shot tactics was one of the most effective formation, but not undefeated. The pike line may stop the charging horse, but the Carvaly itself still a very powerful unit, especially the French Cavalry. You have to know in "the Battle of Rocroi", it was the French knight & horse-men that defeated the Spanish cavalry & other infangry on the flank, then eliminated there artillery line and left 5 out of 8 Tercio unit alone ( 3 Tercio was already fallen with others troops ). What happened next was show in the video: after 8 hours of fighting, only 2 Tercio unit still standing against the French army, being bombardment by both French & captured Spanish cannons earlier ( which show the weakness of the Pike & Shot tactics - against artillery, and musket line formation some hundred years later ). The Spanish we're surrounded, over-numbered by Knight & Pike-men, fought bravery against all attacks & event refused an honorable surrender.
"... but this is a spanish tercio". No more words needed, no further explanation required. Its was just simply unconcievable for a spanish tercio to surrender, no matter how favourable were the terms.
I usually have some kind of criticism for battle scenes, but this seemed to fairly represent what I'd imagine real combat, pikes, and cannons would be like.
The fight against the Moors made Spain unstoppable in its momentum for several centuries, removing the Turk from the work in Lepanto and Malta, in the third islands the French, to unify Portugal, the English too, but in the end like a lion harassed by hyenas Their Empire fell like so many others, not without leaving their mark on Latin America, which without a doubt when they know or want to, they will have to lead a new union in Hispanidad. Regarding the film, despite good moments it fails to capture Alatriste's literary saga, it would have been enough for several films.
As a Peruvian, it's my personal opinion not so common here, but I'm also proud of my former compatriots of the Spanish Empire. This movie not only represent the bravery of the Spanish Tercios, but also the cohesion of the Empire, obviously imperfect, but far more advanced than any other in that time: Many citizens of outer territories of the empire were treated as "equals" even in Madrid, just like Malatesta, Italian but also Spanish in that time. A lot of Peruvians got high ranks in both military and politic charges, and many of them fought in the Tercios in Netherlands, Italy, North America and the Caribbean (there were even Peruvian Viceroys in charge of the Viceroyalty of Nueva España). Everything was far from perfect for non-iberical Spanishmen, but it was far better that anything the British, French of Germans could ever settle for their colonies and their very well known genocides. Beautiful movie. From Peru, Former Viceroyalty of Peru, Former province of the Spanish Empire. Peru was not from Spain, Peru was Spain.
@@koeh07 That's not true. "Tercios de Arauco" (Chile) its a clear example of that. And Peru had the"Ejercito Real del Perú" even a higher rank of division., with 95% peruvian-born soldiers.
@p R tienes toda la razón, en Francia pasa lo mismo. Ya no hay honor, moral patriotismo nada. Hay poco tiempo se sacrifico 2 soldados por un par de putos inconscientes . no el mundo va al fracaso, mi amigo. saludos
@@alainguillem7795 Falso: acabo en las Dunas de 1658 frente a un ejercito anglofrances. En 1656 derrotaron a los franceses en Valenciennes por ejemplo.
"Dígale que le agradezco sus palabras, pero esto es un Tercio Español." Nosotros NUNCA nos rendimos, preferimos morir, la muerte es sólo un paso. VIVA ESPAÑA HOSTIAS!!!!.
These fuckers had everything. Guns, horses, guns on horses, cannons, spears, hand to hand combat, etc. must’ve been hard to create a battle plan with this many options
I have wanted to watch this movie, but it is only in Spanish with English subtitles. I have been studying Spanish for the last 2 months, so maybe I am ready???? Hahahaha! The battle scene is one of the few that even attempts at realism. No exploding canon balls, fairly accurate portrayal of how cavalry was used in the day -- the caracole where the cavalry charged in quickly and fired the many pistols or carbines into the infantry at more or less point blank range, and then wheeled away to reload (they missed the wheeling away to reload but this was a very difficult and complicated maneuver to pull off). And the joining of the pike blocks in battle. Terrifying. Many Spanish Tercios were known to have died to the last man before surrendering the field even under honorable terms.
¡Saludos desde Ucrania! 🇺🇦🇪🇸 ¡La historia de España es tan rica y magnífica! Los tercios españoles fueron formaciones militares verdaderamente ingeniosas y formidables, un verdadero monstruo que aplastó a sus enemigos durante muchas décadas y los valientes guerreros españoles fueron verdaderos dioses de la guerra de su tiempo. ¡Que la bandera de la Cruz de Borgoña ondee para siempre! ¡Siéntete orgullosa, España! Saludos desde Ucrania 🇺🇦🇪🇸!
LOS Españoles tenemos mucha sangre de Ucrania, desde los YAmma , Hasta los scyitas, Cimmerios (Gomeros) y TAuridos de Crimea. Los Celtas españoles vinieron originariamente de ahi. Tambien hay descendencia del Rus de KIev en el norte de España, Guipuzcoa (San Sebastian) y Navarra, , yo mismo desciendo de Volodimir I y Jaroslaw el Sabio. Slava Ukraine Ucrania no se rinde
@@diegoapalategui579 Ну як що испанський генерал ФрАнко і український писменник Іван ФранкО мають одне призвище, а іспанська провінція Галісія та українська область Галичина мають одну назву, то чого б і ні ....? Тавро-скіфи та сармати де тільки не були, тому не дивно що всі люди брати поміж собою )))
Тільки треба додати до солдатів в іспанських військових моряків та флот. Цілі покоління пасіонарних ідальго та кабальеро відправились за обрії по пригоди та золото, але дуже не багато з них повернулось додому Так Іспанія загубила на чужих шляхах свою долю ,що робе їх схожими на наших козарлюг запорожців.
It had to be really nerve wrecking when you see your enemy crawling under you with a dagger while you and your friends are trying your best not to drop the pike and lose cohesive formation.
Spain was the most powerful empire in the world. in its best moments they fight against, Netherland, France , Sweden, England, North Africa Arabic, Japanese samurais in Asia, native Indians in its American colonies, Etc and stop the powerful Turkish army in Lepanto battle. most of the time these tercios fought with disadvantages in numbers against their enemies.
Lol they outnumbered french soldiers in this battle and they still lost. 🤷♂️ 24 000 french soldiers against 27 000 spanish (5 spanish tercios, 3 italian tercios, 5 wallonia regiment, 5 german regiment and 2 flemish regiment)
I do adore the way warfare is depicted in this film. Something in my brain laments how... restrictive the way the shots look to me? I think what happened was that the production crew simply didn't have the budget to match the scope of the battle - which I absolutely get and I do appreciate them trying to still capture Rocroi.
"¡¡¡¡CIERRA ESPAÑA!!!!" That was the war cry. It comes from the old days fighting the yihad during the Reconquista. "¡¡Santiago y cierra España!!", was the motto. And the Tercios inherited it.
