I think this scenario is the perfect example of why you need to cross-reference your sources if you're doing research. It's also a good example that sometimes content creators can get some stuff seriously wrong and their opinions shouldn't be taken as gospel truth. I've used quite a few actives that "don't work" according to RUclipsrs/dermatologists but they've done wonders for MY skin. So sis, if vitamin C (pour example) worked for you, keep it. Just do so being safe, wise, and well-researched through channels like these. Thanks for your awesome content, Michelle :) It's helped me tons to make informed decisions!
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience Hi , I’m new in your channel and are very impress by your amazing knowledge , I do have some questions for you and would love to know how I can get in contact in private with you . Thank you so much . Thank you so much
I don't know why your videos about cosmetics don't get more views (as opposed to Hyram or Cassandra B) because you are an authority in your field (you know...with a phd ).
I came to this channel from James Welsh, such a sweetie. I'm loving it so far! I think this channel is not as popular as the other 2 because Michelle speaks a lot of sense and is not chickbaity lol
This was the kindest "Yes, but no, and yes but also no, and hey lemme clear this one up for everyone" type of video ive ever seen. Videos like this make me very happy the scientific communities on here are so nice about discrepancies in fields they see in videos by someone trying to reach out and look into the science of their work!
To say that the ingredients are not the whole story, is like telling someone to go eat a hamburger at McDonald's because their ingredients may not kill them ... That context has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OF INTELLIGENCE OR COMMON SENSE.
@@kellyortiz367 Dude we didn't say they don't matter at all but you just can't truly understand if a product will "work" or not just by looking at the ingredients list. Formulation is key
Yea I like him him but facts😂 his entire channel is based around him basing his (unqualified) opinion on just the ingredients list and hating fragrance. He’s entertaining so I just watch him for fun😊
@@kellyortiz367 that's so... Not what she said. She said ingredients list can be misleading since they only name ingredients, but not concentration. So when the guys in the video assumed one product would work better because the active ingredient was higher on the list, she said they were wrong to assume, since the other product could very well have a higher concentration, and therefore work better.
I’m happy you defended vitamin C. Dr Dray, like ASAPscience, also says vitamin C is ineffective. However, I find it to be an exceptional product in my skincare regimen and I see a notable difference in the appearance of my skin when I use it on a regular basis. Also, thank you for creating this content for us skincare nerds. We appreciate all the hard work that goes into the making of your videos.
Not shading that channel in particular but I believe there's a big issue in the scicomm world where some believe that because they're a Scientist™ they are already entitled to preach about any Science™ topic even if it's not remotely their field of expertise lol. I'm a biotechnologist and you won't see me making posts about quantum physics!
No, but isn't it good if a biologists are breaking out from biology and going into different fields to get more information about various topics? I mean..its not restricted to a person and as long as the person is not claiming to be an 'expert' after just reading a few articles, it should be fine....
@@nightmare9597 I agree! That's what I meant by "preach" - it's great to introduce yourself and your audience to new topics, but please don't try to actually sound like you're an expert if you're not 100% sure that you're not putting out misleading information.
Two minutes into watching their video I was sure that the 'only product that works' will be retinol. But what shocked me was that they picked a glycerine moisturiser over a vitamin C serum, which have different functions and claims and can't be compared (in my opinion). Thanks for doing this video I hope it will make them retract or remedy their misleading points.
I don't understand how they can say that there is an "only" face cream that works. I guess it depends on the definition of "works". Because I have found that glycolic acid reduces the appearance of lines on my forehead, azelaic and salicylic acid help prevent inflammatory responses to environmental stressors that cause my skin to flush, moisturisers stop my skin from becoming tight and dry, sunscreen prevents burning and cell damage. I think any skincare nerd would be like "huh" about the inclusion of peptides as an ingredient that will "work" for anti-aging. If we are taking a completely rational approach then really we should assume that they are mainly humectants. Using them for "anti-aging" seems to be more of a gamble. I would think that if we are talking about what "works" for "anti-aging" it would be sunscreen and tretinoin. Vitamin C isn't a drug so there is no sure way to confirm it works in any given product. Glycolic acid is more of a superficial fix for lines by thinning the stratum corneam but with consistent use surely that is desirable. Hydrated, exfoliated skin in general looks more youthful. And skin free of pigmentation also so really we could include the tyrosinase inhibitors as "anti-aging" that works. Peptides would be on my list probably, but not high up and I wouldn't prioritise high concentrations of glycerin
yeah agree with Yeetus. Speaking in reductive hyperbole gets you those clicks. :( it’s unfortunate. That attitude permeates our political discussions as well.
They mean scientifically proven, as tretinoin/retinoic acid is the only ingredient that is scientifically proven to ''anti-age'' but there has been signs and studies that have shown adapalene improves the appearance of aging, but it is not ''scientifically proven''
As someone who has been following ASAP Science for nearly a decade, I have to say I was pretty disappointed in that video. It was “click-baity” and poorly researched, which is ironic, to say the least, considering their video was supposed to be “debunking myths.” Honestly, it just really put me off their channel in general. Your response, on the other hand, not only shows the breadth and depth of your knowledge but also what how thoughtful and kind you are! It’s so lovely to see your channel grow, too! Keep up the good work! 🥰
I felt exactly the same way. The video got recommended to me but I didn't even bother watching because of this click-baity title. When I saw Michelle's react video I clicked right away!
Same here! I’m skincare junkie and enthusiast. I found a lot of things they said that were not completely right or wrong. Makes me question the other videos and how they might have poorly searched those subjects as well.
I love their work! I think one of the problems is that there aren't really any comprehensive textbooks or authoritative organisations where the science of skincare is thoroughly researched and clearly laid out - partly because most skincare is massively underresearched in academia, and the regulatory situation is so murky. So there are a lot of nuances and grey areas that take a lot of time to unearth... I feel like I've unlearned more stuff than I've learned! 😅
Lab Muffin Beauty Science I believe dr Leslie baumann has written a few textbooks on cosmetic dermatology and one on cosmetic ingredients. I’d be interested to know if you’ve read any of them and find them useful.
