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"For almost a decade, I have been designing space construction machines, space ports and drones to help form a space construction industry." Neat. So has my nephew, with his space legos. He is almost ready to start playing Space Engineers.
I made a mod in space engineers! so clearly that means I would be able to make us a space faring species, I can even make cgi models myself :O big proof! Send me millions, and I can make my CGI/blender models into reality! because as they say, if you can cgi it, you can be-gi it (get it, cuz it would "be" in existence or something)
Playing with legos requires logical thinking, 3d space awareness and structural integrity understandings, your nephew is years ahead of this VERA space station guy.
I think the funniest part is the space robots that don't exist giving hand signals instead of just "beaming" the information to each other across the wifi lol
“For almost a decade, I have been designing space construction machines, space ports and drones to help form a space construction industry.” Translation: “I’ve sunk over 100+ hours into Kerbal Space Program & think I’m a rocket scientist now. You can trust me on this.”
Actually. Hes only been dreaming about playing kerbal space program. He foesnt actually own a computer. Considering hes asking other people yo do graphics...
*I’ve sunk over 100+ hours into Kerbal Space Program & think* I'd end up summoning an elder god if I were ever put in charge of any construction project.
Give this guy credit - for the cost of a single mailbox at a UPS store, some embroidered shirts, some pitch videos and some early 90’s graphics rendering of the docking sequence from 2001 a Space Odyssey, he’s raised 1 million dollars.
I give the fools who gave any money much more discredit then I do giving someone credit for just using the same old snake oil selling tactics on newer bullshit.
In reference to Babylon 5: the first season CGI was rendered on a farm of Commodore Amiga 2000’s. Running 25Mhz 68040 accelerators, and 32 Megabytes of RAM; each frame took ~45 minutes to render. Nowadays we can render far higher quality graphics in real-time, but back in the day, Foundation Imaging’s work on Babylon 5 was pretty groundbreaking, even if the show was, well, a bit “uneven”.
Why would they use Amigas (not that they weren't great machines) when far more advanced hardware like the Sun Microsystems computers were specially built for graphics and rendering like that? I'm not really a computer person, but I did do some engineering work around that time on them and they were truly incredible.
@@user-zb9lv3gh8s Newtek Lightwave and Toaster hardware landed on the Amiga before other platforms, and that’s what Foundation Imaging primarily used. Later in Season 2 (and beyond) they moved to Lightwave on Windows NT running on a mix of x86 and Alpha hardware.
@@tedferkin is that really your standard for respect bro come on man. have some real standards literally went to his engineers and said make my rockets pointier and the fact that he admits this regularly somehow doesn't tip people off to the fact that he's not nearly as smart as everyone thinks he is the fact that he didn't make them pointier himself at the very least
@@tedferkin Do you stand with the neofascist Ukraine govt that's been shelling it's own citizens? Did you EVER investigate the whole DOnbass thing going on for 8 years? Did you even CARE about Ukraine before February? I did. And I cared for both sides. Just, the one side pretends it's not been committing genocide on ethnic others inside their borders which kinda bugs me. Look up the Azov Batallion. And figure out why Ukraine shells Donbass, but Spain doesn't shell Barcelona. Can you spot the differences, can you justify it? Would you flag for Spain had it been shelling Barcelona for 8 years when France or Italy would finally step in to stop it? Poor Spain, just let them do their their thing, peace man!? Do you flag for Israel when they bomb the shit out of Gaza, do you flag for Saudi Arabia when they totally level all of Yemen? Why the actual heck are you flagging for Ukraine? Do you consult an energy company there or something?
For my engineering degree I had to take an ethics course to learn it was unethical to call myself an engineer without all the things that make a person an engineer. Seems to me I should have never taken the class, I could be calling myself anything I wanted before, just like this guy.
@@Cpt.BEARDless I'm not sure how I see how that pertains to what I said. Now, if HE identified as a effing R=-tard, and you said he wasn't, then you'd be in the wrong. People are allowed to 'pretend' to be whatever they want... thats why I call this the 'Barney' generation. Nobody learned how to adult. Here's the big mistake 99% of these people make (and I probably shouldn't be teaching them in a public forum) - its only illegal if they truly feel threatened by your words or actions. Them calling the cops and standing their WAITING for the cops while they glare at you destroys the basis of that legal argument.
@@marktaylor6553 that last part actuslly made me realize WHY the officer chose to stand up for me vs the other guy. I was somewhat confused at first that he wasnt telling me off
This VERA guy reminds me of someone I knew who declared himself to be an 'Ideas Man'. He would prance around the office throwing out ridiculously complex and unrealistic ideas and vague plans for a new project. When someone asked how it was to be accomplished, he would respond with a snort 'I'm just the Ideas Guy. It's your job to make it happen!' The projects wouldn't pass the first hurdle, and he would think everyone around him was incompetent.
@@Skank_and_Gutterboy We have a guy like that at work, but on a small scale. He will sketch up a design for a pump-set to sit on, call for angle iron to build the whole thing, and then fight me when I tell him he just designed a steel bench with legs like Bambie. I have coined the term "welders choice" for most of the changes I make, which is pretty much everything other than the critical dimensions.
Being an actual engineer these types of people really really get on my nerves. This is pseudo-engineering and its frustrating that the general public falls for it and gives money to it.
@@xidarian But He is right to ask critical questions. With basic grasp of technical aspect one can see there is much wishfull thinking and not so much of proper design included. Back of an envelope calculations proves this outer torus will weight in between 8 to 10 thousands metric tonnes. Currently we have capabilities to deliver under 50T per lunch, with lunch systems for 90-100T scheduled in next decade. I will leave open the questions of who, for what monet, and in what timeline will proviede such quantity of materials to the orbit.
I'd be so pissed if I patented the 2001: A space oddyssey Orbital station incl. assembly yard and then the $150 animation gig on fiverr gets the centrifugal forces wrong. Hard to find professionals these days.
26:08 : Welder's perspective here, that type of welding is called intermittent welding, and it's primarily used to minimize heat distortion. Welds shrink as they cool, and can warp the metal, that warping is ESPECIALLY difficult to control in sheet metal fabrication, and you almost never want to weld more than the bare minimum where you can. Not defending musk or starship, but the welders know what they're doing.
It is definitely not the welder's fault it was crushed, but the overall design is bad. The welders just do their job, it is not their job to calculate the forces in the tank and the resistence of that pipe.
It was an error in pressurization. The differential between inside the tank and inside the pipe was too large. It is the type of error that you make an automated alert to inform of the pressure differential getting out of range. It has been repaired and pressure tested.
pretty sure those ribs are useless as they're not stable (as seen by them zig-zagging and giving way) i think having them on the inside of the pipe would've been better but restricted flow, or just have reinforcements going through the middle. of maybe they could've looked up how they did it in previous designs, pretty sure the patent on the Saturn V is expired by now. don't know why i wrote all this, welding is fucking awesome btw.
@@FlorinArjocu How is the overall design of the fuel downcomer pipe "bad"? What alternative design do you recommend? SpaceX blows them up until they succeed. I wish I was an angel investor in that company!
26:10 the stitch-welding is there to reduce the thermal stress the shrinking of the hot but solidified fresh weld induces. The gaps are there to relief. There is also a weakening of the material, we try to produce a lot of stuff by using sheet metal not only because it is easy to calculate but also because the rolling process (and heat treating) induces stresses we want, and the heating removes those stresses around the weld by glowing and induces nwe ones. This is why we rivet aircraft, like the titanic.
What interests me tho, is we know how to make pipes that dont fail. Gas, oil, water.. everthing goes thro pipes. Then spaceX says, we need a pipe, this is the pressure, this is the weight target, lets redesign the tube. And they failed. They failed making a tube.. in a rocket. A tube should not fail. They tried to redesign a tube to meet a spec, and failed. 👍
Literally whenever a company like this comes out, if the first part of their presentation isn't on how they will tackle the energy requirements to construct their infrastructure, they are crackpots...
How would one handle the energy needs? Heck, what are the energy needs? These people never say. Would the first step be assembling large solar farms in space to support the rest of the project? Or, are we talking lugging nuclear reactors into orbit?
literally there is no reason at all trying to construct thing in space where you can construct them on earth and just send them to space for quick "snap-on" assembling like what they been doing for ISS for the past 30 yrs.
@@tarotaro6933 I could see there being a reason--resources. Suppose that, by some miracle, we get mining operations started elsewhere, away from Earth. It would be ridiculous to drag all of that metal down to Earth for processing. Then, it might be good to have some sort of factory set up in space. Of course, this is a bit like trying to invent a railroad before the steam engine even comes into existence; science fiction on a good day, fantasy most of the time.
@@ih9649 that's just something straight out of sci-fi. In fact despite the idea of building a space smelt facility is vastly used in many sci-fi book and movie, but in reality it is very unpractical. First, most space astral objects are form with lighter element such as gas/water, it is actually pretty rare to find a astral objects besides a planet of course. Second, if you lucky enough to find let say a astral objects that has the minerals deposit you were looking for, how do you get that astral objects to shift it's current orbit to your destination orbit? Third, it requires many ingredients to make just one ton of simple industy (not aerospace grade, that will be even harder) grade steel. Just having one or two kind of ingredients is not gonna save any payload because you need to ship the rest of needed material to complete the smelting. (you need 10ton of coal, 4 ton of iron, 1 ton of limestone in general for 1 ton of steel, so unless you have all of this resource in space, you won't be saving any payloads at all) Fourth, let say magically you are able to find all the needed materials to do such smelting in space. You still need one very important factor, that's oxygen. It requires about 30-50kg of pure oxygen to smelting one ton of steel. And as we all know, oxygen is a very rare resources in space that you are likely to not find anywhere else besides earth. So just by shipping those oxygen to the space smelting facility, that alone will make the whole operation unpractical.
If this dude's for real then I've been designing space ships, space stations and orbital construction facilities on the inside of my binders since the 3rd grade...
you got it. Critical thinking allows you to see both sides of the coin. Autists like him only see the side that gets them to overstim and that's good enough for them. Tricking their own brains into getting doped on their own hormones, endorphins, dopamine, etc.
Maybe you mentioned it and I missed it, but there is a HUGE difference between building a rectangular structure and a torus, that he seems to overlook. You can't use a standard size for anything! He seems to think you can shoot up an Ikea set and have the gesturing robots figure it out. But there are quite a bit more logistics involved...
Imagine a PO box on VERA, a combined LGA and MGA, built by CVGs using RSCA and GSTEL, also known as CDRUM, and VSTEL, including ERVs, that uses STVs and BSTVs controlled by OCCs to deliver mail.
Great dissection of this, and thanks for the shout out! So, to keep things straight, although this guy still owns the vast majority of shares of Orbital Assembly Corporation (the fund-raising frames), this project would be in COMPETITION with what OAC is doing. He's now operating at least TWO scams.
Just to defend old school sci-fi, I personally don't care if the graphics are crazy, if the characters and stories are good. This is why 60s outer limits still holds up
That’s the thing with sci-fi. It is about testing our narratives in new environment. The quality of the matte painting is irrelevant to the story being told. As long as it sells that it is a new environment and set it’s rules. Older sci-fi ages nice. Much more than action films due to the focus being the storytelling. Now this shit they are trying to sell as real life. Ugh
Depends really. Bad graphics can hurt a show especially if there are a lot of them, but otherwise sci-fi is just drama in space. Obviously a newer audience accustomed to more advanced graphics might not be as impressed.
And once again, there is no actual tech being shown off here. Not even in miniature or a rough mock-up for demonstration purposes. We have no evidence that this man can even change a tire, yet we're expected to believe that he's already got it all figured out and the only thing holding us back from becoming a space-faring species is that we haven't given this guy money yet? Please. Aren't there supposed to be laws against false advertising and scamming people out of millions?
The Apollo program accomplished more in any 6 month span that these fruit-baskets have in 13 years. Oh, that's right, they make the rules. Making a computer presentation = accomplishing work
You forgot to comment on the best part of the CGI video at 3:30, a robot doing nothing else other than waving its hands to communicate with impossibly flying drones that apparently can't position the thing itself... Truly wonderful.
i would like to point out that their CG spacestation is as generic as it gets, i think designs like that date to around ww2. And mesh like structure pose massive problems , they are probably the least viable methods for constructing something thats intended to be inhabited in space, how are you even gonna setup bulkheads in case of a breach? This has integriy problems on the same level as fucking hyperloop and amature people can point them out
Its just a scam guy making vids of what people would like to see... so it has to have things people already have in their heads. But he will go on to point out how obviously those short sighted aerospace engineers can't see his genius and he needs to erm... to crowdfund? Am I right? I haven't watched it past the first second... cos... well I can see what is going to transpire.