2:30 Wirklich gut gemachte Szene. Kein hirnloses "Ineinander-hinein-Rennen" wie in vielen Historien-Filmen, sondern ein langsames Vorrücken - jeder versucht, den gegnerischen Piken-Spitzen auszuweichen und seinerseits einen Feind zu erwischen. Ein paar besonders Tapfere versuchen, unter dem Wall aus Piken an den Gegner heran zu kommen. 🤔👍
Grande fu la fanteria spagnola e imperiale, che grazie al suo superbo addestramento e inquadrata nella formazione chiamata tercio (forgiata nelle guerre d'Italia) dominò per quasi 2 secoli i campi di battaglia di tutta Europa vincendo folgoranti e spettacolari battaglie, come ad esempio nel 1634 a Nordlingen. In questa occasione i tercios viejos di Napoli e Milano, tutti formati da formidabili veterani, grazie a una magistrale azione difensiva riuscirono, nonostante fossero sottoposti a un intenso bombardamento da parte dell'artiglieria svedese, a respingere ben 15 cariche combinate di fanteria e cavalleria svedese. Le perdite degli attaccanti furono spaventose, e in un secondo momento i tercios lanciarono un veemente contrattacco che distrusse totalmente l'esercito avversario. I tercios non erano affatto inferiori alle formazioni "in linea" protestanti (svedesi, sassoni e olandesi) anzi erano di gran lunga superiori a queste perché gli ufficiali imperiali e spagnoli modificarono la disposizione degli escuadron dei picchieri in modo da rendere mobilissime le unità dei moschettieri tale da ottenere sempre una superiorità di fuoco rispetto agli avversari. Gustavo ll Adolfo Vasa se ne accorse tardi a Lutzen nel 1632. Sbaglio' la carica di cavalleria e venne colpito 2 volte da palle di moschetto e poi infilzato dalle picche. In questa battaglia vennero annientati i migliori reggimenti di fanteria svedesi, solo che von Wallenstein comandante supremo degli imperiali non volle contrattaccare e così si lasciò sfuggire una travolgente vittoria. Gustavo Adolfo fu un buon generale ma non un "fulmine di guerra" come ci racconta la faziosa propaganda protestante. I tercios combatterono anche come fanteria di mare. Nel 1571 a Lepanto furono imbarcati sulla nave ammiraglia cristiana 400 elementi sceltissimi appartenenti al tercio di Sardegna, ottimi tiratori e maestri indiscussi nell'utilizzo della picca, spada e daga, arrembarono furiosamente l'ammiraglia ottomana uccidendo il comandante supremo della flotta avversaria.
@@ernstschloss8794 Yes, you are right, in the traditional division of history into three eras: Ancient, Medieval, and Modern, everything from the 15th or 16th century down to the present is considered 'modern'. However, from the mid-twentieth century onwards, the 'Modern' era has often been defined as starting in the late 18th century. Under this classification scheme the period depicted here is 'Early Modern', which spans from the 1400s to the late 1700s.
@@filipselakovic9768 Agreed my friend. Also, it's common from everything from beyong the late 19th Century to fall under the "Contemporary" period, but I guess We'll see that change again within the spam of our lifetime.
How fascinating to see that despite a viceral hatred between our two countries (France and Spain) for centuries, today Spanish Cinema respect much more it's neighbor than english/american does. When they produce an absolute garbage on Agincourt battle spanish produce this, whith a bit of "romance" but far more accurate and respectful.
it's not "tell them of our exploits", what he is asking from Iñigo is "tell them what we were" as in how they endured their service and lived their lives, which is a callback to the fact that Iñigo is the narrator of the novels.
raça de conquistadores, o sangue mais foda que existe nessa terra , Orgulho de descender de valentes e violentos guerreiros que não se deixaram governar!
They yelled "¡¡¡CIERRA ESPAÑA!!!", that was the war cry. An old motto from the Reconquista, "¡¡¡SANTIAGO Y CIERRA ESPAÑA!!!". Los tercios inherited it.
Thats literrally false. Technology is what made this fights posible. We tend to link the word technology with 21th century things, which is no true. How where the cannons invented? Why they choose to fight in pike formations with heavier breastplates than 15th century knights? Because of technology
Awesome scene. I can't believe how unique, at least in my mind, that pikemen duel was. I've so rarely seen that period in battle scenes, and I can't believe how unusual it was to see brave/mental men scampering across the ground to dagger each other beneath a ceiling of pikes.
@WILLIAM EWART GLADSTONE En realidad es al revés, los franceses estaban invadiendo a España, pues los franceses financiaron a los rebeldes neerlandeses, véase como los descarados gabachos le quitaron a España Lila y Cálesis, el franco condado, y la conquista más descarada; Perpiñan.
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Cannon behaving like cannon, solid iron cannon balls not behaving like mini-nukes packed with napalm, cavalry behaving like cavalry when confronted by an infantry square and a push of pike that actually looks like a push of pike. Damn! This director deserves an Oscar
Maybe the Golden Palm at the Caen Film Festival.
At this point I'm convinced that Oscars aren't for good movies, but are just a mark for bad movies that check the right boxes of diversity and emotional blackmailing, or the usual ass kissing.
@@milkhoney1631 Also true. I still think he deserves some sort of award though. One for good film making.
@@milkhoney1631Too fuckin right
I know the cannons had recoil 😄
This was amazingly accurate. The cavalry attacked correctly, and broke away when confronted with pikes. The push of pike was excellent, and not something you usually see in a movie. The outfits looked great and they where using period appropriate firearms and armor! Whoever put that much detail in this deserves a raise, they went all out.
Check out the Samurai flick "Heaven and Earth". It has big battle formations of horse and pikemen.
We need a movie about the Ultra Badass Swiss Pikemen
Nonsense. This is full of mistakes.
Useless BS.
Disgusting.
I don't know what's more terrifying, standing still while a barrage of canons come at you, or slowly walking into the enemy with their pikes pointed at you.
The had an especial march for that you can still see it in the modern spanish legion that was tge way they approached to the enemy when they were in combat, some called a gay marching style when it was the most terrifying thing you could see if you were an infantery soldier marching at a slower speed
horrible. It's so important not to lose cohesion, but at the same time, this makes you a very easy target for cannons. They will rip through your formation as a sword ripps through paper.
Renaissance Europe: Why not both?!
The Disney woke have made mincemeat of the canons, and they are nothing more than hooligan pansies, so I would think the pikes would be more of a threat.
I'd rather just get misted by a cannon instantly instead of bleeding out to a pike wound.
This makes Napoleon's movie like a 5th grade's project.
Yep.
That newer one, right?
@@arklaw8306yes
And The movie is old. The sad part is the rich culture and history that Spain has and we don’t make movies about it (and the ones we make are shit)
@@rodrigolosadagutierrez923 man having destroyed the rest of the world for a couple of centuries for your economic benefit hardly qualify as culture
as a child I wanted to look like the hero of a western, as a teenager I wanted to look like the heroes of Marvel, as an adult I want to look like Captain Alatriste from this marvelous film that I have seen and seen again.
These guys have always been better than marvel hero’s.
They had so much more to lose and still went to war. They were always my hero’s.
Non-CGI battles are so great even if we are just watching smaller skirmishes. The bodies have mass...not just a computer generated "flood". The costumes, the weapons..just fantastic!
And the sound, all that rattling of metal and wood, footsteps, you can even hear the dust.
This are also as well very expensive though
It's the second most expensive Spanish film ever made
Excellent points.
If I may add something. In real life, there are all sorts of accidents or oddities to physical objects. Things fall apart or need repair at the weirdest of times. The result is naturalistic.
That's why more movies should use the approach that Lord of the Rings and Troy(2004) used. Namely, have live action fighting in the foreground and cgi models fighting in the background to make the battle look bigger. It's the best of both worlds in my opinion.
Makes sense that Aragorn would join the Spanish Tercios, one of the greatest infantry forces in European history. One third swordsman, one third riflemen, one third pikemen.
European history? 😛 The five continents have an spanish grave. With a sword inside.
By this point in the history of the Tercio, there were significantly more musketeers than swordmen or pikemen
@Александр This is the "last hours" of the Tercio of Cartagena in Rocroi, so is accurate.
The germans and italians fled, with the cavalry and the cannon were lost, but the veterans of the tercio(spaniards) refuse to surrender.
Not as much so that the Tercios were brutal savages who brutalized germany.
He's truly found himself a home.
Darn, this was a good depiction of a tercio in battle. Even the dreaded 'Push of Pike' was included...and well done.
man being in the front rank of a pike formation vs pike formation fight would suck!
puppy fresh yeah but you'd usually get double pay or you would've a fresh recruit. So your life could either be better or worse
This battle gives me a historyboner.
That fucking pike square...
That skirmish phase...
That Push of Pike...
Damn, that brutally glorious hand to hand...
Mmm... she thicc tho...
Dat plumage...
Dat armor...
Yeah, she thicc...
