Jeffery Katzenberg thought 2D films were on their way out because Sinbad bombed. Yet marketing played a large part in it's failure. Mainly the poster from what i hear. Hollywood tends to learn the wrong lesson a lot
I would say it's because they live in a bubble, where everyone is patting everyone else in the city on the back, agreeing and nodding like drones. But I think it's more arrogance than anything else. Like most self-absorbed morons with narcissistic tendencies, they couldn't see the err of their ways if it hit them in the nose. And in the immortal words of Yoda... "That is why you fail."
no racist spoiled yte fans are the problem. yall acting sucked over the years. you can't judge anybody. go back and look at the wonder woman series from the 80s. that is some of worst acting i ever seen. you can't hold black people back then expect them to be on par with everyone else. you just looking for an excuse to keep segregating them.
@@Billiepippen No one gives a shit about what's between your legs, the melanin content in your skin, or politics you follow. We are tired of being browbeaten by message that if was what people actually wanted, you wouldn't need a popular IP with an already installed fan base to hear it - you could make something BRAND NEW to push a ideology that everyone would like. We are also tired of historical revision and cannon breaking plot points - that's all. Almost every geek medium was ALWAYS inclusive until ideologs entered and forced people out after they were initially accepted in the first place.
Not matter how much they try hide it, change it, or gaslight it. The truth will always surface, and the truth is that Lucasfilms has been horribly mismanaged, and all can be pointed back at Kathleen Kennedy and toxic culture she rules and promotes
When Nelson Peltz gets rid of Iger he will hopefully bin Kennedy and then cut there losses and sell Lucasfilm to someone that cares and is good at buisness. Sorry that's the only fan fiction I want not Crapalyte.
'Fer sure, and excellent reminder that rising costs coupled with decreasing customers are ultimately unsustainable, no matter the fan 'bias'. Although the 'doubling down' and cynically dismissive 'review bombing' accusations by KK and the 'sisterhood' probably also become inevitable, when *_everything_* becomes less about creating a quality product, than just a matter of 'Ideology', and applying the proper 'Marketing'... aka, _Propaganda._
Also, Andor had diversity, gender, and LGBTQ representation, and NO ONE complained because it was well written and well produced. I'm convinced that KK had nothing to do with Andor......and it shows. The other aspect is that one can see where the money went when watching the show.
Why is everyone saying the writing in the Acolyte is bad? Andor's on a whole other level so it's not really fair to compare ANYTHING to Andor, so I ask: objectively what's wrong with the Acolyte's writing? The dialogue seems fine, story is interesting with some cover-up the Jedi have, characters have clear archetypes except for Osha (who so far is just a vehicle for the viewer), and the pacing is pretty steady aside from the explosive fifth episode. I'm not trying to bait, I just thought I'd ask someone who knows good writing when they see it.
@@Extinctor100I don’t think the characters are all that well defined, and they are poorly introduced. Compare how the characters in the Acolyte are set up compared to others shows. Though it’s not as bad as Ashoka, most of the characters lack good motivation: why do they do what they do? Also a lot of the plot points don’t make sense. The burning of the town, the way the Jedi go about testing people, the whole “murder investigation” thing was laughable. Let alone the fact that they ignore many parts of the SW lore, even if you only count the broad history painted by the movies and live action series. Maintaining continuity within the franchise is an important part of writing. There are also few surprises, it’s like they take the easiest and most obvious resolution to every plot point. The overall story could have been made so much more interesting, with a ready-made excuse as to why this has not come up in previous SE stories. A dark and somewhat shameful episode in the history of the Jedi, that has been kept from the public. We’ve always been shown how the Jedi as an organisation are a force for good with an unwavering integrity. It would have been great to explore hidden weaknesses in that bastion of morality, but no: the series just dumps on them.
@@Extinctor100 Really..... A master Jedi is killed with a butter Knife after toying with her attacker in some Matrix rip off scene??? The Villain walks up to a Jedi and bloviates attack me while dropping into a Kung Fu stance LOL. That is some like junior high girl writing skills. Fire in Space!!!!! Bringing the Bar Keep Witness to meet the accused!! Changing Canon by putting forth Jedi only ignite their light sabers when they are gonna kill, but then breaking that Canon later in show by using light saber as a flashlight. The whole thing is huge mess of subpar writing, acting and direction.
@@ronthecon9772 The writing really does come off as a shit Wattpad fanfiction that some little girl who never read an entire book before would write. I feel secondhand embarrassment when other channels post clips of the show just to goof on it, with line deliveries from the black actress that are so horrid that I need to put the shit on mute. If I were a little kid and my older brother caught me watching something HALF as corny and lame as the Acolyte on my shitty bedroom CRT TV, he would punch me in the arm and call me names out of sheer obligation (though what he actually would have felt is pity, probably).
@@Extinctor100 literally every...single...line of dialogue on the Acolyte is exposition. The characters already know both sides of the conversation, but they have the conversation anyway just for the sake of the audience. The characters don't talk or act like real people.
I think you nailed it. The "re-invention" of Star Wars with SW:TFA and it really lost the "feel" & "soul" of SW. What Andor & Mandalorian got right: characters on a Hero's Journey who make mistakes, make bad choices, suffer consquences, & learn. That's what people identify with. Regular people believing in their dream and going after it with all the ugliness of failure to teach them.
I don’t know if Rotten Tomatoes changed anything after being called out but when accounts with no names are leaving 5 star ratings, you have to question you have to question if the Acolyte’s score should be lower.
RT is basically a Company Shill for the Movie industry now. Professional Reviewers for the MSM propaganda machines are Paid for and bought with $$$ and Swag Bags/Parties. That is why RUclips reviews and Audience scores carry more cache' today than in the Old Market. Hollyweird hates it because now they have lost control of their false truth and their narrative is being ignored by most even as their Shills lie and call us Bigots/Racists on a timed schedule almost.
It sounds like the author fundamentally does not understand that someone could be invested in a mythos; she writes like every individual story is self-contained with no impact on the larger franchise.
She writes like everything is just product and people out to just consume product. Pizza from different places are not interchangeable. Mexican food from different restaurants is not interchangeable. You can't just plug any ol' story into a SW wrapper and get real SW out. It's not interchangeable.
It's unfair for that writer to compare The Acolyte to things like disliked albums. The best comparison I've figured out is the second Highlander movie. It actively changes history and established mythology, while ignoring the many inconsistencies it creates. It thinks that some swordfights are all that is needed for a good movie, and not even good ones at that. And it lost the audience that already existed, while failing to bring in a new audience. That's the level we need to reach out to for a proper comparison.
Evil can't create something new and respected franchise and characters and past and lore . They only ruin and corrupt and disrespect franchise and characters and past and lore.
I have yet to see a time "review bombing" wasn't a cope for creating a garbage product then blaming the audience for not being pigs willing to consume it.
It's just one of their alternate "excuses"... like the coof... blaming streaming... "we trained people not to go to the theater"... "people are tired of superhero movies"... and "people are bigots"... They are just full of "excuses" that aren't even bad reasons, much less good ones.
I want to say in the early days of online reviews, there were some legit campaigns to bomb a show's score. The work/effect ratio was poor, however, so it's not a tool that gets used much.
Sorry to disagree with u & ME about the future; Even if D+ admits their mistake; They have killed, mutilated, & desecrated SW that few to no fans want SW going forward; no matter how much cgi; witch/-jedi - most of us R fed-up with their awful stories n narratives (killing / desecrating of our fav SW heroes etc) Star wars = star waste!!!! 🗑
Remove the sequel trilogy from canon, you still have the issue that our three OG heroes are either already passed away or way too old for these parts and they have blown the opportunity to bring them together for us again. That won't change until CGI is so advanced that we'll be seeing movies with dead actors all over the place.
@@prof_xhew2929 these people are monsters. They are incapable of actually building up anything. They can only tear down something that is loved until it is destroyed.
@@weldsj8847 even then, they won't allow it. Their radical woke ideology doesn't allow anything good or transcendent to be created, only destroyed to spread a political message.
The review bombing I believe is making it clear that Disney as a whole has been rejected by the masses and will continue to be as they can’t apologize and can’t change.
KK does not care, she is losing nothing and the same goes with Bobo, it is not their livelyhoods that suffer it is the studio/company that they are abusing that suffers.
@@Raximus3000 Yes the shareholders are the one's losing $$$$ not those running the company they are probably grifting $$$$ off the ballooned budgets to boot.