I love them too but they have quite a few of poorly researched videos. You can't fully understand a complex topic by reading a single book and couple of most popular studies only.
Can you do a video talking about medical grade skincare? Like the lines like Obaji and Skinceuticals that are sold only at medical esthetician offices or dermatology offices. Are these products actually superior to products you can buy at places like Sephora? Do they have stronger ingredients? I’ve heard mixed answers on this topic.
I hope you don’t mind if I respond ? I have been a holistic master esthetician for over thirty years. Medical grade skin care is a marking term. The only medical grade skin care, is something that a doctors actually prescribes. No these products are no better than a good antioxidant skin care made with great ingredients that can actually help your skin. Many of these products are actually very intense for the skin. Dr Obaji for example made his products to be used before peels and facelifts and invasive procedures. They burn and lighten and many times the skin is overly abused. The skin is the largest organ of the body and we need to be gentle and natural. I hope this helped. Just some extra skin care love. 🍑Lisa Peaches Skin Care
There is no such animal as "medical grade" skincare. As Lab Muffin mentioned the categories for skincare are drugs or cosmeceuticals meaning they can be purchased without a prescription. That's it. Call a product "medical grade" and selling through a dermatologist or licensed aesthetician allows a company to greatly increase the price regardless of the efficacy of the product. Dont fall for the hype.
Ginger Tunstall yes I’ve heard many people say this but then some doctors and esthetician’s still swear that their “medical grade” products are better. I know they are technically still otc products but I still think it’d be an interesting video for her to do!
ccap3211 As I said I’m a holistic master esthetician with three skin care salons and there is no such thing as “ medical grade skin care.” Only what a Dr can prescribe. It’s a marketing term. 🍑Lisa
I'm not into cosmetics, really, my routine is very simple compared to a lot of other women as I only use 3 products each morning and evening (the same ones), but I have to say that using a vitamin C serum did absolute miracles on my face. I'm a skeptic, I really didn't expect much from it, but my pigmented patches left by acne are pretty much gone after using the serum for 3 months. And I'm sure it was the vitamin C, because I've been using the same toner and moisturiser for years, this is the only new product.
I’ve been surprisingly thrilled that wearing a mask all day has reduced the wrinkles around my mouth. I have extremely dry skin - and my worst wrinkles have always been around my mouth. Because the mask is holding in moisture all day - as well as preventing dry air from drying out my skin .. I’m finding my wrinkles are greatly reduced.
@@Stephanie-rt3do Different masks - silk and Uniqlo Airism have been great for me! Silk is a bit stuffier but that's actually quite nice when it's cold.
@@CodeSNSD Compared to ingredients that are regulated as drugs it might be, but compared to other non-drug ingredients it's far better researched, especially for pigmentation which is important for POC. As mentioned in this video it's regulated as a quasi-drug in Japan... if you insist on only using ingredients with more evidence behind them than vitamin C, you're basically stuck with tretinoin/adapalene/tazarotene, salicylic acid and benzoyl peroxide...
@@CodeSNSD I think the context of her Dr. Dray's video on why she doesn't use vitamin c iss because she didnt find enough evidence that supports vitamin c working for her specific skin needs or that she is already using other products with ingredients that work better for, again, her specific needs. However, on her video about which ingredients work for hyper pigmentation, she mentions vitamin c.
Vitamin c irritated the crap out of my skin, I did see glowing skin and fading of some spots but the irritation even with moisturizer caused me to break out and also the stickiness/film it left on my skin was undesirable.
@@rayradiance666 Like everything else, not all vitamin C's are the same. I've never used a vit C product that left a film so obviously consistency depends on specific product. But, not all skincare is for everyone
Thank you. I was upsetti spaghetti that they went in by themselves instead of inviting literally any popular dermatologist on youtube or any science based beauty youtuber
It also varies wildly between people. Vitamin C works really well for some people, and really helps them with things like lightening dark spots / hyperpigmentation. I've tried so many different formulations, and none of them have made any discernable difference, for me. Niacinamide, though, works fantastically for me, but some people notice little effect or even have adverse reactions to it. I've actually reversed a frown line on my forehead that was previously permanently visible. It's not, anymore. 🤨 I've also noticed that I don't have to work as hard to cover my enlarged pores! I don't know if it has actually "shrunk" them, because that's supposed to be impossible... but they've become less noticeable and much easier to smooth out with primer. 🤷🏻♀️ I don't know how or why, but it has done things for me that both retinoids and tretinoin, vitamin C, and all kinds of chemical exfoliants couldn't. I'm in Canada, so prescription tretinoin is actually less expensive than most mid-ranged retinoids, so I continue to use it. It does help me, but the changes caused by adding niacinamide to my routine have been profound! Considering that drugs of all kinds can have drastically different reactions when used by different people, it's not entirely surprising that skincare drugs (cosmetics, legally) work differently on different people, too.
As a med student soon-to-be derm resident, I love how clear you explain these concepts. Do you have any recommendations on textbooks about cosmetic chemistry and dermatology?
Not labmuffn but she does have an ebook on her site about basic skin care ingredients which is affordable but I have not read it yet because I am busy. Lol Dr Leslie Baumann also sells cosmetic derm textbook if I am not mistaken.
JAAD ''Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology'' and the one that covers medicine as a whole is: JAMA ''Journal of the American Medical Association''
OOOoOOOH LAB MUFFIN IS FAST WITH THIS RESPONSE!!! "It's actually really exciting for me to do a response to a video that's made by science nerds, because usually it's something like five minutes crafts" the unintentional read 😳
I was hoping someone from this side of RUclips would do a reaction to that video. I don't know much about skincare but watching your (and a few other people's) science based skincare videos definitely made me raise my eyebrows at some of their claims. I do love ASAP Science but this kind of thing is why I prefer science channels with narrower scopes, they try to cover a broad range of topics and can sometimes get a bit sloppy.
The thing that's kinda concerning for me is how they mainly focus on one book I hope that the misconception won't be a new myth spreading across the world Thank you for educating us in this video! I really appreaciate how you include illustrations and some studies-quote in this video-i mean as you always do- :"))
Thank you for making this! I think the most shocking part of that video to me was the "absolute" terminology. 100% useless? I'm uh... not used to scientists speaking in this way!