Agnarr Salventius dude wtf is wrong with you. You can like it but don't glorify it, people would massacre each other in the push of pikes that's not poetic that's loss of human life
Actually, no. Pikemen were never considered doppelsoldner in any Renaissance army. The privilege was afforded to veterans with actual combat skills. These were usually skirmishers such as arquebusiers and crossbowmen in the two wings or four "sleeves" (mangas) of the square (which were in front of the pikemen when they turned to face outward). Or they were the shock troops, such as halberdiers, swashbucklers, and great-swordsmen, who remained in the center of the square to respond to attacks on any side. These guys did the most actual fighting and thus, suffered the brunt of the casualties. (Alatriste and his ward are both arquebusiers.)
As for pikemen, whether or not you end up "in front" is a roll of the dice. This is because the fighting could happen on any side of the square. Their job was really to serve as a human wall to stop a cavalry charge from breaking the square or pin an infantry push of pike in place for their own cavalry or shock troops to engage them.
HEY...cannons that actually move back when fired...
yeah but they don't understand that cannon don't issue splash damage lol
@@anguswilson1619 You can think they are hurt by wood splinters from pikes getting destroyed by the shots. Or even bone. Who knows.
@@anguswilson1619 I mean, if the soil is rocky, the rocks might might them
There were explosive shells 300 years before the battle. This guys is an idiot ignore him.
jondonwayne wayne
This was 140 years before Napoleon
When a great empire is falling, it has to know how to fall gracefully, and nobody ever knew how to do it like the Spanish.
The sunset of an empire was never so glorious .
glorious words, poetry
Even the rebellions against the Spanish crown was also glorious in a way . But yeah Only Spain did that.
Yes. Cervantes told us all about how "glorious" it was.
@@NEY-uu3lx Spain's decline was accelerated by the Napoleonic wars. It had been in decline since at least the Thirty Years' War.
@@NEY-uu3lx Spain decline was when the last Austria died
duke of enghien: how many were you?
a spanish survivor: count the dead
The cinematography in this movie is amazing. Every single shot looks like a Renaissance painting brought to life, and many of them actually *are.*
Wish more people would take into account what you wrote. There is vastly more to this film than battles like this. Everything has style and flourishes. Great characters in the court and in the streets.
This is based on a series of novels by Arturo Perez Reverte. They could have made an adventures franchise, but choose to fit everything in just one film. I do not conect with the story in terms of script, there's not an objective, it's like looking at someone's life throug a hole in random moments. Doesn't make sense. Photography is beautiful yeah, and costume design, production design, props, art, but all that doesn't connect the viewer with the film, it needs something else. For history suckers, me included is watchable, but as a cinema sucker, it's boring asf.
@@IVANGARCIA-ks4vp A for effort, C for execution, as they say
@@IVANGARCIA-ks4vpyou're an idiot
Found this in Wikipedia : The soundtrack features in the scene a funeral march, La Madrugá, composed by Colonel Abel Moreno for the Holy Week of Seville, played by the band of the Infantry Regiment "Soria" No. 9, the successor of the "bloody Tercio", which participated in the battle, the oldest unit in the Spanish Army.
^That's pretty epic.
Wish they made more movies or shows set during this time period. Kind of tired of seeing knights and men at arms charging into each other into a huge mosh pit comprised of individual duels. Imagine the audiences reaction seeing the birth of early modern warfare tear down the once powerful knights and the honourable way of fighting taken over by gun powder.
That's what happened in the Battle of Pavia
Except the charging into each and fighting individual dules during a battle rarely (if it ever did) happened. Even during the Middle Ages soldiers still fought in formations, just at a closer range than the pikemen here. Also knights would usually charge the enemy lines then retreat to get new lances, not stay and fight with swords as you see in movies.
i just want to see authentic movies.
The knight and men at arms with the individual duelling is kind of a fantasy that a lot of medieval and ancient Hollywood films have done a lot of.
In real life, the armies were more organised and actually used tactics
actually breastplates were quite strong against the bullets, breastplates were used up until the 1880s when the smokeless powder was introduced
"España mi natura, Italia mi ventura, Flandes mi sepultura". "Spain my nature, Italy my fortune, Flanders my grave". This is how the soldiers of the Tercios defined themselves
Waste of lives for a useless land
@@hiero-vh9jt
Maybe for you , not for them , fool .
I have renewed respect for the production of this scene. After seeing so many over-the-top "historical" movies relying on CGI, this is battle scene is a breath of fresh air.
The ambientation and costume of this film is just flawless, no joke that many of the material used comes from weaponry museums as original weapons of the time. Also the garments are very accurate. I think of historical movies this is a masterpiece for relatively low budget production. Also it is quite impressive for Viggo Mortensen play a role in Spanish. This aged so well, just so hyped that this film exists so well adapted
Let's be honest. First of all this is a movie based on a historical NOVEL (which has nothing historical about it).
The costumes: Poop colored filter, The cuts of the clothes wrong (And I mean clothing arrangements), the waists wrong, the shirts wrong, the shoes wrong, the hats huge for some reason and the weapons anachronistic for some periods.
A stopped clock marks the time twice a day. Here not even the case. In this film it's as if the will is to fail on purpose.
The setting: The interiors are fine, the monuments, the streets.... (Basically because they are historical places) But.... There are a lot of mistakes. There are shots that are fine but others that are a shame.
If you squint a little you get a taste of the time. But the eyes are full of dirt.
This film is not accurate and the Script is a mess. It's not good dude.
@@homero_con_lechuguilla 😂😂😂😂😂😂 eres patético, me cae muy mal el autor de la novela, por fascista, pero película es de lo mejor que vi en toda mi vida, superando con creces, salvo rara excepción a la mayoría de superproducciones americanas y del mundo en general, que parte de la palabra novela ni entiendes???😂😂😂😂😂 patético
@@homero_con_lechuguilla nerd
@@homero_con_lechuguilla nerd
One of my favorite films. I have seen it many times. Seems very real like being transported back in a time machine.
You can’t help but feel the deepest admiration for those men who fought and died in battles like this. They literally knew they were outgunned and outnumbered, but stayed and fought. Courage, indeed the highest form of bravery.
I agree!
In this battle, the Spanish were neither outgunned nor outnumbered but outmaneuvered by bold French cavalry led by none other than their fearless general Louis de Condé. He was truly brave for leading the cavalry charge himself instead of staying back and observing the battlefield as most generals of his time did, including the Spanish one in this battle.
The Spanish had both a little more musketeers and cannons than the French and a little less cavalry but their commander was indecisive and chose to hold ground since he had more guns and let the French surround, flank and rout all of their Tercio formations.
The French were especially brave during this battle, charging into cannon and musket fire.
Unfortunate that this movie did not depict the key outmaneuvering that led to the French victory, choosing instead to portray the Spanish as outgunned and outnumbered. If anything, the Spanish had both more troops and more guns.
@@tarmynastyr you missed the point. At this stage of the battle, as depicted, the imperial forces already fled the battlefield. So in fact, the remaining Spanish tercio was outnumbered and outgunned. Yet they chose to stay and fight.Additionally, all men, irrespective for which king they fought, were brave.
People will say this about any country but never about France despite having a milenia track record of fighting tenaciously outnumbered and against all odds
@@tbuxt3992 because the French are opportunistic chauvinist traitors... who certainly have many victories, but many stabs in the back too! Backstabs especially aimed at Spain... (The treachury of the French during the 30 years war and the Napoleonic wars, Francois 1st captured at the battle of Pavia by Carlos Quinto and who lies to stay alive and flee Like a rat After that , etc etc...)
Never believe a frenchman
Spanish Tercios, a formation and battle discipline that will forever be remembered.
and a primary enforcer of massed line infantry tactic ,except tercios lacked fast movement, which was much improved by the Prince Eugene of Savoy, and made into a much greater strength following the first world war before ww1 aka seven years war .
He was not the most honest man, nor the most pious. But he was brave.
The most Brave.
He was a legend
that pike battle scary
wiwied wicaksono and the fight below the pikes...wow so brutal
First I've ever actually seen two pike lines face each other in a movie I believe.
