The Dismal Degradation Of Dynasty Warriors (The Jimquisition)
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Dynasty Warriors may be my favorite series - or at least it was - but Tecmo Koei has been taking the piss with it for years.
Much of what's said here could have been said a long time ago, but Dynasty Warriors 9 was its last chance... and we all know how that went.
Oh, and this isn't just about what they DID to Zhang He!
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Well... there's a reason why Koei is jokingly refer by us Chinese as 'Dark Shame' (Koei's Kanji can be translated into 'Light Glory' in Chinese).
qinlongfei nice
damn that's clever. :)
That's some good wordplay.
I'm really sad to say I don't know who first came up with the name. Although it was first 'Dark Glory' and then as Koei begin to go lazier and lazier (or in DW9's case, blatantly discriminating to Chinese consumers when they disabled Chinese text) it eventually became Dark Shame.
Not "kenji", "kanji".
True Dynasty Warriors Anecdote:
My and my bro have been playing Dynasty Warriors since 2. We played all of them, including any and all of the variants, like Dynasty Tactics, Empires and so on. We always viewed Warriors as a mindless (but addictive) hack & slash - and there was a certain amount of fun once you payed attention to the battle map; of clearing pathways to allow your army to progress and it culminating in a huge end fight.
Then we randomly had the opportunity to go to China - anywhere we wanted. Knowing absolutely nothing about China other than Tiananmen Square Tank guy; our only other thought was "How about seeing some of the Three Kingdoms Stuff?".
So we went and saw things like Zhuge Liangs tomb; A stone carving purportedly chiseled by Cao Cao himself; The Peach Tree Garden where the 3 Brothers swore their oath; There's even a recently opened Three Kingdoms themepark.
As the tour guides were taking us around - we'd see familiar characters from the Dynasty Warriors franchise ; the characters are based on their statues ; "Oh look - It's Guan Yu - that spear is Blue Dragon - his horse was called Red Hare - And there's his sworn Brother Zhang Fei - He was famous for holding the Bridge at Chang Ban while Liu Bei fled with his peasant army away from Cao Cao's superior forces" ; The tour guide looked shocked and said "That's ... all correct! How do you two westerners know so much about Chinese History?!" ; I was too embarrassed to say "Oh, some shitty japanese hack & slash computer game" - so I just said "We have an interest in the Three Kingdoms era".
It's surprising how much history you can learn accidentally by osmosis.
Same minus the China travel (I wish I could do that though)
I love this
except a lot of that stuff is just myth/legends that people actually believe. and the hard part is telling to what degree its false. like Zhang Fei did hold the bridge at Chang Ban, he had a group of 21 elite cavalry and held a choke point, but eventually destroyed the bridge and retreated too.
Haha some Chinese dude said that I met was equally shocked when he showed me a three kingdoms card game with only Chinese letters on the cards and I started naming characters.
@@josephfoster1987 It's called "San Guo Sha". It's a carbon copy of the Bang! card game. Saw it while we were over there too.
Jim's feelings towards them taking away Zhang He's claws is exactly how I feel about the way they keep equipping Gan Ning with increasingly shittier weapons. I miss his Scimitar from 2-5.
I liked Zhou Yu's curved blade before they made it a staff in 6. I don't hate the staff, I just liked how Zhou Yu used his sword.
@@ultimateblade4127 they made zhou Yu intoa. sun Wukong Clone.
I miss the paired mace type weapons Diao Chan wielded 😢
I miss his scimitar and tattoos my man was tatted he had the most drip in the series
They've done that with many characters unfortunately. They took away Wen Yang's javelin for some reason even though he supposedly according to character description is a master of using the javelin and replaced it with some weird looking sword thing...
I really want the "REALISM" sting to become a regular part of the show.
oh my god same
Word! Too many games push for REALISM, if I'd want reality, I'd walk out the front door, not sit in front of a virtual video game.
I want to snip the audio for a text message notification.
It should come in handy for covering Kingdom Come Deliverance, a game where every obtuse mechanical flaw is explained by fans realism but also there are magic potions. Cus realism!
would of been better if he could of found a clip of the old online dynasty warriors game scene that plays when you loss a battle. Your character does a disappointed animation depending on the weapon they have.
I really do hate it when a developer pulls the realism card, you could at least have the decency to give us a better excuse for being lazy instead of just confirming how lazy you are by using a lazy excuse.
Not necessary developers, could be publisher; "This is what you are working, this is what needs to be done in X time".
Remember the good old times where no-one wasted a thought about an RPG or Action Advantage being realistic and it was only about bringing fun. I also loved the silly game logic... like OH MY GOD YOU NEED TO SAVE THE WORLD NOW! ... going for grinding, exploring and levelling for 20h ... not realistic, but fun.
Yeah I believe "entertaining" should be the first and foremost word a developer/publisher needs to keep at the top of their brain chasms~
I don't think games need to be entertaining necessary, intriguing and engaging works too. For example This war of mine isn't that entertaining, but still great experience.
I could view Silent Hill 2 as entertaining cuz' of those reasons bruh. And sure War of Mine is 'entertaining'. I may be splitting hairs here but entertainment is entertainment regardless of whether its doing so through fun, fear, thrills, long artistic panning shots of scenery, lore in your face, lore you have to dig through, gameplay mechanics that make you feel uncomfortable with your choices or easily telegraphed heroic choices with no consequences. An example of something I'd consider as not entertaining is Steven Seagel's 'The Foreigner', whereas Steven Seagel's 'Undersiege' is entertaining. As long as its not 'boring'. War of Mine may not be traditional entertainment, but it is definitely not boring, so I count it. I know I'm ranting hardcore over nonsense but after 27 years on this Earth I value 'entertainment' over things such as originality if you could believe that~
If they really wanted Dynasty Warriors to be open world, they would need something like this:
Rather than playing as a historical character, you make your own. The "open world" shouldn't be just a mission area but bigger, all of China should be open for you to explore. You start the game during the Yellow Turban Rebellion, as a nobody. You can fight bandits, assassinate people, help local lords suppress rebellions, or help rebels overthrow their oppressors. As you become more and more famous, the various factions, like Wei, Shu, and Wu, will try to recruit you to serve in their army. Along the way, you can even choose to switch sides if you want (with consequences of course), and along the way, you will meet all the various Dynasty Warriors characters. Also, defeating a particular main character grants you access to their weapons, armors, and powers.