Hey, I can answer one of these questions! In a modular design you could have all modules be their own isolated system, meaning they don't need to rely on other modules, wait, you're saying he's just putting structural beams together? ah. ok.
I can forgive the images not showing solar panels, and the ships not having rcs thrusters, Those are small and not needed to show the concept. The fact that nothing exists, the robots being needlessly humanoid, the disregard for gravity, and the million little and not so little lies, that's what makes the thing so painful to watch.
The thing about CGI missing solar panels or thrusters is that it highlights how there is no actual plan, no actual prototype, no anything. Otherwise, they'd only need to copy it and so have all the major parts drawn.
I'd say though solar panels and heat exchangers are kinda fundamental to the operation of the unit. I do agree the RCS (drink!) thrusters aren't needed to imply the idea.
I am an aerospace engineer and that's one of the better comments in this menagerie of social media shitfuckery. I'm mostly a fan of thunderf00t and what he exposes but I don't like his cheap shots at Gwynne Shotwell. He's always linking her to Elon's fantasies which isn't exactly fair. Yes she works for a clown, but thunderf00t needs to separate Falcon (& Crew Dragon) from Elon's fantasies of Starship & Mars. What he should be comparing Falcon & Crew Dragon to is Boeing's Starliner, which isn't easy because it hasn't flown a single successful mission and we don't know the costs. Thunderf00t mentions the Falcon & Crew Dragon at $60-70 million and that's a damn sight better than the space shuttle's $450million, which it was costing at the end. I've seen costs as high as $90 million for a single seat on Soyuz, but also closer to $20 million (for Denis Tito in 2001). So 4 Astronauts to the ISS for $70million is getting back to and under the 2001 Soyuz costs. *THAT'S an IMPROVEMENT.* Plus if you look at what she actually says there's nothing wrong technically with it. Reusable wont be that great until the usability is closer to a jet plane. I don't think it will ever get there with current materials and technology because your comparing something that goes into orbit, does 7km/s and then flies back down at Mach 20 reaching temperatures of several 1000 deg.C and the other just doesn't do that. IS tunderf00t 100% right on Gateway, John Blincow and Elon Musk? YEAH - ABSOLUTELY. IS he misrepresenting Gwynne Shotwell and what has been achieved with Falcon & Crew Dragon? Yeah, because he's linking that program to Elon & Starship instead of comparing it to Boeing Starliner or Soyuz.
5:03 I learned about this issue well over a decade ago, when I realized that the centrifugal force would have a strong "uphill/downhill" component to it's force. The solution I envision is to use a design a lot like those Incan layered mountain farms, and slant it so instead of a "flat" ring with sideways gravity, it's instead a series of steps that point into the rotation. It's not a Halo Ring, but it could make flat ground in space and also make reality of stairs that endlessly go down or up and still connect back at the original point.
Let us completely ignore that to generate 1G on the outer ring requires a radius of at least 1-kilometre so that Coriolis forces won't prevent human beings from functioning. Descending from the centre to the outer ring in an elevator feels like you are constantly doing back flips. Walking axle-wise will result in falls. Walking spinward or antispinward would be OK, until you tried to change direction. Stanley Kubrick did many amazing things - but for The Discovery in 2001, the simple fact of the matter is that if you put a person in such a small centrifuge it would be impossible for them to function while inside it. They would constantly be disoriented and falling over, and vomiting everywhere. The studies which have revealed this information are rock solid.
We don't actually know how big a space station needs to be. All of our experience so far has been in spinning rooms on earth with real gravity and "artificial gravity" at right angles to each other. Spin calc makes some guesses based on estimates by others, but most (not all) people can probably tolerate a smaller spinning station. There are even people who can move around on a gravitron carnival ride without significant disorientation.
@@opcn18 Yeah. I'd also add that you may not need to generate 1G for a system to be useful. Just a quarter G might be enough to prevent a lot of the health issues that come from weightlessness. Another idea is to spin the system up while everybody is asleep to closer to 1G, then spin it down while people are up and moving around to a quarter G or less.
@@sunspot42 If it takes propellant to spin up and down that idea can't go anywhere. If reaction wheels are somehow used maybe. Gravity is most useful when you are awake to work against it. You want the body under concentrated loads which you don't get while you are sleeping.
@@opcn18 I'm talking small structures, like the Discovery in 2001. Those would be electrically spun with motors. We don't know when gravity is most useful for preventing the health issues that come with weightlessness - cranking up the artificial gravity during sleep might be sufficient, and would avoid the issues cased by spinning a small structure too quickly for astronauts trying to move about. Of course, you'd also need some way to stop the spin relatively rapidly in an emergency, so astronauts could move about safely.
When I first saw "2001: A space Odyssey" back in 1972; I always though that having a rotating square hanger in the middle of the rotating space station was a bit odd. In the book the docking port was a central hub rotating in the opposite direction of the spin of the station to which the shuttle would come along side and dock. None of that having to spin the shuttle to match the rotation of the hanger before going in as seen in the movie. And as debunked here. Someone in the SFX team got it wrong back in the mid-60s. Now did I hear correctly, people are going to WALK along the access tubes from the centre of the station to the outer ring? Doesn't he mean FALL? At least in 2001 they got that bit right, and had Heywood Floyd in an elevator that you sat in, as it ran down the access tubes to the rim; the centre of the station being up in relation to the outer ring.
Having a rotating central hub in the middle would be pretty complicated. You'd need bearings, seals and air locks and all sorts of things. And you'd need to match the relative motion of the shuttle to that if the landing bay thing regardless of whether it's rotating relative to the rim. There is no still or level in space. The other thing is - just put the landing bay at the bottom of the central hub so there is at least a little bit of 'gravity'.
3:00 A little bit of irony... "How is this going to weld anything?" In fact, STOPPING metals from spontaneously welding themselves together is a real problem in space. Without any oxidation, clean flat metal surfaces will spontaneously self-weld in space, making things which should not be stuck together suddenly become fused. This has been a cause of failures in the past. But of course, prompting and controlling that sort of 'accidental' welding on a large scale is not feasible.
So next year we have the business idea of welding stuff in space for free without using expensive welding equipment! Imaging all the money you can save on gas bottles and ... ;)
I worked on a lot of Sci-fi back in the day. Babylon 5 CG was done in Lightwave. An interesting software, that became obsolete quickly, despite having cutting edge features. The workflow was too unique against Maya, 3DS, XSI. Only package where the Y axis pointed down, instead of up.
I've been making spaceships in Sketchup for the better part of a decade now and then. Guess that means I'm qualified to start my own space-tourism-industry company.
Thunderfoot taught me; though I do not hold a high level degree, I can tell people I invented stuff, use buzzwords, make a cool computer animated video and get people to give me money. It's insane! Maybe thinking about a solar railway hyper tunnel that produces water, in space.
It actually creates water in space so you can put an underwater tunnel in the water, allowing you to put your solar powered roadway inside the tunnel, finally allowing your non robot Tesla taxis to drive you 100m across your water world space park hotel in space :-)
Ahhh Babylon 5 ... got to remember this was rendered on an Amiga with a 40Mhz processor and 32MB of RAM (well, 16 of them) Pretty amazing for the time.
Was browsing the comments looking to see if I needed to post that 😄 just to add a 30 second clip took 2-3 days to render on the Amiga 2000 even with an accelerator.
"Let me fix that for you..." the shuttle disembarkation sequence ruptured my internals with laughter! I'm just gobsmacked at the level of nonsense Blincow just spews forth and he's been campaigning for a decade. This is Extreme Picard Facepalming. Really enjoyed this vid!
The shuttle looks like a passenger version of the Dream Chaser spaceplane. The first cargo version of which might fly sometime next year. Assuming the Vulcan Centaur rocket is ready.
It's funny how the "Coriolis" space stations in the space flight simulator game _Elite: Dangerous_ have more reasonable implementation of artificial gravity than this concept. The station rotates and you fly in through a port in the pole. You then land on the interior wall of the rotating station. Gravity is low in the hangar but increases when you go downstairs away from the axis of rotation.
docking was always fun in ED, as long as you could actually find which pad was lit up for you :'D The scale of those stations was much more accurate as well, I dont know the exact numbers but those spinny stations this company is making (err, rendering) look like theyre only a few hundred meters wide at the most. At that size I would think the thing would need to be spinning incredibly fast to create 1G on the outer ring, and it's so small that there would be quite a large difference in the gravity at your feet and the gravity at your head. I dont think it would be very comfortable.
@@SpydersByte It's also fun to pull off some advanced newtonian maneuvers during docking when you disable flight assist. You can essentially make handbrake turns in space.
@@Plutonia001 yea I usually keep flight assist off, I grew up playing JumpGate which was an old space mmo that used a newtonian engine with no flight assist systems. It led to a lot of drift circling in PvP, and some really fun docking maneuvers. The docking port on the stations was just barely larger than the size of most ships so getting the vector exactly right, flying in at max speed, and then doing the turn-and-burn to slow yourself, would lead to you docking facing "backward" relative to the port. You could only dock at a specific max speed so timing the TnB so that you just barely got under that speed right before you docked was the sign of a true master :D Im sure you can imagine that in pvp last second speed docking was very important. Such a good game that was. I miss it :'(
@@SpydersByte look like theyre only a few hundred meters wide at the most. At that size I would think the thing would need to be spinning incredibly fast to create 1G 50 meter radius 1g 4.23rpm. 100 m radius 2.99 rpm.
I used to love a thunderf00t upload, I loved the deep insights into nuclear and physical science, sadly I find the last year or so of videos sounding like a child whining.. and come away either part way through a video or feeling I've lost something seeing it to completion.
A few years ago I was working in an Air Force program office. Another organization asked us to oversee the design, build, and launch of communications satellite to support some experiment they were doing. We had no experience with satellites; our only involvement was that we'd paid for the development of the radio they were going to use. So we have this new PM, a reservist major who'd decided to go back to active duty, and she's managing this program like a cult leader. All of a sudden the entire branch is assigned to her IPT, and her IPT meetings were just her telling us what she'd done over the past week. No one was allowed to attend meetings with the partner org or the contractor except her and the contracting officer. At one point someone brought up the need for a risk assessment and she blew up, going into a rant about how sick she was sick of all the "negative talk" when we're the best and "that's why we're going to have this satellite launched in 18 months when the experts say it'll be 36". We were 2 months into those 18 and didn't yet have a contract awarded. This reminds me of that.
@@ericgolightly8450 Awards in the military are BS. You write up that so and so led a team of so many people on a project worth so many dollars, don't mention that they didn't meet the budget or schedule, and if the numbers are larger than anyone else's you get a nice little trophy.
The idea of building stuff in space could probably work even with today's technology... but maybe start with building something small and have your space station as the stretch goal you want to reach in a few decades. Maybe start with building a satellite, telescope, or some remote-controlled laboratory first.
The problem remains the cost and limited tonnage that can be shipped to LEO. If that be over come, machines might well be able to fabricate the outer shell of the structures, but the intricate detail of the interior would ultimately require large numbers of people just like on modern ships and offshore Oil structures as well as the construction of specialist equipment that needs to go inside. That really requires a pressurised space dock yard. Of course that requires a large habitat. The nearest thing we've built to actual spaceships are nuclear powered submarines, that cost over $1 billion each and built by highly specialised ship builders. I think its much more realistic to build such structures on the moon assuming that the moon can also supply all of basis raw materials (including food, fuel, oxygen, power generation) at the necessary levels to sustain the 1000+ strong work force. Even then all of the specialist equipment would need to be built and shipped from earth.
Building these things on earth is already incredibly hard, all welds and seals need to be absolutely perfect. Repairing them in space is something we have experience with, and it is excrutiatingly difficult to even do basic welds. Building things in space? Its just going to make these things even more expensive and difficult. There is a good reason we build satellites on the ground.
Thunderfoot busted videos are one of my favourite things on the internet and somehow I missed this banger when it came out. Was marked played and I’ve never seen it. Must have dozed off in the middle of a queue or something.
It took thousands of brilliant minds to get humans to space, now this one guy thinks he can do everything they couldn’t. These people don’t understand the sheer amount of knowledge that exists and how little of it a single person can command.