Very accurate though
@hasan veysel erol Yeah, and the sword duels are amazing two. Fast, short and very agressive.
Yeah, they did a pretty good job on portraying the push of pikes, often commanders would not recommend it if it could be helped, since the pushed of pikes was so deadly for both sides it becomes a battle of attrition.
Reading the book there was a description of a regiment retreating from battle not running but walking out in good order and managed to get away from battle. Alatriste's comment was something like " we were to tired to run."
I can explain this to you if you ever read it: In that battle. There were 3 spanish tercios. The rest of the troops were german and italian. Both italians and germans fleed for their lifes with no order. More than 7000 were killed just in front of the spanish tercios. At that moment, the french offered a deal to the spanish tercios. To keep their weapons and flags and just march away from battle. They all refused. French resumed the charges and lost many people. By that time, the spanish had already used most of their gunpowder. French asked again. 2 of the tercios accepted the deal and just retreated in formation. Another tercio refused (this is the one in the movie) and stayed. People from the other 2 tercios who accepted the deal, but didnt want to retreat, just joined this remaining tercio. ANd then the battle continued until they finally accepted the deal and went their way in formation. This is what the movie portraits, the last guys on the battlefield after the germans and italians fleed and the other 2 tercios just left the battlefield with honors.
@@Trikipum that just the italians and the germans escaped is a bit of a urban legend, read the book: The Road to Rocroi: Class, Culture and Command in the Spanish Army of Flanders, and in several other books, even the tercios that resisted in rocroi were at the same composition of the others, so around 30% spanish and the rest to be devided between italians, germans, wallons, austrians and portuguese. the formation that survived with low losses were the cavalry and artillery, while the infantry had between 2 to 8000 losses distributed evenly between the tercios there present
The way La Madruga started playing at the realization they were doomed but remained unwilling to just give up helped nail this as one of the most powerful cinematic moments I've ever seen.
Los temibles tercios españoles, la infantería más poderosa de su tiempo, dominaron los campos de batalla europeos durante más de siglo y medio. Saludos desde México, viva la hispanidad!!
Que viva!
Bravos soldados, DESPERTA FERRO!!
Y no tanto eso, cuenta tiempos más atrás cuando eran mercenarios pagados por los romanos.
Mexicans know about honor, they respect our deads at Camerone every year, they fought bravely against the US oger. Respect from France
the Spaniards were fucking badass at sea and on land....incredible victories over England and France...and these Tercios....Incredible.
Hispanic supremacy , baby
We were...and still we got that blood inside us....as soon we throught away the CriminL Genocide Socialcommunist Crap from the country we' ll be Great again....We Are Spanish and that means a lot !!!!
Rocroi was a french Victory tho
Rocroi was a French victory. France succeeded on the sea too
@@gradlon3946 And the Dutch and English.
Alatriste and Alexander have some of the most realistic movie battles I’ve ever seen.
Aslo watch Waterloo movie.
Para que ninguém diga que um Espanhol morre sem honra. Rocroi 1643, foi o fim da invencibilidade dos Terços.
Como Português e com raízes Espanholas, ninguém tenha dúvidas da coragem dos soldados ibéricos, a história prova-o e, se for necessário, estaremos aí de novo.
Um abraço aos nossos irmãos.
UN ABRAZO PARA MI HERMANO IBERICO. ALGUN DIA, VOLVEREMOS MAS FUERTES.
Os portugueses e os espanhóis são o mesmo, já que os dois venhem dos mesmos povlos e etnias
Si los ibéricos se hubieran quedado unidos la historia del mundo se escribiría en portuñol
Os ibéricos são os melhores.
(eu não sou espanhol e nem português)
@@elcostagameplays889 obrigado meu compa
Proud of our heritage!
Spanish native regiments were always granted frontline positions in the Royal Armies, as they were the most reliable troops of the empire. Always first to fight, never retreated from battlefield. Santiago y Cierra España!
You can and should be proud indeed. Spain's golden age was something different. Respect from your neighbour France !
spanish are too egoistic
You can be proud as much as I am about being French, respect and forever peace
Love Spain from Italy 🇪🇸❤️
During the Thirty Years' War, decisive victory of the Kingdom of France over the armies of Spanish Flanders. For the first time in Europe, the invincible army of Spanish pikemen is defeated. The French cavalry crushes it.
I appreciated the balance of discipline and brutality they showed here. War of the time was certainly not glorious but it certainly wasn't just a random mosh pit of gore either.
I don’t think war ever was a mosh pit. Gory , yes, chaos and no order, nah
Pikeman sees soldier next to him getting flattened by cannonball: “Never liked him much, anyway.”
He'd only mourn if the guy owed him.
A Spanish think I take revenge for the dead of my brother. Our mentality it's years ago of the British colonized countrys
One of the best battle scenes ever, in terms of realism, costumes, weapons, tactics.
French Wikipedia about Rocroi battle. This is de version of the winners:
"(...) La victoire était alors certaine mais encore incomplète: au centre de cette plaine jonchée de morts et parcourue en tous sens par les fuyards, un gros bataillon espagnol reste immobile. C'est le noyau dur de cette armée. Ils sont quatre mille cinq cents vieux soldats, sous les ordres d'un général presque septuagénaire perclus de douleurs mais d'une indomptable énergie, Paul-Bernard de Fontaine qui se fait porter en fauteuil à la tête de ses troupes. Les Espagnols nommaient le comte de Fontaine, Fuentes. Son fauteuil est conservé aux Invalides à Paris".
Translation : "(...) The victory was then certain but still incomplete: in the center of this plain strewn with dead and traversed in all directions by the fugitives, a large Spanish battalion remains motionless. It is the hard core of this army. They are four thousand five hundred old soldiers, under the orders of a general almost septuagenarian crippled of pain but of an indomitable energy, Paul-Bernard de Fontaine who is carried in armchair at the head of his troops. The Spaniards named the Comte de Fontaine, Fuentes. His chair is kept at the Invalides in Paris".
Traducción: "(...) La victoria era entonces segura pero todavía incompleta: en el centro de esta llanura sembrada de muertos y atravesada en todas direcciones por los fugitivos, permanece inmóvil un gran batallón español. Es el núcleo duro de este ejército. Son cuatro mil quinientos viejos soldados, a las órdenes de un general casi septuagenario lisiado de dolor pero de una energía indomable, Paul-Bernard de Fontaine que se lleva en sillón al frente de sus tropas. Los españoles llamaron Fuentes al conde de la Fontaine. Su sillón se conserva en los Inválidos de París.
What is wrong with this version ?
@@belis35 Nothing. I think OP is bringing attention to how the French are showing admiration towards their erstwhile opponents.
True character shows itself not in victory but in defeat.
Hesitation is Defeat.
~Sword Saint Isshin
This is my favorite period of military history. The military revolution that took place in the 16th and 17th centuries. I love the "pike and shotte" tactics. It was also a period characterized by "wars of religion." The Battle of Rocroi was a part of "the Thirty Years War." It was the last of the so called "wars of religion."
One of the first pike and shot battle was the Battle of Cerignola in 1503.
@@kristofantal8801Ganzalo de Cordoba, "El Gran Capitan"!
Well. Rocroi wasn't a religion war. It was a war between Spain and France that happened at the same time as the religion wars. Catholics vs catholics.
@@Black_Nut_Cryso Rocroi was a battle not a war. And it was a very late battle (May 19, 1643) in the Thirty Years War (1618-1648).
The Thirty Years War started out as a "war of religion" (Catholic versus Protestant) but eventually became less religiously motivated by the time of the Battle of Rocroi. By that time it was less Catholic versus Protestant and more of a war to contest the Hapsburg hegemony over Europe.
The Thirty Years War was the last of the "Wars of Religion." The Treaty of Westphalia (October 1648) ended the Thirty Years War as well as "the Wars of Religion."
Plus France wasn't totally Roman Catholic at that time. Large Protestant populations (called "Huguenots") existed in several cities and towns in southern France. The French army during the Thirty Years War consisted of Catholic regiments and Protestant regiments.