So empires?
DW9 Empires gents! We are waiting for this.
This - only as a strategy and tactics game - is exactly what their Romance of the Three Kingdoms series did multiple times. VII, VIII, and X for the PS2 leap to mind and XIII was released for the PS4 with English localization.
So, Mount and Blade by way of Dynasty Warriors?
They could've just made it like Mount and Blade and called it a day.
We should set up a petition to get Jim a Gordon Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares ripoff for video game publishers.
I think that's basically the elevator pitch for the Jimquisition, though.
lnsflare1 I wanna see him actually shout in game dev's faces though XD
This would be top telly I would totally see this on Netflix
Sir Ayme
Just trick Randy Pitchford into coming into the same building as Jim Sterling.
I'd watch it :)
Life of black tiger music over Dynasty warriors footage. What a legend.
Life of Black Tiger and Dynasty Warriors. Such Xtreme Legends!
Dynasty Warriors and realism don’t mix. I mean, the games have a single person take down entire armies; that doesn’t seem very realistic to me.
if it's Musou with Realism then play For Honor.
oh wait that sucked
e x p a n d D O N G
In older DW, especially 2 it was harder to take as many enemies as the more recent games. But yeah, even then you still could take down many many soldiers or officers for one guy. In DW8 a guy uses a god damn boat as a weapon. There are guys with ice, fire or lightning attacks. They pretty much gave up on full realism but then they suddenly want to do a game with more "realism".
But you can still take loads of people down at once (with more easy than in DW8 even, thanks to the braindead AI for the most part), use special attacks that are pretty much the opposite of realism...
So in short I don't really see what's the problem with no realism. I really only saw "realism" as an excuse for Koei to remove weapons they could have kept (like tonfas...) and to justify a lot of other problems.
If people wanted a Three Kingdoms era game with realism, they may as well look forward to Three Kingdoms: Total War.
Or even Romance of the Three Kingdoms, which is made by KOEI too. Dynasty Warriors and realism are just antinomic.
I'll never forget Zhang He asking if the enemy camp was pretty. That shit made me laugh so hard. What an awesome character he was.
These environments look about on par with unmodded Oblivion ... a 12 year old game.
AMBITIOUS!
Saul Slendamann hey I like oblivion. *Have you heard of the high elves?*
+Saul Slendamann You make that sound like a bad thing. Sure Oblivion looks *extremely* outdated graphically wise, but the environments are pretty varied and rich in content. DW9 on the other-hand is practically the polar opposite of that.
Look, I like Skyrim's nordic spin on fantasy over the generic mcgeneric Oblivion went for, but it pretty is hard to argue that it at least looked decent for the time. And yet is somehow beating out DW9 with it's presentation for huge tracts of land.
Saul Slendamann Fallout New Vegas looks better than this
Slendamann, get in my office -- stop killin' people! I mean, is the idea that you've got some kinda mystical arcane power?
I counted the Wikipedia list of games : they released 54 games over 21 years, counting Dinasty Wariors and all the spin of seires including One Piece, Berserk etc...
That's a shitload of games
I hate that they were given berserk, like bruh the devs behind the souls series and the dragon's dogma devs were literally inspired by berserk. They would have done an infinitely better job, I guess getting a good berserk adaptation for after the eclipse is impossible...
@@ryanfuller4401 When you say “souls series” you mean Dark Souls, right? Because “Souls Series” is now the official name of Namco’s Soul Blade/SoulCalibur series.
What tecmo koei did was unforgivable. Well okay, I'll forgive them, but only if they put my Dynasty Warriors OC in 10. His name is Jim He
I look forward to what they (volume = 200000) DO (/volume) with Jim He.
chocobros1 No Sterdust Yu or or Amiel Bei Hardcore ? Not even Riston Zheng ?
Joey Santiano that comment was amazing lol
Joey Santiano you have just won this entire comment section
I'll forgive them if they put the iconic weapons back in for free and get rid of the clones but knowing Koei they won't.
I love ya Jim but I feel like you missed a great opportunity to title this video "The End of a Dynasty"
Ben it's not truly an end, they could fix this.
Steel .Brother
Style not sense
not exactly. Warriors Orochi and the other Spinoffs are doing amazing.
“I have to play Warframe with claw weapons and butterfly wings to pretend...”
Oh man, ouch. 😂
I like the idea, that while we fight in the grim dark future of Warframe for loot and fashion,
somewhere out there, in the origin system,
there is a Jim Sterling fighting grineer with claws and purple butterfly wings.
Marvelous~
Introducing the newest frame
STERRRDUST
Humble Ulfric yes
Well... there's also Mag adopting her Power Ranger look.
I wonder if I'm the only one who got suckered into picking Mag as my starter because I want to role play as a Power Ranger...
R+Yes, there 4 could be the Quistion - Affected by power strength and Duration - Effect they run awaya and cry in the corner with shame. When combined with the 2 skill "Facts" the commit seppuku.
Not gonna lie, I loved the Gundam spinoff, and the Empires games. However, JimfuckingSterlingson is right. For too long they've taken our good will for granted. This has been a long time coming.
I'd just like to point out if no one remembers or noticed, Taishi Ci being my favorite character, in DW6 they took away his battle rods and gave him a halberd but then DW6: Empires came out and guess what was back? His battle rods. So, notice in DW9 they kept his battle rods in the game but Sun Ce lost his Tonfas.....It feels like they can literally take away and add in weapons as they please, $5 says Sun Ce's Tonfa's will either be in DW9: Extreme Legends or Empires.
