1.30.19 the church released an announcement that they are uncertain of any archeological proof of the book of Mormon. They attested that they are not concerned with the proof of the book of Mormon, only in its message. That's a hard pill to swallow.
Rick McGhee Well that's only the deeper feeling in our spiritual soul that speaks out, otherwise they are as interested in all archaeology is any other archaeologists in the world are.. They do understand that most of the world wants evidence scientific evidence for everything now. Their Scholars are consistently studying I'm gaining more knowledge than most other people about the archaeology of this religion I am a Latter-Day Saint and I believe I understand that so nothing more tours is important that's what the immortal truth is and knowing that we will only have one grain of truth even if we possessed everything possible in this world it's still just two grain your trillions and trillions uncountable truths that we could never find out within one lifetime. But to feel the sweetness of the Turning spirit in your heart cannot be replaced once we receive that we do have faith and trust in the church in the LDS Church we will leave the archaeology discoveries up to those our Scholars,, for they are our greater minds..........
@Rick McGhee In the March 2019 edition of "Discover Magazine" on page 26, is an article "A Lost World Emerges." The author is Nathaniel Scharping. The article is about a 2016 LIDAR scanning of about 800 square miles around Tikal in northern Guatemala. This is just a fraction of the former Maya territory which spanned thousands of square miles, yet the LIDAR revealed some 60,000 previously unknown structures. So far, the group, led by archaeologist Thomas Garrison, has uncovered other unknown city-states near Tikal with limestone roads running from city to city. Unexpectedly, the group found Maya structures built expressly for defensive warfare. These include ditches, moats, ramparts, high walls, fortresses, and a series of watch towers. Many of these surround or are near the major cities. In one place the group uncovered a mound of sling stones which could have been potential ammo from over 1,000 years ago. The findings closely match the fortifications Captain Moroni caused to be built, as described in the Book of Mormon in Alma 49-50.
What are you saying 'That's a hard pill to swallow.' Yes, faith can be hard at times, but is necessary to follow God. The more I study the Bible, Book of Mormon, other scriptures, and I really must include ancient and modern writings, the more faith I have. They seem to go hand in hand. But, to get to a level of understanding things about God, faith is required and precedes the act of studying. And, for some, viewing this video is considered an act of study.
@@junekroner6382 I guess growing up Mormon and being told since day 1 that the BOM was based on the Indians of Central America, etc., and know the church is now saying it doesn't really matter, is the hard pill to swallow. I didn't even know that JS "translated" the BOM with a rock in the hat either, or that he had 34 wives and that Emma was the 23rdthat was sealed to him. I don't deem that as faith, I conclude that to be deception.
@@Cryptosifu I've heard that some people think the General Authorities have deceived them over the decades. I've never really known anyone who believes this. I joined the Church when I was 27 years old. I was raised Lutheran. As a Lutheran, I was taught to think independently and find out for myself who God is, what place does the Bible have in my life (ex.: Is it the truly God's word, do I want to read it ) and that Jesus loves me and to be good and kind to others as Jesus is. I was also taught that I can talk to God and he can talk to me in my heart of hearts. I say this because, I want to explain that I and many, many other protestants were given a foundation of independent thinking and searching for truth. I live in what I've been told is the 'mission field.' I think most of us who were raised protestants and independent from multiple LDS generations, understand that we have to gain knowledge of what is true through more than what a teacher teaches, from more than what our parents taught us. Members of the Church are human, and humans make mistakes. We can get offended by other LDSs, because people make mistakes. We can also let it roll off our backs. You mention you were deceived. That truly is a 'hard pill to swallow.' I empathize with your feelings that you were deceived. But not concerning the information you mentioned. Maybe, there is comfort in knowing that everyone gets deceived about something at one time or another. I can refer you to an author who speaks about the variable subjects you mention of this sort members and anti-mormons discuss. But, I don't remember his name right now. I can find out.... If you are interested, I will send you information so you can look him up.
I have been a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for 42 years. I have a great testimony of the gospel--it's the people I can't stomach from dishonest bishops to the many cliques in wards. No wonder so many people leave the church. Even President Hinckley said that it's the people of the church who cause members to leave. I don't think this is how the Lord intended his true church to be ran, but reality is reality.
I feel your concerns. It pains me to say that what you say here is most definitely true. A culture has been fostered where a lot of members are very difficult to get along with. I think a lot of it is overreaction to the word of God, and His prophets. I have actually met members that would eat meat sparingly (not considering that its way past the exodus from the Eastern United States).
@@JohnSmith-hh6ci yeah I think I understand what you're saying and it bothers me too that some people in the church act like they're more concerned with living the Mosaic law then the gospel restored by Jesus Christ and the way that it was very very different from the Mosaic law. it is different. Moses law had no Grace there's no grace of God in the laws. the letter of the law killeth it is a spirit which giveth life. that spirit is Grace
It’s another doctrine altogether and contrary to the word of God. It contradicts who God says He is. God has proven His word, the Holy Bible with prophecies that were thousands of years into the future. Only He knows the end from the beginning and all things in between.Isaiah 46:9-10, 9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: He is the Great I AM. Yet, the Mormons are following the doctrine of a man that is less than 200 years old. I left the Mormon church about 3 years ago because it’s teachings are contrary to the words of God himself.
Her conjectures are wrong. Anyone who pays attention while reading the Book of Mormon will know it takes place on both the North and the South continents. The Southern continent was settled first. Hundreds of years later, people began to explore and settle the Northern one. By the end of the history, the final wars are conducted, it would seem, along the East Coast of North America.
You people actually believe this? This is a different gospel. We have to reject it or we can’t claim Jesus Christ. I love you all enough to tell you this, GOD Bless you 🙏🏼
This information contains so much speculation . . . Here are some facts that call into question the historicity of the Book of Mormon: 1. Never has one coin, sword, shield, cimeter, writing, or any other artifact been connected with the Book of Mormon story. 2. The Hill Cumorah, where Mormon's last battle was fought, is in New York State, thousands of miles from MesoAmerica. Joseph clearly stated that the known Cumorah is the very place. 3. Joseph's teachings suggested North America.
What would you know, about the assumptions of the book of Mormon?! Have you read it?!. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God. 👇 Apostle James Talmage wrote, "...who, in his right mind could for one moment suppose the Bible in its present form to be a perfect guide? Who knows that even one verse of the Bible has escaped pollution." (Divine Authority of the Book of Mormon, p. 47) Joseph Smith himself said, "Many insertions were made, some of them 'slanted' for selfish purposes, while at times deliberate falsifications and fabrications were perpetrated" (As Translated Correctly, p. 4). The translation of the King James bible was done by people working for king James. The latin Vulgate was done by papal scholars. The Lutheran (German translation) was done by Martin Luther. And so on. Each version of the bible reflected the understanding and biases of the translators. This is why we have to temper our belief with the clause "as far as it is translated correctly." On top of that the source documents for each of the translations have unverifiable provinances themselves. Many forget that many portions of The Book of Mormon came in the middle of The Old Testament and before The New Testament. Why do we even need the book of Mormon when there is the Bible already? The problem is that the rest of Christianity reads the bible and they can't agree on many points of doctrine, The Book of Mormon is a companion to the Bible that helps clear up some of those points and clarifies others. It helps to put down false doctrines and establish correct ones.
For those of you who don't accept the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, could you please take a step back from your accusations and negativity? Let's treat everyone as the Savior would, with respect and tolerance. No matter what Christian denomination you associate yourself with, we all worship Christ and follow his teachings; Mormons included.
Think about it: if there were a shred of truth to what Joseph taught, the papyri would be the oldest original Biblical document by more than 1,000 years. WOW!!! You can't tell me that would not be the greatest archaeological find of the 19th century. Yet, amazingly, nobody outside the church seems at all interested. Can you explain why the world has such a lack of interest?
As a non-Mormon, the people in the comments need to grow up. A lot of people who don't actually know anything about Mesoamerica except what they have picked up by skimming some criticisms of LDS apologetics. Go read what Michael Coe has said about Sorenson- obviously disagrees with him strongly, but has praised his scholarly work and lauded him as a genuine scholar. Sometimes people just disagree. There's no grand conspiracy to lie to you.
The Book of Mormon is a thoroughly complex and integrated ancient record with over a hundred named characters and a chronology and internal geography that stay consistent through numerous subplots, flashbacks, journeys and lengthy sermons. The narrative is complex and can be difficult to follow. The negative comments on this video are coming from non scholarly and incompetent individuals that have not studied or even read the Book of Mormon.
I am wondering whether the reason for many of the comments is because people forget that this documentary if BY members of the LDS church FOR members of the LDS church. They are not trying to convince non-members to believe in the Book of Mormon. They are trying to figure out where the different locations in the B of M could have been. They are going from the premises that the people watching are people who already believe in the book as a true record.
Aubergine1941 Believing in a book that you believe is true, Doesn't make it true !!! A book, That is, any said historical book making claims that talks about a people, places (fortified cities like *Zarahemla* ), tools (coins, swords, chariots), And alike. Would have many, Many, MANY external evidences to support it (The said historical book) Today we can go to Bethany, Bethlehem, Baal-hazor, Capernaum, Damascus, Galilee And many, Many MANY, more places, And find external evidences to support them, (coins, swords, chariots). External evidences supports the claims that are made in the HOLY BIBLE about a people, places, tools, and alike. So far, I don't see evidence for the BoM. Again I ask : Any chance that you could find out for me where Zarahemla is.!!!
Jesus Defender Copying and pasting early word change examples from the 1830 edition and the 2013 edition does not mean that you have read or studied the Book of Mormon. Further it does not make you look intelligent as to know the Book of Mormon
Dane Hoover The book of Mormon is the best book on earth we have to help us draw nearer to Jesus Christ. There is a promise at the end of the book that if heeded can change the way anyone looks at this book. It takes Faith. "And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. 5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things." This is the essence of my testimony of the Book of Mormon. The Holy Ghost will witness to any honest seeker of truth the validity of the Book of Mormon. It has for millions. It has for me. I absolutely love the Book of Mormon!!
There was a mention of codices from ancient mesoamerican civilizations, do any of these mention Jared or Lehi or Nephi or Laman. Any archaeologist will tell you you cannot completely hide an entire civilization. Even if you erase the names you cannot hide the innovations, the offspring of the animals, the metallurgy or many of the different details that the book of Mormon claims which would have been beneficial to those who destroyed the nephites. Those things simply do not match. You claim that the languages must have changed over time, and yet the entire book was written in reformed Egyptian which must have been brought with them or developed by the peoples of mesoamerica. Yet, no examples of this are in the codices of mesoamerica. For the most correct book in history you would expect to find things that just aren't there.
I respectfully submit that there is NO scientific archeological evidence for any evidence of Book of Mormon presence in the new world. The truth hurts, doesn't it?
When someone says that scholars think this or believe that, etc., they are saying that there is a belief among scholars that such in such is true. You have to go to their reference page/s to find the specific scholars mentioned.
@@junekroner6382 said, When someone says that scholars think this or believe that, etc., they are saying that there is a belief among scholars that such in such is true. You have to go to their reference page/s to find the specific scholars mentioned. ***************************************** 1. Thank you for stating the obvious. 2. Where in the documentary are the references listed, specified, or stated?
@@nedthumberland If I wanted to read the references I would look in the packaging of the CD or video. If it was not there I would contact the makers of the film.
@@junekroner6382 said, If I wanted to read the references I would look in the packaging of the CD or video. If it was not there I would contact the makers of the film. ****************************** It is the presenter's/speaker's duty to provide the references, not the audience's. It is extremely irresponsible as a presenter or an interviewee who speaks on a topic of such importance and weight to randomly mention "32 scholars" without at least mentioning a few of them in a so-called "documentary" like this. A responsible producer or editor of a "documentary" would edit that part out instead of keeping it without the references listed or stated somehow.
I would love to hear these people on the video discuss the steel swords, the wheel, chariots, horses, elephants, and other anachronisms in the book of mormon.
@@marceabecerras2661the “info” also supplied by the Mormons? Amy outside info/research refutes the teachings of ol Joe the non-profit. Your “heavenly father” is blasphemy to the ONLY true god. The only God there ever was. The only God there is. The only God there ever will be. Isaiah 45: 5-12 Come to Christ and repent. Not the brother of Satan and off spring of an unholy adulterous union between Heavenly Father and a married woman. The true Christ. John 1:1.
(a Mormon here) I think a lot of LDS have a skewed idea of the grace/works relationship. There's simply not enough accurate teaching about it in our culture. But according to our basic doctrine and evidences from the scriptures(both Bible and Book of Mormon),you're right,we cannot attain salvation/exaltation based on our own efforts.It's grace 100%.Our faith and works are how we show God that we want to receive that saving grace in our lives.That's what I've come to understand about the 'debate'
True. and in pre-existence we were not forced to want to come here by any way shape or form it was our choice 100% because free agency didn't originate here it originated in pre-existence.! so we do have a choice we even had the choice to not come here to this earth but those are of us who were born who are living today proves that we wanted to come and that we rejoiced over Jesus Christ's plan for mankind. that we would choose his side where we would not be forced to do anything even while we were on this Earth during our sojourn and our migration so to speak of returning to heaven.
I've seen enough videos that warn people against the cult of Mormonism and I just can't keep watching angry people spout off in a bitter cold spirit. So, now watching this I can clearly see a dramatic contrast where the anti-Mormon videos are ripe with anger and bitterness and mockery, while this video isn't attacking anything, the people seem happy and a heck of a lot more calm and collected than the people making the ranting raving anti-Mormon videos. I think I might watch this one all the way through. If it's true or not I don't care, I feel like a better person by just watching the people in the video.
Mars Mahoney If you want to see a contrast between people in Anti-Mormon videos ad Pro-Mormon videos I suggest watching "The BIble vs The Book of Mormon" and "LDS scholars review the Bible vs The Book of Mormon". There's a huge difference in the look on peoples faces.
Mars Mahoney You have to experience it to understand. I encourage you to investigate Mormonism with a pure heart and as Christ has taught us to do. He tells us that good fruit comes only from good trees. As you begin asking legitimate questions from reading and studying the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham, you might be inspired at first and think they are true, but as you start asking legitimate questions in the process, members will think that you are an anti-Mormon pretending to be interested. You'll see. The hostility you read and hear about and witness is due to the anger of those caught in the mind cult of Mormonism. I know. I was a victim, and they darned near ruined my life for asking about everything they taught with a presentation based on their own canon of Scripture. You invest your whole life in the Church, believing and bearing false witness that you know the Church is true, and it takes that first legitimate question to have you in the bishop's office being accused of Apostasy just for asking what the Church teaches you to ask. You bet there's a lot of anger and bitterness, and for good reason, but you'll have to see what I mean for yourself.
Nolan-Amory Kingston You comment of 13 hrs ago below does not allow for reply so I'll put it here. A DNA study by Emory University, accepted by the Smithsonian, acknowledges that some Native Americans have ancestry in common with peoples in modern Israel and the Mediterranean area. Scientists now agree with accounts in the Book of Mormon that the Americas were settled by multiple maritime crossings of the Pacific and Atlantic oceans; not by the Siberian Land Bridge only. A recent discovery (2007) of pre-Colombian chickens in the Americas is one more example of an animal mentioned in the Book of Mormon for which there was no previous evidence. And there is much more evidence for those willing to seek it out from reliable sources.
Would a knowledgeable LDS member kindly answer me some questions? 1. Question: How does the mormon church explain the lack of metallurgy in the the time the BOM was written? 2. How does the church explain the issues with horses and chariots
@F. Moussa You’re asking about Book of Mormon anachronisms. Check out this short video by Saints Unscripted, it goes over this. Here’s the link: ruclips.net/video/kGSEBwZMpsA/видео.html
@@supervegeta1833 I think you’re missing the point entirely. Jesus Christ is indeed the truth, but the Book of Mormon is a pack of lies that will only take you to hell. If you want to be saved, you only need to recognize that Jesus Christ paid the price for your sins and that your only way to heaven is to recognize that he completed the work on the cross when he was raised back to life. There’s nothing you can do for your own salvation, it’s a free gift for all who accept Jesus sacrifice paid the price completely
@@narrowistheway77 If you’re a mainstream Christian, I’ve got questions for you. Why didn’t God just create us all in Heaven in the first place? Why come to Earth to grow if we’re just going to be singing praises to God for eternity anyway? Why didn’t God only create those He knew would obey Him so nobody ended up suffering in Hell? Did God create all the rules that govern eternity? If so, could God create a rule that anyone who breaks a rule can be forgiven if they are sincerely sorry and change? If so, why was Jesus’s sacrifice necessary? What happens to all those who died without ever hearing about Jesus Christ in their lifetime and having a chance to repent of their sins through Him? Why did God create marriage in the first place if it’s just going to cease to exist after this life anyway? Please, I’d like to hear your answer to any or all of these questions.
smokymountaingirl Betsy Not only mine , this video is based in speculation and half truths. There is not archeologic , linguistic or genetic support for the Book of Mormon claims, and the only ones searching desperately for similarities between history and the BoM are members of the LDS academic comunity , there is no place or ancient ruin in ancient America that could be related with Hebrews. Just a little example of the flaws of this theory: The "Land Northward" is on the West, and the "land southward" in on the East.
A young man, that wasn't educated, but a farmboy.. translated a book in 3 months. a book in which is beyond anything ever written within a lifetime of any author.. just happens that in this book it speaks of a land and a people that align so well with this very area in which the archeology timeline also matches with quite perfectly. the only way of knowing any truth is through the spirit of the lord, you won't find more assurance anywhere else.
I am a Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I am neither stupid nor ignorant. While reading the comments I am struck by the miserableness of those who object to our beliefs.
I'm not a member of the Mormon church , but I am always open to evidence and alternative narrative to that which is officially accepted. This is an interesting documentary and thoroughly informative and compelling. What is interesting and significant is the explosion of stone building that occurs in Meso-America around the time of Nephite expansion, not seen in North America. If official narratives are believed it doesn't explain this huge difference. Meso-America is lush with hard woods, yet stone (as used in Israel and Egypt) is used in the building of most structures. There is such difference in culture between meso-America and North America that official narratives ignore and remain unexplained. A Mormon narrative has interesting points to make in answering these significant differences and oddities.
