Grumman Tiger - The FASTEST Fixed GEAR Plane in the SKIES??
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
- Join Michael for an in-depth walkaround tour of the AA5B Grumman Tiger. The fixed gear plane that is faster than many retractables!
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02:50 - Fuselage
03:39 - Undercarriage
03:58 - Interior
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A well-designed and built airplane and wow, what a great panel on board...
In transition to a T210, I flew the Tiger for a little over 100 hours when I lived in Naperville, IL. I rented the Tiger at Clow Airport (Bolingbrook, IL) and flew to Flushing, MI many times. What was normally a 5 1/2 hr. drive was an hour and 40 minute flight. After departing Clow, I flew directly from a point just North of Midway Airport (before GPS availability) toward Benton Harbor, MI, roughly 60 miles across the water. At 7,500 feet I could reach land at any point enroute. With no wind I would cruise 160 mph. One day flying East, my DME read 196. The Tiger is very fast for a fixed gear/prop plane. It's responsive and can carry a load along with full fuel. It's comfortable and airy for every passenger. It's absolutely a "must look" if you're in the market for a Cessna 182 type airplane. The ownership cost of the Tiger will impress you too. That 180hp Lycoming engine is bullet-proof and makes TBO with ease. Great fuel economy. If you need to lose altitude in a hurry, the Tiger is a "stone" in a side-slip, but very controllable. I can't say enough good, and never found anything bad about her. Even the castering nose wheel was a delight on the ramp. Best Benefit ... The sliding canopy. That feature is loved by "everybody". Amazing ventilation on a hot day while in taxi. GOOD FLYING EVERYBODY ...
Very nice. Thanks for sharing! :)
Clow Int'l! Great airport. Did some of my early flying there in the '70's. In the '80's I spent a lot of time in the Tiger flyingh checks around NC. Lots of NDB approaches. Loved flying low with the canopy open and arm hanging out. Good times.
The wonderful Tiger is one of my favourites. Great view from the cockpit and fantastic performance.
Agreed! Great little plane. I’d own one in a heartbeat
I flew one of these in the Southern cross air race many moons ago, and in a leg we where making up time we passed a new Piper arrow. The arrow owner actively sort me out that night, he couldn't believe it.
Hahaha I’d believe that! Good on you. Grummans are great
Loved the Tiger. Flew many hours in it, about 50% providing instrument dual. Liked it’s stability- it’ll go where you pointed it. Like a miniature fighter. Sweet and challenging to many students accustomed to the good Cessna birds.
Right on! Great aircraft 👌
Hey guys, if you're interested in buying this gorgeous Grumman, I've added a link in the description. - Ash
Great to see Deadstick back in action!
Heck yeah!
Neat little airplane. I always liked many of the design features of the Tiger. Especially the main spar that’s also the fuel tank. Really smart stuff.
Agreed. Great little plane. Thanks for watching and commenting :)
I used to flight plan this type @ 130 knots it was a great airplane mine was just before the gulfstream acquisition!
130kts! That’s not bad for a fixed gear 😎
There are guys touching 150 knots in the Tiger. They are fast but incredibly easy to fly and have really no bad habits... @@DeadstickAdventures
Awesome you’re back, I was wondering what happened to you, thanks for the explanation on the long hiatus.
Congratulations Michael on your CPL and Instructor rating, so hope this means a lot more content and possibly more fly aways around SA🤔😊👍
Thanks for sticking with us! Yep we’ve definitely got some good stuff in the pipeline.
Good stuff!
Glad you enjoyed it!
A few years ago ( ok may have been many years ago) learnt to fly in the two seater trainer version, then the cheetah before flying the tiger, great fun aircraft. Did get stuck in one at Adelaide Airport one day which saw us having to call the tower to get someone to come to the plane and unlatch the canopy so we could get out. The inside gets hot fast sitting on the tarmac at Adelaide 😂
Haha I’ve heard of people getting stuck inside. Not a place I’d want to be in the heat! That’s a little embarrassing 😂
@@DeadstickAdventures it very ‘embarrassing, took a few minutes to decide to make the call but it was that or cook 🤣
Yep, many OWNERS don't even realize there is an emergency unlock latch next to the big unlatch handle. Push on the little tab then unlatch the main canopy as normal.
I would say the Cessna TTX is probably the fastest fixed gear single.
I would like to see you review the Jabiru 230. The cockpit layout is quite interesting ( Deathtrap like) even more interesting than the Grumman. I flew a Grumman Travel ler, and a Tiger was impressed with the spped and agility of both aircraft
Good idea! We have access to some Jabirus so we will definitely make a video.