Didn't Taishi Ci keep his rods and Ce lost his Tonfa? And Cao Ren lost his sick blade-shield and had it replaced with a halberd, Zhou Tai was a basic sword officer, Lu Meng was..well...unchanged..but yeah.
$5 says they charge you an extra $5 to give the tonfas back lmao
haha, Marvin the Martian head was a good touch, it really did sound like him.
Jim, you forgot to mention the anime adaptation of Dynasty Warriors:
Skeleton Warriors
Edit: i spoke too soon
BlackOverBlueSkies Skeleton Warriors is just Dynasty Warriors with WORSE graphics. I mean, they're just Skeletons. Lazy Koei Tecmo😔
Always watch to the end of the video before you comment.
you spooke to soon
soory
The game is good too if anyone's not played it, Neversoft aka Skullmonkeys
Dynasty Warriors 3! Still own today!
“I..I..it’s Lu Bu!”
And people say nostalgia is bad. The older games were literally better.
I’m in a hospital bed and recovering from surgery and Jim’s video really helps with the pain. Thanks bud!
That intro.... I clapped. Alone in my bedroom. I clapped.
What's worse is the "Realism" excuse was a blatant lie from the get go, as Suzuki eventually confessed it was due to running out of time as to why certain weapons were dropped from the previous game to this one. You know, that thing that the fans were pretty much proclaiming from the moment the "realism" excuse ever came to light? I'm more angry that they thought they could feed people a bullshit excuse like that and not just be honest that they spent too much time and effort on the Open World Mechanic, which is your run-of-the-mill variety and brings nothing interesting to the concept like Horizon Zero Dawn did. Of course, why launch a completed game when you can weasel more money out of the player base by selling new weapons later on down the road? So, even the whole "we ran out of time" excuse is bullshit, because we know it's to get more money with minimal effort.
I know right? I wouldn't mind the weapons if they actually gave us a god-honest reason for the changes and did decent-priced weapon packs that won't make me scream in rage and throw my PS4 out the window.
And as of recently, they've not only let that admission that it was a lie piss people off, but they're "apologizing" by giving us the privilege of giving them more money to get those weapons back. Are they *trying* to see how much good will they can tank?
This stings me very hard personally, cause I have friends working at Koei Tecmo, friends I have known since college, and that was a while ago. A lot of the consensus they provided was that the higher ups have a strong "resting on their laurels" mentality, and there is an unofficial divide within company culture, between the Japanese speakers and non-Japanese speakers. Changing a culture will not be easy, but I pray hard that Koei Tecmo and Omega Force can turn things around, cause I like their games and the company itself, even if I am not always supportive of some of their policies.
Ken Hamada yes i agree. I do contract work for alot of native Japanese out of Philadelphia and i can tell they dont take criticism well especially from westerners. I dont think Jim realizes a video like this wont change their minds and can only hurt us die hard fans. I say leave them alone and embrace anything they release. As any fan of any series, your not gonna like everything released. But hey, i say more content is always a good thing. Id rather have "more" than "nothing" to be honest.
Side note: i actually like DW9. Reccomend playing in Chineese dialog also. Ive embraced the game with its warts and all, and in doing so, it has become very enjoyable. I am having a ton of fun!!!
"I say leave them alone and embrace anything they release." That is literally *THE* worst thing you can do as a consumer that wants a better product. What you want to do is stop giving them money until they make what you want.
I think the point he's making is if we stop giving them money, a very likely outcome is that they will just stop making video games entirely, which would be good for _no one,_ including people who don't like their games right now. He's saying that Japan will see the lack of sales and say "Well I guess fuck them, they don't want our games anymore" and cut us off. That's the point he's making. This has happened so often to franchises I love, and I can totally see where he's coming from with that, even if I don't necessarily agree.
Nedoxu you fuckers must work for Koei/Omega. We're supposed to accept trash. Keep paying for lazy reused new trash. Or else we might stop keep getting new version of a trash series? Tf kinda logic is that? Fuk that. Gtfoh with that noise.
P.S. Fuk yall we want our dialogue localized. Fuk sub-happy elitist pricks
Mjikan Fuck off, maybe read what I actually wrote before you tag me in shit. I literally said "even if I don't necessarily agree." Which I don't. But I see the point he's making and acknowledge it _is_ a valid reason to buy the game.... for him. Not for me, and not for necessarily anyone else.
Read next time.
I am HOPEFUL that with the fucking horrific failure that Dynasty Warriors 9 was, they will take the funds they have gained from their other spinoff series and make an actual GOOD game for Dynasty Warriors 10.
Successfully defeated Techmo Koei, a powerful ennemy!
Considering how Tecmo-Koei sells so many tiny packs of DLC that they might as well be microtransactions, I was incredibly surprised to learn something about Dynasty Warriors 8 Xtreme Legends: Definitive Edition on the Switch.
Unlike the so-called "Complete Edition" on Steam, the Switch version's "Definitive Edition" title *isn't* bullshit! The game costs $40 and comes with practically all of the content that's been carved out for DLC in every other version, with no available DLC itself on the Switch's eShop.
Seriously, I had to research that many times over because I just couldn't believe it, given Tecmo-Koei's recent history. But ever since I confirmed it and decided to buy the game, I've been pretty damn happy with it. It's a shame that this'll probably be the last time that this longtime DW fan gets to be this happy with Dynasty Warriors, if the dumpster fire that is DW9 is any indication.
Wow, they didn't even do that on the PS4.
shit, that's better than they treated us on the Vita. To be fair, they already knew they were selling to the poor bastards who bought a Vita.
Your favourite Dynasty Warriors character's personality reminds me of a certain wrestler...
RevolverRez STERDUST!!!
