10 CLASSIC 1930s Clones - From £15!

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  • @KlausKokholmPetersen
    @KlausKokholmPetersen 2 года назад +1

    I love the Helios 44. Great for portraits on Fuji X.

  • @herrreinsch
    @herrreinsch 3 года назад +6

    I don't know what I like more, the character of these lenses or the character of this channel.❤ :)

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  3 года назад +1

      :) Thank you!

    • @Crokto
      @Crokto 2 года назад +1

      It's not so much a question of whether you can justify watching this channel, as it is whether you can justify not watching this channel

  • @mfreider
    @mfreider 4 года назад +4

    The BEST, really - THE BEST review of all major 50mm from Soviet Era! This is a review a photographer who cares about real images not some charts, graphs and numbers. I love samples shots, which illustrated as strengths and weaknesses of each lens, I especially like the “bad” ones, where you managed to use some quirks of lens into benefits of resulting image. This is a sign of person who knows what he is holding and how to use it.
    One thing which worth to mention, if you gone buy one, they are cheap and old ;) Nothing can break inside them, most were designed to survive a nuclear war LOL ;) but they would appreciate little cleaning and greasing. Which is not hard to do.
    Thanks a lot for such excellent video! Well worth of 22 min of my life :)

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  4 года назад +1

      Many thanks, very glad you enjoyed it!

  • @jimgraves4197
    @jimgraves4197 4 года назад +3

    Lenses with character! I love the Industar 50-2 50mm f/3.5, a tiny lens that punches way above it's weight!

  • @kommissarjupiter7667
    @kommissarjupiter7667 4 года назад +13

    Just a small Info. You can create an 'Tessar' with an wider aperture than f2.8 but its creation involves a lot of techniques that back then where way too costly, mainly several aspherical elements. In fact the f2.8 is the widest you can go without sacrificing that much in terms of optical aberrations and performance. The perfect, as in the best corrections and optical performance for 4 elements in 3 groups, would be at f4-f4.5. In this form it was produced up until the fall of the GDR in varying focal lengths for large format and studio cameras.
    As for the wider aperture CZJ was actually the birthplace of this Idea with Willy Merte and a guy named Thiele being the main engineers. There are/were prototypes from 1934 and 1935 of different tessars with max apertures of f2.8, f2, and even f1.5 which utilize aspherical glass in more than one element. These were patented in late 1940 in the Third Reich and first made public in 1954 in GDR when both of the engineers had already passed. And with both engineers dead and the factory deconstructed, the Jena works had to start from the ground up again. The f2.8 Tessar (this includes the 80mm Tessar as well which suffers from the focal point shifting along the optical axis when stopping down) still suffers from spherical aberrations up until f5.6 but with its new role as a cheap amateur lens, starting in the 60s with the new Praktica line, there was not much attention paid to it anymore. I mean you can really only do so much with 4 elements really.
    Another curious Tessar is the wideangle 28mm f8 Tessar with a whopping 75 degrees field of view from the 30s for the Contax. Not being that light strong at f8 it was also not that sharp wide-open with the manual suggesting to stop down to atleast f16 to achieve enough sharpness.
    Edit, here's my source but it's in german zeissikonveb.de/start/objektive/normalobjektive/tessar.html

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  4 года назад +4

      Some very interesting information there, many thanks!

  • @timsmith5339
    @timsmith5339 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for another interesting and informative video. This is now my go to resource for the low down on vintage lenses. I am building a bit of a collection now for use on my Fuji and Nikon DSLR. I have noticed that there is plenty of opportunity to get 'ripped off' when buying old lenses. I would suggest shopping around and certainly don't buy the first example you see unless you are confident that it is good and at a reasonable price. Thanks again, Tim

  • @argusc3310
    @argusc3310 3 года назад +1

    I am a fan of the Cooke triplet 50mm f/3.5 standard lens for the American-made Argus C-series “brick” cameras. I have read that it was a copy of a Leitz design. These cameras were made from 1939-1966, a long production run. Pre-WWII until 1942 when production was suspended for the war effort, and for a short time post-WWII (until 1946), they were uncoated; and they were single-coated after that. The lens went through a series of mostly minor design variations. Quality is inconsistent, but find a good one and it will be very good. Fortunately, the cameras with their lenses are inexpensive on US eBay, in the neighborhood of $20. 33mm screw mount, and I believe adapters to Sony Alpha mount are available. But I just shoot them on their native camera bodies.