@@Raximus3000 no, it's yheir brand. Their studios get paid. I hate the idea that we shouldn't boycott because "oh, the pool guys handling the lights doesn't get paid"
Disney marketing is pretty much at this level. 1985: New Coke launch. Put it in a pink can and tell the gay people to buy it. Everyone complains they don’t like it but label them homophobic.lose billions.
Don't worry you going get a movie where two hairy white men wrestle on the ground and one stabs the other in the "Nuts" with his Adamantium claws. Now if you asked me that sounds totally "Gay" but hey if that's your cup of tea then go for it.
@@conscientiousobjector5988 I follow it. If people don't like something, you accuse them of being bigoted against those the packaging is aimed at while denying it's actually the product inside that's terrible.
@@conscientiousobjector5988 Did you really miss that analogy? It was spot on. People disliked the New Coke and it tanked. SO Coke brought back Coke Classic. Smart Move. Disney on the other Hand Produced a Crappy Version of SW that everyone hates and they don't fix the issue they call us all Bigots and Racists.
Always have to love the excuse of "not every one likes the same show" or something along the lines of it wasn't made for you. Same people that use that excuse also complain when nobody watches their show. It's like they expect you to hate watch their products or something.
Another problem is that while you have a whole galaxy to explore. Since Disney took power, most of the starwars products feel small in scale. No longer do we have the scale of the empire of the original movies or the republic in the prequels. The force awakes is basically a smaller rebellion vs. a smaller empire. The last jedi is basically a slow chase in empty space. And the last movie is a Mcguffin hunt with no sense of space or time. The acolyte is the same with characters teleporting between small towns more in line with a low budget fantasy than with Starwars.
The problem that you have is George Lucas talent was not in writing or story telling. When J.R.R. Tolkien wrote the Lord of the Rings he wrote an encyclopedia first about the world he inhabited called Silmarillion. But that not George Lucas he real talent lay in creating Industrial, Light, and Magic or ILM. So if you are a director and you come to Star Wars there not a lot to work with you have to create most of your stories from scratch.
What Kathleen Kennedy should have done is write a book like the an official book on myth and legends of the Jedi and it's universe and say this now official cannon. With that you have some foundation to work with.
@@HellBot-gi5si Actually as i understand it, there is a lot of foundation in the books that were published, but Kennedy and Co. just did not care to search through them. They could have had their foundation right there, there was like a gazillion comics and books of low and high quality written in the last forty years or so. But they did not care. So it was like with RINGS OF POWER, where the Amazon Power could have sourced far more from Tolkien than they did, because they just did not care and wanted to tell their own stories, which kinda sucks. One also has to point out that the real strength of Star Wars the first trilogy was in the cast they assembled. Lawrance Kasdan wrote Empire strikes back. Lucas´wife was a talented editor. They had a young Harrison Ford as one of the male leads. Nowadays they work with activists, who are not talented, nor do they understand the basics of their craft. They seem to not even CARE about the basics of their craft, lol.
@@HellBot-gi5si That may be true, but given the numerous works in what is now Legends, there was plenty of established background lore to work with which established both the history and force mechanics pretty well and was generally pretty consistent. Disney had a great example in front of them with Jania and Jacen solo for having Han and Leia’s son fall to the dark side and how they get defeated, and instead go with Kylo Ren and his stupidity instead.
@@aaronhardin6439 You need to understand Legends is not cannon. Also, George Lucas doesn't like Legends. However, what has happen it gotten totally personal. Kathleen Kennedy and Dave Filoni has gotten so much criticism that they gave you the Acolyte. Which I hate to say it is a big middle finger to the fans. Bob Iger is going to have to remove Kathleen and most the creative team at Disney just to undo the damage the have created.
Yeah, the author of that piece - like all others - can only beat up a strawman of our actual position. They all claim that we "don't want a single change". However, the audience has proven time and time again that we enjoy things that are new and unexpected. Only if they're good though. Also, where was this author when the criticism of _The_ _Force_ _Awakens_ began bubbling up once people realized it was just a blatant copy of the original Star Wars from 1977? It may have sold well at the time due to the lack of any Star Wars movie for such a long time before it, but most fans quickly grew out of love with TFA once they realized that is was just nostalgia bait. And they were asking loudly for a new and original direction for the rest of the sequel trilogy. Yet somehow, the audience only wants "the same thing" in their dishonest arguments.
The key point: It isn’t just that Disney Star Wars is bad, or different. The problem is that the sequel trilogy and other Disney Star Wars content undermines perverts and destroys what came before.
@@MrJeffcoley1 Very good point. I also think that if their movies and series had been very good, with great stories and interesting characters, they probably would have gotten away with the virtue signaling. In fact, I'll go as far as to say I think Andor and Mandalorian prove that.
In their own way they tried to make it like the Dune trilogy. The hero of the previous story is shown to have clay feet but instead of the son carrying on they brought in the progeny of the antagonist. A long time ago George Lucas said in an interview that the last trilogy would be a melodrama telling how the republic recovered. Seeing that the prequels didn't perform as expected he must have figured that wasn't worth doing. At any rate, like any kind of story it can expand to encompass all the different stories to possibly tell. At that point it becomes repetitive and stale. Star Wars has reached that point, it's stale and Disney has failed miserably to inject it with anything that would reinvigorate it. Really it's time is up.
@@johnphips9290 Oh, I think a straight-ahead, traditional, well written Jedi vs. Sith story would be very successful, especially in the current climate. It wouldn't even matter whether it was a theatrical or streaming release. No, I don't think Star Wars' time is up any more than it would be for a well done Bond film -- and that series has been going since 1962.
You're being unfair. The author of that piece did NOT claim that the audience "don't want a single change". In fact, if anything, she pushed back against that.
RB’ing is such an inaccurate term. Just Disney desperately trying to control the narrative. Simply negative reviews for a horrible series. Disney needs to grow the 🤬 up.
While i don’t dispute a lot of this review bombing was done by angry fans……the problem is that the fans ARE angry. Let’s face it there’s not some billionaire paying for bots to bomb the show scores. This is Star Wars fans giving them the middle finger. You can expect all shows and movies to remain this way moving forward.
Have you seen how many of the 5 star reviews are from new accounts that have never done a review before and are all very short and similar ... What do you call that? No one seems to wanna talk about the many fake positive reviews
I know it doesn't represents Star Wars, but Capcom had a survey on the demographic of the sexes that play their games. I can't remember the exact numbers, but the survey was 80+% male, 10-16% female, and unknown was 4%. I think this is important. Publishers are hiring the female demographic who wants to appease the 4% at the expense of the 80+%
I admit that the representation does not reflect Star Wars. I also know that many of the hiring sections of a company are predominantly female. HR is made of mostly females. Am I, so far, wrong?
@@justinlw2001 Humanity keeps letting me down. I see where it's going. They are having complaints and arguments about anything under the sun except what really matters and and when it comes to what does, they will fail to take appropriate action. They are statistical expressions and rarely more, as if originated from memes themselves. A terrible fate for society.
The deliberate destruction of heroic franchises originated as a reaction to threads on the Stormfront forum over 20 years ago. The messages from that time, and the threads are still shown on the forum..
A wise entertainment business knows that in order to keep their viewers entertained is to give them what they are looking for. When you don't appreciate the viewers/fans and make things they don't like you will ultimately fail.
That...isn't wise, actually. Some of the best TV canceled prematurely while worse gets renewed season after season. Anyway, smart business means creating your own markets. People don't know what they want; they are basing their choices on emotion and familiarity.
@@conscientiousobjector5988 Hate for Disney SW is a great thing..... people should hate subpar vile products and voice their displeasure on such things. And their is nothing wrong with wanting Disney to fail and be replaced with a better Company.
Well said Andre. God Bless you Midnight's Edge. So very well said. It is sad that Disney will never understand. All the best from Canada ( Happy Canada Day my fellow Canucks). Cheers Darren
It’s so important to Fore-Hedland that she ‘s already off doing theater and pretty much has accepted that there will be no season 2. It got her and her nepo-wife a big payday, so it’s probably important in that way to her.
@@mickeymao7145 Of course. I really feel like it would get worse when "Project 2025" commences once a certain someone gets in the seat unearned once again, while not doing tax release...