Why the hell does everything need to be open-world these days? Why can't more developers go for the incredibly superior "open-level", a la Deus Ex and Thief? It's got the best of both worlds; handcrafted design on every inch of it, while still being large enough and content-filled enough to scratch that itch for exploration.
I think the reason for the lack of "open-level" games is actually pretty simple. They require effort. Anyone with enough free time and no design skill can cobble together a big landscape and plop down random buildings on it; a Deus Ex style level requires you to actually plan out routes, place pickups and characters at sensible locations, and have some degree of artistic cohesion to make it not be terrible.
Well, partly, because this is a more predictable thing to do: If you have an "open-level" thing, you need to look after pacing, size and balance carefully. However, also because its safer: There was a time and still is a certain desire for games to be open world because it meant more investment. More to do. Many people dont buy that many games and an open world game appeals to them on the ground that they get a lot of time for their money, which might be better for them than a more enjoyable but shorter experience. Especially in their purchase decision. With an open world there comes a certain security: You get XYZ out of the game. With streamlined levels, there is a risk involved: Will I like it enough to be worth it? More so, there is a risk for the developer in terms of desing: How do I design my level for the maximum amount of enjoyment? Its a variable. With open world you can simply say: Shitton of stuff in there, people can do as much as they like. Plus, the open world busywork is again very safe: Everyone got a lot of generic stuff to do, rather than a few extremly engaging stuff, that might not be to their liking. So all in all: Safe, secure, precise and you get what you pay for - usually in good quality. In exchange its also bland, simplistic and not innovative. Which reminds me of a newspaper article about germans games industry: "German games are like german washmachines. Working? Great. Entertaining? No. Thats why we are famous for our cars and our games are stupid. " I think we can safely replace german with "open world" here.
Open world tends to boost review score in western media. The contrast between Jim’s hatred and other media’s warm reception, paid or not, is the proof of this.
Open level? Those games are not received as well as open world games because, you know, open world is bigger.
MushyBird McMushington Open world works with games like Monster Hunter which are open by nature, whereas Dynasty Warriors is a game where level structure is key to its gameplay.
Now, when is Sega going to give us a new Dragon Force?
MushyBird McMushington
Well said
Taking away Zhang He's claws is the greatest tragedy of our lifetime.
*MONDAY HAS ARRIVED*
Let´s not turn Jim´s work into a meme, please.
Too late resident, too late.
...and the next monday is coming.
* *COME*
Who else has been waiting for this Jimquisition?
Me!
I think I'm eager to see next week's even more, what with Metal Gear Survive hitting in two days.
I’m eager for all Jimqusitions.
Can't deny I was interested, even though I knew Jim would stick to his points from before.
TWENTY EIGHT YEARS I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!! MY LIFE IS COMPLETE!
DW 3, 4, and 5 were magical games. I spent months and months couch co-op with my brother unlocking everything. I feel so so bad for children who will never get to experience playing a 'complete' game, with no dlc or microtransactions.
That life of black tiger music tho
Three videos on Dynasty Warriors 9 and no mention of NO MULTIPLAYER. I've bought these since 3 because I play them with a friend.
Jim obviously has nobody else to play with, whereas my roots with the series is Zhange He photobombing my sibling's attempt to beat the game. Good times, good times...
Yes, the lack of the co-op mode is criminal. Dynasty Warriors is a fantastic game to play together!
@Paya
u wat nao?
Dynasty Warriors has only ever been good old LOCAL co-op multiplayer. And it was glorious!
Plainly you are not acquainted with the series.
(Except for DW Online, obs. Clue in the name.)
DW8 has cross play from ps3 to ps4 wut wut...DW9 has none?
+Majora de Mayhem The later games also had some online multiplayer, but I think it was just playing with other people in the same way you would locally; there were certainly no dedicated game modes for it.
I think Jim was more concerned with what they *DID* to Zhang He.
9 was so bad that I had to wash the bad taste out my mouth by getting dynasty’s warriors 8 extreme legend lol
Kenny Nguyen I want that game though. in case 9 makes me want to kill it with fire.
But 8 was awesome right?
@@xxgalaxyplayzxx1259 Not awesome, just good.
Autoerotic Assetflipsiation
It was legit
That Life of Black Tiger music gets me every single time.
As a diehard Dynasty Warriors fan, who has read the original book, watched every adaptation & played / owns every game; this depresses me to my core. I want to outright cry.
Hell, I would even cosplay as one of Yellow Turban brothers, go front of TecmoKoei & scream "You flaming idiots!" In the Dynasty Warriors 3 voices.
You pretty much expressed my thoughts on the path the franchise & the 9th game. Not to mention we finally got Chinese voice acting in the 9th game, but it had to be in the 9th game!
Jim Sterling, as Dynasty Warriors fans we have to unite & show that even our tolerance has its limits. Thanks for making this video & expressing everything we have been dreading & thinking.
Were any of the Empires games any good? I quit at DW5
@@EricToTheScionti I personally enjoyed Dynasty Warriors Empire 5 & 8. 6 was when they started to experiment more. 8 Empires had the best character customization & even allowed you to create your own scenario.
Whats the title of the original book? Or isbn? I can’t find it
@@thebigcapitalism9826 The book the games are based on is called: "The Romance of the Three Kingdoms."
Dynasty Warriors 9 trying to be more "realistic" with it's weapons is the E3-Giant Crab controversey all over again. If your gonna go realistic with your game, go all the way. Or at least try to somewhat do your best at the whole realism part.
PIZZA TRASH MERRYLL #Fuckyourrealism
*"real ancient japanese battles"*
*"so heres a giant enemy crab!"*
Even when you incorporate realism into Dynasty Warriors, the paradox still stand, because what the game’s about is demi-gods slaughtering through thousand of mindless goons, while being fabulous and flashy. That is as far from realism as you can get.
Did I mention there is NO BLOOD in DW9 where’s the realism Tecmo Koei?
#fuckyourrealism
Going all "REALISM!" while basing your work on the frigging rotk is a forgone conclusion in the first place.