As soon as I heard MesoAmerica I knew you are going way off base, so turned it off. You'd be doing good to delete the entire program so more people don't get deceived.
It all has become a second nature to me; and I feel, like Paul, to glory in tribulation; for to this day has the God of my fathers delivered me out of them all, and will deliver me from henceforth; for behold, and lo, I shall triumph over all my enemies, for the Lord God hath spoken it. (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 127:2)
I know what you mean about being bored at first. Try watching it to the end. It gets better. And, of course, reading some of the Book of Mormon helps prepare us to understand more of what they are saying.
Joseph Smith found so many artifacts in Ohio during the Zion's camp. Even in my town library describe the local ancient fortress as described by Alma. Even Hugh Nibley identified the Hopewell as the Nephites.
Hugh Nibley would be distressed at the way his statements have been misused by the Heartland advocates. He was commenting on Nephite fortifications looking more like some Hopewell sites than the massive stone cities of the Inca. And in that he is correct, but that does not necessarily require a connection between the nephites and the Hopewell. A technology such as this type of fortification can spontaneously occur. But if you NEED a connection between nephites and "Heartland" evidence, look no further than the text: Alma 63; Helaman 3. And Yes, Joseph DID know. He wrote or published the Times and Seasons articles describing a Mesoamerican setting. Look at his letter to Bishop Burnhiesle after receiving the books by Stephens and Catherwood. Joseph knew, because Moroni showed him his people and his history and his trials and travels. I know the works and writings of Hugh Nibley, he's a hero of mine....and neither Rob Meldrum or Wayne May are a Hugh Nibley. Nibley would be hurt at the way they have used him to help "sell" their BOM geography theories.
@rocco DeLuca In the March 2019 edition of "Discover Magazine" on page 26, is an article "A Lost World Emerges." The author is Nathaniel Scharping. The article is about a 2016 LIDAR scanning of about 800 square miles around Tikal in northern Guatemala. This is just a fraction of the former Maya territory which spanned thousands of square miles, yet the LIDAR revealed some 60,000 previously unknown structures. So far, the group, led by archaeologist Thomas Garrison, has uncovered other unknown city-states near Tikal with limestone roads running from city to city. Unexpectedly, the group found Maya structures built expressly for defensive warfare. These include ditches, moats, ramparts, high walls, fortresses, and a series of watch towers. Many of these surround or are near the major cities. In one place the group uncovered a mound of sling stones which could have been potential ammo from over 1,000 years ago. The findings closely match the fortifications Captain Moroni caused to be built, as described in the Book of Mormon in Alma 49-50.
Its hard to respect mormonism when you were raised mormon, and your mormon family treats you like your stupid and a bad person for no longer believing.
@@safiya9504 being disappointed or sad that someone’s family member left their church is nothing unique to members of the LDS church. I baptized quite a few members of other faiths into the LDS faith and watched sadly as they were disowned, written out of wills, kicked out of their homes, and shunned. I’m sorry that you decided to leave the Church of Jesus Christ, I hope you’ve found what you’re looking for. By the way, what church did you end up going to after you left God’s church? Are you still a Christian? Atheist now? I’m just curious...
I believe that the Book of Mormon is the word of God,so please I advice you if you find the book please read it with your pure heart,don't think of so many rubbish and of what people says,I humble say that,please don't judge the book by its cover
This video speaks of evidence. Kindly advise what the evidence you speak of is. What I saw was mere speculation, not evidence. What exactly did I miss? Has the speculation of DNA evidence been discussed or did I miss that? The only reason that people become fluxed, as the brother in the video stated, when looking for evidence, as Mormon Scriptures have always taught us to seek, is because the Book of Mormon has to be false. If the Scriptures are of Christ who said his way is easy, then there should be no concern about people basing their belief in the Book of Mormon on evidence. I have read the Book of Mormon in English numerous times throughout my life, once in Japanese, Spanish, German, and French, have taken the Book of Mormon Challenge, and keep getting the same answer, that the Book of Mormon is false. No matter what language I read it in, they all say the same thing, and they all are in conflict with Mormon practice and doctrine. Now they are in conflict with physical DNA evidence, so my question is why would these brethren tell their audience that we would be discombobulated, if you will, if we rely on actual evidence? Look, I am not "anti-Mormon," but all I want out of Mormonism is to prove what they teach is true. I have witnessed personally why people with genuine intelligence and common sense of a normally prudent person get accused of being anti-Mormon just because they ask questions. When the assumed anti-Mormon presents the case behind his legitimate questions, Mormons get hostile and upset which then reflects upon the behavior of the one asking the question. While this was a very beautifully presented video, I have to admit that it throws in a lot more suspicion on the verity of the Book of Mormon. Bottom line, they are a bunch of liars.
The case is and has always centered around plausibility. Multiple candidates that fit the known facts do not diminish plausibility, they just make the process of identification more difficult. One could cherry pick any individual fact, and find a culture or location that is in harmony with that fact, but finding a culture or location that is in harmony with all the facts is the goal to establish plausibility. Many have centered around a geographic feature - the narrow neck of land - as the place to start looking for candidates. Another tack is to look for places that have undergone significant geographic change, in accordance with the cataclysm mentioned in 3rd Nephi. The cataclysm is so unfamiliar to us, so outside of our own experience, that it sounds fanciful. Yet there is a strong candidate for that cataclysm. Apoyeque is a volcano in Nicaragua that erupted around the time of Christ's death. It was an order of magnitude greater than Mt. St. Helens. The entire face of Nicaragua was changed, with a large part of the land now covered in water. The Book of Mormon talks about cities being burned, sunken into the sea, or buried under mountains. It also talks about thick darkness covering the land for three days, and the inability to start fires. All of this is in harmony with what we now know of similar sized volcanic eruptions. In 1889 a volcano called Krakatoa erupted in Indonesia with a similar force. The ash blotted out the sunlight for three days in the area. The shape and topography of the island itself was permanently altered. So the question I put to you is this; did some ancient historian describe one of the most terrifying events in human history, or did Joseph Smith just make it up and get incredibly lucky?
This is a history of a society that existed years ago. A people that arrived in a new world holds the lessons of Moses to heart. During a great earthquake and erruption of a volcano, the people unite under the return of Christ in order to prove the word of the gospel. What is so hard to understand about that?
Well didn't the Book of Mormon said that Moroni kept running cause he was the last. If so then maybe he fled all the way to New York, where he died soon after he buried the plates.
@@strangerinwhite He carried 60 lbs plates plus all supplies necessary to survive in the wilderness? If he had a pack animal he would have stood out more plus it would have been tougher to hide. I think a better scenario is the last stand for the Nephites was NYS. There were quite a number of ancient fortification there in the early 1800's.
There is only one Hill Cumorah. View Rod Meldrum and Wayne May. Might also want to review what Joseph Smith actually wrote and said, not what the “scholars” want you to believe.
It always tickles me to see the comments by anti-Mormons criticizing the church for its beliefs, when they rely on quoting Paul and not Jesus Christ Himself. These are the same people who also believe that God and Jesus Christ are the same person, which leads to two questions: 1.Who did the voice from Heaven belong to after Jesus was baptized? 2.If God and Christ are the same person, was Christ a ventriloquist?
@@robertrosskopf4641 I would like to correct my statement previously made based on new archeological evidence that I've found out about the heart land seems to be the real place where the book of mormon happened this vid is extremely old and displaying a view that originated from the rlds church and somehow got up in the tanks of BYU and they were convinced it was Meso America but there seems to be evidence to the contrary and evidence actually supports the idea of it happening in the heart land
@@brian5128 I have dismissed the heartland model as a possibility. Although it is possible that Nephites established a colony south of the Great Lakes, it is extremely unlikely that the Book of Mormon describes any part of North America. Nephi describes the land as being rich in gold, silver and copper, just after arriving. The Great Lakes area is rich in copper, which has been mined for thousands of years, but lacking in gold or silver. It is also notable that Nephi couldn't have done the survey himself. The time and effort to search for rare ores is substantial. He had to have gone to a previously established marketplace to discover what was available. Bow and arrows were also a recent arrival to North American natives, and were not available in North America at the time of the Book of Mormon. The cities described in the Book of Mormon cannot be found in North America, as North American natives had camps, and these camps were mobile. There were no roads, just trails. The Jaredites, which inhabited the land to the north, were the ones who carved their history on stone. No such histories have ever been found in Canada. They are characteristic of Mexico, and lands farther south. The Hill Cumorah in New York is likely a namesake, as it holds no military advantage. There is no reason to select this hill, one of hundreds of such hills in the area, as the place of final battle, and no reason to believe the enemy would even know where it was. There is no fresh water on the hill, nor is the hill sizeable enough for such a battle. It is made from the debris of a retreating glacier, and not suitable for caves. Much better candidates can be found in Mesoamerica. The Mayan long count appears to be present in the Book of Mormon, and the Mayan system of cycles. The weights and measures used by the Nephites is certainly something one would expect in a large marketplace, and not a small village. The only report of such a system in the Americas is in Mesoamerica, although this is disputed. The Nephites were small in numbers, so there is no reason to assume that the Lamanites or anyone else used this system. It certainly wasn't described by Cortez, when he visited a large marketplace. Chariots likely refers to litters, which to the Hebrew way of thinking was a riding seat. Litters have not be found in North America, but were used by kings and generals for travel in Mexico and lands farther south. The biggest problem with a North American theory, is the relative stability of the geology. There are few earthquakes, and no one could describe the land as broken up in seams and fissures. There are no known volcanic eruptions in recent North American history that could account for the description in 3rd Nephi. There was one in Nicaragua which is the perfect size for such an eruption, and it occurred around the time of Christ. Personally, I believe finding the volcanic eruption, which would have left behind significant deposits of ash and debri, is a much better starting place than identifying the "narrow neck". Every theory has a narrow neck.
@@robertrosskopf4641 wow that's an extremely interesting analysis I thankyou for taking the time to share that with me it's really interesting to think about I'm not an archaeologist or any sort of book of mormon historian or scholar so I just know what I've been given for facts
The Book of Mormon has hundreds of corrections, which clearly indicates that no divine origin but very human, even the Book of Mormon today has many contradictions with the Bible, the Mormon leadership possibly correcting anger. The Bible says in John 20:31 "But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name." and 2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teach, to reprove, correcting and training in righteousness, so that may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." these verses teach that the Bible is more than enough because we believe in Jesus Christ ETERNAL LIFE and we are prepared ENTIRELY. (not part says). therefore do not need any more book. No archaeologist neutral (not mormon) that guarantees the Israelis came to America, no serious study that supports this theory
I absolutely loved watching this, and I have shared it with my friends. Beautifully done!! I have been a member of the LDS Church all of my life and I've read the Book of Mormon multiple times but I learned several things from this video I never knew. My two favorite quotes: "One plus God is enough" and "The important [message] in the Book of Mormon is that Christ lives". So true!
Certainly not the Christ of the Bible, because he was neither born in Jerusalem (Matthew 2:1), nor was he a created being (John 1:1), nor was he product of any sexual relationship between heavenly Father and Mary (Luke 1:34,35). The Christ of Mormonism, like the Christ of Islam, is nothing but the figment of man's imagination. Any man who believes in Santa Claus will believe in such a Christ.
If you have only viewed this video I would recommend you view the Wayne May and Rod Meldrum videos, I'm 68 and have been following the MesoAmerican model for decades . . . . until the Hopewell & Adena spheres were brought up and laid before the world. The Spirit taught me the truth and I see and feel it in the videos posted by Firm Foundation and the scriptures of the BoM only confirm it. "The Hinterland" is in MesoAmerica, not the other way around. The Heartland is where the BoM took place, but hey, watch and pray and you will feel it yourself.
Yea JS knew the Bible inside out and then he comes out and says he seen God the father and his Son in a vision? Why? When at the time all thought they were one? Why would a man die for a book he made up? He knew he was gonna die when he went to jail. He wrote about it. THE BOOK IS ANOTHER WORD OF GOD!
I am a member of the church and I know the Book of Mormon is a true record of a people that lived in the North American Continent. It did NOT take place in Mesoamerica and those that advocate this ridicules notion is purely misguided.
What about the Mayan temples in your church paintings? Ignorant man, your own leaders are blind and you eat their foul doctrine up and say give me more.
Vesperi Randsau Before you start calling names and proving what an ass you are, you should do a little research on the subject. I have been following the research of Wayne May, and Rod Meldrum, two LDS Archeologists. These two professionals have written several books and made several videos on the subject of the Book of Mormon and the Ancient Hopewell Indian Culture. So I need to ask how many books have you written on this subject? The LDS Church has not, officially, taken a stand as to where the Book of Mormon took place because it stands alone as a another testament of Jesus Christ and contains his true doctrine as a companion to the Bible. The only ignorant people are the ones that open their mouths without thinking of what they're saying. If you would just visit www.mormon.org and read some of the information there and request a free Book of Mormon, and read it, then perhaps you and I might be able to discuss this intelligently. It wouldn't hurt for you to lose that hateful attitude of yours either. Otherwise I'm afraid you are going to remain as clueless as you are.
Duane Watts I've looked into that too. It seemed plausable to me. Recently, I noticed some things I didn't like about that idea. The proponents of it seemed to be capitalizing monetarily on the idea. I didn't like the internal squabling with fellow proponents either, nor the insults passed to archeologists who disagreed with them. Finally, I studied a thorough refutation of the Hopewell land hypothesis, which makes alot more sense to me now. I learned that when a high quality, multi-volume book on the Mayan civiliations was presented to him, Joseph Smith studied it, and wrote in the Times and Seasons, basically identifying the land of the Mayan book portrayed the land of the Book of Mormon. The Hopewell theorists have taken a hard line against this argument. They said that Joseph Smith was either absent, or too busy, to know what his people were printing in the Times and Seasons. Consequently, a thorough study was launched, including a word analysis examination, which showed that it was many orders of magnitude more likely to be Joseph Smith's own word's than anyone elses. In this study, I've learned there are significant arguments against the Hopewell idea. Lack of Gold, Silver, Copper, and Iron in the eastern states. Such was plentiful in the Book of Mormon land and in the west coast of North and South American, and never very plentiful east of the Rocky Mountains. If the ores had played out their would be tell-tale signs of it. There are many other sound arguments against the Hopewell hypothesis. I also disagreed with the unprofessional attitude of the Hopewell advocates when faced with these arguments. They seemed as though it was too personal to them. It was like they were defending their psuedo religious-business operations, rather than an unbiased search for truth. This attitude is similar to attacks seen in forums like this, from people who are overly angry against those who would disagree with them. This bears out to me as unprofessional, mean spirited, and just wrong.
Kenneth Madsen "I've learned there are significant arguments against the Hopewell idea. Lack of Gold, Silver, Copper, and Iron in the eastern states. Such was plentiful in the Book of Mormon land and in the west coast of North and South American, and never very plentiful east of the Rocky Mountains. If the ores had played out their would be tell-tale signs of it. "Wrong, there are many ores around the Great Lakes region. Native copper lays upon the ground even today. :) :)There are many videos out there on this topic. The BoM times played out up and down eastern AND central America.
2 minutes in, and you're already neck deep in false premises. The Book of Mormon text does NOT support the fact that there were other peoples in America, just as it doesn't mention snow, yet you assume the first to be incorrect, and the 2nd to be indicative. The Book of Mormon says this land was preserved for the righteous and that none could come here expect through the power of god. It also says they filled the land. Fact first, then conclusion. The other way around is faulty.
The first Journey of Faith video is stronger in terms of definitive places (Nahom and Bountiful) but there are a lot of fascinating parallels presented here and I think gives us a picture of what was really going on for Book of Mormons peoples, cutting through the influence of Joseph Smith's language and mind on the transmission of the text. Curious to see what the next 30 yrs of scholarship will uncover.
David Stoker "the influence of Joseph Smith's language and mind on the transmission of the text"? In normal literary translation, that's what happens: the translator's mind and language influence the way the text comes out, but wasn't Joseph Smith supposed to be divinely inspired and aided (the mystic stones)?
@@jamesvanderhoorn1117 It was by Revelation... many of the revelations that were being given to Joseph Smith he wrote down but he had never he would have never known these things before receiving the revelations. even speaking in foreign languages he had never heard before....
The book of Mormon is the word of God. My eight year old kid knows more about Jesus Christ than all of the narcissistic modern day greed driven preachers. I read the book, prayed about it and received a direct revelation from God telling me it is true. That was 40 years ago and I have no regrets. I need no physical proof because the revelation I received from God trumps everything and is unforgettable. I bear witness to my statement in the name of Jesus Christ. AMEN
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day saints is the only true and living church upon the earth. The book of Mormon is true and truly testifies of Jesus Christ my savior. Any church that does not believe in prophesy is spiritually dead. I found out that the book of Mormon is true by personal revelation through the Holy Ghost. The true church is run by Jesus Christ through a prophet.That is how the lord has always led his people through out the scriptural history.
Yes just show him nailed to a cross. So if he had been killed with a whip would you want to hang him with a whip. Try not to be silly. The book of Mormon is true. It is a second witness of Jesus Christ. God will reveal the truth of it to anyone that sincerely reads it and then asks in faith if it is true. That is what I did and my prayer was answered in a remarkable way. I have no doubts about the divinity of the bible, the book of Mormon (another testament of Jesus Christ) and my savior Jesus Christ.
+Bush Baby _The book of Mormon is the word of god"_ ... what what whaaaaat!!! That is pure heresy!! *Jesus* is the Word of God!!! In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. Jesus is the Word of God made flesh!! And you heretically refer to a man made book containing fables as being the Word of God???? Woe unto you Bush Baby!!!! I guess you've never actually read the bible as you would know that truth. Jesus said that He was the way the truth and the life, He never said that the mormon religion or any other religion was also the way. You have been sorely deceived by satan, the father of lies, to believe that the mormon church is true. Anyone who needs convincing that their religion is true over wanting to know if Jesus is savior is not of the Lord. They care more about religion than Jesus. Mormons will always defend mormonism because that is what they follow. Christians will only ever defend the Word of God because He is the truth and He is who we follow. True Christians follow Jesus!! Jesus is the way, He is the narrow gate. All others are thieves and robbers but the sheep did not listen to them. The sheep know Jesus's voice. The sheep will only ever follow Jesus.