_"...people don’t understand the sheer amount of knowledge that exists and how little of it a single person can command."_ When the cargo cult was mentioned my mind wondered off. Goodies fell from the sky and they thought to try and increase their chances by making their place, what they thought would be, more enticing to drop stuff on. They made a couple of understandable mistakes, like thinking they knew what made planes drop stuff and it was because it liked them, but the idea wasn't all that bad. But if then more crates drop, will they consider that an effect of their efforts and high five each other, or thank the plane gods and perhaps sacrifice a teen's life to keep it happy because lots of people got sick from the shiny stones from the last drop? Will they ever realize how much _they_ themselves do and acknowledge that? Will they ever stop to think what they did and if they think they deserve or accomplished something or if their peers do or did? When I eat bread, am I grateful? If so, to what or to whom, if anything or anyone? When theists give a prayer of gratitude for a meal, who do they thank? How did the meal get on the table? They asked Jesus and he poofed some? Or did they get it at a store. Is it a magic store god put there? Does god fill it every day? But if you ask a non theist, in general you won't get much better answers. Food comes from the store, that's about it. People take it for granted and rarely if ever stop to think how the food got there and why it is there. For us, it all starts with the sun, increasing entropy, making life and everything about it possible. But after that, it's a whole bunch of people, all doing their part, even if there's a god that created the Earth and the Sun. But I don't see people shooting their money at the sun to pay it for their bread, but I do see people closing their eyes and telling their children to be grateful to an imagined source of all existence, encouraging them to overlook all the steps and people that are involved in between that and the meal. People aren't encouraged often, if ever, to stop and think how they got where they are and that it might be a good thing to be grateful and to direct it at the people and things you can show to be responsible. And the more I think about it, the more I think it harmful to continue that neglect. I think we _should_ encourage each other to, every now and again think about how we got the comforts and medical and technological advancements and baffling crop yields, etc., etc. and celebrate it, maybe over a winter solstice, when the months are dark and cold in the northern hemisphere and billions of people feel like breaking that up with a party with loved ones, lots of food, presents to emphasize appreciation for each other and for the luxurious comforts that are a part of our growing societies, and lots of light of course, and warmth, maybe music for those who, like myself, are "warmed" by it. I think that that is not a bad idea, to give back to the people what is theirs: their intuition to want to be together and remind ourselves that we inevitably rely on each other every fucking day, especially in the darkest days, and that we have the fullest right and perhaps even an obligation to people around the world and in our histories and futures to be grateful for that and to say it out loud and/or show our gratitude. To ceasar his tax money, to god his well earned middle finger, and to the people their freedom to celebrate what makes sense intuitively to celebrate. Anyway, until that happens, I'll fucking drink to you, for my gratitude that you help spread something I find extremely important. I hope you have an amazing day and that your life will be filled with moments of happiness and moments of sharing happiness, and knowledge and all that jazz, of course, but to me they're just necessities to make us happy. And happiness is a necessity to keep our complex brains healthy and motivated, which are necessities for the sustainability of our existence, which I don't really give a crap about because why should I - it all leads me to be empathic and to aim to progress and be happy and I enjoy that :D So inevitably, I wish that on other people as well, so that I and everyone who exists after I die live in a world where those things are considered normal, healthy, and beneficial. After all, the world I live in is the way it is because of the efforts of the people before me and evidently, many had similar ideas to mine and made my life pretty fucking awesome. I'm loved, I get the care I need, I have far more comforts I reasonably need and enjoy immensely, and above all I have the comfort of trust - I know that I don't have to worry about set backs, big or small, because there will always be kind, empathic, creative, and smart people with loads of knowledge and experience we can all fucking rely on because our species as a whole evolved that way. We're also not the only species that did and is successful because of it. Heck, even particles benefit from constructive interference. It's kind of a universal thing with analogies allover the fucking place. Yet, billions of people are oblivious to it every fucking day. And as a result, people, like the people in the cargo cults, make the same mistakes over and over, where they misplace responsibilities, extrapolate wrongly to make predictions of what they need to do to get certain results, and billions of people are misguided, blinded, and hurt by it. So, people, please, let's stop praising our gods and band together to actually look at what actually happens. Refuse to accept thinking errors and logical fallacies as excuses for views, opinions, and actions. We all deserve more. Even if I don't, you do and someone you love does and they deserve a far better world than we make it. For the love of all you love, do better, do good and learn and grow to have a better picture of what helps and what is good. Two(approximately, depending on how much of it is a given to anyone else but me) things I learned that I think everyone should know and be aware of: - _Knowledge is what gives the freedom to choose,_ without it there is no choice (and free will is not a requirement for any of this) - _The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return_ - Nat King Cole
I mean this guy is a fraud but that's a weird take. Every single successful invention has previous failed attempts that came before it. I.e. the falcon 9 rockets. They weren't the first attempt, but they were a wild success. The guy has no proof, experience, or functional ideas. That's why it's a crackpot. We will have a rotational artificial gravity space station one day, and based on recent history it's probably going to be a private company that makes it happen first.
you may want to get the behind the scenes books that show how the season long plot arcs weren't as set in stone as people think. they abandoned a great deal from the pilot episode
its like a child thought of this, completely disregarding all the limitations of space travel. can you imagine how infinitely more expensive it would be to manufacture a space station in space as opposed to making it on earth and then just attaching the pieces
When my son was 4 (he is now 19), I said lets make a Space Shuttle, so using old milk bottles, cardboard and spray paint we started making the Shuttle, even then my son was asking simple questions that these sort of "investors" seem incapable of even thinking of.
I can't believe that some Guys at the movies were actually closer to inventing a Stargate than this guy is to build a Space Station. I mean....they had it right there. It was even spinning!
I love how some people wake up one day and think, "I'm going to be an engineer from today, and build stuff" like it was the most natural thing in the world. We see experienced engineers and scientist screw up monumentally sometimes. How the hell could someone without any formal training even start to anticipate the requirements an undertaking, like building things off-planet would entail?
I can't believe that I'm as far along with my plans of creating black hole based power generators for every home on the planetas these people! Progress truly is an amazing thing!
Pure genius. For a mere million dollars, he's going to launch his massive auto-welder machine into space where it can automagically assemble an entire space station out of Sketchfab prefab 3D models and then once he has his automated space station he's going to launch giant prefab steel plates for the automatic welder to weld together because that's how all of this works. Especially for one million dollars. After all, Sketchfab models are free, and everybody knows that 3D models cost the same thing as real-world counterparts. Just ask Elon Musk! It's super easy! Who the hell is dumb enough to think you can crowdfund a goddamn space station, and why are they allowed to reproduce?
"why are they allowed to reproduce" because they are a human bioweapon. A DDOS. If they die out, the common people will realize they're being robbed by the elite and slay the elites next. But these idiots exist to worship the elite and act as their guards, while causing dissolution of any organized revolutions. They exist to keep human standards dirt-low. The ELITE. Are the ones who PAY for them to reproduce and replace 'smart' people. This is the real face of World war 3.
Aren't all government ventures, such as the International Space Station, crowd funded? Forcibly mind you... (Kidnapping and/or death for non-compliance)
@@lubricatedgoat very much so, but they have 100% participation rates (: and 90% of the money is laundered. I've seen NASA part quotes. They pay 5000$ for a block of aluminum that has basically 0 real cost. We're talking basic block for a hinge. Non-mission-critical. A hinge for an internal door.
@@dimitar4y A friend of mine worked on Blackhawk helicopters. He said that some components, such as a large titanium bolt, cost $10k. That's why I consider the USA to be the greatest socialist country ever, since it's so good at redistributing wealth under threat of violence. Pity the wealth goes to the usual suspects.
Has Thunderf00t mentioned "Trillion" yet? they claim to have something like a water based additive that will give diesel more power and less carbon emissions. That might make for a good Busted video.
Thunderf00t should read Dieselnet's article on water injection, "Water in Diesel Combustion". Water injection in Diesel engines is nothing new, and has been done with water-in-fuel emulsions, port injection, and direct injection for quite a while now. Due to the large amounts of water required for a useful reduction in NOx and PM, and the impracticalities of filling up big water tanks on trucks, water injection is mostly a thing for marine engines in ships and generators. For road vehicles, a water-in-fuel emulsion would be the way to go. Trains _might_ be able to do this as well since weight is less of a concern with railway tank cars, although here in the US I really think the government should incentivise overhead electrification and conversion of road engines from Diesel to pantograph power.
@@electric7487 haha now go do a cost calc on electrifiying the common cargo routes of the us. You have apparently no idea about all the other things you need besides endless amounts of cable, masts etc.
If that's the case, they need to start paying royalties to my friend who came up with this idea more than 2 decades ago. Can you believe he was 7 at the time? What a brilliant mind!
Crazy that just going back on this video, Starship is already planning to launch IFT-5 starting to catch the booster with its chopsticks and the IFT-4 was a massive success with a ton of data.
When you said take a shot/drink for every acronym my friends and I paused the video got ready and tried it. We thought they would be more SPACEd out or there would only be 4 or 5. Needless to say we all vomited. Luckily we were all outside watching this video on a cheap projector displayed on the garage door with a Mackie Thump Go speaker for sound. It's probably a good thing all 5 of us vomited because after 8, 9, or 10 shots we'd all be regretting it tomorrow. We'll still probably regret it though but thanks for the content.
Man i love Babylon 5. I just rewatched it when the remastered version came out. Full HD on the parts that don't have any CGI. I remember years ago trying to copy one of the babylon shuttles in the 3D modeling software Lightwave as it was the same program the show used. Must have taken them so long to make the station. 5:10 The disembarkation gave me a good chuckle.
2001: A Space Odyssey had the partial-g docking procedure into a space station down pat 53 years ago. Give or take how much room they thought would be devoted to moving space ships from the docking platform to an inbuilt garage for dozens of spaceships.
@@EternalGaze8 Just a heads up, you might want to check out videos addressing of all the fallacies people who make videos pointing out CSS and Thunderfoot's fallacies, perform when addressing his CSS and Thunderfoot's addresses of Elon's space claims....
@@EternalGaze8 The most egregious mistake I'm aware of them making is taking the engineer's words about the cost of launching with spaceX out of context (the actually went down slightly when you consider that he's launching to a much higher energy orbit) which is a problem but not the greatest sin ever considering that spaceX is charging 20x what they said a falcon 9 launch was eventually going to cost. Being off by a factor of less than 2 versus a factor of 20... But if you have something else be specific. Just sending us on a wild goose chase isn't very productive.
I have an old Etch A Sketch & VHS video camera up in the loft so 'am available to do their graphics if they like. In fact the Etch A Sketch is ideal for their design as I can only do straight lines on it too. Wow, I've seen some dumb pitches in my time, but this is even worse than the one I had with a friends 8 year old about how he was going to construct his underground base. At least he had a spade. Loved the passengers falling out of the shuttle at the end, their pitiful cries had me giggling into my mug of tea.
In the animation where a shuttle is docked and people are walking (not floating) out in a tunnel, it’s presumably under acceleration with the stars moving in a hr background. If that’s the orientation, the people are walking down the wall because the acceleration vector points toward the center of rotation. The correct perspective from that view would be an overhead shot looking “down” not sideways.
Hmmm.... The tubes would need to be really well insulated and heated and then what about GRAVITY... Antarctica does conform to the effects of gravity, being a continent on Earth.
Excellent video, loved the Babylon 5 reference,,keep up the good work. It reminds of the Centauri meeting the humans the first time and telling them how the galaxy works and the Centauri's accomplishments.
I love how this guy acts like an engineer, but seems to know little about engineering and physics. That title is earned, not given. I laughed the first time I watched this because I could have designed it better 20 years ago in my first year as an engineering student. I applaud him for dreaming big, but there are so many hurdles to overcome to do this. The power generation to construct this would be quite vast and require ridiculous amounts of solar panels alone. Even with 100 starships feeding this thing materials nonstop, it would still take insane amounts of resource and time to complete. A six month timeframe is a bit laughable, if this thing was constructed over 10-20 years it would still be impressive. He really needs to start much smaller and buildup some credibility, then expand as technology and resources improve. As they say, Rome wasn't built in a day (or six months....). I think his heart is in the right place, but I doubt this will ever go past CGI and dreaming unless some major powers at be decide it needs to be done. Please don't send him money (PDSHM).
The entire project is a scam. And this won't go past CGI because of the issues with operating a "coriolis" type station in space. The idea has been around for over 60 years, yet there are reasons no country has attempted to build one.
