Watching this made me realise when we pay respects on remembrance day we forget about the many brave souls that served in the merchant navy and without them the war would not have been won
There are many that remember, just not many films made about it. My Grandfather was a merchant navy Engineer. Of his graduating class of 20, only 3 made it through the war. (Don't feed the troll)
A friend of mine who works at the Raddison at Steamtown father was in the merchant marine with the US Navy, America also shipped lend lease supplies to Britain and were frequent targets for U boats
The film is based on convoy PQ-17, a large convoy of 35 merchant ships, 6 auxiliaries, and and 22 close escort ships, running from Iceland to Murmansk and Archangel, Soviet Union. Three ships aborted because of mechanical issues. When losses mounted, the convoy was ordered scattered, and their escort was ordered back. It made the merchants easy targets. In all twenty-four of the merchant ships are lost, either by U-Boats, Luftwaffe aircraft, or both. One merchant, the SS Paulus Potter, a Dutch-flagged steamer, was abandoned when it appeared they would sink after bomb damage. The Potter didn't sink. It remained afloat and was found by the U-255. A boarding party came aboard, tried the engines and failed, so they took all of the useful materiel, including classified documents, and scuttled the ship. Not before they also captured the ship's colors. Only ten ships of PQ-17 made it to the Soviet Union, offloading 70,000 of the original 200,000 tons of war materiel.
A big part of the reason the escorts were withdrawn was that the German battleship Tirpitz had sailed. In fact, she was merely shifting her harbor, and would never come near the convoy. But First Sea Lord Dudley Pound was unwilling to take the risk, and ordered the convoy to scatter. Pound would die of a brain tumor in October 1943.
That is not what happened with PQ-17. The escorts were never “ordered back”, a German battleship the Tirpitz sallied out to meet the convoy. Instead of seeing the entire convoy picked off at once it was scattered into smaller units that would then make their way to Murmansk alone. This decision proved folly however as Tirpitz was never able to even reach the waters in which PQ-17 was sailing, and much of the convoy was lost to submarines. It was a disaster, but one which was immediately corrected upon (the return convoy had zero losses) and one which ultimately did not have a major effect on the war either way. In total less than 5% of Allied tonnage to the Soviet Union was disrupted by the Germans that year, and less than 1% the year after.
There is an account of the P17 convoy in David Kenyon's new book, Arctic Convoys, Bletchley Park and the war for the seas. It gives details of the intelligence that was known at the time.
What is sad is that Merchant Mariners themselves have forgotten their great professional ancestors most of them now join for the money. Not my views: a merchant captain once himself lamented this.
@@ShadowJester-jg2gs Look at his profile. He has to be fat on a daily diet of chips living warm and toasty in his room playing video game and watching cartoon dance videos. But he wants war.
My Uncle was Royal Navy. He completed Arctic convoys. His last convoy was to Malta. The whole convoy was lost. He was eventually picked up by an Italian ship, that was sunk too. He was a prisoner till the end of the war. He remembered men crying for their mothers in their last moments. He was a very intelligent man and it haunted him for the rest of his life. He drank heavily but was a fully functional family man. RIP
There were loads of convoys to Malta - can I ask which one was this? I undertood that most of them got through. Obviously the italian ship you mention was sunk by allied forces. this is a period of WW2 history that really intrests me.
My uncle was also on Arctic convoys on ack-ack cruiser HMS Coventry. This was eventually sunk in the Med, I assume on a Malta convoy. They were divebombed by Stukas after an experimental early warning tactic failed. They had to abandon ship, which was listing heavily. He told me that it was like jumping off the top of a ten-storey building, after which he went all the way to the bottom of the Med and back up again, the only bloke on the ship who couldn't swim.
@Arthur54321 I couldn't tell you which one. It was a subject you didn't bring but just listened. He died in the late 1980's. Wish I did know more. He told several people different parts and we shared with each other. He was a signaller. He used to show me the flag system.
@eddiegibbs1 my uncle was in hospital years later. The doctors said he was hiding newspapers and food. He thought he was back in the prison camp. But he recognised my aunty when she came to see him. After that he told my aunty he would never go hospital again. My aunty was a lovely lady and I still miss her. Even after 30 years.
As young adult, I would attend Robbie Burns night here in Calgary with my dad, who used to go with my Grandfather. He had a friend named Bob. I took my grandfathers place at Robbie Burns night and got to meet bob in his 90s and final years. Bob was a british man who moved to Canada shortly after the war. He told me some insane stories of his years delivering supplies and weapons to the soviets and that of his group of 5 frigates in the larger convoys, his ship he was a part of was the only one that wasn't sunk by the end of the war. He told me of the prisoners in the gulags they delivered too, trying to scramble aboard the ship that would be shot or detained. Nothing they could do as the Soviets where allies. Hours upon hours of chipping away the ice building up on the ship. He couldn't stand any mention of war in the news. RIP Bob. Thank you for your service.
My grandfather was a Norwegian merchant sailor. Left Norway at 16 yrs old in 1938, didn't return back to Norway until 1946. Sunk once. Moved to Australia were we all still live. RIP
I had two great-uncles (my grandmother’s brothers) who were Norwegian merchantmen during WW II. One died when his ship, the M/S Aneroid, was torpedoed in Oct. 1942 off South America. The other died in Iceland as a result of a ship-board accident. RIP, Olav and Andor.
I'm looking forward to seeing this. My Dad was at Dunkirk as part of the rescue mission, worked as a stoker during the Arctic Convoys to Mermansk and Norther Russia, was part of the hunt for the Tirpitz and served during the D-Day Landings. He never mentioned any of it when we were growing up, as he still bore the mental scars and would celebrate his fallen comrades every New Years Eve on his own. Love you Dad, my hero. ❤
God bless your Dad My Father was tankman and pass in 1942-45 from Don river to Vienna 5 order 6 medals He fight on british tanks He dead in 2012 92 years old
You should try watch malaysian film of “Leftenan Adnan (2000)”. A film about heroism of British Malayan Army Liutenant Adnan Saidi who died during japanese invasion of malaya.
@@sandersson2813 Except it's a Norwegian retelling of someone else's event. This film is "inspired by" Convoy PQ 17, which was predominantly US ships with a healthy number of UK ships and a few from Panama and the USSR. That's right, no Norwegian ships and yet here we have this film. American films at least would keep the nationalities right and not insert themselves into the hero roles.
@@johnpaulvanson5170 You should probably do some research. There was 47 US Ships, 36 British, 11 Russian and 8 Panamanian. There was also a Norwegian ship called Norfjell and another called Idefjord crewed by Norwegians. I accept your apology.
My granda was a merchant sailor, from Glasgow, and he sailed with Scottish guys who had kept the convoys running to the USSR. They saw tons of their friends die and received zero recognition from the British government. But you better believe the Soviets, who desperately needed those supplies, gave those brave sailors medals. Their deeds went unrecognised for decades in Britain. Good to see this film.
