Did Wes Huff Make This Massive Error about Scripture on the Joe Rogan Podcast?
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- Did Wes Huff Make This Massive Error about Scripture on the Joe Rogan Podcast?
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Dan apologized and corrected himself here: ruclips.net/video/wRVCfRWpaeo/видео.htmlsi=dgAjD84YfXOwDVzY
I don’t think we want to say “the jist of it”, we are dealing with small errors like diacritical marks, scribal errors and notations, mistaken number.
I understood what you meant by “jist”, as the main ideas are not compromised. But in the grand scheme the Bible is very accurate and unified…EVEN WITH THOSE SMALL ERRORS
Thank God i found my faith in a max security cell block, It's hypocrisy like "every verse was different!" Or how ppl act hateful compared to how they preach, plus all the fighting and hate between denominations and beliefs (like the KJV only people). I was told once "The devil speaks scripture," calling me the devil because I said "Faith in Christ brings you salvation, not denomination." If I didn't find my faith with people who genuinely acted like Christians, who loved each other for being brothers in Christ, and with people I could actually rely on for my survival, then I don't think i would've turned towards Jesus. I'd see all the hypocrisy and be disgusted by religious ppl's behavior. Luckily, I found my faith in a place with ppl who practiced what they preached. Everything happens for a reason I guess
Watch the follow up, Mel Gibson telling Joe about the Shroud of Turin.
Have you ever asked these _atheists/enlightened skeptics_ (I will try to be polite) why they do not attack Jud*ism or Isl*m with this much vitriol? Why is it always Christ?
Edit: This guy is an academic Mormon?? I had not heard of him until now, looks I was off. He comes off like an atheist skeptic. However, my question still stands.
Sadly all the pods i used to love watching are now all channels that are just shitting on other guys that are just doing the same stuff as them learning
Every time something good comes out there's an army of people trying to tear it down and missing the fact we are all moving in the same direction
It's called narcissism and they aren't working for the Lord. They are working for themselves.
We are chronically unable to take Ws
Totally agree. 💯
If the Critique is Valid Why do you cry? If it isn't Valid then refute their refutations. Blindly following scholars is not a Flex for any religion. Healthy Debate sharpens your sword.
@@SavageHeliosOne : why do you think the world doesn’t want Jesus. They don’t want this dysfunction for their lives. A misrepresentation of Christanity .
That guy is probably just butthurt that Joe and Wes kept calling Mormons the nicest cult members
😂
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Bingo!
100% 😂
😂 that’s what the data shows
So in a nutshell, another W for Huff.
Huff makes many false claims:
1. Every chapter of the Book Of Mark has a reference to Jesus being God Almighty (false).
2. Mark and Luke were merely “reporters”, not witnesses (false).
3. On the 3rd Day resurrection, Mary and others saw a man whom they didn’t know nor recognize. Wes claims this was Jesus (false).
What's your proof or source?
@@michaelseay9783where did. Wes claim they were eye witnesses and mind you mark and Luke were literally in the same area it’s not like they were in a whole different country
@@michaelseay9783 1. You’re presupposing your interpretation is correct.
2. Huff literally said Luke and Mark were not eye witnesses: So you are either lying, can’t comprehend language, or didn’t watch the whole podcast.
3. You are quite literally wrong. Mary did see Jesus.
@@michaelseay9783 1. It does, but not in the sense of always being called the title ,
but referencing the things he was doing, for example,
healing the sick, casting out demons and the demons acknowledging he was the Son of God, cursing the fig tree, entrance in Jerusalem and being called the one to come in the name of the Lord. All these things which the jews rejected as references to him being God but he was.
2. Don't know where you're getting your sources but Mark and Luke were not firsthand eyewitness accounts, but they did write based off eyewitness testimony due to Paul and Peter, they probably were hearing the miracles, but the consensus among scholars is that they weren't witnesses .
3. Initially Mary magdelene actually didnt recognize Jesus as he thought it was a gardener, and Peter after he had risen from the dead didnt recognize Jesus either in John 21:4, as well as 2 people on the road to Emmaus. This was the context which in Wesley was saying, eventually all of them came to their senses
The moment I saw Dan's face in the thumbnail I rolled my eyes. 2 mintutes in and that was confirmed.