It’s collective failure, not one item. If someone gets a divorce and you ask them why “I did not do the dishes which caused a fight and we filed the next day”, the answer is not that you got a divorce because you did not do the dishes, it’s that the dishes were the last straw from systemic long running failures in the relationship. The Acolyte is just the final straw in DIS failure.
There is simply no way of justifying the continuation of Kathleen Kennedys twisted version of Star Wars. This toxic woman and her acolytes should have been removed long long ago. The only good thing about this most recent abomination is that it might finally force those in power to one day retcon all of Disney Star Wars out of existence and restore the EU.
Hey, I'll take a journalist who actually bothers to do research and examine other views, especially on a field as subjective as entertainment, over one who doesn't, any day. Good on 'em. The thing is, the expression of negative views on a subject like entertainment is at least as much a warning to other potential customers as trying to directly address the creators. It would be lovely to imagine the head of a department would listen to negative feedback, but sometimes one has to settle for hitting their pocketbook for failing to do so.
Wow-! The author of this article actually gets it! Listened to The Fandom Menace, and took our words into consideration! _Why_ is _no one_ in the comments talking about the author and this article specifically?! This is a HUGE victory for us!
My theory is that she was chosen specifically for her incompetence. She was chosen because she's basically a soccer mom who has no clue what she's doing and she'd be One of the only people guaranteed to be inept enough to tank one of the largest intellectual properties in America, owned by the largest Entertainment company in America, substantially damaging the American economy after sewing division within a huge number of people and producing billions of dollars with of political propaganda. It's an asymmetrical attack on our population, economy, and government perpetrated by Communist revolutionaries
But EVERYONE had Star Wars. It was the biggest franchise on earth because of how many people all over the globe loved it. And plenty women have always loved Star Wars too. @@Nyet-Zdyes
Your onto something in her jealousy of Men. But it goes deeper than the easy bake oven. After being around real Creative Men all her career and knowing deep down she has zero talent and her only skills in the movie business are that of a glorified secretary and all that entails... and once given a position of power as a gift for being a loyal servant she quickly out of spite and hate sought to destroy the IP's of greater MEN. The Green Monster is strong within her.
Glad you mentioned the bit about "short of removing the sequel trilogy from canon, there is nothing to be done here" - exactly correct. They could start making good Star Wars again and I'd still not pay to see it until everything they've currently released post Episode 6 from Disney is officially removed from Canon.
Review bombing goes both ways. The shills are heaping ridiculously high praise even though they sometimes let honestly slip through (“I know it’s not the best, but” “It has its problems, but…”) to keep their sweet access.
Makes you appreciate a free market. WEF subsidies explicitly intended for social engineering are the reason Disney's failures haven't been corrected. If Disney had to rely on their customers, they'd have had to change course long ago.
I don't get it, how can anyone seriously use the "every band has one bad album" argument at this point? The sequel trilogy had issues baked into it which audiences may or may not have noticed but by the third movie they were undeniable. Solo was a complete bomb. The Mandalorian started off well and was refreshing but by season 2 the rot was already setting in and season 3 was a disaster. The Book of Boba Fett was a confused mess. Obi Wan played out like a farce. And now we have this... Andor is the only show they've had which is really worthwhile, but even that isn't above criticism, pacing issues early on killed off half of what audience it did have.
If a customer doesn’t like something, Disney calls it a “review bomb.” I’m really puzzled whether Disney is even capable of telling the truth anymore? Ah well, enjoy your “less than 10% of the population” “modern audience”.
If ONLY LucasFilm had 21+ Years of beloved stories, with a pretty clear road map, of how Star Wars continued after Return of the Jedi... With Beloved Characters, and Great Story Arcs, and all ye had to do was maybe pay some Authors or Two for them... ... ... ... ... ...
Great points, me and my friends have all checked out of anything Star Wars related. I only watch the video relating to the death of the Star Wars franchise because of my hate for the Iger disney caompany.
I feel like all of these articles are written by people who, again, are not fans of Star Wars and so are writing from the perspective of an outsider rather than a fan. I wish, for once, a critique of “ review bombing” could be written by an actual fan to explain WHY people don’t like Disney Star Wars. If you don’t feel it, you can’t understand it….
* who actually saw it and feel the way they describe in the review. I want to say there are examples of 'review bombing' where real people downvote or give bad reviews but didn't actually see the show, or go to the restaurant, etc. However, like disney paying for good reviews doesn't cause success, actual review bombing doesn't seem to hurt anything, either, so it's a pointless effort, which is why it doesn't really happen much.
How out-of-touch can you possibly be to watch several people's videos on a subject only to come away thinking "No, none of that's real. *I* know what they _really_ mean!"
The way to fix it is to fire everyone at Lucasfilm. Get people who understand Star Wars and KNOW Star Wars, make ALL things Disney has put out as Legends, reboot sequels, or maybe just don't bother. Have the Skywalker Saga be Episodes 1 through 6 and make new Sagas with a new Episode 1. Create new Sagas that have their own self contained arc.
It's a strange article insofar as as you say, it's built on the premise that there is unlimited money to make these products. KK may not care but you can be bloody sure that the investors are, however slowly, noticing.
This is the problem with the argument "not all installments will be your favorite", the problem is the uniqueness of Star Wars that differentiates it from DC, Marvel or transformers which is "continuity". The six movies are one continuous story, and all subsequent installments by Disney's Star Wars are claimed to be in the same continuity as the movie. And yet all those subsequent installments are undermining what makes the characters of George Lucas movies special. All their achievements undermined and broken, their uniqueness is copied by others many years before the movie's timeline. Everything that fans love about the original star wars are corrupted and destroyed. If these article writer wants to use the argument of not all installments will be somebody's favorite, the creators of star wars and their creative heads must reveal without doubts that their creations are placed OUTSIDE of the main star wars continuity. Only then that star wars fans or what's left of them may give a chance to any new story produced by Disney's Lucasfilm. This way too, the creators may inject their own view, agenda, and politics without feeling that the show/movie/books doesn't seem like George Lucas Star Wars, because it isn't. If I can give one franchise that did what I suggested is the Mobile Suit Gundam franchise. This franchise is almost as old as star wars but is still as beloved as ever. Their latest produced movie gain about 4.4 billion Yen in global revenue. They made different timelines with different stories, characters, timelines and Gundam technology. This also makes it easy for anyone to start the franchise as different continuity is contained in their series. Even their latest movie is not from the main continuity. The condition of the gundam franchise is truly in stark contrast with star wars.
@@mazkeraid4039 short answer, she can't. She isn't willing to let anyone to create their own take on star wars, that's why she meddled with the Mandalorian starting from season 3. The previous 2 seasons, she was busy with her own project while Iger gave mr. Favreau a kind of free hands to shape his star wars story.
" Everything that fans love about the original star wars are corrupted and destroyed. " Then mission accomplished for Kathleen Kennedy. She hates this story, and the two men who stood at its head: Lucas and Spielberg. Even when she was just a secretary she was, "not good at taking notes, but good at interrupting in mid-sentence and saying, 'What if he doesn't get the girl. He gets the dog.'" (Spielberg)
Star Wars has been turned into a radioactive corpse. It needs a 30-year break, or they need to allow an Expanded Universe of novels which actually become canon. They need original stories from people who are not in the Hollywood bubble. One of the worst things they did was kill off the EU and decades of original stories that allowed the universe to grow beyond the main generation.
I couldn't care less if KK is aware. I'll continue to drop 3/10 or 4/10 score ratings (scores of 1 or 2 probably get filtered out) on things I don't enjoy for whatever reason after watching it, because that's the only avenue we have to express our displeasure. It's a stunning coincidence that the bulk of my low votes goes to Star Wars these days.
Always remember how they get you: First they state several broad facts everyone can agree with, get us to NOD our heads in agreement BEFORE slipping in their agenda...before you know it you are nodding along in agreement with whatever it is they tell you...when you question, they isolate you from the group, set you up as the strawman ... and your out as the lunatic
I have been checked out of star wars for a while now. The only star wars merch i buy are figures on clearance at Ollies with the express purpose of kitbashing and making custom figures. I turned a Admiral Holdo body into the basis for a Willie Scott. I turned a grand Moff Tarkin body into a Col. Dovchenko from Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Hasbro wouldnt make a Lao Che or Mola Ram. So if they dont want to sell me those figures? Ill make them. I have a star wars skywalker saga blu ray set. Its the only star wars I need. I havent felt the need to buy them again in 4k.
