DIESELING A PELLET RIFLE. CHRONOGRAPH
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Today we diesel a pellet rifle which means we put oil in the gas piston of the rifle and when we shoot it, it ignites the oil and shoots the pellet out at extraordinary speeds!!! The more power the rifle has, the more powerful the explosion in the chamber will be.
what I used
Chronograph- CALDWELL
pellet rifle- BEEMAN SILVER KODIAK
oil used- 3 in ONE OIL
pellets- CROSMAN PREMIER .22 HOLLOW POINT PELLETS
scope- 3-9x32mm
average speed w/o oil (640fps) low 637fps, high 647fps
Average speed with oil (963fps) low 929, high 986fps
DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DO THIS AT HOME... THE RIFLE CAN BE DAMAGED AND CAN CAUSE SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH.
Yes oil ignites in the chamber. Dieseling is when the air pressure of firing a pellet causes lubricant behind the pellet to combust.
Wikipedia - Dieseling is so named because it is similar in effect to how diesel engines operate: by firing without a spark. The ignition source of a diesel engine is the heat generated by the compression of the air in the cylinder, rather than a spark as in gasoline engines
BS...
The fuel injectors spray pressurized gasoline internally into the engine as the air rushes in, creating the fuel-air vapor at the point where the engine uses it, unlike a carburetor that's mounted above the engine. ... The spark plug ignites the fuel to provide power: (Pressure in NOT the source of ignition)
This is still dangerous!
In gasoline cars with fuel injectors, do we need spark plugs? Yes. All petrol engines have spark plugs. So you will always need a spark plug. It does not matter if the petrol engine has a carburetor or a fuel injection.
This is still dangerous!
So, unless you have a freaking spark plug on the pellet rifle, you are NOT igniting anything. YOU’RE ONLY INCREASING THE THICKNESS OF THE VAPOR! Even with a jet engine this holds
true; Jet engines, which are also called gas turbines, work by sucking air into the front of the engine using a fan. ... The igniter is very similar to the spark plug in your car or piston-engine airplane. Once the igniter lights the fire, it is self-sustaining, and the igniter is turned off.
STOP thinking and/or telling people that you are igniting the petroleum products that
you do this with! YOU ARE NOT!
Your igniting the fuel you put into it do your research. Go to any airgun website Wikipedia airgundepot pyramid air all of them. This is how a diesel truck runs. Hence the name dieseling.
Your ignorance of how fuels work is why i had to make this post.
@@DustinDoesIt I worked on heavy equipment diesels as a teenager working my way through college. ALL DIESEL ENGINES have a spark plug!
In gasoline or diesel cars with fuel injectors or carburetors, do they still need spark plugs?
Yes. All petrol engines have spark plugs. So you will always need a spark plug. It does not matter if the petrol engine has a carburetor or a fuel injection.
This is still dangerous!
So, unless you have a freaking spark plug on the pellet rifle, you are NOT igniting anything. YOU’RE ONLY INCREASING THE THICKNESS OF THE VAPOR! Even with a jet engine this holds true; Jet engines, which are also called gas turbines, work by sucking air into the front of the engine using a fan. ... The igniter is very similar to the spark plug in your car or piston-engine airplane. Once the igniter lights the fire, it is self-sustaining, and the igniter is turned off.
Get off of Wikipedia, there is no one there except uneducated dumb-asses like you!
I Dare you to go crank any petroleum engine without a spark plug!
READ THE FREAKING ANSWERS I HAVE POSTED! better yet, get some 10 year old to read them to you!
Peace Out!
First off if you ever worked on diesels they don't have spark plugs, they have glow plugs they help the engine crank when its cold by heating the diesel not igniting it. It heats up the fuel that it combust on the compression stroke. Thats why you have to turn the key in a diesel over for about 5 to 10 seconds before starting it. Then after a few minutes of the engine running they turn off completely, so the only thing igniting the diesel in the cylinders is compression.
I use Vick’s vapor rub. Just enough to fill the pellet cup. Never put too much oil in the piston housing. Benjamin air rifle, nitro piston. Just about 675 fps stock, with Vicks, average just over 1000 fps using the same pellets, 14 grain Crossman. Huge difference, sometimes i get a significant “Crack” possibly breaking the sound barrier. I have never had a malfunction in 2 years. 79 dollar pellet gun.
Have you thought about mixing black powder in with vapor rub
I'm very suspicious about the tight, consistent, grouping of speeds in all these comments, converging on 900-1000 fps.
I don't think there's any dieseling going on here at all, esp. with vaseline. Any ignition is _incidental,_ not causal.
What's really going on is yall lubing the slug and barrel and getting the least possible friction.
This speed is close to the local velocity of sound in air, coincidentally the fastest speed possible to drive a projectile: once you reach that speed you can't go any faster; else the pellet is actually _outracing_ the air molecules that are trying to push against it. It would be like throwing fastballs at the back of a car doing ~100 mph . The car won't go much faster, even with a thousand fastballs at once.
Try mixing it with 50% RC nitro plane fuel (20%) nitro
How about Vaseline?? Did you try Preperation H? I can send you a tube from my private stock.
@@-danR I don't see how a drop of diesel fuel, Rem oil, marvel oil, Vaseline etc could ignite without being atomized.
Possibly some vapors are actually combusting.
As kids in the UK in the sixties, we'd put model aircraft diesel fuel in the tin of pellets (a mixture of ether, paraffin, and oil bought in cans from the model shop for our compression ignition model plane motors). Enough fuel was held in the base of the pellet to give a satisfying 'crack', and a puff of smoke, with noticeably more power… they'd easily rip apart Coke cans (the old tin plate ones, not the thin aluminium cans of today) from 50 yds. This was using a BSA Airsporter rifle.
Did the same model aircraft fuel
Back when it was legal? ...
Had BSA,put model fuel,not glow plug, into the cylinder. Would auto load.
Now, what's the latest with kitchen knives and hammers?
@@udrinkit don't sharpen a kitchen knife with a hammer? Let roadkill thaw before dressing it?
This is what happens when you leave your kid at home alone too often or for too long. He finds a way to have fun outside, in the woods, in the fresh air, without a phone, pad, or console. Amazing 👏🙀😮🙏👍
Thank you 😊
Thanks!
We did it on old “tracker” bikes. Long before mountain bikes ever existed.
@Libertad you earned that BB gun
Hes... recording a video....with some kind of computer? And then sitting infront of a computer to edit?? Lmao
@@greywolf2809 my thoughts exactly
I was doing the same thing in 1967 at the age of 12 ....No internet, or friends to advise me I just thought it would make a difference. Happy days, I got a windscreen wiper motor off a morris 1000 a old battery and target nice fun long time ago using a •22 now I am almost 70 years old
Oh. I always thought "Dieseling" was like when you win a street race and you're all like "Family is everything."