Another great video! I didn't watch the @AsapSCIENCE video. To be honest, I'm a bit sick of the beauty industry bashing videos, especially made by people who admit they don't use any cosmetics. Don't get me wrong, I am all for scientifically based, honest beauty marketing; but I feel there are so many other industries that use "green" or "clean" washing to sell products, that are never put through the wringer like cosmetics (health supplements, recyclable packaging, organic food etc). I also agree that there is so much more to a product than just the ingredient list. For example, I am useless in the kitchen. My sister however is a domestic goddess. Give us both eggs, flour, sugar and cocoa and I will give you brown mess - my sister will bake a glorious cake! It's another reason I don't watch channels like Hyram. Making videos that run through ingredients lists are not giving any useable or helpful information (unless you are allergic to something).
I agree - I think it's because beauty is seen as frivolous, like so many other areas that are predominantly female. There are lots of very pseudosciencey but male-dominated areas that don't get dismissed the same way like bodybuilding, high-end audio, cars...
I had a feeling the ASAP video was just pseudo-science clickbait. It reminded me a lot of how Game Theory videos are structured : cool visuals with sprinkles of science to give the appearance of legitimate claims, but riddled with fundamental flaws. Thank you for confirming my initial suspicions.
Lab Muffin Beauty Science absolutely!! Please also talk about why it is better to have ingredients in toner/serum or moisturizer. Eg is vitamin C better in a serum or moisturizer? Is glycolic acid better in cleanser than serum?
@@OxundHeiner That's the exact same reason I was put off them and eventually stopped following them a few years ago. They made a poorly-researched video in an area of my speciality that included common misconceptions in the field. That clued me in on the superficiality of their research. Then there were more and more holes. I know it's possible to make videos on a wide variety of science topics, but the sciences are too vast to presume you can make quality content on _any_ field on your own.
Two years ago they made a video about Adderall. As someone who has ADHD and is on stimulants, I went in hoping for some interesting information. Instead they spent half the video comparing it to meth. I was done with their channel after that.
I love your video, thank you! I was watching it and thinking, what about AHAs, BHA, PHAs, Azelaic Acid, Niacinamide, Urea, Colloidal oats, Licorice root, Ceramides, etc.? Retinoids are also not suitable for everyone. They can be very irritating for people with eczema or rosacea for example. It’s really not that Black and White. I have many clients whose skin condition improved significantly, simply by choosing a right cleanser, moisturizer and sunscreen.
I searched for vitamin C diy serum over Google, landed on your page and the brilliant way you explained it made me search you over RUclips. What a worth subscription. You're simply DA best ! Thanks ! Big cheers from India 🇮🇳
I'm so curious about silicone sheeting and the idea of sealing in moisture or water with petroleum jelly. I hope she dives deeper into it in the future! This could finally be the scar fading solution I've been looking for 😭
I'm 52 years old and I've come rather late to the anti-aging skincare party, but upon the advice from LabMuffin and Dr. Dray I started using a thin coat (a little does a lotta good) of petroleum jelly regularly on my sun damaged chest and shoulders, and after a glycolic peel on my face. In a short time (few months) I've seen a dramatic difference in the hydration level of my chest and shoulders, as well as faster healing time from glycolic peels (less redness). If I want a bare skin look I use sunscreen and Avon Silicone Glove (has a bit of grip) with concealer. Everyone's skin is different but these inexpensive products have been a game changer for me.
I love the way you presented your information, it really feels like a professional essay. It helped me grasp some of the concepts in my current English class!
Another great video! I didn't watch the @AsapSCIENCE video. To be honest, I'm a bit sick of the beauty industry bashing videos, especially made by people who admit they don't use any cosmetics. Don't get me wrong, I am all for scientifically based, honest beauty marketing; but I feel there are so many other industries that use "green" or "clean" washing to sell products, that are never put through the wringer like cosmetics (health supplements, recyclable packaging, organic food etc). I also agree that there is so much more to a product than just the ingredient list. For example, I am useless in the kitchen. My sister however is a domestic goddess. Give us both eggs, flour, sugar and cocoa and I will give you brown mess - my sister will bake a glorious cake! It's another reason I don't watch channels like Hyram. Making videos that run through ingredients lists are not giving any useable or helpful information (unless you are allergic to something).
I watched their video and was immediately skeptical because they said they mainly based it on one book and was hoping you'd react to it. Thank you, as always, for another educational video that's easy to understand.
This is an excellent video and just goes to illustrate how even science people can have different interpretations but it takes someone with more study and experience in this subject matter to discuss the "truth" (per current scientific consensus).
Another misinformation is running among the skincare community is that TEWL is a bad thing we need to avoid and fight. Trans epidermal water loss is a an essential physiological process and is not going to hurt our skin unless there is an impairment.
it was the enlarging to superoxide dismutase for me your videos and information are precious, Michelle, what I like about them is that you try to be as impartial as possible
The only conclusion I can get to is that skin care is so complex and I'm pretty sure tons of corps are only there to milk money and capitalize on people's insecurities. Especially when it comes to acne treatment. It's so infuriating and unfair to know that as someone born with genetics that leads to acne prone skin, I have to sit and consume all these information, learn about which products to use and be patient for the results while fighting the insecurity and trying to save up money so I can buy more products and treatments that might work. So fucking ridie
michelleee could you do a video on post workout skincare? how am i supposed to cleanse my skin after a breakout so i dont break out? wouldnt using a cleanser be too stripping if i workout in the middle of the day since i have to cleanse in the morning and evening too? thank youu ❤️
Thank you for talking about the order of the ingredients in the ingredient list and how the order does not necessarily indicate high/low concentration! There are several "skincare channels" here on YT that depend on this and dismiss or praise a product mostly based on the order of appearance of a certain key ingredient on the list and it makes me cringe lol. Other than the explanation you mentioned, another situation where this ordering of ingredients is not exactly telling of the product is the Oat So Simple Water Cream, where the star ingredient oat extract appear at the the end of the list. Many people criticized the product because of this, but this was only because water was legally required to be listed separately from the oats. I wish more skincare companies were transparent in the concentration of their product ingredients and explained their reasoning for the inclusioj of these ingredients and the respective concentrations.