I think these were briefly brought back in the mid 2000’s and equipped with a G1000
Oh wow really? That would’ve been awesome!
Yes, that version was build by American General and was redesignated as the AG-5B. It was heavier (and slower) than an earlier Tiger since it had heavier systems, fatter yoke and a quadrant-style Throttle and Mixture control.
No G1000. AG5B we’re made in small numbers in the 90s and smaller number in early 2000s. Still good birds and changed to 24v, but I’ve heard there’s a few drawbacks too.
I have an AG5B and I really like the quadrant-style controls like Piper vs Cessna. I love the yokes as it gives it a real solid feel. One disadvantage was the induction system. They moved the carb intake in a low pressure area so it does not produce the same power in cruise but I purchased an STC that allows a K&N air filter with a big NACA scoop. I now cruise 132 knots with NO wheel pants. I'm looking to reach 140 knots with no additional engine work. I owned a 172 but put it for sale the day after I flew the Tiger. Never looked back... @@shockwave538
AG5-B. they were slighly slower but big stronger wings. Up to 2008. Only a few built. Recession of the era killed the production.
So then you could climb out with the canopy open, like in an F3F (?)
Technically it shouldn't be opened more than about 4 inches in flight, but yeah I guess you could haha
Yes you can fly partially open to the placard under Va, about 6”. Great on hotter or slower flights. If you’re steady climbing yes, but not on initial takeoff or final approach due to it reducing initial climb or go around performance.
Loved my time flying the Tiger, but the Cirrus SR20/22, Diamond DA-40, Vans RV-10 are all much faster.
Very true. The tiger was fast when it was released in the 70s but these modern aircraft are much faster
Not too many retractables this could beat, maybe a 180 hp arrow. I’ve flown a 200 hp arrow and it would do 140 knots, My Mooney will do 150 knots with a 180 hp engine although I flight plan for 145. Grummans are nice planes though. I considered them when I was looking for a plane.
Yeah you’re correct. I’d expect it could potentially also keep up with a 172RG and perhaps a Beechcraft Sierra.
@@DeadstickAdventures I hadn’t thought of those two, you are right, those would likely be slower than a tiger.
True, but in the Tiger you’re not dealing with weight, maintenance, and insurance of a retractable. And for fixed, you’re hard pressed to get more bang for your buck. Practical, economical, very fun to fly, and you can’t beat the sliding canopy!
@@shockwave538 Yes, certainly some benefits with the Tiger ,but I think I would miss putting the gear up after takeoff. Also fuel economy on my Mooney is awesome, 145 knots at 8.5 gallons per hour is great.
I absolutely love my 1976 AA-5A Cheetah, put in a rebuilt engine STC'd up to 160hp (stock was 150) and a cruise prop. I can keep up with a stock Tiger on 20 less horsepower and 2 gallons per hour less fuel burn! Hop over to my channel to see some flights around Houston,TX in it! 🙂
I’ll absolutely check it out! Sounds like a fun little plane :)
You mean you can "almost" keep up with a stock Tiger. 😉
@@fiat5001963 No, really - actually (slowly) passed one and kept up with another side-by-side. True that they were not "new" or "fresh" Tigers but nonetheless, I'll take the points 😀
What's your channel? Would like to check your videos.
The AA5B was not designed by Grumman.
It shares zero lineage with Grumman designers whatsoever.
The pedigree was a home made flying trailer called the Bede 1.
The Tiger's only weak spot is its anemic rate of climb.
This one has a climb prop. Unfortunately top speed is 10kts less than it could be but it climbs like a homesick angel!
Depends on the prop. Mine climbed like a scalded cat.
I’m sure you know this but there is many many planes faster than that machine ie. extra’s, Mx aircraft, gamebird, piper Saratoga, cirrus sr22….
Of course, there are many that are a lot faster. This just seemed a fitting title!
All those airplanes listed have higher operating costs as well.
When you look at purchase, maintenance, fuel, and insurance it’s the best package. I can go 135+ kts, have 950# useful load, and burn under 10 gph. Fairly low maintenance and insurance too.
Yes, others may be faster, but there is no other fixed gear, fixed pitch aeroplane that can do that economy and performance. Grummans are about the best bang for buck you can get.
Sure there are faster airplanes, like the SR71 but you have to compare apples with apples. This is the fastest fixed gear, fixed prop, 180hp certified single. Let's also add that none of those other aircrafts have the handing qualities of the Tiger.