Nice to see you addressing this, Ruslan.
Have you to the time to watch dan? You should know their arguments in and out to better debate but if thats something you don't line to do well then i guess my comment is pointless
@@kaldheimknight exactly... You want a consistently bad and false take, then listen to Dan.
@@PaulEwog116 wow the dogma is strong on this one
@@jbeard3390 it is kind of pointless my brother, sadly the majority of Christians can't handle content or data like the one Dan's presents. I have learned to consume Dan's content without getting triggered and I have learned a lot, his Biblical perspective is refreshing in a world full of dogma. I have learned to identify the dogma on my own beliefs, and, believe it or not, that has strengthened my faith. But sadly not many believers can see that.
@melodygn truth is truth. It doesn't care about yours or my opinion.
Wes really pissed off the Mormons by calling them a cult, haha
They are
@@Prognosis__ and many christians esp. catholics are not ?
@@ufiCzas a former Catholic…. Mother attempted to convert me to Jehovah witness when I was young as well…
I know a cult when I see one. Mormons, Catholics, same same but different. Still PDF files
@@ufiCzCorrect
Wes didn’t say that. Joe rogan did
Once people realize that Mormonism is not only not Christian but actually basically a form of atheism, then Dan’s approach to the Bible makes sense.
How is it a form of atheism? Because according to them, God is someone who began as a man and became exalted...? I'm not an expert on Mormonism by any stretch. Just curious.
@ Here’s maybe the best way I can describe it. Theism is minimally the position that the ultimate cause of everything that contingently exists is an agent cause. God is minimally the ultimate agent cause of everything that contingently exists. Mormons don’t believe any creator of the whole process exists. They only believe there is this infinite regress of finite evolving entities including their Heavenly Father, which is the opposite of theism. Traditional theists believe that all explanations end with a volitional being such as God. Atheists believe that all explanations end in non-volitional causes. Mormon theology is a hybrid belief system that asserts that some explanations end in God and some do not. Because of these beliefs, members of the Mormon church are in a good position to resolve many contentions between atheism and traditional theism.
@@kforcer Its not atheism. Dude is grifting hard.
@@kforcer i think thats probably what he means, that if they are just like God in that sense and are going to go through the same journey, then where is the different being "God" like other christians understand Him. A being like no other.
@ Here’s maybe the best way I can describe it. Theism is minimally the position that the ultimate cause of everything that contingently exists is an agent cause. God is minimally the ultimate agent cause of everything that contingently exists. Mormons don’t believe any creator of the whole process exists. They only believe there is this infinite regress of finite evolving entities including their Heavenly Father, which is the opposite of theism.
Traditional theists believe that all explanations end with a volitional being such as God. Atheists believe that all explanations end in non-volitional causes. Mormon theology is a hybrid belief system that asserts that some explanations end in God and some do not. Because of these beliefs, members of the Mormon church are in a good position to resolve many contentions between atheism and traditional theism.
The first time I saw the great Isaiah scroll in the Israel museum I cried. Because I can read it and mostly understand it as a Hebrew speaker (ancient Hebrew has some grammatical differences from modern). It was so moving to see this living example of the preservation of the word of God
Isaiah is a huge book, if that's the only problems, that's amazing....all Glory to God
Exactly. They are removing dust with a toothbrush and they expect the mountain to crumble because of it.
Praise the Lord 🙌🏾
hyprocrites christians clout chasers went after billy
Another Mormon facet that is fascinating.... is the Joseph Smith translation of Isaiah is actually completely refuted by the great Isaiah scroll... And the age also undermines a common belief thrown out that the Christians tainted the old testament to make it line up to their view of things.
Thats right. As a former Mormon now Christian, I was reading through the Joseph Smith translation when I found out about the great Isaiah scroll. This dealt a big blow to my faith when I found out that nothing he added to the Bible has ever been found in any manuscript ever. The man truly is a conman.
@@jasonbonnell786 Welcome to the family brother!
@@jasonbonnell786 God Bless you brother.
JST is more clarification of doctrin then as a translation. n@@jasonbonnell786
For all of you who critique Dan for being a member of the LDS church, he also strongly critiques the book of Mormon and the church's claims about his historicity, did any of you know this?