I applaud animal rights vegetarian groups and antinatalist groups for dreaming big, but also taking practical action to maximize their cause. I applaud age-reversing technologists like Aubrey de Grey for thinking big. I applaud Green Party and Transhumanist Party and Marxist /Socialist Party leaders for thinking and acting big. I applaud Ralph Nader for thinking big: going for the White House.
"He really needs to start much smaller and buildup some credibility" In that case people wouldn't have given him more than 1 million and I have a strong feeling that's his whole point...
@@Limpi43 For note, 1 million does not cover even *one* launch with a small satellite. It is impossible to even *start* this project with this small budget. 1 billion could be potentially something for a small start. ISS cost some 100-150 billion depending on whom you ask.
@@Deebz270 Nah. He was totally on board with it. Go watch some of the videos. He's really, really big on colonizing and exploring space. Tyson was a total shill. Even if he wasn't, he still discredits himself by taking money and peddling things he knows are false.
@@markweatherill Nah, he was laughing along with Colbert who was jabbing at it since that's his job, buuuut.... ruclips.net/video/v9IztZpE0Lo/видео.html Tyson is a pretty dogmatic and partisan, including being on the wrong side of COVID when he was following "the science" and not the science. There's no doubt he knows astrophysics like few others, but he quickly gets over his head when he takes on things outside his wheelhouse. It's the hubris of smart people which makes them especially susceptible to the Dunning-Kruger effect.
This guy basically wants to build the "Magallanica" from Gundam. A machine that builds space colonies. Really, if you read the one paragraph of info about it on the Gundam wiki, it's more well thought out than this thing.
Actually, the machine he is claiming to have 'designed' is based on the Japanese method of building skyscrapers - they build the top floor first and keep jacking it up, so material never needs to be moved upward - all the work is done at ground level. But the machines required for moving everything around (and up) remind me a LOT of what this guy is talking about - look up a video. This is just some basic, factory-level robotics you can see almost anywhere.
To build and maintain a torus or o'neill cylinder type space station big enough for the artificial gravity effect to be practical would require the resources of a post-scarcity, almost type-II civilization. It just doesn't make any sense from a mass/payload perspective. What would make sense is a rotating tether with a habitat attached to one end and an equipment/service module attached the other, each rotating around a common center of gravity. A fraction of the mass for the same effect and you could increase the length of the tether, and hence the radius of the rotation, to achieve Earth-like gravity at both ends without the need to build a MASSIVE ring.
I am always impressed by these cons. Regardless of how easily transparent their deception is, provided that appearances conforms with the prevalent fantasies of the intended marks, they always manage to fundraise successfully. The "Star War" initiative, in Reagan times, is perhaps the model used by the various Sci-fi vapourware sellers we have seen since. There is a point when one should ask oneself if depriving fools of their hard-earned or otherwise accumulated resources would not, at the end, be of benefit to all because con artists are (hopefully) themselves generally less prone to fall for others of their kind. Crazy dictators start their career by peddling, in different guises, to the same audiences...
I'm an aerospace engineer and did my degree during the Reagan "Star Wars" era. Its hard to describe the way money was being spent other than bonkers. In my final year when we did a couple of high level classes that also had post grad students in them a couple of those guys were SW funded. As they were postgrads they also had to do term papers and presentations. One class I did was space craft dynamics (damn seriously hard stuff) but the post grad guys did some amazing stuff. One guy was doing the dynamics of rail guns (this was 86/87) and another focusing mirror systems for laser batteries. It was fairly obvious that most of it was bonkers but the money was being delivered by dump truck. But then the Soviets crashed in 88/89 and the whole show vanished. At one point my academic advisor called it "damn peace" because all of his funding had vanished. What people had failed to realise was Reagan spent about 20 years of research funding in about 4 years. But it did scare Moscow enough that they also went on a spending spree and it was what ended up bankrupting them which effectively ended the cold war.
@@superchuck3259 Yeah you are partly right, but the Russians developed that stuff well after Reagans Star Wars had ended. But a couple of things did come out of Star Wars like the Patriot anti-missile system. The Russian response is the Kh-47M2 Kinzhal which we've seen in Ukraine. The Russians are sort of lucky. They already had the Mig-31 which can not only fly very high (up to 70,000ft) but also very fast when its up that high (M2.8). How high they are for launch is unknown. Higher means less air density which means less drag. Altitude also helps getting up to those speeds as you are going downhill. Irrespective of everything at those speeds its bound to have serious ground & bunker penetration. Its pretty simple what the Russians did. Make seriously fast air to surface missile that's damn hard to respond to. Just don't be surprised there's stuff in the sales pitch that's not true.
Well space stations also have a serious problem in that they go through night and day cycles dozens of times a day... that heats and cools structures to a point where right now the ISS is likely partially held together with bubblegum and superglue. So forget about flexing... just hot and cold will result in microfractures.
What we do need is a space elevator equivalent. Fighting the atmosphere is ~90% of the energy cost of launching a rocket, with the destruction of the segments being ~40% of the total monetary cost and the other 60% being the fuel.
I like the idea of a kilometers long rail gun with the muzzle at high altitude. That could save maybe 2/3 of the launch cost. It would be safer and much more practicle than the Yeetmeister 9000 that is the so-called Spin Launch system.
6:22 so for a decade John has been designing stuff for space? Guess what! Me to! I've been sensible to keep my designs on paper or in Kerbal or other games because that's easier and space is very hard.
The guy spent more time on acronyms than his concepts. He's going to build a space station the same way Ironman's suit appears out of nowhere: CGI magic.
Can you confirm if that PO box is like a multi dimensional space that can fit a whole universe inside or at least a space rocket? I want to invest in his company but I'm afraid it's a scam.
I was crying with laughter when I first saw the Gateway video a week ago. This has just made me spit my beer out! 😂😂 Love graphic of the PAX leaving the shuttle and tumbling into the space station.
"For almost a decade, I have been designing space construction machines, space ports and drones to help form a space construction industry."
Neat. So has my nephew, with his space legos. He is almost ready to start playing Space Engineers.
Aww!! Sweeet legos!
Please keep the poor little guy away from the spiders... lol
I made a mod in space engineers! so clearly that means I would be able to make us a space faring species, I can even make cgi models myself :O big proof!
Send me millions, and I can make my CGI/blender models into reality!
because as they say, if you can cgi it, you can be-gi it (get it, cuz it would "be" in existence or something)
Playing with legos requires logical thinking, 3d space awareness and structural integrity understandings, your nephew is years ahead of this VERA space station guy.
That might ironically make him closer than this guy. All great people were dreaming children once upon a time.
That address isn't a "UPS Store", it's the Ultimate Planetary Substation.
Usual Prerendered Scam
Yes, and this UPS does delivery within earth only!
DRINK!
And this is obviously another VWP: Vapor-Ware Project.
(removes cap) well done, guv. Top drawer.
I think the funniest part is the space robots that don't exist giving hand signals instead of just "beaming" the information to each other across the wifi lol
Wifi? Don't you mean starlink?
@@poeticsilence047 Starlink? Don't you mean radio?
that's just in case the WiFi goes down obviously, amazing foresight!
@@jcd-k2s But you can throw one hell of a laser show.
I am going with they are dancing with joy that the plan to Destroy All Humans is proceeding apace.
“For almost a decade, I have been designing space construction machines, space ports and drones to help form a space construction industry.”
Translation: “I’ve sunk over 100+ hours into Kerbal Space Program & think I’m a rocket scientist now. You can trust me on this.”
To be fair, ksp is a pretty good fuckin way to learn orbital mechanics
Actually. Hes only been dreaming about playing kerbal space program.
He foesnt actually own a computer.
Considering hes asking other people yo do graphics...
I play ksp and even I know you build station modules on kerbin then launch them into orbit
*I’ve sunk over 100+ hours into Kerbal Space Program & think* I'd end up summoning an elder god if I were ever put in charge of any construction project.
Not to brag, but I have 400 hours in KSP.
I think I'm going to have to take up drinking.
I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue…
Well that's good because I'm developing piss beer for a lucrative career on the space station. The main ingredient is piss.
@EEVblog Already there buddy 🍺
Alcohol is always the solution.
Adam Something put out a response to your electric bus video.
Might want to check it out, he addressed a lot of what you brought up!
Give this guy credit - for the cost of a single mailbox at a UPS store, some embroidered shirts, some pitch videos and some early 90’s graphics rendering of the docking sequence from 2001 a Space Odyssey, he’s raised 1 million dollars.
..probably you don't know how much scammy NFT projects are cashing out millions for WAAAY less than the effort of this guy
@@david-3172 Still, give credit where credit is due. I'm still only 1% towards that 1 million dollars, as are most of its viewers.
scamming dumb people isn't that hard, you just need to be a sack of shite with no morals. Why would that give this scam a pass
@@Winnetou17 probably because they have some form of self-respect and morality
I give the fools who gave any money much more discredit then I do giving someone credit for just using the same old snake oil selling tactics on newer bullshit.
In reference to Babylon 5: the first season CGI was rendered on a farm of Commodore Amiga 2000’s. Running 25Mhz 68040 accelerators, and 32 Megabytes of RAM; each frame took ~45 minutes to render. Nowadays we can render far higher quality graphics in real-time, but back in the day, Foundation Imaging’s work on Babylon 5 was pretty groundbreaking, even if the show was, well, a bit “uneven”.
B5 ia great! Don't give me that 'uneven'... 😅
Why would they use Amigas (not that they weren't great machines) when far more advanced hardware like the Sun Microsystems computers were specially built for graphics and rendering like that?
I'm not really a computer person, but I did do some engineering work around that time on them and they were truly incredible.
@@user-zb9lv3gh8s Newtek Lightwave and Toaster hardware landed on the Amiga before other platforms, and that’s what Foundation Imaging primarily used. Later in Season 2 (and beyond) they moved to Lightwave on Windows NT running on a mix of x86 and Alpha hardware.
If nothing else, this highlights the need for more stringent mental health checks for commercial pilots.
Still, the fact that they built a vibrator that big is pretty impressive.
@@AlcoholicBoredom it actually makes me jealous, thought I was girthy....
At least he believes in space and isn't a flerfer
@@tedferkin is that really your standard for respect bro come on man. have some real standards
literally went to his engineers and said make my rockets pointier
and the fact that he admits this regularly somehow doesn't tip people off to the fact that he's not nearly as smart as everyone thinks he is the fact that he didn't make them pointier himself at the very least
@@tedferkin Do you stand with the neofascist Ukraine govt that's been shelling it's own citizens? Did you EVER investigate the whole DOnbass thing going on for 8 years? Did you even CARE about Ukraine before February? I did. And I cared for both sides. Just, the one side pretends it's not been committing genocide on ethnic others inside their borders which kinda bugs me. Look up the Azov Batallion. And figure out why Ukraine shells Donbass, but Spain doesn't shell Barcelona. Can you spot the differences, can you justify it? Would you flag for Spain had it been shelling Barcelona for 8 years when France or Italy would finally step in to stop it? Poor Spain, just let them do their their thing, peace man!? Do you flag for Israel when they bomb the shit out of Gaza, do you flag for Saudi Arabia when they totally level all of Yemen?
Why the actual heck are you flagging for Ukraine? Do you consult an energy company there or something?
For my engineering degree I had to take an ethics course to learn it was unethical to call myself an engineer without all the things that make a person an engineer. Seems to me I should have never taken the class, I could be calling myself anything I wanted before, just like this guy.
Its 2022 - you can be whatever you want so long as you 'identify' as that thing. You can even get people in trouble if they disagree with you.
@@marktaylor6553 nope. Had a cop defend my right to call someone a fucking retard just last week.
@@Cpt.BEARDless I'm not sure how I see how that pertains to what I said. Now, if HE identified as a effing R=-tard, and you said he wasn't, then you'd be in the wrong. People are allowed to 'pretend' to be whatever they want... thats why I call this the 'Barney' generation. Nobody learned how to adult.
Here's the big mistake 99% of these people make (and I probably shouldn't be teaching them in a public forum) - its only illegal if they truly feel threatened by your words or actions. Them calling the cops and standing their WAITING for the cops while they glare at you destroys the basis of that legal argument.
@@marktaylor6553 that last part actuslly made me realize WHY the officer chose to stand up for me vs the other guy. I was somewhat confused at first that he wasnt telling me off
Yup, I didn't take ethics in college and now I row as the Emperor of Mankind...