you say read the ingredient list, well there is no governing body for accountability, no regulation as to the quality, age, or amount of the ingredients in these products
Can you talk about why the Thai products with sheep placenta and other things are so effective? I am scared to use it at all but my friends talk about how it completely vanished their spots and marks, and I have actually seen that change on their skin. I find it very difficult to believe that it works wonders and IS SAFE. These products include: sheep placenta soaps or creams, specific thai papaya soaps, stem cell gluta, some other very cheap stuffs in the similar line. 🤷♀️
Thank you for this video. Frankly a lot of their videos are poorly researched but they speak with authority that people don’t doubt. This causes a lot of misconceptions
Thank you for this very detailed scientific analysis. I struggle with reading and analyzing the ingredient list since there's so much it doesn't tell you.
Has anyone commented on how wonderfully you've coordinated the background colors and your make up colors with the colors in your blouse? This is the first video of your that I've watched, so I don't know if this is a happy coincidence or if you are a color genius!
If I may? I'd add the main thing an ingredient list may help you do is avoid something you know you react negatively to. Which is still no substitute for patch testing! Lol, I think I care about that subject.😆 Thanks for this great post. I truly appreciated your very principled and professional approach to screening their vid. Be well ♡
Omg... I'm a beauty loving nerd and I've found my home 🤗🤗🤗🤓🤓🤓 I love this channel. I like asap science and they're great, but they should have collabed on this one
Love this video! Thanks for all the great info. Would love to see a video that gets deeper into tretinoin. Like, is it more effective on bare skin, or is it as effective layered over other products? How much more effective are higher concentrations for anti-aging? How many days per week using it is ideal for the most benefit?
Now THIS is a proper reaction video. Thank you for EDUCATING us and not just making weird faces 😂
Amen!
EXACTLY!
SHADE
YES!!!
Someone called out Cassandra 😂🤣
I think this scenario is the perfect example of why you need to cross-reference your sources if you're doing research. It's also a good example that sometimes content creators can get some stuff seriously wrong and their opinions shouldn't be taken as gospel truth. I've used quite a few actives that "don't work" according to RUclipsrs/dermatologists but they've done wonders for MY skin. So sis, if vitamin C (pour example) worked for you, keep it. Just do so being safe, wise, and well-researched through channels like these. Thanks for your awesome content, Michelle :) It's helped me tons to make informed decisions!
So grateful that a sophisticated scientist like you is on this platform! 👩🏻🔬
can we just acknowledge how shiny michelles hair looks? its binding, calm down
Thanks! Just in time for me to bleach the crap out of it in a couple of weeks 😉
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo!
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience Huh? Really?
Great video, thank you!
A little over my head but I understood the just of it but there really was no conclusion to what you thought about his product
great video
moisturizing makes my whole routine work, and it obviously has a positive impact over time
Thank you for clarifying and educating!!! Loved this reaction video
Thank you Liah!
Love both of you gurls
Omg Hi Queen
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience Hi , I’m new in your channel and are very impress by your amazing knowledge , I do have some questions for you and would love to know how I can get in contact in private with you . Thank you so much . Thank you so much
I don't know why your videos about cosmetics don't get more views (as opposed to Hyram or Cassandra B) because you are an authority in your field (you know...with a phd ).
Agree!!! I also cringe when they H and C, react to skincare routine of a dermatologist. I meannnnnn
@@Cat-jj4cr I mostly cringe at H bc C is pretty educated and knows what she's talking about
Cause they white
I came to this channel from James Welsh, such a sweetie. I'm loving it so far! I think this channel is not as popular as the other 2 because Michelle speaks a lot of sense and is not chickbaity lol
@@M3MOYY the truth have been told
when they base their entire video on the overall skincare realm on ONE book, I'm already getting a bit sceptical...
Ikr
I'm really glad you bought up the fact that POC are more concerned with other factor, over wrinkles.
My dad is basically one giant freckle at this point and my aunts have all gotten pigment lasered off, it's impossible to forget 😭
This was the kindest "Yes, but no, and yes but also no, and hey lemme clear this one up for everyone" type of video ive ever seen. Videos like this make me very happy the scientific communities on here are so nice about discrepancies in fields they see in videos by someone trying to reach out and look into the science of their work!
"Ingredients list doesn't tell the whole story"
Hyram : *shaking in his seat*
To say that the ingredients are not the whole story, is like telling someone to go eat a hamburger at McDonald's because their ingredients may not kill them ... That context has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OF INTELLIGENCE OR COMMON SENSE.
@@kellyortiz367 Dude we didn't say they don't matter at all but you just can't truly understand if a product will "work" or not just by looking at the ingredients list. Formulation is key
Yea I like him him but facts😂 his entire channel is based around him basing his (unqualified) opinion on just the ingredients list and hating fragrance. He’s entertaining so I just watch him for fun😊
@@kellyortiz367 that's so... Not what she said. She said ingredients list can be misleading since they only name ingredients, but not concentration. So when the guys in the video assumed one product would work better because the active ingredient was higher on the list, she said they were wrong to assume, since the other product could very well have a higher concentration, and therefore work better.
@@nairabee245 Absolutely concur. I'm finding his channel problematic as It's change into personality, collabs and tiktokers
I’m happy you defended vitamin C.
Dr Dray, like ASAPscience, also says vitamin C is ineffective. However, I find it to be an exceptional product in my skincare regimen and I see a notable difference in the appearance of my skin when I use it on a regular basis.
Also, thank you for creating this content for us skincare nerds. We appreciate all the hard work that goes into the making of your videos.
I was so disappointed when I saw that video, I left a comment telling people to check out your channel if they wanted real skincare advice 💖💖
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I read your response...and here I am! :)
Why were you disappointed? She didn't say their video provided misinformation; she just provided more details on their findings but generally agreed.
but shes not a dermatologist either and she wasnt disagreeing, she was just providing more context and information.
your comment is why I'm here!