We all know this is basically true. We all know the media has known this for quite some time We also know the media has consistently lied about it and consistently covered for Disney, so why the sudden change? That's the only thing I'm curious about. Why has this publication broken rank, and started to point the finger at Disney for failure instead of pointing the finger at you and me and calling us bigots? What changed?
They're worried more fans will realize that even though Disney Lucasfilm holds the IP and can legally make "official" shows they don't automatically get accepted as part of the Star Wars universe by fans. It is the same way Rings of Power and Ghostbusters 2016 are not acknowledged as in-universe by fans.
The problem is, SW had magic. Disney SW does not have that. Rogue One came close. Andor as well. Surprisingly really. But the rest is empty, shallow film making. The latest show is proof enough. These actors are B movie level actors at best. No charm. Its shocking how many people are willing to not see the shitty film making because of a 'cool lightsaber' fight. Disney basically turned SW into a joke. Its literally exactly now what Lucas always for SW intended to be: A saturday matinee kids adventure that plays after the Disney kids club.
i thought that article was pretty good since they didn't attack fans. But i think they didn't realize just how many bad products Disney Star Wars has produced. Its not just Acolyte but a string of terrible shows. And even Andor isn't universally liked, since some find it boring.
Agreed, the big bugbear in the room is the sequel triology (i still did not watch the last one, nor do i ever intend to do so). Rogue One was ok, i liked Andor but all of that are sidestories. All you can do now is a (soft)reboot pretending the sequels don't exist and or start a new grand story that has not much to do with old content, if you don't want to go on telling stories on a small (planet/systemwide) scale. But it does not look like they get it, as long as you have not removed the source of the disease, it won't get better. But a new Rey movie, or damaging George Lucas's Star Wars by telling stories before the prequels (aka High Republic stories) that affect them, is a good way to finally gut Star Wars for good.
The article raised some good points, but the thing is, given the way reception to the sequel trilogy and Solo fell, it became clear that the executives had no idea on the flow of the sequel trilogy. Novody wanted the hard earned ending of RoTJ to be nullified, or the heroes of the OT to be seen as failures. Plus attacks on fanbase did not help. Even valid complaints raised by fans were dismissed, so the fanbase started leaving. The article also again makes me raise the point that its still stuck closer to The Last Jedi, not the current state of the fandom.
This show comes off so cheap & tacky.. It's not just the terrible writing & terrible acting. The whole thing is a complete self centered power trip.. It's horrible set design, horrible world building, horrible camera work. It all makes this show feel so small. Like it's filmed in a single green screen room.. Grasping at awful CGI techniques to try and force any bit of a false reality into this mess of a show. It's so far from Legitimate Star wars movies that it feels as if this whole thing is a big parody.. A very expensive parody.. These people have proven they are only capable of writing narcissistic stories that self insert themselves and their own beliefs into anything they do. Even if they get to make something from a pre-existing beloved story, they cannot help themselves. They seem to be incapable of creating artistic creations that stray away from their own personal perspective, instead of showing they can lean heavily into escapism and pure storytelling.. They have proven time and time again that they are not capable of doing anything even remotely close to that.. (which is weird because that should be one of the most important attributes that a director or a developer or an actor has in order to be successful at their job....?) How is there no one that will fire these people who openly hate the fans, hate the consumers who made their success in the first place.. These people who actively act like aggressive victims while also being a million times richer than anyone else. Yes they are the victims.. Poor them.. How can they afford to exist.. Compared to "The Acolyte" If you go back & watch "X-Men the Animated series" It was so well crafted. The story of the struggles of mutants having to deal with humanity was such a universally relatable storyline. Media back then was not afraid to face difficult topics head on. They found really unique ways to abstractly teach people life lessons. They touched on difficult situations & found intelligent ways to convey certain stories. Even when I was all grown up & rewatched it, it really felt like the story is crafted so well & executed at such a high level that anyone is capable of relating to it in someway or another. It's stuff like that, that we are deeply lacking nowadays. So much so that literal kid's cartoons from the 90's told deeper and more mature stories than most media nowadays.
I’d say they need to retcon more than just the prequel trilogy, but everything Disney Star Wars with the possible exception of Rogue One and the first two seasons of Mandalorian
They pick and choose when to follow Legends Canon One Episode we are not supposed to follow Master Ki Adi Mundi Birthday because it's Legend Another Episode We are supposed to follow Legends when Cortosis is used as the strangers armor and helmet
I'm constantly amazed at Hollywierd's ability to learn the wrong lesson. They and the customers don't occupy the same reality.
They cannot build up, their radical woke socialist ideology won't let them. They can only tear everything down.
No, Hollywood has always been that way. Because if they listen to you to much they get put out of business.
Jeffery Katzenberg thought 2D films were on their way out because Sinbad bombed. Yet marketing played a large part in it's failure. Mainly the poster from what i hear.
Hollywood tends to learn the wrong lesson a lot
I would say it's because they live in a bubble, where everyone is patting everyone else in the city on the back, agreeing and nodding like drones. But I think it's more arrogance than anything else. Like most self-absorbed morons with narcissistic tendencies, they couldn't see the err of their ways if it hit them in the nose.
And in the immortal words of Yoda... "That is why you fail."
@@Thomasmemoryscentral You don't know what you are talking about. People have gone out business following your advice.
Don't even bother hoping that Disney will admit that they are the problem.
no racist spoiled yte fans are the problem. yall acting sucked over the years. you can't judge anybody. go back and look at the wonder woman series from the 80s. that is some of worst acting i ever seen. you can't hold black people back then expect them to be on par with everyone else. you just looking for an excuse to keep segregating them.
@@Billiepippen and the Oscar for most brainwashed Disney simp apologist is?!!!!!
@@Billiepippen No one gives a shit about what's between your legs, the melanin content in your skin, or politics you follow.
We are tired of being browbeaten by message that if was what people actually wanted, you wouldn't need a popular IP with an already installed fan base to hear it - you could make something BRAND NEW to push a ideology that everyone would like.
We are also tired of historical revision and cannon breaking plot points - that's all.
Almost every geek medium was ALWAYS inclusive until ideologs entered and forced people out after they were initially accepted in the first place.
@@BilliepippenWhat?
@@LoganHunter82 you are racist.
Not matter how much they try hide it, change it, or gaslight it. The truth will always surface, and the truth is that Lucasfilms has been horribly mismanaged, and all can be pointed back at Kathleen Kennedy and toxic culture she rules and promotes
100%
When Nelson Peltz gets rid of Iger he will hopefully bin Kennedy and then cut there losses and sell Lucasfilm to someone that cares and is good at buisness. Sorry that's the only fan fiction I want not Crapalyte.
'Fer sure, and excellent reminder that rising costs coupled with decreasing customers are ultimately unsustainable, no matter the fan 'bias'. Although the 'doubling down' and cynically dismissive 'review bombing' accusations by KK and the 'sisterhood' probably also become inevitable, when *_everything_* becomes less about creating a quality product, than just a matter of 'Ideology', and applying the proper 'Marketing'... aka, _Propaganda._
If it looks like a duck, moves like a duck and quacks like a duck then... it's a duck! KK is a fungus, a disease to Star Wars.
@@dmac3183Sorry to break it to you, but Peltz bailed and sold all of his Disney shares. Peltz is out, so no one is coming to help.
Also, Andor had diversity, gender, and LGBTQ representation, and NO ONE complained because it was well written and well produced. I'm convinced that KK had nothing to do with Andor......and it shows. The other aspect is that one can see where the money went when watching the show.
Why is everyone saying the writing in the Acolyte is bad? Andor's on a whole other level so it's not really fair to compare ANYTHING to Andor, so I ask: objectively what's wrong with the Acolyte's writing? The dialogue seems fine, story is interesting with some cover-up the Jedi have, characters have clear archetypes except for Osha (who so far is just a vehicle for the viewer), and the pacing is pretty steady aside from the explosive fifth episode. I'm not trying to bait, I just thought I'd ask someone who knows good writing when they see it.
@@Extinctor100I don’t think the characters are all that well defined, and they are poorly introduced. Compare how the characters in the Acolyte are set up compared to others shows. Though it’s not as bad as Ashoka, most of the characters lack good motivation: why do they do what they do?