Westley did a phenomenal job guided by the spirit. He’s not perfect and admits it all the time. This is Ephesians 6:12 in action. The devil is roaming
Well, in that case, you can say the same about Billy
@@yaboybecool85 I mean Billy is directly against god so I don’t think you can apply that verse to him 😂 and I don’t even know the verse to be able to say that 🤣
@@yaboybecool85 No, Billy outright lied about the "Sinai bible" saying Jesus wasn't crucified. He lied when he said he misspoke and meant The Gospel of Barnabas. He is on records saying that many times about the "Sinai Bible".
Ephesians 6:12 KJV
[12] For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
hyprocrites christians clout chasers went after billy
I did not know Dan is a Mormon that would explain why the obsession.
Latter-day Saint (Mormon) here. Dan is smart but he literally espouses talking points of the Anti-Christ figure Korihor from the Book of Mormon, namely that religion is invented to control and oppress. He does not represent the typical LDS member
Can some please do this:
1- take dans published works and transcribe them
2- add 60-70% spelling and punctuation errors/differences throughout as well as some added sentences
3- publish under your name
4- when he takes you to court use his video as exhibit A that he doesn’t actually believe it’s the exact same thing.
Brilliant!
😂😂😂
Gentlemen! Get this comment to the top!
So true.
@adamborsay7227 😂
Ask Dan where the Golden Plates are.
Aren't they up on TrustMeBretheren Mt? Or are they somewhere in one of the ancient "Mormon empires" in South America?
@stratmatt22 Best comment! hahaha 🔥🔥🔥
Ask Dan to compare the King Follet Discourse to Isaiah 43.10,11
I don't say that to belittle.
I grieve over the LDS. I love them. They are deeply DECIEVED. The cognitive dissonance is powerful. Brilliant people can fail to see through the lies.
I pray for their deliverance to the true Christ!
Lmao 😂😂😂😂😂
haha also Dan should explain the geography of the wars between the Nephites and Lamanites and if theres any archeological evidence of these wars and the precise location of Nephi, Bountiful etc
Dan is the go to “scholar” for those who hate the Christian faith and are looking for an “expert” to confirm their hatred. His whole shtick could be summarised as “in the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king”.
This is exactly right. The amount of atheist and agnostics who follow him is astounding. He’s also a mentor to the false TikTok teacher Brandan Robertson.
Ruslan, my prayers are with you. I lost my mom unexpectedly on December 14th. I've now lost my father, mother, and sister. I've been in this weird grief thing before. Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. I'm sorry to hear about your niece. I can't imagine how anyone goes through losing someone without having Jesus in their life. I'm writing you on this video because your comments are off. I wanted to let you know one of your listeners and brothers in Christ is going through the same weird, painful mourning.
The biggest error I caught was when he stated 400 of the brethren were appeared to by Christ after the disciples, when it was actually 500.
400 or 500 , I think what matters most is there are more than 12 people who saw the resurrection..
@pabloiskobar777 Exactly. As this video is pointing out, all the skeptics are able to do with their rebuttals to Wes is nitpick about spelling differences or other nonsense irrelevant to the perfectly preserved theology of the Word. Because Wes' claims are all solid where it matters.
I noticed that and also Wes said a donkey falls into a ditch not a sheep, but we all make slip of the tongues when we speak in real time and not verbatim from a piece of paper. At my church all the sermons are typed word for word and read out not freestyle, I prefer freestyle personally because it is inspired more and shows that the preacher is preaching from heart knowledge and revelation not just reading off a sheet.
@JasonNapalm72 Yes, the memory can play tricks sometimes. He was probably blending together with this verse where Jesus was essentially making the same point:
Luke 13:15 Then the Lord answered him, “You hypocrites! Does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or his donkey from the manger and lead it away to water it?
for me it was "Peter of Cana"
Actually you hear Wes say "well almost" under his breath near the end of that part. You can tell he got a bit excited but still knew it was close
It cracked me up that every time Joe Rogan would say something Wes disagreed with, Wes would make a non-committal "mmmm" sound.
Had to expect this, they probably feel attacked since both Joe and Wes openly talk negatively about Mormonism. Thankfully Mormonism is so far from the truth we dont have to worry too much.