Not shading that channel in particular but I believe there's a big issue in the scicomm world where some believe that because they're a Scientist™ they are already entitled to preach about any Science™ topic even if it's not remotely their field of expertise lol. I'm a biotechnologist and you won't see me making posts about quantum physics!
This reminded me of DOCTOR Barbara strum products
No, but isn't it good if a biologists are breaking out from biology and going into different fields to get more information about various topics? I mean..its not restricted to a person and as long as the person is not claiming to be an 'expert' after just reading a few articles, it should be fine....
@@nightmare9597 I agree! That's what I meant by "preach" - it's great to introduce yourself and your audience to new topics, but please don't try to actually sound like you're an expert if you're not 100% sure that you're not putting out misleading information.
Im studying biotech rn and while it is diverse, I am not going to make posts about skincare because it has nothing to do with it
@Romanticide I was talking about ASAP Science, not Michelle
Two minutes into watching their video I was sure that the 'only product that works' will be retinol. But what shocked me was that they picked a glycerine moisturiser over a vitamin C serum, which have different functions and claims and can't be compared (in my opinion). Thanks for doing this video I hope it will make them retract or remedy their misleading points.
I don't understand how they can say that there is an "only" face cream that works. I guess it depends on the definition of "works". Because I have found that glycolic acid reduces the appearance of lines on my forehead, azelaic and salicylic acid help prevent inflammatory responses to environmental stressors that cause my skin to flush, moisturisers stop my skin from becoming tight and dry, sunscreen prevents burning and cell damage. I think any skincare nerd would be like "huh" about the inclusion of peptides as an ingredient that will "work" for anti-aging. If we are taking a completely rational approach then really we should assume that they are mainly humectants. Using them for "anti-aging" seems to be more of a gamble. I would think that if we are talking about what "works" for "anti-aging" it would be sunscreen and tretinoin. Vitamin C isn't a drug so there is no sure way to confirm it works in any given product. Glycolic acid is more of a superficial fix for lines by thinning the stratum corneam but with consistent use surely that is desirable. Hydrated, exfoliated skin in general looks more youthful. And skin free of pigmentation also so really we could include the tyrosinase inhibitors as "anti-aging" that works. Peptides would be on my list probably, but not high up and I wouldn't prioritise high concentrations of glycerin
Gotta get the clicks :/
yeah agree with Yeetus. Speaking in reductive hyperbole gets you those clicks. :( it’s unfortunate. That attitude permeates our political discussions as well.
They mean scientifically proven, as tretinoin/retinoic acid is the only ingredient that is scientifically proven to ''anti-age'' but there has been signs and studies that have shown adapalene improves the appearance of aging, but it is not ''scientifically proven''
@@riof.7947 how are peptides scientifically proven though?
@@moose8762 Where did i say peptides?
As someone who has been following ASAP Science for nearly a decade, I have to say I was pretty disappointed in that video. It was “click-baity” and poorly researched, which is ironic, to say the least, considering their video was supposed to be “debunking myths.” Honestly, it just really put me off their channel in general.
Your response, on the other hand, not only shows the breadth and depth of your knowledge but also what how thoughtful and kind you are! It’s so lovely to see your channel grow, too! Keep up the good work! 🥰
I felt exactly the same way. The video got recommended to me but I didn't even bother watching because of this click-baity title. When I saw Michelle's react video I clicked right away!
Same here! I’m skincare junkie and enthusiast. I found a lot of things they said that were not completely right or wrong. Makes me question the other videos and how they might have poorly searched those subjects as well.
very well put
ASAP Science is usually a great channel, but this was poorly executed.
Exactly
I love their work! I think one of the problems is that there aren't really any comprehensive textbooks or authoritative organisations where the science of skincare is thoroughly researched and clearly laid out - partly because most skincare is massively underresearched in academia, and the regulatory situation is so murky. So there are a lot of nuances and grey areas that take a lot of time to unearth... I feel like I've unlearned more stuff than I've learned! 😅
Lab Muffin Beauty Science I believe dr Leslie baumann has written a few textbooks on cosmetic dermatology and one on cosmetic ingredients. I’d be interested to know if you’ve read any of them and find them useful.
I love them too but they have quite a few of poorly researched videos. You can't fully understand a complex topic by reading a single book and couple of most popular studies only.
@@wendyfrech7863 I've read them but it was a few years ago so I can't remember what I thought of them unfortunately! I remember liking them...
As a pharmacology phd and skincare lover I just wanna say that I love your videos and how you cite scientific articles!
Can you do a video talking about medical grade skincare? Like the lines like Obaji and Skinceuticals that are sold only at medical esthetician offices or dermatology offices. Are these products actually superior to products you can buy at places like Sephora? Do they have stronger ingredients? I’ve heard mixed answers on this topic.
I second this
I hope you don’t mind if I respond ?
I have been a holistic master esthetician for over thirty years. Medical grade skin care is a marking term. The only medical grade skin care, is something that a doctors actually prescribes.
No these products are no better than a good antioxidant skin care made with great ingredients that can actually help your skin. Many of these products are actually very intense for the skin. Dr Obaji for example made his products to be used before peels and facelifts and invasive procedures. They burn and lighten and many times the skin is overly abused. The skin is the largest organ of the body and we need to be gentle and natural.
I hope this helped. Just some extra skin care love. 🍑Lisa Peaches Skin Care
There is no such animal as "medical grade" skincare. As Lab Muffin mentioned the categories for skincare are drugs or cosmeceuticals meaning they can be purchased without a prescription. That's it. Call a product "medical grade" and selling through a dermatologist or licensed aesthetician allows a company to greatly increase the price regardless of the efficacy of the product. Dont fall for the hype.
Ginger Tunstall yes I’ve heard many people say this but then some doctors and esthetician’s still swear that their “medical grade” products are better. I know they are technically still otc products but I still think it’d be an interesting video for her to do!