My great-uncle Jim Crawford was a merchant sailor, from Glasgow as well. He did a lot of runs to and from Baltimore, MD. He never spoke about his time in the merchant navy, and would avoid questions about it. My great-aunt told me he had been burned in a boiler fire and spent a lot of time in hospital after the ship was towed into Southampton. Wonder why they never went to Plymouth?
This is long overdue. Really looking forward to seeing this. HMS Ulysses by Alistair Mclean drove home just how horrific it was to serve on the arctic convoys with MacLean's ship The Royalist itself a part of the infamous arctic convoy PQ17. The decision by Pound to withdraw the escorts was in short nothing but pure bloody murder. Glad to see someone took the time to bring this to film. HMS Ulysses never made it to the big screen unfortunately. Hopefully this film will serve as a memorial to those who fought through the most dire of conditions and help us to remember those who paid the ultimate price for victory.
Honestly...not that interested. Based on the trailer, almost none of what happened to PQ-17 is covered. Focusing on one ship is fine for a historical drama, but while Greyhound was able to capture a snapshot of escort duties as a whole, this ignores so much of PQ-17's story that it's unfair to the rest of the sailors involved.
My father was responsible for the design and building of a Memorial Wall, in a park, in a small town on the East Coast of Australia. He had four bronze plaques cast to be affixed to the face of the wall. The Royal Australian Navy (RAN), The Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) The Australian Imperial Forces (AIF) and the Merchant Navy (MN). His stepfather was in the Royal Navy during World War II and was involved in the Atlantic Convoys. He has never forgotten the stories of the Merchant Mariners. It's one of the few Memorials that I have seen that honours all four arms of service during the war.
My dad was in the RAN in the Pacific and the MN after the war. He survived a Japanese bomber that dropped its bombs on them, straffed and was hit and took out the conning tower and most of the guns. He took 2nd degree burns over a third of his body. Most died. He remembered rolling and rolling to put out the fires on his body as he burned. He used to come out in rashes over those parts of his body when he got too stressed for the rest of his life. Was always a hard man but never had hard feelings towards the Japanese despite spending a year after the war going island to island to command small groups of Japanese soldiers to surrender. Often they had more ammunition than the ship he was on had as they didn't get resupplied for a long time. He believed the Japanese showed great honour and valour in the way they fought and disliked people being racist towards them as was common in the post-war era. He would have loved this movie. RIP dad.
My Grandad was a merchant sailor during this time, working in the engine rooms of cargo and troop ships. I can't imagine what he and his fellow crew went through. Unsung heroes.
There was a US merchant mariner who sailed to Archangel in Russia to deliver supplies. His ship was torpedoed as they left port but he was rescued and returned to Archangel. The next two ships he tried to sail out on met the same fate. The fourth ship managed to get through and he returned to England. Then he boarded another convoy and went back to Russia. People were built differently back then.
It was different back then too when we considered Russia our friend and fought against evil. Russian people are still our friends, but it's our governments and NATO alliance that constantly provoke russia and make russia into an enemy.
Same people, you have all the same qualities they had. They had the same doubts, they looked back at the soldiers of the Civil War and said, look at what those people marched into in the name of saving the Union and abolishing slavery, how can I ever match such bravery!? They did and still do. Even now people in Ukraine fight the same as the person you describe to save the sovereignty of Ukraine. When the time comes I have no doubt we can all rise to the occasion.
@@AcceptTheNull no they fight for nato expansion, Zelensky, they’re western puppets, and they allow neo nazis to commit genocide against ethnic russians and russian speakers in the donbass
@@AcceptTheNullUnder Zelensky, the moratorium on banning the sale of land was broken. The whole of Ukraine, literally all in pieces, belongs to Western agricultural corporations. In principle, no one is hiding this anymore. The West is simply fighting off its sales market, which Russia is trying to regain. There is the usual bourgeois competition. There is no struggle for freedom.
@@AcceptTheNullsorry to burst your bubble bub, as I tend to agree with the sentiment displayed in the beginning of your statement, but you must not get out much- walk the streets of just about any American town or city and you'll rapidly notice nobody's "rising to the occasion" unless the "occasion" is another trip to McDonald's. There's still SOME that are built the same, but they're few and far between today, and the rest simply deserve what's coming for them as a result of their sloth, greed and glutton.
Growing up in the 1980’s in West Wales, I fondly remember an elderly gentlemen in the congregation of our church in Llanelli who served in the British Merchant Navy during WW2. I don’t know how many times he crossed The North Atlantic but my father told me he’d survived two ships being torpedoed and sunk. Nice man, quiet, reserved, and always had a smile for you. I was old enough to visualize what that might have looked like but not mature enough to understand how that experience must have impacted the rest of his life.
HMS Ulysses is an awesome novel, read it many times. But overdone in my personal opinion. May I also suggest reading. The Cruel Sea is a 1951 novel by Nicholas Monsarrat.
В составе PQ-16 был корабль-лесовоз "Старый большевик". Он пережил 47 атак немецких самолетов, горел, но сумел дойти до конечной точки - города Мурманска.
My grandmother's uncle was in Polish Merchant Navy. His ship was just departing Halifax with convoy to England, when he was evacuated by a pilot boat because of sudden attack of appendicitis. The convoy, few days later, was hit by a heavy storm and his ship was last seen near Irish coast listed heavily, fighting enermous waves - never to be heard or seen again... Uncle was later given his own command and survived the war, working later on as captain for various companies all over the world, until his death in 1970s. The story of his missing ship and its whole crew is still a mystery.
My Great Uncle was torpedoed in the Arctic whilst in the UK Merchant Navy in 1943. A much forgotten theatre that should get way more attention. The fact they didn't get recognition with a campaign medal until 2012 is insane sadly he had passed by then.
Glad to a movie about these merchant seaman. Greyhound was really good too but it dealt with the convoys as a whole and the ship/crew by themselves. This one looks really good too!
This looks much better than that Hollywood fantasy garbage. U-boat captains never spoke to allied destroyer crews over their own PA systems. Didn't happen.
@@joooks2254 It's an action movie portraying real historical events. Didn't need to make shit up and add stupid nonsensical inaccuracies to make it a good one. In my and many other peoples' opinions it makes it worse.
@@eisaatana96 Tom Hanks talked to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History and talked about the making of Greyhound. It took a lot of historical compromises to get the film made at all.
My grandfather served on a patrol ship during World War II, North Sea. Guarded by British convoys. Once, after one of his successful returns to Murmansk, he exchanged watches with an English officer. But when he saw the Englishman wearing a special sweater, he asked for it instead of a watch... One day they were attacked en masse by Junkers and began to shoot at low level flight. Miraculously they survived. As a souvenir, he kept this sweater with a burn mark from a German tracer above his left shoulder. Above the heart. For the rest of his life he thanked God. He prayed and made the sign of the cross in front of everyone without fear. When atheists and communists pestered him with questions about why he prayed all the time, he silently took out this English sweater with a mark from a large-caliber tracer and showed it. When I saw an anti-aircraft gunner in this trailer, I immediately remembered my grandfather. I'll definitely watch the movie. + Eternal memory to all those who fell in that war. +
This is one for me. During WWII my parents took in a Norwegian captain who's ship had been sunken by German U-Boats and was rescued on the Atlantic convoys. He stayed with them for 3 months before being allocated another ship. They kept in touch until several years after the war.