Also a lot of the plot points don’t make sense. The burning of the town, the way the Jedi go about testing people, the whole “murder investigation” thing was laughable. Let alone the fact that they ignore many parts of the SW lore, even if you only count the broad history painted by the movies and live action series. Maintaining continuity within the franchise is an important part of writing.
There are also few surprises, it’s like they take the easiest and most obvious resolution to every plot point. The overall story could have been made so much more interesting, with a ready-made excuse as to why this has not come up in previous SE stories. A dark and somewhat shameful episode in the history of the Jedi, that has been kept from the public. We’ve always been shown how the Jedi as an organisation are a force for good with an unwavering integrity. It would have been great to explore hidden weaknesses in that bastion of morality, but no: the series just dumps on them.
@@Extinctor100 Really..... A master Jedi is killed with a butter Knife after toying with her attacker in some Matrix rip off scene??? The Villain walks up to a Jedi and bloviates attack me while dropping into a Kung Fu stance LOL. That is some like junior high girl writing skills. Fire in Space!!!!! Bringing the Bar Keep Witness to meet the accused!! Changing Canon by putting forth Jedi only ignite their light sabers when they are gonna kill, but then breaking that Canon later in show by using light saber as a flashlight. The whole thing is huge mess of subpar writing, acting and direction.
@@ronthecon9772 The writing really does come off as a shit Wattpad fanfiction that some little girl who never read an entire book before would write. I feel secondhand embarrassment when other channels post clips of the show just to goof on it, with line deliveries from the black actress that are so horrid that I need to put the shit on mute. If I were a little kid and my older brother caught me watching something HALF as corny and lame as the Acolyte on my shitty bedroom CRT TV, he would punch me in the arm and call me names out of sheer obligation (though what he actually would have felt is pity, probably).
@@Extinctor100 literally every...single...line of dialogue on the Acolyte is exposition. The characters already know both sides of the conversation, but they have the conversation anyway just for the sake of the audience. The characters don't talk or act like real people.
I think you nailed it. The "re-invention" of Star Wars with SW:TFA and it really lost the "feel" & "soul" of SW. What Andor & Mandalorian got right: characters on a Hero's Journey who make mistakes, make bad choices, suffer consquences, & learn. That's what people identify with. Regular people believing in their dream and going after it with all the ugliness of failure to teach them.
Doubling down is a symptom of denial because of the cognitive dissonance that reality brings.
They been saying that since the pre-quells.
I don’t know if Rotten Tomatoes changed anything after being called out but when accounts with no names are leaving 5 star ratings, you have to question you have to question if the Acolyte’s score should be lower.
RT is basically a Company Shill for the Movie industry now. Professional Reviewers for the MSM propaganda machines are Paid for and bought with $$$ and Swag Bags/Parties. That is why RUclips reviews and Audience scores carry more cache' today than in the Old Market. Hollyweird hates it because now they have lost control of their false truth and their narrative is being ignored by most even as their Shills lie and call us Bigots/Racists on a timed schedule almost.
Question? I take it for granted.
Before it was fanboys trying to salvage their bad product, now it's political fanatics.
@@denkerbosu3551 too many people don’t understand that.
People are desperately trying to tell Disney that they dont want their garbage, but they are still not getting the message.
They're getting it, they just don't like it or care what we think
It sounds like the author fundamentally does not understand that someone could be invested in a mythos; she writes like every individual story is self-contained with no impact on the larger franchise.
She writes like everything is just product and people out to just consume product.
Pizza from different places are not interchangeable.
Mexican food from different restaurants is not interchangeable.
You can't just plug any ol' story into a SW wrapper and get real SW out. It's not interchangeable.
It's unfair for that writer to compare The Acolyte to things like disliked albums. The best comparison I've figured out is the second Highlander movie. It actively changes history and established mythology, while ignoring the many inconsistencies it creates. It thinks that some swordfights are all that is needed for a good movie, and not even good ones at that. And it lost the audience that already existed, while failing to bring in a new audience. That's the level we need to reach out to for a proper comparison.
better yet the 2nd highlander movie got the treatment it deserved ... eg relagated to the bargain bin at blockbuster.
Evil can't create something new and respected franchise and characters and past and lore . They only ruin and corrupt and disrespect franchise and characters and past and lore.
What are you going on about?
The death of Star Wars began with the Sequel Trilogy. The Acolyte is just the final nail in the coffin.
I have yet to see a time "review bombing" wasn't a cope for creating a garbage product then blaming the audience for not being pigs willing to consume it.
It's just one of their alternate "excuses"... like the coof... blaming streaming... "we trained people not to go to the theater"... "people are tired of superhero movies"... and "people are bigots"...
They are just full of "excuses" that aren't even bad reasons, much less good ones.
I want to say in the early days of online reviews, there were some legit campaigns to bomb a show's score. The work/effect ratio was poor, however, so it's not a tool that gets used much.
They also don't say anything about when people review bomb with 10s to inflate the score of a product either.
Acknowledging the problem and then actually doing something about it is something Disney will never admit to.
Sorry to disagree with u & ME about the future; Even if D+ admits their mistake; They have killed, mutilated, & desecrated SW that few to no fans want SW going forward; no matter how much cgi; witch/-jedi - most of us R fed-up with their awful stories n narratives (killing / desecrating of our fav SW heroes etc) Star wars = star waste!!!! 🗑
Remove the sequel trilogy from canon, you still have the issue that our three OG heroes are either already passed away or way too old for these parts and they have blown the opportunity to bring them together for us again. That won't change until CGI is so advanced that we'll be seeing movies with dead actors all over the place.
@@prof_xhew2929 these people are monsters. They are incapable of actually building up anything. They can only tear down something that is loved until it is destroyed.
@@weldsj8847 even then, they won't allow it. Their radical woke ideology doesn't allow anything good or transcendent to be created, only destroyed to spread a political message.
@@weldsj8847 if they only start the next movie Rey dreamt up sw ep7-9. . .lol
The review bombing I believe is making it clear that Disney as a whole has been rejected by the masses and will continue to be as they can’t apologize and can’t change.
KK does not care, she is losing nothing and the same goes with Bobo, it is not their livelyhoods that suffer it is the studio/company that they are abusing that suffers.
@@Raximus3000 Yes the shareholders are the one's losing $$$$ not those running the company they are probably grifting $$$$ off the ballooned budgets to boot.
Not really, just shows how strong homophobia is. It’s not ironic that this is the only show that got review bombed
@@Raximus3000 no, it's yheir brand. Their studios get paid.
I hate the idea that we shouldn't boycott because "oh, the pool guys handling the lights doesn't get paid"
@thomasmcdevitt - the only show?? Dude ain’t living on earth
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Disney marketing is pretty much at this level. 1985: New Coke launch. Put it in a pink can and tell the gay people to buy it. Everyone complains they don’t like it but label them homophobic.lose billions.
I don't follow your analogy.
Don't worry you going get a movie where two hairy white men wrestle on the ground and one stabs the other in the "Nuts" with his Adamantium claws. Now if you asked me that sounds totally "Gay" but hey if that's your cup of tea then go for it.
@@conscientiousobjector5988 I follow it. If people don't like something, you accuse them of being bigoted against those the packaging is aimed at while denying it's actually the product inside that's terrible.
@@conscientiousobjector5988 Did you really miss that analogy? It was spot on. People disliked the New Coke and it tanked. SO Coke brought back Coke Classic. Smart Move. Disney on the other Hand Produced a Crappy Version of SW that everyone hates and they don't fix the issue they call us all Bigots and Racists.
@@Sonny_McMacsson Thanks for the perfect reply. I was worried I couldn't explain it at a certain level and you did a better job than I could.
Always have to love the excuse of "not every one likes the same show" or something along the lines of it wasn't made for you. Same people that use that excuse also complain when nobody watches their show. It's like they expect you to hate watch their products or something.
“Not made for you” is the ultimate gaslighting of fans.
Another problem is that while you have a whole galaxy to explore. Since Disney took power, most of the starwars products feel small in scale. No longer do we have the scale of the empire of the original movies or the republic in the prequels. The force awakes is basically a smaller rebellion vs. a smaller empire. The last jedi is basically a slow chase in empty space. And the last movie is a Mcguffin hunt with no sense of space or time. The acolyte is the same with characters teleporting between small towns more in line with a low budget fantasy than with Starwars.