Is Dan Mormon?
Funny that while "mainstream Christians" continue to hemorrhage membership, Christ's true Church continues to grow as it should
Wait a sec... is this channel?
Dr. Richard Elliot Friedman, my fav. OT scholar and one of the most important modern ones, back when he was teaching would say, "Isaiah B is word-for-word the same," regularly. So far as I know, he was never lynched for this.
I find it funny how you show the screen disliking the video of Dan Mclellan hahaha
Wes did a good job on Joe Rogan. The video deserves the down vote
LOL I didn’t see that until I read this comment 😂
Thank you for pointing it out 😂
Dan already got Called out By InspiringPhilosophy a few months ago
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I bet Dan went over the 3 hours podcast with a fine toothcomb looking for something to nitpick over.
That’s exactly what he did
Word for word is never gonna be always translated, but the message is always the same! Jesus!
Yes Wes Huff made a mistake, he said Paul said it was 400 people when it was 500, but we aint all perfect could it be mind blank or slip of the tongue maybe.
Being on Joe Rogan I think he did a good job. In three hours conversation I would have likely done worst.
Also 400 is part of 500 so it's inaccurate but not deceptive. If he'd said 5000 that would an issue.
I caught that when he said it, but I knew it wasn’t that big a deal.
I thought about this some more and the chance that it was exactly 500 is basically zero. It was more than likely give or take ten or twenty on either side of that.
I noticed that he makes a lot of silly mistakes like that when he speaks. He even did it during the Billy Carson debate, he kept saying masculine plural when he meant to say masculine singular pronoun, but he corrected himself after doing it several times. I've noticed that sometimes he corrects himself and sometimes he doesn't, probably because he doesn't realize he did it. I think this might be a side effect of just trying to cram so much knowledge into your brain. Where you suddenly just start to sort of jump over the simple details in your mind.
Dan is an LDS "scholar" and shouldn't be taken seriously. Hope this helps
I feel like LDS and scholar don't fit into the same sentence
He denies Jesus divinity therefore he is an anti-christ (Christ denier)
He is a biblical scholar. That’s what he studied…probably knows more then you.
He should debate Wes then, we know what happened to the last guy
Inspiring philosophy got blocked by him 😂
That’s the only reason he made this pointless video. He needs to siphon some of that Wes attention.
He will never!
I think debating billy carson was a test from God, wes passed and was chosen to go on jre
Both of them said they don’t take debates. Wes did it one time and has recently said he won’t be accepting anymore
I mean, how many of us could talk for 3 hours without making any mistakes?
“Some of these people have unresolved issues with their fundamentalist parents” is spot on I think
Dan is simply the living version of the "Ackchyually" meme
Dan Maklelan isn't a Christian. I simply do not care what he says.
I think he's worth listening to. He views the bible as a historical prooftext.
@@ioris8363 But not wholesale
@@danieldeweerd6752 I have learned a lot from Dan. I can only wish more believers could learn how to engage with his content without getting triggered so easily.
You learn when you look at life as a whole.
@@melodygnhe’s wrong in most of his takes. His objective is to poke holes at Christianity to lead people away from it. He absolutely hates the God of the Bible.
Its like when someone say "theyre literally starving"
No they arent .... Obviously... But you get the message that they are EXTREMELY hungry,
I would LOVE to see Wes debate Dan. Dan has to be one of the most dishonest scholars of all time. The reason he gets people is he mostly presents the data accurately, but interprets the data through the lens and with the same presuppositions as a liberal, atheistic, strict materialist scholar would. And the craziest part is he’s a Mormon! One thing is for sure he will never bring an ounce of the scrutiny he brings for the Christian texts to the Book of Mormon or the claims of Joseph Smith.
I've watched a lot of Dan out of fascination because he's a highly qualified scholar who uses his training to argue that new testament is meaningless. 90% of his content is about how most Christians believe in falsehoods about the bible, while he holds a materialist position that truth is...more or less socially constructed. Conveniently, this leads to the conclusion that bible either aligns with every cultural development in the last 10 years, or has no guidance on any specific moral issue at all. Watching him jump through mental hoops is a great reminder of how intelligence doesn't always make you right, but it does makes you better at rationalizing your way to an existing conclusion.