If I want to read a book I will buy one that is interesting. I didn't read your long rant. The Book of Mormon is true. It is another testament of Jesus Christ the savior of the world.
Here's 2 Interesting Books, and they are FREE, let me know if you can see the truth anymore, seeing as both of these books were written BEFORE the BOM, and BOTH authors were in the same respectable location of Joseph's Myth, let me summarize the facts for you, Sidney Rigdon and Oliver Cowdry took these two books edited and plagerized the heck out of them. When 116 pages of the "translations" were "lost" by some dude named Marty something or other, they just commence building upon and with the elaborate imaginative stories that Joseph used to tell as a child, trying to recreate the contents. Ironically there's missing pages in Manuscript story/Manuscript Found too...read em they are pretty interesting, Ethan smith sets the stage for The Joseph's Myth IDEA, and he even references Isaiah and Malachi so Joe never had to actually look it up. OH and then theres the book of Abraham your joking me right? I'll add a link to that too. the BOM IS A LIE! YOU HAVE BEEN DECIEVED, AND YOU ARE BRAINWASHED! I don't rant, I research. I find truth, PERIOD! archive.org/details/manuscriptfound.00spaurich archive.org/details/viewhebrewsexhi00smitgoog ruclips.net/video/utDU45lm210/видео.html ldsfacts.org/mormon-church-history/book-of-abraham-exposed/
I've been taught the place of landing was Mesoamerica. After researching, I found Joseph Fielding Smith stated the place where Lehi landed and all events took place was America not Mesoamerica. Please enlighten me.
Scott M This is a quote from a study done by the Ohio University "In order to detect the level of mtDNA variation present within the Ohio Hopewell of the Hopewell Mound Group, RFLP testing for the five Native American haplotypes was conducted on the samples. Table 12 shows the overall distribution of the five Native American haplotypes. Haplotype X was not found while 41% of the individuals were haplotype A" (etd.ohiolink.edu/!etd.send_file?accession=osu1054605467, pg. 84). Again "Halotype X was not found." Haplogroup X "is subdivided into two major branches, here defined as “X1” and “X2.” The first is restricted to the populations of North and East Africa and the Near East, whereas X2 encompasses all X mtDNAs from Europe, western and Central Asia, Siberia, and the great majority of the Near East, as well as some North African samples" (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180497/). You can read or look into the study to get more information, but the point that I wanted to focus on was that the Hopewell Indians descended from Asians. Like the majority of Native Americans.
Well duh.. obviously they weren't there and the records have limited context.. so the best you can do is assume what likely happened based on the facts and evidence you have. Geez some people are so shallow
It is not the Catholic Church. That actually refers to any church that is anti Christ, that does evil, murdering and terrible things. I was Catholic and converted to the LDS Faith. I have complete respect for the Catholic Church. The Catholic church contacted the LDS church to work together to fight against Prop 8 and preserve the sanctity of marriage. I converted because I knew if my baby died without baptism, they would go to Heaven, not Hell or Limbo. Take care and God Bless
Many of the responses from non-LDS in the comment section are clearly shallow and naive. The idea that these LDS scholars are intentionally deceiving the world or have basic misunderstandings of the disciplines in which they have been credentialed by world-renowned universities is foolish. It reflects the intellectual immaturity of one who cannot grasp or accept that matters are complex enough that intelligent, well-intentioned individuals might truly disagree. I say that to preface my very strong criticism of the following argument. At 29:55 and forward, Mark Alan Wright argues that Abinadi's statement in Mosiah 13:12 forbidding making a likeness of things "in the heaven above, the earth beneath, or in the waters under the earth" is a clue into the Mesoamerican context for the Book of Mormon- the Maya also held such a three-tiered cosmology. This is a stunningly bad argument. Here's why. A text in the Book of Mormon can only serve as evidence for an ancient production context if that text reflects features which are present in that context and also absent in Joseph's own specific context. As such, the Mesoamerican specialist must also educate himself about that environment in reasonable detail. We know that Joseph was deeply molded by the KJV Bible. Its language appears all over the Book of Mormon- whether that reflects a translation choice on the part of Joseph or reflects his role as creator of the Book's content is another matter. Point is, we all agree that it forms part of that background. So how in the world can Mark Wright call Mosiah 13:12 evidence for Maya background with a straight face? It's an *obvious* reference to the Second Commandment: (Exodus 20:4) "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Abinadi is making a near direct quotation. You don't need to go so far afield to find the production context for that passage in the Book of Mormon. It's staring you in the face in the most famous and well known passage from the Old Testament.
Zarahemla is across from Nauvoo in Montrose IA. Ludhiana first landing was near the oldest Hopewell site in North America at Crystal River Florida. Alma ch 2 tells of the Hill Amnihu, located near Zarahemla across the river Sidon ie: Mississippi River.
Agreed. The Phoenicians were circumnavigating Africa about 100 years before Lehi’s journey. They went west around Africa and landed in the Florida/Georgia area. The latitude of Florida is the same as Jerusalem from which they brought seeds. And the seeds flourished because the climate was similar. Miraculous.
I like the video but it's more like the History Channel than real history (my college major). I think religious experience is the LDS strong suit, not historical research.
For all of those who may be deceived on what we believe, the name on the side of our building is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" it does not say "The Church of Mormons". Let NO MAN say we do not worship our Lord Jesus Christ. Mark these words for the day will come when you will realize that we are the true disciples of Jesus Christ. The church is true and anyone who thinks it's not, I challenge you to visit our services and learn with a pure heart and you will testify of it too
It’s essential to read and understand what Joseph Smith personally said and wrote about Book of Mormon lands as he's the only prophet who translated the Book of Mormon records, repeatedly described the peoples, animals and lands of the Book of Mormon "as if he had lived there, his entire life," as his mother said. Here are the only facts we have of Book of Mormon geography: -D&C 28:8 "And now, behold, I say unto you that you [Oliver Cowdery] should go unto the Lamanites and preach my gospel unto them..." D&C 28:9 "...Behold, I say unto you that it shall be on the borders by the Lamanites." -Revelation given from Jesus Christ to the Prophet Joseph Smith, 1830 --D&C 30:6 "...for I have given unto him power to build up my church among the Lamanites." Revelation given from Jesus Christ to the Prophet Joseph Smith, 1830 -D&C 32:2 "And that which I have appointed unto him is that he shall go with my servants, Oliver Cowdery and Peter Whitmer, Jun., into the wilderness among the Lamanites." -Revelation given from Jesus Christ to the Prophet Joseph Smith, 1830 -"The Book of Mormon is a record of the forefathers of our western tribes of Indians... by it we learn that our western tribes of Indians are descendants from that Joseph that was sold into Egypt, and that the land of America is a promised land unto them. Personally written and signed by, Joseph Smith Jun., 1833 Letter written by way of commandment from God to the Rochester Observer. -"The whole of our journey, in the midst of so large a company of social honest and sincere men, wandering over the plains of the Nephites, recounting occasionally the history of the Book of Mormon, roving over the mounds of that once beloved people of the Lord, picking up their skulls and bones, as proof of its divine authenticity, and gazing upon a country the fertility, the splendor and goodness so indescribable, all serve to pass away time unnoticed. Personally written and signed by the hand of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 1834. Joseph Smith personally received revelation from God to send missionaries, one being the transcriber of the Book of Mormon plates, to THE Lamanites, even to the border of the Lamanites, in Missouri. Missionaries were immediately sent to: NY, OH, IN, IL and MO, as commanded by Jesus Christ, testifying that the Book of Mormon is a record of their ancestors and established the church there. Joseph Smith never sent a single missionary to: Mexico, Central or South America, nor did any Latter-day Saint prophet in over 75 years after the church's founding. Joseph personally met with and testified of the Book of Mormon to the: Fox and Sac Algonquin tribes of the Great Lakes, up until a week before his death, whom he and U.S. national leaders described as Western tribes of Indians, as they were forced from their lands in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Michigan, to Iowa and westward. The Lord knows where the Lamanites lived, Joseph Smith knew where they lived as he personally met with them and testified to them. Besides the plains of: Ohio, Indiana and Illinois, locations where the Nephites lived, the ancient Nephite city of Manti, Zelph’s mound, Adam’s alter that Nephites used and the Hill Cumorah, where Joseph Smith personally testified of each location, we have no knowledge of exact locations of the Book of Mormon, nor do we need to know their exact locations but we do know exactly where Book of Mormon lands are, as revealed by the Lord: Missouri to Western New York. Any other theory is pure speculation and opinion that runs counter to revelation from Jesus Christ and should be discarded and ignored, along with all other opinions and speculation.
Remember, oh remember the Book of Mormon definition of a Lamanite: Anyone of the people who was not a follower of the Nephites prophets. And since the Lamanites destroyed the Nephites as a cohesive group, they, the Lamanites, were left to continue to spread across the continent and mix with the other people who were there, who would have also been considered Lamanites. which they likely did. That BoM definition of Lamanite would include all the people of the continent regardless of their ancestry or genetic origin.... including Brothet Zelph. So, your lengthy argument falls under the simple fact of how the BoM defines "Lamanite" (4 Nephi 1:37-38, as an example). Also a few more items, 1. You can't deny what Joseph said and wrote about the book by Stephen's and Catherwood, that their book on Mesoamerican reflected the BoM people. 2. The rest of the articles in the Times and Seasons supporting a Mesoamerican setting. 3. The descriptions of the travels of Moroni after the last great battle that resulted in two members named McBride and Hamilton producing rough maps indicating the city Bountiful was in central America. Those maps still exist and are in the Church Archives. 4. Helaman 3 says Nephites went into the land that were an "exceedingly great distance" north from the land Bountiful, to a land that not only had an east and west sea, but also had a north and south sea. Helaman, referring to these Nephites, contains the only such references to seas in 4 directions. Brother Joseph left plenty of evidence the principle events of the Book of Mormon occurred in the region of Mesoamerica, as well as what the book itself actually says that corresponds to the Mexico - Guatemala area much better than to St. Louis or Buffalo, New York. And don't hit me with the usual childish retort I've heard before "Who are you going to follow, a professor or a prophet?" That's not even a rational statement... I prefer actual documentation, clear facts and evidence rather than emotional appeals, speculation and supposition being peddled through books, dvd's and money-making lectures or "firesides" by folks wanting to make a name for themselves. You and I both know The Church has made no "official declaration" as to the location of the principle events of the Book because it's message is more important than its mapping. It just really upsets me when some folks out there just can't pass up an opportunity to make a buck off the backs of the Saints. I honestly believe a Mesoamerican setting is much more plausible based on what Joseph Smith said and what the book contains. But that's just my opinion. Unlike some folks, I don't demand it be an article of faith.
This is wrong. Lehi and his family lived in North America. Particularly the Hopewell Culture. Joseph Smith Jr. himself indicated that the Book of Mormon lands were in Ohio, Illinois, and Missouri. I do not understand why people keep perpetuating the of Meso-America being the Book of Mormon Lands. It is not.
Actually even Book of Mormon scholars from BYU admit that the Book of Mormon lands are unknown. The reason for this is the lack of archaeological evidence and no place names from the Book of Mormon appearing anywhere in North America. There are two theories. One is the one you suggest that Book of Mormon lands are in North America. Another is the "limited geography model" which is the belief that the Book of Mormon occurred in a small region of central America. This is a preferred theory because it solves a few problematic issues in the Book of Mormon. It solves the problem of DNA, language and archaeology in one pet theory. Perhaps you should educate yourself. The LDS church has some essays on these issues on their website. Just type in Essays and find the one on the Book of Mormon. Don't search the whole site of gospel topics as you won't find it there. Instead look under Essays. Good Luck.
@@traceyb2664 I apologize for my delay in response. I generally do not follow up on my comments and just recently decided to start doing that. The essays you refer to are of an academic nature and postulate possibilities based on the evidence they show. As for the Central America theory, you stated that is solves the problem of DNA. Actually it doesn't. DNA samples from that area do not support Hebrew ancestry. On the flip side the Hopewell culture DNA is of Middle Eastern descent. As for "solving the problematic issues in the Book of Mormon" beyond DNA I am not sure what you mean. The lack of archaeology in North America in our time is easy to explain. When the Europeans settled here there were many artifact found that would support the events in the BoM but many were lost to time. Most were destroyed by farmers digging up fields to sow crops. In early newspaper articles it was common to find reports of mass burials that turned up in a field being plowed. But the farmers did not care about such things as they were more concerned about simple survival. Look up Wayne May and see the evidence he provides. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints does not officially support any theory on the locations found in the BoM. They have clearly stated many times that it is religious text that goes beyond simple history and that those who read the BoM should look at everything in there through the lens of spiritual knowledge. I am open to changing my mind academically but am more concerned with the spiritual aspects of the Book of Mormon.
"Give me your money or I'll put this snake in your Face...I mean faith.." If you had The Hat Of Faith you would see and believe! at 21:00 minutes we hear of "reading Beowulf, we wouldn't understand it"....More bad news for CyMorgs, The Book of Abraham was allegedly written in 1800 BC. But it dates to year Zero. Languages do change over time. At least we have Old English and today's English to compare. We can read Beowulf if we study language. If we Study Mormonism we walk away in disgust. Mormons:::: minute 40:00, we see wooden/stone swords. The BofM speaks of METAL Swords. Study Egyptian and see why Joe Got it wrong when he GOT the Plates. He Got it wrong when he Got the common Book of The Dead papyrus.
You are right. But it is not meant to convince. The Spirit teaches to convert, information only supports and suggests. Keep seeking truth. You will find it and be “convinced” by the Spirit.
Mr. ua t, you are right about Jesus! It really is wonderful that God loved us so much that he gave his only begotten son to atone for our sins. It really is true. And it is a way back to God. I have a question, when you say 'period!', are you saying there is no more knowledge from Heaven? Or, are you saying we don't need to understand anything else about God?
The book of Mormon is a fictional story. It is based off the mound building Indians of Ohio. The only facts of the book are that the Indians build mounds in Ohio and he twisted it into a story that he turned into a cult religion.
Cool imagery. Utter lack of verifiable scientific data. Confirmation bias at it's finest. Name one NON-Mormon scholar or scientist who agrees. Never seen so much effort spent trying to pound a square peg into a round hole.
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17:08 - Someone please tell me that they're not implying that a Caucasian man instructed the Mayans in how to construct their cities and architecture and economic foundation. Hand me a bucket, I think I'm going to be sick. NOTE: I previously made a mistake using the term "white man", so I edited it to the more accurate "Caucasian man". My apologies...now hand me that bucket! :)
All American Indians say that a Bearded white man (who was taller than most Europeans) gave them many sciences. Even the Iroquois said that they fought white men. Moreover, the South American Indians say they wyped out a race of black men... The world is wide and vast, and history is a vast banquit of untold stories just waiting to be doug up.
Excellent point! Except archeological evidence to indicate that this specific white man existed has never been found. So, does that lack of evidence indicate that this is a valid hypothesis, or does it indicate another example of the collossal arrogance of some factions of the Caucasian race in trying to take credit for the achievements of non-Caucasian cultures? And don't even get me started on these folks denying blacks the priesthood, at least until the Internal Revenue Service threatened to take away their tax-free religion status. That sure made the church leaders have a revelation, and damn quick, too!
As a white man, I'm in no way threatened by other culture's successes. All races have their tyrants and shepherds and their rise and their fall. Speaking particularly to the issue of the Hopewell People. The X2 is a European female gene that has been found all over the mid-west. The Algonquin "Indians" (from the Asian variety) are a vast mixed breed of Asian Indians and White Europeans. In some tribes they are upwards of 25% of the overall population. Such as the Sac, Fox, and Ojibwa tribes. All sub tribes of the Algonquin. Speaking particularly to the issues of race. As a young Marine, I married a beautiful young Marine with blond hair and blue eyes. What a looker, she was, and still is, although we're no longer together. An exceptional Aryan she is… Now, at the time, how could I have known that the female line of her family had been goose stepping Nazis fighting the Russians some 50 years ago? Moreover, how could I know that Finland was Russian territory that they were just trying to take back. These attacks, started by Russia, caused Operation Barbarossa. How could I have known that her father came from slave owners in the south, and that some of those plantations were still "operational" with the descendents of the same blacks still working the land… Owned by whites… All I saw when I met her was a beautiful young blond girl, that I could've swore I knew from somewhere. Soon, you will see as I have, that greed and oppression knows nothing of race. Oppression is a trait of leaders and men and women with money and power; always looking for just a bit more. Look at what's going on in Africa now, "religions" kidnapping 200+ girls in a bid for so called religious power. In reality, it's just a greedy black man vying for more power. It’s a tail as old as time… But you will only see it as a human trait, if you ignore both sides of the race card.
Once again, they aren't implying that. Lehites were descended from peoples of the Middle East and Egypt. They would not be white by European standards.
I would like to hear what these scholars have to say about Migratory animals in the Book of Mormon steel swords elephants and the fact that they have no form of reformed Egyptian but everything in the Book of Mormon has been discovered right here in North America?
As a non-Mormon, you may find it very odd and strange that millions of people of our faith would continue to affirm and believe the Book of Mormon as a true narrative -- notwithstanding there not being hardly any 'smoking guns' (scientifically) for our book. A lot of non-Mormons might wonder --Why do we believe? Are we that gullible and stupid -- or could there be some other explanation? I don't think that I'm gullible or stupid...and yet, notwithstanding there being 'concrete' scientific evidence....I still maintain that the Book of Mormon is true.....strange that I would...
I honestly do feel sorry for some of you guys. So much hate will poison your lives, your homes and your families. I've been a devout member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints all of my life but my companion is Pagan... and there is no strife in my home over religion. The Internet is a BIG place, if you're not happy RIGHT HERE... then go to the next page where you are! God bless guys! Maybe we'll agree on the next one! :-)
It's there right to free speech though, they can do what they want, it's not like they don't have to deal with cult members coming to their doorsteps trying to shove fiction down their throats. Mormons will shove their cult down others throats but cant handle other people speaking against their cult. If it makes you happy than fine.
