I HATE Big Floppa's situation... That cat is clearly unhappy, bored, obese, and understimulated. Sure, it can't go back to the wild obviously but there is absolutely no reason it should be in some person's home. It needs to be in a sanctuary or somewhere else where it can get natural mental and physical stimulation as well as exercise.
It makes me so sad to see obese animals. They're always so sad, so tired, no energy to do what their paws itch to do. Just because they aren't heaving each breath like their last, doesn't mean it won't eventually some day.
its disgusting and why are all the caracals ive seen people keeping obese?? like caracals in the wild are the athletes of the feline world, you would never see one that overweight in the wild. they literally jump meters in the air to catch birds and its so sad that these "pet" caracals will never get to do anything like that.
This! It's literally almost always the case. Incredibly sad. It get's played off as "cute" often as well. And don't even think about saying something about that in the comments, since the whole comment section will come after you, telling you that the owner will for sure know what they're doing...
Yup. There is a clear lack of understanding that "spoiling" doesn't always mean "love" and abuse doesn't need to come in the form of starvation or beatings to count as such.
Tbh that's the case in the vast majority of any pets. It's sad seeing all the cat/dog videos and see all the obese animals and how these videos rewire people's brains about how a "normal" pet should look.
They’re almost always obese (such as many house cats bc owners are ill-informed on dietary needs) and this in turn exacerbates the idea that wild / exotic pet cats are overly aggressivs. They’re really just in pain and not being cared for properly in any capacity. Unnecessary abuse that needs to end on the exotic and domestic side…. 💔
People are getting so used to pets being obese, animals in general actually. I saw a video of a bear the other day, clearly an adolescent so really lanky, but it had a really nice coat and a nice covering of fat. Lean though, I don't know when the video was taken but I would guess in the spring- either way it was in fantastic condition, and the comments were all crying about how the poor thing was starving. And no, it wasn't not even remotely. And it's the exact same with dogs and cats. Especially the leaner breeds of dogs - like greyhounds for instance- there are people indignantly in the comment section saying how you "should never see the ribs!" Except, yes for a dog like that you should be able to just see the last few ribs with some nice fat padding. Some breeds have more fat padding at a good weight and some less, but they should all have a distinct waist and people have really no idea.
Exotic "pets" aren't actually pets. They are simply a statement from the owner, "I have an irresponsibly large pool of money to waste on an animal in an active attempt to make its life worse."
Anything you own for your enjoyment is a pet, by the literal definition. You can have a pet chicken, or even a pet rock. Trying to claim non-domesticated animals aren’t pets is pure semantics.
@@prickly_procyonids Cool, you can't have a "pet" caracal though, because they aren't "pets" in my eyes, they are wild animals. Chickens are pets because they are domesticated. Rocks are not pets because they aren't animals. I own a TV and laptop for entertainment and would never consider them as pets, because they are possessions for enjoyment, meanwhile pets are domesticated companions. You, of course, can have your own definitions, and so can l. I do not subscribe to such belief that being a pet quantifies as "Anything you own for your enjoyment is a pet" and never will. Either way, semantics aside, I assume we can both agree that these animals aren't in proper conditions and shouldn't be under ownership like this, which should be the focus... not this. [Edit: Also, by literal definition, you mean one of many interpretations of the definition. Both mine and yours are interpretations of the meaning toward the word "pet." And there are dictionaries that host both interpretations.]
@@prickly_procyonids When I was a kid, there was an expression "teacher's pet" for a student the teacher seemed to prefer. "Oh, Jenny is such a teacher's pet!" Never implied the teacher owned that child. "Pet" was also a nickname for something you loved or cherished. In stories set in Victorian era, a father or grandfather will say to his daughter or grand daughter, "Oh, my pet. You will like boarding school!"
@@misspinkpunkykat Why are you arguing semantic bullshit when the real problem here is that people are taking non domesitcated animals and using them as pets.
The overweight exotic cat is so infuriating. Not only are you damning them to an unnatural life in your home to serve your ego, but you’re torturing them by over feeding them and making them morbidly obese. The cat is likely in so much pain due to the extra weight crushing their joints. Any animal in your care being overweight is neglect unless you’re actively working on managing their weight.
"It's a domesticated caracal/fox/lynx!" NO ITS NOT. Domestication takes GENERATIONS. The closest word you're looking for is "tame" and even then it's a stretch. People don't understand what domestication is and I'm so glad you brought it up because these people always use that as an excuse for owning wild animals, as if a domesticated (insert obviously wild animal here) is a real thing at all. It drives me insane. House cats can be feral or tame, but they are domesticated (mostly). Big cats are feral, can be tame and not domesticated. And bonus because pet fox owners on insta piss me off too: Foxes are feral, can be tame, WERE ATTEMPTED TO BE DOMESTICATED BUT ULTIMATELY WEREN'T AND NO, THE FOX YOU BOUGHT ONLINE IS NOT THE DECENDANT OF A FAILED EXPERIMENT THAT TOOK PLACE BEFORE YOU WERE BORN. THEY ARE NOT DOMESTICATED.
Uhm. Not trying to advocate for wild animal domestication, but as far as I know the fox domestication experiement didn't fail. They selectively bred foxes for domestication to study the process. And surprise: those foxes, similiar to dogs, show certain characteristics typical for domestication. Sure, those foxes may not be lapdogs, but the experiment is still running lol
@@rotepixie I think I heard of the experiment that person is talking about... and I heard that after they were done with the experiment they killed all of the foxes off, even the ones who were most tame.
The experiment didn't fail so much that those domestic foxes have a distinct breed name: silver fox. It was a landmark experiment in understanding domestication and was very much a success.
@@rotepixie the study was flawed as the foxes were from fur farms, not wild foxes. the process just made more tame foxes. it didn't go nearly far enough to come close to creating a domestic fox. you can even look it up. the wording they use is "tame," not "domesticated." breeding an animal to have a specific coat or ears isn't domestication.
@@speedydoggo You cannot domesticate a wild animal in a few generations. It takes hundreds of breeding cycles (and that means culling the majority of individuals that do not possess the desired behaviour, so slaughtering most of the offspring) and hundreds or thousands of years. ON TOP OF WHICH, most animals are simply NOT POSSIBLE to be domesticated -- they need to naturally possess the necessary behavioural and physical characteristics that humans can hijack for their own purposes. There's a reason we didn't domesticate zebras, despite them existing side by side humans for all time -- because it doesn't work.
There’s only one TikTok account that has a (small) exotic cat, that constantly warns against getting one. He emphasizes that making sure his cat is mentally stimulated is a full time job. He takes her out in nature to climb and run, as well as very large system of wall mounts that his cat can climb and run around on at home. Even with everything he does, his cat often still has a lot of energy and craves hunting and stimulation. Pets aren’t accessories, especially ones that are exotic and can and will hunt anything given the opportunity
If that is who I think it is, then it is less "exotic" (its a Savannah, which is a breed between Serval and domesticated cat) than these cats but still needs loads of exercise and stimulation and he does a really good job of providing it whilst warning about ownership.
@@guy8646 its a savannah, and it looks far from f1 generation. he isnt part of the problem. its a high energy cat at that point like a husky ina cats world
We had a bobcat when i was a kid. Our dog brought him home as a tiny newborn kitten. We kept him buuuut he was allowed to come and go as he pleased. After about 4 years, he just left and never came back. This was after a year or so of getting more and more wild.
@@joecamel919 it's honestly disgusting to let wild animal sleep inside your house.. I get letting them in the garage or garden shed, but house? Are people not afraid of parasites or catching some disease? It's not like wild animals go to the vet. And I am not even talking about the worst case (rabies)..
@@joecamel919 A properly cared for animal does not stink, and some stink isn’t actually stink, ppl are just incredibly pampered. Ppl have to get used to it. As an example, many who have had bad experiences with others owning ferrets, saying they stink, is usually attributed to the person not taking care of the animal. All ferrets are desacked, so they do not ‘stink’ nearly as bad as they would if they were in the wild. They don’t even stink in all actuality, they have a musky smell, which is about as strong as the smell of a wet dog (but imo not as bad as a dog, and I have a Labsky). If your animal is properly bathed, enclosure is kept clean, and they are healthy, with a healthy diet… They. will. not. stink. Some smells aren’t stink, they are just natural odors that we have to get used to if we want to care for an animal that we love. It’s just like your pet dog getting an infection that you can pamper and make the smell go down but sometimes that’s all you can do is treat it and get used to it. Those who say that wild animals stink have never actually been around a properly cared for homed “wild animal”. Before anything is said, I have absolutely been around foxes. I am a zoology student and I take the welfare, accurate education, rehabilitation, and conservation of animals very seriously.
Not gonna lie I always wanted to have a wild cat, but my two brain cells always knew that this wasn't a good idea, so what did I do with that? I started rescuing domestic cats, problems solved, and I don't have to worry that my furry babies will bite my head off if I will piss them off.
Yeah! I hang out with feral cats and they're completely different, but it's fun to see them become a house cat. Literally, they learn to demand food quite quickly and will follow the foster home to the kitchen xD
I hate seeing people owning these exotic cats because it really shows just how ignorant they are. These cats aren't normal domestic cats, they're wild animals waiting for the perfect time to harm you, or any living thing around you.
@@astron4606Sure but even if you don’t think it’s dangerous, a large WILD cat wouldn’t have a very good quality of life when kept in a house like a domestic cat. A sanctuary would do a much better job at giving them enough space, with dirt and grass to walk on (or trees to climb, if they do that in the wild). If you want an ‘exotic’ cat, but want to keep it in your house and treat it almost the same as a normal cat, then just get a cat :/
I hate Pumba's video's I've said a few times on there video's that that is not a happy cat but there fans are like they don't meow like a normal cat he growls and hisses to show he is happy. No No they don't pinned ears, swatting and a swishing tail is not a happy cat. All of these cats that shown all show sign's of stress at some point on there accounts but no one seems to see the issue.
Nah he looks very unhappy like 99% of the time, I get it, angry floppa gets more clicks - but to piss him off for views?? Something ain’t right about pumbas stuff
@@kathrynkrider2630 This is the other excuse I hate, "he is sweet when the camera is off him" Then they know what there doing with the camera if that's the case. I know what annoys my animals and I avoid it because its stressful on them being constantly torment by something they don't like. Would they like it if I did something to them they find annoying constantly I think not. So why do it to an animal.
@@kathrynkrider2630Do you genuinely believe this? And, if so, why do you believe it? How would you know? Because there's no chance in hell that the owners would be honest if their money-printe-I mean, wild and unhappy animal was being aggressive, as that would show signs of incompetence and could result in them losing their "totally sweet" wild cat.
On top of that it's a WILD statement that caracals can't meow or make other noises. YES THEY CAN, if you look at sanctuary caracals, they make a fair amount of different vocalizations and you don't really hear them hissing.
I used to clean carpets and there was a regular we had who needed her basement cleaned because her serval ate frozen quail and got blood all over the floor. When i went in there the first time there was a giant litterbox in every room and it smelled so weird. Not like cat pee. Muskier. While i was sitting down with her trying to determine what she needed, this 5yo serval rubbed against her and turned and fuckint SPRAYED her in the chest. Her response? "Oh she is just marking me because I'm her mom" Bitch no
I have an exotic cat. Aka a beautiful black and white short hair that’s MEANT to be inside. Idk why people want exotic cats when there are so many cats waiting to be rescued from a shelter that are just as adorable and cuddly. Don’t make a wild cat suffer and save a domestic one. It’s not that hard and WAY less dangerous and expensive.
If domestic house cats are “meant to be inside” then why are there millions of feral cats that are completely incapable of being tamed down and kept inside as pets, and that make servals or hybrid cats “meant to be outside” look like angels?
@shirashiraonthewall The overwhelming majority of exotic cats in the USA, Canada, Russia, and Europe are captive bred by specialty breeders. Zoos are the ones importing wild caught animals (on occasion) for their breeding programs to maintain genetic diversity. There is no scientific evidence that these animals are being smuggled, nor is there any incentive for us to do so, as it is CHEAPER to buy from a breeder than it is to import (legal or illegally) ANY animal.
@@prickly_procyonids the thing about feral cats is that it IS possible to tame them with hard work and dedication, and feral cats are descendants of house cats who somehow managed to get outside. You mention servals but servals aren’t meant to be house cats, no matter how sweet they seem compared to feral cats. Keeping a wild cat inside of a house is like keeping a dolphin in a 20x20 foot tank, it’s not humane and isn’t healthy for the animal. While feral cats can adjust and live a happy healthy life inside of a home, wild cats cannot. The only reason ANYONE should own a wild cat is if it’s injured and cannot be released back to the wild and if they have the proper education and licenses, take for instance the zoos you mention. The only times animals are taken from the wild are if they cannot be brought back to their natural habitat and they are bred to keep the species alive. In the USA it is completely illegal to breed or buy a wild cat without any knowledge or licenses or intention to sell them only to make a profit and anywhere else it’s just unethical and selfish. I don’t see your argument here. I completely understand it’s your opinion and all and I’ll respect it but the points you’re making aren’t very strong, I don’t understand why someone cant just adopt a helpless shelter cat.
Russia actually had a program during the USSR and up until the early 00s to domesticate foxes. It took about 10 generations of selective breeding to show early successes and 40 in total to be declared done, they those were more suited to domestication because foxes live in dens with one another. These lynx (and other cats) have not gone through a similar breeding program, they're wild animals that tolerate human presence because you feed them. If your animal tolerates you but lashes out against other people, it's a wild animal.
The same institution failed to achieve the same success with river otters, because the more "tame" they got them the more skittish they were around humans. Some animals simply can't be fully domesticated.
And then there are domesticated dogs, especially of the "guard dog" variety that do just that - they tolerate you and lash out at everyone else. And of course, domesticated animals can become feral. Plus, those foxes still don't exactly "dog" and are a lot of trouble. So they're not particular suited to the domestic life either.