Underrated comment tbh
I like you. You've got moxy. I like moxy.
Чертов гений😂❤
awesome. That IS the real definition
I used to do this as a kid 30 years ago. Thought it was lubrication making it shoot so well back then. Never thought about it since. The things you learn on RUclips.
Me too
Cool, ain't it?
Go look up .625 cal blowguns.
Your welcome.
When I was a kid, in the 80's I used to put TWO pellets down the barrel, and YES, it DID fire ~ With a loud crack, almost like firing a real .22. It was cool.
@@PeterMaddison2483 that loud crack was it goin supersonic. i love that sound so much personally
@@trippie_fabio3181 Holy shit, seriously.
I would have loved to have a chronograph back then to check it's speed.
Wish my grandpa was still around to see this. He would've loved it...he got me my first pellet gun when I was 6 an taught me how to be safe with it. Anyways, great content!
Me 2 brother
My Dad tought me all about gun safety and taught me how to aim and shoot when I was 6. I'll never forget that day. My mother was pisssssssssed off. She acted like the world was coming to an end and every bad thing that could possibly happen was about to. But it turned out to be the smartest move my Dad ever made as far as timing and teaching me was concerned. And still to this day I have madd respect for guns and handle them with the caution and respect they deserve. So I bought my Son his first firearm when he was 7. A Rossi pump 22 carbine with a short little stock. Man that is a nice little carbine. You c 13:45 an shoot it with one arm and put the eye out of an opossum at 60 yards!
There is a good chance that your grandpa knew this trick ☺️ It's been around forever
I remember doing this when I was a kid, not because I thought it was shooting faster but because it made a cooler noise and it look like smoke would come out of the barrel like a real gun
I did the same thing 😂
me too , I figured because it helped seal the system and not as much air would leak out..
crossman pump bb guns...
lol, same here.
Good thing you didn't shoot at your friend. 😳
Haha same
place the rear skirt of the pellet on a flat sheet of steel.Lightly tap the front of the pellet with a block of wood so the skirt slightly splays which makes a tighter fit to the barrel.Load the pellet as normal but then push the pellet a millimetre further into the barrel with a punch or nail.Put the drop of oil behind the pellet not the cylinder.You have now created a space for the expansion of hot gasses when the oil ignites.
I have also learned vicks vapour rub works in fact better
Wouldn't a simpler solvent like ethanol or IPA be better, because I imagine oil doesn't burn cleanly, and gums up the barrel?
Use Vaseline
@@DisorderedArray Yeah, the alcohols do burn cleaner, but they need a much higher compression in order to combust.
So do a mix, where a little oil ignites the alcohol.
Your refusal to promote an overly expensive pellet states much about your integrity. Kudos.
Back in the 90s I had a "friend" who had a hw99 he would start the .22 pellet about 3/8 (10mm) down the barrel with a plastic pellet starter then put 3 in 1 oil behind it, he didn't have a chrony at the time but the crack it made when fired would make your ears ring along with smoke and better range showed that clearly the gun was much more powerful, even after 100s of shot this never damaged the barrel seal.
And the crack was proof it was breaking the sound barrier, something I didn't hear in this demo.
I had an 80, loaded skirt with vaseline gave off a right crack due to dieseling. I would be more concerned about the led type chrono registering blast than the pellet, see it all the time. Start of video impact times are quite similar to the supposed 950+.
As a kid in the 50s l discovered that the old strike anyware matches fit down the barrel of my .17 air rifle........wow I had the best tracer flaming mini arrows ever........ probably didn't do the bore that good, but it sure was fun.......
Did ya 😅
WOW!!!👌 I just took my Ruger .22 impact and 3 in 1 oil outside and tried this...My rifle actually had a good recoil, more than a 22LR! It cracked loud and I could feel the increased energy. It's a beast! 💪. Best thing I've ever learned about a air rifle!!! Thanks bro!
The best way is to put a drop in the back of the pellet.
I just learned dieseling today. I can't believe I've never known this. It's pretty much indistinguishable from a .22 lr in sound and velocity now! Nothing else I could have done would have given this much of a power boost.
@@devon6866 Yep. 😀
@@DustinDoesIt Yes. Works great 👍
@@DustinDoesIt is one drop sufficient? And does doing this damage the rifle?
I've done this for years with my old air rifle. One drop of oil is enough. Too much and it essentially drowns it out and it just blows oil and potentially will blow out the seals. Also, when it fires, it will smell different than the normal oil smell because it is burning. FYI, I used 3 in 1 oil too.
One drop in pellet cup with wd-40 works for me with .177 cal/7.9gr. Crosman hollow point pellets using a Crosman F4 at 15yrds punched through an aluminum frying pan. Loved hearing that pan chime 😁👍
Vics vaporub in the pellet cup. Works like a charm
I have that same Crosman
Vicks VapoRub on a Raptor pellet by Gamo in a 177 caliber Gamo Whisper shot through a steel entry door. I shoot through frying pans all the time. And I also shot through a 2 L of ice four times in a row with that same pellet
The rifle arrived today and I dialed in the scope just a couple hours ago ruclips.net/user/postUgkxQt2uORDRfFOVSrO4idv4B90ThT6EOnEL . I haven’t shot with a scope in probably 25 years. The X on the left was my target. (the shot almost in the bullseye on the right X was my father in laws first shot after I made adjustments) The two shots circled are my first 2 shots. Then I brought it down - shot once. Then brought it over to the left. From there zeroed it in to dead center. This all was from 25 yards out. Follow instructions carefully when mounting the scope. So far I'm very happy with the purchase.
I did this years ago with a Gamo break action with interchangeable barrels. I shot at an angled piece of slate roofing about 3/8 to a half-inch thick. Without dieseling it would just break the surface and bounce off. With dieseling it made a clean hole all the way through that half inch tile. And when I say clean I mean there was barely any of the cone shaped breakage on the back so it was moving so fast that it just barreled through without much resistance or losing energy. Never had any issues with o rings or seals like people keep complaining about. That might apply to lower quality or shity guns like a daisy. But even though Gamo isn't the greatest brand; it still held up and I never noticed any additional fouling inside that people typically claim either. Shot thousands of rounds through that gun and never blew a seal or had additional fowling. So instead of listening to the complainers; try it for yourself for an objective opinion instead of a subjective one. I believe I may have commented on this video before but felt that I should add the objective vs. Subjective part of it because since the first time I saw this video, I've seen many of the kyles and Karen's regarding fouling and ruining your gun and o-ring breakage and all kinds of other stuff basically saying that doing this will destroy your gun or put you in danger. Anyting is dangerous so treated as if it were an actual 22LR firearm and wear safety goggles and don't buy s***equipment 🤷 people nowadays are just a bunch of pedantic Karen's who need to prove somebody wrong so by doing it for yourself there's no need to listen to other people just take the necessary safety precautions. And for those saying that it is not igniting. It is in fact igniting the same way a diesel engine does albeit in a different manner THUS its name DIESELING. If you compress air fast enough it will ignite fuel this is how a fire piston works. The temperature Spike from the compression is enough to ignite even the solid-fuel of a piece of char cloth but a fire piston has very thick walls when made of anything but metal in order to hold that pressure. Now add a volatile combustible and you have the equivalent of what is happening inside of the pellet rifle. But don't take my word for it. Take necessary precautions and Try it for yourself before becoming and offended Karen that needs to be right.
