I've looked up the writing staff of both season 1 and season 2. And based on the imdb information, two of the writers of my favourite episodes in Arcane season 1 ( epi 01,03,09 ) aren't participating anymore ( Ash Brannon and Conor Sheehy )
Episode 1 and 3 are personal favourites of mine. 1 made me fall in love with that world while 3 had some of the most powerful and emotional moments. If these two wrote an entire third of the previous season, then their absence is sorely missed.
The animation of Arcane is still beautiful. However, I'm tired of the music videos. The characters have changed from S1 and then change often in each episode of S2. I feel they condensed to many seasons into S2 because the writers (ect) want to overcome onto other projects. It's sad.
I echo most of what the panel had to say about Arcane S2, but I would like to point out the one scene that made me lose my shit and essentially give up on this entire season: Vi tailing Singed outside of Victor's settlement (I almost wrote 'Hippie rehabilitation center') only to be caught and jumped over by Caitlin. Not only is it a lame reunion for the show's power couple of sorts, but isn't Caitlin supposed to be the head of Pilltover, if in name only?? What would she be doing working as a mere sentinel on the outskirts of her plan?? This season feels so rushed as to make you think they didn't bother rewriting their first draft... It's such a shame that the writing would be so amateurish when the animation is still so gorgeous :(
And Vi and Caitlin make up within minutes of talking, even though they should have VERY deep beef now, given both their actions (Vi working with Jinx, Caitlin gassing and "oppressing" (can't think of a better word) Zaun). I got massive shellshock when the final scene of Act 2 had Jinx and Caitlin just standing around together. So, Caitlin is just fine with that? I was wondering whether I missed a scene or something.
Nietzsche didn’t get run over by a horse and die. The anekdote is just that he saw a horse being hurt by its owner and he ran to the horse, and hugged the horse crying. After that he lived for years, but syfilis destroyed his mind and he ended up in a wheelchair until some years later he died. Whether the horse anekdote even actually happened or not and is an urban legend is still debated🍻
How many 200,000,000$ or greater entertainment projects have returned exactly 0.00$ in the past few months? Since when do these companies care about production costs? Surely not at any point in the past seven years. I think the simple explanation is the correct one; writing is much harder than making art merely look good. The writing became crap because practically all entertainment writers simply broke in 2016 and broke again in 2020, and this season was written since then. The art still looks good because season 1 provided a highly detailed style guide, but plotting must stand on its own, and is simply no longer able to. Not that my opinion matters, but I felt the plot of season 1 was already on a rapid downhill slide by the last couple episodes, so season 2 just seems like a linear progression. The emphasis on style over substance is up to the excellent animation/visual design guys doing their damnedest to carry the entire show on their shoulders. Valiant effort, and it'll certainly fool some people for a while, but it's ultimately futile.
The very ending of episode 6 when I didn’t feel a thing absolutely confirmed that this writing quality has nothing to do with the quality of the first season. I know that that was supposed to be an emotional scene, but I felt absolutely nothing. The animation here is also praised but I think that’s a huge stepback too. The action scenes are way too fast, flashy, and there are just too many over stylized music video switches. I am very sad about this show.
1:03:57 it is worse with Game of Thrones than you think. Not only was it a decade. Not only did people change. Not only did people get married and have children. They named their children Khaleesi.
I’d be surprised if wicked doesn’t destroy at the box office. You underestimate the amount of ppl who love that play. It’s all my wife talks about going to see and we’ve already seen the live version.
I wish people would quit being conned by Ridley Scott. Whoopi’s he directed Alien. Well, Dan O Bannon wrote Alien AND Total Recall. Where was his “people gave him truck loads of movie to produce/direct/write” total shitte?
Unfortunately Scott was at the tail end of “director’s films” era of the 1970’s where it seemed like the director and director alone was the sole auteur, when in fact they all had help at many stages of production.
My prediction is that Wicked will make a good amount of money. Grace Randolph is more representative that anyone wants to admit. The millenial female demographic is usually shockingly undiscerning with their media. Assuming of course that the movie isn't somehow actually good.
I like the little platoon already, but why should I care about anyone else, when you all have the same take on everything? Have the balls to stick out mates.
Syphilis bacteria may just be congenital to the human population as a whole, in the same way herpetic viruses are. All populations may have had it in some form.
Will you give "Rogue Elements" an honest review or chicken out? "Well... um... I guess we'll have to wait until we see the full series." Captain America 4 trailer drops: "What an absolute joke! This is the worst movie ever made! Here's my 16 min rant!" Made my day!
