How to Fight: The Soviet ATGMs Training Guide || Vintage US Army Video
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How to Fight: The Soviet ATGMs (Anti-Tank Guide Missiles).
Another Cold War Era US Army Training Video on how to fight the Soviets. The Soviet threat was a real thing during the 1950s to the 1980s for the United States. During these years, both Superpowers were involved in heated conflicts not with each other, but with other nations that supported the West or the East.
The Soviet ATGMs back then were a threat to US and NATO ground forces. The ATGMs were very effective in delivering anti-tank and personnel ground fire towards its foes.
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fun to watch these old training vids,but that was deadly serious buisness back then
Still is. Just ask the israeli tankers that got cooked in Lebanon.
2022 is gonna blow yo damn minds.
Tanker: What defence do I have if an Mi-24 appears with AT-6 Spiral missiles?
Officer: hmmm, to pray?
Pop smoke and take evasive action. Use whatever weapons you can to return fire.
@@05017351 So... pray. The Mi-24 has FLIR so popping smoke won't help you.
Mount Stinger missiles on turret...
@George Rome Forward Looking InfraRed.
@@Mephistophocles popping smoke is extremely effective against any infrared sights. you know they switched to IR blocking smoke since the end of ww2 right?
I remember these films. I was a stinger gunner/team chief from 1983-86.
It was probably in better quality at the time :)
I was in Swingfire around that time.
Swingfire was odd
@@tankolad hahahaha,never saw an Igla?
Why is it that all Americans have served? Just curious
Extremely interesting video,both because it gives some insight into how seriously U.S. Army planners & trainers took the Soviet ATGM threat and because its thoughts about counter-ATGM tactics have broader relevance for countering anti-tank/vehicle missiles in general (even today). Thanks for posting!
The military exercises in the Soviet Union was very rough and tough, they counted 10% loss of soldier's life when they exercise. Am a norwegian x-military and i've been on countless exercises for nato. Little later i went private and fought with russian soldiers as contractnik some year's ago, and for Russia. They had large scale war execs. Houndred thousands military personnel was common and thousands of tanks and armored vehicles, fighter jet's and bombers, i watched recordings of Soviet's mil. Exers. And that was something else than NATO's exercises, but it was fascinating to watch this large large wargaming, it truly was and still is
Actually ATGM threat is great. Still great, as AT-5 ATGM that appears in video become very successful to knock out even modern MBT's like M1A2 and Leopard 2. Back then, ATGMs was nightmare. Cheap, mass produced, and capable to annihilate force with size of hundreds of tanks.
@@GeirAndreTonning Soviet WW2 experience.
@@GeirAndreTonning incredible - they had such exercises, i knew they did that but your account is sobering. because it is the field, not the tabletop, where the small details of the human factors of large armored formations really count. they had a training advantage over NATO, then. if they attacked, theyd' have the advantage of having done the huge movements already and with the accumulated knowledge of problems of traffic control, sequencing, lines of sight, command limits, command delays, of in-person leadership, of sticking to a plan , etc
looks like I found a new favorite channel, thank god someone archived all of this
Ah yes, the fin stick.
My wife always makes fun of my fin stick.
I wonder what the Soviet NSN was for that particular CRUCIAL piece of equipment.
@@dakkahead517 I wonder if Soviet bmp gunners had to 550 cord the fin stick to their kit. Loss of such item would result in severe repercussions as vehicle would become combat ineffective.
@@astronak3333 I’m sure a bayonet and some extra reach would do the job
Brings back memories, good old cold war days
POKES OUT THE HOLE WITH A LITTLE STICK TO DEPLOY THE FINS ASDHJGASDGA IM DYING
soviet engineering at its finest...a little stick will do the job lol
That final little tap to adjust the last fin tho
Jonny B ... it won’t be done under fire. If you think it will then you failed to understand how the whole ATGM thing works. Sad ...
wouldn't be funny if that thing flew into your sjw ass
MFs whine about everything
Imagine losing that poke stick when in battle !