Me and my buddies were doing this back in the 80s. We would push the pellets in to make a better seal. We would also top& tail the barrel, one in each end, with oil in the barrel in between. This made the shot sound much louder, more like a real bullet.
And blow fuck out if end of your barrel and fuck the gun !
@@Dallco83 Nope. We used a few drops of 3in1 oil. Never had any issues as the pellets can’t take anything like the pressure needed to blow a barrel. We did however, go through quite a few cleaning pellets.
it works better if you put the oil in the back of the pellet in the little indent. you want the explosion to happen directly behind the pellet. liquid oil can be difficult to get it to stay in the pellet... petrolium jelly (vaseline) works great for that. just pack a dab into the pellet and let it rip. works much much better
So it would work with co2 power
as well?
@@mikha007 i've never actually tried it with co2, i'd imagine it works with the co2, as long as the compression in the chamber is sudden enough, it should work. co2 is cold when it expands rapidly though, so it might counter the detonation. worth giving it a shot...i like using the vics or vaseline because you can pre pack a bunch of pellets with it and have them ready to go without having to fiddle with every reload. i would not however put the vaseline packed pellets in a magazine, they might get goopy and stuck lol
That's what I try to tell everybody to do is show the back of your pillow it up that way it won't damage the gun I've been doing this for years been hunting that way actually see night time if you look careful you can see the fire come out in the barrel
@@mikha007 It's not likely to work with CO2 since the fuel doesn't contain its own oxidizer, unlike gunpowder. Oil is just hydrocarbons, you still need atmospheric oxygen to achieve combustion/detonation. There may be enough stray oxygen to make it work, but I doubt it.
@@mikha007doubt it. The oil needs oxygen to combust and the CO2 would preveng this.
Try using different combinations of mineral oil ,caster oil and nitromethane .You don't need to put it in the piston chamber just at the back of the pellet
Basically model airplane fuel.
@@richardl6751 pretty much anything that works of detonation through compression .Mineral oil caster oil .Oils that have a very low flash point
Nitro methane? Okay where's the average person going to find that? But a bit almost everybody has Vicks VapoRub at home in the medicine cabinet?
@@cowboy6452 As I said "Basically model airplane fuel."
Would this work if you put a few drops of the oil in the tin and shake the ammo around to coat them?
LMAO " Don't try this at home... okay, this is how you do it."
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Because Murica🤣🙄😷☘️🇮🇪⚽.
Definitely trying this at home.
I will step out the back door and try it.
@@danpollard4210 Definitely works, remember a little goes a long way k.
The smell of a dieseling barrel ! Childhood memories right there! Happy days
Indeed, I was about to say that to that gentleman who claims there is no combustion occuring... If you diesel an airgun it quite clearly smells burnt, and there is a smoke report. That ought to be proof enough... And the velocity increase can be quite surprising.
I had a cheap no-name Chinese spring compressed (with an underbarrel lever) .177 airgun that I tried this with and I am pretty confident that the pellets went supersonic (>1125 fps) when dieseled. Didn't chrono, but there were super loud cracks (for an airgun), sounded like a typical .22LR, and the air rifle target was thrashed.
Mad respect for your decision regarding not being in the business of using your channel to rip people off for monetary gain. Your content is more original and creative than many similar channels, your integrity and character quickly convinced me to sub. Keep up the great work of helping make RUclips truly entertaining and time well spent.
Thanks that was one of the nicest things I've ever heard! I hope you enjoy the big things coming up!
Love the way you say (several times) don't try this at home. You know we will though.
Wow original.....No one ever used compressed gas in a pellet rifel before! So original...
What was the point of this video? Click bait! If the rifling can't stabalize the pellet...And the chamber pressure is to high? Pellets fly everywhere! Faster is NOT better! Come up with original content! Do another video showing accuracy!!! We'll wait? BAM! I bet he up loads a video showing how accurate diesel-powered pellets are....THERE'S HUNDREDS OF VIDEOS SHOWING THIS MOD IS A WAIST OF TIME.....
@@hammerstoneartifacts4986 Use a heavier pellet and it is all good . We used to do this in the 60s / 70s and our groupings were good to go for our needs . But we then went onto converting air rifles to .22LR which was something only the bigger kids did and by bigger I mean the 14 year olds . . UK laws on firearms are dumb eh
Fuel to air ratio is crucial!
Every fuel has a specific range. Thanks for sharing 👍
I remade this video doing it the right way
Oils and spirits all need around 14:1 to 15:1 air to fuel ratio
Obviously, that ratio isn't very crucial, otherwise we wouldn't be reading about so many people getting it to work.
Petroleum jelly, and a smitging of powder from a .22 blank , an eyedrop of 91 prem. & JSB 33gr. pellets =🌋 low1624✅️🏌♂️ high1642🙆♂️👍🥂
But you gotta clean the barrel every 3 to 5 shots
@@davidelliott5843
@@someotherdudecrucial might not be the best word. Maybe optimal. Because a car fuel ratio could be off and still run and drive fine but your check engine light might come on saying your car is running rich or lean
In the 50's, my brother and I had noticed that the pellets were faster and the barrel blows a smoke right after cleaning the air rifle. After a few shots or so, the gun works normally. What did a 10 year old boy know about dieseling. It was a Crossman .22 pellet pump air rifle. Many years passed before we understood oil in the barrel adds power by diesel action. Thanks.
Yea thats how I found out about it lol
And I always just thought it was sealing and lubricating better that was giving more power.
I have about the same story, but I was a teen in the early 90's. I used old phone books as a backstop (still outside against a dirt mound, it was just to see how powerful each shot was compared to friends pellet guns/bb guns), and noticed after cleaning a couple of pellets would shoot clear through the phone book. So I started experimenting and figured out that if I just touched the tip of the oilcan to the back of each pellet after putting in the chamber, so that a tiny part of a drop stuck, it shot the fastest.
I still do that when I pull out that old RWS air rifle to this day.