Rogue Elements is just some random movie. Captain America 4 is the latest in a franchise that's been getting continously worse over time. The more we learn about it, the worse it seems. I theoretically agree with the idea that you shouldn't criticise something before you've seen it, but these two are not comparable.
Second season has all the ambition and goodish plot but not enough talent to make it work I mean we need the kid to have 3 gems in the final so Vi just drops her gauntlets at the entrance
I dunno, Platoon is probably the best-equipped guy on the platform to interpret it correctly because he has a classical education (instead of being a reddit scifi filmbro or a gender studies weeaboo) but I'd be really pissed if he came out of it with generic movie essay takes about transhumanism and existentialism and all that junk. He probably understands the more high-brow references that go into it, but you can't take that film at face value, there's a bunch of homework involved, you gotta be familiar with Oshii's bag of tricks and know the manga (and its many spinoffs) well enough to spot everything that was changed or removed from the original story. He already spent like 2 years working on that Dune review, he can't just whip reviews out of his ass. I mean, he can when it's something like Madame Web, but this isn't something like Madame Web.
Yal honestly gave more fair justice to ArcaneS2 so far. I know the show is flawed but its not as bad as others r making sound. Like the latest EFAP breakdown on Act1
Efap was misery porn. Mauler gets lost in his own arguments and rags just never gave a shit. Arcane still has cool things in it, but the meat is not there anymore
It's worse. The only people that like it are either those who likes anything, or the lore geeks that thinks having easter eggs all over the show makes a good story, ie Necrit.
@mstrikerwildrift What ddnt you like that's making it "worse"? Besides the rushed scenes & forgotten plots & forced character inserts. I have couple more but I'll hold on those jzt to see if ur catching on onto the flaws. Overall, my points are minor, or rather not a BIG deal like the rest of others r making out to be.
@oneofyus3799 Their trash talk is fine w shit shows/movies but it's spreading unto good/decent shows & tarnishing them for interested viewers. We all know/knew that this show is gna end w the S2. So in a way we have to assume there is gna be changes, lack of a better word, but overall watchable for the most part as well as sensible
EFAP becomes such a stupid echo chamber sometimes. They really need some people with differing opinions to bounce off of. Jay used to be that until his mental illnesses took over
Good lord, Jedi Brooks never shuts up does he? Give your panelists time to get out a thought before you go on a 5 min rant. Hint: if you make a claim that discussion is important, then you should let other people chime in to discuss instead of talking for everyone.
Shared universe is not the problem. How many different stories did Tolkien include within the greater world of Middle-Earth? It's bad writers, not a problem with the concept.
Arcane season 1 is on an excellent level of quality in comparison to most shows we get these days. Season 2 is on a level of quality which makes it easily confused with most of them. That's the difference. I watched season one about a year after all the hype had died down, as the hype annoyed me at the time and I mainly wanted everyone to shut up. I was pleasantly surprised that it largely lived up to the glowing reviews. Not without its own issues, of course. I thought the shoe-horned brothel scene was forced and made little to no sense, mainly just being there for fan-service which is, y'know, whatever. I didn't think any of the race-swapping was particularly necessary but, again, whatever. I don't have a problem with strong female characters- particularly since Jinx and Vi, both powerhouses in their own way, are nevertheless masterclasses in how to make a character compelling and badass, yet flawed. On the other hand, they were definitely trying to push a bit of "social progress" with the sheer amount of powerful women on the city council, the strong general lady from noxus, having Cait's mom be the crack markswoman while her dad is more on the domestic side- none of it is a big deal, but what they're doing ain't exactly subtle either. Still, despite a few instances of plot armor and some contrivances, I'd be comfortable calling the first season a masterpiece. So many elements came together between the art direction, the music choices, the dialogue, and the writing. Unfortunately season 2 seems to think that it can get by on just the pretty visuals and killer soundtrack, and who really cares about the story and dialogue. Which, uh. Weird choice, that.
When Season 1 came out, it wasn't a case of, "Well, at least it's better than 'X'". I think the vast majority of people who loved it still stand by their initial feelings. Why do you dislike it, and why do you think it's overrated?
@@seancallaway5204 Not comparing it to anything, at the release time i really enjoyed the 3 first episodes. But Act2 didn't do much for me, i enjoyed some part of it ( like the Ekko vs Jinx fight ) but couldn't really connect emotionally. Act 3 bringed my interest back with a good final, i'm not saying it's not good but it's just not connecting with me, most of the character i didn't really like in act 2 except Ekko and Viktor, but Jinx, Vi and Jayce were really feeling one note to me. There are a lot of part that I would've liked to be a little developped so that i can understand how they evolved and changed so much from act 1. Like seeing how Vi lived her life in jail would actually make me believe the character progression more for example. Anyway i'm not just hating Arcane season 1, i just genuinly couldn't connect with the story past arc 1.