Plus the first King of the Bourbon dynasty, Henry IV, was Protestant and led Protestant French forces against Counter Reformation Catholic forces in the French Wars of Religion (1562-1598) which were essentially a series of civil wars between Protestants and Catholics in France. Eventually, Henry IV converted to Catholicism and ended these religious civil wars and gave religious rights to Protestants in France (in the Edict of Nantes). So there was a bond between the Bourbon dynasty and the Protestants of France (the Huguenots) that didn't end until Louis XIV revoked the Edict of Nantes in 1689.
@@thenoblepoptart 🙄
"This is a Spanish regiment."
...a Spanish "Third" been more accuarate. 💪
One of the most realistic battle scenes I've ever seen. 10/10
I'm French, but I really liked this film!
It represents Spanish pride well.
Especially at that time when Spain was one of the most powerful nations (if it was not the most powerful)
Thank you! I really admire France during Louis XIII's and Louis XIV's times. We were great enemies and I'm glad now we are friends. Greetings from Spain
It was the most powerfull in the late XV century, the whole XVI and first half of the XVII *Castile* was heavyy stuff in the middle ages so Spain was, for a few centuries, despite the arrival of foreign king and changes in the court, the infintie wars around the new and old possesions in Europe, and the New World. France was a titan but had no possesions outside his mainland neither discoveries, only go agaisnt anyone and the most important: allied with the *ottomans* .
@@dh1.369 You know that France had huhe chunks of lands in the Caraibean and in North America right??
@@mathieuvigne7336 neither of that, french Canada (17th century) and french Louisiana (second half of 18th century and with a Bourbon in the throne of Spain) were possessions with little extension and penetration in the territory. Apart from the principal settlements in the north east and New Orleans, it was expeditionary more than anything else. The pack of 8 tiny little Caribbean islans that France finally owned were (of course) stolen from the Spanish Empire who had very little interest in them, without any fight with Spain, and also latter on in the 17th and 18th centuries.
@@mathieuvigne7336 and France is an astonishing wonder, of course, I like it, love it. 👍
- “POUR LE ROI!!!”
- “VIVA ESPAÑA!!”
Cierra España*
They shout: "España"
As far as i know, not really sure... the spanish tercios moved in abosolut silence and only when they engaged combat, like in the movie, they were allowed to shout: "España" or "Santiago y cierra" (Santiago is the apostol patron of Spain and "cierra" actually means "to close, in imperativ mode = CLOSE the door" but at that times it also meant "to engage, to attack".
All that for one defeat LOL
@@clio2rsminicup a defeat as much as Thermopylae
@@samuelperezgarcia Not really. The result of the battle of Rocroi was a shift in european power balance. Combined with the dislocation of the Holy Roman Empire which was, like Spain, under Habsbourg domination, it marked the end of the spanish century and the beginning of the french century. France replaced Spain as the dominant continental power
Nosé si le pasa a algún hispano más, pero el sentimiento de que estos hombres en muchos casos ancestros nuestros dieron todo por la Patria, me hace saltar las lágrimas( sobre todo en la escena de la despedida de Diego y Sebastián) y repensar si España e HispanoAmerica debería seguir desunidas. Ambos lados tenemos ancestros españoles y ancestros que aún no siendolos lucharon por España, sin importar el Rey ( no desmereciendolo).
La muerte se Sebastián me parece la mejor muerte del cine.
Se muere como un toro.
Que viva la Hispanidad! monumental tu comentario!
Vive la América Española, hay mil cachorros sueltos del león Español
Saludos desde hispanoamérica
A buenas horas mangas verdes. Eso haberlo pensado en el XIX.
Lo mejor es su ultima mirada al sol y sl horizonte …. Pero luego de eso como buen Español aun sabiéndose muerto aun intenta volver a su sitio en el tercio y cae y muere …. Que mejor muestra de nuestra gran infantería!!!!
I absolutely love this scene. The scrimmage with pikes, musketeers operating like clockwork before the Tercio, the conflict between the waning superiority of cavalry and the rise of the infantryman. It looks messy, sloppy, and confusing like a battle should be.
hmm, cavalry had not truly waned, more like morphed and changed. In fact here, they seem to go much too close to the tercio, whereas the tactic of the time would have been to harass them with fire, and only charge units that were dispersed
@@Kamfrenchieyep. Calvery at this time was no longer as incredibly dominant as it had been, but the invention of wheel locks and carbines made them into extremely effective mobile fire platforms
musketeers did not operate before the tercio, because they were part of the tercio.
One of the best Pike and Shot scenes ever captured on cinema. Wow. 😮😮
The Spanish Tercios was one of the most Brave Troops in History. In the end of Real battle of Rocroi the French allowed Spain to march out the battlefield with all His Flags. Signal of Respect and Honor to this legends of bravery..
The Spanish Tercios constituted a multinational strike force unparalleled in its day. In addition to fighting, they also carried out garrison, escort, fortification and demolition tasks. Its soldiers, long featured the best infantry in the world, were not defeated in the open field until Rocroi, more than a hundred years after its creation.
But the defeat at Rocroi was not as overwhelming as French propaganda has led to believe, as the Spanish Tercios recovered Rocroi and continued fighting in Flanders during the second half of the 17th century.
PLUS ULTRA
While Rocroi was not the literal end of the Tercios, it was symbolically. After this campaign, the Tercio system would steadily adapt into the French-type line formation of infantry as pike-squares were no longer viable.
As for "French propaganda", lets just say it shows the attitude of a nation when they decide to portray their defeated enemies as valiant, gallant warriors.
tercios got beaten all the time during the 30 years war, but well...
Remember when movie studios could actually form masses of people?
Remember when movie theatres could actually form masses of people?
@@hannibalburgers477 your comment reminds me how far down in the gutter we are going as a society. Restrictions or not, there arent many movies worth watching now a day
@@SIGNOR-G His comment makes perfect sense. Society isn't going down into the gutter, but if you want to build an aqueduct you have to roll up your sleeves and look up.
Admiración, solo admiración por los Tercios de España, una infantería tan efectiva como no veía el mundo desde las legiones romanas (y como seguramente no volvió a verse jamás). Mis respetos desde La Muy Fiel y Reconquistadora Ciudad de San Felipe y Santiago de Montevideo. Viva España!
Gracias y un abrazo desde España, amigo.
Juan File
Si que se volvió a ver en las guerras napoleonicas,solo se que eran soldados prusos pero no me acuerdo exactamente del nombre
@@su_morenito_1948 Pero la gran armada fue de corta duración comparada con el dominio de siglo y medio de los tercios. Saludos desde México.
@@florentinoramirez2257 Si duro poco tiempo, pues se desenvolvia nuevas tecnologías haciendo que quedasen obsoletas ya en la mitad del siglo.
@@florentinoramirez2257 Y sin embargo dio el mismo coraje y valor que cada tercio, sobre todo en aquella tragedia en Belgica donde fueron destruidos por fuego de cañon tal como los tercios que vemos aqui.
No lo podemos negar. Ambos pueblos somos latinos.
Saludos desde México.
So realistic,no fancy move,just everyone trying their best to put the knife on each other
For those that are curious or simply don't know, the piece of music that plays from 10:29 until the end is named "La Madrugá". It is a funeral march, composed to be performed during Holy Week's "Pasos". This particular one is dedicated to "Cristo del gran Calvario" brotherhood, one od the many cofradies in Seville, Spain.
I find this piece very fitting as it represents both the suffering of this tercio and the cultural background of its members. The sort of "Passion" that trails a direct analogy with Christian Catholic tradition as in the images convey a similar feeling to that of the passage where Jesus drags the cross, commonly refered to as "The Passion".
I happen to have played this piece of music in one of the many bands that come with the parades in Holy Week, and it was marvellous to hear this piece being put to great use.
Looks really authentic.
And really painful, especially the pike push
But it's not
The movie is pretty inaccurate actually.
@@user-sg3wp2qs2b Explain please.
