If I could have the gameplay of Apocalypse and the story quality of IV, I'm pretty sure I'd have my perfect RPG. That said, I did really enjoy Apocalypse. I feel like a few story beats missed their marks, but hot dang if I didn't have fun all the way through.
I agree with this. I would LOVE a Redux of SMT IV with the updated map and gameplay tweaks. It would be amazing. The closest thing at the moment is hacking Apocalypse and changing the music to SMT IVs lol
From what I heard the neutral path of SMTIV happens because Nanashi rejected Dagda's offer of being a Godslayer, if he accepts then Apocalypse happens.
i don't even fuck off mate if y'all are smart enough to put down a sentence y'all are also smart enough to at least put a "spoiler warning" heck use the freaking emoji vers if y'all that lazy it's not that hard like you can write whatever Dafuk u want but just don't ruin it for others that are trying to go in blind and experience it for themselves like u your selfs did when y'all do shit like this y'all the ones that make your selfs look bad and are gonna get it cause karma always comes around so eat dicks for doing/accepting shit like this assholes
I actually didn't mind the story, maybe it was my perspective of it. It did feel a bit "shonen" but I considered that the main character was 15 so meh, never was much for anime or mangas anyway so it went over my head for some time. I had just percieved it as playing a youth who grew up their entire existence in a post-apocalyptic tokyo, a character that doesn't remember the tragedy of the ICBM nukes. I felt as though the more carefree nature of this game made the character seem to be just going through life as usual, as apposed to the previous characters that undergo a dynamic change from the get. Mind you the Dynamic change is still in this game with the death and all that, but its not a new or unheard of experience to him all the same. The only world Nanashi has ever known is one filled with Demons death, manipulation, corruption etc... From Nanashi's point of view, its just another day... all the more reason to tone down the seriousness of this entry... But hey what do I know.
I actually say that chooseing between Anarchy and Peace near the end was really hard for me as I agreed with both sides but unfortunately there was no middle ground no compromise this time to go with between the two I'd actually like both versions to return in a future alignment system based game. Is the peace ending the happiest yes, but I still felt I lost something in the end.
This was honestly my first SMT game in the series and so far my favorite, even having played SMT IV. However, I'm not really sure I can really say I had the "SMT" experience until I can play at least Nocturne. Then again, I like to take things for what they are, so I don't find myself dwelling on each game's weaknesses. Would recommend.
I loved final. It fixed pretty much every mechanical problem I had with 4 and I actually liked the different tone (Though I don't want every smt going forwards to be lighter). It reminds me a lot of final fantasy x-2 and I certainly wouldn't mind more rpgs doing the sub branch sequel thing that tries new stuff.
I personally liked Apocalypse but I think the story would have been more tight with fewer companions. Navarre and Toki in particular were a bit one-note to me. I would have liked it if the were 3 companions that consolidated the old Law, Chaos, and Neutral routes (similar to IV but not the same ones) but then the game had the same arc where you all realise as a group that the most important aspect is the bonds you forged. I actually really liked the Massacre route. Dagda says some dumb shit but his motivation is sympathetic and I loved the final cutscene of him reuniting with nature.
I liked SMT 4a lot but I had some big gripes with it. Apocalypse fixed every issue I had with it, it’s an excellent game one of the best RPGs on the 3DS
I also appreciate the demons skills affinities in apocalypse. Previously in 4, you can teach ice type demons fire skills with no problem, in apocalypse, ice types' fire skills will be nerfed. Which is a nice touch.
Hey Nyth, would you ever consider making a retrospective on SMT 1 and 2? Although they formed the basis of what SMT combat and themes would be and have what is relatively the largest impact as a result, I don't think many know of what exactly happened in those game's stories. And I believe that any newcomers would probably not come across them other than an off handed reference or comment from another SMT fan only to be mired in confusion since they'll have most likely only played the most recent games. So does showing the beginning of where this all started sound like a good idea to you, by the way, I also haven't played either of those games, so I feel like I've missed out on something great.