The problem that you have is George Lucas talent was not in writing or story telling. When J.R.R. Tolkien wrote the Lord of the Rings he wrote an encyclopedia first about the world he inhabited called Silmarillion. But that not George Lucas he real talent lay in creating Industrial, Light, and Magic or ILM. So if you are a director and you come to Star Wars there not a lot to work with you have to create most of your stories from scratch.
What Kathleen Kennedy should have done is write a book like the an official book on myth and legends of the Jedi and it's universe and say this now official cannon. With that you have some foundation to work with.
@@HellBot-gi5si Actually as i understand it, there is a lot of foundation in the books that were published, but Kennedy and Co. just did not care to search through them. They could have had their foundation right there, there was like a gazillion comics and books of low and high quality written in the last forty years or so. But they did not care. So it was like with RINGS OF POWER, where the Amazon Power could have sourced far more from Tolkien than they did, because they just did not care and wanted to tell their own stories, which kinda sucks. One also has to point out that the real strength of Star Wars the first trilogy was in the cast they assembled. Lawrance Kasdan wrote Empire strikes back. Lucas´wife was a talented editor. They had a young Harrison Ford as one of the male leads. Nowadays they work with activists, who are not talented, nor do they understand the basics of their craft. They seem to not even CARE about the basics of their craft, lol.
@@HellBot-gi5si That may be true, but given the numerous works in what is now Legends, there was plenty of established background lore to work with which established both the history and force mechanics pretty well and was generally pretty consistent. Disney had a great example in front of them with Jania and Jacen solo for having Han and Leia’s son fall to the dark side and how they get defeated, and instead go with Kylo Ren and his stupidity instead.
@@aaronhardin6439 You need to understand Legends is not cannon. Also, George Lucas doesn't like Legends. However, what has happen it gotten totally personal. Kathleen Kennedy and Dave Filoni has gotten so much criticism that they gave you the Acolyte. Which I hate to say it is a big middle finger to the fans. Bob Iger is going to have to remove Kathleen and most the creative team at Disney just to undo the damage the have created.
_Star Wars_ has become _Weekend at Jabba's_ . Disney keeps trying to convince people that it's still alive.
The idiot super deathstar and every ship's a deathstar points have rendered the galaxy untenable .
That pooph has to be retconned back to size.
Yeah, the author of that piece - like all others - can only beat up a strawman of our actual position. They all claim that we "don't want a single change". However, the audience has proven time and time again that we enjoy things that are new and unexpected. Only if they're good though. Also, where was this author when the criticism of _The_ _Force_ _Awakens_ began bubbling up once people realized it was just a blatant copy of the original Star Wars from 1977? It may have sold well at the time due to the lack of any Star Wars movie for such a long time before it, but most fans quickly grew out of love with TFA once they realized that is was just nostalgia bait. And they were asking loudly for a new and original direction for the rest of the sequel trilogy. Yet somehow, the audience only wants "the same thing" in their dishonest arguments.
The key point: It isn’t just that Disney Star Wars is bad, or different. The problem is that the sequel trilogy and other Disney Star Wars content undermines perverts and destroys what came before.
@@MrJeffcoley1 Very good point. I also think that if their movies and series had been very good, with great stories and interesting characters, they probably would have gotten away with the virtue signaling. In fact, I'll go as far as to say I think Andor and Mandalorian prove that.
In their own way they tried to make it like the Dune trilogy. The hero of the previous story is shown to have clay feet but instead of the son carrying on they brought in the progeny of the antagonist.
A long time ago George Lucas said in an interview that the last trilogy would be a melodrama telling how the republic recovered. Seeing that the prequels didn't perform as expected he must have figured that wasn't worth doing. At any rate, like any kind of story it can expand to encompass all the different stories to possibly tell. At that point it becomes repetitive and stale. Star Wars has reached that point, it's stale and Disney has failed miserably to inject it with anything that would reinvigorate it.
Really it's time is up.
@@johnphips9290 Oh, I think a straight-ahead, traditional, well written Jedi vs. Sith story would be very successful, especially in the current climate. It wouldn't even matter whether it was a theatrical or streaming release. No, I don't think Star Wars' time is up any more than it would be for a well done Bond film -- and that series has been going since 1962.
You're being unfair. The author of that piece did NOT claim that the audience "don't want a single change". In fact, if anything, she pushed back against that.
RB’ing is such an inaccurate term. Just Disney desperately trying to control the narrative.
Simply negative reviews for a horrible series. Disney needs to grow the 🤬 up.
Miss Watercutter had been trashing "toxic fans" before, in Rise of Palpatine times at least. No wonder MSM treat her as kind of an expert there.
While i don’t dispute a lot of this review bombing was done by angry fans……the problem is that the fans ARE angry. Let’s face it there’s not some billionaire paying for bots to bomb the show scores. This is Star Wars fans giving them the middle finger. You can expect all shows and movies to remain this way moving forward.
Have you seen how many of the 5 star reviews are from new accounts that have never done a review before and are all very short and similar ... What do you call that? No one seems to wanna talk about the many fake positive reviews
@@exomake_mehorololo well all that means is a billion dollar company likely paid for positive bot reviews to make sure it didn’t fall below 10%
I know it doesn't represents Star Wars, but Capcom had a survey on the demographic of the sexes that play their games. I can't remember the exact numbers, but the survey was 80+% male, 10-16% female, and unknown was 4%.
I think this is important. Publishers are hiring the female demographic who wants to appease the 4% at the expense of the 80+%
You are misleading yourself a bit about the purpose of this.
I admit that the representation does not reflect Star Wars. I also know that many of the hiring sections of a company are predominantly female. HR is made of mostly females. Am I, so far, wrong?
@@justinlw2001 Humanity keeps letting me down. I see where it's going. They are having complaints and arguments about anything under the sun except what really matters and and when it comes to what does, they will fail to take appropriate action. They are statistical expressions and rarely more, as if originated from memes themselves. A terrible fate for society.
@@conscientiousobjector5988
I would suggest that what you have written says more about YOU than those you are seeking to critique 🙄
@@greenlichtie Ah, then you should have no trouble telling us about it. I must say, you have been a bit vague.
Disney won't get it until the ship at the sandy bottom of the sea.
What!?
@@conscientiousobjector5988 They're on a sinking ship. They won't acknowledge it until it is all the way sunk.
Even at that point they’ll blame the fans
Disney thinks it's too big to fail. It's not.
That article is so many years too late. It’s like she’s slowly figuring out 2 + 2 isn’t 6.
The deliberate destruction of heroic franchises originated as a reaction to threads on the Stormfront forum over 20 years ago. The messages from that time, and the threads are still shown on the forum..
A wise entertainment business knows that in order to keep their viewers entertained is to give them what they are looking for. When you don't appreciate the viewers/fans and make things they don't like you will ultimately fail.
That...isn't wise, actually. Some of the best TV canceled prematurely while worse gets renewed season after season. Anyway, smart business means creating your own markets. People don't know what they want; they are basing their choices on emotion and familiarity.
@@conscientiousobjector5988 Star Wars fans know what they want! That is Disney's failure. They don't care what the fans want.
@@josiatokirina1788 You've added to my lifelong concern about the species.
I agree, but making a Star Wars movie isn't easy. Even George Lucas faced a lot of blow back when making the pre-quells.
@@conscientiousobjector5988 Hate for Disney SW is a great thing..... people should hate subpar vile products and voice their displeasure on such things. And their is nothing wrong with wanting Disney to fail and be replaced with a better Company.
You gotta give the writer credits for actually taking the time to listen to what the fans have been saying.
I don’t think this modern audience exists.
Not in any sufficient number...
It rarely does. The modern audience is always the audience they want, not the audience that they have.
Oh they exist. There's seven of them and four of them are men.
is the modern audience in the room with us?
They know, they're trying to create it, it's not working though and they're just going to bankrupt themselves trying
Love the background music, and the calm and confident voice breaking it down.
Well said Andre. God Bless you Midnight's Edge. So very well said.
It is sad that Disney will never understand.
All the best from Canada ( Happy Canada Day my fellow Canucks).
Cheers
Darren
The amount of question begging in that article is mind boggling.
10:15... Yes, we do. And thank God for Harmy and for Team Negative 1. They all did an AMAZING job.
I was saying that if they gave us more stuff we actually wanted, people would’ve been indifferent to the Acolyte.
It’s so important to Fore-Hedland that she ‘s already off doing theater and pretty much has accepted that there will be no season 2. It got her and her nepo-wife a big payday, so it’s probably important in that way to her.