@@patrickglaser1560 will the new wd40 formula that is sold work? its less flamable which may not matter.
we used to get lighters and turn them into flame throwers but you can't do that with the new stuff...not that i tried that in my wise old age....lol
@@utpharmboy2006 if they changed the formula for water displacement revision 40 don't you think they would change the number? So maybe the propellant changed and wd40 is still just fish oil with the stank removed? Food for thought
How the hell did i not know about this? I want to invent time travel just to give this information to my 10yr old self. 🎯🔫👏👏👏
I used Remoil in a newer pelgun. Takes time, but the seals turned into rocks!
Because you have been in Sleepy Mode, like the rest of us. If this is true? Our .177 and .22 Chinese lead pellets will come out of our 1100 fps break barrels at around 1300 to 1400 which means faster than a .22. I'm going to try this with the highest octane rating. Maybe 1oz of oil, diesel or whatever and add 20 drops of alcohol to the 1oz of oil for an excessively good projectile. You have to test a bit, you know? 😜
mushrooms
@@tommyyguunn6984The magical fungi... I like the way you think but hallucinogens would only make you THINK that you traveled back in time. According to science and cheesey si-fi movies you gotta have a big machine with flashy lights and synthesizer noises that breaks down your physical body into billions of particals and transports you back or forward throughout the space-time continuum. Or in new age terms, Bluetooth yourself through time 😆. Thats my theroy anyway and since i dont have a DMC Delorean, phone booth, Magic Harp or any mushrooms either for that matter, i gotta wait and see what happens the old fasion way.
@@umaxen0048 Its like applying potato gun theory to air rifles. I think your on to something. 👍
great demo .. 60 years ago I used to fill the hollow airgun pellet with oil and the pellet used to break the sound barrier . no one had crono,s in them days
I never thought that people did it that long ago! But daisy did make that one pellet gun made for dieseling, but I dont remember when they did that.
@@DustinDoesIt, I was doing this, in the early 60s. Discovered by accident, after oiling the rifle or pistol.
In the 1980s or 70s, there was a rifle that had an integrated oil injection device to provide a measured amount of oil. I think it may have been Spanish. I did it to my Webley Tempest as a 14: year old in the 80s. It shot straight through a wood panel gate that it would normally only go a few mm in!🥴😁
I still have my Tempest
Always wanted the Huricane
I mentioned before but I don't know if you read the comment or not, I shot through a steel entry door with a 177 caliber Gamo Whisper with Vicks Vapor Rub on the back of a Gamo Raptor pellet. Plus I've shot through 2 L ice four times with that same pellet and killed a coyote at 103 yards shooting it through the eyeball at night with raptor pellets. Boy do I sound like a Salesman for Gamo or what? No I don't work for them but it sure would be cool if I did?
It injected ether and was German. Weihrauch Barakuda EL54
@@kealke Thanks, that’s the trouble with 45 year old childhood memories, they tend to get a bit mixed up!😂I think the Spanish part was mixed up with a rather cool sounding/looking air rifle that had a (I think it was tubular) magazine that held quite a number of pellets, which, if I remember correctly 😬, self loaded as you cocked it, which seemed quite exotic at the time as none of the ones available locally had such a facility, being almost to a T, single shot, or 5 shot, as in the pneumatic Daisy Powerline.
It makes sense it would be ether as I would imagine oil would end up gumming up the rifle terribly.
I've been doing this for years, found it out by accident and ive never had a problem. Definitely not recommended but doesnt seem too destructive in my experience. But I recommend only one drop on the back of the pellet. It literally shoots a tiny flame. That first test had too much oil. Side by side comparison against sheet steel really shows the added power. I use a stainless steel bowl hanging from a string as a target. It also shows you if you're left/right high/low by how it spins and swings.
Yea I found out about it when I oiled my gun up cleaning it when I was a kid.
Dude be careful with half sphere targets. Shot one once and the BB circled back and hit me hard in the nose.
Same mate.learnt this in 1986 using to much 3in1on my airsporter 😁
When u put oil/diesel to the barrel and fire your shot the oil/diesel will ignite and send a shock back straight to the piston and the spring mechanism and breaking your spring or doing some other damage, don't ask how i know. Of course if u have a gas/pressure chamber rifle u wont have the risk.
Can I do this with a blowback pellet gun SA-10
I did this as a kid with 3 in 1 oil. Found out by accident after cleaning my break barrel pellet rifle. I remember testing it with phone books and with dieseling it would go through 2 phone books and without it would only go through 1
Thats the same way I found out.
WOW ! 53 and I've never heard of this until now. Have a heavy barrel .22 rifle still...
I had thought about it, but I assumed it must not work since I had never heard of anyone else speaking of doing it.
@@dumdiversaspapalbull1452 it works very well... without oil my .177 does around 1150 fps, it jumps by over 450 and cracks like a 22 mag with a touch of oil on the pellet skirt
@@timm.6391 yeah, I guess I’m gonna try my little clunker, and see if I can hear a noticeable crack difference since I don’t have a chronograph. I know you can hear a definite difference in my friend’s when using copper pellets. He gave me his old one. I really don’t have an area to shoot it, so I don’t.
You should add the oil to the back of the pellet, or even a small smear of Vaseline. That way you can control each shot. I've seen others do this with good success
Yes. Only one drop does the trick. Put a few drops in it won't all combust.
I heard the vasaline works good too and when you use it you don't gotta do it with every pellet
Yes In the back of the pellet lol. That’s all you need.
Yhea good for ruening your rifle! Haha
You are correct👍
Did the math. It's over twice as powerful with the oil, since energy=square of the velocity. Cool!
FYI it’s much easier to just fill the skirt of the pellets with petroleum jelly. It’s much easier to work with and any residue will lubricate.
The peefectt amount of oil is just a drop in the hollow back of the pellet.
I found out about dieseling by accident and it's funny to surprise a new shooter when they try it
No the perfect amount is none, because doing this will destroy the seals in your gun.
@@jonlackey9418
Is it funny to ruin the seals in your gun ?
But I suppose it doesn't really matter when you probably have a cheap $99 Chinese junker from Walmart.
Do whatever you want, the gun probably wasn't going to last all that long anyways.
@@TylerSnyder305I have a cheap spring loaded gun that I don't care about.
@@TylerSnyder305 you sound a bit like the male version of a Karen. It should go without saying that people are not going to do this with high end air guns.
Interesting demo and I have used the Vick's salve method for years in different brands of air rifle and not a hint of danger. You are kidding yourself if you think you can get away with saying, " this is dangerous; don't try this at home!" I promise you adults and kids alike are going to try this. I told my nephew years ago the same thing and it wasn't two days later I caught him doing it! I quit texting anyone and continue to put the Vick's in my pellets .
The more you're told NO, the more ya gotta do it.
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1. Put vasoline or Vicks in the cup of the pellet not directly in the barrel 2. Use it sparingly because the extra lube in the barrel butt fucks your accuracy, hence your problems with the rifle grouping straight. The rifle barrel comes with oil already in it, you clean it several times and then shoot about a box of pellets through it to remove the excess lube, then it starts grouping better.