I feel like any one of the Dragon Quest Monsters games (or Dragon Warrior Monsters) would've been a better suggestion in place of Pokemon. Pokemon is mainly 1v1, and breeding is a small aspect of it, but the Dragon Quest Monsters games have 2 parties going up against each other in battle, and the heavy focus on rolling over your monsters via breeding/fusing to keep skills/spells while moving in somewhat strange "evolution" directions makes these franchises play fairly similarly, despite the obvious difference in tone. Great review, though!
I'm excited. It looks like a pretty different game compared to it's prequel. I'm actually on my second ending with a new game plus, back to back. Almost right back at the split point too. I might wait till after I finish Persona 2 IS to play this one!
If it wasnt for Apocalypse I would never have gotten into SMT, I got it and didn't understand the story, upon basic research I got IV and I have now played every game in the series and I love it, hope V is good. But given the state of the industry as a whole im cautious.
As someone who also just got into SMT IV, how did you like A? I personally dont mind a bit more bond of friendship but I loved exploring the darker themes in IV. I hope it's still there
Apocalypse is prior to the ending of the neutral route, and is essentially Shin Megami Tensei IV: if... since canonically Dagda did not take resurrect Nanashi. We never meet Nanashi in the base game.
Anime friendship has been around ever sense anime its self started. So many games do this and no cares about or even bates and eye but once SMT does its like "oh it's like persona" Have people even played other RPG besides STM and persona? Hell its in your anime and movies too. These developer's get things from pop culture like movies and anime and they get inspired from these things as we do. People need to just relax and have fun its a game at the end of the day. As long the game have stuff to go back to I'll say its wroth it. Great video
The best things to come out of this game is : - the reworked smirk system : smirk used to grant a massive evasion boost, which made the fights incredibly bullshit because missing would cost more press turns (granted, ailments removes it, but still); but now it instead just remove weakness, making it fair, yet still threatening! - the new partner system : no more agi-the-shit-out-of-Minautor-until-he-smirk! The partner now have an actual A.I. instead of RNG, and will never make the battle harder than it should be! (well... except Gaston, but he's special XD)
I'm new to shin megami tensei and i was thinking of getting the regular 4 but is this good enough to get shin megami tensei 4 and this one too plus are they both expensive or not because i wanna get all the demons in both games and I'm looking forward to getting either or both games
+Nyth Grandbeard (Rtyuiope's Game Room) Which the whole soundtrack is one of the best in the entire Franchise or do I need to bring up Godslayer and to become God's Enemy granted I'm disappointed that they didn't bring back the final boss theme from Megami Tensei 2 in some form but there is a cameo of Shin Megami Tensei 2's final boss theme if you listen carefully in the final doungon speaking of which completing that even on the lowest difficulty you feel like to quote destroy the porn here "the Fucking Man!". That final boss had everything I felt the original 4's final boss was missing!
What's wrong with TMS#FE? I personally loved the combat system and concept, even if the story's execution was a little lackluster. I haven't finished it yet though... I 100% agree with you on your opinion on Apocalypse though. This game was great.
smt4 itself didnt show the consequences of being neutral while smt4a does. smt4 showed how both chaos and law are equally flawed ideas despite how many qualities it has. neutrality feels like an easy way out and an easy option to take since all you had to do was not agree with anybody and only side with masakado's attempt to break the ceiling. smt4a shows how even if humans live in peace, they wont carve out their own path and will lead themselves down the road to destruction like the white said while even if humans ascend to godhood they'll be directionless and will probably misuse the power since humans are bound to repeat the same mistakes over and over again. which will probably recreate another smt4 depending on what nanashi does with the new universe with dagda's help.
Try to say as I said prior rather than above. U probably just forgot for a brief moment that it was ultimately gonna be a video rather than a word document.
If Megami Tensei were to explore themes of friendship I would want it to be a commentary on the selfishness of rebirthing the world while you and privileged people survive the destruction. Think of becoming a YHVH type character.