The authors seem to believe that the location of the Nephites and Laminites was in mesoamerica. That’s a old guess. Evidence shows that it was in the Great Lakes area. They were part of the Mound Builders. DNA of the Middle East has been found there. Joseph Smith on the Zion’s camp declared that he was seeing all kinds of items left there. He also sent missionaries to the Laminites in that area. Also the plates of gold were buried in New York. Research it yourself.
I am an ex mormon. All I can say is that Mormon Doctrine is incoherent with the bible, that Mormon Doctrine is incoherent with archeology, that Mormon Doctrine is philosophically impossible, and that Mormon Propaganda is highly convincing, but their sources are highly biased and false. I'm sorry, but I did NOT leave the church because of 1. Anti-Mormon Literature 2. Abuse in the church 3. Personal problems I left the church because 1. I think for myself 2. I read the bible 3. I understand simple logic and philosophy I am now a christian because 1. It makes sense 2. It is coherent with science (Not theories made specifically to target religion) 3. It is MUCH more reliable. Some common mormon arguments which are obviously wrong 1. The Bible was translated wrong (Telephone Effect) We have many of the original manuscripts and letters so it's basically a direct translation from the original language 2. We are "possesed" or "influenced" by satan Please read the bible. you are the ones being decieved lol 3. We are christians Please understand what christianity is before you claim that you are christian
Main Philosophically incoherent doctrine of Mormonism 1. God had a father who had a father who had a father 2. We can be exalted Main Archeologically incoherent doctrine of Mormonism 1. No archeological evidence at all 2. None. This documentary crap has the WORST sources I've EVER seen Main Logically incoherent doctrine of Mormonism 1. Works and Faith not faith alone (which is ALSO a philosophically incoherent doctrine) compared to the teaching of the bible 2. That they believe in the bible. You cannot believe in the bible yet reject the bible in mormon doctrine. Incoherent The only reason I am a christian btw is 1. Pascal's Wager 2. Archeological Evidence 3. Historical Evidence 4. Personal Experience 5. Apologetics. Strict scientific apologetics If science can prove the impossibility of God, I would be aethiest However, that is impossible.
+Kevin Tang Mormon doctrine is also incoherent within itself. I can list here tons of verses inside the BOM which are contradicting other verses within BOM. Then you add D&C to it and you get even greater mess and contradictions. Add proclamations of all prophets from Young to Monson and you cannot believe this doctrine at all. One of the prophets (can't remember his name now) said that Book of Mormon contains the fullness of gospel needed for men's salvation. That mean, it contains everything you need to be saved. If that is true, then you need not to go to the Temple and perform all those Masonic rituals in it as it is nowhere in BOM. You do not need to be eternally married and sealed in the Temple as it is not in BOM, etc. So, the BOM either is a fullness and you do not need those rituals or it is not a fullness and you need D&C and PoGP to add to it and that prophet lied about BOM and then the BOM is not the most correct book on earth. There is so many inconsistencies that if you start pointing them all out you get crazy.
+1stFoxmovie NOt true, only if you believe the lies of the mob! Please explain to me General Wilsons comment. "We Jackson County boys know how it is. We know that from the beginning the Mormons have not been the aggressors at all as it began in `33,. You Mormons were crowded to the last extreme, and compelled to self-defense; and this has been construed into treason, murder and plunder. We mob you without law; the authorities refuse to protect you according to law; you then are compelled to protect yourselves, and we act upon the prejudices of the public, who join our forces, and the whole is legalized, for your destruction and our gain. Is not this a shrewd and cunning policy on our part, gentlemen? "When we drove you from Jackson County, we burned two hundred of your houses; plundered your goods; destroyed your press and all, tarred and feathered old Bishop Partridge. We shot down some of your men, and, if any of you returned the fire, we imprisoned you, on your trial for murder. Shrewdly done, gentlemen; and I came near kicking the bucket myself; for, on one occasion, while we were tearing down houses, driving families, and destroying and plundering goods, some of you good folks put a ball through my son’s body, another through the arm of my clerk, and a third pierced my shirt collar and marked my neck. No blame, gentlemen; we deserved it." "…the Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State if necessary…"Governor Lilburn Boggs of Missouri, in 1838. This "extermination order" resulted in the deaths of at least 60 Mormons as well as the rapes of dozens of Mormon women and girls. Countless others died from exposure as they were forced to evacuate the State.
Very funny and fraudulent documentary. You cant place the book or Mormon into a cultural context where it does not belong. Mayan and Aztec cultures had nothing to do with the book of mormon. Who are you trying to fool.
The question is not whether people lived in this part of the world during this time, but whether or not there were Jews living in this part of the world.
if Israelites lived in that area at that time I would think that the other tribes would except them maybe because they had some cool stuff to trade or the tribes would war with them but there would be some kind of record stating from the other tribes that a foreign people was on there land but time after time no evidence the ancient book of Mormon people did not exist
Do the gates of Heaven swing “IN or OUT?” What difference does it make where Nephi landed? Good grief people you either believe with faith that the BOM is true or you don’t. Get on with your lives.
The differences are that each different edition of the bible is a translation from manuscripts or revisions referring to the manuscripts as we get better understanding of the manuscript languages and new manuscripts are found. We also know that the manuscripts are fragmented and incomplete, so we accept various guessworks. We don't have the manuscript of the BoM, so each new edition is not a new translation, but literally a revision. Another thing is that the BoM is claimed to be perfect.
there is something very interesting in the Book of Mormon concerning this worth thinking about. at the end of Matt.5 Jesus says at end of sermon on the mount in vrs.48"Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect." Now when Christ appears in B.o.M. he gives nearly the exact sermon but as the resurrected Savior he ends it in 3Ne.12:48"Therefore I would that ye should be perfect even as I, or your Father who is in heaven is perfect."
This is just nonsense. I read FAIRS and FARMS stuff before and they are ridiculous a lot of the time. I reckon Mormon apologetics will and have swayed more to disbelieve/ leave rather than stay.
***** FARMS!!!! That's the name of the organization I was trying to think of, Brother Peaceman! Where did I get BARNS from? Hello, Elder Joseph. Although I am not anti-Mormon, nor Mormon, I appreciate your posts when you present great premises for disconcerting cases.
Im not a Mormon but i have a uncontrollable thirst to discover the truth about the origins and civilization of my ancient ancestors. So many false claims and unsupportable theories out there that I find myself unable tp tell my children the true origins of our advanced civilization. SO I am always searching for something that is supported by true archaeological records. I dont know why I never looked into the Mormon Faith before, maybe because in my younger less educated years I thought of Mormons were following a profit that just made up a religion. And had people follow what he wanted. I wrote The Book Of Mormon off. But then I started hearing of these metal plates found in Midwest Death Valley and even Utah with strange unreadable writings on them. This brought a curiosity to me and I started watching Mormon Videos on You Tube this is actually only the second one I watched and I want to apologize to the Faithful Mormon for disrespecting there Profit and Religion because of the knowledge i believe to be true, this Book Of Mormon seems that it could be very possibly true. i want to learn more. Thank you for sharing the information of this Great Educational Video with me I cant wait tell my daughter wakes ups to let her watch it since in her 7th grade class they are learning about Maya right now,
Easyen Cantlose - The Bible says "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened" (Matthew 7:7-8). As you probably know, this world is full of religions. The Bible warns numerously to be careful of false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly, they are ravenous wolves. I've noticed you've said that you've been doing some research of the LDS church. In Galatians 1:6-9 "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." Joseph Smith said that it was an angel of light that came down and gave him a new gospel. So if people, or an angel from from heaven is preaching a different gospel than the Bible, let them be accursed. I believe that Satan uses people to lead people astray from the actual Word of God. I believe Joseph Smith was inspired by Satan. My friend Easyen Cantlose, please be careful of what you watch and listen to. :) If you have any questions please do not hesitate to ask. I'd be pleased to help! Please don't take my word for it either. If you have a Bible, please go to the source. ;)
@@JESUSSAVESISA no you are wrong... not a different gospel but to some people it might appear so because it is the restored gospel meaning that things which were eradicated by the Catholics and Roman Catholic diocese in the first printing of the holy Bible many things were removed. as you probably do know that they had one copy to the public in chains.. literally chain to a podium.... A St James translation of some kind of written down things and made their own translations when they created the first holy Bible of saint James. many precious parts were removed., basically they wanted to keep everyone in the dark and didn't want them to read some of the things that should have been printed in the King James translation. like a film producer they cut and dropped. the restored gospel has just put those things back which should never have been taken out.~~~~~ BUT ANOTHER SOURCE OF JESUS CHRIST CAME TO US THROUGH THE BOOK OF MORMON CONSIDERED A PURE AND UNBLEMISHED BOOK OF JESUS CHRIST AND HIS MINISTRY UPON THIS EARTH....
through a kid...age 17.... so that it would not have been to lessen the fact that who God chose to restore the corrected gospel in Jesus Christ would be innocent. he chose a young boy. to do do it through.
Ive read. Its not true. Also been to lds church numerous times. Been told to have unquestioning faith to believe. Also blackmailed into tithing or you cant go to temple. How is telling people not to question a solid foundation. If questioning is dangerous the church is untrue.
I appreciate this commentary. Thankyou also for your manner of presentation and your beautiful testimonies. I knew the Book of Mormon was a true record from the moment I began reading it. Sometimes you just know something is right, and for some one who began with doubts, ... "gut instinct" told me it was right as I began reading. Something I now call a profound spiritual experience, reckoning with people I somehow felt familiar with and their story. My mind felt enlightened and expanded with light and knowledge and a great love for the courageous followers of Christ. I continue to reread it and it brings a very powerful spirit and influence into my life amid lifes challenges. My gratitude to all the prophets and courageous people in this book, to Joseph Smith his work in translation and protecting the plates and most of all to Jesus Christ which this book andthe Holy Bible testify of. It is the testimonies of Christ and his dealings with his people that matter more to me than whether something is geographically accurate.
Show me someone who knows everything... and I will be sure to believe all their opinions. Mormons take a lot of things on faith because they are convinced of the truthfulness of such things as the 'Plan of Salvation' in the Book of Mormon, the teachings of present day Prophets and Apostles, and the effect of living the Gospel (as taught by the LDS Church) as being hugely beneficial to them. Many believe in God because they exercise faith in His Son Jesus's teachings... and this is the only way to know the truth... give God a go and see what He can do for your life.
I'm grateful this has been put together. I deeply appreciate the effort and knowledge that has been shared within this documentary. One of my issues that they just don't need music playing. The material stands on its own.
to sum up. We are going to guess that this is where everything happened even though we have no clue or evidence. Since we have done this guess we might as well continue with it and try to convince people that our guess is accurate with more assumptions. Let us be ignorant and assume everyone else is, that makes this story true. now that it is true then the book of Mormon is true. Where is some actual evidence please???
brilly bob There is evidence to support the THEORY. Yes, it is a theory. There are plenty of parallels between Book of Mormon claims and the ancient Mesoamerican world. Is there enough to prove that the Book of Mormon is a true ancient record? Not even close. But this is the only possible lead that LDS scholars have... so they are running with it. Only time will tell. These scholars speak as if everything they say is true, but in reality they are just speaking in the context of this theory and trying to show how everything could potentially fit.
It is almost funny to me to see so many negative comments because you base your understanding on one or two things that you think, or believe had happened so that you can shoot down the Book of Mormon with your puny arm. Whatever indiscretions you chose to base your faith in simply will have zero affect on the minds and hearts and lives of the millions and millions of people that this amazing book has gone on to touch. It is true! The evidence is there, but even more then that, gods promise to us, and all people is that if you read this book with a "sincere" heart, having "faith in god" you may also know the truth of this amazing book. This promise is valid to not only me, but you too, and once you do come to know of its divinity, you will never be the same again. I am personally, so very grateful that I gained a testimony of this book and its teachings because it is the same teachings of that which was taught in the bible. Therefore, this book also proves that the bible is true.
If you look at the book of Ether in the Book of Mormon, the Jaredites went to the South Americas way before Lehi and his family. It was about the time of the tower of Babel in the Bible.
Richard Holt all the pretty music and scenery won't make it true...if there were just a few issues I might buy it. The Mormon Church is full of secrets and cover-ups. You don't need any anti-Mormon literature to condemn it...church history does that!
Have you read the book cover to cover and prayed to the father in the name of Jesus Christ? Its not the church of JS. We're called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The BOM is another testiment of the Savior. He lives and love all of his children, He is your God Viki.
BOM is a second testament of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. 6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews? 7 Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth? 8 Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also. 9 And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever. 10 Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written. (Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 29:6 - 10)
8 I have charity for the Jew-I say Jew, because I mean them from whence I came. 9 I also have charity for the Gentiles. But behold, for none of these can I hope except they shall be reconciled unto Christ, and enter into the narrow gate, and walk in the strait path which leads to life, and continue in the path until the end of the day of probation. 10 And now, my beloved brethren, and also Jew, and all ye ends of the earth, hearken unto these words and believe in Christ; and if ye believe not in these words believe in Christ. And if ye shall believe in Christ ye will believe in these words, for they are the words of Christ, and he hath given them unto me; and they teach all men that they should do good. (Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 33:8 - 10)
I appreciate the scientific information and I feel it does help some people gain a greater understanding of this book. However, I and most of my friends who are Latter-day Saints do not need science or scholars to know that this book is 100% true and inspired by God to come forth in the latter days. I have read the Book of Mormon many times and I know that it is true. The church is true and Jesus is the Christ.
You my friend are no Christian, Jesus is not #1 in your life. In fact you have no idea who Jesus Christ is, here is a little help. Jesus IS GOD not a god (John 1) Jesus is eternal not created (Exodus 3:14 & John 8:57-59). Your so called Jesus is a false Jesus and cannot save you. Seek the truth and become a true Christian as a true follower of the only true Jesus Christ OUR Lord and Saviour!
1.30.19 the church released an announcement that they are uncertain of any archeological proof of the book of Mormon. They attested that they are not concerned with the proof of the book of Mormon, only in its message. That's a hard pill to swallow.
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Well that's only the deeper feeling in our spiritual soul that speaks out, otherwise they are as interested in all archaeology is any other archaeologists in the world are..
They do understand that most of the world wants evidence scientific evidence for everything now. Their Scholars are consistently studying I'm gaining more knowledge than most other people about the archaeology of this religion I am a Latter-Day Saint and I believe I understand that so nothing more tours is important that's what the immortal truth is and knowing that we will only have one grain of truth even if we possessed everything possible in this world it's still just two grain your trillions and trillions uncountable truths that we could never find out within one lifetime.
But to feel the sweetness of the Turning spirit in your heart cannot be replaced once we receive that we do have faith and trust in the church in the LDS Church we will leave the archaeology discoveries up to those our Scholars,, for they are our greater minds..........
@Rick McGhee In the March 2019 edition of "Discover Magazine" on page 26, is an article "A Lost World Emerges." The author is Nathaniel Scharping. The article is about a 2016 LIDAR scanning of about 800 square miles around Tikal in northern Guatemala. This is just a fraction of the former Maya territory which spanned thousands of square miles, yet the LIDAR revealed some 60,000 previously unknown structures. So far, the group, led by archaeologist Thomas Garrison, has uncovered other unknown city-states near Tikal with limestone roads running from city to city. Unexpectedly, the group found Maya structures built expressly for defensive warfare. These include ditches, moats, ramparts, high walls, fortresses, and a series of watch towers. Many of these surround or are near the major cities. In one place the group uncovered a mound of sling stones which could have been potential ammo from over 1,000 years ago.
The findings closely match the fortifications Captain Moroni caused to be built, as described in the Book of Mormon in Alma 49-50.
What are you saying 'That's a hard pill to swallow.' Yes, faith can be hard at times, but is necessary to follow God. The more I study the Bible, Book of Mormon, other scriptures, and I really must include ancient and modern writings, the more faith I have. They seem to go hand in hand. But, to get to a level of understanding things about God, faith is required and precedes the act of studying. And, for some, viewing this video is considered an act of study.
@@junekroner6382 I guess growing up Mormon and being told since day 1 that the BOM was based on the Indians of Central America, etc., and know the church is now saying it doesn't really matter, is the hard pill to swallow. I didn't even know that JS "translated" the BOM with a rock in the hat either, or that he had 34 wives and that Emma was the 23rdthat was sealed to him. I don't deem that as faith, I conclude that to be deception.
@@Cryptosifu I've heard that some people think the General Authorities have deceived them over the decades. I've never really known anyone who believes this. I joined the Church when I was 27 years old. I was raised Lutheran. As a Lutheran, I was taught to think independently and find out for myself who God is, what place does the Bible have in my life (ex.: Is it the truly God's word, do I want to read it ) and that Jesus loves me and to be good and kind to others as Jesus is. I was also taught that I can talk to God and he can talk to me in my heart of hearts.
I say this because, I want to explain that I and many, many other protestants were given a foundation of independent thinking and searching for truth. I live in what I've been told is the 'mission field.' I think most of us who were raised protestants and independent from multiple LDS generations, understand that we have to gain knowledge of what is true through more than what a teacher teaches, from more than what our parents taught us. Members of the Church are human, and humans make mistakes. We can get offended by other LDSs, because people make mistakes. We can also let it roll off our backs.
You mention you were deceived. That truly is a 'hard pill to swallow.' I empathize with your feelings that you were deceived. But not concerning the information you mentioned. Maybe, there is comfort in knowing that everyone gets deceived about something at one time or another.
I can refer you to an author who speaks about the variable subjects you mention of this sort members and anti-mormons discuss. But, I don't remember his name right now. I can find out.... If you are interested, I will send you information so you can look him up.
I have been a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for 42 years. I have a great testimony of the gospel--it's the people I can't stomach from dishonest bishops to the many cliques in wards. No wonder so many people leave the church. Even President Hinckley said that it's the people of the church who cause members to leave. I don't think this is how the Lord intended his true church to be ran, but reality is reality.
I feel your concerns. It pains me to say that what you say here is most definitely true. A culture has been fostered where a lot of members are very difficult to get along with. I think a lot of it is overreaction to the word of God, and His prophets. I have actually met members that would eat meat sparingly (not considering that its way past the exodus from the Eastern United States).