@@stevepalmer3838 I watched Greyhound and went on a binge. Ulysses followed by The Cruel Sea. Both scary in the extremes. The Cruel Sea was mostly man vs nature. Ulysses was man vs winter and the Germans. Terrifying
Actually the book is titled "HMS ULYSSES" and written by Alistair McLean. (There's also the book "Ulysses" by James Joyce, different thing. Hell to read.) Yeah, Probably the best story & narration on the subject; second perhaps the witness accounts in the BBC documentary The Battle Of The Atlantic. Reads like eating a cupcake!
My grand-uncle was a combat surgeon for 2 years or so on HMS Douglas which formed part of PQ 17 before it ran into the attack - the ship was switched to QP-13 which was on the way back from the Arctic. I was fortunate to be able to talk with him about some of his experiences at war. He wouldn't tell me everything but he did tell me about Ju-88s cutting gunners down, about the terror of seeing ships explode at night and sink, the guilt of not being able to stop to rescue many for of being sunk and depriving the convoys of their escort. And he did say this - "I hope you or others after you never ever have to do what we had to do."
These convoys were a lifeline to Britain when the rest of Europe had fallen to the Nazis. Apparently this is a Norweigan production. I'm glad someone understood that these sailors' story needed to be told.
@@krashd How many copies of cookie cutter Hollywood garbage movies with cringe Norwegian dialogue do we need? Basmo is apparently the only actor we can reuse a million times, zzzzzz.
My Dad joined the Norwegian convoys at 16, he left London as a boy. I never got to ask him about this time in his life. My Uncle did say he was a very brave man. R.I.P Stanley Vincent.
It was a good film and highlighted the contribution of Norway, particularly here, yet the story as was told was of HMS Ayrshire, an anti submarine trawler. Its commander Lieutenant Leo Gradwell RNVR, disobeyed orders and collected 4 other ships and made the rescission to head North to hide in the ice. Asked that the crews paint there ships with white paint and in a classic move the crews of the merchant ships lifted Sherman tanks out of the hold, pout them on the deck and loaded them, just in case the Germans showed up. Real life is often more inspiring. All the ships in the little convoy got to Russia
Here's a fun fact, when British merchant ships were sunk the survivors pay was automatically stopped, there were times when they were adrift in rafts for days or weeks but their pay was stopped the moment their ship went down.
@@ashlyknapp1798 Here's an account from merchant seaman Sydney Graham: British law when a ship was sunk the obligations of the shipowner to pay the crew's wages went with it. Those fortunate to complete their Atlantic passages received their pay in full. Those whose ships went down, including the relatives of those killed, would, unless they were fortunate to work for one of the more philanthropic lines, only receive wages due up to the day of the sinking. The resentment caused by this is well expressed by Sidney Graham a London Eastender who served on several Atlantic and Arctic convoys and once spent 10 days in a lifeboat : "...as soon as you got torpedoed on them ships your money was stopped right away. That's the truth. Everybody kicked up a bit 'cos you couldn't walk about with nothing in your pockets, could you, let's be fair - and all the rum shops were open! Only thing they give us was our clothes....we couldn't walk about naked, could we? Well, we felt devastated because you didn't think they'd ever treat you like that. Because they treated you like you were an underrated citizen, although you were doing your bit for your country, know what I mean? It's hard to think what you been through and what you were doing...and they treat you like that. What did we get? Didn't get no life, did we. I even had to fight for me pension, me state pension.
@@ashlyknapp1798 They were deemed to have left their employment when they abandoned ship! The RN got Survivors' Leave, new kit etc etc. The Merchantmen got the equivalent of a P45.
I grew up on my paternal grandfathers war stories. He spent his war escorting convoys to Murmansk aboard HMCS Huron and always spoke very highly of the Merchant Marine sailors. I'm trying to not get my hopes up but I'm excited to watch this.
We só often forget that just because Norway was conquered doesn’t mean she was out of the fight; the Norwegian navy & merchant marine fought hard throughout the war, as did forces-in-exile from Poland, Belgium, Holland, Czechoslovakia, Ethiopia, & France
After the war, veterans of the merchant marine didn't receive any recognition for the horrors they've survived. Where I live in a suburb of Oslo, many of them who didn't manage to adapt with untreated trauma and ptsd, became homeless alcoholics and set up camp in the forest. Hundreds of them lived in makeshift cabins and shacks and spent days drinking and fighting. It was a rowdy place. Eventually the police had enough and went in and burned down the camp.
I'll be watching this - Family members served and survived the whole war doing this convoy back n forth. Im told one of my uncles was on the bofer 40m and couldnt stop blinking when he came home! I'll be watching and thinking.
Looks good ,certainly looks worth a watch.my wife's uncle Stan was on the arctic convoys, he was a boxer and stood 5ft he was a right tough little bugger right up to the day he passed away..
Bits of Greyhound were a bit silly: the captain chatting to the flyingboat on R/T for instance. They communicated by flashing short messages in Morse in real life. 'Chatting' on the radio is like putting up a banner saying 'sink me'. It's what sank the Bismarck...the captain sent a long message to German HQ in France over the radio, the British intercepted it, fixed the location, and sent in the Swordfish. Direct hit on the rudder, and that was it. Game over. The pride of Germany crippled by a single shot from an open-cockpit biplane. It's not what you've got: it's how you use it!
My dad was on HMS Nigeria, on the Russian run as he called it. Then on pedestal to Malta when they were torpedoed on 12 August but Italian submarine Axiom. He had to shovel his mates into sacks. Then went to south carolina where the ship was fixed. He went on to sweep mines for DDay when his flotilla were attacked by RAF Typhoons and many were sunk. Then to Japan but by that time the bomb dropped and probably saved my life.
Living in Rochester (uk) and being a navy nerd I visit the historic dockyard Chatham and see HMS Cavalier that took part in many artic convoys. Looking forward to see this as others said this part of the war effort doesn’t rx the same coverage it deserves that others get. A great many brave sailors and ships were lost on the many soviet convoys that took place in horrendous weather.
Can you even imagine working on a freighter, seeing ships go down in convoys , then after you make harbour, sign up and do it again knowing quite well it could be your ship next time, Brave men indeed.
@@mahieuwim It's a Hudson, PV-1 or 2's didn't have glass noses, of which you can see the reflection of in the final shot of the trailer. The Ventura's also did not enter service until late 1942, and if this film is based on PQ17, that took place between June & July of 1942. The PV-2 Harpoon did not enter British service until after the war.
@@msdolaeguctswhavWell…maybe. I too think it was a Hudson. However, the Ventura Mk I in British service was ordered in 1940, which were delivered from mid-1942. The Ventura Mk I most certainly had a glazed nose.