To me, this was the worst mainline game. Sure the gameplay was vastly improved but everything else that made the series what it is that separated it from everything else was lost in the process. The story especially felt like a bad fanfic. Especially due how filled it is with the strawman fallacy and anti individualism messages at every turn as well as the most basic of anime cliches, making the whole story come across as one long author tract. And the exposition, dear god the exposition. This game has never heard of the little thing called "show, don't tell". The problem with the endings is that the game is completely built to favor the happy friendship ending, the other endings just come out of left field as a result, and that on top of them going out of their way in trying to point you out as a monster for going those routes.
matteste I think that was kind of the point especially if you look at Persona 5 which oddly is darker than this game this here was a bit of an experiment by Atlus and besides while it's mainline it's also technically a spin off like if... and Strange Journey, they can give such a game a happy ending if they want to because this isn't SMT V it's 2 additional endings to IV nothing else. I enjoyed it for what it was and understand what they were going for. Do you really want a game with choice in it that you're just going to use a walkthrough to get the alignment you want and complain when the charicter you like die in ending (X) or would you rather have the game just throw insane scenarios at you leave alignment up to a single choice and spoil you with eather the super happy ending some fans think they wanted while giving persona haters the most SMT, SMT ending ever! The moment you agreed to be Dagda's Godslayer you gave up the ability of choice as they show numerous times in the game. This game is a litteral satire and deconstruction of it's own franchise
matteste Also the cast here was better than the assholes of SMT 3 and 4's Alignment cardboard cutouts they remined me a lot of the Crew in Strange Journey and The Spookies from soul hackers. They felt like genuine friends who I was fighting alongside I say even more so than the Persona games as things feel a lot more tense and dangerous and I am anyoied with a certain cop out but that's a different discussion
To be bluntly honest, the characters from SMTIVA felt so flat and superficial that characters such as Chiaki and Zelenin felt like they had walked out of a Tolstoy novel by comparison.
I disliked the partners because they talked way too much. The most aggravating part was when I would get into a fight, one round the enemies, and when I got out off battle one of the partners would remark about how the enemies are too strong.
Been wondering what all the anti-hype around this one is about, glad to hear its not as awful as it's made out to be. Also I don't find the map in SMT IV to be bad at all? Honestly don't know what people's issue with the map is.
If I could have the gameplay of Apocalypse and the story quality of IV, I'm pretty sure I'd have my perfect RPG.
That said, I did really enjoy Apocalypse. I feel like a few story beats missed their marks, but hot dang if I didn't have fun all the way through.
I agree with this. I would LOVE a Redux of SMT IV with the updated map and gameplay tweaks. It would be amazing. The closest thing at the moment is hacking Apocalypse and changing the music to SMT IVs lol
Playing in 2022, and yes that would be awesome
No one summons demons like Gaston!
From what I heard the neutral path of SMTIV happens because Nanashi rejected Dagda's offer of being a Godslayer, if he accepts then Apocalypse happens.
Crok425 True once again all paths are canon to their own timeline
Sooo... Nanashi just accepts his death?
Tiz Kun your fault.
i don't even fuck off mate if y'all are smart enough to put down a sentence y'all are also smart enough to at least put a "spoiler warning" heck use the freaking emoji vers if y'all that lazy it's not that hard like you can write whatever Dafuk u want but just don't ruin it for others that are trying to go in blind and experience it for themselves like u your selfs did when y'all do shit like this y'all the ones that make your selfs look bad and are gonna get it cause karma always comes around so eat dicks for doing/accepting shit like this assholes
Tiz Kun and you weren't smart enough to figure that it's a bad idea to look into comments under a review of the game. Again, your fault.
Looks like I forgot to cut out a line. Who ever finds it gets invisible internet candy!
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NoLiefClover1 lol
"As i said above"
This was my first SMT game. Because when you are new to a series the best place to start is a spin-off of the 4th game. Really enjoyed it.