I dealt with Dan many times on TIKTOK, as have other people. I don't have a PHd but I have a masters in Biblical studies and research heavily. He consistently twists the text, I have caught him straight lying about the Greek and language in multiple places. When people even in a non-confrontational way demonstrate Dan is incorrect multiple times he blocks them.
@@puck2113 Thanks for doing that! Keep up the good work. People need to see the truth in comment sections!
@ I was one he blocked🤣🤣🤣
Exactly. This is why he blocked inspired philosophy
@@dhowa862 yeah Mike and I were talking back and forth during that time. As well as Luke voice of reason Casie he was putting some good stuff out there as well. Dan doesn’t care about truth
He should do the same thing with the transmission of the Mormon texts.
Do they have original manuscripts from Joseph Smith ?
@@jelly7310 I think somebody stole the originals so he had to start again but he couldn't faithfully reproduce them (because it was all bogus) so he made up another version.
@@jelly7310 weren't the original manuscripts on the golden tablets that the Angel Moroni gave him to translate which disappeared.
@@jelly7310no , they did not exist.🤣
I don’t think he’s Mormon anymore
The Great Isaiah Scroll aligns with the Masoretic Text in over 95% of the content.
He's nitpicking to be smart.
The point Wes was making was how well the core message has been preserved.
2:46 felt like an episode of Dora the Explorer 😂😂😂
It doesn't surprise me that the mormon is upset about the podcast, when mormons caught some smoke during the episode.
Dan has been quite sneaky in the way he’s making a name for himself. Hiding his own beliefs but nit picking others. Great video Ruslan.
Missing the FOREST from a few “minor” trees
They’re looking for the “I got ya” moment for whatever reason
A the 'ex-mormon' sometimes you can pull the person out of mormonism but not the mormonism out of a person
Thanks for sharing 🙏🏿
Prayers going out for Dan and Wes 🕊️
His grace and mercy be upon you all and your loved ones 🕊️🥛🍯
Joe also admitted to watching 20+ hours of Wes’s content. Wes has done a lengthy video explaining how most different manuscripts he’s studied have variants such as spelling inconsistencies and line omissions but overall doesn’t change the message of the article.
Dan should debate Sam Shamoun.
Lol.
That would make me so happy
that mormon pagan will not even look Shamoun in the eyes
Shamoun would have him balling
Sam's a bully.
He always looks stupid in a organized debate.
@shadowknightgladstay4856 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
In fairness to Dan, Wes did say "word for word" Joe said "word for word?" And wes replied "word for word." To which Joe responded "wooooow"
It was a huge deal to Joe that Wes said "word for word." So Dan's critique is fair. When i heard Wes' response i was shocked and thought there was something I didnt know. Turns out it was hyperbole.
As a fellow Christian this point is completely missed in this video and in this comment section
Baring in mind the only reason why we know who Wes is is because of him pulling up silly billy for what billy called a misspoke error,
yes we trust that Wes will not go on to repeat this error because it’s not word for word
Hyperbole can kill your point,the fact is incredible,there’s no need for hyperbole
Now the enemy will use it against us
The fact this argument is coming from “only a Mormon “ is moot
Good thing we also trust that all will work for good
It’s interesting that these scholars always come out of the woodwork whenever somebody genuinely humble and full of the spirit of God makes a statement
I wrote a paper on it years ago and Ive heard Dr Dan Wallace talk about the Isaiah copper scroll so i know its not word for word but its essentially the ssme text we hsve todsy. This is an incredible find.
I see what you did
@LegendaryMike what did I do? Lol.
Don't misunderstand..im just a novice compared to someone like.Wes who is a great scholar and did a great Job on the Joe Rogan show!! Although technically the Isaiah scroll isnt "word for word" it's very close. And did take us bsck 1000 years prior to anything we had of the Old Testament at the time.
It's a minor technicality but I'm sure all the critics will amplify any mispeak or mistake Wes may have made being a human being like the rest of us. :)
@@interpretingscripture8068 Ha ha, I think that he was referring to your accidentally introducing some "s" where you meant "a" in your typing, which is a good example of what happened in the copying of Isaiah. A good demonstration. Well done, sir!