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  3 года назад

      Thanks for the tip, I'll check those cameras out!

  • @davidpostma9862
    @davidpostma9862 4 года назад +4

    So interesting I had to watch several times. Very good analyses.

  • @petersnow389
    @petersnow389 4 года назад +1

    Thank you for another excellent lens review. I feel sure that the superb colour rendition of Zeiss Jena lenses was designed into them. To quote from the CZ Scientific literature, (importers of Jena optics, Praktica, Pentacon, and Exakta cameras, circa 1970's). "Photography today, whether still, or cine, is coming more and more to mean Colour Photography". Also, in the same literature, we read, "For colour photography resolution, sharpness, and contrast, although essential, are not enough, colour balance is just as important". It goes on to state. "Zeiss lenses are identically colour matched, and individually tested, (the test negative is retained on file in the factory)". Your reviews on these superb lenses certainly seem to confirm this, I have used them for years on my Exaktas, and have been very pleased with them, and the 50mmTessar, 25mm Flektogon, and 80mm Biometar, are my favourites.

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  4 года назад

      They're some of the nicest optics ever made - just stunning!

  • @neilpiper9889
    @neilpiper9889 4 года назад

    I still have the Zenith C marked 1958 on the body and the Nyatacap 50mm 3.5 (Industar) coated lens also marked 1958.
    A barnack loading, very small, and my first reflex camera that I bought when I was 13, and lived in Suffolk, UK. .I bought it in Lowestoft.
    Best Soviet lens I have is a Jupiter 8 black with green markings. I use it on my Zorki 4k.
    I do have several 58mm f2 lenses including an Auto Cosmogon which is excellent, and not often seen.
    I also have a Kiev 6c 6x6 slr with a 90mm 2.8 Vega lens. Excellent all round lens. Fits Pentacon 6 too.
    I love the results from my zone focus Cosmic symbol, 40mm f4 lens. People take these lenses ot and put a digital camera mount on them. Great video as usual.
    Thank you very much.

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  4 года назад

      That little Zenit sounds lovely - and you have quite a collection there! Enjoy!

  • @GeorgeK356
    @GeorgeK356 4 года назад +1

    Great video, lovely pictures and information too. What more could we want.
    Thumbs up
    George

  • @derekholmes1302
    @derekholmes1302 4 года назад +4

    Superb video Nigel!
    Really appreciate the thought + endeavor you put into this.
    Very interesting comparisons, also the fact that these quality optics are surprisingly cheap!
    Many thanks
    Derek

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  4 года назад

      I'm very glad you enjoyed it Derek; it wouldn't have been possible without your lenses! I was very impressed with that little Fed 10 by the way, very nice indeed!

    • @derekholmes1302
      @derekholmes1302 4 года назад

      @@zenography7923 Hi Nigel,
      Please keep the fed 10 lens to accompany your own uncoated version!
      Derek

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  4 года назад

      Are you sure? That's very kind Derek - I certainly don't mind looking after it for a while, and it's here if ever you want it!

    • @derekholmes1302
      @derekholmes1302 4 года назад

      @@zenography7923
      I recently purchased 2 identical fed 10 lenses from an Ebay seller- in Belarus, please therefore keep the fed 10 lens for your own collection.
      Derek

  • @SatanSupimpa
    @SatanSupimpa 4 года назад +5

    It's kinda hard to get vintage lenses here in Brazil on a fair price. But if they were more accessible, I'd probably ruin my life buying them all.