It's not accurate when I'm not dieseling. Its because the gun is a dual caliber rifle and the barrel is removable, and the only thing that holds the barrel in is a screw. It's a terrible rifle lol
Now print some groups while dieseling the pellets and see how accuracy is effected.
I would but this rifle is very inaccurate even with the aftermarket scope.
@@DustinDoesIt bro, scopes dont improve the guns accuracy
@@lawofliberty3517 no but scopes allow more accurate shots because you can literally see further away. You can be more certain that you were aiming exactly where you wanted. That would allow a fairer test vs iron sights.
Clamping the gun down would allow a fair test without any scopes though 👍
@@MaNNeRz91 its a break barrel gun, you dont want to clamp it, you need to use the artillery hold.
@@Jenx1337 you can clamp before the hinge or on the stock or both
As a kid I used to make gas powered dart guns from a 500ml coke bottle and a 24 inch barrel from a towl rack, with a igniter from a click lighter and a dart from a nail with paper/tape cone.
I uses model aircraft fuel (methanol, nitromethane, oil) and found just a few drops was all it took to get a dart supersonic.
I found less is more with the fuel. It took me ages to get the right combination to get it supersonic, a nice satisfying 'crack' was my reward.
I could fire a nail through a wooden fence. 😀
I used to use that Cox model airplane fuel in my air rifle, back in the late 1960s.
I love reading and hearing stories like yours, "As a Kid I used to make......".
You sir are a fantastic person and by the sound of it has had a colorful childhood. Kids today lack that sense of ingenuity.
@@augustoboboyencarnacionjos7280
Thank you my friend, nice of you to say. 🙂
Growing up in the 80/90's if I wanted something my parents made me save up for it by washing cars and moving lawns...and they'd give me a little help too.
At age 12 in 1989 I desperately wanted a radio controlled helicopter, something that wasn't common in Australia at the time. 🇦🇺
I remember saving up the $1200 for years for it, but it was something that my dad and I could enjoy together.
I'd send him on parts buying trips when he was overseas doing business, and then he'd watch me learn to fly in the backyard. 😁
It was certainly an enjoyable time.😀
@@johno9507 I also worked hard as a kid in our family business and saved up to buy RC stuff. 1984 I was able to buy my first heli, a GMP Cricket, .30 nitro heli fixed pitch. Hard work always pays off in the end. Your character exudes the excellence of your parents. Something that is lacking in people now days.
@@augustoboboyencarnacionjos7280
Haha that's funny, my first heli was a 1989 GMP Rebel .40 and fixed pitch. (A heli not well known in Australia)😀
After beating that around the backyard and trimming a few bushes with it, I upgraded to a Hirobo Shuttle ZZX.
My science teacher even asked me to fly it for the class...what better way to spend a double period at school! 😁
On a business trip to LA my dad even got a guided tour of their factory in Calabasas by Greg Milosevich and John Gorham. 😀
It is sad to see the decline of kids and their hobbies these days.
Honestly I can't think of anything worse than growing up with all the social media these days, I really don't think it has a positive effect on kids.
I've used Vics Vaporub in 2 of my air rifles & the boost in FPS is incredible! My Gamo Shadow spring rifle went from 1100 fps to 1400 fps in .177 caliber. My .22 caliber sidelever spring rifle went from 950 fps to 1150 fps. The deiseling is pretty amazing. I'm gonna try 3 in 1 oil in my new Gamo Whisper nitro piston rifle. I bet it'll be pretty impressive. Thanks for posting this video! 🤠👍🤯
What size pellets are you using 177 or 22? And what pellets? I want to try some of the pba alloy pellets but they cost a fortune!
Where did you put the vapor rub? on the back of the pellett or in the chamber?
@@spartacusantipas4580 put it in the back of the pellet otherwise the pressure will be reversed and thats very dangerous
@@henochjonker2225 Thanks!
@@henochjonker2225 that doesn't make sense. The pressure will act in all directions
I used to do this as a kid, for all the reasons already stated - noise, smoke and perceived increase in power (didn’t have speed traps in those days!) However, I did quickly realise that the grouping suffered terribly - accuracy went down the pan. As I was keen to actually hit what I aimed at I desisted. Not sure why accuracy suffered so, but if I were to hazard a guess I would say that the rifling twist was designed for a particular MV range and when you increase that by 50% the pellet just gets stripped, and ends up tumbling. Best guess anyway…
I have used an old ex Boer war air rifle with an ether chamber built into it. Very very effective!
Just make sure the pellets are covered in oil. When I was a kid we had the pellets in our mouth with a tablespoon of cooking oil when hunting birds. Later on we just poured the oil straight in the pellet canister.
I've had a few people say they do that!
Nice childhood story. But probably not a good idea with lead pellets
@@schmarrenheimer80
Why not?
@@kruse8888lead as a heavy metal can be long-term toxic to your body. So don't put it in your mouth.
I miss strike anywhere matches. I use to superglue the tip of the match to flat pellets and set squirrel nest on fire 🔥. It makes a nice pop sound when hitting a solid surface.
I did this 30+ years ago. I didn't know they stopped making strike anywhere matches. I am sad. Man we had it so good back before all the safety regulations took place.
I wish there wasn't so many regulations now!
I've done this too years ago!😂
In my country i could order them and they came via mail. haha
Good tip, thanks. :)
Yup, I used to do that with RC model compression ignition fuel in the early 70's I got quite a 'crack' when it ignited.
I used a plastic pipette type bottle, with a rolled up cotton rag inside it. and half filled it with RC model diesel fuel. the cotton cloth acted like a wick and filled the top half with vapour, and of course some sprayed into the air gun cylinder. It was very effective.
when I add oil, I use it very sparingly (1 drop). the fps increases by 50-60 ft per second which is fast enough to stabilize slugs accurately out to 45 yds with my benjamin trail np in .22 @ 930pfs. secondly, the hades pellet is blistering fast and accurate for longer range. I don't usually shoot this method, but when I run across a wild hog or javelina, small game at distance the extra power comes in handy. a banny rooster gone wild on my bulls learned the hard way. at 45 yds his head came off. he never attacked another bull. and the cats got a good meal.
charming tale. thx
Fill the back of the hollow pellet with vaseline!
THAT IS HOW TO DEISEL A PELLET!!!!!
You'll get way over 1000 fps. 👍
That’s insane!!!
Can’t wait to try that on my neighborhood cats!
Just pour some cooking oil in the pellet tin, it gets in the hollows and grooves and kills rabbits.
Cool!
@@mechanicman8687
Enjoy your time in jail
Vicks Vapor Rub is dabomb!