My Grandad was in the engine room serving in ww2 on the Artic conveys, merchant navy. He died many years ago. Churchill said it was the most dangerous job in the British armed forces. He told some pretty scary stories about having to sail on when sailors had abandoned ship 😢
My uncle was a Navy gunner on a liberty ship. One of his stories was about a UBoat at the end of the war surfacing next to their ship and demanding all of their cigarettes and chocolate and the Uboat would let them go. They did and the UBoat submerged. Another of his stories was about losing half of the ships in the convoy due to Uboats.
My partner's father served on the navy escort ships during the russian conveys to Archangel. His ship (HMS Punjabi) was sunk in the fog by a larger naval vessel (HMS King George V) because they couldn't see it and the very primitive radar passed straight over the top. He was one of a handful who survived.
@@chrishartley4553 Aircraft that hit the U Boat was a Lockheed Hudson. The Albacore wouldn't have been providing air cover to a convoy that far north, so there's a whoopsie in the movie already.
Is that from a scene showing an earlier better protected convoy just underway from Scotland to give the general audience a better understanding of what happened to the unprotected PQ19? Okay, that might be clutching at straws a little bit, but I will suspend judgement until the movie is actually released. The fact less well known aircraft are well rendered in CG suggests someone was doing their homework. Or was just a plane nut. But its all conjecture at the moment.
@@chrishartley4553 I'm going with plane nerd, but only a novice. The Albacore is a carrier plane, and there were no carriers supporting PQ-17. Maybe flying from Scotland for the early part of the crossing, but that's a big maybe. Its also carrying a torpedo. Utterly useless against uboats.
I know what the Albacore is which why I did mention Scotland. Also that it might be a scene relating to another earlier convoy that was departing from Scotland, as PQ17 itself sailed from iceland. So definitely no Albacores. I do agree it is a big maybe but then I don't want to prejudge a film based on a few clips. Which is the fashion at the moment. Especially one that is trying to tell a less well known part of the war. You're right about the torps as well. But then, as I mentioned, until the film is released it is all just conjecture.
I am glad the convoys and merchant men are getting their due respect. A film version of 'Rendezvous South Atlantic' by Douglas Reeman would be an outstanding film.
I know it's called a "World War" but its still pretty hard for me to fully grasp the scale it had. Good to see stories like this being told. Never forget their sacrifice.
My great uncle Bill volunteered for the artillery in 1939, as he hated the sea and being from Southampton was likely to be pressed into the navy. Sadly he omitted to account for the military sense of humour, and was posted onto the Arctic convoys as a DEMS gunner. He was sunk four times, twice in port and twice at sea. The last time left him fucked right up after half and hour in the Arctic with the line from a Carley float wrapped around his wrist, and he never regained the use of his hand. He considered himself an extremely lucky, if rather unwilling, sailor indeed!
My great-uncle sailed as a naval gunner on those convoys. They didn't stop to pick up survivors, because there weren't any - people died in minutes in those seas.
I'm reading HMS ULYSSES by Alistair MacLean, an amazing book. I feel cold just reading the book let alone what those men lived and died at sea. God bless them all.
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Watching this made me realise when we pay respects on remembrance day we forget about the many brave souls that served in the merchant navy and without them the war would not have been won
There are many that remember, just not many films made about it. My Grandfather was a merchant navy Engineer. Of his graduating class of 20, only 3 made it through the war.
(Don't feed the troll)
A friend of mine who works at the Raddison at Steamtown father was in the merchant marine with the US Navy, America also shipped lend lease supplies to Britain and were frequent targets for U boats
@@TopDrek Cry about it.
@@pvt.potato1943 Well, one day we'll do something about it.
@TopDrek Yeah sure, the south will rise again!
The film is based on convoy PQ-17, a large convoy of 35 merchant ships, 6 auxiliaries, and and 22 close escort ships, running from Iceland to Murmansk and Archangel, Soviet Union. Three ships aborted because of mechanical issues. When losses mounted, the convoy was ordered scattered, and their escort was ordered back. It made the merchants easy targets. In all twenty-four of the merchant ships are lost, either by U-Boats, Luftwaffe aircraft, or both.
One merchant, the SS Paulus Potter, a Dutch-flagged steamer, was abandoned when it appeared they would sink after bomb damage. The Potter didn't sink. It remained afloat and was found by the U-255. A boarding party came aboard, tried the engines and failed, so they took all of the useful materiel, including classified documents, and scuttled the ship. Not before they also captured the ship's colors.
Only ten ships of PQ-17 made it to the Soviet Union, offloading 70,000 of the original 200,000 tons of war materiel.
German aircraft and u boats absolutely ravaged that convoy
A big part of the reason the escorts were withdrawn was that the German battleship Tirpitz had sailed. In fact, she was merely shifting her harbor, and would never come near the convoy. But First Sea Lord Dudley Pound was unwilling to take the risk, and ordered the convoy to scatter. Pound would die of a brain tumor in October 1943.
That is not what happened with PQ-17. The escorts were never “ordered back”, a German battleship the Tirpitz sallied out to meet the convoy. Instead of seeing the entire convoy picked off at once it was scattered into smaller units that would then make their way to Murmansk alone. This decision proved folly however as Tirpitz was never able to even reach the waters in which PQ-17 was sailing, and much of the convoy was lost to submarines. It was a disaster, but one which was immediately corrected upon (the return convoy had zero losses) and one which ultimately did not have a major effect on the war either way. In total less than 5% of Allied tonnage to the Soviet Union was disrupted by the Germans that year, and less than 1% the year after.
There is an account of the P17 convoy in David Kenyon's new book, Arctic Convoys, Bletchley Park and the war for the seas. It gives details of the intelligence that was known at the time.
but the Red Army won the war all by itself?
The world has forgotten the merchant mariners who has served the world for thousand of years.
And died in untold numbers doing it. May they all rest in peace.
What is sad is that Merchant Mariners themselves have forgotten their great professional ancestors most of them now join for the money. Not my views: a merchant captain once himself lamented this.
@@user-oq2rk7ep8f decades of peace will make people SOFT.
@@TricksterPoi Funny because I see your profile is full of anien and video game bullshit. Which wars did you fight in touch guy?
@@ShadowJester-jg2gs Look at his profile. He has to be fat on a daily diet of chips living warm and toasty in his room playing video game and watching cartoon dance videos. But he wants war.
I love movies like this. My grandfather was in the merchant navy during World War 1. Bringing supplies from Newfoundland to England.
was your father a newfoundlander?
Deep respect to him!
I wish I could thank him
what the heck is merchant navy?
My Uncle was Royal Navy. He completed Arctic convoys. His last convoy was to Malta. The whole convoy was lost. He was eventually picked up by an Italian ship, that was sunk too. He was a prisoner till the end of the war. He remembered men crying for their mothers in their last moments. He was a very intelligent man and it haunted him for the rest of his life. He drank heavily but was a fully functional family man. RIP
thank you
There were loads of convoys to Malta - can I ask which one was this? I undertood that most of them got through. Obviously the italian ship you mention was sunk by allied forces. this is a period of WW2 history that really intrests me.