I actually didn't mind the story, maybe it was my perspective of it. It did feel a bit "shonen" but I considered that the main character was 15 so meh, never was much for anime or mangas anyway so it went over my head for some time. I had just percieved it as playing a youth who grew up their entire existence in a post-apocalyptic tokyo, a character that doesn't remember the tragedy of the ICBM nukes. I felt as though the more carefree nature of this game made the character seem to be just going through life as usual, as apposed to the previous characters that undergo a dynamic change from the get. Mind you the Dynamic change is still in this game with the death and all that, but its not a new or unheard of experience to him all the same. The only world Nanashi has ever known is one filled with Demons death, manipulation, corruption etc... From Nanashi's point of view, its just another day... all the more reason to tone down the seriousness of this entry... But hey what do I know.
Just drop by to say praise for the music pick. The only thing kept me grind through the final dungeon is this music.
I actually say that chooseing between Anarchy and Peace near the end was really hard for me as I agreed with both sides but unfortunately there was no middle ground no compromise this time to go with between the two I'd actually like both versions to return in a future alignment system based game. Is the peace ending the happiest yes, but I still felt I lost something in the end.
This was honestly my first SMT game in the series and so far my favorite, even having played SMT IV. However, I'm not really sure I can really say I had the "SMT" experience until I can play at least Nocturne. Then again, I like to take things for what they are, so I don't find myself dwelling on each game's weaknesses. Would recommend.
smt 4 A is a persona-ish game, for real experience, play devil survivor or strange journey and nocturne then you will be able to tell the difference
I loved final. It fixed pretty much every mechanical problem I had with 4 and I actually liked the different tone (Though I don't want every smt going forwards to be lighter). It reminds me a lot of final fantasy x-2 and I certainly wouldn't mind more rpgs doing the sub branch sequel thing that tries new stuff.
I personally liked Apocalypse but I think the story would have been more tight with fewer companions. Navarre and Toki in particular were a bit one-note to me. I would have liked it if the were 3 companions that consolidated the old Law, Chaos, and Neutral routes (similar to IV but not the same ones) but then the game had the same arc where you all realise as a group that the most important aspect is the bonds you forged.
I actually really liked the Massacre route. Dagda says some dumb shit but his motivation is sympathetic and I loved the final cutscene of him reuniting with nature.
I liked SMT 4a lot but I had some big gripes with it. Apocalypse fixed every issue I had with it, it’s an excellent game one of the best RPGs on the 3DS
Max G to me, Apocalypse broke everything I liked about smt4, except for the map and partner system
I love this game so much that i 100% completed the compendium
Law, Chaos, and the Divine Powers should have had full end games.
I got it to try the series out and liked it quite a bit
So is this the Final Fantasy X-2 of SMT?
One of the greatest Atlus games ever made in all of human history. Definitely one of my favorites.
I also appreciate the demons skills affinities in apocalypse. Previously in 4, you can teach ice type demons fire skills with no problem, in apocalypse, ice types' fire skills will be nerfed. Which is a nice touch.
Hey Nyth, would you ever consider making a retrospective on SMT 1 and 2? Although they formed the basis of what SMT combat and themes would be and have what is relatively the largest impact as a result, I don't think many know of what exactly happened in those game's stories. And I believe that any newcomers would probably not come across them other than an off handed reference or comment from another SMT fan only to be mired in confusion since they'll have most likely only played the most recent games. So does showing the beginning of where this all started sound like a good idea to you, by the way, I also haven't played either of those games, so I feel like I've missed out on something great.
I feel like any one of the Dragon Quest Monsters games (or Dragon Warrior Monsters) would've been a better suggestion in place of Pokemon. Pokemon is mainly 1v1, and breeding is a small aspect of it, but the Dragon Quest Monsters games have 2 parties going up against each other in battle, and the heavy focus on rolling over your monsters via breeding/fusing to keep skills/spells while moving in somewhat strange "evolution" directions makes these franchises play fairly similarly, despite the obvious difference in tone. Great review, though!
I'm excited. It looks like a pretty different game compared to it's prequel. I'm actually on my second ending with a new game plus, back to back. Almost right back at the split point too. I might wait till after I finish Persona 2 IS to play this one!