There is a very good reason the thing is considered a *fictional* historical novel.
check out my historically-accurate and gritting-ly realistic video game about the Iliad
And I'm still here, ready to celebrate this video's anniversary. God I love this episode
Taking away Zhang He's claws wasn't the only thing they DID to him! All of the officers' voice actors, not just Zhang He's, got replaced with VA's that hardly anybody has ever heard of. I think.
Jim; you are a treasure. never stop making up words
I THOUGHT I was a Koei/DW fan boy until 9 came out. Then I realized what separated me from them. I was able to say "I love the franchise and many other Koei games, but this needed to be scrapped at the drawing board. Or at least picked apart for the pieces that work."
DW resonated enough with me that I bothered to try and read Romance of the Three Kingdoms as a middle schooler. My buddies all loved the game, we grinded all our favorite character's ultimate weapons and all the special items whenever we hung out. I ordered the starter decks from the Magic set based off the Three Kingdoms, and just loved this franchise to death. Hopefully I'll get a chance to play Xiahou Dun and be excited to swing that ridiculous Kirin Fang around again.
i can see it now already. DW9 DLC zhang he's claws , sun ce's tonfa's ,chen gong's scroll and such .
Extreme Legends games already have pulled such things.
@mokinokaro yes but it gets worse with DW7-DW8 buisness practice more so DW7 where they were selling weapons (old weapons from past games in the case of DW7 authough i think bladed crossbow thing from DW6 appeared as DLC for DW8) then after xtreme legends they just stick it in the new empires game. i mean talk about getting people to pay for something twice. i have no doubt if a DW9 empires comes out all these weapons added will be slapped on someone in game and UNPCs (wont matter either way as you can play as anyone in empires in the UNPCs case) will all be on DW9 empires
7 been done it
The Game Slayer always hated Sun Ce's tonfas. They can keep them horrendous things!
I think Jim really likes Zhang He...call it a hunch.
What on Earth gave you that idea? Just can't see it myself
DistantWatcher Zang He is a beautiful butterfly! 😍
Actually his favourite is Cao Pi.
Zhang He was my first character when i was 9 because of Vega xD
There are so many people like me, even here in this comment section, who never picked up a Warriors game, but played Hyrule Warriors and really liked it. They had a brand new audience for their games. Think about that. What other genre gets a huge influx of new players this many years in to their game series? They could have made D.W. 9 amazing, actually put time money and effort in to it, and had people like me buy it simply because of good word of mouth because we enjoyed Hyrule Warriors. They squandered all of it.
Dead or Alive 5 Last Round "which was supposed to be a complete edition with all DLCs and extra content", has over 1000 DLCs on the ps4. :)
くんマフムード yes
くんマフムード and it's dead now with no answer as to whether there will be a 6, or if the just gave up on the series.
I downloaded the game for free and play a quick arcade round here and there but those DLC packs, jesus christ
straightedge891 I am kinda glad that it's free and you can just pay for the characters you want but I can say the dlc is crazy.. again online is dead. Nice thank you to the people that like your game to fucking kill it on them after dumping a shit load of dlc.
Yeah, I'm surprised more people haven't noticed that tbh. There's like 5 season passes at £100 each...
Man, my best friend and I played the heck out of DW3 back in highschool. It was great fun as a co-op game. It's sad that the series hasn't evolved at all since then.
There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering kaboom.
WHERE'S THE KABOOM??
I wonder if people remember Dynasty Warriors had an online game once
I was a little sad he dident bring it up
IKR, it was the first of many reasons why I didn't purchase DW9. I can't even have fun running through the emptiness with my friends. I bought a PS4 for Monster Hunter, One Piece and DW9, so I'll be playing MH and War Frame until OP drops.
Hey Jim, Flight Sim added malware to their game and called it "DRM", which was collecitng password. RPS has a piece on it.
It's worth noting it isn't the actual game or even the Flight Sim developer who have done this, it's Flight Sim Labs - they make add-ons for the game, but aren't the primary developer. Still worth picking up though.
Laughed more than I'd like to admit at "Baton Gone! Gone! Gone!"
I hear that same "realism" argument from people defending how easily you die in GTA V. Oh, so they made it so that you can't tank grenades like in GTA San Andreas because "realism" but then made every vehicle handle like an RC car...
Funny how "realism" only applies until it suddenly doesn't.
I never really had a problem with the quick deaths in GTA IV and V. The addition of a proper cover system, along with weapons that felt and handled better, made it a non-issue outside of one or two poorly designed mission segments. And unlike Dynasty Warriors, the newer GTA games actually take themselves seriously, with a world somewhat grounded in plausibility. You know, instead of being an unkillable death god that can mow down thousands of faceless troops without effort.
That's not to say you're necessarily wrong, of course; we all prefer different things in different games, and if you enjoy being a walking tank in GTA, that's fine. Just pointing out that it's got more of an excuse to use realism that anything published by Koei Tecmo.
Gertrud Bondesson not at all. That’s how game design works. You have to choose which aspects you want for the sake of realism and what need to be tweaked to make the gameplay more enjoyable
scottthewaterwarrior are you sure you’re not just bad at driving? I’ve never had a problem with the vehicles. Are you sure it’s not you?
Quick deaths is not really a problem though. Not in the same way. There are no corners cut there. It is purely artistic decision. DW9 is cutting out content for realism where there is still magic power. Cars handling not like real cars doesn't BEGIN to compare, because GTA isn't Gran Turismo. Cars are better than in GTA 3 (for example). Progress is made rather than regression. Time to kill shrinking isn't a degradation in quality.
where's the ambition? Nobunaga still has it.
matt webdev You know, I played Pokémon Conquest when I was younger without even realizing it was actually a crossover between those two games.
matt webdev HAHA
you are a great man
Well done
Kill 1000 enemies in the old Dynasty Warriors games: "You are a true warrior of the Three Kingdoms!"