My uncle was also on Arctic convoys on ack-ack cruiser HMS Coventry. This was eventually sunk in the Med, I assume on a Malta convoy. They were divebombed by Stukas after an experimental early warning tactic failed. They had to abandon ship, which was listing heavily. He told me that it was like jumping off the top of a ten-storey building, after which he went all the way to the bottom of the Med and back up again, the only bloke on the ship who couldn't swim.
@Arthur54321 I couldn't tell you which one. It was a subject you didn't bring but just listened. He died in the late 1980's. Wish I did know more. He told several people different parts and we shared with each other. He was a signaller. He used to show me the flag system.
@eddiegibbs1 my uncle was in hospital years later. The doctors said he was hiding newspapers and food. He thought he was back in the prison camp. But he recognised my aunty when she came to see him. After that he told my aunty he would never go hospital again. My aunty was a lovely lady and I still miss her. Even after 30 years.
As young adult, I would attend Robbie Burns night here in Calgary with my dad, who used to go with my Grandfather. He had a friend named Bob. I took my grandfathers place at Robbie Burns night and got to meet bob in his 90s and final years. Bob was a british man who moved to Canada shortly after the war.
He told me some insane stories of his years delivering supplies and weapons to the soviets and that of his group of 5 frigates in the larger convoys, his ship he was a part of was the only one that wasn't sunk by the end of the war. He told me of the prisoners in the gulags they delivered too, trying to scramble aboard the ship that would be shot or detained. Nothing they could do as the Soviets where allies. Hours upon hours of chipping away the ice building up on the ship. He couldn't stand any mention of war in the news.
RIP Bob. Thank you for your service.
My grandfather was a Norwegian merchant sailor. Left Norway at 16 yrs old in 1938, didn't return back to Norway until 1946. Sunk once. Moved to Australia were we all still live. RIP
My grandfather was as well. Also moved to Australia. His sink was sunk and he was sent to Japan.
I had two great-uncles (my grandmother’s brothers) who were Norwegian merchantmen during WW II. One died when his ship, the M/S Aneroid, was torpedoed in Oct. 1942 off South America. The other died in Iceland as a result of a ship-board accident. RIP, Olav and Andor.
I'm looking forward to seeing this.
My Dad was at Dunkirk as part of the rescue mission, worked as a stoker during the Arctic Convoys to Mermansk and Norther Russia, was part of the hunt for the Tirpitz and served during the D-Day Landings.
He never mentioned any of it when we were growing up, as he still bore the mental scars and would celebrate his fallen comrades every New Years Eve on his own.
Love you Dad, my hero. ❤
Your Father was and still is a hero. Thank you for sharing this story.
God bless your Dad My Father was tankman and pass in 1942-45 from Don river to Vienna 5 order 6 medals He fight on british tanks He dead in 2012 92 years old
Respect Sir, my Father also did these runs as a Stoker and was ar D Day, and the Invasions of Africa and Italy.
@@lotuselise4432 God bless, God bless...
As an American and history buff, it’s exciting to see a WWII movie telling other nations’ stories about the war. I’m looking forward to watching this.
At least it wasn't an American retelling of someone else's event.
We can be grateful for that.
You should try watch malaysian film of “Leftenan Adnan (2000)”. A film about heroism of British Malayan Army Liutenant Adnan Saidi who died during japanese invasion of malaya.
The irony is you lot only decided to help out in the last stages of the wars .
@@sandersson2813 Except it's a Norwegian retelling of someone else's event. This film is "inspired by" Convoy PQ 17, which was predominantly US ships with a healthy number of UK ships and a few from Panama and the USSR. That's right, no Norwegian ships and yet here we have this film. American films at least would keep the nationalities right and not insert themselves into the hero roles.
@@johnpaulvanson5170 You should probably do some research.
There was 47 US Ships, 36 British, 11 Russian and 8 Panamanian. There was also a Norwegian ship called Norfjell and another called Idefjord crewed by Norwegians. I accept your apology.
My granda was a merchant sailor, from Glasgow, and he sailed with Scottish guys who had kept the convoys running to the USSR. They saw tons of their friends die and received zero recognition from the British government. But you better believe the Soviets, who desperately needed those supplies, gave those brave sailors medals. Their deeds went unrecognised for decades in Britain. Good to see this film.
the Soviets who engineered 3.2 to 5.5 million excess deaths (or upwards of 30 million by their own records)?
nice going, UK.
And if their ship went down their pay was stopped, even if they spent days in a lifeboat and weeks trying to get home.
My great-uncle Jim Crawford was a merchant sailor, from Glasgow as well. He did a lot of runs to and from Baltimore, MD. He never spoke about his time in the merchant navy, and would avoid questions about it. My great-aunt told me he had been burned in a boiler fire and spent a lot of time in hospital after the ship was towed into Southampton. Wonder why they never went to Plymouth?
Are you implying they recieved no recognition because they were Scottish?
God bless your Grandpa We Russians remember Heroes of Arctic Convoys
This is long overdue. Really looking forward to seeing this. HMS Ulysses by Alistair Mclean drove home just how horrific it was to serve on the arctic convoys with MacLean's ship The Royalist itself a part of the infamous arctic convoy PQ17. The decision by Pound to withdraw the escorts was in short nothing but pure bloody murder. Glad to see someone took the time to bring this to film. HMS Ulysses never made it to the big screen unfortunately. Hopefully this film will serve as a memorial to those who fought through the most dire of conditions and help us to remember those who paid the ultimate price for victory.
Honestly...not that interested. Based on the trailer, almost none of what happened to PQ-17 is covered. Focusing on one ship is fine for a historical drama, but while Greyhound was able to capture a snapshot of escort duties as a whole, this ignores so much of PQ-17's story that it's unfair to the rest of the sailors involved.
My father was responsible for the design and building of a Memorial Wall, in a park, in a small town on the East Coast of Australia. He had four bronze plaques cast to be affixed to the face of the wall. The Royal Australian Navy (RAN), The Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) The Australian Imperial Forces (AIF) and the Merchant Navy (MN). His stepfather was in the Royal Navy during World War II and was involved in the Atlantic Convoys. He has never forgotten the stories of the Merchant Mariners. It's one of the few Memorials that I have seen that honours all four arms of service during the war.
My dad was in the RAN in the Pacific and the MN after the war. He survived a Japanese bomber that dropped its bombs on them, straffed and was hit and took out the conning tower and most of the guns. He took 2nd degree burns over a third of his body. Most died. He remembered rolling and rolling to put out the fires on his body as he burned. He used to come out in rashes over those parts of his body when he got too stressed for the rest of his life. Was always a hard man but never had hard feelings towards the Japanese despite spending a year after the war going island to island to command small groups of Japanese soldiers to surrender. Often they had more ammunition than the ship he was on had as they didn't get resupplied for a long time. He believed the Japanese showed great honour and valour in the way they fought and disliked people being racist towards them as was common in the post-war era. He would have loved this movie. RIP dad.