@@jacquesalbert8942 Exactly! Even with autocorrect, we humans are bound to make textual mistakes.
@jacquesalbert8942 lol I didn't even notice my own textual errors ha ha 😅
Thanks bro 🙏
The big mistake Wes made was saying 400 witnesses instead of 500, but that’s just a memory lapse.
@@HowToThink-h7e yeah I noticed that too when he said it.
Thank you for sharing this. Didn't know about this. I thought it was words for word.
Greek here and a Christian.
Word for word means exactly that.
When people ask me to help them with the translation of verses of the New Testament to english, I have to do it, word for word. And since Greek is such a deep, multi-leveled language (Hebrew is also like that), with certain words having 2,3,4 different meanings, I have to give all of them.
That's what "word for word" means.
I think that Wes made a mistake, due to his enthusiasm.
Peace.
But mispelling doesn’t take away from it being word for word. Especially if the word means the same in the context… it would’ve been inaccurate if he said letter for letter.
@@tiffanydaniel8996did you miss the part where there’s 19 words missing?
I know very little about all of this but the question at 6:45 is the right one. From what I've been hearing, there were 20 total copies of Isaiah in the same discovered collection of Dead Sea scrolls and the various copies have some or all of those "missing" verses in them. So, same cave, the same collection of the scrolls. So, the document the guy is showing on the screen is only one of those 20 copies.
"word for word" was a bad phrase for Wes to use. Still proud of him though.
No because there are no significant differences. The spelling difference is not worth mentioning
Man…Ruslan was NOT having it today lol
Wes Huff COOKED Billy Carson 🔥
Thanks for checking this dude bro. I'm tired of him
It’s the definition of “I don’t know why you’re hating from outside of the club, you can’t even get in”.
In terms of preservation of a manuscript, how is complete words missing not considered a significant difference? The objective of the preservation of manuscripts is to ensure that what we have today is literally what was written by the gospel writers. The argument of: eh it’s fine if words are missing it’s no big deal; as long as the message is the same it’s okay, works if you concede that the text isn’t completely preserved but the claim that was made by Huff was that it is completely preserved. To say well he didn’t mean completely preserved as in literal complete preservation opens the door to question everything else Huff claimed in the podcast. I think that’s the point these guys are missing here.
Thank you. Finally a reasonable comment. Saying something is “word for word identical” when there are 19 words missing is simply false.
I am a Christian but Wes saying that it's Word for Word identical just isn't true. Even though the differences don't change the message, it's not word for it identical.
Joseph Smith, started a cult period. He’s NOT in the book of Isaiah and it’s time that the LDS Church face the music. There’s plenty of evidence to that,. Another Win for YHWH and Wes brought it out.
Wtf? What do you mean? Why would Joseph Smith need to be mentioned in Isaiah? Was Jesus Christ mentioned in Isaiah? What about John the Revelator? Why would that matter?
@@chidote1howtodoyes Jesus was mentioned in Isaiah lol
@@chidote1howtodoIsaiah 7:14 and Isaiah 53 are just 2 of many
What baffles me is the textual historical criticism biblical text gets. Yet half the historical texts we teach as fact in schools has far less criticism and can’t be tracked near as close to date of the historical event as well as for example the gospels.
Ruslan! Check out rogans newest podcast with Mel Gibson! Mel is telling him about Jesus also!
Ooooo love it
When there is no argument, semantics never fails to create one.
20:09 i read everything he claims "changed the meaning" and absolutely none of them changed the meaning, all of them, when removed, do not change the meaning of the text
I literally watched Dan’s video and commented on it asking him to show me the supposed difference in meanings of the text he brought up. He said it’s all in the video, but didn’t give a specific meaning difference. When I challenged him on that he literally said “Asked and answered. Goodbye.” Lolol
He admits he made mistakes ❤
The clout chasers are out. I knew Dan was going to be all over this 😂
hyprocrites christians clout chasers went after billy
@yyyhhh8481 He was the one bringing up our religion if he didn't want someone to respond he shouldn't be spreading so much misinformation.
Wes Huff was on Rogan for over 3 hours and didn't try to sell a thing! No prayer books, no $500 ticket to a conference.. no extra charge to meet Wes.. what good is being a Christian streamer if you don't know how to grift! Wes has sinned he needs to be saved. Help him Ruslan
What?
targeted forum slide agit prop jesuit comment thread more proof wes huff is controlled opposition
Huh?