I FUCKEN LOVE SMT4A
If it wasnt for Apocalypse I would never have gotten into SMT, I got it and didn't understand the story, upon basic research I got IV and I have now played every game in the series and I love it, hope V is good. But given the state of the industry as a whole im cautious.
As someone who also just got into SMT IV, how did you like A? I personally dont mind a bit more bond of friendship but I loved exploring the darker themes in IV. I hope it's still there
What did you think?
Apocalypse is prior to the ending of the neutral route, and is essentially Shin Megami Tensei IV: if... since canonically Dagda did not take resurrect Nanashi. We never meet Nanashi in the base game.
Its a good game that all it matters
It was the first SMT game I ever played. I bought it because the box looked cool....I LOVED IT!
Anime friendship has been around ever sense anime its self started. So many games do this and no cares about or even bates and eye but once SMT does its like "oh it's like persona" Have people even played other RPG besides STM and persona? Hell its in your anime and movies too. These developer's get things from pop culture like movies and anime and they get inspired from these things as we do. People need to just relax and have fun its a game at the end of the day. As long the game have stuff to go back to I'll say its wroth it. Great video
The best things to come out of this game is :
- the reworked smirk system : smirk used to grant a massive evasion boost, which made the fights incredibly bullshit because missing would cost more press turns (granted, ailments removes it, but still); but now it instead just remove weakness, making it fair, yet still threatening!
- the new partner system : no more agi-the-shit-out-of-Minautor-until-he-smirk! The partner now have an actual A.I. instead of RNG, and will never make the battle harder than it should be! (well... except Gaston, but he's special XD)
Thank you 🙌👌
I'm new to shin megami tensei and i was thinking of getting the regular 4 but is this good enough to get shin megami tensei 4 and this one too plus are they both expensive or not because i wanna get all the demons in both games and I'm looking forward to getting either or both games
I dont mind Apocalypse but I do mind the difficulty of both games. A tad bit harder would have made my day
I like 4a but it’s not just smt it’s smt and persona combined poorly...however it’s gameplay elevates it just enough to be a must play
What track did you use for the outro?
It's SMT IV: Apocalypse's Theme
+Nyth Grandbeard (Rtyuiope's Game Room) Which the whole soundtrack is one of the best in the entire Franchise or do I need to bring up Godslayer and to become God's Enemy granted I'm disappointed that they didn't bring back the final boss theme from Megami Tensei 2 in some form but there is a cameo of Shin Megami Tensei 2's final boss theme if you listen carefully in the final doungon speaking of which completing that even on the lowest difficulty you feel like to quote destroy the porn here "the Fucking Man!". That final boss had everything I felt the original 4's final boss was missing!
Can anyone tell what is the name of the music starting on 11:09 it sounds amazing. Thank you
Here ya go ruclips.net/video/soQB9-sE8VM/видео.html
Why does the beginning bit sound so much like the intro to the Gen 4 Pokemon games?
Oh man I can't wait to hear your opinion about TMS. Also, instant sub just because SMT. I'm a very shallow man. :/
How is the DLC where the first hero, Aleph and Demi-Fiend all come back?
Sunglass Kirby Pretty badass. You fight Stephen too.
It's the superboss dlc. Probably the best DLC in the game.
Great review, but...
THERE'S 2 THINGS 1s INSTEAD OF A THING 1 AND 2 YOU MONSTER!!
Nocturne review when????
best Mainline game imo
PikslapGames Besides if..., both Devil Survivors and Soul Hackers had it and no one complained
Ashyson 780 True
Ashyson 780 guess youve only played one mainline game then
What's wrong with TMS#FE? I personally loved the combat system and concept, even if the story's execution was a little lackluster. I haven't finished it yet though...
I 100% agree with you on your opinion on Apocalypse though. This game was great.