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yeah I think I understand what you're saying and it bothers me too that some people in the church act like they're more concerned with living the Mosaic law then the gospel restored by Jesus Christ and the way that it was very very different from the Mosaic law. it is different. Moses law had no Grace there's no grace of God in the laws. the letter of the law killeth it is a spirit which giveth life. that spirit is Grace
Your book is not the bible
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It’s another doctrine altogether and contrary to the word of God. It contradicts who God says He is. God has proven His word, the Holy Bible with prophecies that were thousands of years into the future. Only He knows the end from the beginning and all things in between.Isaiah 46:9-10, 9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: He is the Great I AM. Yet, the Mormons are following the doctrine of a man that is less than 200 years old. I left the Mormon church about 3 years ago because it’s teachings are contrary to the words of God himself.
IF this happened in South America, how did the tablets end up buried in up-state New York?
Her conjectures are wrong. Anyone who pays attention while reading the Book of Mormon will know it takes place on both the North and the South continents. The Southern continent was settled first. Hundreds of years later, people began to explore and settle the Northern one. By the end of the history, the final wars are conducted, it would seem, along the East Coast of North America.
God gave them something really useful called "Legs" that allowed them to travel around.
Mexico is in North America and borders the United States.
@@someonetough87 ....your arguments are not supported, so far by archaeological facts
It’s a scam.
This gospel is so far from what Jesus taught, sad. So many people are being deceived and it breaks my heart.
You people actually believe this? This is a different gospel. We have to reject it or we can’t claim Jesus Christ. I love you all enough to tell you this, GOD Bless you 🙏🏼
This information contains so much speculation . . .
Here are some facts that call into question the historicity of the Book of Mormon:
1. Never has one coin, sword, shield, cimeter, writing, or any other artifact been connected with the Book of Mormon story.
2. The Hill Cumorah, where Mormon's last battle was fought, is in New York State, thousands of miles from MesoAmerica. Joseph clearly stated that the known Cumorah is the very place.
3. Joseph's teachings suggested North America.
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You are correct. Read my reply to Tracey B above.
No more speculation than any scholarship uses to prove the veracity of the old testament.
What would you know, about the assumptions of the book of Mormon?! Have you read it?!.
We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
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Apostle James Talmage wrote, "...who, in his right mind could for one moment suppose the Bible in its present form to be a perfect guide? Who knows that even one verse of the Bible has escaped pollution." (Divine Authority of the Book of Mormon, p. 47) Joseph Smith himself said, "Many insertions were made, some of them 'slanted' for selfish purposes, while at times deliberate falsifications and fabrications were perpetrated" (As Translated Correctly, p. 4).
The translation of the King James bible was done by people working for king James. The latin Vulgate was done by papal scholars. The Lutheran (German translation) was done by Martin Luther. And so on. Each version of the bible reflected the understanding and biases of the translators. This is why we have to temper our belief with the clause "as far as it is translated correctly."
On top of that the source documents for each of the translations have unverifiable provinances themselves.
Many forget that many portions of The Book of Mormon came in the middle of The Old Testament and before The New Testament.
Why do we even need the book of Mormon when there is the Bible already?
The problem is that the rest of Christianity reads the bible and they can't agree on many points of doctrine, The Book of Mormon is a companion to the Bible that helps clear up some of those points and clarifies others. It helps to put down false doctrines and establish correct ones.
@@jamesmccluskey391 You have not mentioned any discrepancies or doubts with other LDS scriptures. Why?
For those of you who don't accept the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, could you please take a step back from your accusations and negativity? Let's treat everyone as the Savior would, with respect and tolerance. No matter what Christian denomination you associate yourself with, we all worship Christ and follow his teachings; Mormons included.
Your critics are trying to help you.
Think about it: if there were a shred of truth to what Joseph taught, the papyri would be the oldest original Biblical document by more than 1,000 years. WOW!!!
You can't tell me that would not be the greatest archaeological find of the 19th century.
Yet, amazingly, nobody outside the church seems at all interested.
Can you explain why the world has such a lack of interest?
Because the plates 'are gone'
I want the soundtrack!!!
As a non-Mormon, the people in the comments need to grow up. A lot of people who don't actually know anything about Mesoamerica except what they have picked up by skimming some criticisms of LDS apologetics. Go read what Michael Coe has said about Sorenson- obviously disagrees with him strongly, but has praised his scholarly work and lauded him as a genuine scholar. Sometimes people just disagree. There's no grand conspiracy to lie to you.
The Book of Mormon is a thoroughly complex and integrated ancient record with over a hundred named characters and a chronology and internal geography that stay consistent through numerous subplots, flashbacks, journeys and lengthy sermons. The narrative is complex and can be difficult to follow. The negative comments on this video are coming from non scholarly and incompetent individuals that have not studied or even read the Book of Mormon.
Any chance that you could find out for me where Zarahemla is.
I am wondering whether the reason for many of the comments is because people forget that this documentary if BY members of the LDS church FOR members of the LDS church. They are not trying to convince non-members to believe in the Book of Mormon. They are trying to figure out where the different locations in the B of M could have been. They are going from the premises that the people watching are people who already believe in the book as a true record.
Aubergine1941 Believing in a book that you believe is true, Doesn't make it true !!! A book, That is, any said historical book making claims that talks about a people, places (fortified cities like *Zarahemla* ), tools (coins, swords, chariots), And alike. Would have many, Many, MANY external evidences to support it (The said historical book)
Today we can go to Bethany, Bethlehem, Baal-hazor, Capernaum, Damascus, Galilee And many, Many MANY, more places, And find external evidences to support them, (coins, swords, chariots).
External evidences supports the claims that are made in the HOLY BIBLE about a people, places, tools, and alike.
So far, I don't see evidence for the BoM.
Again I ask : Any chance that you could find out for me where Zarahemla is.!!!
Jesus Defender Copying and pasting early word change examples from the 1830 edition and the 2013 edition does not mean that you have read or studied the Book of Mormon. Further it does not make you look intelligent as to know the Book of Mormon
Dane Hoover The book of Mormon is the best book on earth we have to help us draw nearer to Jesus Christ. There is a promise at the end of the book that if heeded can change the way anyone looks at this book. It takes Faith.
"And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things."
This is the essence of my testimony of the Book of Mormon. The Holy Ghost will witness to any honest seeker of truth the validity of the Book of Mormon. It has for millions. It has for me. I absolutely love the Book of Mormon!!
There was a mention of codices from ancient mesoamerican civilizations, do any of these mention Jared or Lehi or Nephi or Laman. Any archaeologist will tell you you cannot completely hide an entire civilization. Even if you erase the names you cannot hide the innovations, the offspring of the animals, the metallurgy or many of the different details that the book of Mormon claims which would have been beneficial to those who destroyed the nephites. Those things simply do not match.
You claim that the languages must have changed over time, and yet the entire book was written in reformed Egyptian which must have been brought with them or developed by the peoples of mesoamerica. Yet, no examples of this are in the codices of mesoamerica.
For the most correct book in history you would expect to find things that just aren't there.
I respectfully submit that there is NO scientific archeological evidence for any evidence of Book of Mormon presence in the new world. The truth hurts, doesn't it?
"32 top scholars" from what or of what?
After watching this i feel so much dummer
When someone says that scholars think this or believe that, etc., they are saying that there is a belief among scholars that such in such is true. You have to go to their reference page/s to find the specific scholars mentioned.
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When someone says that scholars think this or believe that, etc., they are saying that there is a belief among scholars that such in such is true. You have to go to their reference page/s to find the specific scholars mentioned.
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1. Thank you for stating the obvious.
2. Where in the documentary are the references listed, specified, or stated?
@@nedthumberland If I wanted to read the references I would look in the packaging of the CD or video. If it was not there I would contact the makers of the film.
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If I wanted to read the references I would look in the packaging of the CD or video. If it was not there I would contact the makers of the film.
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It is the presenter's/speaker's duty to provide the references, not the audience's.
It is extremely irresponsible as a presenter or an interviewee who speaks on a topic of such importance and weight to randomly mention "32 scholars" without at least mentioning a few of them in a so-called "documentary" like this.
A responsible producer or editor of a "documentary" would edit that part out instead of keeping it without the references listed or stated somehow.
I would love to hear these people on the video discuss the steel swords, the wheel, chariots, horses, elephants, and other anachronisms in the book of mormon.
Look at Rod Meldrums heartland model it’s all right here in central North America
The info is there. Research it. Don't just sit there waiting for someone else to do the work for u.
They won’t cuz they don’t shit..
@@marceabecerras2661the “info” also supplied by the Mormons? Amy outside info/research refutes the teachings of ol Joe the non-profit. Your “heavenly father” is blasphemy to the ONLY true god. The only God there ever was. The only God there is. The only God there ever will be. Isaiah 45: 5-12
Come to Christ and repent. Not the brother of Satan and off spring of an unholy adulterous union between Heavenly Father and a married woman. The true Christ. John 1:1.
Every question you have is right here:
youtube.com/@mormonstories
Don't go to Mormon Stories if you want to continue the LIE!
(a Mormon here) I think a lot of LDS have a skewed idea of the grace/works relationship. There's simply not enough accurate teaching about it in our culture. But according to our basic doctrine and evidences from the scriptures(both Bible and Book of Mormon),you're right,we cannot attain salvation/exaltation based on our own efforts.It's grace 100%.Our faith and works are how we show God that we want to receive that saving grace in our lives.That's what I've come to understand about the 'debate'
Okay so I'm gonna shit on a temple and God will give me grace so I can do cool god stuff in the next life
True.
and in pre-existence we were not forced to want to come here by any way shape or form it was our choice 100% because free agency didn't originate here it originated in pre-existence.! so we do have a choice we even had the choice to not come here to this earth but those are of us who were born who are living today proves that we wanted to come and that we rejoiced over Jesus Christ's plan for mankind. that we would choose his side where we would not be forced to do anything even while we were on this Earth during our sojourn and our migration so to speak of returning to heaven.
Wow, I was still Mormon when I wrote this. Dang, youtube is old now
@@hope1575 and what are you now? Blessings!
The works follow naturally from faith through being an instrument of the Holy Spirit.
I've seen enough videos that warn people against the cult of Mormonism and I just can't keep watching angry people spout off in a bitter cold spirit. So, now watching this I can clearly see a dramatic contrast where the anti-Mormon videos are ripe with anger and bitterness and mockery, while this video isn't attacking anything, the people seem happy and a heck of a lot more calm and collected than the people making the ranting raving anti-Mormon videos. I think I might watch this one all the way through. If it's true or not I don't care, I feel like a better person by just watching the people in the video.
Mars Mahoney If you want to see a contrast between people in Anti-Mormon videos ad Pro-Mormon videos I suggest watching "The BIble vs The Book of Mormon" and "LDS scholars review the Bible vs The Book of Mormon". There's a huge difference in the look on peoples faces.
Mars Mahoney You have to experience it to understand. I encourage you to investigate Mormonism with a pure heart and as Christ has taught us to do. He tells us that good fruit comes only from good trees. As you begin asking legitimate questions from reading and studying the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham, you might be inspired at first and think they are true, but as you start asking legitimate questions in the process, members will think that you are an anti-Mormon pretending to be interested. You'll see. The hostility you read and hear about and witness is due to the anger of those caught in the mind cult of Mormonism. I know. I was a victim, and they darned near ruined my life for asking about everything they taught with a presentation based on their own canon of Scripture. You invest your whole life in the Church, believing and bearing false witness that you know the Church is true, and it takes that first legitimate question to have you in the bishop's office being accused of Apostasy just for asking what the Church teaches you to ask. You bet there's a lot of anger and bitterness, and for good reason, but you'll have to see what I mean for yourself.
Nolan-Amory Kingston , thanks for disclosing your interest in this video. It's apparent what brings you here.
***** Yes, the facts.
Nolan-Amory Kingston You comment of 13 hrs ago below does not allow for reply so I'll put it here. A DNA study by Emory University, accepted by the Smithsonian, acknowledges that some Native Americans have ancestry in common with peoples in modern Israel and the Mediterranean area.
Scientists now agree with accounts in the Book of Mormon that the Americas were settled by multiple maritime crossings of the Pacific and Atlantic oceans; not by the Siberian Land Bridge only.
A recent discovery (2007) of pre-Colombian chickens in the Americas is one more example of an animal mentioned in the Book of Mormon for which there was no previous evidence.
And there is much more evidence for those willing to seek it out from reliable sources.
Exellent biblical critique.
May our LORD and Savior Jesus the Christ continue to bless you and your ministry.
God saves you, not Jesus
The messiah taught about God not that he was god
Would a knowledgeable LDS member kindly answer me some questions?
1. Question: How does the mormon church explain the lack of metallurgy in the the time the BOM was written?
2. How does the church explain the issues with horses and chariots
crickets....
@@Cryptosifu That's funny.
@F. Moussa You’re asking about Book of Mormon anachronisms. Check out this short video by Saints Unscripted, it goes over this. Here’s the link: ruclips.net/video/kGSEBwZMpsA/видео.html
@@supervegeta1833 I think you’re missing the point entirely. Jesus Christ is indeed the truth, but the Book of Mormon is a pack of lies that will only take you to hell. If you want to be saved, you only need to recognize that Jesus Christ paid the price for your sins and that your only way to heaven is to recognize that he completed the work on the cross when he was raised back to life. There’s nothing you can do for your own salvation, it’s a free gift for all who accept Jesus sacrifice paid the price completely
@@narrowistheway77 If you’re a mainstream Christian, I’ve got questions for you. Why didn’t God just create us all in Heaven in the first place? Why come to Earth to grow if we’re just going to be singing praises to God for eternity anyway? Why didn’t God only create those He knew would obey Him so nobody ended up suffering in Hell? Did God create all the rules that govern eternity? If so, could God create a rule that anyone who breaks a rule can be forgiven if they are sincerely sorry and change? If so, why was Jesus’s sacrifice necessary? What happens to all those who died without ever hearing about Jesus Christ in their lifetime and having a chance to repent of their sins through Him? Why did God create marriage in the first place if it’s just going to cease to exist after this life anyway? Please, I’d like to hear your answer to any or all of these questions.
I am in tears.....I love this.... I am Catholic but I believe the LDS church after years of study...This is beautiful...ty...
+smokymountaingirl Betsy You should not fall for this bunch of lies.
your thoughts?
smokymountaingirl Betsy Not only mine , this video is based in speculation and half truths. There is not archeologic , linguistic or genetic support for the Book of Mormon claims, and the only ones searching desperately for similarities between history and the BoM are members of the LDS academic comunity , there is no place or ancient ruin in ancient America that could be related with Hebrews.
Just a little example of the flaws of this theory: The "Land Northward" is on the West, and the "land southward" in on the East.
A young man, that wasn't educated, but a farmboy.. translated a book in 3 months. a book in which is beyond anything ever written within a lifetime of any author.. just happens that in this book it speaks of a land and a people that align so well with this very area in which the archeology timeline also matches with quite perfectly.
the only way of knowing any truth is through the spirit of the lord, you won't find more assurance anywhere else.
smokymountaingirl Betsy I’m afraid you went from one cult to another.
I am a Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I am neither stupid nor ignorant. While reading the comments I am struck by the miserableness of those who object to our beliefs.
"believe the same as i do or you're miserable."
People who object to your belief (especially real Christians) are trying to help you.
Thank you for helping me understand your beliefs.
I'm not a member of the Mormon church , but I am always open to evidence and alternative narrative to that which is officially accepted. This is an interesting documentary and thoroughly informative and compelling. What is interesting and significant is the explosion of stone building that occurs in Meso-America around the time of Nephite expansion, not seen in North America. If official narratives are believed it doesn't explain this huge difference. Meso-America is lush with hard woods, yet stone (as used in Israel and Egypt) is used in the building of most structures. There is such difference in culture between meso-America and North America that official narratives ignore and remain unexplained. A Mormon narrative has interesting points to make in answering these significant differences and oddities.
Look at Rod Meldrums heartland model it’s all right here in central North America
As soon as I heard MesoAmerica I knew you are going way off base, so turned it off.
You'd be doing good to delete the entire program so more people don't get deceived.
It all has become a second nature to me; and I feel, like Paul, to glory in tribulation; for to this day has the God of my fathers delivered me out of them all, and will deliver me from henceforth; for behold, and lo, I shall triumph over all my enemies, for the Lord God hath spoken it.
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 127:2)
Book of Mormon belongs under fiction.
I watch lots of documentaries, and the first 12 minutes of this bored me to tears. All they're doing is talking about the where, not the what or why.
I know what you mean about being bored at first. Try watching it to the end. It gets better. And, of course, reading some of the Book of Mormon helps prepare us to understand more of what they are saying.
Joseph Smith found so many artifacts in Ohio during the Zion's camp. Even in my town library describe the local ancient fortress as described by Alma. Even Hugh Nibley identified the Hopewell as the Nephites.
rocco deluca lmfao please
Lol
Hugh Nibley would be distressed at the way his statements have been misused by the Heartland advocates. He was commenting on Nephite fortifications looking more like some Hopewell sites than the massive stone cities of the Inca. And in that he is correct, but that does not necessarily require a connection between the nephites and the Hopewell. A technology such as this type of fortification can spontaneously occur. But if you NEED a connection between nephites and "Heartland" evidence, look no further than the text: Alma 63; Helaman 3. And Yes, Joseph DID know. He wrote or published the Times and Seasons articles describing a Mesoamerican setting. Look at his letter to Bishop Burnhiesle after receiving the books by Stephens and Catherwood. Joseph knew, because Moroni showed him his people and his history and his trials and travels. I know the works and writings of Hugh Nibley, he's a hero of mine....and neither Rob Meldrum or Wayne May are a Hugh Nibley. Nibley would be hurt at the way they have used him to help "sell" their BOM geography theories.
@rocco DeLuca In the March 2019 edition of "Discover Magazine" on page 26, is an article "A Lost World Emerges." The author is Nathaniel Scharping. The article is about a 2016 LIDAR scanning of about 800 square miles around Tikal in northern Guatemala. This is just a fraction of the former Maya territory which spanned thousands of square miles, yet the LIDAR revealed some 60,000 previously unknown structures. So far, the group, led by archaeologist Thomas Garrison, has uncovered other unknown city-states near Tikal with limestone roads running from city to city. Unexpectedly, the group found Maya structures built expressly for defensive warfare. These include ditches, moats, ramparts, high walls, fortresses, and a series of watch towers. Many of these surround or are near the major cities. In one place the group uncovered a mound of sling stones which could have been potential ammo from over 1,000 years ago.