Your sarcasm is childish; just saying.
@@TerrapinTales it wouldn't matter if that was true or not. A child can see I'm right about this. Lot of ppl on his own channel seem to agree with me too. It's worse to be grifting believers than to be childish IMO. Jesus loves the little children. Not the salesman in his temple
Really appreciate this breakdown here, particularly the steelmanning and doing your best to actually understand the fellows arguments against Huff and louking at the whole picture and context of his conversation with Rogan. 👌🤙
Dan does openly disagree with a lot of Mormon ideas, especially in regards to special translations Joseph Smith did. I don’t know how he could find his religion. Incredible at all.
Does anyone have a link to Wes’ response that they said he made at 1:41? I can’t find it.
The massive error is there is no sinner greater than another.
If you still sin,
You hath not seen him neither known him.
This is the Word of God.
Repent and believe the truth.
Only the truth can make you free.
Are you seriously trying to convince all the people that come across your comment that you haven't sinned since you came to Christ?
@@shadowcolorado3668 He ascribes to sinless perfectionism, they act just like the Pharisees.
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If you believe the Bible to be true,
Yes. A believer is freed from sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Do you not believe what the Bible says?
@@LibertyinChrist01 Yes, you’re free from the penalty which is death. But to act like you don’t do these things would be a lie.
@LibertyinChrist01 I believe the entire Bible. I also believe you to be drowning in delusional self-righteousness.
What you're really saying is that your life - every word, thought, action, behavior, intention and desire - is as pure and holy as Christ's.
Can some link to where Wes corrects himself?
Thank you for exposing this man
The message has been saved to it truth nothing changed
So they guy is in the mormon cult
“Unresolved issues with their fundamentalist parents…” Ain’t that the absolute truth…
Listen, I am a Christian, I was praying and rooting for Wes, but the minute that Wes said, “word for word” I knew that was a mistake. The problem with that is Joe is going to repeat over and over again for 1000 episodes that “Isiah is the same word for word” and then someone is going to go to Joe and say, “that Christian lied to you!”
This is exactly how our memory works which is why Dan had to eat humble pie as he did the exact same thing in a 8 minute video that he excused Wes of doing. Unless you have a photographic memory you don't remember things in the past exactly as they are like a computer would. As Dan admits it's very possible Wes was not being dishonest since he did the same thing.
When I go back and play some games I loved as a teen I soon realize they weren't as good and fun as I remembered them to be.
Here's a question for you Ruslan- Did YOU look up what the significant differences are? I mean, If you are going to take the time and do an entire podcast about this subject could you not take the time to educate yourself? Such Christian apologist arrogance (and willful ignorance) is par for the course.
Lots of Dan’s opinions make more sense when you realize that he’s Mormon
I could make a book report on things I like and still spell a bunch of things wrong
So it sounds like your concern can be boiled down to the fact that when I said "significant differences," you thought that I meant *theologically* significant differences, rather than textually significant differences. That seems clear to me from your characterization of "significant differences" as "it changes the nature of God or it changes the nature of this orthodox view." As a textual critic, though, I'm very clearly talking about textually significant differences, and yes, the omission of entire verses is textually very significant. I would have imagined you would have realized I wasn't talking about theologically significant differences towards the end of my video when I referred to the inevitable apologetic moving the goalposts to the question of whether or not they affect doctrine, but that didn't seem to register, because all you did was blithely affirm that they didn't instead of realizing that should have been a clue to you that my commentary was about textually significant differences and not theologically significant ones.
I'm happy to extend an olive branch, though. I'm not interested in debates, but I'd be happy to join you on a livestream to discuss my position on this issue so we can both get some clarification, because I think you're operating under some misapprehensions about me, and I'd like some clarity on some of the things you've stated here that I imagine are going to get diluted in a comments section.
If you're not willing to defend your position in a formal setting it's safe to say you're not confident in it.
But they aren’t concerned with textual differences if/when they don’t affect the truth of the Gospel. If your argument is that it DOES, then it would have behooved you to explain that in the video.