On a similar topic, Mark Hamill is clinically insane.
Combination of misrepresentation and disrespect must of hurt, nothing new.
Terminal case of TDS, it's sad, I used to love the guy
@@mickeymao7145 TDS?! I don't know what that acronym means.
@@mazkeraid4039 Trump Derangement Syndrome
@@mickeymao7145 Of course. I really feel like it would get worse when "Project 2025" commences once a certain someone gets in the seat unearned once again, while not doing tax release...
It’s collective failure, not one item. If someone gets a divorce and you ask them why “I did not do the dishes which caused a fight and we filed the next day”, the answer is not that you got a divorce because you did not do the dishes, it’s that the dishes were the last straw from systemic long running failures in the relationship. The Acolyte is just the final straw in DIS failure.
they had a chance to remove the sequel trilogy from canon, they didnt
Its getting pretty obvious why this is going on. Let us just keep our head cannon until this is all passed over lol
You are banking on it getting better. What is better? What is the threshold that you will suffer before better comes along?
My Star Wars head cannon is so corroded from Dismal, that it is unlikely to be salvageable.
@@justinlw2001 Because good writters will eventually get their hands on it.
There is simply no way of justifying the continuation of Kathleen Kennedys twisted version of Star Wars. This toxic woman and her acolytes should have been removed long long ago.
The only good thing about this most recent abomination is that it might finally force those in power to one day retcon all of Disney Star Wars out of existence and restore the EU.
Hey, I'll take a journalist who actually bothers to do research and examine other views, especially on a field as subjective as entertainment, over one who doesn't, any day. Good on 'em.
The thing is, the expression of negative views on a subject like entertainment is at least as much a warning to other potential customers as trying to directly address the creators. It would be lovely to imagine the head of a department would listen to negative feedback, but sometimes one has to settle for hitting their pocketbook for failing to do so.
Wow-! The author of this article actually gets it! Listened to The Fandom Menace, and took our words into consideration!
_Why_ is _no one_ in the comments talking about the author and this article specifically?! This is a HUGE victory for us!
It ate it's young and now is eating itself. Thanks A...always enjoy your take.
My theory, KK is resentful because her parents wouldn’t buy her the cool Kenner SW toys. They told her SW is for boys and gave her an Easybake Oven.
My theory is that she was chosen specifically for her incompetence.
She was chosen because she's basically a soccer mom who has no clue what she's doing and she'd be One of the only people guaranteed to be inept enough to tank one of the largest intellectual properties in America, owned by the largest Entertainment company in America, substantially damaging the American economy after sewing division within a huge number of people and producing billions of dollars with of political propaganda.
It's an asymmetrical attack on our population, economy, and government perpetrated by Communist revolutionaries
Good theory
She saw that men and boys have something that they like... and she wants to take it away from them, or ruin it so that they can't have it either.
But EVERYONE had Star Wars. It was the biggest franchise on earth because of how many people all over the globe loved it. And plenty women have always loved Star Wars too. @@Nyet-Zdyes
Your onto something in her jealousy of Men. But it goes deeper than the easy bake oven. After being around real Creative Men all her career and knowing deep down she has zero talent and her only skills in the movie business are that of a glorified secretary and all that entails... and once given a position of power as a gift for being a loyal servant she quickly out of spite and hate sought to destroy the IP's of greater MEN. The Green Monster is strong within her.
Another absolutely fantastic contribution! Your reviews are fantastic. Thank you for your efforts.
Invasion of the Franchise Snatchers. Zombies that shamble about and screech at anyone not like them.
Glad you mentioned the bit about "short of removing the sequel trilogy from canon, there is nothing to be done here" - exactly correct. They could start making good Star Wars again and I'd still not pay to see it until everything they've currently released post Episode 6 from Disney is officially removed from Canon.
When a major chunk of your original old school fans have checked out into Apathy Land, you're in deep doo.
yep because not only are they not watching but they arent buying merch or spreading the word.
I miss the old intro music…
I miss the old, old music.
Review bombing goes both ways. The shills are heaping ridiculously high praise even though they sometimes let honestly slip through (“I know it’s not the
best, but” “It has its problems, but…”) to keep their sweet access.
Makes you appreciate a free market. WEF subsidies explicitly intended for social engineering are the reason Disney's failures haven't been corrected. If Disney had to rely on their customers, they'd have had to change course long ago.
you the likes of blackrock?
I don't get it, how can anyone seriously use the "every band has one bad album" argument at this point?
The sequel trilogy had issues baked into it which audiences may or may not have noticed but by the third movie they were undeniable. Solo was a complete bomb. The Mandalorian started off well and was refreshing but by season 2 the rot was already setting in and season 3 was a disaster. The Book of Boba Fett was a confused mess. Obi Wan played out like a farce. And now we have this...
Andor is the only show they've had which is really worthwhile, but even that isn't above criticism, pacing issues early on killed off half of what audience it did have.
At this point, Disney isn’t the actual Star Wars band; they are a tribute band and a sucky one at that, trying to imitate Lucasfilm.
A reporter actually listened to the fans? Is she a unicorn?
True Story 😂😂😂
She may have simply realized that her own reputation... and career... is at stake.
If a customer doesn’t like something, Disney calls it a “review bomb.” I’m really puzzled whether Disney is even capable of telling the truth anymore? Ah well, enjoy your “less than 10% of the population” “modern audience”.
It's much less than 10%, normal gay people also dislike this abomination.
"Apathy is death"
If ONLY LucasFilm had 21+ Years of beloved stories, with a pretty clear road map, of how Star Wars continued after Return of the Jedi... With Beloved Characters, and Great Story Arcs, and all ye had to do was maybe pay some Authors or Two for them... ... ... ... ... ...
Andre, compliments in another great coverage
I have the despecialized version. It’s nice to have it the way I saw it as a kid.
Great points, me and my friends have all checked out of anything Star Wars related. I only watch the video relating to the death of the Star Wars franchise because of my hate for the Iger disney caompany.
I feel like all of these articles are written by people who, again, are not fans of Star Wars and so are writing from the perspective of an outsider rather than a fan. I wish, for once, a critique of “ review bombing” could be written by an actual fan to explain WHY people don’t like Disney Star Wars. If you don’t feel it, you can’t understand it….
The real problem will only go away when Disney sells 😂
It's not review bombing if the reviews are from real people
* who actually saw it and feel the way they describe in the review. I want to say there are examples of 'review bombing' where real people downvote or give bad reviews but didn't actually see the show, or go to the restaurant, etc.
However, like disney paying for good reviews doesn't cause success, actual review bombing doesn't seem to hurt anything, either, so it's a pointless effort, which is why it doesn't really happen much.
How out-of-touch can you possibly be to watch several people's videos on a subject only to come away thinking "No, none of that's real. *I* know what they _really_ mean!"
The way to fix it is to fire everyone at Lucasfilm. Get people who understand Star Wars and KNOW Star Wars, make ALL things Disney has put out as Legends, reboot sequels, or maybe just don't bother. Have the Skywalker Saga be Episodes 1 through 6 and make new Sagas with a new Episode 1. Create new Sagas that have their own self contained arc.
Thank you Andre! That was so well put!
I knew you were truly Norwegian when you analyzed the heavy metal bands lol
Rock on!
It's a strange article insofar as as you say, it's built on the premise that there is unlimited money to make these products. KK may not care but you can be bloody sure that the investors are, however slowly, noticing.
This is the problem with the argument "not all installments will be your favorite", the problem is the uniqueness of Star Wars that differentiates it from DC, Marvel or transformers which is "continuity".
The six movies are one continuous story, and all subsequent installments by Disney's Star Wars are claimed to be in the same continuity as the movie. And yet all those subsequent installments are undermining what makes the characters of George Lucas movies special. All their achievements undermined and broken, their uniqueness is copied by others many years before the movie's timeline. Everything that fans love about the original star wars are corrupted and destroyed.
If these article writer wants to use the argument of not all installments will be somebody's favorite, the creators of star wars and their creative heads must reveal without doubts that their creations are placed OUTSIDE of the main star wars continuity. Only then that star wars fans or what's left of them may give a chance to any new story produced by Disney's Lucasfilm. This way too, the creators may inject their own view, agenda, and politics without feeling that the show/movie/books doesn't seem like George Lucas Star Wars, because it isn't.