The findings closely match the fortifications Captain Moroni caused to be built, as described in the Book of Mormon in Alma 49-50.
Who Nibley?
Well, I dont belive in mormornisem. But I respect your religous views and I'm not even going to bash it.
Ps. Im catholic.
@Clark Brammer and i laugh my ass off. 2 people who believe in fairy tales agree with each other. who would have thought...
Its hard to respect mormonism when you were raised mormon, and your mormon family treats you like your stupid and a bad person for no longer believing.
Thank you
@@safiya9504 being disappointed or sad that someone’s family member left their church is nothing unique to members of the LDS church. I baptized quite a few members of other faiths into the LDS faith and watched sadly as they were disowned, written out of wills, kicked out of their homes, and shunned. I’m sorry that you decided to leave the Church of Jesus Christ, I hope you’ve found what you’re looking for. By the way, what church did you end up going to after you left God’s church? Are you still a Christian? Atheist now? I’m just curious...
@@kintarooe7745 funny stuff! So what do YOU believe in when it comes to a God? Just curious...
Rigorous scholarly research??? You've got it completely wrong. Peru and Ecuador are the lands of the Book of Mormon. Just ask George Potter.
I believe that the Book of Mormon is the word of God,so please I advice you if you find the book please read it with your pure heart,don't think of so many rubbish and of what people says,I humble say that,please don't judge the book by its cover
This video speaks of evidence. Kindly advise what the evidence you speak of is. What I saw was mere speculation, not evidence. What exactly did I miss? Has the speculation of DNA evidence been discussed or did I miss that? The only reason that people become fluxed, as the brother in the video stated, when looking for evidence, as Mormon Scriptures have always taught us to seek, is because the Book of Mormon has to be false. If the Scriptures are of Christ who said his way is easy, then there should be no concern about people basing their belief in the Book of Mormon on evidence. I have read the Book of Mormon in English numerous times throughout my life, once in Japanese, Spanish, German, and French, have taken the Book of Mormon Challenge, and keep getting the same answer, that the Book of Mormon is false. No matter what language I read it in, they all say the same thing, and they all are in conflict with Mormon practice and doctrine. Now they are in conflict with physical DNA evidence, so my question is why would these brethren tell their audience that we would be discombobulated, if you will, if we rely on actual evidence? Look, I am not "anti-Mormon," but all I want out of Mormonism is to prove what they teach is true. I have witnessed personally why people with genuine intelligence and common sense of a normally prudent person get accused of being anti-Mormon just because they ask questions. When the assumed anti-Mormon presents the case behind his legitimate questions, Mormons get hostile and upset which then reflects upon the behavior of the one asking the question. While this was a very beautifully presented video, I have to admit that it throws in a lot more suspicion on the verity of the Book of Mormon. Bottom line, they are a bunch of liars.
Here's a different approach that you may find worthwhile. ruclips.net/video/DT7wCM6BPPU/видео.html
The case is and has always centered around plausibility. Multiple candidates that fit the known facts do not diminish plausibility, they just make the process of identification more difficult. One could cherry pick any individual fact, and find a culture or location that is in harmony with that fact, but finding a culture or location that is in harmony with all the facts is the goal to establish plausibility.
Many have centered around a geographic feature - the narrow neck of land - as the place to start looking for candidates. Another tack is to look for places that have undergone significant geographic change, in accordance with the cataclysm mentioned in 3rd Nephi. The cataclysm is so unfamiliar to us, so outside of our own experience, that it sounds fanciful. Yet there is a strong candidate for that cataclysm. Apoyeque is a volcano in Nicaragua that erupted around the time of Christ's death. It was an order of magnitude greater than Mt. St. Helens. The entire face of Nicaragua was changed, with a large part of the land now covered in water. The Book of Mormon talks about cities being burned, sunken into the sea, or buried under mountains. It also talks about thick darkness covering the land for three days, and the inability to start fires. All of this is in harmony with what we now know of similar sized volcanic eruptions. In 1889 a volcano called Krakatoa erupted in Indonesia with a similar force. The ash blotted out the sunlight for three days in the area. The shape and topography of the island itself was permanently altered. So the question I put to you is this; did some ancient historian describe one of the most terrifying events in human history, or did Joseph Smith just make it up and get incredibly lucky?
This is a history of a society that existed years ago. A people that arrived in a new world holds the lessons of Moses to heart. During a great earthquake and erruption of a volcano, the people unite under the return of Christ in order to prove the word of the gospel. What is so hard to understand about that?
One part this really misses is how the plates end up in NY all the way from central america
Well didn't the Book of Mormon said that Moroni kept running cause he was the last. If so then maybe he fled all the way to New York, where he died soon after he buried the plates.
@@strangerinwhite He carried 60 lbs plates plus all supplies necessary to survive in the wilderness? If he had a pack animal he would have stood out more plus it would have been tougher to hide. I think a better scenario is the last stand for the Nephites was NYS. There were quite a number of ancient fortification there in the early 1800's.
There is only one Hill Cumorah. View Rod Meldrum and Wayne May. Might also want to review what Joseph Smith actually wrote and said, not what the “scholars” want you to believe.
@@mattmeagher365 I loved their evidence video!
Getting tired of hearing scholars in the church spending their life time trying to prove the places mentioned in the Book of Mormon.
Me just get worders cos they are trying to make also moves
Drum 4Fun , it is their time there that they're using.
@Drum 4Fun If it bothers you so much, why do you listen? Did someone force you to come here?
It always tickles me to see the comments by anti-Mormons criticizing the church for its beliefs, when they rely on quoting Paul and not Jesus Christ Himself. These are the same people who also believe that God and Jesus Christ are the same person, which leads to two questions: 1.Who did the voice from Heaven belong to after Jesus was baptized? 2.If God and Christ are the same person, was Christ a ventriloquist?
This strengthens my testimony of the gospel of Jesus Christ!
How do the plates get to New York?
Moroni went searching for the lost Nephite colonies that sailed to the north.
@@robertrosskopf4641 I would like to correct my statement previously made based on new archeological evidence that I've found out about the heart land seems to be the real place where the book of mormon happened this vid is extremely old and displaying a view that originated from the rlds church and somehow got up in the tanks of BYU and they were convinced it was Meso America but there seems to be evidence to the contrary and evidence actually supports the idea of it happening in the heart land
@@brian5128 I have dismissed the heartland model as a possibility. Although it is possible that Nephites established a colony south of the Great Lakes, it is extremely unlikely that the Book of Mormon describes any part of North America. Nephi describes the land as being rich in gold, silver and copper, just after arriving. The Great Lakes area is rich in copper, which has been mined for thousands of years, but lacking in gold or silver. It is also notable that Nephi couldn't have done the survey himself. The time and effort to search for rare ores is substantial. He had to have gone to a previously established marketplace to discover what was available. Bow and arrows were also a recent arrival to North American natives, and were not available in North America at the time of the Book of Mormon. The cities described in the Book of Mormon cannot be found in North America, as North American natives had camps, and these camps were mobile. There were no roads, just trails. The Jaredites, which inhabited the land to the north, were the ones who carved their history on stone. No such histories have ever been found in Canada. They are characteristic of Mexico, and lands farther south. The Hill Cumorah in New York is likely a namesake, as it holds no military advantage. There is no reason to select this hill, one of hundreds of such hills in the area, as the place of final battle, and no reason to believe the enemy would even know where it was. There is no fresh water on the hill, nor is the hill sizeable enough for such a battle. It is made from the debris of a retreating glacier, and not suitable for caves. Much better candidates can be found in Mesoamerica. The Mayan long count appears to be present in the Book of Mormon, and the Mayan system of cycles. The weights and measures used by the Nephites is certainly something one would expect in a large marketplace, and not a small village. The only report of such a system in the Americas is in Mesoamerica, although this is disputed. The Nephites were small in numbers, so there is no reason to assume that the Lamanites or anyone else used this system. It certainly wasn't described by Cortez, when he visited a large marketplace. Chariots likely refers to litters, which to the Hebrew way of thinking was a riding seat. Litters have not be found in North America, but were used by kings and generals for travel in Mexico and lands farther south. The biggest problem with a North American theory, is the relative stability of the geology. There are few earthquakes, and no one could describe the land as broken up in seams and fissures. There are no known volcanic eruptions in recent North American history that could account for the description in 3rd Nephi. There was one in Nicaragua which is the perfect size for such an eruption, and it occurred around the time of Christ.
Personally, I believe finding the volcanic eruption, which would have left behind significant deposits of ash and debri, is a much better starting place than identifying the "narrow neck". Every theory has a narrow neck.
@@robertrosskopf4641 wow that's an extremely interesting analysis I thankyou for taking the time to share that with me it's really interesting to think about I'm not an archaeologist or any sort of book of mormon historian or scholar so I just know what I've been given for facts
Magic fairies came and wiggled their asses and it came to pass
The Book of Mormon has hundreds of corrections, which clearly indicates that no divine origin but very human, even the Book of Mormon today has many contradictions with the Bible, the Mormon leadership possibly correcting anger.
The Bible says in John 20:31 "But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name."
and 2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teach, to reprove, correcting and training in righteousness, so that may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."
these verses teach that the Bible is more than enough because we believe in Jesus Christ ETERNAL LIFE and we are prepared ENTIRELY. (not part says). therefore do not need any more book.
No archaeologist neutral (not mormon) that guarantees the Israelis came to America, no serious study that supports this theory
This is so false do your own home work
I absolutely loved watching this, and I have shared it with my friends. Beautifully done!! I have been a member of the LDS Church all of my life and I've read the Book of Mormon multiple times but I learned several things from this video I never knew. My two favorite quotes: "One plus God is enough" and "The important [message] in the Book of Mormon is that Christ lives". So true!
Certainly not the Christ of the Bible, because he was neither born in Jerusalem (Matthew 2:1), nor was he a created being (John 1:1), nor was he product of any sexual relationship between heavenly Father and Mary (Luke 1:34,35). The Christ of Mormonism, like the Christ of Islam, is nothing but the figment of man's imagination. Any man who believes in Santa Claus will believe in such a Christ.
If you have only viewed this video I would recommend you view the Wayne May and Rod Meldrum videos, I'm 68 and have been following the MesoAmerican model for decades . . . . until the Hopewell & Adena spheres were brought up and laid before the world. The Spirit taught me the truth and I see and feel it in the videos posted by Firm Foundation and the scriptures of the BoM only confirm it. "The Hinterland" is in MesoAmerica, not the other way around. The Heartland is where the BoM took place, but hey, watch and pray and you will feel it yourself.
Yea JS knew the Bible inside out and then he comes out and says he seen God the father and his Son in a vision? Why? When at the time all thought they were one? Why would a man die for a book he made up? He knew he was gonna die when he went to jail. He wrote about it. THE BOOK IS ANOTHER WORD OF GOD!
Niagara means the neck in the Native language. It divides the Land North from the Land South. the Hill Cumorah, being in the land South
Smart
I am a member of the church and I know the Book of Mormon is a true record of a people that lived in the North American Continent. It did NOT take place in Mesoamerica and those that advocate this ridicules notion is purely misguided.
Duane Watts Well said...
What about the Mayan temples in your church paintings? Ignorant man, your own leaders are blind and you eat their foul doctrine up and say give me more.
Vesperi Randsau Before you start calling names and proving what an ass you are, you should do a little research on the subject. I have been following the research of Wayne May, and Rod Meldrum, two LDS Archeologists. These two professionals have written several books and made several videos on the subject of the Book of Mormon and the Ancient Hopewell Indian Culture. So I need to ask how many books have you written on this subject?
The LDS Church has not, officially, taken a stand as to where the Book of Mormon took place because it stands alone as a another testament of Jesus Christ and contains his true doctrine as a companion to the Bible. The only ignorant people are the ones that open their mouths without thinking of what they're saying.
If you would just visit www.mormon.org and read some of the information there and request a free Book of Mormon, and read it, then perhaps you and I might be able to discuss this intelligently. It wouldn't hurt for you to lose that hateful attitude of yours either. Otherwise I'm afraid you are going to remain as clueless as you are.
Duane Watts I've looked into that too. It seemed plausable to me. Recently, I noticed some things I didn't like about that idea. The proponents of it seemed to be capitalizing monetarily on the idea. I didn't like the internal squabling with fellow proponents either, nor the insults passed to archeologists who disagreed with them. Finally, I studied a thorough refutation of the Hopewell land hypothesis, which makes alot more sense to me now. I learned that when a high quality, multi-volume book on the Mayan civiliations was presented to him, Joseph Smith studied it, and wrote in the Times and Seasons, basically identifying the land of the Mayan book portrayed the land of the Book of Mormon. The Hopewell theorists have taken a hard line against this argument. They said that Joseph Smith was either absent, or too busy, to know what his people were printing in the Times and Seasons. Consequently, a thorough study was launched, including a word analysis examination, which showed that it was many orders of magnitude more likely to be Joseph Smith's own word's than anyone elses. In this study, I've learned there are significant arguments against the Hopewell idea. Lack of Gold, Silver, Copper, and Iron in the eastern states. Such was plentiful in the Book of Mormon land and in the west coast of North and South American, and never very plentiful east of the Rocky Mountains. If the ores had played out their would be tell-tale signs of it. There are many other sound arguments against the Hopewell hypothesis. I also disagreed with the unprofessional attitude of the Hopewell advocates when faced with these arguments. They seemed as though it was too personal to them. It was like they were defending their psuedo religious-business operations, rather than an unbiased search for truth. This attitude is similar to attacks seen in forums like this, from people who are overly angry against those who would disagree with them. This bears out to me as unprofessional, mean spirited, and just wrong.
Kenneth Madsen "I've learned there are significant arguments against the Hopewell idea. Lack of Gold, Silver, Copper, and Iron in the eastern states. Such was plentiful in the Book of Mormon land and in the west coast of North and South American, and never very plentiful east of the Rocky Mountains. If the ores had played out their would be tell-tale signs of it. "Wrong, there are many ores around the Great Lakes region. Native copper lays upon the ground even today. :) :)There are many videos out there on this topic. The BoM times played out up and down eastern AND central America.
2 minutes in, and you're already neck deep in false premises.
The Book of Mormon text does NOT support the fact that there were other peoples in America, just as it doesn't mention snow, yet you assume the first to be incorrect, and the 2nd to be indicative.
The Book of Mormon says this land was preserved for the righteous and that none could come here expect through the power of god. It also says they filled the land.
Fact first, then conclusion. The other way around is faulty.
The first Journey of Faith video is stronger in terms of definitive places (Nahom and Bountiful) but there are a lot of fascinating parallels presented here and I think gives us a picture of what was really going on for Book of Mormons peoples, cutting through the influence of Joseph Smith's language and mind on the transmission of the text. Curious to see what the next 30 yrs of scholarship will uncover.
David Stoker "the influence of Joseph Smith's language and mind on the transmission of the text"? In normal literary translation, that's what happens: the translator's mind and language influence the way the text comes out, but wasn't Joseph Smith supposed to be divinely inspired and aided (the mystic stones)?
@@jamesvanderhoorn1117
It was by Revelation...
many of the revelations that were being given to Joseph Smith he wrote down but he had never he would have never known these things before receiving the revelations. even speaking in foreign languages he had never heard before....
The book of Mormon is the word of God. My eight year old kid knows more about Jesus Christ than all of the narcissistic modern day greed driven preachers. I read the book, prayed about it and received a direct revelation from God telling me it is true. That was 40 years ago and I have no regrets. I need no physical proof because the revelation I received from God trumps everything and is unforgettable. I bear witness to my statement in the name of Jesus Christ. AMEN
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day saints is the only true and living church upon the earth. The book of Mormon is true and truly testifies of Jesus Christ my savior. Any church that does not believe in prophesy is spiritually dead. I found out that the book of Mormon is true by personal revelation through the Holy Ghost. The true church is run by Jesus Christ through a prophet.That is how the lord has always led his people through out the scriptural history.
Yes just show him nailed to a cross. So if he had been killed with a whip would you want to hang him with a whip. Try not to be silly. The book of Mormon is true. It is a second witness of Jesus Christ. God will reveal the truth of it to anyone that sincerely reads it and then asks in faith if it is true. That is what I did and my prayer was answered in a remarkable way. I have no doubts about the divinity of the bible, the book of Mormon (another testament of Jesus Christ) and my savior Jesus Christ.
+Bush Baby
_The book of Mormon is the word of god"_ ... what what whaaaaat!!!
That is pure heresy!!
*Jesus* is the Word of God!!! In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
Jesus is the Word of God made flesh!!
And you heretically refer to a man made book containing fables as being the Word of God????
Woe unto you Bush Baby!!!!
I guess you've never actually read the bible as you would know that truth.
Jesus said that He was the way the truth and the life, He never said that the mormon religion or any other religion was also the way.
You have been sorely deceived by satan, the father of lies, to believe that the mormon church is true.
Anyone who needs convincing that their religion is true over wanting to know if Jesus is savior is not of the Lord. They care more about religion than Jesus.
Mormons will always defend mormonism because that is what they follow.
Christians will only ever defend the Word of God because He is the truth and He is who we follow.
True Christians follow Jesus!!
Jesus is the way, He is the narrow gate. All others are thieves and robbers but the sheep did not listen to them.
The sheep know Jesus's voice. The sheep will only ever follow Jesus.
If I want to read a book I will buy one that is interesting. I didn't read your long rant. The Book of Mormon is true. It is another testament of Jesus Christ the savior of the world.