There's a recent case in Norway where someone illegally imported a serval(it's against the law to own wild animals here). One day he got out from the apartment where she lived, and was seen and taken photos of that ended up in the news. While the owner managed to hide for a while, she was caught earlier this year, and the serval taken. After selfishly putting him in that much risk, fortunately he wasn't put down. And it seems like he'll get to live on in one of the wildlife parks here.
11:41 not to mention understimulation is a very big problem with domesticated pets i would assume it's a thousand times worse for these wild animals. No it is ABSOLUTELY NOT happier being fed cat feed from a can it WANTS and absolutely NEEDS to hunt
Overstimulation and under-stimulation are EXTREMELY BAD for all animals, if a wild animal is under-stimulated they will literally start harming themselves. And if overstimulated they could start harming other people and animals
Animals don’t “need” to hunt. Exotic cats have just as strong of a prey drive as domestic house cats, yet we don’t give our kitties live mice to torment every day and neither do zoos or sanctuaries. Why do these exotic cats magically “need” to hunt when they’re kept as pets but not when they’re at zoos? Have you ever heard of a concept called enrichment? We replace a live mouse with a toy that the cat can chase, jump at, and so on…
@@prickly_procyonids 1) good zoos dont give give animals a plate of food and call it a day. they place it around the enclsure to simulate hunting/stimulate the animal 2) a domestic cat's prey drive is not equivalent to a wild cat's 3) these exotic "pets" need a lot more stimulation and enrichment than living in an house allows for
@@prickly_procyonids Domesticated cats still hunt for birds and others given the opportunity (if they have access to outdoors). Basically everyone with an outdoor cat knows that since only very few cats are too lazy to hunt. And in most of these cases that’s the consequence of understimulation, especially too little physical activity. And countless owners of domesticated cats simply don’t catch their cat hunting or overlook the obvious signs. Hunting is so important for the overall well-being of any cat and substituting it in human captivity by playing and then feeding is only trying fix a situation that is problematic in the first place. Humans keeping animals shouldn’t be a thing in the first place 😢
@@prickly_procyonids ALL animals literally NEED to hunt. They're literally evolved too as a part of their life cycle. It's the same as playing, they need to move around and do things for themselves. People aren't always fed a plate of junk food their whole lives. When they grow up they have to make it themselves. They can't just sit around and become fatter by the days.
its also so easy to tell when these animals are ACTUALLY in the care of rescue or not. every time i see a rescue big cat the person in the video makes it clear why the animals not in the wild, you can see the zoo level cages to ensure its getting enough enrichment outside without the risk of escaping. hell, the few times ive seen vids of actual rescue exotic animals inside a house they emphisize that its not a pet, and the place looks like a ranger station not a suburban living room
Urban rescue ranch got two bobcat kittens that he will reintroduce to the wild (I think) and while they are adorable, his hands are destroyed from all the play biting and scratching one of the kittens do. It's really cute how she wants to play with him, but he's her chew toy. Even tho she is comfortable with him around, you can see she's still a wild animal. I can't even imagine owning them as pets.
YES! me and my father watch him all the time. he hasn’t released them yet he is still domesticating them, but he takes such good care of them i wish the other people that “rescue” them would do it like that.
@@shirashiraonthewallyeah i cant even stand it when my cat scratches me 😭 only Becuase their playing and their kittens :) and they are crazy little things
@@ratty_soupXx0 he is not domesticating them** they are orphan baby mammals that need love from a mama to be healthy, but they're just about big enough to go outside and learn how to be independant without him. he did the same thing with his coyotes and beavers.
I don’t have wild animals but I have part feral barn cats. When giving treatment I have been hissed at and clawed. When putting them in a carrier I have been bit and scratched so bad and sent to urgent care. These guys are also the same cuties I have been loving, feeding and caring for since they were kittens. It’s not their fault. Natural instincts take over. Same with these wild cats. You can’t blame them for not being perfect all the time. They sometimes don’t even know their own strength. It’s scary how many people have them and probably don’t properly take care of them
Servals and exotic felines act infinitely more tame and handleable than feral cats. Funnily enough, you’re making a good argument for why domestication DOESN’T matter, because feral cats are way worse pets than sand cats or servals despite being domesticated.
That’s the complete opposite though. Feral cats are domesticated cats that have not been socialised correctly around humans. These exotic cats are wild animals that have been somewhat socialised around humans (but are still wild animals with wild instincts and strength, and should be in a sanctuary.) I get what you mean, but it’s just not quite the same. Hope none of this comment sounded rude, and I’m glad you look out for those semi-feral cats!
@Maspets chimpanzees are the #1 worst pet in the world. Everything else is just fighting for 2nd place. But zebras at the very least deserve my admiration. The one at the zoo put a 6.9 foot cowboy from Texas in the er and canceled his entire career. And any animal that can put Chuck Norris in a hospital room needs respect.
@@Maspets Both insanely dangerous to humans too, except most people don't realize exactly how freaking strong a chimp is. Wildcats like lynxes are known to be dangerous though! Neither of them should be pets because even if you can somehow meet all their needs, all it takes is one bad day, one bad freakout, and they can seriously injure or even kill someone.
I feel so bad about big floppa because my bf loves his page and I've always felt like something was off about the owners, my bf even bought their merch (which is terrible quality the t-shirt design got half faded in just 5 washes he's had it for a year now and it's barely visible anymore).
They’re always obese and I’ve noticed most of them are also declawed and sometimes even defanged. It’s cruel and they’re ALWAYS visibly stressed and miserable. It makes me LIVID! Why does it feel like a hot take to say that if you can’t get it at a normal pet shop you should not have it as a pet
I will never understand people who want to own wild animals. Like how are you gonna look at stories like travis the chimp and Humphrey the hippo, and think "my wild animal would never do that to me"
Personally, if I had a pet chimp and learned about those stories, it's going straight to a zoo. I have no idea how those people think that it wont happen to them.
I mean, I'm pretty sure my conures and cockatiels can't kill me, but I get what you mean. They still demolish my furniture if I don't make sure they're entertained and stimulated enough. That being said, I don't recommend them as pets for most people. Most people don't have the time and space to accommodate their needs.
The Puma shown in the beginning reel is named Messi. He has a condition that stunts his growth. He is far smaller than Pumas should be. He can’t be released because every wild puma would body him and he’d never hold territory for hunts. The man who owns him got him from a zoo since he has enough time and open areas to care for him so the zoo wouldn’t have to give him extra and special care.
People need to do more research and not assume the worst of everything they see. As a zoology student, it pains me because the situation’s are often more shades of gray then we realize. The Internet really has reprogrammed everyone to immediately take some thing as rage bait, rant on it, and refuse scientifically accurate education on the topic.
ok, but still putting these things on the internet without context will make some idiot want a pet puma. also as she pointed out, people love to say their animal is a special rescue to deflect criticism. Yeah I'm sure you did your research by (checks notes) taking their word.
that's fair but does he live in the house? or does he have a nice big enclosure with all the stimulation and enrichment required? if that's the case then brilliant. he doing a good job. if it goes in the house, sleeps on a bed and is kept like a domestic pet then that's still not cool. :(
@Nukaria Messi goes in the house, but also has access to a huge outside area and plenty of stimulation, he even has his own room! Not so say that his situation is 100% as ideal as it could be, but his owners are doing as good of a job as they can, especially considered he was in line to be euthanized due to his medical issues.
Sorry for the depressing input… but I’ve noticed a ton of people also over feeding exotic animals…. Not only for the “chonk” aesthetic but I believe also because it keeps them pacified & if they’re obese they tend to be less energetic right? So easier to control. I totally believe thats part of the reason they do it.
i'm inclined to agree with you, there's a girl i watch called "girl with the dogs" that washes pets and a lot of the obese animals barely move and are obviously in discomfort when they have to be moved because they can't on their own very well.
I’m familiar with Messi and Luna. And Floppa. Messi is developmentally challenged. And his people have a very strong relationship. They take really good care of him. They even took him to dog training class. Luna’s handler actually works with wildlife. That cat gets plenty of enrichment inside and out. And plenty of affection. Both Messi and Luna are in good hands. I really don’t have an issue with their situations. I really can’t say much about Floppa because he’s always pissed off. My judgment is that he’s probably dangerous to live with. Normally, I also feel that we should leave wildlife in the wild. I don’t like zoos. Circus’. Etc. I don’t know what happened to Zeus and Hera. I used to follow them long ago. Zeus was a Serval and Hera was a Savannah owned by Vegas Barbie. She bred them together. I have mixed feelings about her. She was very kind and gentle but she definitely was using them for money and was planning on making a profit from their kittens too. I stopped watching them because I was having a moral issue with it. Messi and Luna, I do not have an issue. The others I am not familiar with.
Yes this! I get not fully beleiving the stories fully cause sceptisim is normal, but Messi has dwarfism and Luna was found orphaned as a cub last I checked. They're both vert socialized and taken care of. Also Messi's owners have been posting content of her since I was in like middleschool.
Yeah, except that one time Luna’s owner thought it would be a great idea to put her and a horse in close proximity. It went about as well as you’d expect. Apart from that rather questionable decision, I generally enjoy their content.
Idk why you'd want an exotic WILD cat when the perfect cat shaped companion exists, the domestic cat. Honestly it's probably for the fame/money that comes with having an unusual pet but for me it doesn't sound worth it. I'll stick with my tuxedo DSH.
There’s even domesticated cats that could look similar to wild cats! Look at Maine coons! And Maine coons can make great pets if you know how to take care of them and give them the proper space and diets!
@@shirashiraonthewall also for the people who claim them adopting animals from the wild as rescuing, adopting a cat or dog from a shelter is also rescuing them! Especially from kill shelters!
@@shirashiraonthewallWhy are you talking nonsense? These animals were bred in zoos and kennels and have lived in cages for generations. I too think it is wrong to keep these animals in small homes, but maybe you shouldn't say infantile things and mislead people. You are literally suggesting that these animals should be sent to certain death just because their ancestors lived in the jungle.
Alot of people may not know this but wolves aren't the oldest species of canine. Everyone erroneously says domesticated dogs are descendants of wolves but wolves themselves are descendants of an older species of canine. Not trying to be that guy but it's a common fallacy that all dogs are wolf blood or that wolves are the original canine.
Dogs are still descendants of wolves, just probably not *gray* wolves. There’s some debate as to whether or not dogs are direct descendants of gray wolves, or a species closely related to them. And wolves being descendants of an older species of canines doesn’t mean dogs are suddenly not descended from them anymore. That would be like saying homo sapiens are not descendants of homo erectus because homo erectus evolved from homo habilis. They’re all related, just split apart based on the era they lived in, like a grandparent to a parent to a child.
You don’t need a PHD to take care of a sand cat or other small exotic feline. Plenty of your lauded “animal experts” are just random people who really love animals and had no formal background in anything zoology related when they began owning exotics, like Steve Irwin or Urban Rescue Ranch.
And in the US, though uh... not very many considering how endangered they are, which is worse. Owning an endangered animal like it's no problem is just not a very good thing. They need to be protected in the wild
I feel like out of all the accounts said Luna the Pantera is probably mildly better. The owner takes her out and around the woods along with building her a pretty big climbing thingy?? She also said that when Luna was a few days old her mother rejected her and so the zoo threw her out, but I'm not sure if that's even true. And no, I'm not trying to defend her.
Luna’s owner still has issues, though. Like that one time she videoed Luna (an undomesticated predator, mind you) meeting horses (a prey animal). Obviously, it went pretty bad, and no genuinely responsible owner would even attempt that.
Seriously, from what I've seen of Luna, the owners does a lot horrible wrong. Letting a large, used to humans panther run around free when she could very well be a danger to humans, other animals, and so on. Or how they had a video where they 'introduced' her to a horse and so on.
Everytime somone talks about Pumba's madness people be like "Naww, thatsthe way they communicate". The same answer over and over again which seems made by bots. Caracals have a large variety of sounds and for God sake, hissing means that the beast there is freaking pissed off. No other explanations. Dammit.
The only exotic and wild cats I wanna see are from sanctuary pages. Like Ollie the Blind Tiger who was pepper sprayed as a left behind cub so wild life authorities didn’t feel it was safe to leave him out. There’s plenty of sanctuary pages that need the attention, could use the donations, and actually respect the wild animals by giving them space and rarely go in their cages, feeding them fresh meat, making them exercise from outside or putting toys in the pool to make them swim, etc. and they all advise they are wild animals that can and kill you, and the animals they have in their care are because these cats are normally endangered and/or due to previous injuries/health problems they won’t make it alive in the wild.
Warning on Pretty Litter and something pet parents should keep an eye out for- I've heard a lot of kitties get urinary tract infections after they switch to it. Not sure if it's BECAUSE of the litter or because pet owners who use it just statistically keep a closer eye on their pet's health, but it's something to be mindful about regardless ! I've heard it's a downfall of silica based litters in general.
Shout out to how I got called slurs in the comments for saying that Pumba was being abused. Those people need to be kept far away from animals and never own pets, not even a pet rock.
I love characals but owning them and having them in a small space is very bad. If you look at Pumba he is severly overweight wich can couse a shit ton of problems later on. And a caracal can only if at all get attached to a person if they had them since they were a baby and i repeat STRICTLY ONE PERSON IF ANY while that caracal looked all cudly and nice to that person it could very well not even hesitate to attack another person. They also are not a fan of being cuddled i dont general.
My favorite channel that kinda does this is Save A Fox,but the difference between them and all these other channels is that THEY ARE A SHELTER FOR FOXES SAVED FROM FUR FARMS. They aren’t all owned by one person to be fancy,they are there to be safe from being murdered for their fur. And I appreciate that kind of stuff. Owning a caracal is just asking for something bad to happen.
hate to break it to you but save a fox isn't all that great either. they've been accused of purchasing foxes to "hoard" rather than rescuing them and not feeding them properly
Pisses me off that a lot of these animals are really fat and really obese. It shows that the owners don’t feed them properly and I think people think obese animals are cute but they’re not.