If I can give one franchise that did what I suggested is the Mobile Suit Gundam franchise. This franchise is almost as old as star wars but is still as beloved as ever. Their latest produced movie gain about 4.4 billion Yen in global revenue. They made different timelines with different stories, characters, timelines and Gundam technology. This also makes it easy for anyone to start the franchise as different continuity is contained in their series. Even their latest movie is not from the main continuity.
The condition of the gundam franchise is truly in stark contrast with star wars.
Marvel did something similar to the point of making timelines different, how are Kennedyfilm going to counteract that?
@@mazkeraid4039 short answer, she can't. She isn't willing to let anyone to create their own take on star wars, that's why she meddled with the Mandalorian starting from season 3. The previous 2 seasons, she was busy with her own project while Iger gave mr. Favreau a kind of free hands to shape his star wars story.
" Everything that fans love about the original star wars are corrupted and destroyed. " Then mission accomplished for Kathleen Kennedy. She hates this story, and the two men who stood at its head: Lucas and Spielberg. Even when she was just a secretary she was, "not good at taking notes, but good at interrupting in mid-sentence and saying, 'What if he doesn't get the girl. He gets the dog.'" (Spielberg)
Star Wars has been turned into a radioactive corpse. It needs a 30-year break, or they need to allow an Expanded Universe of novels which actually become canon. They need original stories from people who are not in the Hollywood bubble.
One of the worst things they did was kill off the EU and decades of original stories that allowed the universe to grow beyond the main generation.
Spot on Midnight. You the man!
I care so little of Disney Star Wars that I don’t even care to “review bomb.” I just watch the train wreck from a distance via RUclips reviews.
I couldn't care less if KK is aware. I'll continue to drop 3/10 or 4/10 score ratings (scores of 1 or 2 probably get filtered out) on things I don't enjoy for whatever reason after watching it, because that's the only avenue we have to express our displeasure.
It's a stunning coincidence that the bulk of my low votes goes to Star Wars these days.
Just keep doing what you're doing Sir!
Always remember how they get you:
First they state several broad facts everyone can agree with, get us to NOD our heads in agreement BEFORE slipping in their agenda...before you know it you are nodding along in agreement with whatever it is they tell you...when you question, they isolate you from the group, set you up as the strawman ... and your out as the lunatic
Billy Idols cyberpunk had the great single “Shock to the system”
Saw him on that tour ,was very good and underrated
I have been checked out of star wars for a while now. The only star wars merch i buy are figures on clearance at Ollies with the express purpose of kitbashing and making custom figures. I turned a Admiral Holdo body into the basis for a Willie Scott. I turned a grand Moff Tarkin body into a Col. Dovchenko from Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
Hasbro wouldnt make a Lao Che or Mola Ram. So if they dont want to sell me those figures? Ill make them.
I have a star wars skywalker saga blu ray set. Its the only star wars I need. I havent felt the need to buy them again in 4k.
We all know this is basically true.
We all know the media has known this for quite some time
We also know the media has consistently lied about it and consistently covered for Disney, so why the sudden change? That's the only thing I'm curious about. Why has this publication broken rank, and started to point the finger at Disney for failure instead of pointing the finger at you and me and calling us bigots? What changed?
Probably money.
@@kamui003 do you think Disney stoped paying out for the shill so the media isn't covering for them anymore?
10:38 Andor and Mando are available on Bluray. Don't need D+.
They're worried more fans will realize that even though Disney Lucasfilm holds the IP and can legally make "official" shows they don't automatically get accepted as part of the Star Wars universe by fans.
It is the same way Rings of Power and Ghostbusters 2016 are not acknowledged as in-universe by fans.
Excellent analysis that cuts through all the noise, nonsense, and incorrect, biased theories and excuses behind the failure of Disney's Star Wars.
Can we also talk about how the “critics” are paid for, or pressured in to positive reviews as well?
The problem is, SW had magic. Disney SW does not have that. Rogue One came close. Andor as well. Surprisingly really. But the rest is empty, shallow film making. The latest show is proof enough. These actors are B movie level actors at best. No charm. Its shocking how many people are willing to not see the shitty film making because of a 'cool lightsaber' fight. Disney basically turned SW into a joke. Its literally exactly now what Lucas always for SW intended to be: A saturday matinee kids adventure that plays after the Disney kids club.
Don't watch Disney.
How come it isn't "review bombing" when shit "critics" give the people they know (ie sleep with) good reviews?
i thought that article was pretty good since they didn't attack fans. But i think they didn't realize just how many bad products Disney Star Wars has produced.
Its not just Acolyte but a string of terrible shows. And even Andor isn't universally liked, since some find it boring.
How to avoid review bombing: make a good product. It's that easy, well maybe not to people who keep making this crap but you get the point.
Agreed, the big bugbear in the room is the sequel triology (i still did not watch the last one, nor do i ever intend to do so). Rogue One was ok, i liked Andor but all of that are sidestories. All you can do now is a (soft)reboot pretending the sequels don't exist and or start a new grand story that has not much to do with old content, if you don't want to go on telling stories on a small (planet/systemwide) scale.
But it does not look like they get it, as long as you have not removed the source of the disease, it won't get better. But a new Rey movie, or damaging George Lucas's Star Wars by telling stories before the prequels (aka High Republic stories) that affect them, is a good way to finally gut Star Wars for good.
The best anyone can do in criticizing Disney and Lucas films is using their own words and footage against them.
Hell yeah, I got my bootleg DVDs of the original trilogy (just rewatch Episode 4 recently), and that's all the Star Wars I'll ever need.
Same. The TK77?
Billy Idols Cyberpunk is criminally overlooked. So is Devil's Playground
Well, the mainshill media is getting a *little* closer to getting it.
The article raised some good points, but the thing is, given the way reception to the sequel trilogy and Solo fell, it became clear that the executives had no idea on the flow of the sequel trilogy. Novody wanted the hard earned ending of RoTJ to be nullified, or the heroes of the OT to be seen as failures. Plus attacks on fanbase did not help. Even valid complaints raised by fans were dismissed, so the fanbase started leaving. The article also again makes me raise the point that its still stuck closer to The Last Jedi, not the current state of the fandom.
Excellent analysis. Thanks.
disney is stuck on tatooine but couldn't bring it to the parks. it is baffling
Andre, I agree, Cyberpunk is a masterpiece. It’s my first and favourite Billy Idol album.
This show comes off so cheap & tacky.. It's not just the terrible writing & terrible acting. The whole thing is a complete self centered power trip.. It's horrible set design, horrible world building, horrible camera work. It all makes this show feel so small. Like it's filmed in a single green screen room.. Grasping at awful CGI techniques to try and force any bit of a false reality into this mess of a show.
It's so far from Legitimate Star wars movies that it feels as if this whole thing is a big parody.. A very expensive parody..
These people have proven they are only capable of writing narcissistic stories that self insert themselves and their own beliefs into anything they do. Even if they get to make something from a pre-existing beloved story, they cannot help themselves. They seem to be incapable of creating artistic creations that stray away from their own personal perspective, instead of showing they can lean heavily into escapism and pure storytelling.. They have proven time and time again that they are not capable of doing anything even remotely close to that.. (which is weird because that should be one of the most important attributes that a director or a developer or an actor has in order to be successful at their job....?)
How is there no one that will fire these people who openly hate the fans, hate the consumers who made their success in the first place.. These people who actively act like aggressive victims while also being a million times richer than anyone else. Yes they are the victims.. Poor them.. How can they afford to exist.. Compared to "The Acolyte" If you go back & watch "X-Men the Animated series" It was so well crafted. The story of the struggles of mutants having to deal with humanity was such a universally relatable storyline. Media back then was not afraid to face difficult topics head on. They found really unique ways to abstractly teach people life lessons. They touched on difficult situations & found intelligent ways to convey certain stories. Even when I was all grown up & rewatched it, it really felt like the story is crafted so well & executed at such a high level that anyone is capable of relating to it in someway or another. It's stuff like that, that we are deeply lacking nowadays. So much so that literal kid's cartoons from the 90's told deeper and more mature stories than most media nowadays.
I’d say they need to retcon more than just the prequel trilogy, but everything Disney Star Wars with the possible exception of Rogue One and the first two seasons of Mandalorian
They pick and choose when to follow Legends Canon
One Episode we are not supposed to follow Master Ki Adi Mundi Birthday because it's Legend
Another Episode We are supposed to follow Legends when Cortosis is used as the strangers armor and helmet