*Australian Imperial Forces
@@ashpitcher3 Yup. My memory ain't as good now that I'm over 60.
@@coolhand1964 I can relate 😂
My Grandad was a merchant sailor during this time, working in the engine rooms of cargo and troop ships. I can't imagine what he and his fellow crew went through. Unsung heroes.
Higher casualty rate than the RN!
Many of the sailors were 'Empire subjects'...Hong Kong Chinese, Africans etc.
Man, this looks cool. I didn't realize I needed a good movie about merchant marines until now.
My Dad was in the merchant marine. They were not recognized for their service. Thank you for remembering them.
Same, WW2 Battle of the Atlantic and the infamous 'Murmansk Run". They didn't get Combat Veteran status until the 1980s.
Their pay stopped at the moment the ship sank.
There was a US merchant mariner who sailed to Archangel in Russia to deliver supplies. His ship was torpedoed as they left port but he was rescued and returned to Archangel. The next two ships he tried to sail out on met the same fate. The fourth ship managed to get through and he returned to England. Then he boarded another convoy and went back to Russia.
People were built differently back then.
It was different back then too when we considered Russia our friend and fought against evil. Russian people are still our friends, but it's our governments and NATO alliance that constantly provoke russia and make russia into an enemy.
Same people, you have all the same qualities they had. They had the same doubts, they looked back at the soldiers of the Civil War and said, look at what those people marched into in the name of saving the Union and abolishing slavery, how can I ever match such bravery!? They did and still do. Even now people in Ukraine fight the same as the person you describe to save the sovereignty of Ukraine. When the time comes I have no doubt we can all rise to the occasion.
@@AcceptTheNull no they fight for nato expansion, Zelensky, they’re western puppets, and they allow neo nazis to commit genocide against ethnic russians and russian speakers in the donbass
@@AcceptTheNullUnder Zelensky, the moratorium on banning the sale of land was broken. The whole of Ukraine, literally all in pieces, belongs to Western agricultural corporations. In principle, no one is hiding this anymore. The West is simply fighting off its sales market, which Russia is trying to regain. There is the usual bourgeois competition. There is no struggle for freedom.
@@AcceptTheNullsorry to burst your bubble bub, as I tend to agree with the sentiment displayed in the beginning of your statement, but you must not get out much- walk the streets of just about any American town or city and you'll rapidly notice nobody's "rising to the occasion" unless the "occasion" is another trip to McDonald's. There's still SOME that are built the same, but they're few and far between today, and the rest simply deserve what's coming for them as a result of their sloth, greed and glutton.
Growing up in the 1980’s in West Wales, I fondly remember an elderly gentlemen in the congregation of our church in Llanelli who served in the British Merchant Navy during WW2. I don’t know how many times he crossed The North Atlantic but my father told me he’d survived two ships being torpedoed and sunk. Nice man, quiet, reserved, and always had a smile for you. I was old enough to visualize what that might have looked like but not mature enough to understand how that experience must have impacted the rest of his life.
I’ve been reading HMS Ulysses recently and was hoping someone would make a movie covering the arctic convoys. I hope this scratches that itch
fantastic book - a step above all his others
HMS Ulysses is an awesome novel, read it many times. But overdone in my personal opinion.
May I also suggest reading.
The Cruel Sea is a 1951 novel by Nicholas Monsarrat.
This entire theatre of the war should be better remembered. I look forward to seeing this.
В составе PQ-16 был корабль-лесовоз "Старый большевик". Он пережил 47 атак немецких самолетов, горел, но сумел дойти до конечной точки - города Мурманска.
The Cruel Sea. A great book and film.
My thoughts exactly.
The Cruel Sea is a 1951 novel by Nicholas Monsarrat.
HMS Compass Rose is one of my heroes.
BLESS YOU for this incredible film and for finally honoring the Merchant Navies, Home and Allied!!
My grandmother's uncle was in Polish Merchant Navy. His ship was just departing Halifax with convoy to England, when he was evacuated by a pilot boat because of sudden attack of appendicitis. The convoy, few days later, was hit by a heavy storm and his ship was last seen near Irish coast listed heavily, fighting enermous waves - never to be heard or seen again... Uncle was later given his own command and survived the war, working later on as captain for various companies all over the world, until his death in 1970s. The story of his missing ship and its whole crew is still a mystery.
My Great Uncle was torpedoed in the Arctic whilst in the UK Merchant Navy in 1943. A much forgotten theatre that should get way more attention. The fact they didn't get recognition with a campaign medal until 2012 is insane sadly he had passed by then.
Glad to a movie about these merchant seaman. Greyhound was really good too but it dealt with the convoys as a whole and the ship/crew by themselves.
This one looks really good too!
Looks great, I loved Greyhound and this gives me similar vibes
This looks much better than that Hollywood fantasy garbage. U-boat captains never spoke to allied destroyer crews over their own PA systems. Didn't happen.
@@eisaatana96 Who cares? It was an action movie.
@@joooks2254 It's an action movie portraying real historical events. Didn't need to make shit up and add stupid nonsensical inaccuracies to make it a good one. In my and many other peoples' opinions it makes it worse.
@@eisaatana96 Tom Hanks talked to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History and talked about the making of Greyhound. It took a lot of historical compromises to get the film made at all.
@@eisaatana96 wah wah
My grandfather served on a patrol ship during World War II, North Sea. Guarded by British convoys. Once, after one of his successful returns to Murmansk, he exchanged watches with an English officer. But when he saw the Englishman wearing a special sweater, he asked for it instead of a watch...
One day they were attacked en masse by Junkers and began to shoot at low level flight. Miraculously they survived. As a souvenir, he kept this sweater with a burn mark from a German tracer above his left shoulder. Above the heart.
For the rest of his life he thanked God. He prayed and made the sign of the cross in front of everyone without fear. When atheists and communists pestered him with questions about why he prayed all the time, he silently took out this English sweater with a mark from a large-caliber tracer and showed it.
When I saw an anti-aircraft gunner in this trailer, I immediately remembered my grandfather. I'll definitely watch the movie.
+ Eternal memory to all those who fell in that war. +
This is one for me. During WWII my parents took in a Norwegian captain who's ship had been sunken by German U-Boats and was rescued on the Atlantic convoys. He stayed with them for 3 months before being allocated another ship. They kept in touch until several years after the war.
My grandfather was a Merchant Marine during WWII. You can bet I'll be seeing this.
same
Shades of the novel Ulysses about Arctic convoys. Scary stuff
I remember reading that book when I was young. It was terrifying and bleak. Not the usual story that you read back in the 60s.
@@stevepalmer3838 I watched Greyhound and went on a binge. Ulysses followed by The Cruel Sea. Both scary in the extremes. The Cruel Sea was mostly man vs nature. Ulysses was man vs winter and the Germans. Terrifying
Actually the book is titled "HMS ULYSSES" and written by Alistair McLean. (There's also the book "Ulysses" by James Joyce, different thing. Hell to read.)
