How REAL Is SEC BIAS In College Football?
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Hand up. I read the wrong stat on how many players the SEC had drafted. The point being made that the SEC has dominated recent drafts remains intact. We will watch the tape and learn from this rep.
It's all good. The only people that don't get, don't want to get it.
Yes there is bias but it’s like the Jimmy Johnson quote when he coached the cowboys. Treat everyone the same,differently. Rookie got cut for falling asleep during film but with aikman he just nudge him to get up. In this case the SEC is Troy aikman and everyone else is role players or less
SEC Bias was terrible in the mid to late 2000s with the BCS. The Pete Carroll USC teams got hosed on several occasions near the end of their dominance and would certainly have beat several of those SEC teams that got into the championship games during those years.
Does the SEC get the most national attention? Yes, and they’ve earned it. Look at all sports such as basketball, baseball, track, gymnastics, etc., and the SEC is well represented as well. But when we look at individual schools, the SEC has nothing on Ohio State, Texas, Oregon, and ……….Notre Dame in terms of being fawned over.
It's all about the South Baby ❤❤
SEC bias is very real٫ even just among SEC schools
Its not bias if we are just better than you. Even teams with great stats in weak conferences get exposed as lesser when playing SEC teams. Everyone is picking Iowa to beat UT in the citrus bowl bc their defense was suppose to be good... Exposed. Hell Tennessee scored more on that team than the "national champions" Michigan.
If other conferences want more coverage then support your conferences and produce people who cover your school and put them on the internet. I don't want to know if Ohio st,psu,Michigan, ect are doing in anything. We in the sec don't care. Produce your own programs and leave the sec alone 😅
So true they want all of these southern podcasters to cover teams on the west coast and in the big 10
💯% real. The SEC is being considered the toughest conference because they have the most National Championships, in the CFP era. But it's only been Georgia and Alabama who have been dominant. And LSU is the only team in the SEC to make the playoffs. Every other team in the SEC has been struggling against all the other conferences. And Alabama and Georgia have been dominant over every team in college football so make it make sense.
The SEC has been regarded as the toughest college football conference since the late 1980s because of the amount of quality teams and quality talent during that time.
Im curious, what's the eligibility GPA requirements for student athletes in the SEC compared to the BIG10?
Yes there is a bias but it is very much deserved.
All this talk about FSU well if FSU really wanted to prove they deserved to be in the playoff then they should have beat Georgia they did the opposite they got skull drug by Georgia I know everyone says they didn't want to be there excuse loseing a bowl game is excusable but losing a bowl game like that nope no excuse for embarrassing yourself like that
Look at NFL draft picks by conference over the last 5 years. Look at national champions by conference since 2000. No one is even close. Hate to break it to y’all.
Tell them to quit padding their numbers and play 9 conference games
We did in 2020 all sec games and still won a national championship
In due time grasshopper. In due time.
The sec still has a tougher strength of schedule with 8
@LexicalNoScope still padding the numbers. Over a 5 year period, that will be 40 more losses for sec teams.
@@mikef3896 why would the sec need to add another conference game when they already have the toughest strength of schedule
Ig the NFL has SEC bias bc the SEC has the most draft picks again.. lmao
Yes SEC bias is real Florida baseball team this year got in to the ncaa tournament with a record of 31-29 it does not make sense when there we a lot better f team with better records that could’ve had the opportunity over Florida, but they are SEC so they get the chance
SEC dominance includes weak Vanderbilt South Carolina Missy St Ole Missy Arkansas Florida Kentucky Missouri Auburn Texas A&M average to below average SEC schools with limited to zero National Titles since 1998
Sooo real. It is hard to not be bias when you remove the top 5 teams in the SEC and they still put in as many players in the NFL as the B12. A fact from Pate.
Notre Dame's toughest game this year is an SEC team that won't even be top 20. Hold my beer.
Nailed it my partner. How bout this. Since start of BCS era Take away the top 3 SEC winners and SEC still has more titles than any other conference. Top 3 would be bama, LSU and uga or gators. They both have 3. There's vols and war eagle left. Their 2 combined with either uga/fl 2 gives SEC 4. Is there another conference with that many total I think not.