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As I said I’m a holistic master esthetician with three skin care salons and there is no such thing as “ medical grade skin care.” Only what a Dr can prescribe. It’s a marketing term. 🍑Lisa
I'm not into cosmetics, really, my routine is very simple compared to a lot of other women as I only use 3 products each morning and evening (the same ones), but I have to say that using a vitamin C serum did absolute miracles on my face. I'm a skeptic, I really didn't expect much from it, but my pigmented patches left by acne are pretty much gone after using the serum for 3 months. And I'm sure it was the vitamin C, because I've been using the same toner and moisturiser for years, this is the only new product.
What vitamin c did you use?
@@fulan8342 I use the 3% serum from Revolution :)
I’ve been surprisingly thrilled that wearing a mask all day has reduced the wrinkles around my mouth. I have extremely dry skin - and my worst wrinkles have always been around my mouth. Because the mask is holding in moisture all day - as well as preventing dry air from drying out my skin .. I’m finding my wrinkles are greatly reduced.
I'm jealous, masks just gave me breakouts but I think I finally found my solution for that!
Lab Muffin Beauty Science what is your solution?!!! I’ve started breaking out and my skin is usually so great to me
@@Stephanie-rt3do Different masks - silk and Uniqlo Airism have been great for me! Silk is a bit stuffier but that's actually quite nice when it's cold.
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience silk mask is amazing
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience I was just about to order the Uniqlo one so good to hear!
I was so confused when they said that vitamin C is useless and has no real evidence behind it hahah
It’s actually true! You can watch dr dray on why she doesn’t use vitamin c. Vitamin c is kinda gimmicky and needs more research behind it!
@@CodeSNSD Compared to ingredients that are regulated as drugs it might be, but compared to other non-drug ingredients it's far better researched, especially for pigmentation which is important for POC. As mentioned in this video it's regulated as a quasi-drug in Japan... if you insist on only using ingredients with more evidence behind them than vitamin C, you're basically stuck with tretinoin/adapalene/tazarotene, salicylic acid and benzoyl peroxide...
@@CodeSNSD I think the context of her Dr. Dray's video on why she doesn't use vitamin c iss because she didnt find enough evidence that supports vitamin c working for her specific skin needs or that she is already using other products with ingredients that work better for, again, her specific needs. However, on her video about which ingredients work for hyper pigmentation, she mentions vitamin c.
Vitamin c irritated the crap out of my skin, I did see glowing skin and fading of some spots but the irritation even with moisturizer caused me to break out and also the stickiness/film it left on my skin was undesirable.
@@rayradiance666 Like everything else, not all vitamin C's are the same. I've never used a vit C product that left a film so obviously consistency depends on specific product. But, not all skincare is for everyone
As usual extremely informative and well explained even for a layman like me💞
Thank you so much! 😊
Tretinoin improved my skin so much! It is my no. 1 priority in my skincare routine.
I love tretinoin! Definitely a game-changer in my routine 😊
Oral or topical? Remember its teratogenic
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience what about teratogenicity? Or you're referring to topical tretinoin?
@@kadzo6614 I use topical tretinoin cream on my face.
@@nazmussadat7852 topical application is not teratogenic? Because oral is 100% teratogenic.
I loved the “6th on 1 product, could still be higher than 3 on another product”
Seems pretty logical, but easy to miss.
Thank you. I was upsetti spaghetti that they went in by themselves instead of inviting literally any popular dermatologist on youtube or any science based beauty youtuber
Have you covered the science of fermented ingredients in skincare products?? Please do if you haven’t!
She has, just not in video! One of my favorite posts by her:
labmuffin.com/whats-deal-fermented-skincare/
I did a blog post on them but no videos yet! labmuffin.com/whats-deal-fermented-skincare/
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience
Just read it... Great article.. Thanks for the effort!
It also varies wildly between people. Vitamin C works really well for some people, and really helps them with things like lightening dark spots / hyperpigmentation. I've tried so many different formulations, and none of them have made any discernable difference, for me.
Niacinamide, though, works fantastically for me, but some people notice little effect or even have adverse reactions to it. I've actually reversed a frown line on my forehead that was previously permanently visible. It's not, anymore. 🤨 I've also noticed that I don't have to work as hard to cover my enlarged pores! I don't know if it has actually "shrunk" them, because that's supposed to be impossible... but they've become less noticeable and much easier to smooth out with primer. 🤷🏻♀️ I don't know how or why, but it has done things for me that both retinoids and tretinoin, vitamin C, and all kinds of chemical exfoliants couldn't.
I'm in Canada, so prescription tretinoin is actually less expensive than most mid-ranged retinoids, so I continue to use it. It does help me, but the changes caused by adding niacinamide to my routine have been profound!
Considering that drugs of all kinds can have drastically different reactions when used by different people, it's not entirely surprising that skincare drugs (cosmetics, legally) work differently on different people, too.
No matter what I do, I can't use vit c. I have to use use a derivative and don't know if it's affective!
How do u use niacinamide and which brand is it plz
As a med student soon-to-be derm resident, I love how clear you explain these concepts. Do you have any recommendations on textbooks about cosmetic chemistry and dermatology?
Not labmuffn but she does have an ebook on her site about basic skin care ingredients which is affordable but I have not read it yet because I am busy. Lol
Dr Leslie Baumann also sells cosmetic derm textbook if I am not mistaken.
JAAD ''Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology'' and the one that covers medicine as a whole is: JAMA ''Journal of the American Medical Association''
I clicked so FAST. I recently saw the video, and I instantly thought about wanting your response 😂
She is one of the creators which I would gladly pay for a monthly subscription.
OOOoOOOH LAB MUFFIN IS FAST WITH THIS RESPONSE!!! "It's actually really exciting for me to do a response to a video that's made by science nerds, because usually it's something like five minutes crafts" the unintentional read 😳
Haha this video was vastly more interesting to make than 15 minutes of me saying "don't put toothpaste on your pimples" 😊
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience or making pore strips for a strawberry 🍓😂
No hate to ASAPscience!!
I was hoping someone from this side of RUclips would do a reaction to that video. I don't know much about skincare but watching your (and a few other people's) science based skincare videos definitely made me raise my eyebrows at some of their claims. I do love ASAP Science but this kind of thing is why I prefer science channels with narrower scopes, they try to cover a broad range of topics and can sometimes get a bit sloppy.
