One more thing worth mentioning is how good a weapon like draconic maul is in the right situation. For example; in a fight lasting 2 minutes you will optimally switch to the maul at the 90 second mark
Yep 100% good point! And there is probably quite a few fights in BWL lasting around that sort of time as well. When I do my BWL feral specific boss guide for maximising damage I’ll be sure to mention this once I get a good amount of data on what fights this method will work for. And of course I’ll credit you in the video for your continued valued feedback 😁
Scottejaye just an anecdote about bok: when I got my warrior to 60 in phase 1 before raiding I just used magnis ring from brd quest instead of fighting all the drama the other warriors did to get painweavers band. The difference is 2 attack power.. off topic: but contributing to raid assist or setting up rotations and bringing consumes aids a lot more than the difference between good and perfect gear.
Are we talking ‘feral’ gear or BEAR tank gear? As I understand it, a bear tank should not be putting raw AP gear on over agility and strength stats. More AP is beneficial as more damage equates to more threat, but when you have agility pieces you are getting AP, DODGE and more CRIT which generates rage with talents.
Any thoughts on other potential shoulder slots? I snagged DFT and Shadow Flame Boots, so i have this fantastic problem of being way over the hit cap! Currently at 11%, looking to possibly ditch Truestrikes. I know you mentioned Taut Dragonhide, any other possibilities?
Matt Johnston I would need to have a good look because the only ones I really checked out option wise was Taut Dragonhide, the ST shoulders of the tiger could maybe be an option and potentially be even better than the Taut ones but as I say I would need to have a propper look when I’m not at work 👍
Yep a very good belt tbh, so 28 agi we are talking 1.4% crit and 28 AP vs 14str/15agi, so incl hotw 16.8 str 33.6+15 from the agi = 48.6 and 0.75% crit so a loss of .65% crit for 20.6 AP. So to be fair it’s probably very very close but still cloudrunner pulls ahead ever so sleightly if you ain’t countering in survivability. Still a great option though!
I'll do each item individually then try to account for the 1% crit for the 3 piece. So the belt firstly compared to cloudrunner girdle is (including hotw and BoK) about a 17AP loss for .25% crit, so on its own cloudrunner still wins. The boots compared to shadowflame from Nef are not even comparable tbh, the 2% hit is invaluable and allows so much room to replace other pieces of gear. The shoulders are lovely and i actually want to replace true strike with them at some point. Then the 1% crit bonus, if we just basically put the 1% crit up against the 2% hit from the boots its a dps loss assuming you aren't hit capped. So overall and just in my opinion, not worth using but definitely worth considering the shoulders they are absolutely sick! The cape you could consider using but cloak of draconic might or even cloak of the black baron i personally would use over it, baron cape gives over half a percent more crit with BoK for 4 less AP and cloak of draconic might is cloak of draconic might :D
@@Scottejaye thank you very much for your time and reply! still on progression in BWL, Will have to settle for these but hopefully will be able to get the boots and cloak soon! :)
@@morganl8987 Awesome mate, good luck with the loot. I still need the cloak myself then my gear set is done until AQ so i can focus even more time on youtube :D
Just curious why your guild kills the spellbinders first instead of the warlocks? If you kill the warlocks fast enough they will not create those portals that summon the demons. From fellow feral friend Tygar :D
Tyler Kujawa Yea, I’ll be honest theres a lot we need to do differently in trash lol. As you can tell from the amount of deaths 😂 definitely makes sense 😁
Wait I’ve been racking my brains and I’m guessing you meant BOK! Which is a fantastic point to be fair, I’ve obviously done all this unbuffed just in cat form but with BOK this will push malfurions ahead by 2ap ish to out weigh the crit, so ABSOLUTELY viable and great point, only really relevant for alliance though but you’ve definitely gave me food for thought for the next bis video. Maybe we need a separate horde and alliance bis list.
You probably know the Classic Feral Cat Simulator: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uj_CNN3vr2wwKu_xEfrPjn22fHM_lnSzSkhTA5BakwY/edit#gid=1023299673 - It's pretty nice because it takes all the buffs/debuffs into account
@@jkoenen79 Yep, absolutely love Shedo's work! Its a great sim sheet! You are absolutely right though, there is less than 1 DPS between the chests. (going purely by my set up) so with BoK malfurions is about 0.4 DPS better, without BoK cadaverous is 0.7 DPS better. So extremely close and comes down to whether you are horde or alliance. Great feedback though, very much appreciated!
What did you think about the Breastplate of Bloodthirst? Looks very good to me. And is it worth to get Pvp Rang 10 for the blue set? Thanks for All your videos helped me alot!
Honestly I wouldn’t bother with bloodthirst; it’s just a massive loss of attack power vs cadaverous armour. The PVP chest is decent (ish) not really just on its own but if your gonna have the 2 set from using the chest then it’s probably worth it!
One more thing worth mentioning is how good a weapon like draconic maul is in the right situation. For example; in a fight lasting 2 minutes you will optimally switch to the maul at the 90 second mark
Yep 100% good point! And there is probably quite a few fights in BWL lasting around that sort of time as well. When I do my BWL feral specific boss guide for maximising damage I’ll be sure to mention this once I get a good amount of data on what fights this method will work for. And of course I’ll credit you in the video for your continued valued feedback 😁
Remember to keep BOK in mind when doing the AP vs crit comparison, and in general aswell.