But how many of them are actually good in the NFL? Cuz id argue more positive media exposure obviously increases your odds of getting selected for the NFL.
Is Tua clearly a better QB than Josh Allen?
@@FredPitre-o4b Anytime you include the BCS - youre gonna take a FAT L. That post season system literally got sued by the US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TWICE for corruption and anti-trust, and yet here you are using it as clear evidence of fair superior competition?
Lets go down the list here:
- 1998 - Undefeated Tulane didnt play for a title, but one loss FSU did (in fact they magically missed a BCS bowl entirely)
- 1999 - both teams made it were undefeated, but undefeated Marshall didnt play for a title (in fact they magically missed a BCS bowl entirely)
- 2000 - FSU literally lost to Miami in the season, Miami finished with the same record, but magically didnt make the championship game.
- 2001 - HOTTEST OF BS SEASON - Tbh I dont see anyone beating Miami, BUT Nebraska got waxed by #4 CU 62-24 - yet this game magically didnt matter, PLUS #3 Oregon won the PAC, and didnt move over Nebraska, despite Nebraska losing.
- 2002 - Rare legitimate selection...... (only 2 undefeated teams)
- 2003 - HOTTEST OF BS SEASON - 1. USC literally outranked both of the teams that played in the championship game. 2. OU got waxed by #10 KSU 35-7 in the B12 title game - yet this game magically didnt matter.
- 2004 - HOTTEST OF BS SEASON - Imo i think USC wins no matter what, but 6 Teams went undefeated - this is an obvious contestable season.
- 2005 - Rare legitimate selection (only 2 undefeated teams)
- 2006 - UF lost a game, Boise State went undefeated but didnt play for a title (also the rankings of SEC teams this year are extremely sus af - like how LSU ranked #3 in the country but finished 4th in the SEC)
- 2007 - TOTAL CRAPSHOOT - 7 of the top 8 teams finished with the same record. Kansas had the only one loss record besides Ohio State - they didnt even make the top 5. Georgia was the highest ranked SEC team, but LSU made the title game. 5 different teams have legit claims for this season.
- 2008 - HOTTEST OF BS SEASON -
1. Of the two teams that actually went undefeated - NEITHER played in the title game. Utah went undefeated with 5 Top 25 wins - this magically wasnt even good enough for the top 5 somehow (meanwhile 11-1 Bama beat 2 Top 25 teams and opponents combined for a 70-79 record and were ranked #3 in the nation somehow); BSU went undefeated for 3rd time in 5 seasons and had higher ranked wins than Bama - they magically didnt even make a BCS Bowl game
2. Texas beat OU, but due to a round robin in the B12 a coin toss decided selection for the B12 championship game. Also a round robin existed in the Pac10.
3. SEC rankings as sus af this season - namely in the absolute bs that was Alabama's schedule; and the overrated nonsense of Georgia (literally beat ZERO ranked teams til bowls - yet stayed in the Top 15 the entire year).
- 2009 - HOTTEST OF BS SEASON - 1. 5 teams went undefeated, like 04 with this many undefeated teams multiple teams have a claim. FFS Boise State went undefeated in BACK TO BACK seasons and the 4th time in 6 years - they were the only other team than Bama to beat 2 Top 10 teams, ranked #1 in offense - and yet magically didnt even make the Top 5.
2. The P5 vs G5 rankings are total garbage this season - take your pick (TCU beat more ranked teams, higher ranked teams, beat all teams by a higher margin, beat all ranked teams by a higher margin, had a higher SOS, the MWC went 4-2 in OOC vs the B12, had a higher ranked offense and higher ranked defense than Texas - so how tf did UT outrank them?) (Boise State had the same number of ranked wins, much higher ranked wins, much larger MOV on ranked teams, much larger MOV on the season, better offense, better defense, and 2 common opponents with UC - and outscored these opponents 103-24 vs 65-34 - so how tf did UC outrank BSU?) (UF beat ZERO ranked teams til bowls and finsihed 11-1 2nd in the SEC, yet outranked BSU who had more ranked wins, higher ranked wins, higher MOV and better offense)
- 2010 - THE MOST BS SEASON OF ALL TIME - and its not even close..... Here are just some facts of this season:
- Boise State entered this season on a 25 game win streak.