80 years ago, I had a daisy BB gun. I didn't have money to buy BBs, so I used grape seeds. The shots would penetrate a hard cover book. I forgot how far in they went. The moist outer part of the seed was a perfect seal for compression.
And I used crumpled up aluminum foil. That's funny.
Awesome both of you. Adapt and overcome
I have and old daisy one pump BB gun that I use to shoot kitchen matches out of, I’d cock the gun drop a match down the barrel shoot it at the sidewalk or any hard surface and the match would pop and light up to about 20 feet, I would shoot into a pile of leaves 10 to 15 feet away and it would light it.
About 52 years ago I got a Daisy for my eighth birthday, but my mom insisted to my dad that I not have BBs yet. Of course my folks had no problem with me playing with it without adult supervision since I didn’t have any BBs. But they didn’t know that I quickly realized I could use small pebbles instead. But I wasn’t convinced they were actually working, so I put a little pebble in the barrel, put a finger over the end of it, and pulled the trigger.
Yep, it shot pebbles! I had a bloody finger tip to show for it! But I didn’t tell my parents about it. I just learned my lesson, and had fun shooting pebbles until they finally got me BBs.
That was 1969, around the same time I had a firecracker blow up in my hand. Never told them about that either. 😎
We used eucalyptus berrys to shoot flies in the cow poo
The burning oil scorches the piston seal and can cause the mainspring to break. In the U.K. it can make a spring piston air rifle illegal.
Just a drop in the back of the pellet works just the same happy hunting
OIL IN SKIRT OF PELLET!!!
we use to oil our pellets...
paraffin is better
Vege oil, car oil, 3 in 1, Vaseline, parafin, many choices, even waste oils, work. Happy hunting
Yep. If ya put it down the cylinder and diesel it in there it knackers the piston seal
Came to say the same thing...
How did I not know about this… thank you for letting me know and thanks to everyone in the comments!
Over time the seals are damaged. You are right about the safety concerns.
I appreciate the candid manner of your experiment. your theory is correct only consider this: each cosecutive shot has the chamber ever increase in temperature. the residual heat from the detonation and simple heat from compression c. ompound this. when the metal gets hot enough it startes vaporising the remaining fuel making each detonation larger than the last. it takes a couple shots to reall y bang. if you want better quicker power curve increase, blow in the chamber and evacuate the expended fuel and the more air the bigger the bang.
I press the pellet in a 1/8 inch , then a drop in the skirt of the pellet . And they are more precise in around 900 fps
THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT RIGHT INSIDE THE SKIRT OF THE PELLET INSTEAD OF DROWNING THE INSIDE
YES THATS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT PUT IT INSIDE THE SKIRT ITS THE BEST WAY
YES YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY RIGHT I DONT FUCKING KNOW GOD DAMNIT!!!!!
@@Areschanke WHY ARE YOU ALL YELLING!!!!!!!!????????
I think I read complaints that Stoeger used too much oil in their assembling of their air guns with advise on shooting the oil out before attempting to take advantage of the suppressor.
I was doing this 30yr ago with my two Daisy air rifles. Easily rip right through the garage tin roof and, now I know why...thanks for the information👍
Excellent I’ll watch the video now! I got caught in the comments and I have to say that everyday it amazes me how many people struggle with simple physics! It’s entertaining for all of the mechanic’s and technicians! And even just smarter people that have actually done things in real life!
Mind your head on your way out .
Try actual diesel fuel. You need a high cetane number. The opposite of "octane." With diesel you WANT ease of auto-ignition.
Exactly. It's the flashpoint of the fuel. Many people don't know this, nor did I until I started drag racing, but the HIGHER the octane in gasoline? The higher the temperature needs to be to ignite it. That's why high-performance engines, which have higher compression ratios, will knock if you use a low octane gas. Knock is also called pre-detonation. It's when the gas ignites before the spark plug fires. This is caused by the higher compression and also hot spots in the cylinder. So, the higher octane gas has a higher flashpoint, which basically means it takes more energy to ignite it. Even some not-so-performance cars will knock on regular gas. So, if your car doesn't knock on regular, don't buy premium thinking it makes more power. The BTU's are the same. The ONLY difference is the flashpoint. Cetane on the other hand, is the opposite, as you said.
Add some gasoline with the diesel mix in varying % increases ignition.
Fill the back of the pellet rather than down the chamber
yea-- with magnesium wire from camera flash
yeah, a single drop in the skirt is all it needs
Thats also what come up in my mind when checking this out.
@@michaelagin7076 ............ and better if it's paraffin. trust me
Vicks vapor rub in the pellet works well according to a video I saw a few years back, the benifit, it does not run out, and the can be preloaded. The down side, it may destroy the "O" ring.
I found out about that accidentally after cleaning my .177 pump pellet rifle. I tried it out on my spring piston .25 rifle. It went from low 600s to just over 1000fps. It was blowing through 3/4" plywood. Thanks for the video
Your welcome thats how I found out about it!
I fix air guns and it destroys piston seals and brakes springs
@@johanwamokolobetsi6094 will it damage pcp in the long run?
@@rossclarke8028 a pcp should never be able to diesel I will not say it cannot but you should never use flammable liquids to lubricate them But always use a silicone base lubricant
@@rossclarke8028 PCP shouldn't be able to do it because it decompresses gas from pressurised cartridge. Piston guns compress air in the chamber therefore heating it up. PCP would actually cool the gas down.
I’m going to try it out now. I’m 59 and love plinking in the backyard more now than ever!!!
Watch my last video it shows you how to do it even better and more accurate
@@DustinDoesIt will do. Thanks
I like to use wd40 and put a light coating on all the pellets in the can and shake them up gently. Don't soak the pellets just enough to wet them...
Keep a rag handy to wipe the fingers of excess oil (smirk) before closing the breach and touching the stock with greasy fingers! lol I always give my pellets a light coating oil right after i open a tin. Oops I put a little too much Oil, That always happens! (snicker) Cheers
Try diesel.:)
I've known this since the early 1960's when I was a kid shooting my BB guns. Of course, I did not have any way to track the speed. Instead, my measure of BB gun power was the impact on a nearby tin barn. The BB would travel much farther, much faster, and hit with greater impact. Hope this doesn't come across as being a know-it-all, but back in those days I tried lots of things to get my BB guns up to power.
Same here in 61’ after a couple drops of gun oil the pellets penetrate better. My crosman 760 pump smokes battery at 10 pumps with a drop of Hoppe’s pew pew !!
I have a couple of Daisy BB guns, where did you put the oil?
"I'm just doing this to see what happens"... 3 minutes later with massive grin and cocaine high... "NINE HUNDRED AND SIXTY FPS!!!!!" *Uncontrollable grin*
Yes in the 80's we would just fill the back of the slug with grease and it would always make a real "crack" sound and you can clearly smell and see a wif of smoke in the air, but it was always a pretty much measured amount each time.
what kind of grease?