@@morriganravenchild6613 However, the film shows the last moments of the battle after the cavalry had been dispersed or withdrawn, the guns run out of ammunition and only two tercios there were five originally decided to stay and face the french.
The battle lasted for nearly seven hours and it swang one way and the other but the reinforcements that the spanish marshall was expecting did never arrive.
Aragorn!.... Hijo de Arathorn
Instintive archery i
Is it really Viggo Mortensen there? I thought i was the only one who thinks he looks like that
Nevermind, watched further, there is just no doubt of the man :D
Jajajaajaja nieto de isildur
Your profile pic. THICCC
Plus ultra
no phones. no cameras. just lads living in the moment
The Italian tercios fled, then the Walloons.. but the Tercio viejo fough to the end in Rocroi.
Love the song at the end of this, especially having looked it up and finding out it's a funeral march.
It is also used in holy week for processions. It called "Madruga" from Abel Moreno.
J’adore ce film. Rocroy marque la fin d’une époque glorieuse où les tiercos étaient la terreur des champs de bataille.
Alatriste est un personnage vraiment bien écrit !
8:55 You got to love the officer in the left like, "its what it is man"
Very spanish behaviour xd
Espanha e Portugal foram os maiores de seu tempo sem dúvidas, a Ibéria pôs sua influência e mudou o mundo conhecido. Heróis do mar e da terra
Sin duda,Iberia jamás volvió a ser tan gloriosa y brava desde que ambas naciones tomaron sus caminos por azares del destino.Pero ahi esta nuestra historia para recordarnoslo y nos hará falta saber para lo que viene.
A história de Portugal devia ser mais conhecida, aqui no Brasil tem uma produtora de documentários de direita chamada Brasil Paralelo que fez o documentário a Última Cruzada, contando a história de Portugal e a verdadeira do Brasil, pois a esquerda aqui sempre gostou de retratar os portugueses e a história brasileira de forma a menosprezar os portugueses e a história do Brasil. Combatendo a ignorância e a mentira.
En colombia todos sienten un odio hacia la hispanidad y de lo que habita de ella en nos, muy pocos sentimos vibrar la sangre viendo escenas cómo estás... una leyenda oscura y difundida trata de opacar esa gloria, esa valentía de aquellos hombres que defendieron una idea y conquistaron el mundo... Dios quisiera despertara esa memoria en la sangre y depurara la inmundicia a la que nos ha arrojado la falta de memoria
Qué idea? Morir por un rey al que le importas un ardite? Si de eso va Alatriste. Es decir, sobretodo los libros. El pobre soldado va a la guerra y el noble se lo pasa teta en su mansión. Nada nuevo bajo el sol. Estamos bien, si eso es una idea por la que morir hoy en día.
Gracias de corazón, por tu rigor histórico, tu honor, tu empatía hacia tus hermanos españoles. Un saludo, feliz año y suerte en la Vida. Desde Alcalá de Henares, tierras cervantinas, Madrid, España.
@@psameticoIII eso lo ve un ser producto de esta triste realidad... morir por un rey, morir por un imperio.. solo el que entiende por qué vivían y morian ... por españa, por roma, por él sentido de una realidad trascendente de la cual nosotros seres de la democracia nunca visualizaremos ... ud moriria de amor por la mujer de sus sueños?!? Ud moriria por darle lo mejor a sus hijos?!? Ud moriria por alguna razón digna? O solo vive en la miasma de esta era
@@carlosteran5617 y cómo no sentir empatia por todo lo que la hispanidad significa “lo que nunca debió dejar de ser” el imperio donde nunca se ponía el sol... sin conocerle o haberle nunca visto compartimos el mismo espíritu y en esa estima somos hermanos
@@3Impacto Bellísimas palabras, gracias por emocionarme.
Estaban entrenados matando a musulmanes durante 800 años en la reconquista desde Asturias, y sus ancestros resistieron 200 años a los romanos. España siempre ha sido guerrera, por esto en la época actual intentan desunirla más desde muchos países, sobre todos anglosajones. El día que el país se una, volverá a ser temida a la vez que respetada.
Desde España te digo que andas algo despistado
@@sobrevaloradoTu a seguir con la venda en los ojos y a votar a la izquierda
spain is the arab nation of europe
¡España e Hispanoamérica (Latinoamérica) unidas!
When Aragorn and Jordi Alba made Spain proud
"Los tercios españoles" uff one of the best infantry in European history. strong men. The movie is a joy, I really loved it!
During the Thirty Years' War, decisive victory of the Kingdom of France over the armies of Spanish Flanders. For the first time in Europe, the invincible army of Spanish pikemen is defeated. The French cavalry crushes it.
@@fredericvolatil8910 so what? Every great army has its time of glory and fall, including the French one. That doesn't stop us from admiring his performance in history.
Greetings from Ukraine! 🇺🇦🇪🇸 Spanish history is so rich and magnificent! It is a shame that because of the "black legend" Spain and its incredible achievements were shunned by the rest of Europe for so long. Spanish Tercios were a truly ingenious and formidable military formations, a true juggernaut that rolled over its enemies for many decades and brave Spanish warriors were true gods of war of their time! Let the Cross of Burgundy flag fly forever! Be proud, Spain! Greetings from Ukraine 🇺🇦🇪🇸!
Thanks you my european brother 🤝
Stupids fascists😂
Muchas gracias. Viva la Hispanidad. Plus Ultra.
Shame while there is certainly a level of truth to it Spain is by no means More Evil Compared to its other Imperial Contemporaties, they were no saints and have done a lot of regretable stuff but that doesn't mean they are uniquely bad for the Periods the Rule compared to other European Empires and Empires in general. (The Spanish even have a Controversy about the treatment of Natives in Latin America because of the Encomiendas so they weren't as Evil as the Legends makes them out to be but also this lead to another for of Forced Labour and the practice of Encomiendas Would still continue in New Spain, Peru and the Philippines but still the Controversy did make the Spanish Empire reconsider some of their Actions.)
The fact that you as a Ukrainian can praise the soldiers of an at the time colonial power while your own sovereign nation is being invaded by a Russia asking itself "Remember the good old days when we had an empire and we could step on people with impunity? Good times."
TopMovie, very underrated. By the Siege of Breda, also Dutch is spoken. The tunnel fights are very real. A movie to be seen!!
Excellent demonstration of the tactics of the day.
Stupid tactic
@@eesponja5540 back then they were the only good tactics
At the time, Heavy Cavalry rule the battlefied, which lead to the Pike formation being use & very popular among all army, and mercenaries group. While fire-arms weapon are slowly rise in the battlefield, there accuracy still very low, short effective range & rate-of-fire are too long, most army still favor Cavalry to destroyed range troops, artillery & out-flank enemy line, then Pike-men to stop the Cavalry charge ( which why plate armor still being use, while knights & horse-men equipped with pistol to counter the pike-men, it was in late Medieval & early Renaissance after all so lots new tactics being develop with medieval technology around ).
Fox Blue Heavy cavalry ruled the battlefield? Are you serious? The pike and shot tactics were developed during the Italian wars by the Spaniards,to fight against French heavy cavalry specifically,so no
@@su_morenito_1948 you didn't understand my points yet, i was talk about the dominated of Heavy Cavalry since "medieval" time, was the reason let to the development of the Pike formation later on.
You we're "half" right about the Spanish Tercio: it was developed to counter "both" the French Heavy Cavalry & the Swiss mercenary Pike formation, also the German Landsneckts. Because both of them we're dominating the Battlefield, and were unstoppable when use together, as the French did in the video.
Yes, the Pike & Shot tactics was one of the most effective formation, but not undefeated. The pike line may stop the charging horse, but the Carvaly itself still a very powerful unit, especially the French Cavalry. You have to know in "the Battle of Rocroi", it was the French knight & horse-men that defeated the Spanish cavalry & other infangry on the flank, then eliminated there artillery line and left 5 out of 8 Tercio unit alone ( 3 Tercio was already fallen with others troops ). What happened next was show in the video: after 8 hours of fighting, only 2 Tercio unit still standing against the French army, being bombardment by both French & captured Spanish cannons earlier ( which show the weakness of the Pike & Shot tactics - against artillery, and musket line formation some hundred years later ). The Spanish we're surrounded, over-numbered by Knight & Pike-men, fought bravery against all attacks & event refused an honorable surrender.