I’m SO glad you did this reaction video because that other video came up in my suggested and I was like 😒 after watching it lol
The thing that's kinda concerning for me is how they mainly focus on one book
I hope that the misconception won't be a new myth spreading across the world
Thank you for educating us in this video! I really appreaciate how you include illustrations and some studies-quote in this video-i mean as you always do- :"))
I saw the ASAP video and immediately thought of you, so glad you’re covering it.
Thank you for making this! I think the most shocking part of that video to me was the "absolute" terminology. 100% useless? I'm uh... not used to scientists speaking in this way!
Another great video! I didn't watch the @AsapSCIENCE video. To be honest, I'm a bit sick of the beauty industry bashing videos, especially made by people who admit they don't use any cosmetics. Don't get me wrong, I am all for scientifically based, honest beauty marketing; but I feel there are so many other industries that use "green" or "clean" washing to sell products, that are never put through the wringer like cosmetics (health supplements, recyclable packaging, organic food etc). I also agree that there is so much more to a product than just the ingredient list. For example, I am useless in the kitchen. My sister however is a domestic goddess. Give us both eggs, flour, sugar and cocoa and I will give you brown mess - my sister will bake a glorious cake! It's another reason I don't watch channels like Hyram. Making videos that run through ingredients lists are not giving any useable or helpful information (unless you are allergic to something).
I agree - I think it's because beauty is seen as frivolous, like so many other areas that are predominantly female. There are lots of very pseudosciencey but male-dominated areas that don't get dismissed the same way like bodybuilding, high-end audio, cars...
I would love to see a list of what ingredients/products are listed as quasi drugs in Japan!
Yes, please, how can we get that list?
I had a feeling the ASAP video was just pseudo-science clickbait. It reminded me a lot of how Game Theory videos are structured : cool visuals with sprinkles of science to give the appearance of legitimate claims, but riddled with fundamental flaws. Thank you for confirming my initial suspicions.
YES. I'm so glad you're covering this!
I love your microbe soft toy . :)
He's from Giant Microbes! It's an acne bacterium 😊
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience judging by the size it's probably the same strain that I have in my face
@@KHtrinity1 😂😂😂😩
Such great clear information. I so agree about understanding formulation!! Thank you.
Yay, I try really hard to make everything clear! I'm glad all the rewrites were worth it 😊
Lab Muffin Beauty Science absolutely!! Please also talk about why it is better to have ingredients in toner/serum or moisturizer. Eg is vitamin C better in a serum or moisturizer? Is glycolic acid better in cleanser than serum?
I used to like ASAP Science when they first started out, but I feel their quality has really fallen off in the past few years.
@@OxundHeiner That's the exact same reason I was put off them and eventually stopped following them a few years ago. They made a poorly-researched video in an area of my speciality that included common misconceptions in the field. That clued me in on the superficiality of their research. Then there were more and more holes.
I know it's possible to make videos on a wide variety of science topics, but the sciences are too vast to presume you can make quality content on _any_ field on your own.
Two years ago they made a video about Adderall. As someone who has ADHD and is on stimulants, I went in hoping for some interesting information.
Instead they spent half the video comparing it to meth.
I was done with their channel after that.
You hace the best lipsticks colors. Which one is today? It looks lovely
Thank you! It's Revlon Toast of New York
This video was sooo informative thank you so much for the hard work and educating us i love youuu ♥️♥️😍
I love your video, thank you! I was watching it and thinking, what about AHAs, BHA, PHAs, Azelaic Acid, Niacinamide, Urea, Colloidal oats, Licorice root, Ceramides, etc.? Retinoids are also not suitable for everyone. They can be very irritating for people with eczema or rosacea for example. It’s really not that Black and White. I have many clients whose skin condition improved significantly, simply by choosing a right cleanser, moisturizer and sunscreen.
I searched for vitamin C diy serum over Google, landed on your page and the brilliant way you explained it made me search you over RUclips.
What a worth subscription. You're simply DA best ! Thanks !
Big cheers from India 🇮🇳
I'm so curious about silicone sheeting and the idea of sealing in moisture or water with petroleum jelly. I hope she dives deeper into it in the future! This could finally be the scar fading solution I've been looking for 😭
I'm 52 years old and I've come rather late to the anti-aging skincare party, but upon the advice from LabMuffin and Dr. Dray I started using a thin coat (a little does a lotta good) of petroleum jelly regularly on my sun damaged chest and shoulders, and after a glycolic peel on my face. In a short time (few months) I've seen a dramatic difference in the hydration level of my chest and shoulders, as well as faster healing time from glycolic peels (less redness). If I want a bare skin look I use sunscreen and Avon Silicone Glove (has a bit of grip) with concealer. Everyone's skin is different but these inexpensive products have been a game changer for me.
I love the way you presented your information, it really feels like a professional essay. It helped me grasp some of the concepts in my current English class!
Glad you enjoyed it! 😊
Another great video! I didn't watch the @AsapSCIENCE video. To be honest, I'm a bit sick of the beauty industry bashing videos, especially made by people who admit they don't use any cosmetics. Don't get me wrong, I am all for scientifically based, honest beauty marketing; but I feel there are so many other industries that use "green" or "clean" washing to sell products, that are never put through the wringer like cosmetics (health supplements, recyclable packaging, organic food etc). I also agree that there is so much more to a product than just the ingredient list. For example, I am useless in the kitchen. My sister however is a domestic goddess. Give us both eggs, flour, sugar and cocoa and I will give you brown mess - my sister will bake a glorious cake! It's another reason I don't watch channels like Hyram. Making videos that run through ingredients lists are not giving any useable or helpful information (unless you are allergic to something).
I agree. I had many conversations here on YT from Cassandra and Hyram followers that are very close minded when i discuss formulation.
Watched every ad all the way through cause it’s the only way I can support your channel. Thank you so much for taking the time to make these videos
Oh my god. I need to make my notes on skincare now becauseI have been bombarded with too much knowledge.
Anyway, just love your work.🥰❤️
YES finally a scientist that understands chemisty behind skincare!!!!!!!!