@Aidan B. some used Vaseline, so I think any kind of petroleum refined grease would do, it's much easier than oil and less messy, I used axil grease just because it was there, but if you can find something more volatile like Moreys or lithium grease go for it 😉.
I put WD-40 onto the pellet. Wow! Big difference! I sprayed a little into a container and used a medicine dropper on the back of the pellet.
I heard some people fill their pellet tin with oil! I thought that was pretty unique!
I would imagine the faster the shots the better the result. Atomization of the "fuel/air" is paramount. The stoichiometric ratio is the key.
They say to put a drop in the skirt of a pellet for a more accurate and measured results.
ye da stomachioeclectic ratio
ye, dats what i said
That is the same principle that a fire piston works on. Hard, Fast, air pressure can & does ignite as long as there’s a fuel source. Drier lint works great 👍🏼,
I've done it with vaseline. And there's no need to put it down the chamber. You can put a drop of oil right in the back of the pellet or the Vaseline right in the back of the pellet. That single drop worth of oil or Vaseline is enough to ignite with the compression. My 22 cal pellet rifle would crack a slate roof slab about a half inch thick with a large radius of the stone chipped out, but bounce off without; but with Vaseline would punch a hole straight through the slate nice and clean with very little blowout on the back meaning it was traveling quite fast.
Yea thats the way I should have done it.
Use vaselene, instead of oil, applying it to the rear of the pellet.
I believe it increases the speed, but you'll be able to measure that yourself.
You're welcome.
If the chrono doesnt register the dieseling, got videos of it giving stupid readings. In fact one video have that Caldwell in IR sat in between a CED M2 Millenium on IR also, only one registered the correct reading the Caldwell so wild it was unreal
Thanks for the rant about pellets! I've been trying to buy some Crosman .22 cal domes at my local Walmart for months. I stopped yesterday at the store and they had received a shipment within the last day. The clerk told my one guy was in an hour before me and bought all 18 tins! Jerk!
I hate that why do they let someone buy them all?
Ace hardware sells pellets
What I've used that works when put in the skirt of the pellet. (One drop or so)
5w30 synthetic motor oil
Remington Gun oil
Motorkote
Silicon oil
Actual diesel
Lucas gun oil (red and green)
Anything thicker does not atomize enough, and it's less likely to diesel up.
Also this can brake your spring so use at your own discretion.
Us men get so excited and happy over the simplest things... I'm right there with ya though buddy. My cheeks are hurting from smiling so much! 😆👍
This simply makes a better seal. Diesel will not self ignite below 220-250psi. Well below the pressure of an air rifle. I’m not here getting paid for an educational seminar presented to mental 10yr olds, so just enjoy your “marvelous” find. Reminds me of the time when I was 3 and I thought I could dig a hole to China.
if you don't know much about air rifles just say so
If you could please show this math you pretend to have done , I could correct it for you...
Fun fact: these will shoot a Q-Tip into Sheetrock
Spit balls too haha 😂
@ John
Bottle rocket sticks too
@@laszloujlaki2145 🤔 works just fine for me 🤷🏼♂️
@@jasonfoster9118 lol that’s awesome I never thought about that
Kinetic energy goes up as the velocity squared (for a given mass) - 963 squared divided by 640 squared is 2.26 - the energy more than doubles.
Wasn't looking for this... glad I found it.
Vicks vapor rub is the best
That's what I use.
Tam's other half
For rubbish g on balls 🤣
how I'd been dieseling for decades, keep the tin about 1/4 full of WD-40.
it gets into the back side of the pellets, surface tension keeps them 1/2 full.
the wet ahead of the skirt films the barrel, helps skirt seal, reduces friction.
until 17-18 months ago had no idea about the ignition, but it does it.
20+ years of that with a Daisy 880, it put up with it just fine.
wouldn't put oil into the compression chamber directly like that ever,
keep it in the pellets. the accuracy of that rifle maybe needs finding what pellet brand+type+weight that it likes, what's great in one can be BAD in another.
been having good results with Daisy pointed in the Crosman 760 BB gun..
the 760 is a smooth bore, Daisy field points have the flute detail skirts.
The thicker the oil, the thicker the "vapor" made by the pressure of compression. IT IS A REAL Danger! There is/has not been, explosion, as yet, inside the chamber! When there "IS" and explosion inside the chamber, there will be one hell of an explosion OUTSIDE the chamber to go with it!
@@edwardanthony195 ...calm down, no need to be dramatic, it’s just a drop or 2 of oil, they not inserting a stick of TNT in the chamber, there won’t be any exploding guns, the expanding gas releases a behind the pellet & will cause wear to the seals, it’s not enough to tear apart the cylinder, it may crack a weakened one but no explosion...relax.
I like to use a little bit of gunpowder that I hold in place with a small brass capsule and at the bottom of the capsule I like to put a tiny little primer although once I've done all this I find the pellet isnt heavy enough so I usually put a heavier chunk of lead that I kinda just attach to the little brass capsule I was talking about earlier.
Now I know all that sounds long winded and its early days in my experimentation but trust me guys those lead chunks move with some real speed and accuracy.
I'm thinking of calling them
Bulked up lead launching engagement tools
Or BULLET for short?? Not 💯 on the name yet but the concepts solid I'm sure of it
I have an ebay pellet gun I got as a gift a few years ago. Just a .177 backyard plinker. The box advertised 1200fps and it was pretty close to that. Slowest shot was 1080 something and the highest was 1160 something. I just put a small amount of baby oil down the barrel for lube and managed 1300-1400fps. Sounded like a .22 firearm. Funny enough it's more accurate than my .22 out to 200 yards. But that's about the max I'm getting consistently. I've hit a target out at 400 yards which is insane for a .177 but I'd hit like 2 out of 5 shots and the groupings were nearly a foot apart.
I use Vicks vapor rub in the back end of the pellet that will surprise the hell out of yeah. Give that a whirl I use it all the time in my hunt yes it can ruin your o-rings but I always clean them out with rubbing alcohol about every 6 to 10 shots
And it sorts your blocked nose out at the same time!
I only saw one comment or somebody syud to put the oil in the skirt of the pellet. For my understanding over the years that is what people do. The oil has something to do with rapid expansion under compression, giving you a small boost of power.
That only works with vaseline because it'll stay in the skirt of the pellet.
@@DustinDoesIt fill your tin about 1/4 full of WD-40. surface tension keeps the cavity about 1/2 full pretty consistently. wet on the outside keeps the barrel lightly filmed (smaller diameter) and reduces friction same time helps skirts seal travelling down the barrel.
A lil Vicks salve at rear of pellet detonates perfectly. Im already a thousand shots in with dieseling with no adverse effects... yet
What's a vics?