- TCU had gone 23-3 the previous two years and finished in the Top 7 both times
- Week 1 rankings - #3 Boise State, #4 TCU, #6 Oregon, #21 Auburn
- Oregon jumped TCU in week 4 - that week Oregon beat ASU 42-31; TCU beat SMU 41-14. TCU already had 1 Top 25 win. - Imagine dropping in the rankings for beating a team by 27, and that the team that is jumping you beat a team of equal strength (SMU went 7-7, ASU went 6-6) by only 11.
- Oregon jumped Boise State in Week 5 - that week Oregon beat #9 Stanford 52-31 at home; Boise State beat New Mexico State 59-0; BSU already had 2 Top 25 wins. - Imagine dropping the rankings when you beat a team by nearly 60 points, and then imagine that the team that is jumping you is a team you beat in back to back seasons 63-39. (*Also remember this stanford game for later.....)
- Auburn jumped TCU in week 9 - that week Auburn beat (4-8) Ole Miss 51-31. TCU beat (2-11) UNLV 48-0. Imagine dropping in the rankings because you shutout a team 48-0, and yet have to watch the team that jumped you give up 30+ to a 4-8 team (also TCU never gave up 30 points in any game the entire season).
- Auburn jumped Boise State in week 10 - that week Auburn beat FCS Chatanooga 62-24. Boise State beat #18 Hawaii 52-7....... THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST NONSENSICAL THINGS IVE EVER SEEN...... Imagine dropping the rankings because an SEC team beating an FCS team is more valuable than a 40 point Top 20 win. Also imagine getting jumped in the rankings after you win 33 CONSECUTIVE GAMES!
- In week 10, Oregon beat (7-6) Washington 53-16 - that same week TCU beat #6 Utah on the road 47-7. Both Oregon and Auburn remained ranked ahead of TCU........ So not only is an FCS win more valuable than a 40 point Top 20 win - it was also more valuable than a 40 point Top 6 road win. And beating a medicore P5 team by 40 is more valuable than Top 6 40 point road win. TELL ME THE SEASON IS RIGGED WITHOUT TELLING ME!
- In Week 11, the SEC and B10 Commissioner wrote published letters to the AP and Harris Polls demanding that under no circumstance should Boise State nor TCU be allowed to played for a championship under any circumstance.
- BSU was jumped BEFORE they ever lost. Prior to BSU losing to Nevada in Week 13 - they won 34 consecutive games, beat 3 Top 25 teams, ranked #1 offense, #2 in defense, and averaged a 42.3 margin of victory per game - no other team in the history of the sport has ever been jumped in the rankings with stats like this EVER.
- TCU went undefeated in back to back seasons, beat 4 Top 25 teams, ranked #4 in offense, ranked #1 in defense and averaged a 31.4 margin of victory on the season and a 28.8 margin of victory vs Top 25 teams. This team did not make a championship game.
- Boise State magically didnt even make a BCS bowl despite outranking 5 teams that did, and literally beat one of the teams that did this season. 8-5 UNRANKED UCONN made a BCS bowl over this team.
- 7 G5 teams finsihed in the Top 25 - 4 of them finished in the Top 15 - 2 of them finished in the Top 10. Only 1 made a BCS bowl.
Believe it or not theres a reason why after this season 12 G5 universities sued the league for fraud and corruption, 4 state governments sued the league for anti-trust, fraud and corruption, the US DOJ opened an anti-trust investigation into the league and the US Senate had an open investigation into the NCAA and BCS for antir-trust, fraud and corruption.
@@MattBuild4 we can cherry pick players all day. I could ask if J Allen is better than Joey B?
There is no “sec bias.” It’s simply been the most dominant conference. Hands down. From national championships, to draft day.
Its problematic when this sport has had so many contestable post seasons........
Also historically there are a ton of really sus rankings of SEC teams - like go back and look at some of the BCS seasons - its atrocious (06 LSU ranked #3 in the country, yet finished 4th in the SEC and beat zero Top 10 teams. #4 USC literally beat #3 Michigan in their bowl game, yet somehow LSU outranked USC).
This can’t even be an argument when the sec has ran most college sports over the past 25 years but it’s the talent level that sets them apart
Helps when you rig the post season to favor your conference. Go back and look at some of the top teams in the SEC from the BCS era - they played some of the hottest of garbage schedules and magically jumped up the rankings no problem.