Lowkey big floppas health concerns me insanely because ever since the roblox ‘raise a floppa’ came out I’ve had a giant Hyperfixation on floppa for like 3 years now. I can admit that I’ve bought merch, and made my own as well. I really wish they took better care of him because I genuinely have a deep love for Gosha and all caracals. I don’t think I’ll stop being a huge ride or die for floppas, but my enjoyment of them and their species doesn’t mean I think them being mistreated is okay. Sure, I’m glad Gosha seems comfortable and happy and loves his owners. but he is clearly overweight and I worry about him a lot. I don’t think people should defend goshas weight even if they like him. As floppa fans we should strive to help him and encourage his owners to get him better. They should be wild and live long healthy lives. I’ve also always been more worried about pumba because while Gosha seems so comfortable with his owners, but pumba looks genuinely uncomfortable and distressed to be around his owners. They are endangered animals and I have literally cried over that fact. I want all Caracas to be safe and happy. Anyways I don’t want to ramble on an insane amount more so. Yea. Also a floppa cryptocoin is so corny 😭 leave my goat Gosha out of that
Omg pumba stuff looks sus… like? They clearly piss him off for videos. Also they seem VERY wealthy and just keep him around as a toy. It’s weird. Bad vibes from pumbas owners
Big Floppa be us tho when we come back from dinner at our grandmother's place. No but fr tho, I feel bad for the big kitty, I don't wanna see him check out early either :(
Thank you for making this video! Every time I complain online about people owning big cats I get totally jumped on by fans of cats like Big Floppa. No one outside of dedicated big cat rescues or zoos should be owning these cats.
As someone from a counrry where the Serval and carcal (aka floopa) are native animals you can find (especially if you live in thr countryside). It breaks my heart to see this, not even locals dare touch them 💔
Messi was bought from a local petting zoo in 2016 , he's a dwarf puma and can not go back into the wild the owner has a big yard for him , and his sister gerda the cheetah is also a rescue
When they bought him they lived in a studio apartment. They are not animal rescuers. Of course he can't go back to the wild. They bought him from an abusive, exploitative situation and have continued to exploit him. He has no skills and would die in the wild and that's entirely the fault of humans, including his owners.
This is the first time I actually learned who Big Floppa was... I assumed it was just a cute name for any big eared cat, I didn't realize it was a specific cat. Nor did I realize he was someone's "pet"(Ill taken care of pet at that). Makes the memes a lot less cute knowing this. :(
I, personally, love my domesticated cat and find her thrilling and "exotic" enough to love and care for as if she were my own kin. If you think you need to have a litteral wild animal to feel like you have a small apex predator living with you, clearly you have never had an actual cat.
Just another reason why social media is a bad thing for many people. If they weren’t making money off the backs these poor animals they probably wouldn’t own them. No one should own any animal that belongs in the wild. If they cannot be released back to their natural habitat then they need to be at a spacious rescue/rehab that could provide give them their best life. Shame on Russia for allowing this to happen to these beautiful creatures. Shame on everyone who is exploiting them
Actually, no, cats ARE domesticated; domestication is a speciation event, a cat is genetically different species from it's wild ancestor (F. lybica). The difference is that dogs have +75.000 years of being domestic compared to the cats ~12.000 years ago AND dogs have been bred with specific purposes that need different temperaments and conformations whereas cats did their small pest control function pretty good without humans having to modify them (to the point cat breeds, unlike dog breeds, are a relatively recent thing: moggies in dogs come from purebreeds, but in cats purebreeds come from moggies). No animal can be "half-domesticated", they're either tame wildlife or a domestic species.
Scientists keep changing whether they’re a different species or a subspecies since they’re still very similar and readily crossbreed which is endangering pure wildcats And not 75k or 35. Earth is much younger
I agree. There’s a lot of different information I could find, not sure which was the most reliable but thank you! A lot of places said “semi-domesticated” so idk
@shirashiraonthewall It's mostly because unlike other domestics we've not greatly modified their behaviors, because we really didn't need to. Compared to dogs, horses and cattle (though these last vary wildly) cats didn't need to be "modified" much, if anything the greatest behavioral change they had is that they stopped being afraid of us (which, considering they're a small carnivore that's also prey, is a pretty big change). The myth that they're semi-domestic is also harmful from a ecological standpoint, because some people might reach that the conclusion that since they're "not-fully domestic" they should live outside, which apart from the existential threat to birds/reptiles/amphibians/arthropods is also an active threat to actual wildcats due to interspecies breeding (the scottish wildcat is the latest case of this, in the past their ancestor species the african wildcat was threatened but thanks to conservation efforts they've recovered). (Also related to whatever these influencers are on, wildcats and their hybrids are very STINKY animals, like take an unneutered tomcat and multiply it x10. Tear gas might be preferable to the smells of their houses)
@@lordgoopy9 They’re widely considered semi-domesticated as they weren’t selectively bred. Any breeds of cats are RECENT and barely recognized. Every other domestic animal has breeds. But just because they’re semi-domestic doesn’t mean they’re ok outside..even non-domestic animals aren’t ok to let out as they’re probably not native to where you live (so it’s not ok to let out your non-domestic reptiles or birds or whatever 💀). The idea “non-domestic=ok outside” is extremely wrong
She isn't. They take very good care of her, she seems very happy and likes their owners and even their dog, they raised her from a baby though, and frequently take her out to the woods and always has her on a leash with a really thick collar, iirc Luna was born with some issues and her mom rejected her so the zoo reached out to them and that's how they got her. She is even fed a proper diet, isn't overweight, and I don't think they ever glorified or over looked the struggles of raising her, they didn't even get her declawed like a lot of people do. Luna is really an exception I feel
@ yeah, that is what I thought, she looks very well fed and loved, she loves playing with the dog, they get along surprisingly well. And the most important thing, she is cute.
@@Anakin-Skywalker2 Neglect is a form of abuse. She's a wild animal not a pet. She belongs in the wild or a sanctuary that mimics the wild as much as possible. "And the most important thing, she is cute." -- mush-brained comment from exactly the sort of person these awful social media accounts appeal to.
Some of these people who own wildcats are selfish, and they have the wildcats because of their selfish desires, and that’s why some of them are fat, and they might not be feeding the wildcat the correct diet, because everything they eat need to be from the wild, not humans, that’s why they have health problems. Also, I don’t think the owner of Messi the puma is abusing Messi, since he got took in from a zoo that was going to put him down due to his health issues.
It seriously bothers me that so many people are doing this, and you KNOW it’s mostly for aesthetic and bragging rights. These animals are wild. They need to be in a wild environment, FAR away from your robot-vacuums and fancy home decor. Taking them on walks and letting them climb your little backyard is NOT enough. NOT ENOUGH SPACE. I hate it, I HATE IT. They become depressed and bored, it’s not the way they are supposed to live.
My ex had a f7 Savannah cat, aka a 7th generation removed from the wild ancestor. I adore this cat, he’s like my baby, I raised him from a few months old basically. He’s NOT a normal cat. You can tell his brain works different. He’s extremely smart and needs SO MUCH enrichment, we’re talking hours every day of full attention from us. If I’d not been out of work and able to fully focus on him EVERY day when he was little he’d 100% have behavior problems now, guaranteed. He’s vocal and quick to let us know when he’s displeased. He eats like an animal several times his size. If we don’t feed him what he thinks is enough he will help himself to whatever edible thing he can get his paws on. He’s a menace to the regular neighbor cats and will fight wild animals like (European)badgers. Weekly he came home with some new injury from that, but keeping him confined indoors is. Not. An. Option. He will pace, he will cry, he will claw at the windows/doors, he will piss indoors to send a message. He will not rest until he’s allowed back outside. These cats are not indoor cats, they are part wild and therefore have different needs than a regular domesticated cat. You CANNOT provide enough space and enrichment indoors, even if you like me literally make the cat your full time job. They are dangerous to the neighbor cats and local wildlife and therefore should not be outside unsupervised. So you’re in an impossible position, just because you saw a pretty kitty and did zero research before acquiring a wild animal for the looks. Shame on anyone who dooms a wild animal to a life of distress and suffering because you thought it was sooo cute. If you’re an animal lover you’d love these animals from afar. Anything else is just selfish entitlement.
@@andreaa.4446 No matter how educated hybrid cats and wild cats do NOT do well indoors, and are DANGEROUS if let out..you’re putting yourself in an impossible situation. You either deal with them messing your house up for keeping them confined in your house, let them out and risk them being euthanized for being a terror on the neighborhood, or overfeed them so they’re fat and don’t WANT to do much as they’re fat and uncomfortable
@@andreaa.4446 I’m formally educated in animal behavior and from that I know better than to do ANY of this. You should not be interacting with wild animals. Period. Let alone having them in your home. Stay away and observe and appreciate them from afar. Applying human concepts like emotions to wild animals is severely overestimating their actual behaviors. The vast majority of animals do not see you as a friend or helper, even if you treat them nicely. Many animal attacks stem from a human trying to “help” that animal by feeding it or otherwise. Do your animal friends a favor and buy a pair of binoculars and go nature watching instead. Support actual sanctuaries that put animals first and social media views second. I’m a huge animal nerd, but I don’t need to watch Big Floppa videos to make me appreciate Caracals
As much as I love these cats and the memes about them (especially floppa), I know that they have awful owners, the pets are suffering and don't deserve to live like this. I hate seeing people owning animals from the wild because I know they aren't getting the care they need, like big cats but also owls, wolf's, different reptiles and many other animals and it makes me sad knowing that these animals won't last long :(
I work in animal science, and some recent rese,arch came out about human attitudes towards wild animals based on pictures of scientists and conservationists interacting with wild animals. And instead of driving people towards respecting these animals and protecting them in their own environment, they are actually more likely to report wanting to own the animal that people are shown interacting with. As such, we have now been warned that if we share photos of our rese,arch, we should ensure they do not include people interacting with these animals. And it reminds me of a case in Australia of Molly the magpie - some "wildlife carers" decided to just keep the bird because of how it interacted with their dog and were using it to make money on social media. They were reported, but due to relentless bvllying they got the bird back (unfortunately). I was a voluteer in wildlife rescue at the time, and a story and images were shared with us of a magpie that had been spotted by someones neighbour who called in a bird being bothered by dogs. Upon rescuing it, they found that the adult bird had had it's wings and tail cut. Upon asking the owners of the house they reported that they "wanted a magpie to play with their dogs like Molly" It's really upsetting to see this to be honest. Also just to note - dogs and wolves have a common ancestor, dogs did not come from wolves. They actually have distinctly different social structures, and dogs have more varied diets (ie are closer to omnivores)
@circa134 sure can! "Effects of captions on viewers' perception of images depicting human-primate interaction" Freund et. Al 2023 - it's open access. They wrote an article in The Conversation also, "Wildlife selfies h*rm animals - even when sc!entists share images with w*rnings in the captions" (Sorry about the censors) It's a burgeoning field, social media and effects on perception of animals, it's a space to watch I think.
@circa134 youtube really doesn't want to let me, so I'm going to have to lead you on a bit of an adventure. So in "The Conversation" if you search "wildlife selfies" a few articles come up, most of them on topic and worth a read, but the recent one should be on the first page and was published on Feb 15 2024. Title starts with "wildlife selfies". A link to the paper is in there somewhere, it's open access.
@@circa134 youtube really doesn't want me too 🥲 Do you know "The C0nversation" (with an 'o' not a 0)? If you go there search "wildlife selfie" the article starts with that and was published in Feb 2024. In there you'll find a link to the paper. Sorry about sending you on an adventure for it, I don't know what the censor ai is flagging in the actual title.
@@circa134 Maybe if you type "wildlife selfies h*rm" into Google, the "the conversation" article by the author of the paper will pop up - I know the link to it is in there, that's how I first heard.
2:37 uh lynxes don’t live in jungles…not to my knowledge…they be snowy kitties, & need a shit ton of land to roam… If you’re gonna have a non typical pet in a snowy climate maybe try oh idk…a snow rabbit? A malamute dog? A European hedgehog? A small goat? A pig? A quail? A pheasant? Anything you’d expect to maybe see in the wild in the area or a farm if you got the space & money for it. Yeah…the only parrot I’d recommend is the incredibly difficult & endangered Kia because they only other snow tolerant parrot known to man kind is fucking extinct. Or you know what? Maybe just get a freshwater tank & show off your damn fishes since y’all want a living trophy. A fish ain’t a trophy either but it’s closer to 1 than a fucking LYNX
That isn’t an Eurasian, Canada or even Iberian lynx, it’s a bobcat. Bobcats live all over North America and Mexico, so some bobcats do in fact live in the jungle. Btw only Eurasian and Canada lynxes live in snowy environments.
My passion is big cats, and the main thing I talk about is big cat ownership, or realy all wild animal ownership. All of these accounts are on my list of irresponsible "owners". First we have Luna the panthera. I hate it how people deffend this channel just becouse "oh, Luna is a rescue, the two owners are wildlife biologests and rangers" and then you see a video of the panther almost getting killed by a horse, to the animal out with a cow. No seriously, im being for real, those videos exist, the do that dumb crap just for clout. Then we have Cloe the serval, prezenting them selves as "responsible" while they here are telling their viewers to live in a serval "pet" legal place, wich makes me think that they bought the animal off a wildlife trade wich trafficks or breeds animals. I don't care if a breeder is "responsible" the only responsible breeders would be breeding for endangerd animal population production, having an endangerd animal gets its numbers back up. The only irresponsible breeders are the ones who breed for people to have as "pets". Oh, then offcourse, we have pumba caracal, the obese caracal. There was a video show of a "toilet paper challenge" where the neglected big cat jumps over toilet paper. When I saw this, I wanted to run off a clif. This poor animal can barely get its feet up, and caracals are highly fin and highly known as the big cat with the highest jump, call it "the cat that flys". These "owners" need to be fined and sent to jail for "wild animal ownership" and neglect. Then we have Messi the puma, again, this cougar looks to be kind of obese. These people not only have a cougar, but also a cheetah. And once again, the excuse "they rescued the cougar" comes in. We have no Idea how the cheetah got there, but there is a video where they have one of the animals indors, and the other outside, looking at eachother trough this glass door, the "owners" thinking that the situation of 2 species who don't know eachother is "funny". Ofc, everything for clout. There was also a video of this dude feeding the cheetah in this weird indoor area where the cheetah was staying. The animal was in clear distress and growling, but also panting. If they so called "rescued" the animal, then why not have it at a sanctuary? Not only that, but these "owners" have always wanted to own a big cat like a lyx, yes, it has been revealed. Instead of just admiting that getting a wild animal as a "pet" is a stupid idea, and admiting that leaving the animal in its natural enviroment is smarter, no, they think that its ok to own a wild animal as a "pet". I doubt that anyone would see this comment, but I just had to get it out there and spew the truth about these channels, so people culd shut up and stop supporting them. Oh, I forgot, Luna is also a disabled and more smaller melanistic leopard, and yes, once again, this animal was almost killed by a small herd of horses, no joke, search it up.