This VERA guy reminds me of someone I knew who declared himself to be an 'Ideas Man'. He would prance around the office throwing out ridiculously complex and unrealistic ideas and vague plans for a new project. When someone asked how it was to be accomplished, he would respond with a snort 'I'm just the Ideas Guy. It's your job to make it happen!' The projects wouldn't pass the first hurdle, and he would think everyone around him was incompetent.
Just have to get MIT or NASA to figure out if our ideas would work!
Funny, I think I worked for the same guy for awhile. It's real easy to prance around and be the Idea Fairy when you don't have to do any of it.
@@Skank_and_Gutterboy Idea Fairy! lol
@@Skank_and_Gutterboy We have a guy like that at work, but on a small scale. He will sketch up a design for a pump-set to sit on, call for angle iron to build the whole thing, and then fight me when I tell him he just designed a steel bench with legs like Bambie. I have coined the term "welders choice" for most of the changes I make, which is pretty much everything other than the critical dimensions.
Wasn't that guy Elon... Something...
Being an actual engineer these types of people really really get on my nerves. This is pseudo-engineering and its frustrating that the general public falls for it and gives money to it.
Well they didn't give you any money because you keep saying it can't be done and he says he can do it!
It's all magic to most people.
@@xidarian But He is right to ask critical questions. With basic grasp of technical aspect one can see there is much wishfull thinking and not so much of proper design included.
Back of an envelope calculations proves this outer torus will weight in between 8 to 10 thousands metric tonnes. Currently we have capabilities to deliver under 50T per lunch, with lunch systems for 90-100T scheduled in next decade. I will leave open the questions of who, for what monet, and in what timeline will proviede such quantity of materials to the orbit.
@@xidarian I see what you did there. You earned a like!
@@szewc0svd 50T is a LOT to spend on a lunch. Better be HUGE portions and allow you to take a lot of that home in a gigantic doggie bag.
I'd be so pissed if I patented the 2001: A space oddyssey Orbital station incl. assembly yard and then the $150 animation gig on fiverr gets the centrifugal forces wrong. Hard to find professionals these days.
The animated people "falling" into the "spaceship" thing was gold. pure gold.
It's a bit like watching the moon rover, back in the 60s unbelievable.
26:08 : Welder's perspective here, that type of welding is called intermittent welding, and it's primarily used to minimize heat distortion. Welds shrink as they cool, and can warp the metal, that warping is ESPECIALLY difficult to control in sheet metal fabrication, and you almost never want to weld more than the bare minimum where you can. Not defending musk or starship, but the welders know what they're doing.
It is definitely not the welder's fault it was crushed, but the overall design is bad. The welders just do their job, it is not their job to calculate the forces in the tank and the resistence of that pipe.
It was an error in pressurization. The differential between inside the tank and inside the pipe was too large. It is the type of error that you make an automated alert to inform of the pressure differential getting out of range.
It has been repaired and pressure tested.
pretty sure those ribs are useless as they're not stable (as seen by them zig-zagging and giving way) i think having them on the inside of the pipe would've been better but restricted flow, or just have reinforcements going through the middle.
of maybe they could've looked up how they did it in previous designs, pretty sure the patent on the Saturn V is expired by now.
don't know why i wrote all this, welding is fucking awesome btw.
I'll defend Musk & SpaceX, not that they need it. Breaking prototypes is called "success". Starship will certainly succeed, just as Falcon has.
@@FlorinArjocu How is the overall design of the fuel downcomer pipe "bad"? What alternative design do you recommend? SpaceX blows them up until they succeed. I wish I was an angel investor in that company!
26:10 the stitch-welding is there to reduce the thermal stress the shrinking of the hot but solidified fresh weld induces. The gaps are there to relief. There is also a weakening of the material, we try to produce a lot of stuff by using sheet metal not only because it is easy to calculate but also because the rolling process (and heat treating) induces stresses we want, and the heating removes those stresses around the weld by glowing and induces nwe ones. This is why we rivet aircraft, like the titanic.
What interests me tho, is we know how to make pipes that dont fail. Gas, oil, water.. everthing goes thro pipes. Then spaceX says, we need a pipe, this is the pressure, this is the weight target, lets redesign the tube. And they failed. They failed making a tube.. in a rocket. A tube should not fail. They tried to redesign a tube to meet a spec, and failed. 👍
Literally whenever a company like this comes out, if the first part of their presentation isn't on how they will tackle the energy requirements to construct their infrastructure, they are crackpots...
How would one handle the energy needs? Heck, what are the energy needs? These people never say. Would the first step be assembling large solar farms in space to support the rest of the project? Or, are we talking lugging nuclear reactors into orbit?
He got me in the opening sequence: "I am going to revolutionize..."
literally there is no reason at all trying to construct thing in space where you can construct them on earth and just send them to space for quick "snap-on" assembling like what they been doing for ISS for the past 30 yrs.
@@tarotaro6933 I could see there being a reason--resources. Suppose that, by some miracle, we get mining operations started elsewhere, away from Earth. It would be ridiculous to drag all of that metal down to Earth for processing. Then, it might be good to have some sort of factory set up in space. Of course, this is a bit like trying to invent a railroad before the steam engine even comes into existence; science fiction on a good day, fantasy most of the time.
@@ih9649 that's just something straight out of sci-fi. In fact despite the idea of building a space smelt facility is vastly used in many sci-fi book and movie, but in reality it is very unpractical.
First, most space astral objects are form with lighter element such as gas/water, it is actually pretty rare to find a astral objects besides a planet of course.
Second, if you lucky enough to find let say a astral objects that has the minerals deposit you were looking for, how do you get that astral objects to shift it's current orbit to your destination orbit?
Third, it requires many ingredients to make just one ton of simple industy (not aerospace grade, that will be even harder) grade steel. Just having one or two kind of ingredients is not gonna save any payload because you need to ship the rest of needed material to complete the smelting. (you need 10ton of coal, 4 ton of iron, 1 ton of limestone in general for 1 ton of steel, so unless you have all of this resource in space, you won't be saving any payloads at all)
Fourth, let say magically you are able to find all the needed materials to do such smelting in space. You still need one very important factor, that's oxygen. It requires about 30-50kg of pure oxygen to smelting one ton of steel.
And as we all know, oxygen is a very rare resources in space that you are likely to not find anywhere else besides earth. So just by shipping those oxygen to the space smelting facility, that alone will make the whole operation unpractical.
If this dude's for real then I've been designing space ships, space stations and orbital construction facilities on the inside of my binders since the 3rd grade...
you got it. Critical thinking allows you to see both sides of the coin. Autists like him only see the side that gets them to overstim and that's good enough for them. Tricking their own brains into getting doped on their own hormones, endorphins, dopamine, etc.
3rd grade? PSHHH I've been exploring mars with legos since pre-k
@@KingLegendary1 Sir. I would like to fund your kickstarter IMMEDIATELY!
@@Raaanch lol
Same here. Lol
Maybe you mentioned it and I missed it, but there is a HUGE difference between building a rectangular structure and a torus, that he seems to overlook. You can't use a standard size for anything! He seems to think you can shoot up an Ikea set and have the gesturing robots figure it out. But there are quite a bit more logistics involved...
Not if you make the torus out of quadrillions of rectangular nanostructures.
@@BillyViBritannia if you put it like that it does sound simple
Imagine a PO box on VERA, a combined LGA and MGA, built by CVGs using RSCA and GSTEL, also known as CDRUM, and VSTEL, including ERVs, that uses STVs and BSTVs controlled by OCCs to deliver mail.
Drink!
I recognize: 'Land Grid Array' and 'Endogenous RetroVirus'.
Hiccup !
😂
PMSL
let's open a bottle :)))))
Great dissection of this, and thanks for the shout out!
So, to keep things straight, although this guy still owns the vast majority of shares of Orbital Assembly Corporation (the fund-raising frames), this project would be in COMPETITION with what OAC is doing.
He's now operating at least TWO scams.
I’m going to buy stock in the Union Aerospace Corporation instead. I have a good feeling about them.
@@AlcoholicBoredom I think your investment is doomed.
@@AlcoholicBoredom I definitely think Hell power is the way of future.
I bought the NFT of the spacestation. I own it now.
@@gavros9636 Argon energy*
thanks for the B5 shout outs!
Just to defend old school sci-fi, I personally don't care if the graphics are crazy, if the characters and stories are good. This is why 60s outer limits still holds up
That’s the thing with sci-fi. It is about testing our narratives in new environment. The quality of the matte painting is irrelevant to the story being told. As long as it sells that it is a new environment and set it’s rules.
Older sci-fi ages nice. Much more than action films due to the focus being the storytelling. Now this shit they are trying to sell as real life. Ugh
Forbidden Planet is still a classic, despite its dated visuals, and holds up even today, 66 years later.
Babylon 5 kinda reminds me of the graphics you'd see in an old video game cutscene and I don't mind tbh, I kinda like it
Depends really.
Bad graphics can hurt a show especially if there are a lot of them, but otherwise sci-fi is just drama in space.
Obviously a newer audience accustomed to more advanced graphics might not be as impressed.
Sexy cat women from the moon...I mean it doesn't hold up. But it's worth a drunken watch at 3 am to go
"Wait this isn't porn....or is it....?"
And once again, there is no actual tech being shown off here. Not even in miniature or a rough mock-up for demonstration purposes. We have no evidence that this man can even change a tire, yet we're expected to believe that he's already got it all figured out and the only thing holding us back from becoming a space-faring species is that we haven't given this guy money yet? Please.
Aren't there supposed to be laws against false advertising and scamming people out of millions?
If there were laws about false advertising and scamming people out of millions Elon Musk would be in prison not about to buy Twitter.
The Apollo program accomplished more in any 6 month span that these fruit-baskets have in 13 years. Oh, that's right, they make the rules. Making a computer presentation = accomplishing work
No says Herbalife and co
Hey, he has a degree in Chinese history don’t you know…
@@Penfold101 To be fair, the chinese did create rocket technology.
You forgot to comment on the best part of the CGI video at 3:30, a robot doing nothing else other than waving its hands to communicate with impossibly flying drones that apparently can't position the thing itself... Truly wonderful.
i would like to point out that their CG spacestation is as generic as it gets, i think designs like that date to around ww2. And mesh like structure pose massive problems , they are probably the least viable methods for constructing something thats intended to be inhabited in space, how are you even gonna setup bulkheads in case of a breach? This has integriy problems on the same level as fucking hyperloop and amature people can point them out
Its just a scam guy making vids of what people would like to see... so it has to have things people already have in their heads. But he will go on to point out how obviously those short sighted aerospace engineers can't see his genius and he needs to erm... to crowdfund? Am I right? I haven't watched it past the first second... cos... well I can see what is going to transpire.
Hey, I can answer one of these questions!
In a modular design you could have all modules be their own isolated system, meaning they don't need to rely on other modules, wait, you're saying he's just putting structural beams together?
ah.
ok.
Not trying to be a spelling Nazi but just wanted to suggest you correct your typo on the word amateur. Was quite an ironic place for a mistake. :)
@@VestigialHead Maybe he means Armature People aka androids. Did you consider that…noooooooooooo.
You misspelled "immature" people.
I can forgive the images not showing solar panels, and the ships not having rcs thrusters, Those are small and not needed to show the concept. The fact that nothing exists, the robots being needlessly humanoid, the disregard for gravity, and the million little and not so little lies, that's what makes the thing so painful to watch.
The thing about CGI missing solar panels or thrusters is that it highlights how there is no actual plan, no actual prototype, no anything. Otherwise, they'd only need to copy it and so have all the major parts drawn.
At least his "robot" wasn't a dancer in Spandex
I'd say though solar panels and heat exchangers are kinda fundamental to the operation of the unit. I do agree the RCS (drink!) thrusters aren't needed to imply the idea.
I am an aerospace engineer and that's one of the better comments in this menagerie of social media shitfuckery.
I'm mostly a fan of thunderf00t and what he exposes but I don't like his cheap shots at Gwynne Shotwell. He's always linking her to Elon's fantasies which isn't exactly fair. Yes she works for a clown, but thunderf00t needs to separate Falcon (& Crew Dragon) from Elon's fantasies of Starship & Mars. What he should be comparing Falcon & Crew Dragon to is Boeing's Starliner, which isn't easy because it hasn't flown a single successful mission and we don't know the costs.