Here's 2 Interesting Books, and they are FREE, let me know if you can see the truth anymore, seeing as both of these books were written BEFORE the BOM, and BOTH authors were in the same respectable location of Joseph's Myth, let me summarize the facts for you, Sidney Rigdon and Oliver Cowdry took these two books edited and plagerized the heck out of them. When 116 pages of the "translations" were "lost" by some dude named Marty something or other, they just commence building upon and with the elaborate imaginative stories that Joseph used to tell as a child, trying to recreate the contents. Ironically there's missing pages in Manuscript story/Manuscript Found too...read em they are pretty interesting, Ethan smith sets the stage for The Joseph's Myth IDEA, and he even references Isaiah and Malachi so Joe never had to actually look it up. OH and then theres the book of Abraham your joking me right? I'll add a link to that too. the BOM IS A LIE! YOU HAVE BEEN DECIEVED, AND YOU ARE BRAINWASHED! I don't rant, I research. I find truth, PERIOD!
archive.org/details/manuscriptfound.00spaurich archive.org/details/viewhebrewsexhi00smitgoog ruclips.net/video/utDU45lm210/видео.html ldsfacts.org/mormon-church-history/book-of-abraham-exposed/
I've been taught the place of landing was Mesoamerica. After researching, I found Joseph Fielding Smith stated the place where Lehi landed and all events took place was America not Mesoamerica. Please enlighten me.
I am LDS and ask where do the Hopewell fit into this?
Nowhere. The Hopewell Indians are from Ohio and have no genetic linkage to people from the Middle East or North Africa. They descended from Asians.
Nathaniel Borges DNA biased proof?
Scott M This is a quote from a study done by the Ohio University "In order to detect the level of mtDNA variation present within the Ohio Hopewell of the Hopewell Mound Group, RFLP testing for the five Native American haplotypes was conducted on the samples. Table 12 shows the overall distribution of the five Native American haplotypes. Haplotype X was not found while 41% of the individuals were haplotype A" (etd.ohiolink.edu/!etd.send_file?accession=osu1054605467, pg. 84). Again "Halotype X was not found." Haplogroup X "is subdivided into two major branches, here defined as “X1” and “X2.” The first is restricted to the populations of North and East Africa and the Near East, whereas X2 encompasses all X mtDNAs from Europe, western and Central Asia, Siberia, and the great majority of the Near East, as well as some North African samples" (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180497/).
You can read or look into the study to get more information, but the point that I wanted to focus on was that the Hopewell Indians descended from Asians. Like the majority of Native Americans.
see Wayne May___Book of Mormon Archaeology in North America. Joseph Smith rights about finding remains of Nephites in North America
After decades of rigorous scholarly research, you can only say LIKELY unfolded, not very convincing.
Well duh.. obviously they weren't there and the records have limited context.. so the best you can do is assume what likely happened based on the facts and evidence you have. Geez some people are so shallow
It is not the Catholic Church. That actually refers to any church that is anti Christ, that does evil, murdering and terrible things. I was Catholic and converted to the LDS Faith. I have complete respect for the Catholic Church. The Catholic church contacted the LDS church to work together to fight against Prop 8 and preserve the sanctity of marriage. I converted because I knew if my baby died without baptism, they would go to Heaven, not Hell or Limbo. Take care and God Bless
Please ask our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ to fill you with wisdom, knowledge, and discernment.
That is like asking God if Moby Dick is an inspired book.
Many of the responses from non-LDS in the comment section are clearly shallow and naive. The idea that these LDS scholars are intentionally deceiving the world or have basic misunderstandings of the disciplines in which they have been credentialed by world-renowned universities is foolish. It reflects the intellectual immaturity of one who cannot grasp or accept that matters are complex enough that intelligent, well-intentioned individuals might truly disagree.
I say that to preface my very strong criticism of the following argument.
At 29:55 and forward, Mark Alan Wright argues that Abinadi's statement in Mosiah 13:12 forbidding making a likeness of things "in the heaven above, the earth beneath, or in the waters under the earth" is a clue into the Mesoamerican context for the Book of Mormon- the Maya also held such a three-tiered cosmology. This is a stunningly bad argument. Here's why. A text in the Book of Mormon can only serve as evidence for an ancient production context if that text reflects features which are present in that context and also absent in Joseph's own specific context. As such, the Mesoamerican specialist must also educate himself about that environment in reasonable detail.
We know that Joseph was deeply molded by the KJV Bible. Its language appears all over the Book of Mormon- whether that reflects a translation choice on the part of Joseph or reflects his role as creator of the Book's content is another matter. Point is, we all agree that it forms part of that background. So how in the world can Mark Wright call Mosiah 13:12 evidence for Maya background with a straight face? It's an *obvious* reference to the Second Commandment:
(Exodus 20:4) "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Abinadi is making a near direct quotation. You don't need to go so far afield to find the production context for that passage in the Book of Mormon. It's staring you in the face in the most famous and well known passage from the Old Testament.
Made up rubbish.
Zarahemla is across from Nauvoo in Montrose IA. Ludhiana first landing was near the oldest Hopewell site in North America at Crystal River Florida. Alma ch 2 tells of the Hill Amnihu, located near Zarahemla across the river Sidon ie: Mississippi River.
Agreed. The Phoenicians were circumnavigating Africa about 100 years before Lehi’s journey. They went west around Africa and landed in the Florida/Georgia area. The latitude of Florida is the same as Jerusalem from which they brought seeds. And the seeds flourished because the climate was similar. Miraculous.
And there is evidence of Phoenicians at Cahokia mounds 500 years BC
I like the video but it's more like the History Channel than real history (my college major). I think religious experience is the LDS strong suit, not historical research.
Even anciently, you can't run 130 miles in one day through swamps and mountains. Give me break. They were humans too.
I think the book is B.S. But there are tribes that can run hundreds of miles in Mexico and very fast
@@noahidewarrior5838 not 130 miles through swamps and mountains.
@@krissander1 they live in the mountains
@@noahidewarrior5838 and..
For all of those who may be deceived on what we believe, the name on the side of our building is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" it does not say "The Church of Mormons". Let NO MAN say we do not worship our Lord Jesus Christ. Mark these words for the day will come when you will realize that we are the true disciples of Jesus Christ. The church is true and anyone who thinks it's not, I challenge you to visit our services and learn with a pure heart and you will testify of it too
It’s essential to read and understand what
Joseph Smith personally said and wrote about Book of Mormon lands as he's the
only prophet who translated the Book of Mormon records, repeatedly described
the peoples, animals and lands of the Book of Mormon "as if he had lived
there, his entire life," as his mother said. Here are the only facts we
have of Book of Mormon geography: -D&C 28:8 "And now, behold, I say unto you that you [Oliver Cowdery] should go unto the Lamanites and preach
my gospel unto them..." D&C 28:9 "...Behold, I say unto you that
it shall be on the borders by the Lamanites." -Revelation given from Jesus
Christ to the Prophet Joseph Smith, 1830 --D&C 30:6 "...for I have
given unto him power to build up my church among the Lamanites."
Revelation given from Jesus Christ to the Prophet Joseph Smith, 1830 -D&C
32:2 "And that which I have appointed unto him is that he shall go with my
servants, Oliver Cowdery and Peter Whitmer, Jun., into the wilderness among the
Lamanites." -Revelation given from Jesus Christ to the Prophet Joseph
Smith, 1830 -"The Book of Mormon is a record of the forefathers of our
western tribes of Indians... by it we learn that our western tribes of Indians
are descendants from that Joseph that was sold into Egypt, and that the land of
America is a promised land unto them. Personally written and signed by, Joseph
Smith Jun., 1833 Letter written by way of commandment from God to the Rochester
Observer. -"The whole of our journey, in the midst of so large a company
of social honest and sincere men, wandering over the plains of the Nephites,
recounting occasionally the history of the Book of Mormon, roving over the
mounds of that once beloved people of the Lord, picking up their skulls and
bones, as proof of its divine authenticity, and gazing upon a country the
fertility, the splendor and goodness so indescribable, all serve to pass away
time unnoticed. Personally written and signed by the hand of the Prophet Joseph
Smith, 1834. Joseph Smith personally
received revelation from God to send missionaries, one being the transcriber of
the Book of Mormon plates, to THE Lamanites, even to the border of the
Lamanites, in Missouri. Missionaries were immediately sent to: NY, OH, IN, IL
and MO, as commanded by Jesus Christ, testifying that the Book of Mormon is a
record of their ancestors and established the church there. Joseph Smith never
sent a single missionary to: Mexico, Central or South America, nor did any
Latter-day Saint prophet in over 75 years after the church's founding. Joseph
personally met with and testified of the Book of Mormon to the: Fox and Sac
Algonquin tribes of the Great Lakes, up until a week before his death, whom he
and U.S. national leaders described as Western tribes of Indians, as they were
forced from their lands in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Michigan, to Iowa and
westward. The Lord knows where the Lamanites lived, Joseph Smith knew where
they lived as he personally met with them and testified to them. Besides the plains of: Ohio, Indiana and
Illinois, locations where the Nephites lived, the ancient Nephite city of Manti,
Zelph’s mound, Adam’s alter that Nephites used and the Hill Cumorah, where
Joseph Smith personally testified of each location, we have no knowledge of
exact locations of the Book of Mormon, nor do we need to know their exact
locations but we do know exactly where Book of Mormon lands are, as revealed by
the Lord: Missouri to Western New York.
Any other theory is pure speculation and opinion that runs counter to
revelation from Jesus Christ and should be discarded and ignored, along with
all other opinions and speculation.
Remember, oh remember the Book of Mormon definition of a Lamanite: Anyone of the people who was not a follower of the Nephites prophets. And since the Lamanites destroyed the Nephites as a cohesive group, they, the Lamanites, were left to continue to spread across the continent and mix with the other people who were there, who would have also been considered Lamanites. which they likely did. That BoM definition of Lamanite would include all the people of the continent regardless of their ancestry or genetic origin.... including Brothet Zelph. So, your lengthy argument falls under the simple fact of how the BoM defines "Lamanite" (4 Nephi 1:37-38, as an example). Also a few more items, 1. You can't deny what Joseph said and wrote about the book by Stephen's and Catherwood, that their book on Mesoamerican reflected the BoM people. 2. The rest of the articles in the Times and Seasons supporting a Mesoamerican setting. 3. The descriptions of the travels of Moroni after the last great battle that resulted in two members named McBride and Hamilton producing rough maps indicating the city Bountiful was in central America. Those maps still exist and are in the Church Archives. 4. Helaman 3 says Nephites went into the land that were an "exceedingly great distance" north from the land Bountiful, to a land that not only had an east and west sea, but also had a north and south sea. Helaman, referring to these Nephites, contains the only such references to seas in 4 directions.
Brother Joseph left plenty of evidence the principle events of the Book of Mormon occurred in the region of Mesoamerica, as well as what the book itself actually says that corresponds to the Mexico - Guatemala area much better than to St. Louis or Buffalo, New York.
And don't hit me with the usual childish retort I've heard before "Who are you going to follow, a professor or a prophet?" That's not even a rational statement...
I prefer actual documentation,
clear facts and evidence rather than emotional appeals, speculation and supposition being peddled through books, dvd's and money-making lectures or "firesides" by folks wanting to make a name for themselves.
You and I both know The Church has made no "official declaration" as to the location of the principle events of the Book because it's message is more important than its mapping. It just really upsets me when some folks out there just can't pass up an opportunity to make a buck off the backs of the Saints.
I honestly believe a Mesoamerican setting is much more plausible based on what Joseph Smith said and what the book contains. But that's just my opinion. Unlike some folks, I don't demand it be an article of faith.
There is no proof of the animals he said were supposedly here were actually here at the time. Mormonism is delusional
This is wrong. Lehi and his family lived in North America. Particularly the Hopewell Culture. Joseph Smith Jr. himself indicated that the Book of Mormon lands were in Ohio, Illinois, and Missouri. I do not understand why people keep perpetuating the of Meso-America being the Book of Mormon Lands. It is not.
Exactly. All evidence points to North America
Actually even Book of Mormon scholars from BYU admit that the Book of Mormon lands are unknown. The reason for this is the lack of archaeological evidence and no place names from the Book of Mormon appearing anywhere in North America. There are two theories. One is the one you suggest that Book of Mormon lands are in North America. Another is the "limited geography model" which is the belief that the Book of Mormon occurred in a small region of central America. This is a preferred theory because it solves a few problematic issues in the Book of Mormon. It solves the problem of DNA, language and archaeology in one pet theory. Perhaps you should educate yourself. The LDS church has some essays on these issues on their website. Just type in Essays and find the one on the Book of Mormon. Don't search the whole site of gospel topics as you won't find it there. Instead look under Essays. Good Luck.
@@traceyb2664 I apologize for my delay in response. I generally do not follow up on my comments and just recently decided to start doing that. The essays you refer to are of an academic nature and postulate possibilities based on the evidence they show. As for the Central America theory, you stated that is solves the problem of DNA. Actually it doesn't. DNA samples from that area do not support Hebrew ancestry. On the flip side the Hopewell culture DNA is of Middle Eastern descent. As for "solving the problematic issues in the Book of Mormon" beyond DNA I am not sure what you mean. The lack of archaeology in North America in our time is easy to explain. When the Europeans settled here there were many artifact found that would support the events in the BoM but many were lost to time. Most were destroyed by farmers digging up fields to sow crops. In early newspaper articles it was common to find reports of mass burials that turned up in a field being plowed. But the farmers did not care about such things as they were more concerned about simple survival. Look up Wayne May and see the evidence he provides. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints does not officially support any theory on the locations found in the BoM. They have clearly stated many times that it is religious text that goes beyond simple history and that those who read the BoM should look at everything in there through the lens of spiritual knowledge. I am open to changing my mind academically but am more concerned with the spiritual aspects of the Book of Mormon.
"Give me your money or I'll put this snake in your Face...I mean faith.." If you had The Hat Of Faith you would see and believe! at 21:00 minutes we hear of "reading Beowulf, we wouldn't understand it"....More bad news for CyMorgs, The Book of Abraham was allegedly written in 1800 BC. But it dates to year Zero. Languages do change over time. At least we have Old English and today's English to compare. We can read Beowulf if we study language. If we Study Mormonism we walk away in disgust. Mormons:::: minute 40:00, we see wooden/stone swords. The BofM speaks of METAL Swords. Study Egyptian and see why Joe Got it wrong when he GOT the Plates. He Got it wrong when he Got the common Book of The Dead papyrus.
"All the evidence suggests..." doesn't sound very convincing.
You are right. But it is not meant to convince. The Spirit teaches to convert, information only supports and suggests.
Keep seeking truth. You will find it and be “convinced” by the Spirit.
For God so loved the world
That He gave His only Son
And whosoever believes will not perish, they shall have eternal life. John 3:16.. period!
Mr. ua t, you are right about Jesus! It really is wonderful that God loved us so much that he gave his only begotten son to atone for our sins. It really is true. And it is a way back to God.
I have a question, when you say 'period!', are you saying there is no more knowledge from Heaven? Or, are you saying we don't need to understand anything else about God?
The book of Mormon is a fictional story. It is based off the mound building Indians of Ohio. The only facts of the book are that the Indians build mounds in Ohio and he twisted it into a story that he turned into a cult religion.
Cool imagery. Utter lack of verifiable scientific data. Confirmation bias at it's finest. Name one NON-Mormon scholar or scientist who agrees. Never seen so much effort spent trying to pound a square peg into a round hole.
Samoa: Young Samoans Help Prepare New Hospital for Opening
A group of young Samoan Mormons recently spent a morning cleaning up flower beds, sidewalks and driveways surrounding Samoa's new national hospital prior to its grand opening ceremony.
Sounds like they’re literally “stretching” trying to fit the pieces together.
Of course. They're all LDS apologists of it. Doesn't mean there's not wisdom and insight in it, though.
@@Reticuli There's is wisdom and insight in the Lord of the Rings too but nobody is calling it history.
17:08 - Someone please tell me that they're not implying that a Caucasian man instructed the Mayans in how to construct their cities and architecture and economic foundation.
Hand me a bucket, I think I'm going to be sick.
NOTE: I previously made a mistake using the term "white man", so I edited it to the more accurate "Caucasian man". My apologies...now hand me that bucket! :)
Ok, I'll tell you...they're not implying that. : )
All American Indians say that a Bearded white man (who was taller than most Europeans) gave them many sciences. Even the Iroquois said that they fought white men. Moreover, the South American Indians say they wyped out a race of black men... The world is wide and vast, and history is a vast banquit of untold stories just waiting to be doug up.
Excellent point! Except archeological evidence to indicate that this specific white man existed has never been found. So, does that lack of evidence indicate that this is a valid hypothesis, or does it indicate another example of the collossal arrogance of some factions of the Caucasian race in trying to take credit for the achievements of non-Caucasian cultures?
And don't even get me started on these folks denying blacks the priesthood, at least until the Internal Revenue Service threatened to take away their tax-free religion status. That sure made the church leaders have a revelation, and damn quick, too!
As a white man, I'm in no way threatened by other culture's successes. All races have their tyrants and shepherds and their rise and their fall.
Speaking particularly to the issue of the Hopewell People. The X2 is a European female gene that has been found all over the mid-west. The Algonquin "Indians" (from the Asian variety) are a vast mixed breed of Asian Indians and White Europeans. In some tribes they are upwards of 25% of the overall population. Such as the Sac, Fox, and Ojibwa tribes. All sub tribes of the Algonquin.
Speaking particularly to the issues of race. As a young Marine, I married a beautiful young Marine with blond hair and blue eyes. What a looker, she was, and still is, although we're no longer together. An exceptional Aryan she is…
Now, at the time, how could I have known that the female line of her family had been goose stepping Nazis fighting the Russians some 50 years ago? Moreover, how could I know that Finland was Russian territory that they were just trying to take back. These attacks, started by Russia, caused Operation Barbarossa.
How could I have known that her father came from slave owners in the south, and that some of those plantations were still "operational" with the descendents of the same blacks still working the land… Owned by whites…
All I saw when I met her was a beautiful young blond girl, that I could've swore I knew from somewhere.
Soon, you will see as I have, that greed and oppression knows nothing of race. Oppression is a trait of leaders and men and women with money and power; always looking for just a bit more. Look at what's going on in Africa now, "religions" kidnapping 200+ girls in a bid for so called religious power. In reality, it's just a greedy black man vying for more power.
It’s a tail as old as time… But you will only see it as a human trait, if you ignore both sides of the race card.