I've seen wild cats trust humans, but only in lions. There's some cases where the humans either done something for the pride, or raised one after the mothers death or abandonment. Not domesticated, not a pet, just trust. With any other big cat, its just a bad ides to interact with them.
@@shirashiraonthewall No, that is entirely incorrect. Big cats, or the genus panthera, include lions, tigers, leopards and jaguars, disincluding I think one species of "leopard". Cougars are actually small cats, and cheetahs are in a seperate genus of their own. So neither scientifically nor size-wise is a caracal a big cat. Edit: that one species of leopard that doesn't fall under big cat is the clouded leopard. It's not even a leopard. And anything from the genus panthera, if in a melanic variation technically counts as a "black panther"... in case you ever got curious.
@@js66613it’s odd since cougars are large but they can’t roar which is one distinguishing factor. Cheetahs can’t either. I think snow leopards are also in their own family.
I think we are just arguing semantics - to the basic person the use of a big cat is any cat that isn’t domestic. I’m speaking from a basic person POV not scientific
Caracal cats are WILD ANIMALS. They are extremely aggressive and territorial for seemingly no reason 💀. They are much happier in the wild, they belong in scrub forests and savanna’s BECAUSE THEY ARE WILD. THEY BELONG IN THE WILD 🤠
The things I do want to bring up are the only exotic cat channels I personally follow are Chloe the Serval, Luna the Panther and Pumba the Caracal (same with Gosha). Chloe looks like she is very well taken care of. She definitely loves her owners, especially her dad. Luna the Panther was rescued under a misunderstanding. That said, it looks like she’s under well care with her owners. There are at least two videos of her making happy growling noises that are pretty close to purring (I know panthers can’t purr). Pumba the caracal, from what I’ve observed of him, only really seems to have an issue with his dad. He’s usually very brother loving with his older sibling Izjuma, and many videos have shown him being affectionate with his mom. (There’s only one rare instance I can think of where he’s hissed at his mom, but in the end, he really seems to love her more a lot). Gosha is also definitely well taken care of and a channel I enjoy. He also proves caracals are capable of doing more than just hissing. I think some caracals just don’t know how to make their distinct chirp meow or don’t bother.
There’s no evidence the puma was a rescue that I know of..just them claiming their is. I refuse to follow ANY channels who house wild cats because it’s supporting something problematic: these channels make others also want wild cats as pets..which further supports the cruel breeding and exploitation of these ENDANGERED WILD animals. It’s wrong. They’re also using these wild animals for money and clout, even if seemingly treating them well they’re still using them and adding to the abuse wild cats face in captivity
I've taken a look at the accounts you've mentioned. Chloe seems "happy" enough, but they're still encouraging ownership of wild animals. She wasn't a rescue, she was born of two "tame" servals as well. They fail to warn viewers against the reality of taking care of a serval. She also appears to be declawed. This plus the fact that her home is almost entirely smooth, slippery flooring is likely deeply uncomfortable for her.
@@M_J456 From what I know, she was already declawed when her owners adopted her. I highly doubt her current owners were the ones responsible for it. Plus she was already fully grown in a pretty late age when she was adopted so that further suggests it was someone previously who did that to her
I saw a video of the Big Floppa, and it was a video of him outside, His owner kept recording him, and he started hissing (ears pinned back and all). When other people started telling the owner to back off because Big Floppa clearly didn't want the attention, the channel's fandom started yelling about how Caracals communicated by hissing. 😢
Bringing wild cats into homes is just too risky; semi-enclosed outside enclosure? Fine. Controlled feedings? Even better! This is like keeping a shark in a pond
Haven't watched this yet, putting it on the watch later, just want to come in and say THANK YOU for talking about this! It's so frustrating and heartbreaking watching people normalize animal abuse because they just see "cute animal" and don't stop to think about the actual ramifications of that.
The sheer amount of pee and destruction these animals might leave in my home prevents me from even wanting to have one. I have had 4 relatively well behaved Maine Coon cats and the chaos they can cause is definitely enough (and not once have any of them urinated somewhere else besides their litterbox).
@@shirashiraonthewallhis owner never considered himself a rescuer, he said He took Messi out of regret and considered him just a lucky case, that Messi has grown so peaceful and calm, also Messi's owner begs audience to not do what he did about making a wild animal your pet
@@M_J456 Luna was a baby cub in the traveling zoo, and her mother rejected her. Luna's now-owner learnt they wanted to sell her to some bad hands since she didn't have a big chance of survival. Luna never had a chance to be in the wild, as you can see. So she could either save her or let her be sold to be made a fur coat or something.
The author of the video does not take into account that these animals were not stolen from the wild, but raised in zoos and nurseries. I am not in favor of keeping wild animals in apartments, but it is unlikely that a Puma raised among humans understands the choice in favor of wildlife, especially when it is a strict natural selection, not a happy life in the forest. (Watch more documentaries about animals) What I think the author of the video and many people here do not understand.
These “pet” big cats aren’t from zoos. It’s from people illegally catching wild ones, breeding them, and selling the babies as “pets”. YOU don’t seem to be the one to understand! These are BRED to SELL as pets..getting them is supporting this abuse of wild cats and DANGEROUS. These cats should be in zoos and sanctuaries not homes being overfed
thank you! you're one of the few accounts actually pointing this out 😔 any actual rescued wild animals that came from captivity, that have genuinely been rescued by competent people, have big outdoor enclosures, with the correct set up, the correct diet and enrichment, and definitely do not venture into homes, or lay in people's beds for cuddles... it's ridiculously irresponsible.
Floppa, from what I've been told, has a hormonal imbalance that makes him fat. Can't really confirm, and tbh I'm always skeptical about those kinds of excuses for exotics. I hate any instagram/tiktok/whatever that glamorizes these animals like they're house cats, though. They're absolutely not. There's a reason rescues and sanctuaries are at capacity. I'm all for responsible exotic animal ownership. I breed and own several reptiles, amphibians and fish myself. But I think there's certain animals that are just absolutely unreasonable to keep, especially for the average layperson with no experience working with these large, potentially dangerous creatures. If you are to keep these animals, you should have the correct permitting/licensing/be familiar with local laws, and do yearly wellness and enclosure checks to ensure their wellbeing. I don't understand the appeal of owning an exotic animal, if you're just going to try and domesticate it like a cat or dog. The appeal to most responsible keepers of exotics is to appreciate the animal for what it is, not try to make it into something it's not.
I feel like you should be against it across the board if you're going to be against it though. You're already endangering wild conservation efforts by encouraging the market to drag wild animals out of the wild and you're already potentially risking having an escaped exotic spread, even if they (probably) won't kill you. The "at least I don't own an exotic cat" folks are part of the problem and aren't any less so for owning a fish, lizard or bird instead of a cat. Like, I'm sorry, the UK has tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands non-native, technically "exotic" deer that don't belong here that don't help the deer overpopulation problem, and they can be deadly even without being big cats because they cause road accidents. If you're gonna be anti-exotic animal, at least do it properly and don't allow for any exotic to be owned as "pets" or brought over to estates from which they can escape becoming a menace to society. Any species can be, no matter how big or small they are.
Caracals hiss as a form of communication, primarily to express discomfort, warning, or agitation, similar to how other cats do; it's a way to signal to other animals, including humans, that they feel threatened or are not happy with the current situation, and should be left alone. Key points about caracal hissing: Warning sign: A hiss is a clear indication that a caracal is feeling stressed or potentially ready to defend itself if provoked further. Body language cues: Along with hissing, caracals may also display other body language signals like flattened ears, arched back, and a low growl to emphasize their discomfort.
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I HATE Big Floppa's situation... That cat is clearly unhappy, bored, obese, and understimulated. Sure, it can't go back to the wild obviously but there is absolutely no reason it should be in some person's home. It needs to be in a sanctuary or somewhere else where it can get natural mental and physical stimulation as well as exercise.
it 100% is just disassociating from being over fed lol
I dislike how fat he is. I see him on RUclips shorts.
It makes me so sad to see obese animals. They're always so sad, so tired, no energy to do what their paws itch to do. Just because they aren't heaving each breath like their last, doesn't mean it won't eventually some day.
its disgusting and why are all the caracals ive seen people keeping obese?? like caracals in the wild are the athletes of the feline world, you would never see one that overweight in the wild. they literally jump meters in the air to catch birds and its so sad that these "pet" caracals will never get to do anything like that.
Not only that I'm pretty sure they ONLY feed him chicken. When he should be getting a variety of prey foods.
The worst part for me is how these animals are almost always obsese
This! It's literally almost always the case. Incredibly sad. It get's played off as "cute" often as well. And don't even think about saying something about that in the comments, since the whole comment section will come after you, telling you that the owner will for sure know what they're doing...
Yup. There is a clear lack of understanding that "spoiling" doesn't always mean "love" and abuse doesn't need to come in the form of starvation or beatings to count as such.
Tbh that's the case in the vast majority of any pets. It's sad seeing all the cat/dog videos and see all the obese animals and how these videos rewire people's brains about how a "normal" pet should look.
They’re almost always obese (such as many house cats bc owners are ill-informed on dietary needs) and this in turn exacerbates the idea that wild / exotic pet cats are overly aggressivs. They’re really just in pain and not being cared for properly in any capacity. Unnecessary abuse that needs to end on the exotic and domestic side…. 💔
People are getting so used to pets being obese, animals in general actually.
I saw a video of a bear the other day, clearly an adolescent so really lanky, but it had a really nice coat and a nice covering of fat. Lean though, I don't know when the video was taken but I would guess in the spring- either way it was in fantastic condition, and the comments were all crying about how the poor thing was starving. And no, it wasn't not even remotely.
And it's the exact same with dogs and cats. Especially the leaner breeds of dogs - like greyhounds for instance- there are people indignantly in the comment section saying how you "should never see the ribs!" Except, yes for a dog like that you should be able to just see the last few ribs with some nice fat padding. Some breeds have more fat padding at a good weight and some less, but they should all have a distinct waist and people have really no idea.
Exotic "pets" aren't actually pets. They are simply a statement from the owner, "I have an irresponsibly large pool of money to waste on an animal in an active attempt to make its life worse."
Anything you own for your enjoyment is a pet, by the literal definition. You can have a pet chicken, or even a pet rock. Trying to claim non-domesticated animals aren’t pets is pure semantics.
@@prickly_procyonids Cool, you can't have a "pet" caracal though, because they aren't "pets" in my eyes, they are wild animals.
Chickens are pets because they are domesticated.
Rocks are not pets because they aren't animals.
I own a TV and laptop for entertainment and would never consider them as pets, because they are possessions for enjoyment, meanwhile pets are domesticated companions. You, of course, can have your own definitions, and so can l. I do not subscribe to such belief that being a pet quantifies as "Anything you own for your enjoyment is a pet" and never will. Either way, semantics aside, I assume we can both agree that these animals aren't in proper conditions and shouldn't be under ownership like this, which should be the focus... not this.
[Edit: Also, by literal definition, you mean one of many interpretations of the definition. Both mine and yours are interpretations of the meaning toward the word "pet." And there are dictionaries that host both interpretations.]
@@prickly_procyonids When I was a kid, there was an expression "teacher's pet" for a student the teacher seemed to prefer. "Oh, Jenny is such a teacher's pet!" Never implied the teacher owned that child. "Pet" was also a nickname for something you loved or cherished. In stories set in Victorian era, a father or grandfather will say to his daughter or grand daughter, "Oh, my pet. You will like boarding school!"
@@misspinkpunkykat Why are you arguing semantic bullshit when the real problem here is that people are taking non domesitcated animals and using them as pets.
@@misspinkpunkykat Wrong reply sorry!!!!
The overweight exotic cat is so infuriating. Not only are you damning them to an unnatural life in your home to serve your ego, but you’re torturing them by over feeding them and making them morbidly obese. The cat is likely in so much pain due to the extra weight crushing their joints. Any animal in your care being overweight is neglect unless you’re actively working on managing their weight.
They said he’s on a “diet” lmaooooo I don’t see it working
This is so wrong on so many levels
@@shirashiraonthewall they've been stating that for years and I've only seen him getting worse
"It's a domesticated caracal/fox/lynx!" NO ITS NOT. Domestication takes GENERATIONS. The closest word you're looking for is "tame" and even then it's a stretch. People don't understand what domestication is and I'm so glad you brought it up because these people always use that as an excuse for owning wild animals, as if a domesticated (insert obviously wild animal here) is a real thing at all. It drives me insane.
House cats can be feral or tame, but they are domesticated (mostly).
Big cats are feral, can be tame and not domesticated.
And bonus because pet fox owners on insta piss me off too:
Foxes are feral, can be tame, WERE ATTEMPTED TO BE DOMESTICATED BUT ULTIMATELY WEREN'T AND NO, THE FOX YOU BOUGHT ONLINE IS NOT THE DECENDANT OF A FAILED EXPERIMENT THAT TOOK PLACE BEFORE YOU WERE BORN. THEY ARE NOT DOMESTICATED.