Thunderf00t mentions the Falcon & Crew Dragon at $60-70 million and that's a damn sight better than the space shuttle's $450million, which it was costing at the end. I've seen costs as high as $90 million for a single seat on Soyuz, but also closer to $20 million (for Denis Tito in 2001). So 4 Astronauts to the ISS for $70million is getting back to and under the 2001 Soyuz costs. *THAT'S an IMPROVEMENT.*
Plus if you look at what she actually says there's nothing wrong technically with it. Reusable wont be that great until the usability is closer to a jet plane. I don't think it will ever get there with current materials and technology because your comparing something that goes into orbit, does 7km/s and then flies back down at Mach 20 reaching temperatures of several 1000 deg.C and the other just doesn't do that.
IS tunderf00t 100% right on Gateway, John Blincow and Elon Musk? YEAH - ABSOLUTELY.
IS he misrepresenting Gwynne Shotwell and what has been achieved with Falcon & Crew Dragon? Yeah, because he's linking that program to Elon & Starship instead of comparing it to Boeing Starliner or Soyuz.
(You sit there in *forgivness* while everyone else got up first and walked away, while the presintation was still running).
5:03 I learned about this issue well over a decade ago, when I realized that the centrifugal force would have a strong "uphill/downhill" component to it's force. The solution I envision is to use a design a lot like those Incan layered mountain farms, and slant it so instead of a "flat" ring with sideways gravity, it's instead a series of steps that point into the rotation. It's not a Halo Ring, but it could make flat ground in space and also make reality of stairs that endlessly go down or up and still connect back at the original point.
Let us completely ignore that to generate 1G on the outer ring requires a radius of at least 1-kilometre so that Coriolis forces won't prevent human beings from functioning. Descending from the centre to the outer ring in an elevator feels like you are constantly doing back flips. Walking axle-wise will result in falls. Walking spinward or antispinward would be OK, until you tried to change direction.
Stanley Kubrick did many amazing things - but for The Discovery in 2001, the simple fact of the matter is that if you put a person in such a small centrifuge it would be impossible for them to function while inside it. They would constantly be disoriented and falling over, and vomiting everywhere.
The studies which have revealed this information are rock solid.
Arthur C. Clark (co-)wrote _2001,_ and he was one of the greatest sci-fi authors ever! He can't have been wrong! /sarc
We don't actually know how big a space station needs to be. All of our experience so far has been in spinning rooms on earth with real gravity and "artificial gravity" at right angles to each other. Spin calc makes some guesses based on estimates by others, but most (not all) people can probably tolerate a smaller spinning station. There are even people who can move around on a gravitron carnival ride without significant disorientation.
@@opcn18 Yeah. I'd also add that you may not need to generate 1G for a system to be useful. Just a quarter G might be enough to prevent a lot of the health issues that come from weightlessness. Another idea is to spin the system up while everybody is asleep to closer to 1G, then spin it down while people are up and moving around to a quarter G or less.
@@sunspot42 If it takes propellant to spin up and down that idea can't go anywhere. If reaction wheels are somehow used maybe. Gravity is most useful when you are awake to work against it. You want the body under concentrated loads which you don't get while you are sleeping.
@@opcn18 I'm talking small structures, like the Discovery in 2001. Those would be electrically spun with motors.
We don't know when gravity is most useful for preventing the health issues that come with weightlessness - cranking up the artificial gravity during sleep might be sufficient, and would avoid the issues cased by spinning a small structure too quickly for astronauts trying to move about.
Of course, you'd also need some way to stop the spin relatively rapidly in an emergency, so astronauts could move about safely.
I think it's time to pick up 3D modelling, with guys like these around, it seems really lucrative.
Sorry. It's not lucrative, He wants people to donate their time.
@@skpilot7More like he rather keep his raised funds than spend any more of it on 3D modelers
When I first saw "2001: A space Odyssey" back in 1972; I always though that having a rotating square hanger in the middle of the rotating space station was a bit odd. In the book the docking port was a central hub rotating in the opposite direction of the spin of the station to which the shuttle would come along side and dock. None of that having to spin the shuttle to match the rotation of the hanger before going in as seen in the movie. And as debunked here. Someone in the SFX team got it wrong back in the mid-60s.
Now did I hear correctly, people are going to WALK along the access tubes from the centre of the station to the outer ring? Doesn't he mean FALL? At least in 2001 they got that bit right, and had Heywood Floyd in an elevator that you sat in, as it ran down the access tubes to the rim; the centre of the station being up in relation to the outer ring.
Having a rotating central hub in the middle would be pretty complicated. You'd need bearings, seals and air locks and all sorts of things.
And you'd need to match the relative motion of the shuttle to that if the landing bay thing regardless of whether it's rotating relative to the rim. There is no still or level in space.
The other thing is - just put the landing bay at the bottom of the central hub so there is at least a little bit of 'gravity'.
3:00 A little bit of irony... "How is this going to weld anything?" In fact, STOPPING metals from spontaneously welding themselves together is a real problem in space. Without any oxidation, clean flat metal surfaces will spontaneously self-weld in space, making things which should not be stuck together suddenly become fused. This has been a cause of failures in the past. But of course, prompting and controlling that sort of 'accidental' welding on a large scale is not feasible.
So next year we have the business idea of welding stuff in space for free without using expensive welding equipment! Imaging all the money you can save on gas bottles and ... ;)
tbf, the first man-made explosion was an accident, and it led us to rockets going to space.
Cold welding needn't be accidental.
I don't want to go anywhere where duct tape and WD-40 can't fix most problems.
@@paulmurgatroyd6372 - You forgot the good old clawhammer... ;)
"When in doubt, build space station"
-Tsun Zu, Art of Scam
I worked on a lot of Sci-fi back in the day. Babylon 5 CG was done in Lightwave. An interesting software, that became obsolete quickly, despite having cutting edge features. The workflow was too unique against Maya, 3DS, XSI. Only package where the Y axis pointed down, instead of up.
I've been making spaceships in Sketchup for the better part of a decade now and then. Guess that means I'm qualified to start my own space-tourism-industry company.
Dont delay, talk to Elon today!
what is there to tour in space tho
@@blackroberts6290 Zero gee.
Look, Elon! No Bevels!
You are qualified to work to for free for that guy. Congratulations 🎉
Thunderfoot taught me; though I do not hold a high level degree, I can tell people I invented stuff, use buzzwords, make a cool computer animated video and get people to give me money. It's insane! Maybe thinking about a solar railway hyper tunnel that produces water, in space.
It actually creates water in space so you can put an underwater tunnel in the water, allowing you to put your solar powered roadway inside the tunnel, finally allowing your non robot Tesla taxis to drive you 100m across your water world space park hotel in space :-)
A water producing solar railway hyper tunnel in space?! Shut up and take my money!!
Hang on.. that's EXACTLY what Thunderf00t does! And you probably DO give him money! Hilarious!
@@crocodile2006 Lmao troll harder. Another salty elon cultist with nothing better to do than whine.
Or Maybe a moon rover . 🤣
There’s such a fine line between fantasist and scammer.
Thumbs up for Babylon 5 alone, still one of my favourite shows.
Thunder00t: references Babylon 5 and Everglow in the same video
the expanse
The Bad Guys and their ships were awesome. By the way the anime Strike Witches appears to draw inspiration from those spaceships
Ahhh Babylon 5 ... got to remember this was rendered on an Amiga with a 40Mhz processor and 32MB of RAM (well, 16 of them)
Pretty amazing for the time.
Was browsing the comments looking to see if I needed to post that 😄 just to add a 30 second clip took 2-3 days to render on the Amiga 2000 even with an accelerator.
@@dwayne_dibley Dwayne Dibley?!
That’s honestly pretty wild that they did that on a production scale. Must have taken an army of designers.
@@Flumphinator The entire company was 16 people from what I remember.
*edit Employees: 25
@@njones420 must have been a real trip to be part of that crew. The early days of CG are so fascinating.
8:08 - "Is this a piece of your brain?"
Great line, Basil... 😁
Is this the proposed space station that'll sit in low orbit around Omicron Persei 8?
As long as there is a Hip Joint and a Fishy Joes.
@our hero Reported to RUclips as commercial spam.
Only if Lrrrr, Ruler of Omicron Persei 8, will allow it.
My man just wants to create cg space stations for the rest of his life, might as well apply to the star citizen dev team :D
Tv screens for what you are seeing outside. Genius!
Finally a vid as a professional welder i can give my two cents on.
Yes designing a welder without a power source is fucking stupid.
Thank you. I never would have guessed.
What about in space?
@@Xvladin stupid but now its in space.
@@sharkexpert12 can't you just push two pieces of metal together to get them to fuse in space? As long as it's not oxidized though
"Let me fix that for you..." the shuttle disembarkation sequence ruptured my internals with laughter! I'm just gobsmacked at the level of nonsense Blincow just spews forth and he's been campaigning for a decade. This is Extreme Picard Facepalming. Really enjoyed this vid!
The shuttle looks like a passenger version of the Dream Chaser spaceplane. The first cargo version of which might fly sometime next year. Assuming the Vulcan Centaur rocket is ready.
That was indeed pretty funny. 😂
I just love those perfect timed movie clips. "Are you like a crazy person?"
It's funny how the "Coriolis" space stations in the space flight simulator game _Elite: Dangerous_ have more reasonable implementation of artificial gravity than this concept. The station rotates and you fly in through a port in the pole. You then land on the interior wall of the rotating station. Gravity is low in the hangar but increases when you go downstairs away from the axis of rotation.
docking was always fun in ED, as long as you could actually find which pad was lit up for you :'D The scale of those stations was much more accurate as well, I dont know the exact numbers but those spinny stations this company is making (err, rendering) look like theyre only a few hundred meters wide at the most. At that size I would think the thing would need to be spinning incredibly fast to create 1G on the outer ring, and it's so small that there would be quite a large difference in the gravity at your feet and the gravity at your head. I dont think it would be very comfortable.
@@SpydersByte It's also fun to pull off some advanced newtonian maneuvers during docking when you disable flight assist. You can essentially make handbrake turns in space.
@@Plutonia001 yea I usually keep flight assist off, I grew up playing JumpGate which was an old space mmo that used a newtonian engine with no flight assist systems. It led to a lot of drift circling in PvP, and some really fun docking maneuvers. The docking port on the stations was just barely larger than the size of most ships so getting the vector exactly right, flying in at max speed, and then doing the turn-and-burn to slow yourself, would lead to you docking facing "backward" relative to the port. You could only dock at a specific max speed so timing the TnB so that you just barely got under that speed right before you docked was the sign of a true master :D Im sure you can imagine that in pvp last second speed docking was very important. Such a good game that was. I miss it :'(
@@SpydersByte look like theyre only a few hundred meters wide at the most. At that size I would think the thing would need to be spinning incredibly fast to create 1G
50 meter radius 1g 4.23rpm. 100 m radius 2.99 rpm.
It is any good?, It doesn't have possitive reviews on Steam. I actually have it but never played.
Thunderf00t should switch it up for once and make a video explaining why something WILL work.
Why? Things that will work tend to actually become real.
we're all waiting for some thing, not just him, too much time wasted on bull shieser rather then real solid engineering.
watch his other channel
I used to love a thunderf00t upload, I loved the deep insights into nuclear and physical science, sadly I find the last year or so of videos sounding like a child whining.. and come away either part way through a video or feeling I've lost something seeing it to completion.
Mars. Helicopter.
Love that random EVERGLOW appearance here at 14:34 😂😂
A few years ago I was working in an Air Force program office. Another organization asked us to oversee the design, build, and launch of communications satellite to support some experiment they were doing. We had no experience with satellites; our only involvement was that we'd paid for the development of the radio they were going to use.
So we have this new PM, a reservist major who'd decided to go back to active duty, and she's managing this program like a cult leader. All of a sudden the entire branch is assigned to her IPT, and her IPT meetings were just her telling us what she'd done over the past week. No one was allowed to attend meetings with the partner org or the contractor except her and the contracting officer.
At one point someone brought up the need for a risk assessment and she blew up, going into a rant about how sick she was sick of all the "negative talk" when we're the best and "that's why we're going to have this satellite launched in 18 months when the experts say it'll be 36". We were 2 months into those 18 and didn't yet have a contract awarded.
This reminds me of that.
Oh, the satellite never launched and the PM got an award.
Failed To Achieve gold star?
@@fedos "The PM got an award"
The rest of the story is crazy, but I know a joke when I see one.
@@ericgolightly8450 Awards in the military are BS. You write up that so and so led a team of so many people on a project worth so many dollars, don't mention that they didn't meet the budget or schedule, and if the numbers are larger than anyone else's you get a nice little trophy.