Yeah, Probably the best story & narration on the subject; second perhaps the witness accounts in the BBC documentary The Battle Of The Atlantic.
Reads like eating a cupcake!
Ever since Greyhound was released I couldn’t wait for more movies like it
To me Greyhound had one major flaw: no storm inside of the boat.
Winston Churchill..."The Artic convoys were the worst postings of the war".
God bless those brave souls who helped to keep our freedom. ❤
But they had Tom Hanks, right?
@@JZsBFF double chuckle! We had Clark Gable! We had Van Johnson! And of course we had Marlena Dietrich! Marlena did her best to torpedo Adolf Hitler!
@@ashlyknapp1798 [Sigh] Those were the days of great propaganda war movies. Erroll Flynn, the cutest para commando ever.
My grand-uncle was a combat surgeon for 2 years or so on HMS Douglas which formed part of PQ 17 before it ran into the attack - the ship was switched to QP-13 which was on the way back from the Arctic. I was fortunate to be able to talk with him about some of his experiences at war. He wouldn't tell me everything but he did tell me about Ju-88s cutting gunners down, about the terror of seeing ships explode at night and sink, the guilt of not being able to stop to rescue many for of being sunk and depriving the convoys of their escort. And he did say this - "I hope you or others after you never ever have to do what we had to do."
The forgotten heroes of every war, the logistics personnel.
More films like this please. Looks great.
These convoys were a lifeline to Britain when the rest of Europe had fallen to the Nazis. Apparently this is a Norweigan production. I'm glad someone understood that these sailors' story needed to be told.
The Atlantic convoys went to Britain, the Arctic convoys went to the Soviets.
wtf r u talking about. This was Great Britian supplying Russia.
Russians are always grateful and remember convoy PQ17. Rest in peace brave sailors.
Looks like it's inspired by the story of PQ-17 based on this snippet.
Norwegians couldn't make anyting original even if they tried. Coming from a Norwegian.
@@fred6907 You don't sound like a Norwegian, too whiney.
@@krashd How many copies of cookie cutter Hollywood garbage movies with cringe Norwegian dialogue do we need? Basmo is apparently the only actor we can reuse a million times, zzzzzz.
My Dad joined the Norwegian convoys at 16, he left London as a boy. I never got to ask him about this time in his life. My Uncle did say he was a very brave man. R.I.P Stanley Vincent.
It was a good film and highlighted the contribution of Norway, particularly here, yet the story as was told was of HMS Ayrshire, an anti submarine trawler. Its commander Lieutenant Leo Gradwell RNVR, disobeyed orders and collected 4 other ships and made the rescission to head North to hide in the ice. Asked that the crews paint there ships with white paint and in a classic move the crews of the merchant ships lifted Sherman tanks out of the hold, pout them on the deck and loaded them, just in case the Germans showed up. Real life is often more inspiring. All the ships in the little convoy got to Russia
Here's a fun fact, when British merchant ships were sunk the survivors pay was automatically stopped, there were times when they were adrift in rafts for days or weeks but their pay was stopped the moment their ship went down.
I would like to know all the thinking around that
@@ashlyknapp1798 Here's an account from merchant seaman Sydney Graham:
British law when a ship was sunk the obligations of the shipowner to pay the crew's wages went with it. Those fortunate to complete their Atlantic passages received their pay in full. Those whose ships went down, including the relatives of those killed, would, unless they were fortunate to work for one of the more philanthropic lines, only receive wages due up to the day of the sinking. The resentment caused by this is well expressed by Sidney Graham a London Eastender who served on several Atlantic and Arctic convoys and once spent 10 days in a lifeboat : "...as soon as you got torpedoed on them ships your money was stopped right away. That's the truth. Everybody kicked up a bit 'cos you couldn't walk about with nothing in your pockets, could you, let's be fair - and all the rum shops were open! Only thing they give us was our clothes....we couldn't walk about naked, could we? Well, we felt devastated because you didn't think they'd ever treat you like that. Because they treated you like you were an underrated citizen, although you were doing your bit for your country, know what I mean? It's hard to think what you been through and what you were doing...and they treat you like that. What did we get? Didn't get no life, did we. I even had to fight for me pension, me state pension.
@@ashlyknapp1798 They were deemed to have left their employment when they abandoned ship!
The RN got Survivors' Leave, new kit etc etc.
The Merchantmen got the equivalent of a P45.
I grew up on my paternal grandfathers war stories. He spent his war escorting convoys to Murmansk aboard HMCS Huron and always spoke very highly of the Merchant Marine sailors. I'm trying to not get my hopes up but I'm excited to watch this.
1:45 that shot reminds me of when the Mosquitoes attacked Tin Tin in Red Sea Shark
So true!!
captain haddock was on his glory
My Great Grandfather was an American Merchant Marine. Bravery.
"We fought the wrong enemy." - General George S Patton
So much respect is needed for those brave souls that fought for our freedom, this looks like a great film and thank you for telling this story.
It’s great to see the Norwegians point of view
My Dad's brother was in the Merchant Navy and took part in that convoy. His ship was sunk, but he survived.
WOw that looks like a great movie. Cant wait to see it!
We só often forget that just because Norway was conquered doesn’t mean she was out of the fight; the Norwegian navy & merchant marine fought hard throughout the war, as did forces-in-exile from Poland, Belgium, Holland, Czechoslovakia, Ethiopia, & France
After the war, veterans of the merchant marine didn't receive any recognition for the horrors they've survived. Where I live in a suburb of Oslo, many of them who didn't manage to adapt with untreated trauma and ptsd, became homeless alcoholics and set up camp in the forest. Hundreds of them lived in makeshift cabins and shacks and spent days drinking and fighting. It was a rowdy place. Eventually the police had enough and went in and burned down the camp.
I'll be watching this - Family members served and survived the whole war doing this convoy back n forth. Im told one of my uncles was on the bofer 40m and couldnt stop blinking when he came home! I'll be watching and thinking.
Me before the trailer: Not another WW2 one....
Me after trailer: This is the way
Not enough WW2 films. So much to tell.
I'm as burned out on WW2 as I am Superhero movies.
I can't imagine a more miserable place to fight a war. Much respect to the forgotten Merchant Marines
ГЕРОИ ! Вечная память !!!!
My Grandfather was sunk twice in the Med diring the War. Lucky to make it. Much respect to these brave men.
I watched this with no subtitles, still great
Looks good ,certainly looks worth a watch.my wife's uncle Stan was on the arctic convoys, he was a boxer and stood 5ft he was a right tough little bugger right up to the day he passed away..
Really looking forward to seeing this movie, it is about the unsung heroes that made everything possibe
Will be hard pressed to equal "Greyhound" as a WWII convoy movie.
I very much doubt that, if it is historically accurate then it will far exceed that Hollywood action movie.
Bits of Greyhound were a bit silly: the captain chatting to the flyingboat on R/T for instance.
They communicated by flashing short messages in Morse in real life.
'Chatting' on the radio is like putting up a banner saying 'sink me'.