Have to use bare hands
Не переживайте так. В лесу много можно этих палок сделать..А русский солдат никогда дураком не был. 😂😂😂😂
Some can laugh on Soviet sticks but in the seventies to the mid eighties sagger ATMs actually had inflicted huge casualties to Israeli tanks especially in the Yom Kippur war in 1973
add to that the fact at the time NATO M-113s didn't have ATGMs to poke with a stick...
Sort of. They caused 10-25% of losses at best. The main AT weapon in 73 was the tank
@@becauseiwasinverted5222 Yes but giving the infantryman the ability to take out tanks from well beyond traditional infantry AT weapon range changed warfare forever.
back to 1973, those NATO Tank was doesn't had Smoke launcher, also, both side are still using same concept of tank mass attack, even Sagger do big damage, guess what? very soon, cut down by .50 cal and main gun fire, also artillery, as isreali found the way to countering, even your Sagger are MCLOS/MACLOS, that taking joystick controlling while missile was rolating in air torward the target, you think all of them was really success hit? guess not, depend factor & situation.
That's still pretty impressive, panzerfausts were considered revolutionary and an enormous threat in WWII and they were only responsible for a couple of percentage points@@becauseiwasinverted5222
You have awesome videos! Thank you.
Thanks a lot. nice. Thank you dear.
I wonder if the soviets had videos like this...
Yeah, they had.
yes, a lot
@@r2com641 anyplace on youtube where one can find them? (That's not hand to hand combat)
Oh yeah lot's of videos, and they counted 10% loss of soldier's life when they exercise that time. T
Oh sure, just with livelier music.
Thanks to Wargame: Red Dragon I knew most of this, including the troop's name.
I really like the intro in these videos
That's one comprehensive owerview
That's a funky beat, and I can bug out to it!!! Is the soundtrack available on Itunes?
I remember seeing the when I was stationed in West Germany in the late 80s.
I used to be in a Swingfire Troop (Striker) that was a good Anti Tank weapon against the Soviet threat.
What year is it? Judging by M1 Abrams appearance, it is the 1980s? Strangely, they seems didn't have information about BMP-2, Shturm-S (tracked AT-6 launcher vehicle), Metis (AT-7 Saxhorn).
+J Smith Intelligence wasn't always clear on these things at that time...
Or they had but didn't release woth this level of clearance.
Boo, look at old books and other literatures from your local library... Everything they writr aboute every grainy black and white or off color hidden camera photo or still from a crappy film reel has more opinion and speculation than any fact or even vaguely solid information.
Fact was that back then - their security was SO tight, it was impossible to KNOW everything about their weapons amd how thry behaved or were operated.
Knowing this, I marvel at how little we still don't get about their weapons and how we just assume they're mediocre or ineffective.
If syria has taught me anything, those soviet era tanks have BIG guns on them. They can punch a hole through a lot of things given a good gunner and the right ammo.
Their atgms are anything from at 3 to 6. They just rip shit apart.
Same thing Yemen - I cant fucking count how many images and videos I've seen of brand new mraps , hmmvs , asv, Abrams, and Bradley's I've seen just annihilated by old wireguided atgms and even shoulder fired / disposable RPG-29 'Vampire's
We never ran up against someone who could shoot back since vietnam.
Most info gained was from 3rd party users who had old ones dumped off on them. US almost never actually fought vehicles intended for current Russian armies.
Same in Russia's side.
Edit: Ground units anyway. Tonnes of air encounters though.
US intelligence services are actually some of the most incompetent on the planet.. So yea, everything they did know was generally outdated and based on partial information obtained via leaks.
I remember ROTC training back in Russian college. The main anti-tank weapon was the anti-tank helicopter. Chances of MBT+ATGM vs TOW-equipped Supercobra or Apachi were estimated at something like 1:15. This was confirmed in Iraq.
Since US tanks did not have ATGM capability and as elaborate SAM protection on the battlefield, it's chances against Mi-24 without Air Force protection were most probably effectively approaching zero.
US relies on their air force for most anti air mission, their doctrine doesnt need that many Sam system. Heli can be taken out by manpads or jets
In Iraqi I witnessed an Abrams take a direct hit form a sagger launched from an Iraqi hind. It survived only to be shot down by a stinger gunner. It really boils down to who is having a bad day.