One of Viggo's best roles. My favorite movie!
"... but this is a spanish tercio". No more words needed, no further explanation required. Its was just simply unconcievable for a spanish tercio to surrender, no matter how favourable were the terms.
This I easily the best depiction of pike and shot warfare I've ever witnessed
Imagine polish cavarly, ottoman artillery, and spanish tercios in one army. It would be unstoppable.🇵🇱🇪🇸🇹🇷
And portiguese navy
@Kaiser Willhelm II Oh
@@raspbel5906 Yeah true
And supported by the Dutch navy at the time. It would be a scary force.
Almogávar infantry
I usually have some kind of criticism for battle scenes, but this seemed to fairly represent what I'd imagine real combat, pikes, and cannons would be like.
Sarude Danstorm agreed aside from the exploding cannon balls lol.
@@danielallan8061 both depend on cannon size and the nation
The fight against the Moors made Spain unstoppable in its momentum for several centuries, removing the Turk from the work in Lepanto and Malta, in the third islands the French, to unify Portugal, the English too, but in the end like a lion harassed by hyenas Their Empire fell like so many others, not without leaving their mark on Latin America, which without a doubt when they know or want to, they will have to lead a new union in Hispanidad. Regarding the film, despite good moments it fails to capture Alatriste's literary saga, it would have been enough for several films.
As a Peruvian, it's my personal opinion not so common here, but I'm also proud of my former compatriots of the Spanish Empire. This movie not only represent the bravery of the Spanish Tercios, but also the cohesion of the Empire, obviously imperfect, but far more advanced than any other in that time: Many citizens of outer territories of the empire were treated as "equals" even in Madrid, just like Malatesta, Italian but also Spanish in that time.
A lot of Peruvians got high ranks in both military and politic charges, and many of them fought in the Tercios in Netherlands, Italy, North America and the Caribbean (there were even Peruvian Viceroys in charge of the Viceroyalty of Nueva España). Everything was far from perfect for non-iberical Spanishmen, but it was far better that anything the British, French of Germans could ever settle for their colonies and their very well known genocides.
Beautiful movie.
From Peru, Former Viceroyalty of Peru, Former province of the Spanish Empire. Peru was not from Spain, Peru was Spain.
You mean there were Incans serving in tercios?
@@MbisonBalrog yes and no, most of them were half-blood.
What fantasy are you espousing? Lol
@@koeh07 That's not true. "Tercios de Arauco" (Chile) its a clear example of that. And Peru had the"Ejercito Real del Perú" even a higher rank of division., with 95% peruvian-born soldiers.
@@koeh07 plus wouldn’t any Indios get extremely sick if they went over to Europe?
Sin duda la mejor infantería de su tiempo y quizás la mejor del mundo.
tienes razón pero se acabo en Rocroi!
@p R tienes toda la razón, en Francia pasa lo mismo. Ya no hay honor, moral patriotismo nada. Hay poco tiempo se sacrifico 2 soldados por un par de putos inconscientes . no el mundo va al fracaso, mi amigo. saludos
Janissaries
@@alainguillem7795 Falso: acabo en las Dunas de 1658 frente a un ejercito anglofrances. En 1656 derrotaron a los franceses en Valenciennes por ejemplo.
@@sanberkmutlu5286 Eran buenos, pero no tanto, los Jenizaros nunca estuvieron al nivel del tercio, la prueba la tienes en Castelnuovo.
I wish more melee weapon battle scenes were like this, doesn't need to be completely realistic, just less one on one duels and stuff.
Es la infanteria que represento españa con todo su orgullo y honor , perdieran o ganaran. Eso es ser un soldado de los tercios.
When two pike walls come at one another it has to be among the most vicious of combats one could witness
"Dígale que le agradezco sus palabras, pero esto es un Tercio Español."
Nosotros NUNCA nos rendimos, preferimos morir, la muerte es sólo un paso.
VIVA ESPAÑA HOSTIAS!!!!.
No soy español pero respeto mucho a los tercios. Muy bravos.
Saludos de parte de un chileno.
Coreano Mamadisimo Del sur de Chile
Coreano Mamadisimo No, estimado. De la Capitanía General de Chile, dependiente del Virrey del Perú. Flandes indiano.
@WILLIAM EWART GLADSTONE a mi me podrian llamar glandestone solo por ese comentarii
Mejor morir con la conciencia tranquila que morir con trabajo por terminar
These fuckers had everything. Guns, horses, guns on horses, cannons, spears, hand to hand combat, etc. must’ve been hard to create a battle plan with this many options
I have wanted to watch this movie, but it is only in Spanish with English subtitles. I have been studying Spanish for the last 2 months, so maybe I am ready???? Hahahaha! The battle scene is one of the few that even attempts at realism. No exploding canon balls, fairly accurate portrayal of how cavalry was used in the day -- the caracole where the cavalry charged in quickly and fired the many pistols or carbines into the infantry at more or less point blank range, and then wheeled away to reload (they missed the wheeling away to reload but this was a very difficult and complicated maneuver to pull off). And the joining of the pike blocks in battle. Terrifying. Many Spanish Tercios were known to have died to the last man before surrendering the field even under honorable terms.
You can write in English so what is the problem with subtitles?
@@Pikkabuu I find it very distracting.
You need to learn a good level of Spanish. This is not XXIst Century language
¡Saludos desde Ucrania! 🇺🇦🇪🇸 ¡La historia de España es tan rica y magnífica! Los tercios españoles fueron formaciones militares verdaderamente ingeniosas y formidables, un verdadero monstruo que aplastó a sus enemigos durante muchas décadas y los valientes guerreros españoles fueron verdaderos dioses de la guerra de su tiempo. ¡Que la bandera de la Cruz de Borgoña ondee para siempre! ¡Siéntete orgullosa, España! Saludos desde Ucrania 🇺🇦🇪🇸!
LOS Españoles tenemos mucha sangre de Ucrania, desde los YAmma , Hasta los scyitas, Cimmerios (Gomeros) y TAuridos de Crimea. Los Celtas españoles vinieron originariamente de ahi. Tambien hay descendencia del Rus de KIev en el norte de España, Guipuzcoa (San Sebastian) y Navarra, , yo mismo desciendo de Volodimir I y Jaroslaw el Sabio. Slava Ukraine Ucrania no se rinde
@@diegoapalategui579 Ну як що испанський генерал ФрАнко і український писменник Іван ФранкО мають одне призвище, а іспанська провінція Галісія та українська область Галичина мають одну назву, то чого б і ні ....?
Тавро-скіфи та сармати де тільки не були, тому не дивно що всі люди брати поміж собою )))
Тільки треба додати до солдатів в іспанських військових моряків та флот.
Цілі покоління пасіонарних ідальго та кабальеро відправились за обрії по пригоди та золото, але дуже не багато з них повернулось додому Так Іспанія загубила на чужих шляхах свою долю ,що робе їх схожими на наших козарлюг запорожців.
Запорожці!
Abrazo al pueblo ucraniano, gracias por tus palabras y la mejor de las suertes en vuestra guerra. Slava Ukraine!!
It had to be really nerve wrecking when you see your enemy crawling under you with a dagger while you and your friends are trying your best not to drop the pike and lose cohesive formation.
Spain was the most powerful empire in the world. in its best moments they fight against, Netherland, France , Sweden, England, North Africa Arabic, Japanese samurais in Asia, native Indians in its American colonies, Etc and stop the powerful Turkish army in Lepanto battle. most of the time these tercios fought with disadvantages in numbers against their enemies.