Yea definitely 👍 there are a couple of items we have discussed now where they are actually slightly better than an alternative purely due to BOK 😁
Scottejaye just an anecdote about bok: when I got my warrior to 60 in phase 1 before raiding I just used magnis ring from brd quest instead of fighting all the drama the other warriors did to get painweavers band. The difference is 2 attack power.. off topic: but contributing to raid assist or setting up rotations and bringing consumes aids a lot more than the difference between good and perfect gear.
Are we talking ‘feral’ gear or BEAR tank gear?
As I understand it, a bear tank should not be putting raw AP gear on over agility and strength stats. More AP is beneficial as more damage equates to more threat, but when you have agility pieces you are getting AP, DODGE and more CRIT which generates rage with talents.
D Howison this is purely feral DPS mate 😁
Only cat gets AP from agi in classic, bear doesn't
Gangrel thx for clarifying
Any thoughts on other potential shoulder slots? I snagged DFT and Shadow Flame Boots, so i have this fantastic problem of being way over the hit cap! Currently at 11%, looking to possibly ditch Truestrikes. I know you mentioned Taut Dragonhide, any other possibilities?
Matt Johnston I would need to have a good look because the only ones I really checked out option wise was Taut Dragonhide, the ST shoulders of the tiger could maybe be an option and potentially be even better than the Taut ones but as I say I would need to have a propper look when I’m not at work 👍
Thoughts on Molten Belt? 28 agi is pretty nice for cats but definitely shines for bears
Yep a very good belt tbh, so 28 agi we are talking 1.4% crit and 28 AP vs 14str/15agi, so incl hotw 16.8 str 33.6+15 from the agi = 48.6 and 0.75% crit so a loss of .65% crit for 20.6 AP. So to be fair it’s probably very very close but still cloudrunner pulls ahead ever so sleightly if you ain’t countering in survivability. Still a great option though!
hi, any thoughts on whether the defiler set of cape+shoulders+belt+shoes is better than the current non-pvp bis?
I'll do each item individually then try to account for the 1% crit for the 3 piece. So the belt firstly compared to cloudrunner girdle is (including hotw and BoK) about a 17AP loss for .25% crit, so on its own cloudrunner still wins. The boots compared to shadowflame from Nef are not even comparable tbh, the 2% hit is invaluable and allows so much room to replace other pieces of gear. The shoulders are lovely and i actually want to replace true strike with them at some point. Then the 1% crit bonus, if we just basically put the 1% crit up against the 2% hit from the boots its a dps loss assuming you aren't hit capped. So overall and just in my opinion, not worth using but definitely worth considering the shoulders they are absolutely sick! The cape you could consider using but cloak of draconic might or even cloak of the black baron i personally would use over it, baron cape gives over half a percent more crit with BoK for 4 less AP and cloak of draconic might is cloak of draconic might :D
@@Scottejaye thank you very much for your time and reply! still on progression in BWL, Will have to settle for these but hopefully will be able to get the boots and cloak soon! :)
@@morganl8987 Awesome mate, good luck with the loot. I still need the cloak myself then my gear set is done until AQ so i can focus even more time on youtube :D
Just curious why your guild kills the spellbinders first instead of the warlocks? If you kill the warlocks fast enough they will not create those portals that summon the demons. From fellow feral friend Tygar :D
Tyler Kujawa Yea, I’ll be honest theres a lot we need to do differently in trash lol. As you can tell from the amount of deaths 😂 definitely makes sense 😁
Doesn't Malfurions Blessed Bulwark become better than Cadaverous with SDK?
Julien Koenen hey, you are going to have to educate me 😁 what’s SDK? Not an acronym I’m familiar with.
Wait I’ve been racking my brains and I’m guessing you meant BOK! Which is a fantastic point to be fair, I’ve obviously done all this unbuffed just in cat form but with BOK this will push malfurions ahead by 2ap ish to out weigh the crit, so ABSOLUTELY viable and great point, only really relevant for alliance though but you’ve definitely gave me food for thought for the next bis video. Maybe we need a separate horde and alliance bis list.
@@Scottejaye Yes, Blessing of Kings! Sorry about that - I guess I'm too used to the german Acronym (Segen der Könige ;)
You probably know the Classic Feral Cat Simulator: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uj_CNN3vr2wwKu_xEfrPjn22fHM_lnSzSkhTA5BakwY/edit#gid=1023299673 - It's pretty nice because it takes all the buffs/debuffs into account
@@jkoenen79 Yep, absolutely love Shedo's work! Its a great sim sheet! You are absolutely right though, there is less than 1 DPS between the chests. (going purely by my set up) so with BoK malfurions is about 0.4 DPS better, without BoK cadaverous is 0.7 DPS better. So extremely close and comes down to whether you are horde or alliance. Great feedback though, very much appreciated!
What did you think about the Breastplate of Bloodthirst? Looks very good to me.
And is it worth to get Pvp Rang 10 for the blue set?
Thanks for All your videos helped me alot!
Honestly I wouldn’t bother with bloodthirst; it’s just a massive loss of attack power vs cadaverous armour. The PVP chest is decent (ish) not really just on its own but if your gonna have the 2 set from using the chest then it’s probably worth it!
@@Scottejaye big thanks !
Tobias Müller anytime mate, sorry I was a bit slow getting back to you 👍
@@Scottejaye doesnt matter if some days or 3 weeks... my druid hit 32 jesterday ^^ but already whatched all videos and prepare a bit:D thanks again
@@darkrinn7799 Awesome mate, good luck on the levelling! :)
is there an updated discord invite?
I’ll sort it now, I’m sure I set it to not expire but I must be going mad!
discord.gg/nZBXur
@@Scottejaye got it now thanks! just joined as Fuzzydice
Go Change brb for hoj