@@Phoenix0F8 Yeah i'd agree there's way too many strong female for my taste lol in the opposite you don't get a lot of strong male character except Jayce who ends up being a parody of one and is easily the most dislikeable character in the show. It gets even worst in season 2 where i feel that even Viktor is kind pathetic and it's basically women doing everything. Maybe i'm overly picky but i don't enjoy watching an action show with political stakes in it that includes 90% of women appearing most of the time on screen.
The animal fighting in Gladiator 2 made it much more interesting. It would be boring and repetitive to keep fighting other gladiators. Good call in the end
I've looked up the writing staff of both season 1 and season 2. And based on the imdb information, two of the writers of my favourite episodes in Arcane season 1 ( epi 01,03,09 ) aren't participating anymore ( Ash Brannon and Conor Sheehy )
Might explain some things...
@jonbaxter2254 Let's hope they come back for arc 3 and the writing actually gets interesting
Episode 1 and 3 are personal favourites of mine. 1 made me fall in love with that world while 3 had some of the most powerful and emotional moments. If these two wrote an entire third of the previous season, then their absence is sorely missed.
The animation of Arcane is still beautiful. However, I'm tired of the music videos. The characters have changed from S1 and then change often in each episode of S2. I feel they condensed to many seasons into S2 because the writers (ect) want to overcome onto other projects. It's sad.
I echo most of what the panel had to say about Arcane S2, but I would like to point out the one scene that made me lose my shit and essentially give up on this entire season: Vi tailing Singed outside of Victor's settlement (I almost wrote 'Hippie rehabilitation center') only to be caught and jumped over by Caitlin. Not only is it a lame reunion for the show's power couple of sorts, but isn't Caitlin supposed to be the head of Pilltover, if in name only?? What would she be doing working as a mere sentinel on the outskirts of her plan?? This season feels so rushed as to make you think they didn't bother rewriting their first draft... It's such a shame that the writing would be so amateurish when the animation is still so gorgeous :(
And Vi and Caitlin make up within minutes of talking, even though they should have VERY deep beef now, given both their actions (Vi working with Jinx, Caitlin gassing and "oppressing" (can't think of a better word) Zaun). I got massive shellshock when the final scene of Act 2 had Jinx and Caitlin just standing around together. So, Caitlin is just fine with that? I was wondering whether I missed a scene or something.
@@benboothroyd1523 I mean, the trailer for act 3 shows them resuming their argument. They had to put it aside to deal with the situation at hand
Nietzsche didn’t get run over by a horse and die. The anekdote is just that he saw a horse being hurt by its owner and he ran to the horse, and hugged the horse crying. After that he lived for years, but syfilis destroyed his mind and he ended up in a wheelchair until some years later he died. Whether the horse anekdote even actually happened or not and is an urban legend is still debated🍻
Arcane was supposed to be more than two seasons. Due to high cost producers likely decided to try to fit many seasons into one.
How many 200,000,000$ or greater entertainment projects have returned exactly 0.00$ in the past few months? Since when do these companies care about production costs? Surely not at any point in the past seven years.
I think the simple explanation is the correct one; writing is much harder than making art merely look good. The writing became crap because practically all entertainment writers simply broke in 2016 and broke again in 2020, and this season was written since then. The art still looks good because season 1 provided a highly detailed style guide, but plotting must stand on its own, and is simply no longer able to. Not that my opinion matters, but I felt the plot of season 1 was already on a rapid downhill slide by the last couple episodes, so season 2 just seems like a linear progression.
The emphasis on style over substance is up to the excellent animation/visual design guys doing their damnedest to carry the entire show on their shoulders. Valiant effort, and it'll certainly fool some people for a while, but it's ultimately futile.
The very ending of episode 6 when I didn’t feel a thing absolutely confirmed that this writing quality has nothing to do with the quality of the first season.
I know that that was supposed to be an emotional scene, but I felt absolutely nothing.
The animation here is also praised but I think that’s a huge stepback too. The action scenes are way too fast, flashy, and there are just too many over stylized music video switches.
I am very sad about this show.
same problem with everything art vs product, Arcane S1 VS S2, Gladiator vs Gladiator II
Jedi Brooks has seriously come into his own. I didn't like him much when I first saw him on EFAP, but now I really look forward to hearing his pov
Looking forward to the 24 hour stream for episode 50! Come onnnn do ittt!