  • @EranBadash
    @EranBadash 2 года назад

    Great reviews, thank you! Very helpful 📽️

  • @zdrhy
    @zdrhy 3 года назад

    I love your videos so much. Thanks. You are showing nice lenses to us even with sample photos. Excellent!

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  3 года назад +1

      Many thanks, glad you're enjoying them!

  • @seventeendegree
    @seventeendegree 2 года назад

    Feel free to watch the Fritz Lang movie "M". I have no idea what lenses they used, probably Plasmat lenses. Very unique look, extremely hard to get :)

  • @genghischan69
    @genghischan69 4 года назад

    You are probably the most positive photography channel on youtube, hehe.

  • @ПётрПокрышкин
    @ПётрПокрышкин 4 года назад +3

    most likely industar with no l/d mark has the same lanthanum glass as l/d version

  • @adiamalik3008
    @adiamalik3008 4 года назад +6

    The colors are beautiful and natural, while the colors of the current lenses are too electric...

  • @seoulrydr
    @seoulrydr 4 года назад +1

    Thank you for your content!

  • @stillben
    @stillben 3 года назад

    what is also soft and lovely...is your voice.

  • @LeendertCordemans
    @LeendertCordemans 4 года назад +1

    Nice review again. I have a Industar 50 with a M39 metal colour version mount and not M42 for the Zenith 3M. Zenith 3M has a M39 screw mount. This was a standard lens delivered. Is this a old model? Also have the black version which is black one with M42 screw mount.

    • @kommissarjupiter7667
      @kommissarjupiter7667 4 года назад +1

      The zenit with the M39x1 should be adaptable with a simple 39mm to 42mm spacing ring. I had a MIR-1 for the Zenit C which has the same mount which I could adapt to M42 via a spacing ring. The Flange Focal Distance of the early Zenit SLRs is almost the same as the Flange Focal Distance (FFD) of the M42 lens mount.

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  4 года назад +2

      I echo what Kommissar Jupiter said - the M39 mount (as opposed to the L39 mount, for rangefinder lenses) is intended for early Zenit SLRs, and will work fine with an M39 to M42 adaptor ring.

    • @nekoth
      @nekoth 4 года назад

      There are industar 50s with m39 in 2 versions - for rangefinder and for SLRs. You can distinguish them by the barrel. The rangefinder version has a large barrel. You cannot use rangefinder version on SLR, even with 39->42mm adapter, focus will be wrong.

  • @Grasyl
    @Grasyl 4 года назад

    Very nice Video, I own a view of those my self and can totally agree with you. But you have to get ones that were not polished by a rag.

  • @RedHell2884
    @RedHell2884 3 года назад +1

    Welcome, teacher.
    I am following you with interest.
    Your videos are beautiful and your topics are accurate and important.
    The prices of the lenses are expensive and there are cheap alternatives, as you said, but my problem is that I do not have experience of suitable adapters in order to buy several cheap vintage lenses, because I own several full-frame and crop cameras dslr and film.
    Regard
    I use google for translation

  • @ronaldsand3000
    @ronaldsand3000 4 года назад

    All delightful feel good pictures

  • @OldCameras
    @OldCameras 4 года назад

    Ah. Another zen video. An oasis of calm bang in the middle of shoutfest RUclips 🙏
    I've used a few of those Russian/Soviet lenses myself over the years.

  • @ulfjonsson2122
    @ulfjonsson2122 4 года назад +1

    Pure entertainment! Thank you / Ulf

  • @paulburns2814
    @paulburns2814 4 года назад +1

    In case I missed it, what camera were you using, the images from these lenses are brilliant

  • @steveandthedogs
    @steveandthedogs 4 года назад

    Have just bought a FED 10, it's tiny! And at first try seems to give good results.If you get the chance, try an E German Werramatic. Came with three lenses, 50, 35 and 90. All rather nice and a very quirky camera!