Kill 9999+1 enemies in Dynasty Warriors 9: " ah sure whatever who cares ... why are we still here? Just to suffer?"
As far as the voice acting goes its all koei fault they didnt let them rehearse and rushed them to record the lines..xun yus voice actor stated this
MadGamer ! Damn
They also hired actors who specialize in bit parts in live-action dramas and movies rather than actual voice actors. I think only a handful of the VAs in the game have ever acted in a video game before.
Dynasty Warriors Nine? More like... Dynasty Warriors Shite-Arse
Or Dynasty Worriors Nein!!!
Mighty Dynasty Warriors No. 9
Dynasty warriwoes look what they DID to Jiang He
Life of Black Tecmo.
jiin6 I know the horror. Nein! Not Jiang He. How could they do this?
Everyone who had a favourite character is upset with the turnout of this game.
The idea that as a FAN of something you should not be critical of it has always baffled me. Honest critiques and evaluations of something you like is healthy. Complacency and blind allegiance to a brand doesn't help the brand. If a company just has to slap the right logo on something to get people to open their wallets then where is their incentive to grow and improve?
I always thought love is respect, and respect is honesty... and if you're the biggest fan of something, of course you love it, and that's where the seemingly "harsh" criticism comes from. I don't get how people don't see that either...
so true! well said
Yep. I hate when people say you aren't a fan of something just because you point out it's flaws.
Zero Mayhem The internet is full of SKELETON WARRIORS!!
Fans of something are *the* group of people who should be most critical of it. That's where the stakes are. If you have nothing to do with something, what relevance does your criticism really have? Objectively it's still valid, but it doesn't come from a place of vested interest.
Ambitious is not a defense. As are graphics at the expense of gameplay. The open world symptom is something most gamers developed an awareness of quite some time ago as that trend is nearly as big a warning as 'Procedural generated content'. You know, kinda made many wait until the reviews came in with those selling points
Being overly ambitious to the point of detriment is actually a flaw, not an admirable trait or defense. Ambition is only useful if you can control it, limit it to the point where it's useful, just like confidence. Once you fall to overconfidence or stubborn over-ambitiousness, you have no one to blame but yourself.
And here we have Minecraft and No Man’s Sky, procedurally-generated open world games. But then Minecraft is actually pretty good.
This game is unmitigated disaster on PC, did you not know that apparently koei didnt want the PC users to have access to the Chinese dub, they only want the PS4 players to get access to the Chinese dub voices so they sent out a patch instead of fixing the numerous bugs and issues. The patch only took out the Mandarin voice overs so now Chinese dub on PC isn't even a selectable option anymore. That was the thing that Koei thought should have been the first thing to get fixed. This game is optimized so poorly that it is rated as the worst running game on every console even when it's put in the action mode and on PC it's not even playable for most people. But koei thought that the Chinese dub on PC was the first thing that needs to get addressed....
I want the add that the complete editions don't even include the DLC from the base editions. Also I like to imagine you reusing the clips and voice over from last weeks Jimpression was partly a joke since Koei recycle a lot
Why imagine it? He says that's exactly why he's doing it just before he plays the clips.
Been very hype for this one since the Jimpressions... I'm not a big fan of Dynasty Warriors, but I am a big fan of Jim Sterling ripping into terrible games.
edit jesus christ, "autoerotic assetflipsiation" just how proud were you when you came up with that one
Seriously, the whole Xtreme Legends/Empires thing is what turned me off of the Warriors games to begin with. It makes no sense to me why the don't just make the Empires stuff just additional content in each of the base games. An extra mode to play, rather than a separate game every year that reuses the same assets.
it's called "milking the cash cow."
Capcom got away with it via it's endless releases of Street Fighter, so they thought they could do the same?
Did someone officially from KT seriously try to sell the genericization of all the movesets as "realism"? It's 100% money/laziness. It's, at best (and not a really good "best") a lack of time to fit them/make them in the "new action system". It's honestly just for selling later, though :(
It's probably more about the engine switch. Every time they switched engines they had to remove some of the more unique weapons for the first version.
I don't think it's realism, but also not entirely a "laziness" issue. I feel the game was rushed to a degree rather than being lazy. There are some very non-lazy details not covered by these videos, if you look for them, like how they added more story connections absent from previous titles.
i think the realism thing that KT said was completley a joke. like no one could cast magic or have fire, ice, poison or lighting come out of a sword or fan . no one used boomerangs in ancient china and such.
I know Dynasty Warriors has ever been the most successful franchise, but going open world is a terrible idea. It does not work with the Dynasty Warriors formula. Linear levels are a must. It makes the game chaotic and action-packed. Making it open world ruins the fun. Nobody wants to run around for 10 mins to fight one general.
InfluentialDiscovery but that's because it's empty lol.
a bigger play area requires more content, but also more structuring of that content so it flows properly. just making it bigger is always a terrible idea.
I would have loved a legitimate open-world massive battle, like if they made a big world, and then actually filled it with actual things. Unfortunately, they either couldn't due to tech, or just couldn't be bothered. So if they couldn't do it, they shouldn't have done it.
So you say, but...I can see people enjoying the game, outside of this comment section.
InfluentialDiscovery I’d say the same for Monster Hunter: World. It just makes things tedious as fuck to go places. The old MH system was so much simpler.
I can see ways it could have worked, if they weren't lazy fucks. Adding a bit of strategic element to driving enemy armies out and holding territory between the major battles, and shaking up that status quo with periodic time skips that act as "new levels" populated with different army make-ups and grand strategic objectives that can be done in any order, for example.
Combine:
- DW3 Aggressive AI
- DW4 Duels/Tone/Aesthetics/Modes
- DW5 Combat/Music
Perfection
Directed by Tommy Wiseau
This is a really well-edited jimquisition. I can really tell how much you like(d?) the series, and how dissapointed you are in tech-mo-money.