What SEC team has ran college basketball? Kentucky and Tennessee are the only ones who have even been good, but they choke in the tournament
@@brandonbrock79 read
I guess my biggest issue with SEC bias is the mediocre SEC teams still get favoritism over the better teams in other P5 conferences.
It is crazy how the mediocre SEC teams beat other p5 teams when they play them. We've gotta figure out a way to stop that so we can reduce the bias
um why are teams mediocre? because they play in the SEC doofus
No, the middle of the field SEC teams do not get favoritism over the top other p5 teams unless they played a weak schedule. This issue is the SEC will have a minimum of 4+ teams with great records with mild to tough schedules vs the other conferences with only 2 top teams that are far better than the rest of their own conference and not playing the same level of strength of schedules.
The other teams in the ACC, Big 10, Big 12 just need to step up so they are more competitive with the top two consistent teams we usually see.
SoCarolina is what you'd call mediocre SEC team... look who they play in 2024 - KY, LSU, Ole Miss, Clemson, TxAM, Missouri, Alabama, Oklahoma, along with a few gonna hopefully win like Vandy, Wofford, Akron and Old Dominion..... now, with that schedule even 5 wins is a good year , that's the difference in SEC vs. others
It’s because they played a harder schedule
If you’re mad about “SEC bias”, tell the other conferences to be better. The conference has literally dominated almost every sport in which they participate over the last two decades.
Meh, Its meaningless BS...
hard to do that when teams have seen first hand that no matter what they do an SEC team winning games will always be considered better than another team winning games. Even when the SEC is playing FCS teams.
Relevance, huge enthusiastic fandom, majority of elite athletes, majority of National Championships, large bulk of college revenue brought in, etc. Thats why the SEC is recognized as the best conference in all of college football. They don't play cookie cutter schedules like most of the other teams in other conferences and have more elite teams than any other conferences. And more guys sent into the league than any other conference.
So yes they deserve to give more benefit of the doubt and recognition than any other conference.
"Cookie cutter schedule" Bro, the SEC's out of conference schedule is pathetic. Playing Mercer in the middle of October?? Give me a break
@@tyler-xi8wd Playing BOTH sc and ucla this fall. What's your schools toughest OOC foe?
@@FredPitre-o4b Texas
@@FredPitre-o4b So your OOC schedule is on par with Utah State and Fresno State? Except its actually not, cuz neither of the games are road games...... When can yall grow some balls.
USU plays USC and Utah on the road. Fresno State plays Michigan on the road and UCLA at neutral site.
@@MattBuild4 Do utah state and fresno state PLAY 10 P4 opponents? If not then STFU!!!
What colors do you fly? Want to compare that schedule to mine.
SEC is the best overall.....what else can be said?
i unsubscribe from channels that go exclusively the sec route.
SEC! SEC! SEC! It’s about to get real. As the song says, you ain’t seen nothing yet.
Colorado still isn't relevant
SEC bias is real. According to an April 2024 article in alabama newspaper the Big has had 204 players drafted in the last 2019-2024 (this year added after the draft). SEC has had more but there definitely is bias. This year 8 of the top 10 teams players were drafted from were not in the SEC. The SEC has had several advantages including larger number of teams many of those years in their conference, McDonald’s bags, and others. Those advantages are over. The BIG alone has several teams that have had over 400 players drafted from their schools alone.