Like that dhsk gunner that took a round to the head. poor him, I have been doing that since I was a kid. Whenever I would go deer hunting. Im lazy and hate to chase them down after a lung shot.
@@xaina222the US Air Force would have been nullified by the man pads and the various layers of Soviet ground -based fixed and tracked anti-air assets. From the shilka to the gopher to the gecko and gladiator, we would have taken huge losses trying to do close air support
@@decimated550 Not really, for example when Israel completely dismantled the Syrian air defenses in operation Mole Cricket 19, They first sent in a swarm of drones to trick the AA into turning on their radar and then hit them with antiradar missiles, 29 out of 30 air defense batteries were destroyed in a day.
Manpads are decent against helicopters but not much else
Soviet air defense are potent for sure, but its not the invincible shield they advertised it to be.
Good video, although they left out some important points for counter-ATGM tactics. A strong being the use of infantry to screen armored forces. The 2nd being that when encountering BMP or BRDM-2 mounted ATGM's, if they are within cannon range, any hit on those vehicles will result in a very large secondary explosions from the extra munitions on board those Russian vehicles.
Today the U.S. Army is only now barely starting to test "dazzlers" that jam the IR flare signals and laser guidance used on both wire guided and laser guided systems. Likewise active protection systems like the Trophy are still in testing stages with the U.S. Army dragging its feet screwing around with U.S. made prototypes and the USMC meanwhile now adopting the Trophy system that they are rushing into testing.
So currently the ground forces of the U.S. military remain woefully unprepared for this threat. Israeli experiences in 2006 against Hezbollah and the success of Islamic insurgents in Iraq and Syria with ATGM's against heavy armor (T-72, M1 Abrams, Leopard A2, M60A2, and Sabra Mk2 MBT's) indicate that the latest generation of tandem warhead ATGM's are an extremely severe threat to even the heaviest main battle tanks. Combine that with the threat of guided top-attack munitions from artillery and we have to face the fact that any war against a country like Russia or China, will likely result in extremely heavy casualties on the ground.
yep, they're killing m1a2's with the konkurs- don't even need a kornet if it's not a frontal armor hit.
I wonder why saddam never bought atgm's like the Iranians, Syrians, or Egyptians did, it would have made 91 a lot harder for the coalition, they were available long before the sanctions.
Your talking about tanks from the 80s. They were not designed to withstand ATGMs. The only modern tank today is T-14 and T-14 isnt battle ready yet.
Paciat yea but some other Russian tanks have also active protection system (the could mount them)
US fielded dazzlers some time ago. APS isn't all it's cracked out to be for the conventional battle.
@@michaelhoward7635 What's odd is that Saddam Hussein's Army DID have substantial amounts of ATGM's including Milans and various Russian ATGM's. But it's very strange that I never heard of any accounts from veterans of those ATGM's every being used. It's possible that we may have a jamming system that's very classified. Who knows.
*Kornet want to know your location*
I prefer a cornetto myself.
@@rock3tcatU233 hmmmm cornetto tasty now Imagine eating a kornet coming toward you at 500 feet per second
Would be interesting to see a comparison with nato atgm of the period.
Probability Of Hit Is 9 0 %,
DEGRADING SOMEWHAT IN A C T U A L C O M B A T .
Wish I knew the name of that intro song. The one that starts when the Soviets show up.
ruclips.net/video/UsUd7_Eo7j8/видео.html
I dint see many ways to counter the threat, more of a video on different ways you were going to be knocked out.
Welcome to Soviet missile tech.
i wonder what soviet training vids look like
Many military vehicles of US and NATO was being destroyed after collapse of Soviet in Afghanistan, Iraq and Middle East by ATGMs produced by Soviet/Russia, and Chinese copy. This guidelines is useful and effective for militias, rebels and other regular military forces.
Tow, javelin, and unguided carl gustaf missiles prove deadly in syria
is this video from the late 80s? The quality is worse than from Korean war
then who else, people unwilling save ue these old video? and what the hell you think good idea to make comparation bullshit of quality? video is video, that ain't stop me to watch.