So you can make a charge that they overlooked your point, but your textual differences point doesn’t hold any theological water, so it was dismissed out of hand.
Thanks Dan. Yes when I heard “significant differences” I was expecting something like the “suffering servant” Jesus prophecies to be missing (as some of my Jewish friends have alluded to Christian’s adding into Isaiah) I appreciate the olive branch and will reach out on IG
Honestly, I watched the Wes Huff episode of Joe Rogan yesterday, when he said the texts matched word for word, I didn’t even consider he might me using a figure of speech, but I assumed because of his knowledge and expertise that he literally meant “word for word”
I have the mindset of the message, and was like yeah I get what he's saying.
But I can very easily understand the opposite viewpoint.
Yeah that’s what any reasonable person would assume. I totally disagree with Ruslan here. Wes made a false claim by saying they were word for word identical.
@ Rogan even immediately asked, “Word for word?” And Wes said, “Word for word.”
@@joelcampos8795 Rogan even immediately asked, “Word for word?” And Wes said, “Word for word.”
@PastorTed I took it as the message didn't change.
Same thing when you buy electronics, you get instructions, on one side is written English on the other side Spanish or Chinese or Indian, it's word for word the same and also the same message about what to do not to do or handle the device
A Mormon scholar? 😂
Dan went from difference on ALMOST everysingle verse
To : well 90% accurate
Also his MENTOR which he worked with on the deadseascroll also agree the similarity of the scroll and the masoretic text.
If Wes Huff was just some young pastor who took a couple of theological classes, letting his "word for word" comment can be expected to slip out.
But the dude is a textual critic, it's a dough head moment in his training that hopefully he'll never slip up again. The young man still needs a few years.
With that other dude criticizing Wes, I'm having to repent a lot at this moment because I keep on imagining the words, "sucker punch".
I had a fun " debating" Dan on X over his claim that Mosaic sexual law was all about power. In other words, the laws were made so men could justify their power over others. I took the position that it was made to reflect natural law. In the end, he told me to read a bunch of books that agree with him..
Hes doing satans dirty work
I think Dan wants to get a shot at "The Joe Rogan Experience"....but he doesn't convince me with any overwhelming evidence
Dan , ruslan and Billy Carson need to start a new Channel! It would be like the View of RUclips theology Channels 😂😂😂
Dan: "There are significant differences in Isaiah."
Everyone else: "Cool. Can you show us one that are significant and not a few punctuations missing, but actual differences that change the text and meaning?"
Dan: "Trust me bro."
Its called haterism
“I’m gonna debate you because I’m mad at my mom.” 😂
If the KJV was good enough for the apostle Paul it’s good enough for me
The KJV didn't exist in the first century AD.
@josemuniz_ what xD brutha i hate to tell u this, but King James Bible is over a thousand years after Paul died. He wrote part of the New Testament lol
😂😂😂
@@timothytakang5407it was a joke?
The KJV was published in 1611. We actually have older texts now than we did in 1611 like the dead sea scrolls, so the translations we have now are using older manuscripts. The KJV is good, but so are many of the modern translations. Modern translations are also easier to understand because they use modern language. Many words have completely changed meaning in the past 400 years, so the NKJV is probably better for general reading.
If Wes made a claim that wasn't true, he should absolutely be called out. We shouldn't ever be exaggerating things because it ultimatley makes us look bad when someone corrects us.
Shocking news flash. As Christians we're not attempting to claim what Muslims pretend to claim, in that there's 100% accuracy. When Wes Huff said "they're the same" I immediately knew he meant "they're very similar".
God Logic podcasts clears up all the Islamic issues doesn’t it?
Wes huff is clearly anointed. Don't mess with him.
IP sent dan running too
lol, it’s because when you’re arguing with somebody that thinks the world is flat you kind of just give up because they don’t play by the same rules on facts. I love a lot of IP’s content, but he’s no scholar for sure. But he doesn’t have to be he’s not operating in the critical scholar atmosphere.
@z8urducks lol if you think dan won that, I don't know what to tell you. Good luck with that.
@@Deckardcutspace “Won” you don’t see the problem with that thinking. 🤦♂️
Yo, maybe Dan was rocking out to School House Rock “Conjunction junction what’s your function!”