The top 10 picks is very and I mean VERY disingenuous
Especially when the SEC had the most draftees that draft
And you even explained why there is no bias yourself:
They get the most drafted
Of the new USC Oregon Washington and UCLA only really Oregon is worth a damn going into next year and even then I don't trust it
The B1G unironically is still a more shallow confrence even after cutting off and adding 3 top 4 Pac 12 teams(Utah was the other one)
The consensus top 10 looks something like:
1. UGA (SEC)
2. Ohio State (B1G)
3. Texas (SEC)
4 Oregon (B1G)
5. Ole Miss (SEC)
6. Alabama (SEC)
7. Mizzou (SEC)
8. Nepo Dame(dont agree but Independant)
9. Florida state (ACC)
10 Utah (Big 12)
5/10 are SEC
Hold on because it gets worse
Lets expand it to 15 rq
11. Penn St (B1G)
12. Ohklahoma(SEC)
13. LSU(SEC)
14. Miami(ACC)
15. Tenessee(SEC)
8/15 are SEC
The bottom 10 of these are generally a toss up but at most the B1G has Wisconsin and Iowa and the SEC has generally Kentucky A&M and Ive seen a Florida or two even if I dont agree with that in the slightest
No there is no SEC bias
They just are better
They won the most baseball and football national titles in the past 20 years of any confrence
@fate8718 purposely leaving Michigan & USC out to fit your narrative is oddly convenient
@tyler-xi8wd Michigan is put at 17 on the consensus and USC is unranked or at 25 on the Consensus
Like it doesnt change shit
The SEC with less teams is still deeper
@@fate8718 Based on what consensus?? Michigan is ranked somewhere between 12 & 8 in most polls. They would most definitely beat half the teams you have on this list
@tyler-xi8wd They lost the entire offense half the defense ANNNNNND their HC
They would lose to anyone ranked above them save for like Miami or Tenessee unless that new qb works out
17 is on that consensus rating from what Ive seen
You prolly just have a lot of B1G bias
Sec bias? How about Texas bias
Who?
That makes no sense when Texas beat bama they deserved to make it Bama didn’t I don’t care if they beat Georgia they lost already fsu didn’t and Texas beat bama
Iam a noles fan and i think the sec is the best conference with the big 10 closing the gap this year but still week in and week out best recruits come out florida least i think
Bias af. Left out Florida state for an undeserving Bama team. Nothing else needs to be said
Exactly
They got it right! And history proves it, instead channeling that anger towards UGA. They decided to quit on their coach and their team. Leaving the rest of their team to get slaughtered by Georgia. That level of temper tantrum or cowardice shows they got what they deserved. Instead of trying to finish the season undefeated and make a statement against UGA, and claim a title like UCF did. They allowed their teammates to be humiliated in a New Years 6 bowl game. And had the nerve to make rings claiming undefeated. That's a weak decision, on top of a weak decision followed by a weak decision.
They were tasked to find the 4 best teams, and they did. I know it stings, but FSU fans are acting just like the players did... weak AF!
@@tremoore61 you sound slow
@@Dre384 Witty rebuttal! I know it's hard to stand up and make excuses for them, so I won't judge you on your elementary school response.
@@tremoore61 you can call it that if you want doesn’t change the fact you’re slow go cry to yo momma or some little boy
if anything it’s big ten bias
Real enough to think Michigan was scared of bama
didnt they beat them>?
And we beat them sooo.....
😂 Michigan man handled Alabama
Very real. I grew up in SEC country a fan of a Big Ten team so I picked up on a lot of biases from both the media and the public at large. I think you guys at On3 are not biased towards the SEC
Wait… so you’re telling me… in the region where college football is the most popular… and where the best players come out of… you noticed more people talking about college football? And their local team? Lmfao
SEC bias? I don't know. I know Alabama is good; 13 national championships since 1960. 10 out of 16 teams (including Texas and OU) have won a national championship since 1960. Until the top dog is dethroned, we will have to deal with it. I look forward to seeing how Texas and OU fare in the league. I expect they will humble most of the middling SEC teams that thrive on the success of the top brands. We shall see.
"13 national championships since 1960" Dude they literally claim titles in years they LOST the championship game and seasons they LOST to other teams literally ranked #1 in the country.
@@MattBuild4 like which seasons?
@@TheMCJ2011
- 1964 - Alabama literally lost to UT. (Arkansas actually went undefeated, and beat UT in winning the SWC).
- 1973 - Alabama literally lost to undefeated ND.
- 1978 - USC literally beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa.
@@MattBuild4 Ah ok. Yeah that’s weird
@@TheMCJ2011 All blue bloods do it, but this is why the whole trope of "most titles = success" - means nothing...... cuz this isnt even the whole list of bs titles Bama claims.....