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  4 года назад

      Thanks for the tip, I'll look out for one!

    • @kommissarjupiter7667
      @kommissarjupiter7667 4 года назад

      @@zenography7923 The Werra and the Werramatic are unusual small leaf shutter viewfinder and later rangefinder cameras. The Werra V and Werramatic is the most advanced with an combined view and rangefinder that not only shows frame lines for the lenses but also shows you the selected aperture and shutter speed.
      And it gets better ! The GDR's own leaf shutter the 'Prestor RVS' in this camera has a top speed of 1/750s ! The lens cap of the standard 50mm Tessar is designed to also double as a lens hood. The film is advanced and the shutter cocked via twisting the ring around the lens mount in one swift motion.
      The lenses are the aforementioned Tessar 50mm/2.8, the famous Flektogon 35mm/2.8, and lastly the unusual sonnar-type Cardinar 100mm/4. There's no 90mm lens afaik
      More Info ( In German sadly but has cool images and crossections of the werra and more) zeissikonveb.de/start/kameras/werra.html

  • @jakoberiksen2944
    @jakoberiksen2944 3 года назад

    Hello :) i was wondering if you would like to do a video with “best lenses for film-look video”, maybe they would be the same as the ones for photography, or maybe not? I would love to see it anyway because I really liked your video sample with the Indus tar 61! The b&w. So maybe a guide to buying a kit of video lenses with a film look? 🌛

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  3 года назад +1

      I've been thinking about a video of this kind for a while - stay tuned!

    • @jakoberiksen2944
      @jakoberiksen2944 3 года назад

      @@zenography7923 YES 😊🙏

  • @philhodgkinson1460
    @philhodgkinson1460 2 года назад

    It's my understanding of reading including some Russian commentators that the Industar 61 was probably built in 4 different factories behind the Iron curtain!!

  • @messylaura
    @messylaura 4 года назад

    have you done a group test of sub ƒ2.8 M42's i recently been using my super takumar ƒ1.8 55mm, its a fantastic vintage lens, very hard to take it off the camera now :)
    very interested in getting some more very fast vintage lenses

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  4 года назад

      Ah, you've discovered the Pentax - that little 55mm is a big favourite of mine - sharp, great bokeh and cheap too! And yes, if you check out my videos there are some that deal with f2 lenses, f1.8 lenses and f1.4 lenses. There's one that looks at f1.2 lenses too!

  • @samsen3965
    @samsen3965 4 года назад +1

    Thanks to great reviews such as this that has made these old lenses so pricy, at times much more expensive than the newest computer designed, aspherical, AF, nicely, and complexly coated digital era lenses, thus really unaffordable or not price worthy anymore. I guess I stop looking to hunt any of these as deals are no more in existence and maybe after a long cool down period or second wave of cheap old lenses if that ever happens. Meanwhile thank you for the great content as stated also by other viewers and way to go.

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  4 года назад +1

      Thanks, glad you're enjoying the channel! The key to buying cheap vintage lenses is patience - don't pay the often inflated 'buy it now' prices, you'll find they are still out there!

  • @vincere_
    @vincere_ 4 года назад

    There does seem to also be a Pentacon 1.8/50 "Auto", though I've yet to work out what the automatic part is from my experience of owning one. Unfortunately for me, the lens thread has somehow gotten loose and is prone to falling off.

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  4 года назад

      It should be easily tightened up with a small screwdriver...

  • @g-r-a-e-m-e-
    @g-r-a-e-m-e- 4 года назад

    Fantastic. Thanks!

  • @punkrachmaninoff
    @punkrachmaninoff 4 года назад +2

    Really want to buy an Industar-69 for my Fujifilm X-E3... Have a feeling I would never take it off (once I set it to infinity).