Once again, they aren't implying that. Lehites were descended from peoples of the Middle East and Egypt. They would not be white by European standards.
This is a great video as long as you consider the genre as fiction...
100%correct statement.
Then prove it to me that it is using scholarly sources to do so. I’ll wait.
That's stupid. There is a lot of evidence. Cuneiform tablets. Copper smelting going back to 2000 BC
I would like to hear what these scholars have to say about Migratory animals in the Book of Mormon steel swords elephants and the fact that they have no form of reformed Egyptian but everything in the Book of Mormon has been discovered right here in North America?
This is actually pretty bad... no actual facts.. just a few people who think they know a lot about nothing.
If you read the book of Mormon, then you would like to read The Sealed Book of Mormon. It's true.
@otiliaayala8725 i read it. Its utter BS
Not a mormon but I enjoyed this, its interesting
As a non-Mormon, you may find it very odd and strange that millions of people of our faith would continue to affirm and believe the Book of Mormon as a true narrative -- notwithstanding there not being hardly any 'smoking guns' (scientifically) for our book. A lot of non-Mormons might wonder --Why do we believe? Are we that gullible and stupid -- or could there be some other explanation? I don't think that I'm gullible or stupid...and yet, notwithstanding there being 'concrete' scientific evidence....I still maintain that the Book of Mormon is true.....strange that I would...
I honestly do feel sorry for some of you guys. So much hate will poison your lives, your homes and your families. I've been a devout member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints all of my life but my companion is Pagan... and there is no strife in my home over religion. The Internet is a BIG place, if you're not happy RIGHT HERE... then go to the next page where you are! God bless guys! Maybe we'll agree on the next one! :-)
It's there right to free speech though, they can do what they want, it's not like they don't have to deal with cult members coming to their doorsteps trying to shove fiction down their throats. Mormons will shove their cult down others throats but cant handle other people speaking against their cult. If it makes you happy than fine.
Looks like Joe wanted to be the 2000th comment maker.....
Maybe next time😇
That aside, the film is very viewable.
dang, i didn't get it? ;)
Its funny to listen to these experts speak with absolute conviction about these events! Or is it scary?
It’s SCARY!!!’
Nor really, brother. It is testimony that comes from God by His Spirit. It come by sincere prayer. We commend that to you! Dankeschön! 🇺🇸💛🇩🇪
The authors seem to believe that the location of the Nephites and Laminites was in mesoamerica. That’s a old guess. Evidence shows that it was in the Great Lakes area. They were part of the Mound Builders. DNA of the Middle East has been found there. Joseph Smith on the Zion’s camp declared that he was seeing all kinds of items left there. He also sent missionaries to the Laminites in that area. Also the plates of gold were buried in New York. Research it yourself.
I am an ex mormon. All I can say is that Mormon Doctrine is incoherent with the bible, that Mormon Doctrine is incoherent with archeology, that Mormon Doctrine is philosophically impossible, and that Mormon Propaganda is highly convincing, but their sources are highly biased and false.
I'm sorry, but I did NOT leave the church because of
1. Anti-Mormon Literature
2. Abuse in the church
3. Personal problems
I left the church because
1. I think for myself
2. I read the bible
3. I understand simple logic and philosophy
I am now a christian because
1. It makes sense
2. It is coherent with science (Not theories made specifically to target religion)
3. It is MUCH more reliable.
Some common mormon arguments which are obviously wrong
1. The Bible was translated wrong (Telephone Effect)
We have many of the original manuscripts and letters so it's basically a direct translation from the original language
2. We are "possesed" or "influenced" by satan
Please read the bible. you are the ones being decieved lol
3. We are christians
Please understand what christianity is before you claim that you are christian
Main Philosophically incoherent doctrine of Mormonism
1. God had a father who had a father who had a father
2. We can be exalted
Main Archeologically incoherent doctrine of Mormonism
1. No archeological evidence at all
2. None. This documentary crap has the WORST sources I've EVER seen
Main Logically incoherent doctrine of Mormonism
1. Works and Faith not faith alone (which is ALSO a philosophically incoherent doctrine) compared to the teaching of the bible
2. That they believe in the bible. You cannot believe in the bible yet reject the bible in mormon doctrine. Incoherent
The only reason I am a christian btw is
1. Pascal's Wager
2. Archeological Evidence
3. Historical Evidence
4. Personal Experience
5. Apologetics. Strict scientific apologetics
If science can prove the impossibility of God, I would be aethiest
However, that is impossible.
+Kevin Tang and Joesph Smith's History holy crap he was a horrible person
+Kevin Tang
Mormon doctrine is also incoherent within itself. I can list here tons of verses inside the BOM which are contradicting other verses within BOM.
Then you add D&C to it and you get even greater mess and contradictions. Add proclamations of all prophets from Young to Monson and you cannot believe this doctrine at all.
One of the prophets (can't remember his name now) said that Book of Mormon contains the fullness of gospel needed for men's salvation. That mean, it contains everything you need to be saved.
If that is true, then you need not to go to the Temple and perform all those Masonic rituals in it as it is nowhere in BOM. You do not need to be eternally married and sealed in the Temple as it is not in BOM, etc.
So, the BOM either is a fullness and you do not need those rituals or it is not a fullness and you need D&C and PoGP to add to it and that prophet lied about BOM and then the BOM is not the most correct book on earth.
There is so many inconsistencies that if you start pointing them all out you get crazy.
+Kevin Tang
+1stFoxmovie NOt true, only if you believe the lies of the mob! Please explain to me General Wilsons comment.
"We Jackson County boys know how it is. We know that from the beginning the Mormons have not been the aggressors at all as it began in `33,. You Mormons were crowded to the last extreme, and compelled to self-defense; and this has been construed into treason, murder and plunder. We mob you without law; the authorities refuse to protect you according to law; you then are compelled to protect yourselves, and we act upon the prejudices of the public, who join our forces, and the whole is legalized, for your destruction and our gain. Is not this a shrewd and cunning policy on our part, gentlemen? "When we drove you from Jackson County, we burned two hundred of your houses; plundered your goods; destroyed your press and all, tarred and feathered old Bishop Partridge. We shot down some of your men, and, if any of you returned the fire, we imprisoned you, on your trial for murder. Shrewdly done, gentlemen; and I came near kicking the bucket myself; for, on one occasion, while we were tearing down houses, driving families, and destroying and plundering goods, some of you good folks put a ball through my son’s body, another through the arm of my clerk, and a third pierced my shirt collar and marked my neck. No blame, gentlemen; we deserved it."
"…the Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State if necessary…"Governor Lilburn Boggs of Missouri, in 1838. This "extermination order" resulted in the deaths of at least 60 Mormons as well as the rapes of dozens of Mormon women and girls. Countless others died from exposure as they were forced to evacuate the State.
Very funny and fraudulent documentary. You cant place the book or Mormon into a cultural context where it does not belong. Mayan and Aztec cultures had nothing to do with the book of mormon. Who are you trying to fool.
MrSivram28 , seriously?
@@valuecalc Yes.
The question is not whether people lived in this part of the world during this time, but whether or not there were Jews living in this part of the world.
and?
I have the same question... is it possible that Moroni can walk a thousand miles? or is it possible that YOU can walk a thousand miles?
if Israelites lived in that area at that time I would think that the other tribes would except them maybe because they had some cool stuff to trade or the tribes would war with them but there would be some kind of record stating from the other tribes that a foreign people was on there land
but time after time no evidence the ancient book of Mormon people did not exist
Loved it. Thanks much.
Do the gates of Heaven swing “IN or OUT?” What difference does it make where Nephi landed? Good grief people you either believe with faith that the BOM is true or you don’t. Get on with your lives.
@Hannahs world then go on with your life.
The differences are that each different edition of the bible is a translation from manuscripts or revisions referring to the manuscripts as we get better understanding of the manuscript languages and new manuscripts are found. We also know that the manuscripts are fragmented and incomplete, so we accept various guessworks.
We don't have the manuscript of the BoM, so each new edition is not a new translation, but literally a revision. Another thing is that the BoM is claimed to be perfect.
Isn't LDS a drug too?
Uncle Ñoño The Old Guy that’s LSD
there is something very interesting in the Book of Mormon concerning this worth thinking about. at the end of Matt.5 Jesus says at end of sermon on the mount in vrs.48"Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect." Now when Christ appears in B.o.M. he gives nearly the exact sermon but as the resurrected Savior he ends it in 3Ne.12:48"Therefore I would that ye should be perfect even as I, or your Father who is in heaven is perfect."
Copyied from the Bible to justify that Christ appeared in the americas.documentary made by LDS
The names found in the Book of Mormon are not Hebrew names. They are not found in any language of the world.
There is a possibility that it happened in NY and midwest and great lakes
Sure lol why not LA or any other coastal area. THERE IS NO PROOF FOR EITHER
This is just nonsense. I read FAIRS and FARMS stuff before and they are ridiculous a lot of the time.
I reckon Mormon apologetics will and have swayed more to disbelieve/ leave rather than stay.
***** FARMS!!!! That's the name of the organization I was trying to think of, Brother Peaceman! Where did I get BARNS from?
Hello, Elder Joseph. Although I am not anti-Mormon, nor Mormon, I appreciate your posts when you present great premises for disconcerting cases.
Im not a Mormon but i have a uncontrollable thirst to discover the truth about the origins and civilization of my ancient ancestors. So many false claims and unsupportable theories out there that I find myself unable tp tell my children the true origins of our advanced civilization. SO I am always searching for something that is supported by true archaeological records. I dont know why I never looked into the Mormon Faith before, maybe because in my younger less educated years I thought of Mormons were following a profit that just made up a religion. And had people follow what he wanted. I wrote The Book Of Mormon off. But then I started hearing of these metal plates found in Midwest Death Valley and even Utah with strange unreadable writings on them. This brought a curiosity to me and I started watching Mormon Videos on You Tube this is actually only the second one I watched and I want to apologize to the Faithful Mormon for disrespecting there Profit and Religion because of the knowledge i believe to be true, this Book Of Mormon seems that it could be very possibly true. i want to learn more. Thank you for sharing the information of this Great Educational Video with me I cant wait tell my daughter wakes ups to let her watch it since in her 7th grade class they are learning about Maya right now,
Easyen Cantlose - The Bible says "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened" (Matthew 7:7-8). As you probably know, this world is full of religions. The Bible warns numerously to be careful of false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly, they are ravenous wolves. I've noticed you've said that you've been doing some research of the LDS church. In Galatians 1:6-9 "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." Joseph Smith said that it was an angel of light that came down and gave him a new gospel. So if people, or an angel from from heaven is preaching a different gospel than the Bible, let them be accursed. I believe that Satan uses people to lead people astray from the actual Word of God. I believe Joseph Smith was inspired by Satan. My friend Easyen Cantlose, please be careful of what you watch and listen to. :) If you have any questions please do not hesitate to ask. I'd be pleased to help! Please don't take my word for it either. If you have a Bible, please go to the source. ;)
@@JESUSSAVESISA
no you are wrong... not a different gospel but to some people it might appear so because it is the restored gospel meaning that things which were eradicated by the Catholics and Roman Catholic diocese in the first printing of the holy Bible many things were removed. as you probably do know that they had one copy to the public in chains.. literally chain to a podium....
A St James translation of some kind of written down things and made their own translations when they created the first holy Bible of saint James. many precious parts were removed., basically they wanted to keep everyone in the dark and didn't want them to read some of the things that should have been printed in the King James translation. like a film producer they cut and dropped. the restored gospel has just put those things back which should never have been taken out.~~~~~
BUT ANOTHER SOURCE OF JESUS CHRIST CAME TO US THROUGH THE BOOK OF MORMON CONSIDERED A PURE AND UNBLEMISHED BOOK OF JESUS CHRIST AND HIS MINISTRY UPON THIS EARTH....
through a kid...age 17.... so that it would not have been to lessen the fact that who God chose to restore the corrected gospel in Jesus Christ would be innocent. he chose a young boy. to do do it through.
Love this video, but to know that the book of Mormon is true, the book testifies of the Christ is to read it yourself. It is undeniable.
What will reading it prove? I have read it and didn't get the confirmation.
Ive read. Its not true. Also been to lds church numerous times. Been told to have unquestioning faith to believe. Also blackmailed into tithing or you cant go to temple. How is telling people not to question a solid foundation. If questioning is dangerous the church is untrue.
Amen!
@@kmills1231 , did you question the bible? Did you pay to find out if the bible was true or just take it on as a face falubale Truth?
Lol freaking cult even more ridiculous than Jehovahs Witnesses
I appreciate this commentary. Thankyou also for your manner of presentation and your beautiful testimonies. I knew the Book of Mormon was a true record from the moment I began reading it. Sometimes you just know something is right, and for some one who began with doubts, ... "gut instinct" told me it was right as I began reading. Something I now call a profound spiritual experience, reckoning with people I somehow felt familiar with and their story. My mind felt enlightened and expanded with light and knowledge and a great love for the courageous followers of Christ. I continue to reread it and it brings a very powerful spirit and influence into my life amid lifes challenges. My gratitude to all the prophets and courageous people in this book, to Joseph Smith his work in translation and protecting the plates and most of all to Jesus Christ which this book andthe Holy Bible testify of. It is the testimonies of Christ and his dealings with his people that matter more to me than whether something is geographically accurate.
Show me someone who knows everything... and I will be sure to believe all their opinions. Mormons take a lot of things on faith because they are convinced of the truthfulness of such things as the 'Plan of Salvation' in the Book of Mormon, the teachings of present day Prophets and Apostles, and the effect of living the Gospel (as taught by the LDS Church) as being hugely beneficial to them. Many believe in God because they exercise faith in His Son Jesus's teachings... and this is the only way to know the truth... give God a go and see what He can do for your life.
I'm grateful this has been put together. I deeply appreciate the effort and knowledge that has been shared within this documentary. One of my issues that they just don't need music playing. The material stands on its own.
What material, they’d said NO facts here or explained anything
to sum up. We are going to guess that this is where everything happened even though we have no clue or evidence. Since we have done this guess we might as well continue with it and try to convince people that our guess is accurate with more assumptions. Let us be ignorant and assume everyone else is, that makes this story true. now that it is true then the book of Mormon is true. Where is some actual evidence please???
brilly bob There is evidence to support the THEORY. Yes, it is a theory. There are plenty of parallels between Book of Mormon claims and the ancient Mesoamerican world. Is there enough to prove that the Book of Mormon is a true ancient record? Not even close. But this is the only possible lead that LDS scholars have... so they are running with it. Only time will tell. These scholars speak as if everything they say is true, but in reality they are just speaking in the context of this theory and trying to show how everything could potentially fit.
Brian Ash I agree.
It is almost funny to me to see so many negative comments because you base your understanding on one or two things that you think, or believe had happened so that you can shoot down the Book of Mormon with your puny arm. Whatever indiscretions you chose to base your faith in simply will have zero affect on the minds and hearts and lives of the millions and millions of people that this amazing book has gone on to touch. It is true! The evidence is there, but even more then that, gods promise to us, and all people is that if you read this book with a "sincere" heart, having "faith in god" you may also know the truth of this amazing book. This promise is valid to not only me, but you too, and once you do come to know of its divinity, you will never be the same again. I am personally, so very grateful that I gained a testimony of this book and its teachings because it is the same teachings of that which was taught in the bible. Therefore, this book also proves that the bible is true.
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Hey bud, this comment is a win for Satan with you using the nick name “mormon”.
Painful to watch.
So I stopped
False doctrine
If you look at the book of Ether in the Book of Mormon, the Jaredites went to the South Americas way before Lehi and his family. It was about the time of the tower of Babel in the Bible.
Richard Holt all the pretty music and scenery won't make it true...if there were just a few issues I might buy it. The Mormon Church is full of secrets and cover-ups. You don't need any anti-Mormon literature to condemn it...church history does that!
Have you read the book cover to cover and prayed to the father in the name of Jesus Christ? Its not the church of JS. We're called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The BOM is another testiment of the Savior. He lives and love all of his children, He is your God Viki.
+Richard Holt bom is ANT-BIBLE POINT BLANK!!!
Mormonism is ANT-BIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BOM is a second testament of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. 6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?
7 Know ye not that there are more nations than one? Know ye not that I, the Lord your God, have created all men, and that I remember those who are upon the isles of the sea; and that I rule in the heavens above and in the earth beneath; and I bring forth my word unto the children of men, yea, even upon all the nations of the earth?
8 Wherefore murmur ye, because that ye shall receive more of my word? Know ye not that the testimony of two nations is a witness unto you that I am God, that I remember one nation like unto another? Wherefore, I speak the same words unto one nation like unto another. And when the two nations shall run together the testimony of the two nations shall run together also.
9 And I do this that I may prove unto many that I am the same yesterday, today, and forever; and that I speak forth my words according to mine own pleasure. And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever.
10 Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written.
(Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 29:6 - 10)
+Richard Holt HahahahahHa
8 I have charity for the Jew-I say Jew, because I mean them from whence I came.
9 I also have charity for the Gentiles. But behold, for none of these can I hope except they shall be reconciled unto Christ, and enter into the narrow gate, and walk in the strait path which leads to life, and continue in the path until the end of the day of probation.
10 And now, my beloved brethren, and also Jew, and all ye ends of the earth, hearken unto these words and believe in Christ; and if ye believe not in these words believe in Christ. And if ye shall believe in Christ ye will believe in these words, for they are the words of Christ, and he hath given them unto me; and they teach all men that they should do good.
(Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 33:8 - 10)
I appreciate the scientific information and I feel it does help some people gain a greater understanding of this book. However, I and most of my friends who are Latter-day Saints do not need science or scholars to know that this book is 100% true and inspired by God to come forth in the latter days. I have read the Book of Mormon many times and I know that it is true. The church is true and Jesus is the Christ.
You my friend are no Christian, Jesus is not #1 in your life. In fact you have no idea who Jesus Christ is, here is a little help. Jesus IS GOD not a god (John 1) Jesus is eternal not created (Exodus 3:14 & John 8:57-59). Your so called Jesus is a false Jesus and cannot save you. Seek the truth and become a true Christian as a true follower of the only true Jesus Christ OUR Lord and Saviour!
Interesting Documentary, It strengthen my Faith.