Uhm. Not trying to advocate for wild animal domestication, but as far as I know the fox domestication experiement didn't fail. They selectively bred foxes for domestication to study the process. And surprise: those foxes, similiar to dogs, show certain characteristics typical for domestication. Sure, those foxes may not be lapdogs, but the experiment is still running lol
@@rotepixie I think I heard of the experiment that person is talking about... and I heard that after they were done with the experiment they killed all of the foxes off, even the ones who were most tame.
The experiment didn't fail so much that those domestic foxes have a distinct breed name: silver fox. It was a landmark experiment in understanding domestication and was very much a success.
@@rotepixie the study was flawed as the foxes were from fur farms, not wild foxes. the process just made more tame foxes. it didn't go nearly far enough to come close to creating a domestic fox. you can even look it up. the wording they use is "tame," not "domesticated." breeding an animal to have a specific coat or ears isn't domestication.
@@speedydoggo You cannot domesticate a wild animal in a few generations. It takes hundreds of breeding cycles (and that means culling the majority of individuals that do not possess the desired behaviour, so slaughtering most of the offspring) and hundreds or thousands of years. ON TOP OF WHICH, most animals are simply NOT POSSIBLE to be domesticated -- they need to naturally possess the necessary behavioural and physical characteristics that humans can hijack for their own purposes.
There's a reason we didn't domesticate zebras, despite them existing side by side humans for all time -- because it doesn't work.
The people defending Floppa being overweight are infuriating “what’s your bmi” why does that matter? I get to choose my food, the cat doesn’t
There’s only one TikTok account that has a (small) exotic cat, that constantly warns against getting one. He emphasizes that making sure his cat is mentally stimulated is a full time job. He takes her out in nature to climb and run, as well as very large system of wall mounts that his cat can climb and run around on at home. Even with everything he does, his cat often still has a lot of energy and craves hunting and stimulation.
Pets aren’t accessories, especially ones that are exotic and can and will hunt anything given the opportunity
That’s amazing! Totally agree too
He’s part of the problem. Telling people do as I say not as I do is not helpful.
He’s still glamorizing it for public attention.
If that is who I think it is, then it is less "exotic" (its a Savannah, which is a breed between Serval and domesticated cat) than these cats but still needs loads of exercise and stimulation and he does a really good job of providing it whilst warning about ownership.
@@guy8646 its a savannah, and it looks far from f1 generation. he isnt part of the problem. its a high energy cat at that point like a husky ina cats world
If it’s the one I’m thinking of I think it’s a Savannah cat which are technically domestic kinda
We had a bobcat when i was a kid. Our dog brought him home as a tiny newborn kitten. We kept him buuuut he was allowed to come and go as he pleased. After about 4 years, he just left and never came back. This was after a year or so of getting more and more wild.
My grandma used to have a fox that would stay all day outside and come inside for the night he was a amazing lil guy
@LilGreenBeanPyro foxes smell worse then skunks 🤮
@@joecamel919 it's honestly disgusting to let wild animal sleep inside your house.. I get letting them in the garage or garden shed, but house? Are people not afraid of parasites or catching some disease? It's not like wild animals go to the vet. And I am not even talking about the worst case (rabies)..
@Pirates.27 Bla Bla Bla l
I keep snakes turtles a beagle and geckos. All of those are wild animals except the beagle.
@@joecamel919
A properly cared for animal does not stink, and some stink isn’t actually stink, ppl are just incredibly pampered. Ppl have to get used to it. As an example, many who have had bad experiences with others owning ferrets, saying they stink, is usually attributed to the person not taking care of the animal. All ferrets are desacked, so they do not ‘stink’ nearly as bad as they would if they were in the wild. They don’t even stink in all actuality, they have a musky smell, which is about as strong as the smell of a wet dog (but imo not as bad as a dog, and I have a Labsky).
If your animal is properly bathed, enclosure is kept clean, and they are healthy, with a healthy diet… They. will. not. stink. Some smells aren’t stink, they are just natural odors that we have to get used to if we want to care for an animal that we love. It’s just like your pet dog getting an infection that you can pamper and make the smell go down but sometimes that’s all you can do is treat it and get used to it. Those who say that wild animals stink have never actually been around a properly cared for homed “wild animal”. Before anything is said, I have absolutely been around foxes. I am a zoology student and I take the welfare, accurate education, rehabilitation, and conservation of animals very seriously.
Not gonna lie I always wanted to have a wild cat, but my two brain cells always knew that this wasn't a good idea, so what did I do with that? I started rescuing domestic cats, problems solved, and I don't have to worry that my furry babies will bite my head off if I will piss them off.
YESSS!!!! I love rescuing kitties I think I’m gonna start fostering kitties too when I get my own place
If you really wanted some spice in your life you could do a TNR program for ferals too!
Yeah! I hang out with feral cats and they're completely different, but it's fun to see them become a house cat. Literally, they learn to demand food quite quickly and will follow the foster home to the kitchen xD
I hate seeing people owning these exotic cats because it really shows just how ignorant they are. These cats aren't normal domestic cats, they're wild animals waiting for the perfect time to harm you, or any living thing around you.
AMEN
The panther specifically was raised from a baby, some of these are special cases but agreed
@@astron4606Sure but even if you don’t think it’s dangerous, a large WILD cat wouldn’t have a very good quality of life when kept in a house like a domestic cat. A sanctuary would do a much better job at giving them enough space, with dirt and grass to walk on (or trees to climb, if they do that in the wild). If you want an ‘exotic’ cat, but want to keep it in your house and treat it almost the same as a normal cat, then just get a cat :/
Just cause they're wild doesn't mean they wanna kill you lmao
And then when there inevitably try to hurt them they say they have a mental issue or something and put them down
I hate Pumba's video's I've said a few times on there video's that that is not a happy cat but there fans are like they don't meow like a normal cat he growls and hisses to show he is happy.
No No they don't pinned ears, swatting and a swishing tail is not a happy cat.
All of these cats that shown all show sign's of stress at some point on there accounts but no one seems to see the issue.
Nah he looks very unhappy like 99% of the time, I get it, angry floppa gets more clicks - but to piss him off for views?? Something ain’t right about pumbas stuff
He's fine. He does that when the owner whips out the camera but other than that he is sweet.
@@kathrynkrider2630 This is the other excuse I hate, "he is sweet when the camera is off him"
Then they know what there doing with the camera if that's the case.
I know what annoys my animals and I avoid it because its stressful on them being constantly torment by something they don't like.
Would they like it if I did something to them they find annoying constantly I think not. So why do it to an animal.
@@kathrynkrider2630Do you genuinely believe this? And, if so, why do you believe it? How would you know? Because there's no chance in hell that the owners would be honest if their money-printe-I mean, wild and unhappy animal was being aggressive, as that would show signs of incompetence and could result in them losing their "totally sweet" wild cat.
On top of that it's a WILD statement that caracals can't meow or make other noises. YES THEY CAN, if you look at sanctuary caracals, they make a fair amount of different vocalizations and you don't really hear them hissing.
I used to clean carpets and there was a regular we had who needed her basement cleaned because her serval ate frozen quail and got blood all over the floor. When i went in there the first time there was a giant litterbox in every room and it smelled so weird. Not like cat pee. Muskier. While i was sitting down with her trying to determine what she needed, this 5yo serval rubbed against her and turned and fuckint SPRAYED her in the chest.
Her response? "Oh she is just marking me because I'm her mom"
Bitch no
HAHAHAHAHAHA STOP OMG WTF 😂😂😂😂😂😂 thank you for this!!!
@shirashiraonthewall she had legit let that cat(Elsa of all names) run her house and her kids had to barricade their rooms. It was insane
Holy Jesus what is WRONG with people I literally can’t
LMFAO WHAT??
These people shouldn't even have a regular house cat. wtf.
@BirboBirbums she retired early to get this cat lol it was a dream and she was literally living a nightmare
I have an exotic cat.
Aka a beautiful black and white short hair that’s MEANT to be inside.
Idk why people want exotic cats when there are so many cats waiting to be rescued from a shelter that are just as adorable and cuddly.
Don’t make a wild cat suffer and save a domestic one. It’s not that hard and WAY less dangerous and expensive.
So many gorgeous sad kitties and puppies in shelters and you choose TO STEAL ONE FROM THE WILD???? I hate people
@ realest
If domestic house cats are “meant to be inside” then why are there millions of feral cats that are completely incapable of being tamed down and kept inside as pets, and that make servals or hybrid cats “meant to be outside” look like angels?
@shirashiraonthewall The overwhelming majority of exotic cats in the USA, Canada, Russia, and Europe are captive bred by specialty breeders. Zoos are the ones importing wild caught animals (on occasion) for their breeding programs to maintain genetic diversity.
There is no scientific evidence that these animals are being smuggled, nor is there any incentive for us to do so, as it is CHEAPER to buy from a breeder than it is to import (legal or illegally) ANY animal.
@@prickly_procyonids the thing about feral cats is that it IS possible to tame them with hard work and dedication, and feral cats are descendants of house cats who somehow managed to get outside. You mention servals but servals aren’t meant to be house cats, no matter how sweet they seem compared to feral cats. Keeping a wild cat inside of a house is like keeping a dolphin in a 20x20 foot tank, it’s not humane and isn’t healthy for the animal. While feral cats can adjust and live a happy healthy life inside of a home, wild cats cannot.
The only reason ANYONE should own a wild cat is if it’s injured and cannot be released back to the wild and if they have the proper education and licenses, take for instance the zoos you mention. The only times animals are taken from the wild are if they cannot be brought back to their natural habitat and they are bred to keep the species alive. In the USA it is completely illegal to breed or buy a wild cat without any knowledge or licenses or intention to sell them only to make a profit and anywhere else it’s just unethical and selfish.
I don’t see your argument here. I completely understand it’s your opinion and all and I’ll respect it but the points you’re making aren’t very strong, I don’t understand why someone cant just adopt a helpless shelter cat.
Russia actually had a program during the USSR and up until the early 00s to domesticate foxes. It took about 10 generations of selective breeding to show early successes and 40 in total to be declared done, they those were more suited to domestication because foxes live in dens with one another. These lynx (and other cats) have not gone through a similar breeding program, they're wild animals that tolerate human presence because you feed them. If your animal tolerates you but lashes out against other people, it's a wild animal.
The same institution failed to achieve the same success with river otters, because the more "tame" they got them the more skittish they were around humans. Some animals simply can't be fully domesticated.
And then there are domesticated dogs, especially of the "guard dog" variety that do just that - they tolerate you and lash out at everyone else. And of course, domesticated animals can become feral.
Plus, those foxes still don't exactly "dog" and are a lot of trouble. So they're not particular suited to the domestic life either.
Yeah and those foxes sucked as pets. They were very destructive and were high energy
@@smalltime0like guenea fowl
Yep.
These animals are tamed, not domesticated. People confuse the two words very often.
There's a recent case in Norway where someone illegally imported a serval(it's against the law to own wild animals here). One day he got out from the apartment where she lived, and was seen and taken photos of that ended up in the news. While the owner managed to hide for a while, she was caught earlier this year, and the serval taken. After selfishly putting him in that much risk, fortunately he wasn't put down. And it seems like he'll get to live on in one of the wildlife parks here.
11:41 not to mention understimulation is a very big problem with domesticated pets i would assume it's a thousand times worse for these wild animals. No it is ABSOLUTELY NOT happier being fed cat feed from a can it WANTS and absolutely NEEDS to hunt
Overstimulation and under-stimulation are EXTREMELY BAD for all animals, if a wild animal is under-stimulated they will literally start harming themselves. And if overstimulated they could start harming other people and animals
Animals don’t “need” to hunt. Exotic cats have just as strong of a prey drive as domestic house cats, yet we don’t give our kitties live mice to torment every day and neither do zoos or sanctuaries. Why do these exotic cats magically “need” to hunt when they’re kept as pets but not when they’re at zoos?
Have you ever heard of a concept called enrichment? We replace a live mouse with a toy that the cat can chase, jump at, and so on…
@@prickly_procyonids
1) good zoos dont give give animals a plate of food and call it a day. they place it around the enclsure to simulate hunting/stimulate the animal
2) a domestic cat's prey drive is not equivalent to a wild cat's
3) these exotic "pets" need a lot more stimulation and enrichment than living in an house allows for
@@prickly_procyonids Domesticated cats still hunt for birds and others given the opportunity (if they have access to outdoors). Basically everyone with an outdoor cat knows that since only very few cats are too lazy to hunt. And in most of these cases that’s the consequence of understimulation, especially too little physical activity.
And countless owners of domesticated cats simply don’t catch their cat hunting or overlook the obvious signs.
Hunting is so important for the overall well-being of any cat and substituting it in human captivity by playing and then feeding is only trying fix a situation that is problematic in the first place. Humans keeping animals shouldn’t be a thing in the first place 😢
@@prickly_procyonids ALL animals literally NEED to hunt. They're literally evolved too as a part of their life cycle. It's the same as playing, they need to move around and do things for themselves.
People aren't always fed a plate of junk food their whole lives. When they grow up they have to make it themselves. They can't just sit around and become fatter by the days.
its also so easy to tell when these animals are ACTUALLY in the care of rescue or not. every time i see a rescue big cat the person in the video makes it clear why the animals not in the wild, you can see the zoo level cages to ensure its getting enough enrichment outside without the risk of escaping. hell, the few times ive seen vids of actual rescue exotic animals inside a house they emphisize that its not a pet, and the place looks like a ranger station not a suburban living room
100% agreed!
Urban rescue ranch got two bobcat kittens that he will reintroduce to the wild (I think) and while they are adorable, his hands are destroyed from all the play biting and scratching one of the kittens do. It's really cute how she wants to play with him, but he's her chew toy. Even tho she is comfortable with him around, you can see she's still a wild animal. I can't even imagine owning them as pets.