I recommended *your* channel in the comments for that ASAP Science video.
I can't say enough how your review of these dudes trying to science skincare is giving me LYFE. You are amazing, keep up the fantastic work!!!
I watched their video and was immediately skeptical because they said they mainly based it on one book and was hoping you'd react to it. Thank you, as always, for another educational video that's easy to understand.
This is an excellent video and just goes to illustrate how even science people can have different interpretations but it takes someone with more study and experience in this subject matter to discuss the "truth" (per current scientific consensus).
YAASSSS BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
The title of their video seemed a bit click baity to me. I was expecting a video about “creams” to be about hydration and moisturization not wrinkles.
Fantastic video. I wish you had kept going to address every last point!
THANK YOU! i could not get through how misinformed that ASAP video 😭
THANK YOU I WAS HOPING SOMEBODY WOULD GIVE AN OBJECTIVE OPINION ON THIS EXACT VIDEO
I love skincare and I miss chemistry class, your channel is a blessing ✨💖
Another misinformation is running among the skincare community is that TEWL is a bad thing we need to avoid and fight. Trans epidermal water loss is a an essential physiological process and is not going to hurt our skin unless there is an impairment.
I'm so glad you reacted to this video! I couldn't finish theirs. Watching you has spoiled me and I can't go back haha
Michelle, I was curious about whether you trim your bangs by yourself or not, especially during the quarantine.
I've been trimming them myself since 2001 - that's why they're usually uneven 😬
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience those bangs look very cool on you❤
Nazmus Sadat fringe to us 🇦🇺 lol
it was the enlarging to superoxide dismutase for me
your videos and information are precious, Michelle, what I like about them is that you try to be as impartial as possible
Michelle, thank you so much for such high quality content!!
I’ve bought the ordinary’s 100% powder just to mix it with water….lol i thought that was what everyone was supposed to do??
loved this video so much! Thank you!
These punks mentioned methylene blue was BS? what is your opinion on the ingredient?
The only conclusion I can get to is that skin care is so complex and I'm pretty sure tons of corps are only there to milk money and capitalize on people's insecurities. Especially when it comes to acne treatment. It's so infuriating and unfair to know that as someone born with genetics that leads to acne prone skin, I have to sit and consume all these information, learn about which products to use and be patient for the results while fighting the insecurity and trying to save up money so I can buy more products and treatments that might work. So fucking ridie
hyram should watch this then stop making videos
I couldn't agree more
michelleee could you do a video on post workout skincare? how am i supposed to cleanse my skin after a breakout so i dont break out? wouldnt using a cleanser be too stripping if i workout in the middle of the day since i have to cleanse in the morning and evening too? thank youu ❤️
Thank you for talking about the order of the ingredients in the ingredient list and how the order does not necessarily indicate high/low concentration! There are several "skincare channels" here on YT that depend on this and dismiss or praise a product mostly based on the order of appearance of a certain key ingredient on the list and it makes me cringe lol. Other than the explanation you mentioned, another situation where this ordering of ingredients is not exactly telling of the product is the Oat So Simple Water Cream, where the star ingredient oat extract appear at the the end of the list. Many people criticized the product because of this, but this was only because water was legally required to be listed separately from the oats. I wish more skincare companies were transparent in the concentration of their product ingredients and explained their reasoning for the inclusioj of these ingredients and the respective concentrations.
you say read the ingredient list, well there is no governing body for accountability, no regulation as to the quality, age, or amount of the ingredients in these products
do you have a video of skincare products you recommend? ✨️
Who ARE you and why am I only now discovering you?? Pretty freaking excited to have stumbled upon you. 🥰
You know lots of RUclipsrs get information from you
You are leader of skincare
Can you talk about why the Thai products with sheep placenta and other things are so effective? I am scared to use it at all but my friends talk about how it completely vanished their spots and marks, and I have actually seen that change on their skin. I find it very difficult to believe that it works wonders and IS SAFE. These products include: sheep placenta soaps or creams, specific thai papaya soaps, stem cell gluta, some other very cheap stuffs in the similar line. 🤷♀️
Please do a video addressing the claims that retin A can cause dry eyes if used around the eye area.
👍😁👌 *Thannnk you for speaking to all such. Yet a-g-a-i-n superb and accurate*
*data and facts. You sooooo deserve at least a million subscribers*
Thank you for this video. Frankly a lot of their videos are poorly researched but they speak with authority that people don’t doubt. This causes a lot of misconceptions
Without seeing the AsapScience video, I still found your information very helpful.
Thank you for this very detailed scientific analysis. I struggle with reading and analyzing the ingredient list since there's so much it doesn't tell you.
Could you please make a video about closed comedones and how to get rid of them?, I’ve tried so many things and it’s increasing if anything
Has anyone commented on how wonderfully you've coordinated the background colors and your make up colors with the colors in your blouse? This is the first video of your that I've watched, so I don't know if this is a happy coincidence or if you are a color genius!
I was just waiting for someone to say something
This is the only skincare/skin science channel I need
If I may? I'd add the main thing an ingredient list may help you do is avoid something you know you react negatively to. Which is still no substitute for patch testing! Lol, I think I care about that subject.😆
Thanks for this great post. I truly appreciated your very principled and professional approach to screening their vid. Be well ♡
Finally !! i was cringing when they discussed Vitamin C vs Vitamin E.... oh noes.
hi, asap science mentioned that retinol thins the thin but I thought u had previously mentioned that this is a myth and it actually thickens the skin?
Yep, that's one of the points I didn't end up including - it thins the stratum corneum but thickens the dermis.
Omg... I'm a beauty loving nerd and I've found my home 🤗🤗🤗🤓🤓🤓 I love this channel. I like asap science and they're great, but they should have collabed on this one
Like 1000 times! Michelle can you do a reaction to Dr Vanita Rattan’s video? She’s giving out a lot of misinformation to skin of colour.
Love this video! Thanks for all the great info. Would love to see a video that gets deeper into tretinoin. Like, is it more effective on bare skin, or is it as effective layered over other products? How much more effective are higher concentrations for anti-aging? How many days per week using it is ideal for the most benefit?