To date, I have played every single Dynasty Warriors, expansion and spinoff since DW2. Dynasty Warriors 9 is the only game in the entire franchise in which I can't find something to enjoy. Tecmo-Koei did a fantastic job of fucking up one of the simplest game series on the market. It would be impressive if it didn't fucking suck so much.
I just love it how Jim ironically autoerotically autoassetflipsiates here by reusing content from his previous video. Just... I'm touched. Your narration can be so sublime.
Tomasz Gałkowski almost like it was planned.
I have played Dynasty Warriors throughout the years, yet still find Dynasty Warrior 5 to be the one I enjoy the most, followed by Dynasty Warriors 4. All the rest, while I played them, soon became just another shelf game, collecting dust. I think I will pass on this 9th iteration. I enjoyed your review, and agree that the series has lost its way over the years.
Same, 5 was great! I started falling off of Dynasty Warriors at 6 and got into Samurai Warriors instead. But Orochi's my ultimate favorite. If you're gonna asset flip, at least make it an AU fantasy spinoff.
Would love it if you made a video discussing what new additions and improvements you’d want in an ideal Dynasty Warriors sequel, Jim. Would be interesting to hear what direction you’d want the series to go in after this debacle.
Personally, I’d just want them to deepen the existing move-sets of DW8, plus maybe add a unique mechanic to each character that compliments their fighting style (Pirate Warriors already has something akin to this, and Sengoku Basara has something similar that is even more fleshed out). It’d also be cool if, like with Sengoku Basara, there was an end game item for each character you could unlock, which powers up that unique character trait and makes your character even more fun and versatile to play. There was nothing wrong with the gameplay in DW8, they really only needed to keep making every character feel more unique and rewarding to play, not do a total revamp.
I’d also like a return to stage based level design, but maybe have the stages be more varied in their progression and design.
My biggest thing with 9 is I KNEW it wasn't going to be as good as 8. The moment they revealed they were doing an open world design AND revamped the moveset system, I knew corners were going to be cut somewhere.
My perfect musou game would be pirate warriors 3 gameplay with characters from either an anime I like a lot better or traditional historical figures.
Their crossover games are their best selling and best performing games. I personally love the Samurai Warriors series, but they are built for fun spinoffs. You can only tell the same story so many times
@@sweetmoonpigeon7469 For a good reason honestly, otherwise the IP owners of the things they crossover with would tear them a new one
I want a system like 5, where it wasn't too over the top. I'd like the grab attack system from 6, honestly. Maybe they can make the musou like 5, but stronger. I'd love the duels system from 4 as well.
SKELETON WARRIORS - new and shiny spin off of Dynasty games
1. This is not ambitious. Ambitious would be if the game ran slow because it was actually processing thousands of soldiers everywhere on the map, all doing things. This is...just poor game building. With zero shame.
2. WHY IS AMBITION AUTOMATICALLY A GOOD THING?!? Last time I checked we don't appreciate it when people try to literally conquer the world.
Agree on point #1, but there is something to be said for ambition when it is actually present. Just because a game doesn't accomplish everything it sets out to do, just because it fails to be a commercial success, doesn't mean it wasn't a valid effort and a contribution to the industry.
A game like Spore is a prime example of this; that game was a labor of love, and shot higher than many others could ever dream of. It tried to be a life-sim godgame that took advantage of four or five different gameplay genres, and an endgame promising the exploration of hundreds of thousands of procedural planets. The end result was, of course, unfinished and a bit shallow on gameplay; but to say that they didn't truly give it their all would be a disservice, and it's effect on games as a whole are still being felt to this day.
Being overly ambitious to the point of detriment is actually a flaw, not an admirable trait or defense. Ambition is only useful if you can control it, limit it to the point where it's useful, just like confidence. Once you fall to overconfidence or stubborn over-ambitiousness, you have no one to blame but yourself.
Ambition is about wanting to expand on what works and take it to new heights. Unfortunately it needs to be tempered with common sense - you need to realize the difference between what's a good and bad idea. "Let's make the map even bigger!" is ambitious, and also stupid if you don't anticipate what else needs to be changed or updated to accommodate that (more content, improved engine so there's no lag, etc.)
Aye, I'd much rather play an unoriginal but flawlessly executed game, than an "ambitious" game that is a poorly conceived and unfinished mess.
I entirely agree that, as a player, I would prefer something unoriginal and well done than an ambitious project that didn't succeed; my main point was that ambition advances the industry as a whole. An ambitious game might fail because it tried to overreach, but another developer with the right resources can refine their ideas into a much better game, which wouldn't happen if someone didn't have the idea in the first place.
3 was great.
4 was pretty good.
5 was great.
6 was garbage if I'm being nice about it.
Didn't play 7.
8 is incredible.
Dynasty Warriors the series is basically the Sims 3 of action games. Far too much DLC, far too little actual changes in content, looks like shit and basically never works on PC. Ever.
Actually, the funny part is that the base Sims 3 works amazingly on PC. It's the staggering amount of dlc, paired with how the game handles loading it, that causes all the issues.
An SSD and a decent modern gaming rig can load up a Sims 3 save file with all DLC it in roughy five minutes, but if you're playing on a period PC (like one that would've been top of the line when the Sims 3 came out) you're gonna be doing more waiting than anything.
And I wouldn't recommend playing it without a full suite of mods. Like I said, the base game was pretty much fine, but the DLCs added so many bugs and glitches you need them to run it. :/
Isnt that Sims 4?
At least sims 3 didn't cutout tons of content that was available in the base game of the previous ones unlike sims 4
I played Dynasty Warriors 8 and Samurai Warriors 4-II all the way through on PC, so that part is a bit of an exaggeration.
Zanithos Five minutes is still far too long.
I dunno. Orochi 3 and Dynasty 7 and 8 were the peak of greatness.
There have been fifty Warriors games since 1997. Fifty. Five zero. 50. Fifty.