It's what sank the Bismarck...the captain sent a long message to German HQ in France over the radio, the British intercepted it, fixed the location, and sent in the Swordfish.
Direct hit on the rudder, and that was it. Game over. The pride of Germany crippled by a single shot from an open-cockpit biplane.
It's not what you've got: it's how you use it!
I hope this comes to cinemas in my country. Or at least on Netflix
В торренте скачаешь.
Never get out of the boat. Absolutely goddamn right, unless you were going all the way.
I really liked the accurate depiction of the allied and German planes
My dad was on HMS Nigeria, on the Russian run as he called it. Then on pedestal to Malta when they were torpedoed on 12 August but Italian submarine Axiom. He had to shovel his mates into sacks. Then went to south carolina where the ship was fixed. He went on to sweep mines for DDay when his flotilla were attacked by RAF Typhoons and many were sunk. Then to Japan but by that time the bomb dropped and probably saved my life.
Modern day Hollywood is incapable of making a movie like this.
One of my uncles was in the Merchant Navy on the Atlantic convoys, torpedoed 3 times. Such bravery in these men❤❤
Living in Rochester (uk) and being a navy nerd I visit the historic dockyard Chatham and see HMS Cavalier that took part in many artic convoys. Looking forward to see this as others said this part of the war effort doesn’t rx the same coverage it deserves that others get. A great many brave sailors and ships were lost on the many soviet convoys that took place in horrendous weather.
Can you even imagine working on a freighter, seeing ships go down in convoys , then after you make harbour, sign up and do it again knowing quite well it could be your ship next time, Brave men indeed.
love seeing whatever variant of the B-34 that is underrated aircraft that get no attention
Lockheed Hudson perhaps?
PV-1 Ventura or -2 Harpoon maritime patrol aircraft. The -2 version was more geared towards anti-submarine duties.
@@mahieuwim It's a Hudson, PV-1 or 2's didn't have glass noses, of which you can see the reflection of in the final shot of the trailer. The Ventura's also did not enter service until late 1942, and if this film is based on PQ17, that took place between June & July of 1942. The PV-2 Harpoon did not enter British service until after the war.
@@swisstraeng Correct.
@@msdolaeguctswhavWell…maybe. I too think it was a Hudson. However, the Ventura Mk I in British service was ordered in 1940, which were delivered from mid-1942. The Ventura Mk I most certainly had a glazed nose.
This is about pq-17…. Was completely decimated in the war left unprotected. Great story! Can’t wait to see this!
Looks awesome. Comment to let me know what it’s streaming on later.
My Grandad was in the engine room serving in ww2 on the Artic conveys, merchant navy. He died many years ago. Churchill said it was the most dangerous job in the British armed forces. He told some pretty scary stories about having to sail on when sailors had abandoned ship 😢
Reminds me of Greyhound, I love this setting for WW2 movies, its been very overlooked by media for so long
"If you want to save more lives than your own you will stay the course!" Chills
My uncle was a Navy gunner on a liberty ship. One of his stories was about a UBoat at the end of the war surfacing next to their ship and demanding all of their cigarettes and chocolate and the Uboat would let them go. They did and the UBoat submerged. Another of his stories was about losing half of the ships in the convoy due to Uboats.
My partner's father served on the navy escort ships during the russian conveys to Archangel. His ship (HMS Punjabi) was sunk in the fog by a larger naval vessel (HMS King George V) because they couldn't see it and the very primitive radar passed straight over the top. He was one of a handful who survived.
God bless your partners father We Russians remember heroes of Arctic Convoys
The JU-88 making its big screen debut.
And the Fairey Albacore.
@@chrishartley4553 Aircraft that hit the U Boat was a Lockheed Hudson.
The Albacore wouldn't have been providing air cover to a convoy that far north, so there's a whoopsie in the movie already.
Is that from a scene showing an earlier better protected convoy just underway from Scotland to give the general audience a better understanding of what happened to the unprotected PQ19?
Okay, that might be clutching at straws a little bit, but I will suspend judgement until the movie is actually released.
The fact less well known aircraft are well rendered in CG suggests someone was doing their homework. Or was just a plane nut.
But its all conjecture at the moment.
@@chrishartley4553 I'm going with plane nerd, but only a novice.
The Albacore is a carrier plane, and there were no carriers supporting PQ-17. Maybe flying from Scotland for the early part of the crossing, but that's a big maybe.
Its also carrying a torpedo. Utterly useless against uboats.
I know what the Albacore is which why I did mention Scotland. Also that it might be a scene relating to another earlier convoy that was departing from Scotland, as PQ17 itself sailed from iceland. So definitely no Albacores.
I do agree it is a big maybe but then I don't want to prejudge a film based on a few clips. Which is the fashion at the moment. Especially one that is trying to tell a less well known part of the war.
You're right about the torps as well. But then, as I mentioned, until the film is released it is all just conjecture.
Looks amazing! If it opens near me, I'm going to go see it!
There's an Arctic Convoy museum and memorial in the west coast of Scotland.
En que plataforma pudo ver la pelicula
I am glad the convoys and merchant men are getting their due respect. A film version of 'Rendezvous South Atlantic' by Douglas Reeman would be an outstanding film.
This looks incredible. Looking forward to seeing this!
Incredible!
Looks good can't wait to watch.
I know it's called a "World War" but its still pretty hard for me to fully grasp the scale it had. Good to see stories like this being told.
Never forget their sacrifice.
The trailer looks so good!
Wow! what an intensely satisfying movie!
Is that the artic convoy mission that started at poolewe scotland ?
Where we can see that movie
I want to see this but sadly it isn't showing anywhere near me! :(
My great uncle Bill volunteered for the artillery in 1939, as he hated the sea and being from Southampton was likely to be pressed into the navy. Sadly he omitted to account for the military sense of humour, and was posted onto the Arctic convoys as a DEMS gunner. He was sunk four times, twice in port and twice at sea. The last time left him fucked right up after half and hour in the Arctic with the line from a Carley float wrapped around his wrist, and he never regained the use of his hand. He considered himself an extremely lucky, if rather unwilling, sailor indeed!
My great-uncle sailed as a naval gunner on those convoys. They didn't stop to pick up survivors, because there weren't any - people died in minutes in those seas.
It looks very good...
I'm looking forward to buying the Blueray...
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I'm reading HMS ULYSSES by Alistair MacLean, an amazing book. I feel cold just reading the book let alone what those men lived and died at sea. God bless them all.
This looks fantastic.
FINALLY decent CGI! Looking forward to this.
I was in the merchant navy in the artic,it got so cold it froze the flame on my lighter 😂
The merchant marines got no medals. Unsung hero's.
They were sailors, Maurice.
Actually the British government handed out distinctive medals to sailors who served in the MN; some 9,000 got one.
The Soviets also gave medals to those who did the Arctic convoys.
@@krashd I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing. I'll certainly look it up.
Finally, movies are back with and about heros, not acolytes…
It's Iike somebody based a movie on the original box art of the Airfix JU-88 model kit. And I'm all over it! 👍
WOW!!! Good, Funny!