Oh ouch it hurts when my little dog bites me I can’t imagine bobcats lol
YES! me and my father watch him all the time. he hasn’t released them yet he is still domesticating them, but he takes such good care of them i wish the other people that “rescue” them would do it like that.
@@shirashiraonthewallyeah i cant even stand it when my cat scratches me 😭 only Becuase their playing and their kittens :) and they are crazy little things
@@ratty_soupXx0 he is not domesticating them** they are orphan baby mammals that need love from a mama to be healthy, but they're just about big enough to go outside and learn how to be independant without him. he did the same thing with his coyotes and beavers.
@ oh alr i didnt rlly know how to word it but thank you!
I don’t have wild animals but I have part feral barn cats. When giving treatment I have been hissed at and clawed. When putting them in a carrier I have been bit and scratched so bad and sent to urgent care. These guys are also the same cuties I have been loving, feeding and caring for since they were kittens. It’s not their fault. Natural instincts take over. Same with these wild cats. You can’t blame them for not being perfect all the time. They sometimes don’t even know their own strength. It’s scary how many people have them and probably don’t properly take care of them
Perfect analogy
Servals and exotic felines act infinitely more tame and handleable than feral cats. Funnily enough, you’re making a good argument for why domestication DOESN’T matter, because feral cats are way worse pets than sand cats or servals despite being domesticated.
That’s the complete opposite though. Feral cats are domesticated cats that have not been socialised correctly around humans. These exotic cats are wild animals that have been somewhat socialised around humans (but are still wild animals with wild instincts and strength, and should be in a sanctuary.)
I get what you mean, but it’s just not quite the same. Hope none of this comment sounded rude, and I’m glad you look out for those semi-feral cats!
People saw the chimp that attacked his owner and got the BRIGHT IDEA to own a deadly lynx , amazing 😀
The difference between a chimp and a lynx is night and nightmare. Chimps are possibly the worst pet ever and even some zoos refuse to get them.
This might shock you but a lynx and a chimp are two entirely different species.
@Maspets chimpanzees are the #1 worst pet in the world. Everything else is just fighting for 2nd place.
But zebras at the very least deserve my admiration. The one at the zoo put a 6.9 foot cowboy from Texas in the er and canceled his entire career. And any animal that can put Chuck Norris in a hospital room needs respect.
@@Maspets Both insanely dangerous to humans too, except most people don't realize exactly how freaking strong a chimp is. Wildcats like lynxes are known to be dangerous though! Neither of them should be pets because even if you can somehow meet all their needs, all it takes is one bad day, one bad freakout, and they can seriously injure or even kill someone.
@@PridefulShadow Yet magically, no one has ever been killed. Can you say that for dogs?
I feel so bad about big floppa because my bf loves his page and I've always felt like something was off about the owners, my bf even bought their merch (which is terrible quality the t-shirt design got half faded in just 5 washes he's had it for a year now and it's barely visible anymore).
Awwwwwww he’s supporting floppa that’s cute
Oh God 🤦♀️🤦♂️
They’re always obese and I’ve noticed most of them are also declawed and sometimes even defanged. It’s cruel and they’re ALWAYS visibly stressed and miserable. It makes me LIVID!
Why does it feel like a hot take to say that if you can’t get it at a normal pet shop you should not have it as a pet
Not always obese but quite often
I will never understand people who want to own wild animals. Like how are you gonna look at stories like travis the chimp and Humphrey the hippo, and think "my wild animal would never do that to me"
A lot of the time thats actualyl what happens, yes
Personally, if I had a pet chimp and learned about those stories, it's going straight to a zoo. I have no idea how those people think that it wont happen to them.
Everybody thinks they're gonna be the exception, only to realise, as the leopard eats their face, that they were always the rule.
I mean, I'm pretty sure my conures and cockatiels can't kill me, but I get what you mean. They still demolish my furniture if I don't make sure they're entertained and stimulated enough. That being said, I don't recommend them as pets for most people. Most people don't have the time and space to accommodate their needs.
@@chibiusa4072"I didn't think they would eat MY face sobs woman who voted for lepards-eating-faces party", but they make the joke literal.
The Puma shown in the beginning reel is named Messi. He has a condition that stunts his growth. He is far smaller than Pumas should be. He can’t be released because every wild puma would body him and he’d never hold territory for hunts. The man who owns him got him from a zoo since he has enough time and open areas to care for him so the zoo wouldn’t have to give him extra and special care.
People need to do more research and not assume the worst of everything they see. As a zoology student, it pains me because the situation’s are often more shades of gray then we realize. The Internet really has reprogrammed everyone to immediately take some thing as rage bait, rant on it, and refuse scientifically accurate education on the topic.
ok, but still putting these things on the internet without context will make some idiot want a pet puma.
also as she pointed out, people love to say their animal is a special rescue to deflect criticism. Yeah I'm sure you did your research by (checks notes) taking their word.
that's fair but does he live in the house? or does he have a nice big enclosure with all the stimulation and enrichment required? if that's the case then brilliant. he doing a good job. if it goes in the house, sleeps on a bed and is kept like a domestic pet then that's still not cool. :(
@Nukaria Messi goes in the house, but also has access to a huge outside area and plenty of stimulation, he even has his own room! Not so say that his situation is 100% as ideal as it could be, but his owners are doing as good of a job as they can, especially considered he was in line to be euthanized due to his medical issues.
They have a cheetah called Gerda too who has a similar backstory. She's not being abused or mistreated in any way.
They should stop taking those floppas from the wild and go raise one In roblox instead
REAL
Agree, I don’t want to hurt real floppa animals
For real!!!
Real! They'd probably manage to make their Roblox pet obese too though-
We need exotic nintendogs for these people
Sorry for the depressing input… but I’ve noticed a ton of people also over feeding exotic animals…. Not only for the “chonk” aesthetic but I believe also because it keeps them pacified & if they’re obese they tend to be less energetic right? So easier to control. I totally believe thats part of the reason they do it.
i'm inclined to agree with you, there's a girl i watch called "girl with the dogs" that washes pets and a lot of the obese animals barely move and are obviously in discomfort when they have to be moved because they can't on their own very well.
I’m familiar with Messi and Luna. And Floppa. Messi is developmentally challenged. And his people have a very strong relationship. They take really good care of him. They even took him to dog training class. Luna’s handler actually works with wildlife. That cat gets plenty of enrichment inside and out. And plenty of affection. Both Messi and Luna are in good hands. I really don’t have an issue with their situations. I really can’t say much about Floppa because he’s always pissed off. My judgment is that he’s probably dangerous to live with. Normally, I also feel that we should leave wildlife in the wild. I don’t like zoos. Circus’. Etc. I don’t know what happened to Zeus and Hera. I used to follow them long ago. Zeus was a Serval and Hera was a Savannah owned by Vegas Barbie. She bred them together. I have mixed feelings about her. She was very kind and gentle but she definitely was using them for money and was planning on making a profit from their kittens too. I stopped watching them because I was having a moral issue with it. Messi and Luna, I do not have an issue. The others I am not familiar with.
Yes this! I get not fully beleiving the stories fully cause sceptisim is normal, but Messi has dwarfism and Luna was found orphaned as a cub last I checked. They're both vert socialized and taken care of. Also Messi's owners have been posting content of her since I was in like middleschool.
@@allykatt5865Luna's mother rejected her
@@allykatt5865Messi is female??
Yeah, except that one time Luna’s owner thought it would be a great idea to put her and a horse in close proximity. It went about as well as you’d expect. Apart from that rather questionable decision, I generally enjoy their content.
@@vermillionc0reMessi is male, Luna is female
Idk why you'd want an exotic WILD cat when the perfect cat shaped companion exists, the domestic cat. Honestly it's probably for the fame/money that comes with having an unusual pet but for me it doesn't sound worth it. I'll stick with my tuxedo DSH.
There’s even domesticated cats that could look similar to wild cats! Look at Maine coons! And Maine coons can make great pets if you know how to take care of them and give them the proper space and diets!
SO MANY KITTIES IN SHELTERS NEED LOVE AND YOU WANT AN ANIMAL THAT PREFERS BEING IN THE WILD????? 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
@@shirashiraonthewall also for the people who claim them adopting animals from the wild as rescuing, adopting a cat or dog from a shelter is also rescuing them! Especially from kill shelters!
I agreee!!!!
@@shirashiraonthewallWhy are you talking nonsense? These animals were bred in zoos and kennels and have lived in cages for generations.
I too think it is wrong to keep these animals in small homes, but maybe you shouldn't say infantile things and mislead people.
You are literally suggesting that these animals should be sent to certain death just because their ancestors lived in the jungle.
Alot of people may not know this but wolves aren't the oldest species of canine. Everyone erroneously says domesticated dogs are descendants of wolves but wolves themselves are descendants of an older species of canine. Not trying to be that guy but it's a common fallacy that all dogs are wolf blood or that wolves are the original canine.
Yep! It’s really fascinating! It would have taken 10 minutes to explain actual origins of dogs lol very complex
Dogs are still descendants of wolves, just probably not *gray* wolves. There’s some debate as to whether or not dogs are direct descendants of gray wolves, or a species closely related to them.
And wolves being descendants of an older species of canines doesn’t mean dogs are suddenly not descended from them anymore. That would be like saying homo sapiens are not descendants of homo erectus because homo erectus evolved from homo habilis. They’re all related, just split apart based on the era they lived in, like a grandparent to a parent to a child.
Nothing you said indicates that dogs didn't evolves from wolves. Or am I missing something?
@@hollowkid97 Yeah, this guy doesn't understand evolution like AT ALL.
hes maybe talking about how wolves looked before their final form or before the last ice age
i dont freaking know
my brain hurts
Only professional zoos/ animal rehabs(or rescues) should be able to own these animals, not someone who keeps them in their apartment or small house
Amen
That’s pretty true😊
You don’t need a PHD to take care of a sand cat or other small exotic feline. Plenty of your lauded “animal experts” are just random people who really love animals and had no formal background in anything zoology related when they began owning exotics, like Steve Irwin or Urban Rescue Ranch.
Hell no.
@@Maspets so your saying people who cannot provide the proper care for these animals should be able to keep these animals as house pets?
2:36 - Lynx don’t live in a jungle. They are native to Poland and some parts of Russia.
And in the US, though uh... not very many considering how endangered they are, which is worse. Owning an endangered animal like it's no problem is just not a very good thing. They need to be protected in the wild
I feel like out of all the accounts said Luna the Pantera is probably mildly better. The owner takes her out and around the woods along with building her a pretty big climbing thingy?? She also said that when Luna was a few days old her mother rejected her and so the zoo threw her out, but I'm not sure if that's even true. And no, I'm not trying to defend her.
No you’re all good I also don’t believe that story lol seems… fishy
Luna’s owner still has issues, though. Like that one time she videoed Luna (an undomesticated predator, mind you) meeting horses (a prey animal). Obviously, it went pretty bad, and no genuinely responsible owner would even attempt that.
Wait srsly? That seems irresponsible
@@AgentRoswell That's definetly true. Idk who would think it's a good idea to show a predator prey lol.
Seriously, from what I've seen of Luna, the owners does a lot horrible wrong. Letting a large, used to humans panther run around free when she could very well be a danger to humans, other animals, and so on. Or how they had a video where they 'introduced' her to a horse and so on.
I thought this was going to be about bengal cats. I'm so sheltered 💀
Everytime somone talks about Pumba's madness people be like "Naww, thatsthe way they communicate". The same answer over and over again which seems made by bots. Caracals have a large variety of sounds and for God sake, hissing means that the beast there is freaking pissed off. No other explanations. Dammit.
Yeah, Pumba is definitely angry and in stress all the time
The only exotic and wild cats I wanna see are from sanctuary pages. Like Ollie the Blind Tiger who was pepper sprayed as a left behind cub so wild life authorities didn’t feel it was safe to leave him out.
There’s plenty of sanctuary pages that need the attention, could use the donations, and actually respect the wild animals by giving them space and rarely go in their cages, feeding them fresh meat, making them exercise from outside or putting toys in the pool to make them swim, etc. and they all advise they are wild animals that can and kill you, and the animals they have in their care are because these cats are normally endangered and/or due to previous injuries/health problems they won’t make it alive in the wild.
yes!!!
Warning on Pretty Litter and something pet parents should keep an eye out for- I've heard a lot of kitties get urinary tract infections after they switch to it. Not sure if it's BECAUSE of the litter or because pet owners who use it just statistically keep a closer eye on their pet's health, but it's something to be mindful about regardless ! I've heard it's a downfall of silica based litters in general.
Shout out to how I got called slurs in the comments for saying that Pumba was being abused. Those people need to be kept far away from animals and never own pets, not even a pet rock.
Yeah, those people are just toxic egomaniacs
They are meatriding abusers for the sake of what? Validation? That their parents didnt give them
I love characals but owning them and having them in a small space is very bad. If you look at Pumba he is severly overweight wich can couse a shit ton of problems later on. And a caracal can only if at all get attached to a person if they had them since they were a baby and i repeat STRICTLY ONE PERSON IF ANY while that caracal looked all cudly and nice to that person it could very well not even hesitate to attack another person. They also are not a fan of being cuddled i dont general.
My favorite channel that kinda does this is Save A Fox,but the difference between them and all these other channels is that THEY ARE A SHELTER FOR FOXES SAVED FROM FUR FARMS.
They aren’t all owned by one person to be fancy,they are there to be safe from being murdered for their fur. And I appreciate that kind of stuff.
Owning a caracal is just asking for something bad to happen.
Same with the other sanctuaries I follow.
hate to break it to you but save a fox isn't all that great either. they've been accused of purchasing foxes to "hoard" rather than rescuing them and not feeding them properly
Pisses me off that a lot of these animals are really fat and really obese. It shows that the owners don’t feed them properly and I think people think obese animals are cute but they’re not.