  • @mikafoxx2717
    @mikafoxx2717 2 года назад

    What's your opinion on the industar 61 vs the Jena Tessar head to head? They seem very comparable in their design, having all the same specifications and lens mounts. Do they have a different look, or are they mostly just mechanically different? I love the classic way tessars look, and have wanted to find one for my Pentax S, despite having a nice takumar lineup. On paper these lenses are more or less the same, and while I'd love Carl Zeiss to be written on the lens, the industar could be found more readily and for cheaper. I also plan to pick up a industar 50-2 so I have both the lens options my Zenit E could have come with, plus it's darn tiny.

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  2 года назад

      All 3 lenses you mention are nice, and will give you sharp images with plenty of vintage character. I like the I-61 very much personally, but it's a rangefinder lens so won't shoot quite as close as the other two (I-50 comes in both RF and SLR mounts). You could probably buy all 3 and - maybe get a camera thrown in - for less than £50, so you really can't go wrong!

    • @mikafoxx2717
      @mikafoxx2717 2 года назад

      @@zenography7923 I think there is an M42 mount I-61, but it seems to at least double the cost of it. I'll keep my eyes peeled for the real deal, name brand tessar. Plus a 50-2, because it's tiny and next to free.

  • @tonyjedioftheforest1364
    @tonyjedioftheforest1364 4 года назад

    Another excellent video, thank you.

  • @gerardodd2086
    @gerardodd2086 4 года назад

    It’s interesting to follow your vocabulary (terms), you used to explain images illustrated. If I can’t see the difference in the images do to lenses used, how can I continue?
    I personally think some of the most revered impressionist paintings were made with the only brushes the artist could buy.

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  4 года назад

      I agree, you can make a great image with ANY lens, and you don't necessarily need the most fancy bit of kit. As for differences between lenses, well, I base them on my subjective observations to better reflect real world photography, rather than shooting images of test charts!

  • @hunting_gloves
    @hunting_gloves 4 года назад

    Just wonderful. Question I have. How do I mount these on sony e-mont? What are the different adapters?

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  4 года назад

      For an L39 lens (all the rangefinder lenses here) , use an L39 to e mount adaptor. The SLR lenses here are M42, so you'll need an M42 to e mount adaptor.

  • @borisbritva1665
    @borisbritva1665 3 года назад +1

    7:10
    Just so you know, its name isn't derived from Lanthanum. Л/Д in Russian means "Дальномерный" or "Rangefinder Version". You certainly know its Л/З version, with "З" standing for "Зеркальный" or "Mirror Version".

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  3 года назад +1

      I didn't know that, thanks for the info!

  • @camedia7291
    @camedia7291 4 года назад +1

    Hi I have a question, I have a Exakta vx camera with a few lenses, which adapter would I need to mount to a Canon 1300D (T6)

    • @otc-analogvintagetechnology
      @otc-analogvintagetechnology 4 года назад +1

      Hi, I easily adapted exacta lenses in m42 (you simply have to unscrew the lock pin and mount the M42 ring) done this you can use an M42 to Canon ring...

  • @brauliomorrison
    @brauliomorrison Год назад

    A+

  • @AndriusMaciunas
    @AndriusMaciunas 3 года назад

    If you add lens name on the video it would be great!

  • @shlomiofir2285
    @shlomiofir2285 4 года назад

    Thank you for a great video, on the a7r wich one will make the best for portraits in bw?

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  4 года назад +1

      Best choices I think would be the Helios 44 or the Jupiter 8.

  • @tomislavmiletic_
    @tomislavmiletic_ 4 года назад

    Hmmm... I've been shooting Jupiter 8 for years, but I've never adopted it to any digital camera... yet. I guess it's to change that 😉👍
    BTW, collapsible FED lens would make my Zorki 4k truly pocketable... IF I'm able to find a nice one.

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  4 года назад +1

      Vintage lenses on digital mirrorless cameras give the best of both worlds!