The idea of building stuff in space could probably work even with today's technology... but maybe start with building something small and have your space station as the stretch goal you want to reach in a few decades.
Maybe start with building a satellite, telescope, or some remote-controlled laboratory first.
Or start by building a station conventionally, then add a construction module, some more hands and stuff
Or literally just make ONE weld bead in space? It's actually a tough problem without convective cooling.
But it doesn't really have that marketing catch does it?
The problem remains the cost and limited tonnage that can be shipped to LEO. If that be over come, machines might well be able to fabricate the outer shell of the structures, but the intricate detail of the interior would ultimately require large numbers of people just like on modern ships and offshore Oil structures as well as the construction of specialist equipment that needs to go inside. That really requires a pressurised space dock yard. Of course that requires a large habitat.
The nearest thing we've built to actual spaceships are nuclear powered submarines, that cost over $1 billion each and built by highly specialised ship builders. I think its much more realistic to build such structures on the moon assuming that the moon can also supply all of basis raw materials (including food, fuel, oxygen, power generation) at the necessary levels to sustain the 1000+ strong work force. Even then all of the specialist equipment would need to be built and shipped from earth.
Building these things on earth is already incredibly hard, all welds and seals need to be absolutely perfect.
Repairing them in space is something we have experience with, and it is excrutiatingly difficult to even do basic welds.
Building things in space? Its just going to make these things even more expensive and difficult. There is a good reason we build satellites on the ground.
Thunderfoot busted videos are one of my favourite things on the internet and somehow I missed this banger when it came out. Was marked played and I’ve never seen it. Must have dozed off in the middle of a queue or something.
This space station was in Frontier II: Elite on the Amiga 500.
At least that one had MIDI classical music.
Haha, yes. And Elite derived it from Space Odyssey. And Space Odyssey derived it from Werner Braun.
Joke's on you Thunder. I was already drunk when I donated to this campane!
Campane? What's that then? Some new type of camping gas? Or a transvestite mincing glass window panel?
CAMPAIGN (FFS...)
@@Deebz270 lol I must be drunk. What did you need an edit for?
Campayne
Fixed
@@eternaldarkness3139 Nope, Deebz Nuts up there was correct.
CAMPAIGN (FFS...)
@@alfakennywon
Nope. It's spelled facetious >:}
Thunderf00t is getting better and better in imitating sounds of people exposed to the harsh reality of the laws of physics! Dura lex, sed lex! ;)
Not gonna lie, my favorite part of Thunderfoot videos is watching CGI people die from bad science.
It took thousands of brilliant minds to get humans to space, now this one guy thinks he can do everything they couldn’t. These people don’t understand the sheer amount of knowledge that exists and how little of it a single person can command.
worse. They are envious of the knowledge and want to KILL people just to get paid in fame and cash.
EXACTLY TeeTeeNet!
_"...people don’t understand the sheer amount of knowledge that exists and how little of it a single person can command."_
When the cargo cult was mentioned my mind wondered off. Goodies fell from the sky and they thought to try and increase their chances by making their place, what they thought would be, more enticing to drop stuff on. They made a couple of understandable mistakes, like thinking they knew what made planes drop stuff and it was because it liked them, but the idea wasn't all that bad.
But if then more crates drop, will they consider that an effect of their efforts and high five each other, or thank the plane gods and perhaps sacrifice a teen's life to keep it happy because lots of people got sick from the shiny stones from the last drop? Will they ever realize how much _they_ themselves do and acknowledge that? Will they ever stop to think what they did and if they think they deserve or accomplished something or if their peers do or did?
When I eat bread, am I grateful? If so, to what or to whom, if anything or anyone? When theists give a prayer of gratitude for a meal, who do they thank? How did the meal get on the table? They asked Jesus and he poofed some? Or did they get it at a store. Is it a magic store god put there? Does god fill it every day?
But if you ask a non theist, in general you won't get much better answers. Food comes from the store, that's about it. People take it for granted and rarely if ever stop to think how the food got there and why it is there.
For us, it all starts with the sun, increasing entropy, making life and everything about it possible. But after that, it's a whole bunch of people, all doing their part, even if there's a god that created the Earth and the Sun.
But I don't see people shooting their money at the sun to pay it for their bread, but I do see people closing their eyes and telling their children to be grateful to an imagined source of all existence, encouraging them to overlook all the steps and people that are involved in between that and the meal.
People aren't encouraged often, if ever, to stop and think how they got where they are and that it might be a good thing to be grateful and to direct it at the people and things you can show to be responsible. And the more I think about it, the more I think it harmful to continue that neglect. I think we _should_ encourage each other to, every now and again think about how we got the comforts and medical and technological advancements and baffling crop yields, etc., etc. and celebrate it, maybe over a winter solstice, when the months are dark and cold in the northern hemisphere and billions of people feel like breaking that up with a party with loved ones, lots of food, presents to emphasize appreciation for each other and for the luxurious comforts that are a part of our growing societies, and lots of light of course, and warmth, maybe music for those who, like myself, are "warmed" by it.
I think that that is not a bad idea, to give back to the people what is theirs: their intuition to want to be together and remind ourselves that we inevitably rely on each other every fucking day, especially in the darkest days, and that we have the fullest right and perhaps even an obligation to people around the world and in our histories and futures to be grateful for that and to say it out loud and/or show our gratitude. To ceasar his tax money, to god his well earned middle finger, and to the people their freedom to celebrate what makes sense intuitively to celebrate.
Anyway, until that happens, I'll fucking drink to you, for my gratitude that you help spread something I find extremely important. I hope you have an amazing day and that your life will be filled with moments of happiness and moments of sharing happiness, and knowledge and all that jazz, of course, but to me they're just necessities to make us happy. And happiness is a necessity to keep our complex brains healthy and motivated, which are necessities for the sustainability of our existence, which I don't really give a crap about because why should I - it all leads me to be empathic and to aim to progress and be happy and I enjoy that :D So inevitably, I wish that on other people as well, so that I and everyone who exists after I die live in a world where those things are considered normal, healthy, and beneficial.
After all, the world I live in is the way it is because of the efforts of the people before me and evidently, many had similar ideas to mine and made my life pretty fucking awesome. I'm loved, I get the care I need, I have far more comforts I reasonably need and enjoy immensely, and above all I have the comfort of trust - I know that I don't have to worry about set backs, big or small, because there will always be kind, empathic, creative, and smart people with loads of knowledge and experience we can all fucking rely on because our species as a whole evolved that way. We're also not the only species that did and is successful because of it. Heck, even particles benefit from constructive interference. It's kind of a universal thing with analogies allover the fucking place.
Yet, billions of people are oblivious to it every fucking day. And as a result, people, like the people in the cargo cults, make the same mistakes over and over, where they misplace responsibilities, extrapolate wrongly to make predictions of what they need to do to get certain results, and billions of people are misguided, blinded, and hurt by it.
So, people, please, let's stop praising our gods and band together to actually look at what actually happens. Refuse to accept thinking errors and logical fallacies as excuses for views, opinions, and actions. We all deserve more. Even if I don't, you do and someone you love does and they deserve a far better world than we make it. For the love of all you love, do better, do good and learn and grow to have a better picture of what helps and what is good.
Two(approximately, depending on how much of it is a given to anyone else but me) things I learned that I think everyone should know and be aware of:
- _Knowledge is what gives the freedom to choose,_ without it there is no choice (and free will is not a requirement for any of this)
- _The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return_ - Nat King Cole
@@stylis666 you wanna have in depth discussions?
I mean this guy is a fraud but that's a weird take. Every single successful invention has previous failed attempts that came before it.
I.e. the falcon 9 rockets. They weren't the first attempt, but they were a wild success.
The guy has no proof, experience, or functional ideas. That's why it's a crackpot. We will have a rotational artificial gravity space station one day, and based on recent history it's probably going to be a private company that makes it happen first.
What I learned from this video: Thunderf00t would be fun to drink with.
He needs to play a little Kerbal Space Program. He'd learn more and would have a better idea of it works.
Idealy with rp1
Babylon 5 is awesome and is one of the first series that had a season long plot arc, something standard these days, back in 1994.
you may want to get the behind the scenes books that show how the season long plot arcs weren't as set in stone as people think. they abandoned a great deal from the pilot episode
@@toomanyaccounts The plot arcs were across seasons even.
Friends don't let friends even begin planning something like VERA.
Thank you for bringing back memories of Babylon 5. I was such a huge fan of the show and hadn't even thought about it for decades :)
its like a child thought of this, completely disregarding all the limitations of space travel. can you imagine how infinitely more expensive it would be to manufacture a space station in space as opposed to making it on earth and then just attaching the pieces
When my son was 4 (he is now 19), I said lets make a Space Shuttle, so using old milk bottles, cardboard and spray paint we started making the Shuttle, even then my son was asking simple questions that these sort of "investors" seem incapable of even thinking of.
I can't believe that some Guys at the movies were actually closer to inventing a Stargate than this guy is to build a Space Station. I mean....they had it right there. It was even spinning!
I love how some people wake up one day and think, "I'm going to be an engineer from today, and build stuff" like it was the most natural thing in the world. We see experienced engineers and scientist screw up monumentally sometimes. How the hell could someone without any formal training even start to anticipate the requirements an undertaking, like building things off-planet would entail?
I can't believe that I'm as far along with my plans of creating black hole based power generators for every home on the planetas these people! Progress truly is an amazing thing!
Pure genius. For a mere million dollars, he's going to launch his massive auto-welder machine into space where it can automagically assemble an entire space station out of Sketchfab prefab 3D models and then once he has his automated space station he's going to launch giant prefab steel plates for the automatic welder to weld together because that's how all of this works.
Especially for one million dollars. After all, Sketchfab models are free, and everybody knows that 3D models cost the same thing as real-world counterparts. Just ask Elon Musk! It's super easy!
Who the hell is dumb enough to think you can crowdfund a goddamn space station, and why are they allowed to reproduce?
"Who the hell is dumb enough to think you can crowdfund a goddamn space station" got me laughing hahaha
"why are they allowed to reproduce" because they are a human bioweapon. A DDOS. If they die out, the common people will realize they're being robbed by the elite and slay the elites next. But these idiots exist to worship the elite and act as their guards, while causing dissolution of any organized revolutions. They exist to keep human standards dirt-low. The ELITE. Are the ones who PAY for them to reproduce and replace 'smart' people. This is the real face of World war 3.
Aren't all government ventures, such as the International Space Station, crowd funded? Forcibly mind you... (Kidnapping and/or death for non-compliance)
@@lubricatedgoat very much so, but they have 100% participation rates (: and 90% of the money is laundered. I've seen NASA part quotes. They pay 5000$ for a block of aluminum that has basically 0 real cost. We're talking basic block for a hinge. Non-mission-critical. A hinge for an internal door.
@@dimitar4y A friend of mine worked on Blackhawk helicopters. He said that some components, such as a large titanium bolt, cost $10k.
That's why I consider the USA to be the greatest socialist country ever, since it's so good at redistributing wealth under threat of violence. Pity the wealth goes to the usual suspects.
Has Thunderf00t mentioned "Trillion" yet? they claim to have something like a water based additive that will give diesel more power and less carbon emissions.
That might make for a good Busted video.
Some dudes added lead to gasoline, made billions, and polluted the world with lead.
ruclips.net/video/051dwG8uqlE/видео.html link to “investor video”
Thunderf00t should read Dieselnet's article on water injection, "Water in Diesel Combustion". Water injection in Diesel engines is nothing new, and has been done with water-in-fuel emulsions, port injection, and direct injection for quite a while now.
Due to the large amounts of water required for a useful reduction in NOx and PM, and the impracticalities of filling up big water tanks on trucks, water injection is mostly a thing for marine engines in ships and generators. For road vehicles, a water-in-fuel emulsion would be the way to go. Trains _might_ be able to do this as well since weight is less of a concern with railway tank cars, although here in the US I really think the government should incentivise overhead electrification and conversion of road engines from Diesel to pantograph power.
@@electric7487 haha now go do a cost calc on electrifiying the common cargo routes of the us.
You have apparently no idea about all the other things you need besides endless amounts of cable, masts etc.
If that's the case, they need to start paying royalties to my friend who came up with this idea more than 2 decades ago.
Can you believe he was 7 at the time? What a brilliant mind!
Crazy that just going back on this video, Starship is already planning to launch IFT-5 starting to catch the booster with its chopsticks and the IFT-4 was a massive success with a ton of data.
The crushed fuel tube makes me think of the hyper loop. In literature this is called foreshadowing.