Lowkey big floppas health concerns me insanely because ever since the roblox ‘raise a floppa’ came out I’ve had a giant Hyperfixation on floppa for like 3 years now. I can admit that I’ve bought merch, and made my own as well. I really wish they took better care of him because I genuinely have a deep love for Gosha and all caracals. I don’t think I’ll stop being a huge ride or die for floppas, but my enjoyment of them and their species doesn’t mean I think them being mistreated is okay. Sure, I’m glad Gosha seems comfortable and happy and loves his owners. but he is clearly overweight and I worry about him a lot. I don’t think people should defend goshas weight even if they like him. As floppa fans we should strive to help him and encourage his owners to get him better. They should be wild and live long healthy lives. I’ve also always been more worried about pumba because while Gosha seems so comfortable with his owners, but pumba looks genuinely uncomfortable and distressed to be around his owners. They are endangered animals and I have literally cried over that fact. I want all Caracas to be safe and happy.
Anyways I don’t want to ramble on an insane amount more so. Yea.
Also a floppa cryptocoin is so corny 😭 leave my goat Gosha out of that
Omg pumba stuff looks sus… like? They clearly piss him off for videos. Also they seem VERY wealthy and just keep him around as a toy. It’s weird. Bad vibes from pumbas owners
Big Floppa be us tho when we come back from dinner at our grandmother's place. No but fr tho, I feel bad for the big kitty, I don't wanna see him check out early either :(
These people should really just work in rescue centers if they want to be around the animals so badly .
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Thank you for making this video! Every time I complain online about people owning big cats I get totally jumped on by fans of cats like Big Floppa. No one outside of dedicated big cat rescues or zoos should be owning these cats.
"tHe cArAcAl iS sO aGgReSsiVe iT sCrAtChEs pEoPlE" QUOTE FROM A LITERAL SHORT. I WONDE MAYBE BECUASE IT'S A WILD FUCKING ANIMAL?!
I absolutely LOVE wild cats. Lynx, servals, leopards, margays, you name it. They are not pets. I do not want one as a pet.
As someone from a counrry where the Serval and carcal (aka floopa) are native animals you can find (especially if you live in thr countryside). It breaks my heart to see this, not even locals dare touch them 💔
1:20 You need to be Pun-ished for your punny misdeeds
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Messi was bought from a local petting zoo in 2016 , he's a dwarf puma and can not go back into the wild the owner has a big yard for him , and his sister gerda the cheetah is also a rescue
They are not pets. Neglect is a form of animal abuse.
When they bought him they lived in a studio apartment. They are not animal rescuers. Of course he can't go back to the wild. They bought him from an abusive, exploitative situation and have continued to exploit him. He has no skills and would die in the wild and that's entirely the fault of humans, including his owners.
Some of the cats were rescues like Messi the puma.
Omg I have an old man too!!! He’s 16 and also is a black cat!!
Awwwwwwwwwww we love old kitties
My childhood cat was 29 before she died.. I hope your cats live long like her
@@Germmillionswow that's so old!! my cat is 17 and he's starting to have really bad arthritis :(
@@kierstynsaoirse aw :( make sure to give him lots of love
This is the first time I actually learned who Big Floppa was... I assumed it was just a cute name for any big eared cat, I didn't realize it was a specific cat. Nor did I realize he was someone's "pet"(Ill taken care of pet at that). Makes the memes a lot less cute knowing this. :(
I been seeing Pumba the Caracal a lot lately and I been recommended a lot of these types of videos on the RUclips algorithm.
I, personally, love my domesticated cat and find her thrilling and "exotic" enough to love and care for as if she were my own kin. If you think you need to have a litteral wild animal to feel like you have a small apex predator living with you, clearly you have never had an actual cat.
Just another reason why social media is a bad thing for many people. If they weren’t making money off the backs these poor animals they probably wouldn’t own them. No one should own any animal that belongs in the wild. If they cannot be released back to their natural habitat then they need to be at a spacious rescue/rehab that could provide give them their best life. Shame on Russia for allowing this to happen to these beautiful creatures. Shame on everyone who is exploiting them
Actually, no, cats ARE domesticated; domestication is a speciation event, a cat is genetically different species from it's wild ancestor (F. lybica). The difference is that dogs have +75.000 years of being domestic compared to the cats ~12.000 years ago AND dogs have been bred with specific purposes that need different temperaments and conformations whereas cats did their small pest control function pretty good without humans having to modify them (to the point cat breeds, unlike dog breeds, are a relatively recent thing: moggies in dogs come from purebreeds, but in cats purebreeds come from moggies).
No animal can be "half-domesticated", they're either tame wildlife or a domestic species.
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Scientists keep changing whether they’re a different species or a subspecies since they’re still very similar and readily crossbreed which is endangering pure wildcats
And not 75k or 35. Earth is much younger
I agree. There’s a lot of different information I could find, not sure which was the most reliable but thank you! A lot of places said “semi-domesticated” so idk
@shirashiraonthewall It's mostly because unlike other domestics we've not greatly modified their behaviors, because we really didn't need to. Compared to dogs, horses and cattle (though these last vary wildly) cats didn't need to be "modified" much, if anything the greatest behavioral change they had is that they stopped being afraid of us (which, considering they're a small carnivore that's also prey, is a pretty big change).
The myth that they're semi-domestic is also harmful from a ecological standpoint, because some people might reach that the conclusion that since they're "not-fully domestic" they should live outside, which apart from the existential threat to birds/reptiles/amphibians/arthropods is also an active threat to actual wildcats due to interspecies breeding (the scottish wildcat is the latest case of this, in the past their ancestor species the african wildcat was threatened but thanks to conservation efforts they've recovered).
(Also related to whatever these influencers are on, wildcats and their hybrids are very STINKY animals, like take an unneutered tomcat and multiply it x10. Tear gas might be preferable to the smells of their houses)
@@lordgoopy9 They’re widely considered semi-domesticated as they weren’t selectively bred. Any breeds of cats are RECENT and barely recognized. Every other domestic animal has breeds. But just because they’re semi-domestic doesn’t mean they’re ok outside..even non-domestic animals aren’t ok to let out as they’re probably not native to where you live (so it’s not ok to let out your non-domestic reptiles or birds or whatever 💀). The idea “non-domestic=ok outside” is extremely wrong
I don’t really think Luna is being abused
She isn't. They take very good care of her, she seems very happy and likes their owners and even their dog, they raised her from a baby though, and frequently take her out to the woods and always has her on a leash with a really thick collar, iirc Luna was born with some issues and her mom rejected her so the zoo reached out to them and that's how they got her. She is even fed a proper diet, isn't overweight, and I don't think they ever glorified or over looked the struggles of raising her, they didn't even get her declawed like a lot of people do. Luna is really an exception I feel
@ yeah, that is what I thought, she looks very well fed and loved, she loves playing with the dog, they get along surprisingly well. And the most important thing, she is cute.
@@animeloveer97 From what I found looking up it says she WAS declawed AND defanged
@@testerwulf3357No she wasn't?? Stop spreading misinformation.
@@Anakin-Skywalker2 Neglect is a form of abuse.
She's a wild animal not a pet. She belongs in the wild or a sanctuary that mimics the wild as much as possible.
"And the most important thing, she is cute." -- mush-brained comment from exactly the sort of person these awful social media accounts appeal to.
Some of these people who own wildcats are selfish, and they have the wildcats because of their selfish desires, and that’s why some of them are fat, and they might not be feeding the wildcat the correct diet, because everything they eat need to be from the wild, not humans, that’s why they have health problems. Also, I don’t think the owner of Messi the puma is abusing Messi, since he got took in from a zoo that was going to put him down due to his health issues.
Not just diet, wild cats are used to big spaces, if they're in a house they aren't exercising
The obese wild cat is heartbreaking to see, I ALWAYS see them on TikTok I feel so bad for the cat 💔💔💔💔
It seriously bothers me that so many people are doing this, and you KNOW it’s mostly for aesthetic and bragging rights.
These animals are wild. They need to be in a wild environment, FAR away from your robot-vacuums and fancy home decor. Taking them on walks and letting them climb your little backyard is NOT enough. NOT ENOUGH SPACE. I hate it, I HATE IT. They become depressed and bored, it’s not the way they are supposed to live.
1:46 I was def guessing Missouri. Or Oklahoma. Absolutely no exotic animal laws in those states and so many exotic auctions are held every year.
I know it’s DISGUSTING!! Watch my other video tiktok exotic problem and I go over some really messed up people on that. The auctions make me sick
My ex had a f7 Savannah cat, aka a 7th generation removed from the wild ancestor. I adore this cat, he’s like my baby, I raised him from a few months old basically.
He’s NOT a normal cat. You can tell his brain works different. He’s extremely smart and needs SO MUCH enrichment, we’re talking hours every day of full attention from us. If I’d not been out of work and able to fully focus on him EVERY day when he was little he’d 100% have behavior problems now, guaranteed.
He’s vocal and quick to let us know when he’s displeased. He eats like an animal several times his size. If we don’t feed him what he thinks is enough he will help himself to whatever edible thing he can get his paws on. He’s a menace to the regular neighbor cats and will fight wild animals like (European)badgers. Weekly he came home with some new injury from that, but keeping him confined indoors is. Not. An. Option. He will pace, he will cry, he will claw at the windows/doors, he will piss indoors to send a message. He will not rest until he’s allowed back outside. These cats are not indoor cats, they are part wild and therefore have different needs than a regular domesticated cat. You CANNOT provide enough space and enrichment indoors, even if you like me literally make the cat your full time job. They are dangerous to the neighbor cats and local wildlife and therefore should not be outside unsupervised. So you’re in an impossible position, just because you saw a pretty kitty and did zero research before acquiring a wild animal for the looks. Shame on anyone who dooms a wild animal to a life of distress and suffering because you thought it was sooo cute.
If you’re an animal lover you’d love these animals from afar. Anything else is just selfish entitlement.
I think i disagree on the last part, it takes being educated and respectful to animals to intereact with them.
@@andreaa.4446 No matter how educated hybrid cats and wild cats do NOT do well indoors, and are DANGEROUS if let out..you’re putting yourself in an impossible situation. You either deal with them messing your house up for keeping them confined in your house, let them out and risk them being euthanized for being a terror on the neighborhood, or overfeed them so they’re fat and don’t WANT to do much as they’re fat and uncomfortable
@@andreaa.4446 I’m formally educated in animal behavior and from that I know better than to do ANY of this.
You should not be interacting with wild animals. Period. Let alone having them in your home. Stay away and observe and appreciate them from afar. Applying human concepts like emotions to wild animals is severely overestimating their actual behaviors.
The vast majority of animals do not see you as a friend or helper, even if you treat them nicely. Many animal attacks stem from a human trying to “help” that animal by feeding it or otherwise.
Do your animal friends a favor and buy a pair of binoculars and go nature watching instead. Support actual sanctuaries that put animals first and social media views second. I’m a huge animal nerd, but I don’t need to watch Big Floppa videos to make me appreciate Caracals
They are wild animals thats why they don't enjoy being inside manmade house for more than couple of minutes for treat
As much as I love these cats and the memes about them (especially floppa), I know that they have awful owners, the pets are suffering and don't deserve to live like this. I hate seeing people owning animals from the wild because I know they aren't getting the care they need, like big cats but also owls, wolf's, different reptiles and many other animals and it makes me sad knowing that these animals won't last long :(
I work in animal science, and some recent rese,arch came out about human attitudes towards wild animals based on pictures of scientists and conservationists interacting with wild animals.
And instead of driving people towards respecting these animals and protecting them in their own environment, they are actually more likely to report wanting to own the animal that people are shown interacting with.
As such, we have now been warned that if we share photos of our rese,arch, we should ensure they do not include people interacting with these animals.
And it reminds me of a case in Australia of Molly the magpie - some "wildlife carers" decided to just keep the bird because of how it interacted with their dog and were using it to make money on social media. They were reported, but due to relentless bvllying they got the bird back (unfortunately).
I was a voluteer in wildlife rescue at the time, and a story and images were shared with us of a magpie that had been spotted by someones neighbour who called in a bird being bothered by dogs.
Upon rescuing it, they found that the adult bird had had it's wings and tail cut. Upon asking the owners of the house they reported that they "wanted a magpie to play with their dogs like Molly"
It's really upsetting to see this to be honest.
Also just to note - dogs and wolves have a common ancestor, dogs did not come from wolves. They actually have distinctly different social structures, and dogs have more varied diets (ie are closer to omnivores)
@circa134 sure can!
"Effects of captions on viewers' perception of images depicting human-primate interaction" Freund et. Al 2023 - it's open access.
They wrote an article in The Conversation also, "Wildlife selfies h*rm animals - even when sc!entists share images with w*rnings in the captions"
(Sorry about the censors)
It's a burgeoning field, social media and effects on perception of animals, it's a space to watch I think.
@circa134 youtube really doesn't want to let me, so I'm going to have to lead you on a bit of an adventure.
So in "The Conversation" if you search "wildlife selfies" a few articles come up, most of them on topic and worth a read, but the recent one should be on the first page and was published on Feb 15 2024. Title starts with "wildlife selfies".
A link to the paper is in there somewhere, it's open access.
@@circa134 youtube really doesn't want me too 🥲
Do you know "The C0nversation" (with an 'o' not a 0)? If you go there search "wildlife selfie" the article starts with that and was published in Feb 2024.
In there you'll find a link to the paper.
Sorry about sending you on an adventure for it, I don't know what the censor ai is flagging in the actual title.
@circa134 apparently youtube says no. I've tried a bunch of time. I'm sorry.
@@circa134 Maybe if you type "wildlife selfies h*rm" into Google, the "the conversation" article by the author of the paper will pop up - I know the link to it is in there, that's how I first heard.
Ick. Ick. Ick. Please don’t keep exotic animals as pets without reasonable cause please I beg of you…
Noooo not the comparison between your view and the lynx’s 😂😭
2:37 uh lynxes don’t live in jungles…not to my knowledge…they be snowy kitties, & need a shit ton of land to roam…
If you’re gonna have a non typical pet in a snowy climate maybe try oh idk…a snow rabbit? A malamute dog? A European hedgehog? A small goat? A pig? A quail? A pheasant? Anything you’d expect to maybe see in the wild in the area or a farm if you got the space & money for it.