  • @josethevegan8923
    @josethevegan8923 3 года назад

    How can I use those glasses on my Canon M50? I do have a mount adapter EF EOS M... I'm very new at this.
    Thank you... and I love 💘 your content!
    JoseTheVegan on RUclips

  • @williamkazak
    @williamkazak 4 года назад

    Very interesting lenses. Now you can consider your worst lenses and review them as to why did you purchase this!

  • @maxgrau9083
    @maxgrau9083 3 года назад

    What can I do to get a Jupiter 12 Contax RF Mount to A6000 ?

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  3 года назад

      It's not so easy but it can be done - adaptors with the required focussing helix are available on ebay, although they're more expensive than simpler adaptors.

    • @maxgrau9083
      @maxgrau9083 3 года назад

      @@zenography7923 Please link one to me, I´m so unexperienced to find the correct one !

  • @subbbass
    @subbbass 4 года назад +1

    although i really like your videos and appreciate this review. I think your introduction of this video is partially incorrect. every design of Carl Zeiss until 1945 came from Jena, a city in Thuringia, (East-) Germany. Leica is located in Wetzlar, Hessen, (West-)Germany. The Tessar was produced where the Carl Zeiss company was founded in 1846. The Pentacon Company was located in Dresden (saxonia) and included the Meyer Görlitz (saxonia) factory among others. The Pentacon 1.8 50mm is the successor of the 1969 Meyer Görlitz 1.8/50 Oreston, which was a successor of the Meyer Görlitz Domiron 2/50. the latest prakticar lenses (late 1980ies) were made by IOR in Bukarest, Rumania. East Germany was part of the east-bloc but not a soviet-republic and the reputation of products made in G.D.R was much better in other eastern countries, than products of the USSR. I think it's worth to not mix all up. anyway, thanx for the review and all the best!

  • @vintagephotographer
    @vintagephotographer 4 года назад

    Great reviews, as always, but what happened to the commentary 7:34 - 7:45? The opening sentence was cut off - audio vignetting?

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  4 года назад

      It's intact in the master file I have here - perhaps there was a problem with playback? Anyone else notice this?

    • @vintagephotographer
      @vintagephotographer 4 года назад

      @@zenography7923 : At the risk of being accused of pedantry, here's the transcription, with [ ] around the rather odd edit (?). It sounds like a conflation of two sentences:
      "...There is some marketing going on with all this though, because the instruction manual for the FED 4 camera that shipped with the Industar [61 big] difference though is in the quality of construction. The later lens..."

  • @DrRchannel71
    @DrRchannel71 4 года назад

    interesting video, like

  • @maxgrau9083
    @maxgrau9083 3 года назад

    I like you and the channel , what about Leitz ?

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  3 года назад

      Thanks Max! I'd like to look at some Leitz lenses - just got to collect some together!

  • @zachward6441
    @zachward6441 4 года назад

    Are most of these shits stopped down, or do you shoot the examples wide open?

  • @eagleeyephoto8715
    @eagleeyephoto8715 4 года назад

    Hmmm Jena Germany can be barely be call ex soviet country and those Zeiss Jena lenses are No copy of any "western" design.As far as I know it is other way around.Zeiss AG moved from Jena to Oberkochen and originaal Zeiss factory remained in Jena.Both company made genuine Zeiss design glass.

  • @roybixby6135
    @roybixby6135 4 года назад +1

    I like old Russian lenses but have has a mixed experience with quality - some great and some useless...

    • @zenography7923
      @zenography7923  4 года назад

      I must have been lucky - I've only ever encountered one bad one!

    • @nekoth
      @nekoth 4 года назад

      They are old and had a long history behind them, so they can be in bad shape even if they were fine initially. I've had a lot of them, and worst cases (not counting scratched lenses and bend tubes) could be solved with a proper reassembly with some lubing and cleaning. They were built to last.