He didn't talk about Tank launched Soviet ATGMs... Almost any tank, T55,T72,T64,T80,T90 can launch those 5km ATGMs because of the smooth bore design.
T55 didn't have that 125mm gun. Indeed, earlier versions of that gun (as used in early T64's and T72's, as well as the export versions of the 64, 72 and 80) also lacked the capability to launch ATGMs.
@@garethfairclough8715 There are upgraded T-55s with 100mm gun
missiles.
Much later versions. Much MUCH later.
@@garethfairclough8715 The T55AM had the Konkurs-missile launcher
@@garethfairclough8715 same first half of 80s as this video is. So not that much.
I'm gonna guess 1980, maybe 81...
If I was a tank commander of an M1 Abrams tank, and I came up on an ATGM crew, I'm screwed. I would tell my driver to find cover from it, and then tell my gunner to switch to the coax and lay down fire. Back then, tank warfare was at its finest.
good, at least even facing odds, then you still can fight back.
It’s not that old theres an abrams in it first one at 0:43 still a classic video maybe very late 70s
Since the Abrams was introduced in the 1980, I think this video was released the early to mid 80s
This is very much 80s
anyone knows what year its from?
1979
When was this made in the 80s?
Late 70s or early 80s; btw: you can see one of the first Abrams tank in here. So definitely in that time period.
@@funkrates4778 must be early 80s. Spotted a Kevlar helmet in the opening sequence
You would have thought they would have but springs on the fins of those saggers and a band around them that easily pulled off realeasing all 4 at once instead of poking about with a bloody divining rod...
90% of the video basically said that as a tanker you are fucked and the rest was just use your smoke canisters lmao
yeah, for your stupid mindset, cover and concealment, internet boi shit.
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O. 28 minute. Is it a Comanche?
Hind D.
I think it is. It's got that distinctive tail rotter.
The Hind does not have that kind of tail rotor. Other than the experimental US Comanche, the French Gazelle use the same design i believe
If you are talking about 0:28 that looks like a Blackhawk
The truth is that most anti tank team will strike your rear, so they let you pass and believing that there are no anti tank team around or while you are having a coffee break.
Year but that would have been mostly nato forces business.
And where did you learn that piece of useless information?
I attack the hoes from behind too
@@hmjt21 But that way you dont see teats. No good.
@@ShadeAKAhayate you haven't done it from behind on your misses have you ? Hmm ... the pounding of those plum asses ... you can grab those tits from behind..
Ready for front line infantry sir....👽
If the military still makes videos of this high calibre I will gladly pay more taxes!
2:50 waita minute, there was a guy reloading this? I must see that soon in wt
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They used metric?
I think so?
The US military uses the metric system, I assume it's for the better coordination with other NATO forces
For science and military they us NATO metrics, meaning metric units
Metric is just better that why for groups where it is important they use metric
The United States used metric since 1890s, everything they plan is in metric and then translated to the outdated Imperial System. The Route 66 that connects east and west coasts must have been planned in metric.
Supreme Soviet stick system!
LoL ... in another words there are no effective countermeasures that we can think of at the moment ... so just keep using those smokes boys and pray like hell ... !!!
wtf, a 105-mm abrams?
early M1's had the |British 105mm gun as fitted to late model centurions and leo 1's.
Yes, M-1 Abrams was equipped with the 105mm M-68 gun, same as fitted to the M-60A3. By the time the M-1A1 went into service, the original M-1s were transferred to the National Guard or rebuilt into M-1A1 and M-1A2 versions, which didn’t happen until the mid-1990s. A small number of M-1s saw action in Desert Storm, but the majority were M-1A1s.
@@FN_FAL_4_ever A1 was introduced in the 80s
Mi 24 hind appears!
Stingers: Democracy is not negotiable! mi24 dies 😂😂😂
Why showing this? I think this should be confidential.
This info is almost forty years old. Nothing on this vid is current. Even in the eighties, his info wasn't confidential. It was available to privates. Anyone could go to their battalion library to watch the VHS tapes.
Are you dumb
Notice how they don't talk about the BMP 2 or the Metis AT6, even though this video was made in the 80s. That information on the latest weapons systems would have been classified at the time.