Nocturne Reviewww when!?!??!?!?!?!
i love pokemon and shin megami tensei game only
Appealing to friggin normies, plz stop Atlus
Massacre ending is best
Nanashi Best waifu
smt 4 was fine the way it was. we didnt need this. we need 5.
smt4 itself didnt show the consequences of being neutral while smt4a does. smt4 showed how both chaos and law are equally flawed ideas despite how many qualities it has. neutrality feels like an easy way out and an easy option to take since all you had to do was not agree with anybody and only side with masakado's attempt to break the ceiling. smt4a shows how even if humans live in peace, they wont carve out their own path and will lead themselves down the road to destruction like the white said while even if humans ascend to godhood they'll be directionless and will probably misuse the power since humans are bound to repeat the same mistakes over and over again. which will probably recreate another smt4 depending on what nanashi does with the new universe with dagda's help.
Try to say as I said prior rather than above. U probably just forgot for a brief moment that it was ultimately gonna be a video rather than a word document.
If Megami Tensei were to explore themes of friendship I would want it to be a commentary on the selfishness of rebirthing the world while you and privileged people survive the destruction. Think of becoming a YHVH type character.
You mean Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor 2?
To me, this was the worst mainline game. Sure the gameplay was vastly improved but everything else that made the series what it is that separated it from everything else was lost in the process. The story especially felt like a bad fanfic. Especially due how filled it is with the strawman fallacy and anti individualism messages at every turn as well as the most basic of anime cliches, making the whole story come across as one long author tract. And the exposition, dear god the exposition. This game has never heard of the little thing called "show, don't tell".
The problem with the endings is that the game is completely built to favor the happy friendship ending, the other endings just come out of left field as a result, and that on top of them going out of their way in trying to point you out as a monster for going those routes.
matteste I think that was kind of the point especially if you look at Persona 5 which oddly is darker than this game this here was a bit of an experiment by Atlus and besides while it's mainline it's also technically a spin off like if... and Strange Journey, they can give such a game a happy ending if they want to because this isn't SMT V it's 2 additional endings to IV nothing else. I enjoyed it for what it was and understand what they were going for. Do you really want a game with choice in it that you're just going to use a walkthrough to get the alignment you want and complain when the charicter you like die in ending (X) or would you rather have the game just throw insane scenarios at you leave alignment up to a single choice and spoil you with eather the super happy ending some fans think they wanted while giving persona haters the most SMT, SMT ending ever! The moment you agreed to be Dagda's Godslayer you gave up the ability of choice as they show numerous times in the game. This game is a litteral satire and deconstruction of it's own franchise
matteste Also the cast here was better than the assholes of SMT 3 and 4's Alignment cardboard cutouts they remined me a lot of the Crew in Strange Journey and The Spookies from soul hackers. They felt like genuine friends who I was fighting alongside I say even more so than the Persona games as things feel a lot more tense and dangerous and I am anyoied with a certain cop out but that's a different discussion
To be bluntly honest, the characters from SMTIVA felt so flat and superficial that characters such as Chiaki and Zelenin felt like they had walked out of a Tolstoy novel by comparison.
Mattaste is an ignorant moronic hater. Ignore him.
To you, anyone who doesn't think exactly like you is an ignorant moronic hater. Yes your reputation precedes you.
Is it playable on 2ds?
Yes, and you're not missing out on anything. The 3d effect in most parts of this and SMT4 are pretty bad compared to other 3ds games.
edgy persona I would want this on switch
I disliked the partners because they talked way too much. The most aggravating part was when I would get into a fight, one round the enemies, and when I got out off battle one of the partners would remark about how the enemies are too strong.
Been wondering what all the anti-hype around this one is about, glad to hear its not as awful as it's made out to be. Also I don't find the map in SMT IV to be bad at all? Honestly don't know what people's issue with the map is.
Try playing this on Apocalypse difficulty and then come tell me about Hardcore SMT :3
Fe: Tokyo Drifts isnt even a game... its a happy sing time!
Can’t make it thru the review, blistering metal music too distracting and annoying
Very.
-_- Y U NO LIKE TMS#FE