31:16 @Jedibrooks- I love your scene comparison videos. So you’re going make one comparing the fights S1 Versus S2..Right?
1:03:57 it is worse with Game of Thrones than you think.
Not only was it a decade. Not only did people change. Not only did people get married and have children. They named their children Khaleesi.
I’d be surprised if wicked doesn’t destroy at the box office. You underestimate the amount of ppl who love that play. It’s all my wife talks about going to see and we’ve already seen the live version.
I wish people would quit being conned by Ridley Scott. Whoopi’s he directed Alien. Well, Dan O Bannon wrote Alien AND Total Recall. Where was his “people gave him truck loads of movie to produce/direct/write” total shitte?
Unfortunately Scott was at the tail end of “director’s films” era of the 1970’s where it seemed like the director and director alone was the sole auteur, when in fact they all had help at many stages of production.
He had the nerve to release Alien Covenant. F- that movie.
Director has usually been more important to producers than the writer. Also, most of the blame for a bad movie goes to Director over writer.
Scott also directed Blade Runner.
So you guys are all saying his best work was at least 20 years ago?
Again, he had the nerve to release Alien Convenant. F- him and French hating arse.
Gladiator 2, the Re-Gladiating
My prediction is that Wicked will make a good amount of money. Grace Randolph is more representative that anyone wants to admit. The millenial female demographic is usually shockingly undiscerning with their media.
Assuming of course that the movie isn't somehow actually good.
I like the little platoon already, but why should I care about anyone else, when you all have the same take on everything?
Have the balls to stick out mates.
Syphilis bacteria may just be congenital to the human population as a whole, in the same way herpetic viruses are. All populations may have had it in some form.
Will you give "Rogue Elements" an honest review or chicken out? "Well... um... I guess we'll have to wait until we see the full series."
Captain America 4 trailer drops: "What an absolute joke! This is the worst movie ever made! Here's my 16 min rant!"
Made my day!
Rogue Elements is just some random movie. Captain America 4 is the latest in a franchise that's been getting continously worse over time. The more we learn about it, the worse it seems.
I theoretically agree with the idea that you shouldn't criticise something before you've seen it, but these two are not comparable.
@@HerohammerStudios I think his point was rather that kiddy gloves are being used for Rogue Elements because it's made by Critical Drinker.
@@KaNoMikoProductions Oh, didn't know that lol. Yeah, that makes sense
Jedi Brookes : the Chris Gore of BSUP....
It's bsupin' time
Second season has all the ambition and goodish plot but not enough talent to make it work
I mean we need the kid to have 3 gems in the final so Vi just drops her gauntlets at the entrance
Little Platoon needs an aged wizard skin. long beard bald head
Little Platoon ghost in the shell review when tho
I dunno, Platoon is probably the best-equipped guy on the platform to interpret it correctly because he has a classical education (instead of being a reddit scifi filmbro or a gender studies weeaboo) but I'd be really pissed if he came out of it with generic movie essay takes about transhumanism and existentialism and all that junk. He probably understands the more high-brow references that go into it, but you can't take that film at face value, there's a bunch of homework involved, you gotta be familiar with Oshii's bag of tricks and know the manga (and its many spinoffs) well enough to spot everything that was changed or removed from the original story. He already spent like 2 years working on that Dune review, he can't just whip reviews out of his ass. I mean, he can when it's something like Madame Web, but this isn't something like Madame Web.
From the trailer, the Y2k film looks to be what I would describe as a "Low Comedy". Suffering through the 1st trailer was bad enough.
Jersey Joe Rogan❤
👉😁👉
Rogan is from Jersey.
For the algorithm
Yal honestly gave more fair justice to ArcaneS2 so far.
I know the show is flawed but its not as bad as others r making sound.
Like the latest EFAP breakdown on Act1
Efap was misery porn. Mauler gets lost in his own arguments and rags just never gave a shit.
Arcane still has cool things in it, but the meat is not there anymore
It's worse.
The only people that like it are either those who likes anything, or the lore geeks that thinks having easter eggs all over the show makes a good story, ie Necrit.
@mstrikerwildrift
What ddnt you like that's making it "worse"?
Besides the rushed scenes & forgotten plots & forced character inserts.
I have couple more but I'll hold on those jzt to see if ur catching on onto the flaws.
Overall, my points are minor, or rather not a BIG deal like the rest of others r making out to be.
@oneofyus3799
Their trash talk is fine w shit shows/movies but it's spreading unto good/decent shows & tarnishing them for interested viewers.
We all know/knew that this show is gna end w the S2.