Lol they outnumbered french soldiers in this battle and they still lost. 🤷♂️
24 000 french soldiers against 27 000 spanish (5 spanish tercios, 3 italian tercios, 5 wallonia regiment, 5 german regiment and 2 flemish regiment)
@@Raisonnance. the Germans retreat at the end, leaving the Portuguese and the Italians with the Spaniards fighting at the end of the battle.
You forgot the Martians and the Neptunians 😂😂😂
@@caesaraltamiranor.7789 Traitors
@@Raisonnance. San Quintín
Putting Aragon in your front rank is a kind of a power move.
No no, Aragon is the spanish region, aragorn the LOTR guy lmao
I do adore the way warfare is depicted in this film. Something in my brain laments how... restrictive the way the shots look to me? I think what happened was that the production crew simply didn't have the budget to match the scope of the battle - which I absolutely get and I do appreciate them trying to still capture Rocroi.
1:35 "Espana" in unison as the pikes lowered was my favorite scene.
"¡¡¡¡CIERRA ESPAÑA!!!!" That was the war cry. It comes from the old days fighting the yihad during the Reconquista. "¡¡Santiago y cierra España!!", was the motto. And the Tercios inherited it.
2:30 Wirklich gut gemachte Szene. Kein hirnloses "Ineinander-hinein-Rennen" wie in vielen Historien-Filmen, sondern ein langsames Vorrücken - jeder versucht, den gegnerischen Piken-Spitzen auszuweichen und seinerseits einen Feind zu erwischen. Ein paar besonders Tapfere versuchen, unter dem Wall aus Piken an den Gegner heran zu kommen. 🤔👍
_"When God ask Humanity for a feat, his Angels look to Spain"_
When God needs people to preserve the foundations of the world, he looks to the Slavic.
@@filipselakovic9768 nice. Nastravia.
@@filipselakovic9768 ciertamente, en la actualidad, parecéis la ultima defensa de Europa, Saludos!!!
@@filipselakovic9768 again the West looks to the East as it falls.
Yea, but considering spanish did many genocide in to the native American I think that's not actually a fancy achievement
Grande fu la fanteria spagnola e imperiale, che grazie al suo superbo addestramento e inquadrata nella formazione chiamata tercio (forgiata nelle guerre d'Italia) dominò per quasi 2 secoli i campi di battaglia di tutta Europa vincendo folgoranti e spettacolari battaglie, come ad esempio nel 1634 a Nordlingen. In questa occasione i tercios viejos di Napoli e Milano, tutti formati da formidabili veterani, grazie a una magistrale azione difensiva riuscirono, nonostante fossero sottoposti a un intenso bombardamento da parte dell'artiglieria svedese, a respingere ben 15 cariche combinate di fanteria e cavalleria svedese. Le perdite degli attaccanti furono spaventose, e in un secondo momento i tercios lanciarono un veemente contrattacco che distrusse totalmente l'esercito avversario. I tercios non erano affatto inferiori alle formazioni "in linea" protestanti (svedesi, sassoni e olandesi) anzi erano di gran lunga superiori a queste perché gli ufficiali imperiali e spagnoli modificarono la disposizione degli escuadron dei picchieri in modo da rendere mobilissime le unità dei moschettieri tale da ottenere sempre una superiorità di fuoco rispetto agli avversari. Gustavo ll Adolfo Vasa se ne accorse tardi a Lutzen nel 1632. Sbaglio' la carica di cavalleria e venne colpito 2 volte da palle di moschetto e poi infilzato dalle picche. In questa battaglia vennero annientati i migliori reggimenti di fanteria svedesi, solo che von Wallenstein comandante supremo degli imperiali non volle contrattaccare e così si lasciò sfuggire una travolgente vittoria. Gustavo Adolfo fu un buon generale ma non un "fulmine di guerra" come ci racconta la faziosa propaganda protestante. I tercios combatterono anche come fanteria di mare. Nel 1571 a Lepanto furono imbarcati sulla nave ammiraglia cristiana 400 elementi sceltissimi appartenenti al tercio di Sardegna, ottimi tiratori e maestri indiscussi nell'utilizzo della picca, spada e daga, arrembarono furiosamente l'ammiraglia ottomana uccidendo il comandante supremo della flotta avversaria.
Commenting so I can translate this later.
This scene is so much filled with testosterone that my beard grew up his own beard.
😅
Best depiction of a pre-modern land battle I've ever seen. Thanks.
Actually, that was the "Modern" era ( in strict, Historiographical terms). But yes, it is a superb reendition of a Pike and Shot battle.
@@ernstschloss8794 Yes, you are right, in the traditional division of history into three eras: Ancient, Medieval, and Modern, everything from the 15th or 16th century down to the present is considered 'modern'. However, from the mid-twentieth century onwards, the 'Modern' era has often been defined as starting in the late 18th century. Under this classification scheme the period depicted here is 'Early Modern', which spans from the 1400s to the late 1700s.
@@filipselakovic9768 Agreed my friend. Also, it's common from everything from beyong the late 19th Century to fall under the "Contemporary" period, but I guess We'll see that change again within the spam of our lifetime.
Nunca me imaginé una marcha de procesión en una película y hoy la disfruto en esta escena. Bravo por el director😍🥺👏
I would be crying "Hijos de puta" too!
lol me too
Si verdad
this make me want to play Europa universalis 4
Côté Fabrice beast of a game. Been on it for a few days lol
Rather play medieval 2 total war
Isec Sanchez yeah me too! good game to spend your money. no regret
not realistic enough for me, play crusader kings insted
Why is it not realistic? In eu4 pikemen make gun sounds how can that be more realistic?
How fascinating to see that despite a viceral hatred between our two countries (France and Spain) for centuries, today Spanish Cinema respect much more it's neighbor than english/american does. When they produce an absolute garbage on Agincourt battle spanish produce this, whith a bit of "romance" but far more accurate and respectful.
it's not "tell them of our exploits", what he is asking from Iñigo is "tell them what we were" as in how they endured their service and lived their lives, which is a callback to the fact that Iñigo is the narrator of the novels.
It’s crazy that truly ancient things like pikes were still used in the 17th Century
That's because as a tactical weapon were highly useful against light cavalry during the Italian conquest in the mid-16th Century.
raça de conquistadores, o sangue mais foda que existe nessa terra , Orgulho de descender de valentes e violentos guerreiros que não se deixaram governar!
Bravo imao!!!
When the squad yelled "Spain" before the enemy cavalry it gave me chills
I thought they shouted SPAM!
They yelled "¡¡¡CIERRA ESPAÑA!!!", that was the war cry. An old motto from the Reconquista, "¡¡¡SANTIAGO Y CIERRA ESPAÑA!!!". Los tercios inherited it.
Soy mexicano, pero no deja de asombrarme la hisotria de los tercios españoles, no por nada eran temidos en su tiempo
When fighting a war was done by men with incredible courage! Meet and fight your enemies eye to eye, with no real advantage in technology.
Thats literrally false. Technology is what made this fights posible.
We tend to link the word technology with 21th century things, which is no true.
How where the cannons invented? Why they choose to fight in pike formations with heavier breastplates than 15th century knights? Because of technology
This scene sparked my curiosity on Spanish war ideology and also is from where I learned that the Marines and Marine mentality originated in Spain.
Awesome scene. I can't believe how unique, at least in my mind, that pikemen duel was. I've so rarely seen that period in battle scenes, and I can't believe how unusual it was to see brave/mental men scampering across the ground to dagger each other beneath a ceiling of pikes.
The best historically accurate film!
The French fought for their king whereas the Spaniards fought for the Spanish Empire. That's one hell of a morale
no
@@rade6912 yes
yes and that's an honor to fight for the king.
not for their empire, but for their faith, for their people, for their culture, for their glory, and for spain
@WILLIAM EWART GLADSTONE En realidad es al revés, los franceses estaban invadiendo a España, pues los franceses financiaron a los rebeldes neerlandeses, véase como los descarados gabachos le quitaron a España Lila y Cálesis, el franco condado, y la conquista más descarada; Perpiñan.