2:28 It is actually LISA or „Lets Invent Some Acronym“ as a joke about the ridiculous acronym that is Apple LISA.
I call it "the MUABA manœuvre", where MUABA (pronounced /muˈa.ba/) stands for Make Up Another Bullsh*t Acronym.
When you said take a shot/drink for every acronym my friends and I paused the video got ready and tried it. We thought they would be more SPACEd out or there would only be 4 or 5. Needless to say we all vomited. Luckily we were all outside watching this video on a cheap projector displayed on the garage door with a Mackie Thump Go speaker for sound. It's probably a good thing all 5 of us vomited because after 8, 9, or 10 shots we'd all be regretting it tomorrow. We'll still probably regret it though but thanks for the content.
Man i love Babylon 5. I just rewatched it when the remastered version came out. Full HD on the parts that don't have any CGI. I remember years ago trying to copy one of the babylon shuttles in the 3D modeling software Lightwave as it was the same program the show used. Must have taken them so long to make the station.
5:10 The disembarkation gave me a good chuckle.
2001: A Space Odyssey had the partial-g docking procedure into a space station down pat 53 years ago. Give or take how much room they thought would be devoted to moving space ships from the docking platform to an inbuilt garage for dozens of spaceships.
love the Fawlty Towers drop!
need more of those.
kheee!
Two things I always had problems with in school were chemistry and physics. But even I can identify tonns of problems with this designes.
Glad to see Common sense Sceptic get a shout out. Their channel has so many videos exposing Musk and other Frauds
@@EternalGaze8 I swear you guys are worse than Jordan Peterson fans.
@@EternalGaze8 Just a heads up, you might want to check out videos addressing of all the fallacies people who make videos pointing out CSS and Thunderfoot's fallacies, perform when addressing his CSS and Thunderfoot's addresses of Elon's space claims....
@@EternalGaze8 is my point?
@@EternalGaze8 you can google and find almost any evidence to confirm any bias these days... flat earth anyone?
@@EternalGaze8 The most egregious mistake I'm aware of them making is taking the engineer's words about the cost of launching with spaceX out of context (the actually went down slightly when you consider that he's launching to a much higher energy orbit) which is a problem but not the greatest sin ever considering that spaceX is charging 20x what they said a falcon 9 launch was eventually going to cost. Being off by a factor of less than 2 versus a factor of 20...
But if you have something else be specific. Just sending us on a wild goose chase isn't very productive.
1 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS (criminally undersubscribed) and counting... Keep up with the good work.
I have an old Etch A Sketch & VHS video camera up in the loft so 'am available to do their graphics if they like. In fact the Etch A Sketch is ideal for their design as I can only do straight lines on it too.
Wow, I've seen some dumb pitches in my time, but this is even worse than the one I had with a friends 8 year old about how he was going to construct his underground base. At least he had a spade.
Loved the passengers falling out of the shuttle at the end, their pitiful cries had me giggling into my mug of tea.
Not sure why Elon hasn't swooped this guy up.
In the animation where a shuttle is docked and people are walking (not floating) out in a tunnel, it’s presumably under acceleration with the stars moving in a hr background. If that’s the orientation, the people are walking down the wall because the acceleration vector points toward the center of rotation. The correct perspective from that view would be an overhead shot looking “down” not sideways.
You could put people in a tube. Tell them they're going to space. But put them in a container in Antarctica with screens and Pocket their money.
it’s called Disney’s Galactic Starcruiser
Hmmm.... The tubes would need to be really well insulated and heated and then what about GRAVITY... Antarctica does conform to the effects of gravity, being a continent on Earth.
Making your space station that's never gonna happen dependant on a spaceship that's never gonna happen is actually genius.
Yeah the whole project cancels itself out.
When Starship flies, I will expect a full apology from you. Or it will be wet noodles at 20 paces for you!
Excellent video, loved the Babylon 5 reference,,keep up the good work.
It reminds of the Centauri meeting the humans the first time and telling them how the galaxy works and the Centauri's accomplishments.
I love how this guy acts like an engineer, but seems to know little about engineering and physics. That title is earned, not given. I laughed the first time I watched this because I could have designed it better 20 years ago in my first year as an engineering student. I applaud him for dreaming big, but there are so many hurdles to overcome to do this. The power generation to construct this would be quite vast and require ridiculous amounts of solar panels alone. Even with 100 starships feeding this thing materials nonstop, it would still take insane amounts of resource and time to complete. A six month timeframe is a bit laughable, if this thing was constructed over 10-20 years it would still be impressive. He really needs to start much smaller and buildup some credibility, then expand as technology and resources improve. As they say, Rome wasn't built in a day (or six months....). I think his heart is in the right place, but I doubt this will ever go past CGI and dreaming unless some major powers at be decide it needs to be done. Please don't send him money (PDSHM).
The entire project is a scam. And this won't go past CGI because of the issues with operating a "coriolis" type station in space. The idea has been around for over 60 years, yet there are reasons no country has attempted to build one.
I applaud animal rights vegetarian groups and antinatalist groups for dreaming big, but also taking practical action to maximize their cause. I applaud age-reversing technologists like Aubrey de Grey for thinking big. I applaud Green Party and Transhumanist Party and Marxist /Socialist Party leaders for thinking and acting big. I applaud Ralph Nader for thinking big: going for the White House.
"He really needs to start much smaller and buildup some credibility"
In that case people wouldn't have given him more than 1 million and I have a strong feeling that's his whole point...
@@Limpi43 For note, 1 million does not cover even *one* launch with a small satellite. It is impossible to even *start* this project with this small budget. 1 billion could be potentially something for a small start. ISS cost some 100-150 billion depending on whom you ask.
If one is running a scam or even delusional then none of the sensible stuff you suggested matters to them. Also $1 million for free from imbeciles.
That's hysterical that Neil deGrasse Tyson bought into that. That guy has lost so much credibility and respect over the years.
I think he was just doing it for the pay.... He'd know this was a totally assinine notion from the start.
NDGT has quite a cynical side to him.
@@Deebz270 he’s an astrophysicist. TF is frequently wrong when he delves beyond his expertise.
@@Deebz270 Nah. He was totally on board with it. Go watch some of the videos. He's really, really big on colonizing and exploring space. Tyson was a total shill. Even if he wasn't, he still discredits himself by taking money and peddling things he knows are false.
I thought he was making fun of it!
@@markweatherill Nah, he was laughing along with Colbert who was jabbing at it since that's his job, buuuut.... ruclips.net/video/v9IztZpE0Lo/видео.html Tyson is a pretty dogmatic and partisan, including being on the wrong side of COVID when he was following "the science" and not the science. There's no doubt he knows astrophysics like few others, but he quickly gets over his head when he takes on things outside his wheelhouse. It's the hubris of smart people which makes them especially susceptible to the Dunning-Kruger effect.
That guy definitely created an ARE, that is an Acronym Rich Environment.
This guy is like Super Musk.
This guy basically wants to build the "Magallanica" from Gundam. A machine that builds space colonies.
Really, if you read the one paragraph of info about it on the Gundam wiki, it's more well thought out than this thing.
Actually, the machine he is claiming to have 'designed' is based on the Japanese method of building skyscrapers - they build the top floor first and keep jacking it up, so material never needs to be moved upward - all the work is done at ground level. But the machines required for moving everything around (and up) remind me a LOT of what this guy is talking about - look up a video. This is just some basic, factory-level robotics you can see almost anywhere.
To build and maintain a torus or o'neill cylinder type space station big enough for the artificial gravity effect to be practical would require the resources of a post-scarcity, almost type-II civilization. It just doesn't make any sense from a mass/payload perspective.
What would make sense is a rotating tether with a habitat attached to one end and an equipment/service module attached the other, each rotating around a common center of gravity. A fraction of the mass for the same effect and you could increase the length of the tether, and hence the radius of the rotation, to achieve Earth-like gravity at both ends without the need to build a MASSIVE ring.
I am always impressed by these cons.
Regardless of how easily transparent their deception is, provided that appearances conforms with the prevalent fantasies of the intended marks, they always manage to fundraise successfully. The "Star War" initiative, in Reagan times, is perhaps the model used by the various Sci-fi vapourware sellers we have seen since.
There is a point when one should ask oneself if depriving fools of their hard-earned or otherwise accumulated resources would not, at the end, be of benefit to all because con artists are (hopefully) themselves generally less prone to fall for others of their kind.
Crazy dictators start their career by peddling, in different guises, to the same audiences...
So Russia said, well we can't make a space defense system, I guess just make a hypersonic cruise missile that is hard to defend against.
I'm an aerospace engineer and did my degree during the Reagan "Star Wars" era. Its hard to describe the way money was being spent other than bonkers.
In my final year when we did a couple of high level classes that also had post grad students in them a couple of those guys were SW funded. As they were postgrads they also had to do term papers and presentations. One class I did was space craft dynamics (damn seriously hard stuff) but the post grad guys did some amazing stuff. One guy was doing the dynamics of rail guns (this was 86/87) and another focusing mirror systems for laser batteries.
It was fairly obvious that most of it was bonkers but the money was being delivered by dump truck. But then the Soviets crashed in 88/89 and the whole show vanished. At one point my academic advisor called it "damn peace" because all of his funding had vanished. What people had failed to realise was Reagan spent about 20 years of research funding in about 4 years.
But it did scare Moscow enough that they also went on a spending spree and it was what ended up bankrupting them which effectively ended the cold war.
@@superchuck3259 Yeah you are partly right, but the Russians developed that stuff well after Reagans Star Wars had ended. But a couple of things did come out of Star Wars like the Patriot anti-missile system.
The Russian response is the Kh-47M2 Kinzhal which we've seen in Ukraine. The Russians are sort of lucky. They already had the Mig-31 which can not only fly very high (up to 70,000ft) but also very fast when its up that high (M2.8). How high they are for launch is unknown. Higher means less air density which means less drag. Altitude also helps getting up to those speeds as you are going downhill.
Irrespective of everything at those speeds its bound to have serious ground & bunker penetration.
Its pretty simple what the Russians did. Make seriously fast air to surface missile that's damn hard to respond to. Just don't be surprised there's stuff in the sales pitch that's not true.
"they always manage to fundraise successfully" - because it's always about money laundry
@@tonywilson4713 Wrong.
Continuous welds have a tendency to crack when the body they are on have a tendency to flex. Stitch welding is quite common.
Why even weld... You could easily just use mechsnicsl connectors.
Unless one is dealing with extreme pressures. Eg; Stich-welding the stern shaft gland of a submarine would be rather silly.
Well space stations also have a serious problem in that they go through night and day cycles dozens of times a day... that heats and cools structures to a point where right now the ISS is likely partially held together with bubblegum and superglue. So forget about flexing... just hot and cold will result in microfractures.
His tourist builder looks exactly like the citadel for mass effect 1 a Xbox 360 game from 2007
What we do need is a space elevator equivalent. Fighting the atmosphere is ~90% of the energy cost of launching a rocket, with the destruction of the segments being ~40% of the total monetary cost and the other 60% being the fuel.
I like the idea of a kilometers long rail gun with the muzzle at high altitude. That could save maybe 2/3 of the launch cost. It would be safer and much more practicle than the Yeetmeister 9000 that is the so-called Spin Launch system.
6:22 so for a decade John has been designing stuff for space? Guess what! Me to! I've been sensible to keep my designs on paper or in Kerbal or other games because that's easier and space is very hard.
It is common to weld like that when the stress isn't a problem or in tension, not in compression where wight is an issue.
The guy spent more time on acronyms than his concepts. He's going to build a space station the same way Ironman's suit appears out of nowhere: CGI magic.
Calling all CG artists, quit your jobs and come work for free!!!
you can tell he's doing that theranos strat where you make your voice deeper in an attempt to seem more trustworthy
7:06 Holy sh1t, I literally live in that area and I just shipped something at this very UPS store a couple days ago. Small world!
Can you confirm if that PO box is like a multi dimensional space that can fit a whole universe inside or at least a space rocket? I want to invest in his company but I'm afraid it's a scam.
Man, you're one step from space, you should take a chance)
@@EduardoVidalSalgadoFajardo I can confirm, it be wide and big as hell in there. Didn't know there was such innovation going on here!
@@AngryOwl007 thnx, I'll be shoving all of my money there.
Tardis PO box
I was crying with laughter when I first saw the Gateway video a week ago. This has just made me spit my beer out! 😂😂 Love graphic of the PAX leaving the shuttle and tumbling into the space station.