So in a way we have to assume there is gna be changes, lack of a better word, but overall watchable for the most part as well as sensible
EFAP becomes such a stupid echo chamber sometimes. They really need some people with differing opinions to bounce off of. Jay used to be that until his mental illnesses took over
Good lord, Jedi Brooks never shuts up does he? Give your panelists time to get out a thought before you go on a 5 min rant.
Hint: if you make a claim that discussion is important, then you should let other people chime in to discuss instead of talking for everyone.
I still enjoy this series, but yeah there are issues. Especially with characters acting certain ways, Caitlyn would not talk to Vi like that.
Shared universe is not the problem.
How many different stories did Tolkien include within the greater world of Middle-Earth?
It's bad writers, not a problem with the concept.
I am enjoying Arcane season 2. Thought episodes 4 to 6 were an improvement over the first three.
You know what, Movie Cynic? You are definitely Native becuase your arms are smooth as glass. Especially, compared to DarkHour's.
Ironically enough im the direct blood descendent of a Choctaw Chieftain named Pushmataha. But those genes are very buried at Wounded Knee
@@DarkHourYT
That's really cool.
And yeah, the Genes can get buried, I'm part Asian and my chest is basically a rug.
Arcane s2 is the Joker 2 of tv series
That’s an exaggeration. Joker 2 actively shits on its audience for liking Joker. Arcane S2 has it problems but it isn’t as bad as that.
Nowhere near that bad.
Oof bad take
Re evaluate that thought
Arcane season 1 is overrated, it's a good show but not as good as people make it out to be. Season 2 is atually bad.
Arcane season 1 is on an excellent level of quality in comparison to most shows we get these days. Season 2 is on a level of quality which makes it easily confused with most of them. That's the difference. I watched season one about a year after all the hype had died down, as the hype annoyed me at the time and I mainly wanted everyone to shut up. I was pleasantly surprised that it largely lived up to the glowing reviews. Not without its own issues, of course. I thought the shoe-horned brothel scene was forced and made little to no sense, mainly just being there for fan-service which is, y'know, whatever. I didn't think any of the race-swapping was particularly necessary but, again, whatever. I don't have a problem with strong female characters- particularly since Jinx and Vi, both powerhouses in their own way, are nevertheless masterclasses in how to make a character compelling and badass, yet flawed. On the other hand, they were definitely trying to push a bit of "social progress" with the sheer amount of powerful women on the city council, the strong general lady from noxus, having Cait's mom be the crack markswoman while her dad is more on the domestic side- none of it is a big deal, but what they're doing ain't exactly subtle either.
Still, despite a few instances of plot armor and some contrivances, I'd be comfortable calling the first season a masterpiece. So many elements came together between the art direction, the music choices, the dialogue, and the writing. Unfortunately season 2 seems to think that it can get by on just the pretty visuals and killer soundtrack, and who really cares about the story and dialogue. Which, uh. Weird choice, that.
When Season 1 came out, it wasn't a case of, "Well, at least it's better than 'X'". I think the vast majority of people who loved it still stand by their initial feelings. Why do you dislike it, and why do you think it's overrated?
Wrong.
@@seancallaway5204 Not comparing it to anything, at the release time i really enjoyed the 3 first episodes. But Act2 didn't do much for me, i enjoyed some part of it ( like the Ekko vs Jinx fight ) but couldn't really connect emotionally. Act 3 bringed my interest back with a good final, i'm not saying it's not good but it's just not connecting with me, most of the character i didn't really like in act 2 except Ekko and Viktor, but Jinx, Vi and Jayce were really feeling one note to me. There are a lot of part that I would've liked to be a little developped so that i can understand how they evolved and changed so much from act 1. Like seeing how Vi lived her life in jail would actually make me believe the character progression more for example. Anyway i'm not just hating Arcane season 1, i just genuinly couldn't connect with the story past arc 1.
@@Phoenix0F8 Yeah i'd agree there's way too many strong female for my taste lol in the opposite you don't get a lot of strong male character except Jayce who ends up being a parody of one and is easily the most dislikeable character in the show. It gets even worst in season 2 where i feel that even Viktor is kind pathetic and it's basically women doing everything. Maybe i'm overly picky but i don't enjoy watching an action show with political stakes in it that includes 90% of women appearing most of the time on screen.
The animal fighting in Gladiator 2 made it much more interesting. It would be boring and repetitive to keep fighting other gladiators. Good call in the end
Completely disagree, S2 is amazing. Stop being so grumpy.
Cope.
@shadowgamer4306 log off
Gladiator 2 was decent. There was no filth or perversion in it. Lots of action!