FIFTY FUCKIN GAMES
IN JUST TWENTY YEARS
WHAT THE FUCK, KOEI
Dynasty warriors 8 is still fun. Just recently got the switch version. Perfect place for the game.
Edit: The switch version contains all paid content.
#autoeroticassetflipsiation
Did you know Tecmo Koei died from autoerotic assetflipsiation?
At this point they need to remaster DW3-5 and just put out a huge apology for taking advantage of the fans who remained loyal.
Tecmo Koei announced the PC version will have the Japanese/Traditional & Simplified Chinese localization very soon, which internet communities call out that localization files originally in the game files......
WHY CUT THE CORNER AND UNDO THIS WHEN LOCALIZATION WAS ALREADY DONE?
Dynasty Warriors 9 sucks so hard that it could replace vacum cleaner in my house.
Mateusz I heard some factoried use them to vaccum seal their products.
It can replace your mom.
If we're not careful what we say, Koei may add your house's vacuum cleaner as an NPC's DLC weapon for the Xtreme Complete version of the game.
Lord Spade In a lootbox.😀
+Spoon Spoon.
Nope, but it certainly it could replace you. And since you mention it, you have some heavy experience in "sucking" things.
Watching this in 2022 just gives a different vibe than when I watched it on release.
Damm So much Good content from Jim lately
Who thought that the way Dynasty Warriors 9 did open world was a good idea, giving you travel time to deal with between bouts of murder? When I play a Warriors game, I always found it annoying when you ran out of things within immediate murdering range and had to spend time going to your next murders. I don't even think that it would be good if they filled the entire open world with enemies, because then the fighting would just get tedious as you have to kill about twenty thousand guys just to get from one objective to the next, which would really emphasize the common criticism of the combat getting repetitive.Just a bad idea in general,, only chasing trends.
Hearing all the sounds and seeing the footage from DW3 makes me so happy. And your love of Zhang He? I can see you are true man of class.
Deer god...
The voice acting in the intro...holy shit
It was truly God-tier. I Mel Blanc would be proud of it.
Oh, so monday really IS comming ^^
Don't worry Hyrule Warrior switch is comming to cheer you up Jim!
My only real experience with the warriors series is Hyrule. Its crazy to see the change in quality in just a few titles.
Drink a Beer and Play a Game Play the Fire Emblem one, it's very good
picked it up recently but haven't gotten to play yet, will give it a go this week
Well lets be honest here,Hyrule was kind of outstanding even for a fan of the series.
Dont expect that level of quality if you decide to continue going further.
I played Dynasty Warriors Gundam years ago, and later picked up Hyrule Warriors. I enjoyed them both and saw improvement between even those two titles. (Then again, I LOVE beat 'em ups/hack n' slashes) I have Warriors All-Stars and DW2 still in shrink wrap. I'm wondering if I'll enjoy them as much?
DW2?
Unlikely,that game aged poorly to a hilarious degree.
He should check the amount of DLC they did with dead or alive
Eastyy
I stopped checking when they went past $100. That was years ago. What are they at now?
Checked and all the dlc came to 1267.29 euro
Example of DLC includes Buy DOA5LR DLC1251 Swimwear Gravure Set See the ladies of DOA soak up some sun in 54 swimsuits and 16 movies:
・12 Hot Getaway costumes
・14 Ultimate Sexy costumes
・14 Tropical Sexy costumes
・4 Showstoppers costumes
・4 New Challengers costumes
・2 Last Getaway costumes
・4 Premier Sexy costumes
・16 Private Paradise movies
all for 59.99
Fucking hell. That is a lot of money to sink into a single mediocre game.
I wonder if anyone actually bought all that shit.
As a long time fan of the series and the extreme series I couldn’t believe ether but it was the fact that DOAX3 wasn’t going to be on Xbox that broke me my heart
even fire emblem warriors, which has a lot of the great design from hyrule warriors, also has a bunch of fucking clones, including the dlc characters you have to pay for!
"So, was the enemy camp pretty?"
LOL
Maybe it's time to make an indie dynasty warriors game where the game is done right.
Maybe one day we will have an Indie version of Dinasty Warriors, where various characters from Indie games (Shovel Knight, Crow, Quote, etc.) are playable.
That. Sounds. Awesome!
Yeah but they have a pattent for this style of gameplay
zamot699 that... sounds like a REALLY ridiculous patent. In fact I'm fairly certain an indie group would not have to worry about the court case... as a court case would require Tecmo Koie(sp?) having to explain the patent in a court of law.
Any case where one side having to explain what they are in court for interferes with actually doing the court case... usually gets thrown out.
I know that is how I don't have a criminal record. In order to have one--the Prosecution and arriving police officers would be required to explain what I did in a court of law. They could not explain it.. because well--it would take quite some time. It is almost always a really long story.
@zamot699 hasent stopped ninety nine nights or basara. besides KOEI does not own history.
Hyrule Warriors is the best Dynasty Warriors game.
I liked Dragon Quest Heroes 2 more, but the fact both of those games are fantastic is even worse for DW9. They've demonstrated they CAN Innovate on the core formula and churn out quality games, the fact they failed to do so is a crushing indictment.
Pirate Warriors is my personal best
Kindkiller43 Definitely pirate warriors.
Kens rage all the way, you can't go ATATATATATATA! In those other warriors games so......
Certainly among the best. They even managed to do a season pass that wasn't complete bunk - unlike 99% of season passes out there.
Fuck, man, I hadn't realized it was this bad. Dammit, I love Warriors games, but this is unacceptable.
DW3 was the only one i played and it was real fun back then...You did not want to mess with Lu Bu at Hu Lao gate on the hardest difficulty!
Oh, It was easy. Go to XL and play the Very Hard difficulty on Lu Bu's He Fei Castle. That level is where it's at.
Shovel est me too, 3-5 probably my fave ones. Played the dw3 demo so many times before I got the game