Yeah…the only parrot I’d recommend is the incredibly difficult & endangered Kia because they only other snow tolerant parrot known to man kind is fucking extinct.
Or you know what? Maybe just get a freshwater tank & show off your damn fishes since y’all want a living trophy.
A fish ain’t a trophy either but it’s closer to 1 than a fucking LYNX
That isn’t an Eurasian, Canada or even Iberian lynx, it’s a bobcat. Bobcats live all over North America and Mexico, so some bobcats do in fact live in the jungle. Btw only Eurasian and Canada lynxes live in snowy environments.
@@camelliasinensis219specifically the Siberian ones. Iberian lynx are warmer weather ones
@@camelliasinensis219 I don’t know bro this wild cat looked exactly like our lynx in Poland so I would assume this is an Eurasian or Siberian lynx.
so many people who think caracals are called floppa when its just the name of one someone has, then get mad when u correct em they're aLwAyS rIgHt
My passion is big cats, and the main thing I talk about is big cat ownership, or realy all wild animal ownership. All of these accounts are on my list of irresponsible "owners". First we have Luna the panthera. I hate it how people deffend this channel just becouse "oh, Luna is a rescue, the two owners are wildlife biologests and rangers" and then you see a video of the panther almost getting killed by a horse, to the animal out with a cow. No seriously, im being for real, those videos exist, the do that dumb crap just for clout. Then we have Cloe the serval, prezenting them selves as "responsible" while they here are telling their viewers to live in a serval "pet" legal place, wich makes me think that they bought the animal off a wildlife trade wich trafficks or breeds animals. I don't care if a breeder is "responsible" the only responsible breeders would be breeding for endangerd animal population production, having an endangerd animal gets its numbers back up. The only irresponsible breeders are the ones who breed for people to have as "pets". Oh, then offcourse, we have pumba caracal, the obese caracal. There was a video show of a "toilet paper challenge" where the neglected big cat jumps over toilet paper. When I saw this, I wanted to run off a clif. This poor animal can barely get its feet up, and caracals are highly fin and highly known as the big cat with the highest jump, call it "the cat that flys". These "owners" need to be fined and sent to jail for "wild animal ownership" and neglect. Then we have Messi the puma, again, this cougar looks to be kind of obese. These people not only have a cougar, but also a cheetah. And once again, the excuse "they rescued the cougar" comes in. We have no Idea how the cheetah got there, but there is a video where they have one of the animals indors, and the other outside, looking at eachother trough this glass door, the "owners" thinking that the situation of 2 species who don't know eachother is "funny". Ofc, everything for clout. There was also a video of this dude feeding the cheetah in this weird indoor area where the cheetah was staying. The animal was in clear distress and growling, but also panting. If they so called "rescued" the animal, then why not have it at a sanctuary? Not only that, but these "owners" have always wanted to own a big cat like a lyx, yes, it has been revealed. Instead of just admiting that getting a wild animal as a "pet" is a stupid idea, and admiting that leaving the animal in its natural enviroment is smarter, no, they think that its ok to own a wild animal as a "pet". I doubt that anyone would see this comment, but I just had to get it out there and spew the truth about these channels, so people culd shut up and stop supporting them. Oh, I forgot, Luna is also a disabled and more smaller melanistic leopard, and yes, once again, this animal was almost killed by a small herd of horses, no joke, search it up.
I've seen wild cats trust humans, but only in lions. There's some cases where the humans either done something for the pride, or raised one after the mothers death or abandonment. Not domesticated, not a pet, just trust. With any other big cat, its just a bad ides to interact with them.
That’s because all ambush predators are solitary, they fight each other, they care only for their own. Terrible “pet”
@@justarandomperson6401 exactly! Lions aren't solitary, but they still aren't supposed to be pets, no wild animal should be
Caracals aren't big cats. That's why they missed the Tiger King memo.
well technically a big cat is any cat that isnt domestic lol
@@shirashiraonthewall No, that is entirely incorrect. Big cats, or the genus panthera, include lions, tigers, leopards and jaguars, disincluding I think one species of "leopard". Cougars are actually small cats, and cheetahs are in a seperate genus of their own.
So neither scientifically nor size-wise is a caracal a big cat.
Edit: that one species of leopard that doesn't fall under big cat is the clouded leopard. It's not even a leopard. And anything from the genus panthera, if in a melanic variation technically counts as a "black panther"... in case you ever got curious.
@@js66613it’s odd since cougars are large but they can’t roar which is one distinguishing factor. Cheetahs can’t either.
I think snow leopards are also in their own family.
I think we are just arguing semantics - to the basic person the use of a big cat is any cat that isn’t domestic. I’m speaking from a basic person POV not scientific
To me big cats are any cats bigger than lynx.So i would consider cougars a big cat even though its not a panther @@shirashiraonthewall
Caracal cats are WILD ANIMALS. They are extremely aggressive and territorial for seemingly no reason 💀. They are much happier in the wild, they belong in scrub forests and savanna’s BECAUSE THEY ARE WILD. THEY BELONG IN THE WILD 🤠
Not for no reason. They're wild animals. Territorial and aggressive is their nature
True, which is why your shouldn’t have them as pets, because wild animals are going to be wild even if you take them out there habitat
Однако эти животные не выращены в дикой природе. Они уже не первое поколение из питомников. Предлагаете
выпустить их в дикую природу?
@@The_Skipping_St0ne128 You have no idea what wild even means.
@@Maspets I know I use the word A lot but I can assure you I know what it means. I just don’t know what to say instead of wild.
The things I do want to bring up are the only exotic cat channels I personally follow are Chloe the Serval, Luna the Panther and Pumba the Caracal (same with Gosha).
Chloe looks like she is very well taken care of. She definitely loves her owners, especially her dad.
Luna the Panther was rescued under a misunderstanding. That said, it looks like she’s under well care with her owners. There are at least two videos of her making happy growling noises that are pretty close to purring (I know panthers can’t purr).
Pumba the caracal, from what I’ve observed of him, only really seems to have an issue with his dad. He’s usually very brother loving with his older sibling Izjuma, and many videos have shown him being affectionate with his mom. (There’s only one rare instance I can think of where he’s hissed at his mom, but in the end, he really seems to love her more a lot).
Gosha is also definitely well taken care of and a channel I enjoy. He also proves caracals are capable of doing more than just hissing. I think some caracals just don’t know how to make their distinct chirp meow or don’t bother.
I do follow Chloe and am aware of the puma. Think I’ve seen Pumbaa too
There’s no evidence the puma was a rescue that I know of..just them claiming their is.
I refuse to follow ANY channels who house wild cats because it’s supporting something problematic: these channels make others also want wild cats as pets..which further supports the cruel breeding and exploitation of these ENDANGERED WILD animals. It’s wrong. They’re also using these wild animals for money and clout, even if seemingly treating them well they’re still using them and adding to the abuse wild cats face in captivity
Silly excuses for animal abuse. These are wild animals, not pets.
I've taken a look at the accounts you've mentioned. Chloe seems "happy" enough, but they're still encouraging ownership of wild animals. She wasn't a rescue, she was born of two "tame" servals as well. They fail to warn viewers against the reality of taking care of a serval. She also appears to be declawed. This plus the fact that her home is almost entirely smooth, slippery flooring is likely deeply uncomfortable for her.
@@M_J456 From what I know, she was already declawed when her owners adopted her. I highly doubt her current owners were the ones responsible for it.
Plus she was already fully grown in a pretty late age when she was adopted so that further suggests it was someone previously who did that to her
I saw a video of the Big Floppa, and it was a video of him outside, His owner kept recording him, and he started hissing (ears pinned back and all). When other people started telling the owner to back off because Big Floppa clearly didn't want the attention, the channel's fandom started yelling about how Caracals communicated by hissing. 😢
Omg I love your makeup it’s always so pretty
Hehehehe thank u, the first look I did for this video was so bad I took it off so I’m glad this one wasn’t as bad
Big Floppa will just go to sleep and not wake up one night. He's the equivalent of a human weighing 400-500 lbs
3:00 Dude… I didn’t even notice the cat
He’s a void, of course you can’t notice him!
Bringing wild cats into homes is just too risky; semi-enclosed outside enclosure? Fine. Controlled feedings? Even better! This is like keeping a shark in a pond
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His face is the main reason why I find him cute, but I can admit that i can kind of feel sorry for him too
Yeah you should leave caracals alone... they hate being snuggled (most)
Big floppa looks very snuggly
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When I see any videos of them none of them look happy to be cuddled..
@@shirashiraonthewall he also look like he'd bite you face off for being near him, but also snuggly
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Haven't watched this yet, putting it on the watch later, just want to come in and say THANK YOU for talking about this! It's so frustrating and heartbreaking watching people normalize animal abuse because they just see "cute animal" and don't stop to think about the actual ramifications of that.
just discovered this channel and i’m OBSESSED
The sheer amount of pee and destruction these animals might leave in my home prevents me from even wanting to have one. I have had 4 relatively well behaved Maine Coon cats and the chaos they can cause is definitely enough (and not once have any of them urinated somewhere else besides their litterbox).
bro is trying SO HARD to get off that balcony. It is absolutely absurd to treat such cute... and WILD animals this way.
Messi was a rescue. That's why he's so small. Messi's humans are amazing! They build outdoor enclosures.
There is no proof he’s a rescue
@@shirashiraonthewallhis owner never considered himself a rescuer, he said
He took Messi out of regret and considered him just a lucky case, that Messi has grown so peaceful and calm, also Messi's owner begs audience to not do what he did about making a wild animal your pet
I hate it when, people think it's okay to force the exotic animals as pets!
And here I thought my savannah cat was exotic...
This is so Cheyl-from-Archer-coded with her ocelot lol
“Babou! He remembers me!”
LUNA the panther was saved as a baby! Thus couldnt be raised in wild. Check your info
Can you verify that info? I just don’t believe that.
Saved from? So many people say their animal is a "rescue". Rescued from what? What makes the "rescuers" qualified to take on and raise a wild animal?
@@M_J456 Luna was a baby cub in the traveling zoo, and her mother rejected her. Luna's now-owner learnt they wanted to sell her to some bad hands since she didn't have a big chance of survival. Luna never had a chance to be in the wild, as you can see. So she could either save her or let her be sold to be made a fur coat or something.
The author of the video does not take into account that these animals were not stolen from the wild, but raised in zoos and nurseries.
I am not in favor of keeping wild animals in apartments, but it is unlikely that a Puma raised among humans understands the choice in favor of wildlife, especially when it is a strict natural selection, not a happy life in the forest. (Watch more documentaries about animals)
What I think the author of the video and many people here do not understand.
These “pet” big cats aren’t from zoos. It’s from people illegally catching wild ones, breeding them, and selling the babies as “pets”.
YOU don’t seem to be the one to understand! These are BRED to SELL as pets..getting them is supporting this abuse of wild cats and DANGEROUS. These cats should be in zoos and sanctuaries not homes being overfed
Everybody on instagram didnt get an exotic cat, everybody with an exotic cat got an instagram
Welp......much as i like big cats i wouldn't own one
I'm happy with my mini house panther Sabrina
I love my mini house panther Murray
thank you! you're one of the few accounts actually pointing this out 😔 any actual rescued wild animals that came from captivity, that have genuinely been rescued by competent people, have big outdoor enclosures, with the correct set up, the correct diet and enrichment, and definitely do not venture into homes, or lay in people's beds for cuddles... it's ridiculously irresponsible.
Floppa, from what I've been told, has a hormonal imbalance that makes him fat. Can't really confirm, and tbh I'm always skeptical about those kinds of excuses for exotics.
I hate any instagram/tiktok/whatever that glamorizes these animals like they're house cats, though. They're absolutely not. There's a reason rescues and sanctuaries are at capacity.
I'm all for responsible exotic animal ownership. I breed and own several reptiles, amphibians and fish myself. But I think there's certain animals that are just absolutely unreasonable to keep, especially for the average layperson with no experience working with these large, potentially dangerous creatures. If you are to keep these animals, you should have the correct permitting/licensing/be familiar with local laws, and do yearly wellness and enclosure checks to ensure their wellbeing. I don't understand the appeal of owning an exotic animal, if you're just going to try and domesticate it like a cat or dog. The appeal to most responsible keepers of exotics is to appreciate the animal for what it is, not try to make it into something it's not.
yeaaaaaaaaaaaah idk if thats true LOL
I feel like you should be against it across the board if you're going to be against it though. You're already endangering wild conservation efforts by encouraging the market to drag wild animals out of the wild and you're already potentially risking having an escaped exotic spread, even if they (probably) won't kill you. The "at least I don't own an exotic cat" folks are part of the problem and aren't any less so for owning a fish, lizard or bird instead of a cat. Like, I'm sorry, the UK has tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands non-native, technically "exotic" deer that don't belong here that don't help the deer overpopulation problem, and they can be deadly even without being big cats because they cause road accidents. If you're gonna be anti-exotic animal, at least do it properly and don't allow for any exotic to be owned as "pets" or brought over to estates from which they can escape becoming a menace to society. Any species can be, no matter how big or small they are.
Literally unless you're licensed and experienced with big cats in general, don't even think about looking in the direction of owning a big cat
Well, i was fixing my braces. So i cant complain today either
Caracals hiss as a form of communication, primarily to express discomfort, warning, or agitation, similar to how other cats do; it's a way to signal to other animals, including humans, that they feel threatened or are not happy with the current situation, and should be left alone.
Key points about caracal hissing:
Warning sign:
A hiss is a clear indication that a caracal is feeling stressed or potentially ready to defend itself if provoked further.
Body language cues:
Along with hissing, caracals may also display other body language signals like flattened ears, arched back, and a low growl to emphasize their discomfort.
Aside from obesity, there's also sedation...