1945 - This alone means that Bama SHOULD NEVER question any program who claims a title for an undefeated season, cuz 45 Amy is the literal undisputed GOAT of the old era - even modern GOAT teams struggle to compare in what 45 Army did - 7 top 25 wins (literally 78% of the games they played were against Top 20 team); 5 Top 10 wins, 4 Top 5 wins - beat T25 teams 326-42 which includes 60 point shutouts over Top 4 teams. Bama beat 1 ranked team, who lost to a team that Army beat by 50. it aint even f*cking close....
1941 - Alabama finished 3RD in the SEC, yet claims a national title..... They got shutout by Vandy......WHAT THE F&CK....
1934 - Literally tied in the SEC with Tulane.... still claimed a national title.....
1926 - Literally tied with Stanford.
If bama gets credit to claim all this bs in promotion of their schools, wtf drugs is this sport on belittling any university that claims a title for going undefeated or even losing in the national title game.
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While I do think the (general) media and powers that be do have an SEC bias (and a Big Ten bias to a lesser degree), I don’t think J.D. has an SEC bias. Not trying to suck up, it’s just that people like Josh Pate pretend like the SEC is playing a different sport.
SEC bias put two overrated one loss teams in the CFP in Alabama and Texas instead of an undefeated Power 5 conference champion. Michigan and washington had to set the cfb world right again. 🖕🏼 the SEC
How is it Sec bias when Texas isn't in the sec yet? The problem is they wanted to have an Sec champ in but couldn't justify leaving out a team with the same record that beat them. Not sure what makes that sec bias or why either team is overrated.
@@somerandomdude1179you literally just explained sec bias lol they just HAD TO HAVE a sec team that’s literally bias right there and a undefeated team had to suffer because of it
Bowden himself said he didn’t want to play in that SEC gauntlet. That’s full on bias right there.
@@jansonroberts2616 bro shut up that has nothing to do with today bias
@@Dre384 on the contrary, it started back then and has continued throughout the last few decades. Facts.
As a Florida State fan please dont ruin my day with this question
Damn no vandy in the thumb nail? Ouch
I DGAF about who has the better conference I only have one college football team I root for and IDGAF about what the other teams of the conference are doing I DONT CARE IF they are all winless... "Better" conference doesn't mean shit
It does though because your SOS is based on them doing well. If you play an easy ass conference and go undefeated who cares lol if that was the only metric that mattered then you’d have SEC teams wanting to go to the MAC
This year the playoff committee literally excluded an undefeated FSU team to let in a 12-1 Bama team. Yes, there is clear and obvious sec bias.
It was pretty clear fsu was not a playoff team, we're still talking about this shit, guess they should've picked who????
@@stasonsteagall356 they weren’t a playoff team based on what? And don’t say the orange bowl cause all the starters were out and nothing but freshman and sophomores played so I don’t want to hear it.
@donovanjohnson3947 how bout the game before against Louisville I think it was, the whole damn country was praying yall wouldn't get by them, yas fukn offense was like watching paint dry.
@@stasonsteagall356point is they left a undefeated team out just to sneak in a sec team lmaooo there’s no justification for that sorry sec bias is real that’s been proven we get it sec been dominate over the years that don’t make sec bias not real i guarantee if Georgia won fsu would have got in cause they would have already secured a sec team but they had to sneak bama in just to get one
@Dre384 you talking bout the sec championship of last year, that tide team? Yes I understand that yall was unbeaten, that's all you can do ,right? I get it. But yall was far from being one of the best 4 teams. Unfortunately losing the qb made that much difference for yall. Seminoles did manage the rest of the schedule, it's true. But for shit sakes man, do you really think anyone wanted to eat that shit sandwich having to watch fsu play Michigan, Washington, or Texas.
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FSU got jipped? how many good wins did they have? game1 depleted LSU team? in that case we can say Liberty got jipped. CFPc was proven right by bowl results
#12, #19 and #20. But sure, LSU gets to be "depleted" and FSU in the bowl game wasn't...???
@@nathanstruble2177 That was because the FSU players are quitters.
@@nathanstruble2177it wouldn’t have mattered Georgia was the best team in the country even if yall had that quarterback it wouldn’t have mattered Georgia got jipped they came to prove a point and they did
@@daltonbradshaw1391 Georgia was not the best team in the country. If they were they would have beat Bama.
@@donovanjohnson3947 if you don’t watch football just say that