I’ve done this with my springer, I assumed that it just lubed it up and it was working better, but this makes sense to me now. I could hear a noticeable difference in the sound and could smell the burnt oil, cool video.
Just to be correct, this is not dieseling. Most spring piston air guns diesel a little with every shot. What you are doing is called detonation. An airgun that is dieseling is burning off a small amount of oil in the compression chamber. A detonation is when the oil explodes in the barrel. At the least it will ruin seals, springs, piston. I've heard of airguns blowing apart but I've never personally seen that. This is caused by the tremendous heat generated by the air compression, up to 1000 degrees for a thousandth of a second at the pellet port.
I live in the uk and we have sub 12ft/lbs limit which is not fair lol, but I have tried this before a few times, I normally used vix, or a drop of gun oil in the skirt of the pellet, it works a treat. Anyways I love watching videos like this. If I had the choice of any air rifle I would go back to my old Daystate Air Ranger in .22, or my Theoben Rapid 7, I had to get rid of them, but I have a few air rifles left.
A quick spray of WD40 or similar into the open can of pellets is all that is required for best results . I have found accuracy is still good . cheers.
Yeah I use a silicon lubricant that way. I shoot a couple dieseled pellets after about 200 regular shots. Blows the lead build up out of the barrel.
I just the Gamo Swarm Whisper 22 cal. At 50 Yards it dead money, I taped A Quarter, Nickel, Dime and a Pennie to a 1 1/4 inch PVC Pipe in the Ground then marked out 50 Yards off my Back Deck at my Home, I nail the Quarter never hit the others yet but I ran out of Daylight. Today I will hit all three that are left. It has the 10 Shot Vertical Cartridge, A Scope that is On Point.
The best way is to put a drop in the back of the pellet.
This will wear out the rubber seals on your rifle.
The barrel/frame "O" ring is easy to replace, however, the piston seal is not easy to replace.
I wore a hole in my screen trying to read more. Good job 😂
@@mattwhatevz The seals are made for a set pressure. Dieseling significantly increases pressures, damaging the O ring and piston seal.
www.airgundepot.com/vault/articles/warning-warning/
airgunplanet.com/what-is-airgun-dieseling-and-how-dangerous-is-it-really/
@@Absaalookemensch yes I ruined 177 caliber CO2 pistol using BB's in olive oil it was fun while it lasted but I don't think it lasted more than 100 just a little over a hundred BB's and then it ruined it
The oil is supposed to be placed in the skirt. I’ve got over 1600fps with my gamo .177 and liquid wrench oil
I'm not only doing this, I'm doing it on a regular basis.
Would my 22 with legal uk limit for fpe work with this? What’s the risk ?
Does it hurt the gun?
@@panpeter2969 it hasn't yet.
@Bantham Nobilis Or learn how to replace the seals? You don't need to buy a new car if the fuel tank runs out...
@@dangerousdoggo5465 no but if you blow every goddamn gasket and seal on the engine you might as well get rid of the bitch lol
Back in the day, carbureted gas engine were known to do this “dieseling” or some may know it as run on effect. Once you turn off the ignition, the engine would continue to run on several cylinders. This is generally caused by a few factors. The carburetor itself not functioning as it should, carbon and oil oil build up on top of pistons and or cylinder heads, which can continue to ignite any residual unburnt fuel and possibly ignition timing being off as well.
Lol yes it works but throwing oil n shit down the cylinder is sure destroying that gun..what i do is just throw a spoon of oil into the tin of pellets and shake it up a lill..I have 7 air rifles in 7.7 and .22 cal and I find a marginal difference in power and acuracy with all of them..it also keeps the barrel nice and clean and longer lasting..huge break barrel fan here 😉👍... ( recap, no oil, pellets must be dry n clean if you want your pellet gun to last, and specialy no oil in the piston chamber 👎), but fun experiment if you don't care bout your rifle though lol 😜👍
Don't do this at home, whoops already done that. Don't disassemble that gun at home. I met 2 kids who lost eyes disassembling a gun to try and increase the fire power. That's a powerful spring in there.
lmao no you didn't. i don't know what's wrong with old people making shit up all the time
@@schlomoshekelstein908 Unfortunately not made up, one was a friends son. The other was in the next bed to my dad in the eye hospital.
@@peterdurnien9084 take a picture of his eye socket or it didn't happen. was he lookinjg straight down the tube when he released the nut and it shot right into his eyeball? what made him think he could increase the power if he doesn't even know how to take it apart safely?
@@schlomoshekelstein908 well that was when I was about 22, I am now 68 and I have no idea where they live now. I do’t know what they were doing to the gun except that they both got the same injury while dismantling the gun.
@@peterdurnien9084 You're full of kak.
The best way for dieseling is placing the oil BEHIND the pellet.right in the hollow behind it.that way when it ignites its pushing forward,not around the pellet.
I found simple petroleum jelly behind the skirt... 😉 ♥
That’s what I was thinking. I wonder what it’s doing to the o-ring. I would think that some of the pressure is blowing by it. I’d like to see him try it with a fatter o-ring.
What are you talking about? any oil place behind the pallet is going to diesel behind the pellet!
Are you talking to me?
@@randallsmerna384 exactly!pushing it in the oposite direction wich is....forward!
1 drop in the back of the pellet after you put the pellet in works best in mine and it stays about the same shoots a good group
I didn't know the piston compresses the air AFTER you pull the trigger.
I thought when you break-open the rifle, you compress the air in a tube and create high pressure BEFORE firing, and then you pull the trigger, release the compressed air, as how a PCP gun works.
I wonder why engineers choose that way of operation?
You get more power that way. The old hand pump pellet rifles just didn't have the kind of power the new rifles have.
That was interesting. While the pellet speed increased by 65%, using a projectile energy calculator shows that the energy more than doubles, from about 13 foot pounds to 31 foot pounds.
Dang, I should have done an energy calculation for the video!
Double velocity and energy quadruples. E=M TIMES V SQUARED.
"This is a dangerous thing to do, don't do it, no need to do it."
Me: "I want to do it."
Honestly though. I rather leave it subsonic because if you go supersonic to subsonic your accuracy is gonna be crap.
I remember when I got my Gamo air rifle it came with tin pellets that were lighter to reach supersonic but it would only be supersonic for a really short distance.
Yea all I shoot is lead pellets im not a fan of those pba pellets
In this video, the shot is still subsonic, just has 116% more power
use the lead, stay away from other materials... If you are going for speed, use pointed, the hollowpoint will tend to start tumbling despite the rifling in the barrel.
@@PurpleArcPlasma 116%? Did you watch the whole video?
@@Areschankeit depends how you want to take the numbers. I think when I calculated it, I had used the a different average. Using the 963 fps for the dieseled average, its actually 126% more energy than the nondieseled shots. And I did watch the video entirely the first time, but I went back for a second look.